Cyberpunk 2077 - Mike Pondsmith Explains DAVID vs V! CPDR Devs Emotional Response
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Today in Cyberpunk 2077 news we are going to cover Mike Pondsmith explaining cyberpsychosis and how it works, especially in the case of David vs V. After that we are going to talk about developers being excited about the return of the game and the recent popularity as well as about the struggles they had when the game came out.
Intro: 0:00
Mike Pondsmith Explains Cyberpsychosis (Spoiler Alert!): 1:02
CDPR Devs Emotional About Recent Popularity: 8:06
Final Thoughts & Outro: 11:29
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A big advantage for V, is that he has all his illusion of immortality removed, he knows the chip will kill him, so his mind is totally focused on hunting down a few last rays of hope.
V knows he is not special.
V knows his death is imminent.
So he is grounded is reality and humanity.
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@@Asoeee Nah me*
@@Asoeee, V is, there.
@@Asoeee nah, they
I mean you could be right, but also wrong. The chip could also be interfering with the cybernetics causing him too not have that overlap, plus through the game they explain too you, that his brain is bassicly being turned into cyberware, which could also have a net positive affect on the mental strain caused by implants, but untill we get a 100% anser we honestly will never know.
V is many levels above David, much because of Relic, so he is immune to cyberpsychosis. In addition we can measure the power level as follows. V single-handedly invaded the Arasaka Tower from the first floor, climbed up and destroyed arasaka's entire defense system and turned Adam Smasher into a pile of twisted metal. David is strong.... but V is a Cyber Demon
Yeah haha, which makes me wonder if David managed to get enough experience as V or well grow older, if he would be stronger. And the fight with Smasher is a bit of a problematic one, he should have been a lot stronger, V is strong but getting Smasher that easily is bs, especially lore wise.
@@DeadSpaceWing *doom theme intensifies* 😂
@@LastKnownMeal lets be real here, a level 20 quickhacking with a maxed tree can do just as much damage as alt in the last mission, I know because I did that... lol
There’s a reason why the main menu theme is literally called “The only thing they fear is V”
Then there's my V with no chrome. (Other then the ones the game forces you to get of course)
The popular and critical reception of the Edgerunners show and the resurgence of the games popularity with a wide group of players is a "humanity" boost for the team and a buffer against RL creative burnout. I'm happy for them.
Yeah judging from some of their tweets they seem be hyped up again
Edgerunners is probably the first ever videogame adaption that wasn't actually just okay or good, but _excellent_.
@@John-X Edgerunners was definitely great imo! And speaking of game adaptations, wasn't Arcane also good? I haven't seen it yet but people said it's a great show! And we might even get a hat trick of good video game adaptations if the NieR:Automata anime turns out good too! I don't know how they'll pull off the game's story in a show, but fingers crossed it succeeds! 🤞🏻
@@John-X It not being live action certainly helped.
@@TehZach1993 Yeah, it feels like that's the only way video games can be done justice in a show or movie format, is in anime. Imagine a Zelda anime. We got a glimpse of it with with the official Smash Bros. Link vs Pit anime clip...
The real irony is that Arasaka wanted to study David and replicate his tolerance... But they really can't engineer people with that level of Humanity. They treat their employees and even their budding students like assets and liabilities rather than people. Even Corpo V is barely holding it together between stress and malnutrition until he was forced out of the company by circumstance, with his only real source of Humanity at the time coming from Jackie.
there's also a popular fan theory (imo the best explanation) that the chip which is reconfiguring V's brain into silverhand's is what preventing V from going into cyberpsychosis coz the chip is repairing those aspects for as to make the brain suitable for the personality that resides in the chip
Also V didn't go through the emotional turmoil David did. Mike Pondsmith said that "loss of humanity" is a major contributor to cyberpsychosis, and David's sense of humanity had been fractured ever since he was forced to kill an innocent woman
That's the thing, it would make sense being connected with Alt and all, I am sure she would design a tech in a way to resist that factor, so yeah theory could be good, hopefully we get full explanation in the future.
@@LightStreak567 No, when David killed her he was already showing signs of psychosis. It started to hit more when Maine died.
@@LightStreak567 he wasn't forced to kill her he hallucinated and shot her. I agree that killing her def drove his descent into madness much much faster
@@Tangomango1720 Yes
The cases of David and V are interesting contrasts to Adam Smasher, who had so little humanity and already had sociopathic tendencies that he was able to survive a full body replacement without going psycho.
You could argue that he is psycho, just high functioning lol
ive got my own (head canon) theory that the in game term of 'cyber psycho' is just a slang term that became popular enough to become what the condition is called. its not actually psychopathy, where your emotions are really toned down (think 'cold blood' tree in the game). rather cyber psychosis is when you get so overwhelmed with emotions and input from devices that your mind breaks.
so an actual psychopath like smasher has a very easy time with all his implants.
