Hydro Cronus I bought my first mk4 on friday ( washed it twice in 4 days,lol). I’ve never done that before and I’ve owned somewhere in the 200 range of vehicles. Now I’m looking for a second for my wife.
Im thinking about buying one. Put in a few inquiries with private sellers. I am beyond ecstatic. Im going from a 2007 automatic vw rabbit to a MKIV R32. Big upgrade.
Great video. I've got a DSG Mk5 on a 57-plate (Jan '08), with just over 67k miles and it still feels brand new. I had it on a dyno recently and it's still kicking out 247bhp. Granted, the road tax is ridiculously expensive, but it puts a smile on my face every time I take it out. And if you like cars, the smile factor is something you just can't put a price on.
Lucky guy always fancied a r32 but put off with running costs like the look of mk 4 I've got 2 lupos one a GTI similar styling which one would u recommend
It's a personal thing. I like the Mk4 but think it is square, bland & of a time when German cars were boxy & uninspired looking whereas the Mk5 for me has more classic lines & is a much more sophisticated, complete looking machine. I think the Mk5 is the ultimate Golf. Beauty & brawn. Regardless of the shape it takes having that VR6 sound in your life makes for a better day.
I grew up obsessed with r32s. I've owned two mk5s, manual and DSG. Started a new job travelling 400 miles a week and had to sell. I look forward to buying my third in the future. Brilliant video, thanks.
@@Benjonno2011 Im in Canada and thnking about importing a LHD 6Spd vr6.. but the money I can save and dump into one not imported is also tempting. VR-T is the goal. I have a 337 whp MK5 GTI now and she boogies but I LOVE the sound of a VR6T.
Hi Brandon, thanks for commenting. Things have changed a lot since that video was made and I was still learning the ropes with poor equipment so hopefully the later videos are a little more balanced in their production.
I was one of the very first people in the U.K. to drive the MK4 R32, I worked in the fleet department at Warrington VW, we had 2 allocations and I sold one to a leasing company in Wigan, I drove it over there on trade plates, everybody was waiting and asking what it was like when I got back.
That's very kind of you, thank you. Hopefully the content will bring the subscribers. Editing is definitely a skill I am getting better with over time - made sure this one wasn't rushed so glad you noticed, thanks again!
volkswizard what editing software do you use? Looks great. I'm thinking about having a go at car vlogging/reviews although I'm not sure anyone will want to see a video on my 7 year old Corsa! Ha
I use Adobe Premiere Elements which cost around £50 and was a massive improvement from Windows Movie Maker! Professionals use Premiere Pro but Elements does all I need for the moment. Start with your Corsa and see how you get on, I am sure there are loads of people who'd love to have a 7 year old Corsa if they've just started driving, everything has an audience so get filming! GoPro Hero 4 is really good too, I tried Sony before as cheaper and Shmee seems to like them but GoPro is like an Iphone, top quality and easy to use.
That's a fair point so thanks for pointing it out, I will make a special effort to make the level consistent, I am not sure why the start of the R32 one is so loud, so apologies about that.
Great video. I'm looking to get back into a mk5 DSG R32. I owned one a few years ago and loved it. They do get under your skin. And there is no other car like it in the hatchback market. Plus I want a v6 in a hatchback before we are all forced into 1.6 and 2.0 turbos lol. The video was very helpful for new buyers and old owners alike. Thanks
Thanks Matt, yes worth buying a good one now before they are all gone. Just beware of wing rust and jerky gearboxes if DSG. Otherwise they are tough cars and a sound investment :)
volkswizard yes my old one had the dreaded rusty wings. Didn't cost too much to sort out though and the dsg mechatronic can be repaired now for under £1k usually. As you said in the video those small faults would cost far less than the depreciation on a new Golf R. Plus the new Golf R sounds like a vacuum cleaner by comparison lol
Love your unbias reviews! Great comparison between these two beauties. MK4 is becoming very sought after here in New Zealand and prices a heading upwards. MK5 is my personal favorite here.
Just got me the MK5 R32 and it's awesome. Don't regret it at all. She had much lower km's then the MK4's that were for sale in NZ and almost the same prices too. It's really comfortable and has a great sound and you can go from casual to fast real quick :)
Excellent informative video, I own a cherished UK 04 plate Audi 3.2 DSG and I always liked the understatement of it compared to the R32 Golfs. My previous car was the Golf 4 V6 4Motion, it made a good noise too! V6 all the way, I am a purist, no turbo-charging, naturally aspirated all day long. Ace video.
I had a mk5 1.9 tdi for 6 years. The best car I ever had. No problems what so ever. My dream was an R32 Mk 5, but here in Belgium the taxes are very high for engines above 2.0 litre.
Mk4 every time. I remember when I had my 25th Anniversary on order, the R32 was released and I was so close to cancelling my order and changing to the R32. 19 years on, I still have the Anni...but the R32 love is still there. Never had one, would still love one dearly.
Great Review and I love seeing my R32 brethren from across the pond. I love my MK4 R32. Much more Raw of a vehicle! To me the MK5 R32 is so much refined, smooth, but yet still quick!! Both motors were putting out 250hp.
Daumex the MK4 R32 on paper was 240hp. But. It had the same exact motor as the MK1 Audi TT 3.2 at 250 hp. VW/Audi. Did this for marketing reason. They were afraid (at the time) that customers would not purchase the Audi TT3.2 if the R32 had same Horsepower as the Audi. Both motors from that generation are identical down to bore and stroke and compression!
@@maveric0738 It was the U.S./North American version of the MKIV R32 that had the same motor as the MK1 TT 3.2. In other markets (Europe, UK) the MKIV R32 made 240hp. VWoA wasn't sure the R32 was going to sell over here what with it being $27-29,000, and the original 5000 allotment was to be spread over two years. For this reason they wanted to spend as little money as possible, so instead of certifying 2 versions of the 3.2L VR6 for the U.S. market, they just did the one in the Audi TT, as it wasn't a limited run of units and the higher price ($40,000+) and longer availability (04-06 in the U.S.) of the TT 3.2s absorbed that cost easier. To appease the TT customer, it was available only with DSG and advertised with 250hp while the R32 stuck with the 6 speed manual and claimed 240hp.
