Cyberpunk Strength and Power Tier List
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- What's up chooms? This video ranks the characters from the video game cyberpunk 2077 and the anime cyberpunk edgerunners in terms of strength and power. Make sure to watch the whole video and spread it around so I can make as many eddies as possible!
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V must have his own tier. Solo raiding arasaka and obliterating everything + Adam Smasher while being half dead is an insane feat.
Spoilers for phantom liberty
Song bird should be above that. At her top no one would be able to touch her.
@@MrOXSX also spoilers for PL, V also gain the Blackwall hack power deck so i dont think Song still a threat to V anymore and V is way faster so she can just slice Song head off before she can even do anything ,as i said V is the most OP character in Cyberpunk universe by the end of the game .
He would stomp Somi no cappity cap@@duykhanhcloud6866
@@MrOXSXdebatable if she is stronger than V. Songbird is definitely not stronger than Alt as well
@@MrOXSX you are forgetting Alt again. While Songbird was able to hack the whole stadium, it took a heavy toll on her. Alt on other hand, after being jacked into Mikoshi takes control of the whole building as if its nothing. She could do it all day without batting an eye. Songbird dabbled across blackwall. Alt lived in it. That makes her a class apart. Alt as an AI transcended the limitations of a physical form.
Morgan Blackhand isn't in the anime or game, but he is mentioned multiple times and implied to be above or at least equal to Adam Smasher.
Yeah I heard about him when doing research for this video. He would definitely be legend tier.
Maybe he’ll be in Seaosn 2 of Edgerunners if there is one
@@Mo_Murda Or possibly in the DLC coming out for the game.
@@weeaboo-warrior even better
I wouldn’t say he’s “above” Smasher because Smasher has unmatched raw power, especially in 2077, but Morgan is more clever and resourceful and that allows him to close the gap.
They fought and stalemated in Arasaka tower during Johnny’s attack, that is how Johnny had the time to get to the roof before Smasher caught back up.
Morgan is also far more respected due to his work ethic, he values life very highly and is basically the anti to Smasher’s “metal over meat” mentality. If someone doesn’t have to die then he will not kill them, even going as far as using non lethal rounds on gigs.
I disagree with Johnny being that high. He was strong enough to break into Arasaka tower, but his ego is so astronomically large that it's likely that his *memory* of that event, which is specifically what we experience, is greatly exaggerated.
Yeah his memories might have been exaggerated, but it's really the only thing we have to go off of, and we at bare minimum know he killed Akira, who is a high level body guard with a Sandevistan. That should at least make him around high tier, or at the absolute lowest mid tier if you want to argue Akira isn't as high as I put him.
@@weeaboo-warrior Cyberpunk 2020 and RED have word of god retelling of the events by Mike Pondsmith. Given he's already confirmed their in the same timeline, the events of those books ARE cannon
@@weeaboo-warrior alt literally mentioned that his memories are fake. idk johny doesn't have any high tech implants (guess at that time noone does) like berserk sandy or cyberdeck, even kerenzikov
@@user-jh9nw6bz6f true? Though he does have a full mech arm and one of the strongest pistols in the game .
@@weeaboo-warrior yes when you say to alt "i saw johny memories" in your first meeting, she said that they are far from reality. and some smart guys said here in comments that there should be 1 more guy at least.
about pistol is true, but arm is meh, ingame he didn't even used it as well with logic going to melee without reflex booster implant is not a good idea, especially when you have imba gun (for that time).
It is best to keep in mind that Takemura had all his cyberware disabled because Arasaka kicked him out. I think that Tak will go toe-to-toe with Smasher if he had all his cyberware enabled. He, after all, was the protector of the emperor. Who knows what cyberware he had.
Yeah I mentioned that. I do think it would make sense for him to be Smasher level since he was guarding the top of Arasaka, he just doesn't have the feats to back it up. But I do think he should at bare minimum be Oda level, which is why I placed him as high as I did despite his lack of feats.
@@weeaboo-warrior agree. I remember Tak mentioning he could Zero Oda even in his current state.
Nah Smasher is next level compared to basically everyone except Morgan Blackhand going by the TTRPG, and V going by 2077. Oda technically had the same job as Smasher but Smasher was still regarded as Arasaka’s head of security, he’s a tier above every other bodyguard.