@@scratthesquirrel5242 that makes a lot of sense tbh, I like that interpretation. I'd like to hear Maximum Mike's thoughts on it too
It’s also pretty heavily implied by the game, especially through the Cyberpsycho missions, and Id argue through the anime as well that Cyberpsychosis isn’t the inevitable death sentence its treated as.
It almost certainly can be managed and treated if not outright cured; Its just those in power have no interest in the expense required to do so for the general public. Singular cases like Adam however offer a RoI incentive for them to care. It wouldnt surprise me if beyond his general resilience to the psychosis- he also has access to resources to deal with it.
@@scratthesquirrel5242 Psycho does not mean psychopath
Humanity stat would have been a cool thing to incorporate into the game.
it would have been so cool to implement a system that, as your humanity slips lower and lower (chroming up too much/killing innocents etc), you start to have audio/visual hallucinations and glitches in your vision that periodically effect you and whatnot. Even have maxtac follow and try to get you on occasion and shit. Could have been a cool feature.
I said this when I got back on if they make a new mode it should be called realism where humanity is in and you get a real choice of going full non cyberware or cyberware with the humanity setting where gotta be real picky of what you going to put on as less humanity means less voice options and more tendencies for random action sequences like talking you got a timer and it’ll go faster because your humanity so low your character avoids talking and goes straight rage but it also warrants people to avoid you and harder to do quest
@@JSkippi Nah that's lame, I dont want a limit on the amount of badass cybernetics I can have. That's half the fun of this game, and makes combat way better.
@@joshuameadows4922 well it would be a option that’s why I said realism mode would be a challenge if you want a easier mode to cyber out choose the easier modes with no humanity that’s the purpose of options and also you watched the anime and lore so yeah
@@TheSpencer033 And to counteract it, spending time with Nibbles and hanging out with buddies at bars helps recover Humanity stat. And these have to be in real time.
David and V were perfect illustrations of the opposed crossroads of life.
Both V and David dealt with grief. David losing his mom pushed him down a path of darkness due to his grief and loss he felt consumed by his thirst for vengeance, V used his grief to propel him forward and ultimately through his humanity and the friendships he struck up after the loss of Jackie he was able to overcome what David was not.
CDPR - have one of the greatest IPs on there hands with a great lore I really, really hope they take advantage of it and make Cyberpunk properties for the next two decades.
The big difference between V and David is that V clings to life with tooth and nail as he sees death approaching, David was desensitized by the deaths of those important to him and never feared death, even sought it out with his dangerous change in lifestyle becoming a cyberpunk. V starts from the beginning as a cyberpunk, David had a chance at a normal life but, had it taken away from him.
IMO Cyberpsychosis works like this, psychopathy usually stems from apathy, with cyberpsychos it makes sense that someone who gets used to having cyberware where they can lift cars, a normal human doesn't even feel relatable and they start to feel out of touch with what it means to be human, the struggle. Never having to work out for muscle means no appreciation, only better performance which would inflate an ego. When you can kill others with such ease and you yourself is hard to kill, you start to desensitize and not see people as "people", just meat which is inferior to chrome.
@@spider-spectre yeah, but plenty of people don't go psycho while others do, I think "cyberpsychosis" is a severe negative reaction to cyberware mixed with a persons underlying problems.
For instance, someone who would already be prone to violent outburst getting a Berserk implant that isn't quite right for them Etc..., it not being an "actual" illness would explain the big difference in what seems to set cyberpsychos off.
@@spider-spectre What about those specific cyber psychos that only turn that way because they killed someone on accident? There's a psycho named Russel Greene, he went insane because he accidentally blew up his family with his home security system. The person went psycho not because they lacked empathy, but because they accidentally killed someone they loved and it sent them over the edge. To me this is a clear sign that cyberpsychosis can occur not only as a result of losing empathy, but also a traumatic event that may send the victim spiraling into a mindset where they feel they have nothing to lose (kinda similar to how David is portrayed)
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 Also there's the fact that some cyberwares are just too much for the body to handle, and in the long run they damage your nervous system and brain. Using David as an example, everyone is telling him to not abuse the Sandevistan so much cus it will fry his nervous system, and then when he gets into the exoskeleton the only thing keeping his brain and ego alive is the inmunodepresants he's getting injected with through the last episode, like we see him bleeding through the nose constantly while using the special features of the exo. So yeah, cyberpsychosis, at least from my interpretation, is a combination of pushing your brain to it's limits through ciberware combined with underlying mental issues and trauma that causes the victims to suffer psychotic episodes and lose their egos. Oh, also drugs, cus on the long run people heavily cromed need inmunodepresants to operate properly otherwise they get the shakes, like we see with Maine in Edgerunners and also Vik from 2077 (also he says that it's because he's getting old, so yeah drugs and cyberware seem to damage the nervous system with time or overuse)
Actually V starts out as either
A normad
A street kid
A Arasaka Corporate
Patch 1.7 will be very special indeed. An overhauled police system and more goodies from Edgerunners. So glad the Neon Dystopia is getting a resurgence and LKM is more powerful than ever! 😃
My opinion: I think David is not as composed emotionally as V, David comes across less Naive but both can be blindly reckless too. Although strength wise V is just built different, he took down Oda which obviously wasn’t expressed good enough on how strong Oda really is. He also took down Adam Smasher (the metal bastard that ruined my life) all whilst being sick, maybe if David wasn’t so mentally broken he’d be much stronger. V on the other hand, now that’s a different breed.