Awesome review! I agree I MKIV is just that much better looking, whilst the MKV is not but drives better, which is why I ended up getting an Audi A3 3.2 for my DD.
I had a Golf MK5 R32 for 4 years and it was a very nice car to drive. Also was te car very reliable, I have driven 80000km with no major issues. But I trade my MK5 R32 for a MK4 R32 now. The Mk4 R32 is indeed outdated but you can drive it with more passion. Also the mechanical steering rack is so much nicer! It's indeed difficult to compare them but if want to drive it every day the MK5 is the winner. If you want more connection with te road the MK4 is the winner. Also the limit production of the MK4 make it more special to drive ;-)
I selled my MK5 R32 and bought an MK7 but 1 Year later Isaw a wonderful MK4 R32 with 50000km. 1 Owner fully loaded and now in the Garage is still the Beauty and wait until every Summer to make RRRRRRRRRR on the streets. But i never forget my MK 5 R32 DBP ,I drove him 3 whole Years from 28k km to 58k km, and his electronic Leather Recaro Seats. And I never forget the people who said the MK5 isnt the real R32. Both R32 are special for every Owner. I never sell 2nd time a R32 ^^. Thx Mr_Archer I totally agree too.
I actually don't hate the mk5 look (I had the GTI and Jetta), but the mk4 is so much more special inside and out. Plus here in the US the mk5 did not come in manual, so mk4 all day long!
The Mk5 was also noticeably faster, you look at the speedo and it's a good 10mph faster than the Mk4 on same road because it's so much happier riding the bumps.
The mk5 golf r32 is faster than its mk4 equivelent for my money, both in reality and in testing (like the top gear test track for example shows both times from both marques) due to dsg and other handling factors besides. But you dont buy a Golf R32 for a fast car, its not the fastest of its type out there by far. That heavy engine up front on the mk4 and mk5, the heavy wheels, heavy brakes = understeer with aggressive driving styles and is hard to scrub off that speed without brake fade (as i found out on a trackday). You buy it for a refined quick-enough convenient car that sounds something special under load. A drop the kids off mobile that then turns into dad or mums plaything :) You mentioned the Ferrrari/Golf r32 sound comparision Volkswizard hehe :) just if your curious check my channel as there is a vid i uploaded of me in my R32 behind a 458 Italia in convoy, id say he had the full orchestra, i had the 4 band quartet lol, but still we did make a glorious sound together when it bounced off walls.
One of the best videos watched about R32s...! Massive thumbs up from Greece! I personally love the MK4..its my dream car and the one i am working to buy.
I Love my MK4 R32 with DSG.....I've fitted it with complet Miltek decat exhaust system (sounds wonderful), and intake system, and Revo stage 2 mapping. It now makes 265 Hk / 340 NM. They are both wonderful cars, but the MK4 is the one i always dreamed off, and i will always prefer the MK4 ! I would never trade my MK4 for the MK5 ;)
Glad you enjoyed it! Younger viewer may not remember how desirable the Mk3 VR6 was back in the day, it had all the buzz of the Mk7 R but it wasn't available on cheap deals so you had to work to achieve your dream of owning one. Probably the most dangerous car I've ever owned as the engine was amazing but the standard suspension was somewhat unstable as it wasn't really a sporty car, Corrado was much better set up but both great.
Love my MK5 R32. Owned it since 2015. Currently sitting at 93000 Miles. Putting in 3-5K on cosmetic repairs, mostly paint stuff from rust, headliner, and the trim around the gear, and getting new Timing Chains put in at 100,000 Miles.
What a lovely engine. Previous owner of a 2.8 v6 4 motion. Only car I’ve sold for more than I bought it for. Any golf with a v6 will follow the Corrado
regarding the jerkiness of the throttle. You can alter that since it has an electronic throttle body actuator. So it shouldn't be a problem to remap the throttle.
Really good review thank you (and answers just the question I've been pondering). Just bought a Mk5 R32, you've touched on most of the things I love about it in your video... it's relaxed and practical, and a lot of fun to drive. The Mk4 looks superb, just not as balanced a vehicle. I like that you mention your age... I'm 39 and really enjoying the Mk5, but can see myself being a staunch Mk4 enthusiast 10 years ago.
Brilliant video I own a mk4 golf r32 its a joy to drive but I'm looking at getting a mk5 golf r32 so this video is just what I'm looking for. Glad I found your channel, keep up the good work.
Thanks for the video! I'm considering a mk5 r32 vs Passat cc 3.6. Different cars I know, but the CC is so much car for the money!! I've really enjoyed my current VW 4motion 2.8 VR6 golf
Thanks for watching the video! I'd forgotten about Passat CC 3.6 (Passat R36 is more well known but still under most peoples' radar), CC sounds great go for it!
volkswizard Do you have any thoughts regarding the CC, as compared to the r32? I'm a little apprehensive about the CC, but it is a lot of car (especially being more modern). Very interesting you suggested the MK5 r32 was comparable to a MK7 Golf - that they'd barely improved upon it in the 10 years of development since.
CC is a good car, a lot more low profile than an R32 so for many it wont be an alternative as it's not an R32 even though engine is similar. Depends on your perspective, as I am getting older one day soon I will look silly even in a Mk5 R32 so a more mature car with similar character will be welcome. Bare in mind Passat/CC is just a lengthened Mk5/6 Golf so not a significantly different car, electric parking brake will be the most obvious difference.