I don't think tak could beat Adam however maybe bring up a good fight but I believe for sure she can zero oda
@@Nezxmi Stat wise Andrew Weyland had better stats in the TTRPG iirc than Morgan and some better gear. Morgan had more style and flash though. Not to say Morgan was a pushover just that raw power isn't necessarily how you should rate characters in the Cyberpunk universe Rache Bartmoss is still the uncontested most powerful if we want to talk about raw effects on the world and as I posted somewhere else we don't even know if he's dead dead or possibly could have escaped like Alt did. He was definitely capable of it but we'd need to know more to confirm one way or the other. I mean his death is pretty inconsistent in the books and he was a close peripheral of Spider who at one point had access to soulkiller itself so its not out of the question that he could be hiding beyond the blackwall cooking up something to finish what he started when he unleashed the RABIDs.
There’s a lot of implications that Johnny’s memories are actually false, and are skewed so he appears as the hero since that’s how he sees himself. For instance, canonically it was Morgan Blackhand who placed the nuke in Arasaka Tower and he fought Smasher on the rooftop, not Johnny. Blackhand was also Smasher’s main rival, not Johnny.
THIS ! Actually someone who know this ! Johnny is not a legend for his fighting skill but because he was THE ultimate Rockerboy. Any solo could 1v1 Johnny pretty easily because he may have basic fighting skills, he's not a warrior
@@VoklarenStudio Basically the ultimate bard. He can woo enough and get the most insane plans somehow working.
@@VoklarenStudio Exactly. Johnny was never a solo.
Johnny's like Dandelion in The Witcher
@@VoklarenStudio Johnny is 100% a warrior. He fought in Nicaragua and canonically had a Sandevistan.
I fell like Rebecca should be in mid at least, because she is the only character out of everyone who dual wielded carnage shotguns with high accuracy, but otherwise a great list.
Idk she was about to get snuffed out by the hobo ass cyberpsycho but was saved by her crew. She’s too hot headed and gets taken out early in most situations due to it
The face that when I got Guts and fired it, I got the impression that V was barely able to fire it off with each shot.
"Not being able to damage Adam Smasher" shouldn't be really held against her either, since no one in the anime could lay a finger on him. Even David got his shit absolutely rocked by Smasher.
Only after her arm upgrades tho.
Still useless if she fought against people who had bullet proof
The thing about being OP when playing as Johnny is it's not very lore accurate since your seeing things happen in his warped perspective. Alt says it when you first meet her that the events Johnny recount aren't what actually happened, like the attack on the tower he wasn't the lead man on that he was just a tag along.
Not really. The flash back is being relived through Vs prospective actually. V and Jhonny's memories bleed together.
Yup. It was Morgan Blackhand who did the majority of all that as well as being Smasher’s main rival, not Johnny
The thing about the games is that they're set in an alternate canon, wherein silverhand and backhand (and their feats) are sorta merged into one.
@@Arkimedus no same cannon but in the attack blackhand was fighting from the bottom floor while Johnny was at the top
@@Arkimedus same universe, just Johnnys memories aren't reliable
V is actually top of the top when you think about based off their canonical abilities. Regardless of choice of cyberware, you can deck them out with cyberware in every part of his body, and post 2.0, you can even enhance that cyberware due to the relic, which takes the load of that cyberware, thanks to its abilities. On top of all that, cyberpsychosis is almost impossible for V. They’ve taken on so many legends and came out unscathed as ever, and I don’t think anyone else on this list can do a solo assault on Arasaka tower, and not die. Hell, the only way V does die is because of soul killer technically, and natural causes because of the relic.
At this pace you could tierlist your tierlists and I would give it a like...
I actually thought of that before, lmao.
Johny was placed too high. Remember, Alt said that the events we say were recreations created by Johnny's memories and that they don't even resemble the real events. And if you played through that mission in the TTRP, then you would know that rouge is alot stronger than Johnny.
You should really add some more characters in this list. Morgan Blackhand, Andrew Weyland, Rache Bartmoss. To name a few
David was built different but V is special, probably due to the chip but still took down Adam
Characters like David, Adam and Blackhand are built different but V's a god.
@Vominomi we don't know that it did or didn't buff V. I honestly don't know how else you explain V not succumbing to cyber psychosis any other way. If you have evidence saying other wise I'd like to see it.