Also makes a huge difference to humanity and stability the extra maturity one gains overtime so in V's case helps also that V is not a 17 year old kid.
@@galadballcrusher8182 Well That, And V Was Living a Pretty Chill Life Prior to the Games Events ( Being Part of a Nomad Family, Leaving for Atlanta, Or Being a Corporate Top Dog for a Time ).
How was V naive and david not 😂😂😂 the man was so naive he watched all his Cho’s die off and still wanted to get Lucy to the moon like bruh your main focus atm should’ve been getting tf out of NC they put eachother and stupid situations that ultimately led to david and the crews death V at least knew the score on many occasions out of the 2 of them V was less naive as david 😂😂😂😂 V is more experienced and seems to handle pressure better then David and then we don’t really know V backstory just the foundations V could very well been in the corpo wars or been gang affiliated or hell Atalanta was probably hell on earth
Funniest joke ive seen recently was corpo V sitting in her office looking at the absolute fucking mayhem Davids crew was causing at the plaza. :D
Reading the rules in Red, you also gotta remember that V has a lot of friends who did therapy with him. Misty and Victor both help V cope. Therapy rules exist in Red. While they don't completely offset the humanity cost, it reduces it. It can also restore some humanity lost to trauma
Not to mention fixers that don't screw him up.
And ripperdocs that give him pain meds so that his croming up doesn't become another trauma to add to the pile
@@rizdew2749 Save for Dex. But Let's Face it, Dex Only Did It Because the Heist Botched Out of Nowhere.
@@jackmesrel4933 Gotta Love Victor for That.
I think most people might look past a small yet (I believe) an important part into the sanity of V. When you first go to clouds searching for Evelyn and spend it with the doll. I feel that moment is actually therapeutic for V. They come to terms with his/her death. It helps V to also accept the death that awaits them with the relic and I feel V coming to terms helps their sanity normalize itself.
A small part next to Johnny and the relic sure but I feel an important one in their sanity/humanity.
Wow LKM, your last to videos on cyberpsychosis have been really eye opening. As a person who has high blood pressure and deals with a lot of stress, not to mention a lot of other crappy life issues, I can see why David cracks. V on the other hand has the has Johnny sitting in their head as a constant reminder that you're not crazy, I am and I can show you real crazy is...plus plot armor helps. Thank for including Mike Pondsmith's explanations in this. This man is truly ahead of his time. Keep up the great work and looking forward to more great content Brother.
Thanks for watching and considering the stressful life yeah, completely understand you on that part but its important to take care of yourself, health comes first then everything else.
I've always supported the CP universe since learning about it, pretty cool game and TTRPG. I'm excited for the future, and I'm happy CDPR is sticking with the game, cause they really need to stick it out with CP2077 and make it how they wanted to make it from the get go. Currently sold my ps4 and am saving up for an Xbox series s so I can play it how it was intended to be played. So excited for when I get my S.
Here's to the future of Cyberpunk!
Please for my sake and yours just call it cyberpunk. CP is not the way
@@zachroos3910😂😂😂
Makes me wonder about Smasher and what allowed him to take on so much. My guess is their ability to cope with "what is", and not get depressed about his decisions.
Smasher is a combination of already being a psychopath/sociopath so his brain was able to process that a bit easier than others. And on top of that his luck was that the best Araska tech/doctors were doing surgery so that's a big plus. If he didn't have this he would never be able to achieve the level of cyberware he does. And yes, as you said his actions don't really play any emotions in him so he can control it much better.
I would say, that you also need time to develop cyberpsychosis, and V simply don't have enough time throughout the game to go cyberpsycho
Being that i played as all 3 (corpo, street kid, and Nomad) The Nomad is easily the best especially if you choose to leave with Panam or Judy if you're a female in the end. You came there as a loner looking for something "better" saw the world for what it was and what it costs and left but not without Blowing the head off adam smasher.