Brilliant review and I absolutely love these cars. Personally for me aesthetically the Mk4 is the better looking car, rounded, smoother curves and more aggressive looking. I think the tail pipes on each corner sets it apart from the mk5, again down to aesthetics. But like the review the auto/dsg box on the mk4 isn’t as smooth. The Mk5 has better handling, smoother gearbox and has some better equipment. Either way, both awesome cars!
1stly want to say great video, enjoyed the informative structure, stumbled onto ur video a day ago. I live in south africa and unfortunately we never got the mk iv r32 here so we got deprived of the raw experience. I purchased my mk5 r32 about 2months ago and must say after owning 5 vw cars and having the pleasure of driving in most of the gti models up to mk7 gti this is the first car where I could not stop smiling after driving it every time. Although 10yrs old I must say I can find relevance in ur comment about the mk5 r32 being close to the mk7. Yes its newer car but it will never have that special flair of the n/a v6 engin. Altho its just as expensive in our country to maintain I doubt il ever let go of my r32. Thnx so much. Best of luck with ur channel. U got a new sub.
volkswizard hi sir. I had the 4 gti for a long time. Bloody good car. Not the faster or the sharpest. Covered over 550kms on the original engine then sold it. Now still with my mk5 already 177k miles on it UK car in manual. Dsg no fun
volkswizard Thank you sir. Most of it town driving. Followed your articles since mk2 days. I still have my mk2 gti uk car G reg. Getting another L reg 1991 16v four door. Very few here
Nice comparison Andrew - thanks for making the video. Always liked both R32's and learnt a lot of the smaller details from this video. Only thing putting me off on the MK5 is the high running costs. Petrol isn't cheap and road tax is in the highest band > £520! (and no doubt it will keep going up every few years). I think this is the last chance to enjoy and run these NA higher output engines though before everything gets taxed to death by the government! Wish they still made a 6 cylinder Golf - the one thing that the BMW 1 series still has going for it.
Some early cars are still £305 road tax (pre March 2006) but I agree £500+ is silly but they aren't losing money at the moment so in the bigger picture they aren't expensive to own as depreciation is one of the bigger costs of motoring
Can't agree more on the road tax, it's not so bad on the mk4 but it's a bit over the top for mk5. Also, don't be put off by fuel cost it's not actually that bad you'll be surprised if you drive on motorways, that said, it does go down quickly if you drive around town revving the arse off it, but it's all how you drive it.
Going down a rabbit hole now… jumped here after deciding I ‘need’ a charismatic manual golf, inspired by your CSS Brecon video! Remembered this video on this beautiful mk4 R32… 7:47 what did you call them?!? I misheard something very different😂
I did comment recently on your GTI video and loved it a lot. This video is a step up. Again loved the review. GTI or R32? Reliability is my main concern for both. What's your take on this?
Thanks Graham! Hmm R32 is simple with no turbo but timing chain replacement is an issue now. With GTI £350 cambelt change and you are good as new. If you can get an R32 with a new timing chain than not much else to worry about even as it ages which on GTI, all those hoses, sensors, etc are getting old now. Having said that never heard of a Mk5 GTI needing a turbo - let's call it a draw!
Mk4 is more fun their much better with a few mods👌as it looks standard in video and mk4s worth a lot more money than mk5s as not many left on the road👍cool vid tho😎
I’ve been lucky to drive a few Golf Mk5 R32’s and own a R32 Mk4, As a daily driver the Mk5 is better too drive as less harsh but the Mk4 is awesome for a country road blat! And the Konig seats 😎
Never drove a Mk5 however I prefer the understated look of the Mk4 in comparison to the Mk5, bit too many shiney bits for me. I only gave mine up because of the rising insurance and Road Fund Licence. Definitely a car to measured in smiles per gallon and not miles.
MK4 is a future classic. I don't think the value will ever die down and the design is timeless. MK5 has better build quality and ride quality, and will beat the MK4 around a track.
MK5 R32 for me : more modern, more comfortable, better interior, faster (especially with the brilliant DSG), better sound (stock), better balanced... the last VR6 Golf, ever.
Sorry but the MK5 R32 here in the United States was not any faster than the MK4 R32. In fact the MK4 had exactly/ identical engine than that of its brother MK1 Audi TT 3.2. U.S. spec R32's MAF is larger diameter ( 3" ID versus 2.75") and Airbox is different.
stevesje71, People aren't referring to which car rattles more when they say the MKIV R32's interior is better, a newer designed car should have better build quality from the get go and is younger overall. Heck I didn't think my 02 337 had any creaks or rattles, but when I got my 04 R32 (had both for 3 months) I could hear the creaks in the 337 when the new R32 had none. 14 years later I definitely hear the creaks and rattles in the R32 ;). People are referring to the what the interior was equipped with. It's going to depend on the market you are in, but in the U.S. like every other region the MKIV R32 got the meaty steering wheel and the Konig seats, these features set it apart from the MKIV GTI, even the 337 and 20th Anniversary Edition, which had their own special interior. The MKV R32 in the U.S. did not get anything special to differentiate its interior from that of a GTI. The steering wheel was the same, just swapped the GTI badge for the R. The lovely Recaros featured in the MKV R32 in this video were not offered as an option in the U.S.( they didn't have side airbags...that didn't stop some people from importing them on their own though).
Nice job mate, Very well done all round 👍🏾 even my 1.6 mk5 was proud. Only thing I didn't like is the new gearbox it's gotta be fully manual for me personally. I would still drive it no problem..
G60 Rallye video is not impossible as James Stephens's great example is available to me as he loves showing if off. I'd love to do a normal G60 and I've had very little exposure to RS2 but hopefully one day!
Durable cars were made from VW between 1998-2004 year. Golf V is victim of downsizing where economical and ecological aspects made it's scars. MKIV is a solid car with dashboard from soft leather imitation , this is better than hard platic used in GolfV. For me is Golf IV car where investing pais off.