@@vominomi wdym doesn't have that much cyberware lol have you look at the game's equipment list? bro has cyberware in every organ of the body from skeleton to lungs to heart to skin. Just because V looks humanoid doesn't mean he is.
@@vominomi The chip did buff V greatly. David had in total 12 implants including the Cyber Skeleton and he was considered having significantly higher threshold than normal. In the game, a full build V can have up to 22 implants which is retardedly overpowered, and still has almost no sign of cyber psychosis unlike David. Many people believe that the reason V could take so many implants is due to having Johny sharing the mental burden and I think that's the most logical explaination.
Relic doesn’t buff V that much. Could get all them cyberware slots filled up pre-Konpeki heist if you do all the NCPD scanner missions and gigs in Watson.
No relic V fucks up David regardless.
Would love to see an updated version of this list with the characters from the broader Cyberpunk lore. People like Morgan Blackhand, Rache Bartmoss, Santiago, etc.
I mean i dont remember much about them exept morgan but they are kinda featless so its hard to say and technology becomes stronger so its hard to say
@@barni4233 bro said bartmoss has no feats 💀
@@tinders9435 i just dont remembet him im just saying legends like morgan are kinda featless with just statementd
I want to see where Bag Lady would be placed
@@barni4233 Feats:
Bartmoss: Almost singlehandedly destroyed the net in a day using the RABIDS virus. In fact, his achievement is probably the greatest in Cyberpunk history in terms of impact, well capable of being a humanity ending event as all with the military AIs going rogue and it literally set technology in the Cyberpunk universe back by a century temporarily.
Morgan Blackhand: Arch Nemesis of Adam Smasher and the Solo of Solos. Fights Adam Smasher on Arasaka Tower, implied to have won.
Santiago: Fought alongside Johnny, Rogue, and Thompson on the earlier raid on Arasaka Tower to rescue Alt Cunningham.
Morgan Blackhand should always be on a legend tier.
Love these random tier lists^
This vid is actually what made me find out about the cyberpunk anime, but anyways good vid agree with most of the options and I didn’t forget
Day smth of asking for demon slayer tier list
Well made video!!!! Keep up the good work choom!!!!!!
thank you!
I think this tier list misses a few spots, so Ill give you my thoughts on it to see whats your take on this things:
1- Im pretty certain Rebecca is Mid tier. As a low tier cyber, she wouldnt have made it alive all the way to the end in David's team. David's team became the BEST cyberpunk team during his time. So not taking this under consideration is a miss.
2- Lucy is DEFINITIVELY high tier. It is shown all throughout the anime that she was able not only to hack into Arasaka ices, but she took down every single other netrunner that was thrown at her. She also had decent hand to hand abilities, so if this doesnt puts her in high tier, I dont know what does. Not being able to hack Adam Smasher is one thing; hes a freaking LEGEND, one of the three most prominent cybers in the lore. This wouldnt put her in mid tier out of that!
3- Morgan Blackhand NEEDS to be in the Legend tier. He is the only other cyber considered to be just as powerful as Adam Smasher in the lore, and discussed by many to be even MORE powerful than him.
4- Johnny Silverhand is NOT elite, he was also a Legend. People lower him because he died against Smasher; again, a big misconception IMO. Johnny was an incredible gunslinger, a top cyber ops, and he was able to freaking take down Arasaka tower and fight Smasher while at it. The mere fact he has a drink by his name in the Afterlife takes absolutely any type of consideration to put him lower out; only legends make it into those drinks, nuff said.
5-Delamain is a completely run AI service with so much cybergear on its cabs, that its able to stand on its own against police, maxtac, arasaka and militech. I think you GROSSLY underestimated their combat capabilities.
Those are my 5 cents :) Fun tier list to look at
The thing with Johnny taking down the Tower, is that you could argue that Rogue could do the same feat had she simply been carrying the bomb. And the power gap between Johnny and Rogue is pretty large. Taking down the Tower was a multi person team effort, and Johnny offered nothing of substance to it. Even in the game, it was hinted that another crew was distracting Arasaka, and they were able to drop the bomb in before Arasaka could react. And when they did react, the got Johnny killed, lol. Rogue realistically could have been in Johnny's shoes and accomplished the same.