For me it was streetkid. You get to embody that egderunner lifestyle. Live fast, die young, become a legend. Doesn't get more cyberpunk than that imo
Gotta go with the corpo ending. Adam smasher 2.0 here I come!
I did that but with corpo. Felt much more like an appropriate character arc to take, like the whole game was just a massive redemotion story for V
V as a corpo: “I had a normal job and lived a normal life on Arasaka tower first floor (like David’s mother wanted for david) and had everything, I got caught doing something wrong and lost everything but luckily my friend Jackie helped me out and got me into a life as a outlaw cyberpunk!”
Also having Johnny there is... having someone there. Always there to talk to.
One MAJOR factor people keep forgetting about:
David is a KID... and not only is he a kid, he's as close to a normal kid as one can possibly get in the Cyberpunk universe. He lives in a nicer middle-class home with his mother who has a job that pays just enough to raise David in a relatively safe environment and is able to send him to a relatively safe, high dollar corpo school.... and then suddenly loses everything when his mother dies and then has a military grade Sandevistan reflex package grafted onto his 17-year-old spine as his first piece of Chrome. Even V has to be a certain street cred level before they go grafting military grade shit into their body, but David just goes all-in from the start.
Believe it or not the entire events of Edgerunners takes place over a year, David is just 18 when he ends his journey in the show even though he's already decked out his body with enough cyberware and muscles to make him look like a buffed out war vet in his 30's. David really is too young, too small, and too immature both mentally and emotionally to put the kind of insane strain David winds up putting on his body with all the chrome he decks himself out with in a relatively short period of time.
V, on the other hand, is a grown ass adult with a lot of rough living and experience under their belt before the game really even goes into full swing, and this is true no matter what background you pick. Canon backstory V is a streetkid so they've been living life rough and on the streets their whole life, but even Nomad V or Corpo V comes from a tough background of violence and survival, so they're able to handle the pressures and stresses of their cyberware a lot more maturely than David whose basically a toddler with an AK-47.
Not to mention that when it comes to keeping your mental shit together, two heads are probably better than one, so Johnny's construct and the damage its gradually doing to V's brain probably helps ground them to reality even more than they would be able to otherwise.
Middle class is not being able to afford to wash your clothing?
hes not from middle class definitely lower class
V has the proper stat attributes for the cyberware he uses hense not becoming a psycho
This could also sorta feed into the theory video from Eye of Center about V being in the military on top of having mental armour from life on the street, nomad conflicts and behind arasaka closed doors.
Mitch also elaborates on the drugs they were given.
Well of course yeah, lifepath experience does help V a lot, at this point he is a fully developed person, plus the chip and plus lack of time, but honestly without the chip V would have been flatlined anyway.
@@LastKnownMeal A lot of Braindance Scammers in Night City.
V needed that Chip.
you know, i think of cyberpsychosis as being similar to the witcher potions. its not the amount of chrome you're wearing, but how much you're using at a time. when david takes the meds, its almost like using, i think, White Gull to negate the effects and toxicity
Putting together Pondsmith's explanation, I wouldn't be surprised if Silverhand was just a high-functioning cyberpsycho, similar to Adam Smasher before getting turned into an engram. And that's before either Johnny or Smasher were turned into their engram counterparts. As engrams, they're literally immune to cyberpsychosis, and that could potentially be another massive buffer atop Silverhand's "anger" and "rage" preventing V from losing their mind.
Don’t forget V was also having an effect on Johnny and eventually stopped being a raging rockerboy.
In the game they mention that V's neural network is deteriorating and his body is attacking his own brain, I wonder if that make him entirely immune to psychosis given that his body is rejecting... well himself, and giving it to Johnny who is essentially a construct in a metal casing which doesn't follow the same autonomy as a physical brain. I wonder depending on what happens after the game (SPOILER) if Johnny would be entirely immune to cyberpsychosis because he has no physical brain inside V's body
the way they word it in the game doesn't make it seem like the chip is straight up destroying his brain, but that it's systematically killing off and regrowing his neurons to be an exact replica of Johnny's, thereby basically making him Johnny. The chip itself isn't his brain now. Maybe V doesn't go psycho because the chip is actively "repairing damage" which would otherwise send him over the deep end
Lucy's outfit should definitely be in the game.
I personally hold a headcanon that V's immune to cyberpsychosis because in a way, with Johnny in their head, they in a certain type of way are cyberpsychotic already. no room to lose your mind if your mind is already lost type stuff.
Love this channel, and Cyberpunk lore videos
In short,V has the power of plot armor.Jokes aside it really is interesting how Mike Pondsmith explains all of this.Hope we get more of him in the dlc or some new stories on the radio.There is never a time when I don't listen to his voice.Such an amazing voice
Seems like such a cool dude
Psychology and experience are certainly great resistance against cyberpsychosis.