I just got a mk4 2.0 I know 2.slow what ever but it completely stripped almost at 2500lbs and stage 2 tune and going to get a cam for it so going to push 160hp in the 2.0 and I tell you then engine has torque spins the tires in 2nd gear for a n/a 2.0 pushing 160 pulls hard.
I certainly hope that it is better then the mk4. What would be its purpose otherwise... I do however favor the mk4´s in/exterior. And since the engine is basically the same, it really comes down to the looks.
Hey Does anyone knows what music this is , like thé song , i really do , and yess there both great Cars , have doubts about this of thé old Audi S2 5 cil though
IMO, Comparing two generations of golfs with different transmission ans quite same engine does not help to answer the question, which is best ? It will be nice to have both in manual or both in dsg .
I have a standard mk6 golf 1.6 but I have been wanting a mk5 GTI for a long time and not sure what to look for as there is lots of crap out their and don't want to waste my money.
Sadly easy to buy a bad one, in fact they have never been easy because a lot of first owners were hard on them. Mechanically it can all be fixed and isn't too dear unless you are unlucky but rust is now biting a lot of them and hard
@@volkswizard hmmmm...thanks,that's really sad I have always wanted one too...I'm now going to move on sadly to something else frankly I have honestly been put off it buy all the videos I have watched...again Thank you,you have been very helpful and your videos have saved me much pain and money I think
Awesome video, I have both and 100% agree with the every little part of this
Just bought a mk5 r32 last month. Love it so much. Flapper mod just done on the exhaust and omg best noise ever
Recently bought a mk4 r32 and Im in love with her. Say what you will, but those cars drive and sound like no other. Raw and unfiltered.
Hydro Cronus I bought my first mk4 on friday ( washed it twice in 4 days,lol). I’ve never done that before and I’ve owned somewhere in the 200 range of vehicles. Now I’m looking for a second for my wife.
Literally just bought myself one too about a 2 weeks or so. Just absolutely love it!!
Im thinking about buying one. Put in a few inquiries with private sellers. I am beyond ecstatic. Im going from a 2007 automatic vw rabbit to a MKIV R32. Big upgrade.
@@MrMatt8478 I washed my mk4 R32 6 times in one week once.
Watching this makes me miss my old MK4 R, never ever had the radio on! The exhaust note was all I needed, great car..
but the Radio is fine and better than Dynaudio
Mk4 R32 for me, the way it sits on those wheels it just looks fabulous
Great video. I've got a DSG Mk5 on a 57-plate (Jan '08), with just over 67k miles and it still feels brand new. I had it on a dyno recently and it's still kicking out 247bhp. Granted, the road tax is ridiculously expensive, but it puts a smile on my face every time I take it out. And if you like cars, the smile factor is something you just can't put a price on.
2005 mk5 r32 is best for road tax.
haha I've owned two r32's both mk5 06' I've always said … " I pay for smiles, not the miles." xD
The old one is a bit more classy looking.
definitely has more of a motorsport look as well.
Lucky guy always fancied a r32 but put off with running costs like the look of mk 4 I've got 2 lupos one a GTI similar styling which one would u recommend
If the mk4 isn’t a future classic I don’t know what is
Factory exhaust is so tame though!
@@JP-cu2gm It is already. Prices are already silly now.
much prefer the mk4 r32 over the 5...
It's a personal thing. I like the Mk4 but think it is square, bland & of a time when German cars were boxy & uninspired looking whereas the Mk5 for me has more classic lines & is a much more sophisticated, complete looking machine. I think the Mk5 is the ultimate Golf. Beauty & brawn. Regardless of the shape it takes having that VR6 sound in your life makes for a better day.
@@dalemclachlan lmao is that sarcasm? mk5 is THE uglly duck from all golfs
I grew up obsessed with r32s. I've owned two mk5s, manual and DSG. Started a new job travelling 400 miles a week and had to sell.
I look forward to buying my third in the future.
Brilliant video, thanks.
Did you ever buy your third and if yes, what did you go, manual or dsg?
@@Sma11time. I did buy a third, however it was a DSG 2016 Golf R. Beautiful but sadly no longer have that
@@Benjonno2011 Im in Canada and thnking about importing a LHD 6Spd vr6.. but the money I can save and dump into one not imported is also tempting. VR-T is the goal. I have a 337 whp MK5 GTI now and she boogies but I LOVE the sound of a VR6T.
@@Sma11time. Yes you cannot beat the Vr6 mate
*loud techno intro!!!*
\whispers "hello, guys..."
Hi Brandon, thanks for commenting. Things have changed a lot since that video was made and I was still learning the ropes with poor equipment so hopefully the later videos are a little more balanced in their production.
Techno? 😂
That's jazz, idiot.
I was one of the very first people in the U.K. to drive the MK4 R32, I worked in the fleet department at Warrington VW, we had 2 allocations and I sold one to a leasing company in Wigan, I drove it over there on trade plates, everybody was waiting and asking what it was like when I got back.
"Without much further ado" Another quid in my savings jar, cheers Andrew. 👍😉
I can't understand how you don't have more subscribers. Your content is top notch and the editing gets better each new video. Keep it going fella
That's very kind of you, thank you. Hopefully the content will bring the subscribers. Editing is definitely a skill I am getting better with over time - made sure this one wasn't rushed so glad you noticed, thanks again!
volkswizard what editing software do you use? Looks great. I'm thinking about having a go at car vlogging/reviews although I'm not sure anyone will want to see a video on my 7 year old Corsa! Ha
I use Adobe Premiere Elements which cost around £50 and was a massive improvement from Windows Movie Maker! Professionals use Premiere Pro but Elements does all I need for the moment. Start with your Corsa and see how you get on, I am sure there are loads of people who'd love to have a 7 year old Corsa if they've just started driving, everything has an audience so get filming! GoPro Hero 4 is really good too, I tried Sony before as cheaper and Shmee seems to like them but GoPro is like an Iphone, top quality and easy to use.