@@nauscakes1868 I think you misunderstand; yes its a feat that was done thanks to multiple people helping, but that doesnt changes the fact that Johnny went into the tower and was a vanguard, him and rogue, alone the both of them. Now, you might think thats no big deal, and Id say you have to take under consideration that every Arasaka guard in the company is already at least, MINIMUM, a force to be reckoned with since they are enhanced by arasaka to guard their stations. Johnny was able to infiltrate that tower, along with rogue, on his own. Plus, if you remember the flashback in the game, he actually went head to head against Smasher and still lived to get away from him long enough to reach his helicopter and for rogue to escape: all this with Smasher having BACKUP by Arasaka guards. You very much underestimate this feat if you tell me you that he only made it simply because of team effort :p
Again, you dont get a drink named after you unless people consider you a legend. Johnny was one :p
@@blkwng Johnny was never considered a legend because of his feats of combat, but because of his influence, charisma and magnetism. I personally misbelieve most of Johnny's "memories" in game, but his real feat was being able to convince some of the best netrunners and edgerunners during his time to walk into 'Saka tower with a WMD. If you're purely talking about combat scaling like this tier list is, he's well below the tier he's in.
@@VodkaHellstorm Taking under consideration what i mentioned before on his feats on entering arasaka tower, how do you arrive to this conclusion? Let's take a very easy comparison: V at lvl 50 can one shot enemies as a gunslinger. If you remember Johnny's memories, he was one shooting enemies for around 100k dmg as well. So again, how is he on a lower league when being compared in terms of power? And if youre going to disbelief the memories shown in game, thats just biased then. We might as well disbelieve everything presented to us. Facts given to us cant just be thrown under the table just to accommodate an opinion. Taking his damage in game under consideration definitively shows he's at top tier power level.
@@blkwng Look I'm not going to really say anything that other comments haven't already said that you're sorta repeating the same arguments back at me even after seeing, but I'll give it a shot. Alt straight-up says that Johnny altered his memories, so there's at least an equal argument to whether you believe Alt or Johnny, so the bias argument holds no water. Besides that, do you really believe that Shaitan, a full-borg, gets one-shot on the door gun, so Johnny heroically takes over and kills everyone with pinpoint accuracy? The only other full-borg that we see is Smasher who, even if Johnny altered his memories to make himself look better, even then still absolutely bodies Johnny with barely a contest at 'Saka tower. Alt's story checks out more for me, especially when you consider that Johnny is definitely the type of guy to remember things differently to boost his own ego. You've never told yourself a lie so many times you start to believe it?
We also have to take into consideration that we, as the player, are technically controlling Johnny in that instance, so an experienced gamer is going to make Johnny look a lot more competent than someone who has just picked up their first video game. Did Johnny really stop in the zen-garden to jink about wildly while trying to input the Konami code? I doubt it. That doesn't disprove that the memory happened, it's just another reason that it shouldn't be taken as a verbatim recount of the event.
Damage in the game also doesn't mean much given that there's pre-established lore on Silverhand from the TTRP and other sources. Besides that, the 'Saka tower assault takes place more than 50 years before the events of the game. The tech Johnny has access to is certainly not going to be nearly as good as what we have in 2077, and likewise the Arasaka goons he fights in that flashback aren't going to have access to the same gear either. On top of that, health and damage numbers literally change with difficulty, which is why you almost never see any arguments in any fandom over power scaling take into account in-game damage numbers. The entirety of V's scaling in the fanbase comes from them defeating Smasher, who easily merks exo-suit David, Johnny Silverhand and likely fights Blackhand to at least near a stalemate, and has enough left in the tank to go and easily wreck Johnny straight after that fight with Blackhand.
The drink argument also means basically jack shit, given that Jackie gets his own drink on the menu despite being honestly a pretty mediocre at best edgerunner. Why does he get his drink? Because of his qualities. Heart, determination, loyalty, ambition. Johnny, in his time, exists alongside three of the best netrunners to ever exist in Alt, Rache and Spider Murphy, the best person at getting shit done in Rogue, and the best Solos in Morgan Blackhand and Adam Smasher. In no established lore or even speculative lore does Johnny scale remotely close to any of those people. But that's ok. His strength is in his conviction, his style, his ego, and his charisma in managing to get all those people (aside from Smasher) together working toward common goals. There's nothing wrong with him being a lovable dickhead. In fact, I'd argue having the most strong-willed out of all those characters (besides maybe Bartmoss) be a comparatively weaker combatant and a deeply flawed individual is actually an example of good writing. Just because he can't one-inch punch a hole through a building doesn't make Johnny less of a legend, but this video is about power-scaling.