Although I had a kinda fringe theory about why V is so resistant to it despite being able to be super chromed-up. After the events of Konpeki and No-Tell Motel, V isn't entirely human anymore, the malfunctioning Relic must've done some botched reconstruction/integration to keep the host alive so it can complete the rewrite. I think part of V's consciousness, immediately after waking up in the landfill is already part construct. So by the end of the game V is mostly malfunctioning AI. You can't get cyberpsychosis if you are not human to begin with.
Of course this theory takes for granted that human-like AI/constructs would not suffer from psychological trauma and stress like we do.
This can be quickly disproven with the cases of Adam Smasher and Lizzie. It’s hard to determine with Adam Smasher but all of that chrome should be guaranteeing cyberpsychosis (which could mean he’s a cyberpsycho) but he’s only on a murderous rampage when on assignment by contract.
Lizzie is definitely showing signs of it on how strangely violent she can get. Got to remember she scared the shit out of her manager and even went on to kill (and enjoyed the killing) the poor gonk.
@@TheGeoCheese Smasher was a murderous psychopath long before the accident that nearly caused his death and put him in all that chrome, I'd guess the implants have no effect on people who are already insane
@@mortalitydoesstuff8965 yeah. Like I said it’s hard to tell if Smasher is a cyberpsycho or not. Don’t forget not all cyberpsychos are the same and don’t immediately go into a murderous rampage. That’s just what usually happens but is not always the case.
The fact that he’s playing johnnys theme makes this so much better during his talk. Never stop fighting
I really hope this means the coop project will get a reboot. And we will eventually will get that and what ever had done gets moved over from red engine since that's been scraped.
I loved it on Day 1. I love it more after 1.6. I'm extremely excited for 1.7.
Everyone seems to forget that the biggest difference between David and V regarding cyberpsychosis is that V suffer catastrophic brain damage that was repaired and overwritten by the biochip. The fact that the nanites used by the biochip to overwrite a persons personality with another implies that it could also prevent cyberpsychosis.
I’m so glad
On launch my game ran great and I loved the game.
Now it’s even better and it’s so nice that others are enjoying it as much as I still am !!🤘
I always put it down to the relic reformatting Vs brain. V did die, but the brain could well have been kept stable by the relic after the revival while it was being rewritten. Or was the relic just a very different kind of cyberpsychosis that explains away Vs potential sociopathic behaviour through the game?
It would be hilarious if David installed the second heart cyberware and survived, that saved me from maxtac so much in game.
i figured one of the reasons V doesnt experience cyberpsychosis, was because of the chip. technically V has already died and is being rebuilt by the chip, so it works to balance the player out while it takes over
I always thought that because V has another person inside of them it’d conflict with something like cyber psychosis, because they’re already of a fractured mind anyways? Or that the cyber psychosis would also have to affect Jonny as well as V to take over 🤔
The mod that ads humanity is so cool! If the devs could run with that and make the environment changing around you? That would be so HYPE!
I hate to say it but david was on a crutch called sandevistan and its very cool that he lasted that long :)
I feel like when V's persona is put in the chip at the end of the game (provided you took that route) you're sort of save from going psycho becuase now your own persona is sort of buffered from the effects, like it's always on a backup.
I'm glad they've been improving 2077. It may not be a 10/10 game mainly due to too many bugs/oddities and some QoL improvements I'd like to see, but it doesn't have to be a full 10 to honestly be one of my favorite games of all time. I 'liked' it at launch, but 1.5 as I always say got me really hooked all year round. I know it must be hard to come back to it after all the bad press, but they must know they're sitting on some gold. I'd rather see the game improve than be pissed about the launch at the end of the day.
Duuude totally agreed there are things that need fixing I love your attitude of it doesn't have to be 10 outa 10 for me personally cp2077 is a solid 9/10 for me at launch I did do much as far as extra stuff or side quests just played through the story but even that was fantastic now I'm back on it and sucked in doing all the side missions I can and really fleshing out a character Stat wise that has trouble in a straight up fight but absolutely demolishes the stealth aspect this game has brought itself back in some amazing ways can't wait to see what they do
Is The 1.7 patch will be before or after the dlc ?
As Mike Pondsmith explained the Cyberpsychosis is a combination of over-cybering and PTS from killing/losing loved ones.
This could mean if you use Non-Lethal weapons (Bats, Baton, Pax mod, Molots Gas, Street Brawler weapons, NL takedown) they should have lower Crit values BUT you are not ending lives left n right and not lowering your Humanity rating.
Maybe even with a Gang reputation mechanic your not Maelstrom enemy #1 if you are leaving survivors.