Maybe because the sound is much too loud
That's a fair point so thanks for pointing it out, I will make a special effort to make the level consistent, I am not sure why the start of the R32 one is so loud, so apologies about that.
Great video. I'm looking to get back into a mk5 DSG R32. I owned one a few years ago and loved it. They do get under your skin. And there is no other car like it in the hatchback market. Plus I want a v6 in a hatchback before we are all forced into 1.6 and 2.0 turbos lol. The video was very helpful for new buyers and old owners alike. Thanks
Thanks Matt, yes worth buying a good one now before they are all gone. Just beware of wing rust and jerky gearboxes if DSG. Otherwise they are tough cars and a sound investment :)
volkswizard yes my old one had the dreaded rusty wings. Didn't cost too much to sort out though and the dsg mechatronic can be repaired now for under £1k usually. As you said in the video those small faults would cost far less than the depreciation on a new Golf R. Plus the new Golf R sounds like a vacuum cleaner by comparison lol
opel astra h opc no worse :)
Love your unbias reviews! Great comparison between these two beauties. MK4 is becoming very sought after here in New Zealand and prices a heading upwards. MK5 is my personal favorite here.
Just got me the MK5 R32 and it's awesome. Don't regret it at all. She had much lower km's then the MK4's that were for sale in NZ and almost the same prices too. It's really comfortable and has a great sound and you can go from casual to fast real quick :)
@@LowPockets8619 I wish there were more manual ones here 😩
Excellent informative video, I own a cherished UK 04 plate Audi 3.2 DSG and I always liked the understatement of it compared to the R32 Golfs. My previous car was the Golf 4 V6 4Motion, it made a good noise too! V6 all the way, I am a purist, no turbo-charging, naturally aspirated all day long. Ace video.
I own a mk4 and I love it, passed its last MOT with no minors doing good for a 15 year old car! 110k on the clock.
Mk4s are extremely well built, I run a Bora TDI daily and it's rock solid still.
110k on that car is nothing
I had a mk5 1.9 tdi for 6 years. The best car I ever had. No problems what so ever. My dream was an R32 Mk 5, but here in Belgium the taxes are very high for engines above 2.0 litre.
Fuck België en die sossentaxen
Mk4 every time. I remember when I had my 25th Anniversary on order, the R32 was released and I was so close to cancelling my order and changing to the R32. 19 years on, I still have the Anni...but the R32 love is still there. Never had one, would still love one dearly.
Great Review and I love seeing my R32 brethren from across the pond.
I love my MK4 R32. Much more Raw of a vehicle! To me the MK5 R32 is so much refined, smooth, but yet still quick!!
Both motors were putting out 250hp.
Mk4 was at 240 on launch, Mk5 was at 250 due to a better intake manifold. Other than that i believe the engines are identical.
Daumex the MK4 R32 on paper was 240hp. But. It had the same exact motor as the MK1 Audi TT 3.2 at 250 hp. VW/Audi. Did this for marketing reason. They were afraid (at the time) that customers would not purchase the Audi TT3.2 if the R32 had same Horsepower as the Audi.
Both motors from that generation are identical down to bore and stroke and compression!
@@maveric0738 It was the U.S./North American version of the MKIV R32 that had the same motor as the MK1 TT 3.2. In other markets (Europe, UK) the MKIV R32 made 240hp.
VWoA wasn't sure the R32 was going to sell over here what with it being $27-29,000, and the original 5000 allotment was to be spread over two years. For this reason they wanted to spend as little money as possible, so instead of certifying 2 versions of the 3.2L VR6 for the U.S. market, they just did the one in the Audi TT, as it wasn't a limited run of units and the higher price ($40,000+) and longer availability (04-06 in the U.S.) of the TT 3.2s absorbed that cost easier.
To appease the TT customer, it was available only with DSG and advertised with 250hp while the R32 stuck with the 6 speed manual and claimed 240hp.
Awesome review! I agree I MKIV is just that much better looking, whilst the MKV is not but drives better, which is why I ended up getting an Audi A3 3.2 for my DD.
I had a Golf MK5 R32 for 4 years and it was a very nice car to drive. Also was te car very reliable, I have driven 80000km with no major issues. But I trade my MK5 R32 for a MK4 R32 now. The Mk4 R32 is indeed outdated but you can drive it with more passion. Also the mechanical steering rack is so much nicer! It's indeed difficult to compare them but if want to drive it every day the MK5 is the winner. If you want more connection with te road the MK4 is the winner. Also the limit production of the MK4 make it more special to drive ;-)
Totally agree, both are great cars yet so different.
I selled my MK5 R32 and bought an MK7 but 1 Year later Isaw a wonderful MK4 R32 with 50000km. 1 Owner fully loaded and now in the Garage is still the Beauty and wait until every Summer to make RRRRRRRRRR on the streets. But i never forget my MK 5 R32 DBP ,I drove him 3 whole Years from 28k km to 58k km, and his electronic Leather Recaro Seats.
And I never forget the people who said the MK5 isnt the real R32. Both R32 are special for every Owner. I never sell 2nd time a R32 ^^. Thx Mr_Archer I totally agree too.
I actually don't hate the mk5 look (I had the GTI and Jetta), but the mk4 is so much more special inside and out. Plus here in the US the mk5 did not come in manual, so mk4 all day long!
Great video Andrew. Thanks for putting it together. Mk5 feels like it has the edge overall but do love the look of the Mk4!
The Mk5 was also noticeably faster, you look at the speedo and it's a good 10mph faster than the Mk4 on same road because it's so much happier riding the bumps.
The mk5 golf r32 is faster than its mk4 equivelent for my money, both in reality and in testing (like the top gear test track for example shows both times from both marques) due to dsg and other handling factors besides. But you dont buy a Golf R32 for a fast car, its not the fastest of its type out there by far. That heavy engine up front on the mk4 and mk5, the heavy wheels, heavy brakes = understeer with aggressive driving styles and is hard to scrub off that speed without brake fade (as i found out on a trackday).
