Was Johnny Silverhand A Good Guy or a Bad Guy?
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- Today we are taking a look at the character of Johnny Silverhand in Cyberpunk 2077 and if he is a good or bad.
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I love how you can have a good and bad relationship with Johnny. Depending on certain choices you make.
I was actually disappointed with how good your relationship with Johnny was even if you were a total prick to him. He acted very much the same towards me in my chummy-chummy playthrough and in my total corpo rat playthrough.
@@emeraldeye14it’s still better than how his friends treated him
Mike Pondsmith said it best: "Cyberpunk isn't about saving the world. It's about saving yourself". And very few people in that universe made everything about themselves on the scale that Johnny did. His ego may be second only to Saburo Arasaka, who has quite the god complex.
i dunno i feel like yorinobu would be more of a narcissist
He is chaotic good in D&D terms. His aims are good but the way he goes after them is a fucking mess. It is easy to agree with his aims but his means to achieve them are the hard part to swallow.
Well said.
I think the question is wrong.
It think he is neither good nor evil.
He is just a selfish guy, who don't give a shit what crosses his path.
If you want to put him in moral boxes maybe he is closer to chaotic neutral.
@Ackwell you put it perfectly! lol love it!
He is chaotic evil. Look at his action, not his narcissistic words of self-righteousness
@@irsshill4502 I think he starts the game as Chaotic Evil, but wisens up to Chaotic Neutral over the course of the game as he gets a better perspective of the life he lead and what it did to himself and everyone around him.
Frankly I hope CDPR doesn't stop working on Cyberpunk too soon cause your Cyberpunk videos and discussion are gonna be missed
Johnny wanted to change the world for the better. Corporate dominance was an obvious target and would have created the greatest change in the shortest time. Crippling them, or better, collapsing them altogether would be a major check mark in his 'win' column. Not being able to do that made his frustration grow until he lost control of it, and himself. Violence was a tool in his toolbox. His music, something he felt real passion for, was transformed into another tool by his swelling frustration and his growing anger at himself for not being able to achieve his goals and desires. If I had to make a dialectic decision, I would have to say that Johnny was a good man, trying to survive in a world that crushes good men.
Yeah, you said that pretty well actually haha. I like how Mike made him in that way, with flaws that ultimately ruined him, plus obviously combined with the world and how it consumes you and spits you out.
@@LastKnownMeal Thanks. Johnny was a living tragedy. I haven't read, seen, or heard a word from Mr. Pondsmith since game launch. I wonder what he thinks of all the issues CDPR has had since then? Also, do you know what's up with the Madqueen? Her channel has been quiet for some time.
Dude literally murdered a quarter of a million innocents.
He was evil.
@@TechnoMinarchist Truman wasn't called 'evil' for approving the use of the Atomic bomb on Hiroshima. A quarter-million died there, too.
@@OneManShow1964 1. That was to stop a war that would have resulted in many times more dead.
2. The civilians were warned ahead of time to evacuate.
I would say both since all his intentions are overall good, but he goes about everything to the extreme. How someone perceives him depends on what side of that extremely fine line they stand on.
Losing Alt, and knowing it was his fault that she was trapped as an A.I
Put him in a place beyond reason. he just wanted to wipe out Arasaka, no matter the cost, so no one else would have to suffer.
Like How V asked him "what did you do after that?" when they see the memories of what happened to alt
and Johnny said "i got a pair of thermo nukes and went back"
Even N54 News says "Some attribute the incident to Arasaka's Authoritarian Ways"
They acted like they ruled the world, and in a way they did.
I would put him as Chaotic Good. He had good intentions, But his execution was beyond Extreme, even by Cyberpunk standards.
An alright guy doing bad things for the right reason. We’re all a hero in our own story.
Never fade away.
Johnny lives. ⛧🤘⛧
I would go further back in Johnny's history and look at how the South Am war treated him. Those who don't know about that, think of the Vietnam war times N as the war atrocities from both side were heinous. US Soldiers on a wanton destruction path, South Am war machine using POW as guinea pigs for biotech experiments. To finish it off the USA military then abandon all of them. The US soldiers were told "You're on your own. Good luck making it back home." I sure that was a bitter pill to swallow by these vets. These soldier who did make it back (with heavy loses during the long walk) found their old lives ruled by corrupt corporation. I don't know what started the hatred Johnny has for Arasaka, but it was there prior to 2013. Johnny has a lot of trauma prior to when entering the story of 2013 and it just continues from there.
Another great video brother... My opinion ; Johnny is not a good person at all but i don't think he is evil either.. He is a war veteran that saw very f*ckedup things in the war, Lost his friends, his arm, Who know how many things he witnessed.. When war is over he throw himself into the Night City and i think Night City did the rest to him.. I see him more of a Victim of that world. Also i was in the army and i think when people quit army their attitude stick with them rest of their life if they won't start to live a normal life.. Some normies see Johnny as a "bArD WiTh A gUn" but they forgot his true past and where is he came from.. You explained very perfectly moral in the Cyberpunk world, i love your videos please keep making more, Also i'am waiting for Morgan Blackhand Lore video too ^^
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the video and yeah, well said. He is a perfect example how a normal person can become twisted due to life experiences and things he saw during his army times and so on. Ego doesnt help him though haha, since thats another trigger he has, and on top of that crazy lifestyle with drugs and so on.