Crimes need a Red Dead Redemption 2 style bounty system where you incur a bounty and can go pay it off before you get Edgerunners and Police patrols and if identified pursuits. You will get hunted by mercs/edgerunners, then cops, then better solos, then max tac etc unless you pay off your bounty.
If you paired this with a Humanity rating, Lower = Cyberpsycho chance event mechanic where V could get affected by cyberpsychosis unless expensively medicated or cyberware removed/ organics regrafted ... V could go NPC and control is out of your hands - start punching, stabbing, shooting (exemption for scripted in missions for devs sake). Would really ante up your stakes.
So is Adam Smasher not a cyberpsycho or is he a functional one? (Similar to that cyberpsycho girl that actually ended up joining MaxTac)
Let's hope this means they've learned for future projects to take the time it needs to finish the game before releasing it.
I don't know how you implement Cyberpsychosis in the game and make it fun, which is a key thing a lot of people seem to skip over. Everyone NPC/enemy turns into a mutated husk of a human, you kill everything and then it's game over? That sounds awful in a video game. What works in an anime or tabletop game doesn't always work in a video game. A lot of the suggestions I've seen sound fun one time as a cinematic moment and then like cheap annoying gimmicks after.
Also, I wonder if the quality and expertise of the Ripperdoc matters at all. David's ripperdoc seemed to be much less ethical and of lower quality compared to Viktor Vektor and most of the other ripperdocs in the game.
Yeah David's ripperdoc didnt even give him medication after surgery he really didnt care
I think for cyberphychosis you could hsve done some really cool stuff in game. Replace NPCs eith friendly named npcs imagine you enter the arasaka compound with takamura and you run into the long dead jacky wells scramble enemy health bars and slash or (Its a feature not a bug) when you kill someone you still see a blip on the radar and maybe it moves. So many ways the devs could have messed with the Hud if your humanity stat got too low
It'd be cool if it spilled over more in mundane stuff too. Walking down the road and regular civilian NPC's glitch into enemy NPC's charging you and you start racking up a wanted rating, believing you're defending yourself.
I kinda love the idea that Adam Smasher had the highest humanity to be able to transfer it all into machinery. 😅
Yeah, definitely one of a kind individual, too bad he kept himself sane with causing destruction 🤣
Older console ps4 xbox do have limitations as long as there are more people on 8th gen consoles it will be hard for cdpr to make record breaking sales fon the new expansions pack. One way to have pacifica east dmz conflict zone eould be to have pacifica war zone as it own map totally seperate from rest of night city
Thankfully they will have a much easier time developing the next game with unreal engine. That will free them up to explore and expand their games more.
I certainly hope that they will get another chance to built on what the first game was. Everything that went wrong and all that wasn't up to the created expectations, it's still a setting that I want to dive into again for more stories and adventures. I really wasn't sure if the (planned) franchise didn't die forever already until recently but there might be a real chance now. Don't blow it again, CDPR...
I would like to see an ending option in CP where if you ignored all romatic encounters, made (for lack of a better word) evil choices and maxed out your cyber capacity you would start hallucinating and eventually land in a barbaric fight with everyone.
I like that reminder that the game stats are aggregates of a wide range of aspects of you character.
It aligns the way people have been viewing it as a line you cross with the way CP2077 suggested that it isn't a single real disorder but a bunch of factors coming together and getting pigeonholed as "oh they just went cyberspycho".
4:19 I think based on what Pondsmith is saying, David went cyberpsycho because of the stress of losing Lucy. Prior to that, his found family was allowing him to stay mentally together, but the potential of losing Lucy would have dissolved his sense of family, making him susceptible to cyberpsychosis.
Fun fact, in the 2018 gameplay there was a humanity cost bar.
Does anyone have a link to the post by mike pondsmith?
check description under sources
@@LastKnownMeal I swear to God I did but I'll look again thanks
I believe V *is* a variation of cyberpsycho. According to Hellman, V shouldn't "see" and communicate with Johnny, cause he is Johnny trapped in a brain with leftover memories from some dead merc. So every time V speaks with Johhny (himself), he's basically losing his sanity and spiraling further into cyberpsychosis.
what is that Bike you got in the Video?
Jinx Arcane Livery and theme mod, it's pretty good
i have loved this game from the day it dropped. yes it had issues they over promised. but I'm happy the team is getting this recegance.
Belive on something or fall for anything (including cyberpsychosis)
"Remember, Remember...the Fifth of November...the gunpowder treason and plot...i see no reason.. Why the gunpowder treason.. Should ever be forgot." - johnny silverhand, arasaka tower, 2023.