You buy it for a refined quick-enough convenient car that sounds something special under load. A drop the kids off mobile that then turns into dad or mums plaything :)
You mentioned the Ferrrari/Golf r32 sound comparision Volkswizard hehe :) just if your curious check my channel as there is a vid i uploaded of me in my R32 behind a 458 Italia in convoy, id say he had the full orchestra, i had the 4 band quartet lol, but still we did make a glorious sound together when it bounced off walls.
The mk5 may be faster, but the mk4 is far cooler
One of the best videos watched about R32s...! Massive thumbs up from Greece! I personally love the MK4..its my dream car and the one i am working to buy.
Yia sas Konstantinos, eime poli eharistimeno pou s'aresi to film mou. Kali epitixia me to ayorasma to Mk4 R32 sou, einai oniro autokinito!
MK5 R32 my favourite 👍
MK4 is a lot harsher to drive. MK5 is more civilized
mk 4 gang 😍
I Love my MK4 R32 with DSG.....I've fitted it with complet Miltek decat exhaust system (sounds wonderful), and intake system, and Revo stage 2 mapping. It now makes 265 Hk / 340 NM.
They are both wonderful cars, but the MK4 is the one i always dreamed off, and i will always prefer the MK4 !
I would never trade my MK4 for the MK5 ;)
Bushlover1974 mk4 dsg??
25hp increase from stage 2 ? lmao stop lying you dumb fck =]]
@@JovanKorica1 North America only got the 6 speed manual, other markets had the choice of manual or DSG.
@@WolfyyRulezz why
Well presented! MK4 for looks and Mk5 for performance!
Thanks Glen - I'd say that's a fair summary!
Hey your videos have really come on since this one. Great content
Thanks for the review, very clear and enjoyable video for both MK4 & MK5
Fabulous Andrew!!! Brings back memories of my Mk 5 R32 and also my Mk 3 VR6 which was my first "fast" car
Glad you enjoyed it! Younger viewer may not remember how desirable the Mk3 VR6 was back in the day, it had all the buzz of the Mk7 R but it wasn't available on cheap deals so you had to work to achieve your dream of owning one. Probably the most dangerous car I've ever owned as the engine was amazing but the standard suspension was somewhat unstable as it wasn't really a sporty car, Corrado was much better set up but both great.
Love my MK5 R32. Owned it since 2015. Currently sitting at 93000 Miles. Putting in 3-5K on cosmetic repairs, mostly paint stuff from rust, headliner, and the trim around the gear, and getting new Timing Chains put in at 100,000 Miles.
Great video and great content, I don't think this video though does full justice to just how great these cars sound when driven.
MK4 Hands down a real sports car is 2 doors and 6 speed the last great VW.......please vw bring back the 6 speed VR6
We have 3door 6 speed mk 5 R32's in Australia, dont you?
NS Sherlock some people say 2 doors and some say 3 doors. the ones who say 3 doors they caunt also trunk lid
The Golf 4 is a 3 door hatchback, also the MkV R32 was available with 3 doors and manual transmission, at least in Europe
What a lovely engine. Previous owner of a 2.8 v6 4 motion. Only car I’ve sold for more than I bought it for. Any golf with a v6 will follow the Corrado
Mk4 For Sure
regarding the jerkiness of the throttle. You can alter that since it has an electronic throttle body actuator. So it shouldn't be a problem to remap the throttle.
Really good review thank you (and answers just the question I've been pondering). Just bought a Mk5 R32, you've touched on most of the things I love about it in your video... it's relaxed and practical, and a lot of fun to drive. The Mk4 looks superb, just not as balanced a vehicle. I like that you mention your age... I'm 39 and really enjoying the Mk5, but can see myself being a staunch Mk4 enthusiast 10 years ago.
Brilliant video I own a mk4 golf r32 its a joy to drive but I'm looking at getting a mk5 golf r32 so this video is just what I'm looking for. Glad I found your channel, keep up the good work.
Thanks Jay, glad you enjoyed it, Mk4 or Mk5 R32, both are very special in their own ways.
Design is MK4, I personally find the V pretty ugly especially the front with this chrome thing and strangely shaped lights.
A good review, Did like the mk4 but brought the mk5 because it is a daily driver.
Miss my MK5 - I had it on a private plate ‘V6 VAG’. Was one of the best cars I own. I now have a 911 yet I still miss the R32 🥺
Ha 3 years later and I'm back. I now own another R32 😊🎉 good to be back.
Thanks for the video! I'm considering a mk5 r32 vs Passat cc 3.6. Different cars I know, but the CC is so much car for the money!! I've really enjoyed my current VW 4motion 2.8 VR6 golf
Thanks for watching the video! I'd forgotten about Passat CC 3.6 (Passat R36 is more well known but still under most peoples' radar), CC sounds great go for it!
volkswizard Do you have any thoughts regarding the CC, as compared to the r32? I'm a little apprehensive about the CC, but it is a lot of car (especially being more modern). Very interesting you suggested the MK5 r32 was comparable to a MK7 Golf - that they'd barely improved upon it in the 10 years of development since.
CC is a good car, a lot more low profile than an R32 so for many it wont be an alternative as it's not an R32 even though engine is similar. Depends on your perspective, as I am getting older one day soon I will look silly even in a Mk5 R32 so a more mature car with similar character will be welcome. Bare in mind Passat/CC is just a lengthened Mk5/6 Golf so not a significantly different car, electric parking brake will be the most obvious difference.
How is this even a question... MK4 R is the clear winner
Nope is mk5
@@martenorio747no mk4 IS the best
Mk4 with flapper mod open (it takes 20 second to make it) and the sound is just perfect
This Channel is so underated...