You are forgetting someone and he is the legendary solo Morgan Blackhand and we know that he is still alive and he is the most famous out of all of them including Alt. Adam Smasher is his rival. But Morgan Blackhand's humanity is what made him the best in the business and he uses non-lethal means to complete his missions.
Morgan may be alive but he's also very old in 2077. Adam is a cyborg, so you can't see how old he is, but Morgan was a human with a metal arm.
@@labret2 Not maybe. He is still alive. There is a news report within Cyberpunk 2077 of a group of corpo mercs who were taken down and one of them said that the one that attacked them had a metal black arm(only one person in the whole Cyberpunk Universe has a blackhand). Morgan is 100 years old. But he only takes jobs that he wants and even if he has an army in front of him he will use non-lethal takedowns(that is one of the reasons why he is/still is the top solo even at that advanced age) and also remember this world is ran by megacorprations and they have augmentations that can make a human live longer.
Also Adam Smasher is not a cyborg. But a full borg(the only thing that is still human is his brain and that is it) and even before he was made into a machine. Adam had very little to no humanity in him while he was human and that is why Adam Smasher is the manifestation of the monster who views humans as nothing but meat and his rival Morgan Blackhand is the manifestation of the human who sees humanity as something worth keeping.
Not to mention that The Emperor Saburo was 153 years old and yet he looked like a man who was in his late 70s(that is Cyberpunk for ya). Also there is no drink named after Morgan in Afterlife and ever legend of Night City gets that honor and Morgan being the legendary solo not have a drink named after him means one of two things(he is alive somewhere or the Afterlife owners are morons and forgot, which I do not see that happening especially considering that they named Johnny Silverhand's drink, whom would be 88 years old in engram form).
@@JustTooDamnHonest bro lmao you forgot about Mitch he's got a black arm too
@@syllet2694 Morgan Blackhand(he only does high end jobs as well) and the news spoke to a guard who was the only survivor that saw a man who take down a small battalion(around 30 to 40) Lazarus Agents all on his own and he had a Blackhand. That individual did all that(Yeah Mitch can barely hold his own against a single squad of cops let alone Lazarus Agents).
@@JustTooDamnHonest they need to make Mitch the new Morgan Blackhand lmao
Really enjoyed this list
Glad you enjoyed it!
When we heard Jackie and Panam I think we all started crying (And definitely started crying with the anime characters.)
Panam isn’t dead tho?
You forgot Morgan Blackhand, tho he is only mentioned in the game. Though I think he will be added in the next update, as Claire said "he hasn't decided if he's dead or not" when Jackie asks about the lack of a drink. That and there's art of some with a black arm and mention of a guy with a black arm in a report.
Blackhand is lorewise considered one of the few equals to smasher. SO much so, it pisses the borg out.
I love how in the game we are blatantly told by Alt that Johnny's memories bare no resemblance to reality yet people still think he's comparable to other legendary solos.
The dude was a chump who was such an egomaniac who couldn't accept that he was a chump and had to reimagine himself going out like a badass.
If you want am example of just how altered his memories are, Arasaka wasn't the one who used soulkiller on him, it was Spider Murphy, that entire scene is a complete fabrication.
Agree and Johnny was not special also, he became Engram not because they wanted Johnny but because they know that he had information on Alt. After this Arasaka probably would erase him or throw to garbage.
I feel Morgan Blackhand would be on here in Legend tier but we never see him sadly. GREAT list
Honestly I agree with all of this except I think Johnny silverhand should be at the bottom of elite behind David since he pretty much got one shot by Adam, and I feel like fully decked David should be top of elite since he couldn’t really even put up a fight against Adam smasher
it was perfect down to the last minute. Perfect
Johnny Silverhand should be High tier at most.
Compared to the rest of the crew hired by Militech to nuke Arasaka tower, he was just a dude with a gun.