Mike's legacy is in good hands. 2077 is great, Edgerunners too, and I personally love the You Have My Word comic. The dark future of Cyberpunk looks brighter than ever.
Usually, when things are stable and something bad happens, the hit is harder as is the stress.
What's the lore about the cyber psychosis quick hack? I feel like loading someone with cyberware isn't enough to make a person go psycho. Based on the description, sounds like getting mad with power. But what if all your cyberware wasn't weaponized augments. Just practical stuff like better eyes, better arms or better heart. No mantis blades or arm cannon launchers.
Never mind V fighting David I want to know between V and Lucy cause V is a Legend like David but he/she is also a good Netrunner hacker like Lucy and he/she also uses Mantis blades and hacking devices (according to the trailers and cover art) how ever Lucy hacks and uses those tether string thingys and can also pick pocket with out notice (not to mention she was good at hunting down other netrunners especially if they are looking for David, I wander how Corpo V was never found by Lucy during that time) I mean she could also end of being the person that gives V gigs to run and also a few big side quests
Because V has the relic in his head it goes to show that he / she is built different.
V is way above David and even saying that is crazy because David was insane with his immunity to Cyberpsychosis.
They're both insanely strong mentally, but V is way more mentally stable when we're talking about Cyberpsychosis. They both have very strong ideals which is why they could take on so many cybernetics without losing their minds outright.
David had his mum and later on his adopted family and love. V had his / her best friend (Jackie) and later on his / her adopted family (Jackie's mum and whatever path you choose). They're both human through and through which works out in the lore and table top game, they both have humanity.
Makes you wonder how Adam Smasher didn't go psycho. What made him have so much humanity?
That's the thing, his humanity was intact because he is a psycho by himself already, he doesn't have emotions so his body stays calm and focused through the process and plus he had best arasaka doctors with most expensive gear, sometimes designed just for him because he is a valuable asset to Arasaka
@@LastKnownMeal Yeah, I can see that. In his case being a metal beast was likely even a comfort to him. Scanning him in game I saw that he was 96% cybernetic. Wow! Only 4% human! Haha.
Maine's crew names should be added to the columbarium next (including Sasha).
I think the main difference between V and David are the way how they deal with grief and anger. V is very fatalistic, and every death of a friend is just another day in NC, you can be sad about it, but it can't hold you back. David, on the other hand, puts on a mask to push aside rough emotions, and ultimately crumbles when they come around to sucker punch him.
David also believes Lucy is lost to him. She was his rock. V, on the other hand, lost his/her crew, but gains a love interest who contacts you regularly and is invested in the life of V. So, develops something to ground V
I got 180 hours in Cyberpunk. I'm trying to %100 the game. It's such a good game. @LastKnownMeal how many hours do you have in Cyberpunk? I'm curious with all your playthroughs, what's your total hours heh 😊
WTF i've never seen that bike before, need to grab that. lmao
Also if we consider v n David v doesn’t have cybwate affinity he just had cheat code David had natural affinity which made David more special
I guess Ill throw in my two cent; David literally thought and said he was built different. He thought he was special. This heightened sense of ego was susceptible to and was attacked by, various stressors and traumas (culminating in the innocent womans murder) which managed to damage his ego so much his already slipping sanity gave way. V, on the other hand, was flat out desperate. In each lifepath they get screwed one way or another. And then enter the construct and Johnny. They *know* painfully, that theyre not special. That understanding I think *heightens* theyre ability to empathize with others and this resist the traumas and stressors that cause cyberpsychosis. In short, in not believing they were special, V became very special.
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i hate how people was trashing cyberpunk 2077 on launch but now since the new patch those same people are showing fake love. im very glad its getting the love and shine cyberpunk its getting and plus the anime series cyberpunk: edgerunners is a must watch 🙌
V doesn't really have any cyberware unless you choose to install it (besides the eye) and even then the game technically takes place in less a month overall before Johnny's chip kills him so even if V maxes out on cyberware that's not too much time for it to effect him mentally. David on other hand went to the max with cyberware over the course of years, at least seemingly. Not entirely sure of edge runners total story timeframe.
What bike is this?
I think it's called Kaneda Red Add On Vehicle Mod on Nexus Mods. Been a while since this video so forgot.
Tbh V before/ after us way milder than David’s (he got like double his width and got like .5 meters taller (before the mech) whereas vs biggest changes were legs and arms
I honestly just figure that V doesn't go cyberpsycho from more mods because their form of psychosis was turning into Jonny. Irl psychosis "a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality." And V physically being able to speak to and interact with a hallucination as if it were real is a clear sign of just that. Plus with the slow loss of their own personality makes it seem like that was the intention. V does go more cyberpsycho throughout the game but their's manifested differently than others
I really hope we get another season
Agreed, they could flesh out characters in the lore or create entirely new stories. Honestly, I hope this paves the way for some more shadowrun games.