Brilliant review and I absolutely love these cars. Personally for me aesthetically the Mk4 is the better looking car, rounded, smoother curves and more aggressive looking. I think the tail pipes on each corner sets it apart from the mk5, again down to aesthetics. But like the review the auto/dsg box on the mk4 isn’t as smooth. The Mk5 has better handling, smoother gearbox and has some better equipment. Either way, both awesome cars!
Hi W, thanks for taking the time to comment and feedback. Yes, both are the right choice!
Trying to find a Mk4 with a dsg gearbox is like rocking horse shi..... 😂
I like the mk4 for looks and body shape but like the mk5 for comfiness and handling. They are both equal all depends on what you prefer
Cracking review, and close to home! Maybe you can help make my mind up on purchasing my first R32!
Hi Andy, thanks for commenting! Either R32 is a great choice but hope video will help you decide which one suits your needs best.
Great video, well produced and informative.
1stly want to say great video, enjoyed the informative structure, stumbled onto ur video a day ago. I live in south africa and unfortunately we never got the mk iv r32 here so we got deprived of the raw experience. I purchased my mk5 r32 about 2months ago and must say after owning 5 vw cars and having the pleasure of driving in most of the gti models up to mk7 gti this is the first car where I could not stop smiling after driving it every time. Although 10yrs old I must say I can find relevance in ur comment about the mk5 r32 being close to the mk7. Yes its newer car but it will never have that special flair of the n/a v6 engin. Altho its just as expensive in our country to maintain I doubt il ever let go of my r32. Thnx so much. Best of luck with ur channel. U got a new sub.
I Just hit that subscribe button. You make great content . Everything you need to know about the car! You need more subs. Don't give up mate!
Mk4 is aa classic
I can not argue with that sir!
volkswizard hi sir. I had the 4 gti for a long time. Bloody good car. Not the faster or the sharpest. Covered over 550kms on the original engine then sold it. Now still with my mk5 already 177k miles on it UK car in manual. Dsg no fun
volkswizard love your Clubsport S
Thank you for your feedback and positive comments, you certainly do some driving!
volkswizard Thank you sir. Most of it town driving. Followed your articles since mk2 days. I still have my mk2 gti uk car G reg. Getting another L reg 1991 16v four door. Very few here
Currently in a 24v Jetta/bora gli but I am thinking of upgrading to a mk4 r32 in a year hopefully
Nice comparison Andrew - thanks for making the video.
Always liked both R32's and learnt a lot of the smaller details from this video.
Only thing putting me off on the MK5 is the high running costs. Petrol isn't cheap and road tax is in the highest band > £520! (and no doubt it will keep going up every few years).
I think this is the last chance to enjoy and run these NA higher output engines though before everything gets taxed to death by the government!
Wish they still made a 6 cylinder Golf - the one thing that the BMW 1 series still has going for it.
Some early cars are still £305 road tax (pre March 2006) but I agree £500+ is silly but they aren't losing money at the moment so in the bigger picture they aren't expensive to own as depreciation is one of the bigger costs of motoring
Can't agree more on the road tax, it's not so bad on the mk4 but it's a bit over the top for mk5. Also, don't be put off by fuel cost it's not actually that bad you'll be surprised if you drive on motorways, that said, it does go down quickly if you drive around town revving the arse off it, but it's all how you drive it.
An amazing video Andrew thank you so much for the rich information you given out.
Thank you abdulla, glad you enjoyed it and found it useful :)
Going down a rabbit hole now… jumped here after deciding I ‘need’ a charismatic manual golf, inspired by your CSS Brecon video! Remembered this video on this beautiful mk4 R32… 7:47 what did you call them?!? I misheard something very different😂
My mk5 r32 is now biturbo with dsg. Wouldn't change it for any VAG car on offer. It's the ultimate street car.
Great product knowledge on all the specs, impressive
Thanks!
I second that..
I want to buy an R32 now!
I did comment recently on your GTI video and loved it a lot. This video is a step up. Again loved the review. GTI or R32? Reliability is my main concern for both. What's your take on this?
Thanks Graham! Hmm R32 is simple with no turbo but timing chain replacement is an issue now. With GTI £350 cambelt change and you are good as new. If you can get an R32 with a new timing chain than not much else to worry about even as it ages which on GTI, all those hoses, sensors, etc are getting old now. Having said that never heard of a Mk5 GTI needing a turbo - let's call it a draw!
Thanks Andy. Your views are very much appreciated and valued.
I have mine and mo4 337 and love my mk4s huge power and Easy to work on and no plastic engine parts like mk5
Mk4 is more fun their much better with a few mods👌as it looks standard in video and mk4s worth a lot more money than mk5s as not many left on the road👍cool vid tho😎
I love both, I just got a MKV R32 a few months ago and before I had a Jetta GLI 24v VR6.
Only thing I miss is the 6speed manaul transmission.
I have currently a Jetta GLI 24v VR6 and I'm looking to buy a MKV R32 like you!
Should I? Do you prefer your R32 MK5?
Was the exhaust on he MKIV modified? 12:47 It didn’t have the mighty exhaust roar that mine does.
You can pop off the air ducks you just have to take off the bumpe, people always say they don’t do anything, but infact they have covers!
Only ever owned a mk3 gti but im longing a mk4 R for the looks, mk5 for the drive
Old video but looking at the mk5 .. Great info and subscribed
MK5 R32 is timelees beautiful design !
True, it's matured well and that noise well never go out of fashion :)
I love that mk4
Mk4
MK 4 is the last real golf
the real last shit golf lol, i had a mk4 and it was fkin terrible. handles shit, was slow and very uncomfy
MK5 GTI and now the MK7 GTI
I’ve been lucky to drive a few Golf Mk5 R32’s and own a R32 Mk4, As a daily driver the Mk5 is better too drive as less harsh but the Mk4 is awesome for a country road blat! And the Konig seats 😎
Never drove a Mk5 however I prefer the understated look of the Mk4 in comparison to the Mk5, bit too many shiney bits for me. I only gave mine up because of the rising insurance and Road Fund Licence. Definitely a car to measured in smiles per gallon and not miles.