@N7Andy hehe, yeah :D
Only one thing you need to know about Blackhand.
He's not alive because he's the best. He's the best because he's alive.
He's one of the best characters ever. Idc what anyone says 😂
Love your videos, you do great work!
Johnny Silverhand, born as Robert John Linder on Nov 16th, 1988
during his lifetime was idolized for his talents, message, and charisma.
Popular enough to still be idolized by young and old, an still played on the radio 50 years after his death despite his disposition and actions.
While he was Uber popular and at the top of his fame and obsession, he was your average celebrity douche bag-party guy.
Douche bag enough to leave a sour taste in the mouth of the people who loved him the most.
He was only 34 when he died, he had a long life to figure out that he was a douche bag.
Not a bad guy, just a douche bag while he was alive, if he was given enough time in life, he may have come to the same realizations he did with V.
Johnny is a legend.
Misty seems a good person tho
True that
The more you play this game and experience with new builds/playthroughs your realize how wrong Johnny is overall, but during my first play through I was overwhelmed with the ups and downs of the story you kinda agree with everything Johnny says but eventually you’ll realize he’s unstable and everything is for his own selfish needs
What sums up his character is at the end when you're talking with and Alt (before deciding who keeps the body), V says something about hoping everyone gets a happy ending and Johnny answers "Here, for folks like us? Wrong city, wrong people."
If we take the game as the most recent reference you can view Johnny and Yorinobu as 2 faces of the same coin, both wants to destroy the corporation but not without big sacrifces.
Also quoting Yorinobu from the game during the Devil ending "If planting bombs not enough, what can you do ? You become bomb.". In a twisted way, Yorinobu became a kind of the symbolic successor of Johnny in CP2077.
In my eyes he’s both After seeing the grip corps had on individuals and seeing how it affected people in war and in life. He went about doing something and believed he was the only one who saw the issues around him and was the only one who would be willing to do something.
He’s ways we’re extreme but it motivated saburo to become the bomb from within because he too saw through his fathers schemes and despised arasaka’s hold on people.
Your goal can be noble but the ways you go about reaching that goal can corrupt you and change how people view you. Silverhand is a hero to many but also a villain to others. He can be both.
Also V is the villain n the corp ending because he contributes to arasaka remaining in power by halting saburos plans to free millions from the corps hold.
Before watching this video, I will post my opinion on Johnny Silverhand. I've always viewed him as a sort of anti-hero. He has a skewed view of the world but has very solid reasonings behind it. He tends to act on those skewed views seemingly believing that he is doing the right thing, even if what he is doing is objectively wrong or in the wrong way.
Well. He's definitely not a "good guy", that's for sure. V has the ability to make this quite clear to him throughout the story.
Despite this tho, he changes when he meets V. I forget which mission it is but Johnny says, "See, you're more like me than you think V", V replies,"or maybe your becoming more like me". And with an almost in- denial tone Johnny replies "Nahhhh". What I'm getting at is V makes him a better person. With him basically being willing to give his life for V by the end, depending on choices.
@@mw00295 I know. I never said he was anything. Simply that he changed over the course of the game.
But let's be real, him literally putting a Hydrogen bomb within a building in the middle of a city isnt a "good" thing, no matter the cause lol. I think we can agree on that.
@@mw00295 Sure there is. Dude literally murdered a quarter of a million innocents.
He was evil.
I don't think Johnny knows about the Militech angle, he was betrayed by Rogue who was working with Militech. Remember the Media Guy helped Johnny as well.
Yeah, but I am not so sure about that, since Johnny isn't really stupid but, it could be possible. Although, I think he didn't even care due to being blinded by his own thirst for revenge. I will ask R.Talsorian folks about that if I get a chance haha
@@LastKnownMeal Cool!
Amazing video I like how you put it Johnny silverhand isn't completely evil or bad he's more of an antihero he wants to do the right thing but can be extreme with his methods and values only his opinions and what he thinks is right
Thanks a lot for watching!
@@LastKnownMeal you're welcome I really like your channel I tried watching other channels that do the same content but there is feel very bloated your you get to the chase no BS which I like about your channel you tell me when I need to know and that's it so good luck on future content have a good day man
The ending to Phantom Liberty shows us who the good people in Cyberpunk are. Who was with us till the end. And if you look around certain quests you'll see those people. There for you, they have nothing to gain but to see you succeed. And honestly, even though he couldn't be there for you after everything, if johnny could've been, he would've been. Johnny is a real one in a world full of fakers
I think Johnny silverhand has similarities Deadpool in a sense
I'd say River and Judy are the only characters that can honestly be considered good and actually do something about that. Both kinda suffer from helplessness and, in Judy's case, some amount of incompetence; but being incapable doesn't make somebody not good, it's just the state of that world.