I wish they added something for Cyberphycosis in the game simply due to the fact the last boss fight on the hardest difficulty is a cake walk, Its hardly even a challenge and this guys supposed to be the best of the best with the latest gear(minus the sandevistan for some reason?!??!!) but is still shooting you with a nerf gun.
Cdpr should have just put in humanity as a stat and based on your game choices and slotted cyberware you couldn't add more or had to take something out. It wouldn't have been that big a deal and may have added an additional build layer.
That said V is not David or Atom Smasher. You can kit him out every slot and he still looks mostly human, has a normal build, etc etc. He wasn't doing total body mods which David did.
Soooo this is just my 15 cents
(damn inflation) or kinda my own head cannon....
But in the game out of the legendary cyberware that has skill requirements, you can't get them all. You have to end up sacrificing something to get another even with min maxing. Because you can't get all the legendary cyberware that's the in game reasoning why you the player don't go psycho.
I feel like it's more a measure of trauma, mental and physical, and it stacks, and is always ticking upwards, it can lower temporarily with calm/happy moments, but it's inevitable. Doesn't really explain Adam Smasher though.
If you took a regular psycho, and then chromed him out, that’s Adam Smadger
Great videos man, thanks for the content.
One thing though: did anyone already tell you that your microphone sound is low? I have to turn up the sound almost at maximum to hear your videos without a headset/headphone.
Thanks for watching, my video audio is good, it's tested on both speakers and headphones plus it's the max it goes without ruining the audio. And it's all in the correct audio range so it's most likely on your end.
@@LastKnownMeal it's strange because it only happens in your videos. Anyway, nothing that is going to keep me from watching! Tks
It’s sad that they can’t say anything about the ppl in charge changing the game to feature WAY MORE of Johnny than it originally did and having to change TONS of the game way too close to the release date.
The best thing about Cyberpunk 2077 is the universe and Night City itself. While it is a good story and well acted I feel like the story is way too focused on Johnny and V. It needed to be more sandboxy with more focus on just creating your own story, doing jobs, maybe creating a squad, having more rpg elements, more chrome customization along with a humanity/cyberpsychosis system and just generally living in and interacting with Night City without the looming thought of my character is dying over time. Just my opinion
my friend and I often joke about the clouds scene, granted you can't really progress further through all the dialouge trees you will eventually have to say your safeword but, the joke is "Everyone else goes to the clouds to get off, V goes and gets therapy" maybe that helps too, idk
V can totally go cyber psycho. When I play, it starts happening as soon as I get mantis blades. And then Sandevistan, omg I'm killing everything in sight lol.
I think its good that Cyberpsychosis is not a problem for V in CP2077 and thus not a game mechanic , as interesting as it may sound , i think its already annoying (but also interesting) enough to have to deal with Johnny and the Relic Malfunctions.
As a modder and a huge fan of Immersive Sims , i would rather add a good Survival Mode which enforces hunger , thirst , sleep mechanics instead of having a mechanic that enforces loss of control and / or adds more annoying visual glitches.
All this just makes me respect Morgan Blackhand more and more.
Imo the humanity system is depressing in the ttrpg because as far as I've been able to tell you only lose humanity ( someone correct me if I'm wrong because this has stopped me from playing )
i like the theory that cyberpsychosis in the game is from that blue-eyed man's group (the guys with the rings) trying to brainwash people as they did with the Peralez. also connects to how the dolls feel like they're having a bout of cyberpsychosis when they use the doll implant (which takes over their body/mind control). speaking of, reminds me of what happens to V huh... I guess we're just a strange version of cyberpsychosis, perhaps.
i don't know much about the ttrpg but i think its different there, more like in edgrunners. imo they should either separate the canon on that, or come up with a different explanation for the mind control connections
Perhaps CDPR should have put a humanity stat in. There's room for it on the character screen. It starts a 2 and is treated the same as every other stat but without the skills. When you level up you have to decide between having more cyberware capacity and upgrading your other stats. If it reaches zero perhaps roll a hidden die every hour and on a certain number (such as a 1 on a d20) have every character model turn hostile, and because you're shooting civilians (that aren't actually attacking you but you think they are), MaxTac shows up and does what they do best.
Cyberware could then be buffed I think, but in my opinion, it's fine the way it is.
Where is that motorcycle?
This is Edgerunners Yaiba repaint mod which makes the bike look like this
V's not that much older than David. 4 years older to be exact. V is 23 years old during the events of CP2077. As of Patch 2.0, V's Date of Birth for both Male and Female was changed to what it was supposed to be all along. 12 Oct 2053. You can see it on the Character creation screen when you're selecting Gender and Body type.