MK4 is a future classic. I don't think the value will ever die down and the design is timeless.
MK5 has better build quality and ride quality, and will beat the MK4 around a track.
mk5 is much worse build quality especially inside plastic and buttons
@@pauliusbertonis4108, also the Mk4, first years of the 21st century were a terrible era for VAGs interiors.
MK5 R32 for me : more modern, more comfortable, better interior, faster (especially with the brilliant DSG), better sound (stock), better balanced... the last VR6 Golf, ever.
JackNapier19 interior is better in a mk4 by miles! Not the last either a 3l turbo vr6 is in progress
Agreed my mk4 interior is quite a bit better imho
Sorry but the MK5 R32 here in the United States was not any faster than the MK4 R32. In fact the MK4 had exactly/ identical engine than that of its brother MK1 Audi TT 3.2.
U.S. spec R32's MAF is larger diameter ( 3" ID versus 2.75") and Airbox is different.
mk4 is 100 kg lighter.. that helps
stevesje71, People aren't referring to which car rattles more when they say the MKIV R32's interior is better, a newer designed car should have better build quality from the get go and is younger overall. Heck I didn't think my 02 337 had any creaks or rattles, but when I got my 04 R32 (had both for 3 months) I could hear the creaks in the 337 when the new R32 had none. 14 years later I definitely hear the creaks and rattles in the R32 ;).
People are referring to the what the interior was equipped with. It's going to depend on the market you are in, but in the U.S. like every other region the MKIV R32 got the meaty steering wheel and the Konig seats, these features set it apart from the MKIV GTI, even the 337 and 20th Anniversary Edition, which had their own special interior.
The MKV R32 in the U.S. did not get anything special to differentiate its interior from that of a GTI. The steering wheel was the same, just swapped the GTI badge for the R. The lovely Recaros featured in the MKV R32 in this video were not offered as an option in the U.S.( they didn't have side airbags...that didn't stop some people from importing them on their own though).
Great Vid ive just borrowed a MK4 R32 to film and loved it!!!
Langers VW Just got myself 1 😍
Great video! Wondering if you've any plans on doing a similar video for the mk5 gti, a somewhat of a buyers guide of what to look for.
That's not a bad idea, I will see what I can do!
Great car but preferred the Audi badged A3 3.2 but always check the blocks for the dreaded chain stretch.
isn't the outside interference higher in the mk5?
I'd personally just go for a MK6 R20 instead of any of these. Easily tuneable and sounds still really good. + all the modern luxurys.
Nice job mate, Very well done all round 👍🏾 even my 1.6 mk5 was proud. Only thing I didn't like is the new gearbox it's gotta be fully manual for me personally. I would still drive it no problem..
Thanks 👍
These are great videos, thanks. I would love to see one on an RS2 or mk2 G60 if you ever get the chance!
G60 Rallye video is not impossible as James Stephens's great example is available to me as he loves showing if off. I'd love to do a normal G60 and I've had very little exposure to RS2 but hopefully one day!
I’m thinking about getting a r32 instead of my b7 rs4… I want something I can Rev out a bit more without doing stupid speeds.. thoughts?
Durable cars were made from VW between 1998-2004 year. Golf V is victim of downsizing where economical and ecological aspects made it's scars. MKIV is a solid car with dashboard from soft leather imitation , this is better than hard platic used in GolfV. For me is Golf IV car where investing pais off.
Hi.. was thinking off getting a mark 5. Was apprehensive about the timing chains
the mk4 looked so cool to me when it came out! but the mk5 looks great!
I just got a mk4 2.0 I know 2.slow what ever but it completely stripped almost at 2500lbs and stage 2 tune and going to get a cam for it so going to push 160hp in the 2.0 and I tell you then engine has torque spins the tires in 2nd gear for a n/a 2.0 pushing 160 pulls hard.
Sounds great Coyote :)
MK5 R32 all day :)
I like the MK4, but MK5 is just insane.
I certainly hope that it is better then the mk4. What would be its purpose otherwise... I do however favor the mk4´s in/exterior. And since the engine is basically the same, it really comes down to the looks.
Mk 4 golf is the best looking golf to date, really stylish hatch
Hey Does anyone knows what music this is , like thé song , i really do , and yess there both great Cars , have doubts about this of thé old Audi S2 5 cil though
Since the Introduction of DSG Gearbox... any VW without DSG (Older Cars) are missing the WOW factor.
AB. Digital Agreed, the whole car drives differently.
Mk4 is better for sure
Both are great cars. I love that 6cylinder 3.2 engine!!
DSG is a big no, but both are very cool. Looking at a MK4 today to buy possibly.
I'm assuming the chain went and caused damage for 2k? Not just a general replacement?
£2k with clutch I think is the going rate at a specialist. Not sure if that includes flywheel too.
for me US market to replace chains only would have cost 1500 USD. Its just a big job to do and you have to know what you are doing to do it right.
IMO, Comparing two generations of golfs with different transmission ans quite same engine does not help to answer the question, which is best ?
It will be nice to have both in manual or both in dsg
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Both are great in my opinion
I have a standard mk6 golf 1.6 but I have been wanting a mk5 GTI for a long time and not sure what to look for as there is lots of crap out their and don't want to waste my money.
Sadly easy to buy a bad one, in fact they have never been easy because a lot of first owners were hard on them. Mechanically it can all be fixed and isn't too dear unless you are unlucky but rust is now biting a lot of them and hard
@@volkswizard hmmmm...thanks,that's really sad I have always wanted one too...I'm now going to move on sadly to something else frankly I have honestly been put off it buy all the videos I have watched...again Thank you,you have been very helpful and your videos have saved me much pain and money I think