Right. The only people so far that are remotely likeable (and I'm about halfway through the game, almost done with main quest as well). Jackie Welles was also alright. And that doctor you meet early on. Everyone else is plain psychotic.
@@2hot2handle65 I didn't mean good as in 'this character is enjoyable', I meant good as in 'this character is ethically in the right and acting in the general best interest of humanity.'
Judy and River are good people that try very hard to do good things. Panam is a good character, V is a good character, and Jackie is a good character, but fundamentally they're kinda neutrally aligned at best; they are outright violent criminals, and not out of a sense of altruism. V is debatably good, but that's largely out of her connection to characters like Judy and River, based on the player's choices.
@@reaganeidemiller7132 That's what I meant by good. He is not good. I don't see how he is acting in the general best interests of humanity. He's an anarchist who blows things up, ignores collateral damage, and generally follows "ends justify the means."
I mean, basically what separates the good guys from the bad guys in real life is that the ends do not justify the means for the good guys.
@@2hot2handle65 if you're talking about Johnny, yeah, it's pretty clear that he is by no means a good person.
Characters like Judy and River are, they do use violence to get what they need, but that world is well past the point where any other method is viable.
Silverhand was an unfaithful basterd. Until he met V, his life changed him to have a second chance.
Johnny is like every first year political science student, but dialled up to 11.
It's like Anakin
this character sort of remind me of another character he played in a movie john constantine
who the story keep telling you what a bastard he is but i find myself mix on johnny silver hand
and just confuse on Constantine
Well
It's Cyberpunk and The World Of Cyberpunk.
Which is basically A Dog Eat Dog world and only the Strongest and Toughest survive.
It's also very morally grey in a either subtle or extreme way and combine that morally gray with the survival of the fittest motif it's can be very messy.
And depending of how your relationship with Jonny goes which peakat his "grave" it can really give You, V And especially Jonny different perspectives.
And if we think about it is anyone besides maybe Judy, Mama Wells, arguably Viktor is Good, Kind or anything close even V.
He is not evil nor good but just very narcissistic and thinks the world revolves around him. Because of that his actions doesn't include the thought of consequences it can have on other people or people their lives (look at what happened to Alt).
There is a big dose of narcissism for sure, even when talking to Alt and if she says something which doesnt go his way, the usual response is always "why you go against ME" or "why you ruin MY night" and so on. Plus he even escalated the situation with Alt making it worse. But yeah he threads that line between good and bad, but ultimately for as long as it benefits him.
@@LastKnownMeal yes exactly and the sad part is if he didn't came for Alt she would be still alive. She had her own plan and had everything under control
I keep thinking about that story he tells V, of the guy who gave their life for him. I think that is a lie, or in the best case scenario, a metaphor. The man who died for Johnny was his old self.
His personality makes me think a lot about Fight Club or Mr Robot. I would actually have welcomed a little bit more of conflict, maybe a few situations in the beginning of the game with Johnny taking over without V's consent, or refusing to go somewhere... Or maybe V simply experiencing memory blanks out of nowhere, only to find out about something "she" (Johnny) did
The very existence of Johnny as a character is a rejection of the good/bad person binary. Dude set off a nuclear bomb in a city, he's not *good*, but he's not pure evil either.
Good
1:08 isnt it the other way around?
lol yeah
I think Johnny is a good guy just made mistakes he changes throughout the story but hes has been pretty right throughout the story like saying Takemura isn't your friend he's just using you to get back to Arasaka he wants to save Vs life but in return he just wanted to make some things right with people he did wrong.
The answer is yes. Yes, he was. Haha
Johnny is an @55 but I love his storyline.
Did he set up a diversion with his fans in front of Arasaka and then kill them?
He’s fun to watch as he is a very interesting character but at the end of the day he (or he thinks he did) set off a nuke and killed thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people all because of his inflated ego, even his memories are not correct because of his ego.
how is Panam bad?
Strictly speaking, she *is* part of a roaming gang that loots and steals constantly and provides next to nothing for society. Though there really isn't actually a way to provide anything for society so she kinda ends up coming out neutral because her actions don't matter and she doesn't really have any drive for them to. She's neutral, but ultimately doesn't actually do anything that makes her good.
He's a tought friend.
There is no good or bad in Cyberpunk, Only shades of grey
I thought the character was poorly written. I don't know if CD Projekt Red was trying to follow the existing lore from the tabletop game. But considering that you spend most of the game interacting with Johnny, he is far too unlikeable. Textbook sociopath, juvenile, and also a mass-murderer. Corps label him a terrorist, which is exactly what he is. He set off a thermonuclear bomb downtown. Like, seriously. And Keanu Reeves plays him so straight-up it's ridiculous. It should have been someone who could do "eccentric", like Heath Ledger with the Joker.
jhony is good arasaka very evil
He's definitely a bad guy, but that doesn't mean hes a bad guy. *slaps thigh*
What has Johnny built during his life?
He is a narcissist, borderline, psycho fill with self-righteousness.
If he cared about NC, he would have shown it through his actions. I ask, what has Jhonny built? He only knows destruction. Pain is an emotion that brings our hearts true color.