His flashback memories are his subjective views of his the events at the assault Arasaka Tower which by the way is led by Morgan Blackhand, not Johnny
He might have still had corpo soldier enhancements in him after he deserted the corpo army he was enlisted in when he was younger during the mexican conflict. that might make him physically better than most since they’re military implants
who else was with him at the raid? i've only played a game
@@user-jh9nw6bz6f rogue and spider murphy went with johnny and that one guy shaitan or something got killed while on the turret, other accounts say morgan blackhand was in the tower too but maybe he entered another way to do his own objective simultaneously in the there while johnny entered by roof to set up his nuke and upload something to the subnet with the help of murphy
@@jingleding9002 That's why I said he should be High Tier at best but obviously not better than Takemura
i mean its still reasonable to think hes up there. I dont think militech would hire a dude with a gun for a job that big. He has to have some sort of positive.
I don’t think David and Adam smasher would be the same level with V lol
i still think they did adam dirty in the game, by the end you could beat him down with your bare hands with only the mandatory kiroshi eye implants.
V is the DOOMGUY of Night City
A scary thought would be if alt used a nueral synchronization device similar to that of the twins to create a clone of herself by overwriting someone's consciousness and then synchronizing the physical and the virtual Alt together... becoming an unstoppable all knowing entity that can absorb anyone into her hive mind and controlling everything in both real and virtual space.
Would a organic frame even be able to handle the amount of data the current AI Alt processes? She would probably fry any brain she tried to sync with.
Wouldn’t be surprised if she herself would use the relic chip to create a constant connection with a body she’s taken over in the real
I think Falco deserves a bit more credit maybe up to the next rank look at the way he drives like god dam
Was hoping for this sometime soon thank you🙏🏾
You are very welcome.
Totally nova list, choom!
Thanks choom!
Yo your tier list are darn good bro since we dont have many jojo power scaling tier lists you can try to do one i really would love a jojo tier list from your tier list power scaling. Would appreciate bro😩
Jojo’s is probably going to be my next one. I’m going to do a tier list for each part.
Johnny's a interesting character. Knowing the TTRPG story and what we know of him in 2077, he's not the legend we think him to be in the eyes of V. Canonically, he's an able fighter. Having fought in the army in Nicaragua, being chipped with a Sandevistan and being a Solo for Militech in the assault on Arasaka tower next to Morgan Blackhand.
Also, in lore, no one knows what happened to him. As his involvement, and everyone elses', in the Arasaka tower bombing was covered after the Fourth Corporate War. He also died rather quickly after engaging Smasher. It was also Spider Murphy who created his engram, not Arasaka. So, he's a legend in the sense that he started the Rockerboy movement, he was a Central America Veteran and a more than able Solo. But not for the Arasaka bombing.
The reason we don't know anything about Morgan in the game is because Mike Pondsmith asked CDPR not to include him as he already has plans for him. Morgan is also officially missing after the assault on Arasaka.
Good video ( coming from you're Homelander vs Brightburn vid which is pure fax, Homelander underatted too much )
Thanks
@@weeaboo-warrior ye also can you give me you're diord id
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Dude my V is so OP that I took out all my gear and only have my Satori katana and a knife to throw it. I am so excited for the dlc in 2023 and hope we get some new cyberware
Alt at the end is understandable, I would put here higher on a list as well since technically she is omnipotent at that point, she might not have a physical body but since anything and everything is connected in the world she could technically take over any machine or even a person like smasher that is 90% machine at that point.
She was still unable to get into Mikoshi on her own. Dont get me wrong, she is too dangerous to be dealing with(Hence why I feel the endings of the game so bland, like I either sell my soul to Arasaka or let the most dangerous AI/Being on the planet into the subnet of the most dangerous corporation, what can go wrong?) but she is not all powerful YET. She becomes stronger after the game ends(If she gets into Mikoshi that is). But even during the Arasaka run she still had to divert her attention temporarily to deal with Arasaka outside netrunner attack(Even though she completely broke trough Arasaka ICE in seconds with an access point). Besides that, as said before, she is incapable of breaching Arasaka's systems all at once on her own. I would even say that Net Watch as a whole(Not any individual runner but their combined effort) is still a dangerous opponent for her.
You ranked some of the fast characters in pretty high tiers but i killed them way too easily in the game on my first playthrough. I didn't even notice the white jacket guy as a boss i just thought he was a fast guy
Here are some Legend tier levels who weren’t mentioned.
Morgan Blackhand, Andrew Weyland, and Kenichi Zaburo.
I didn’t include any netrunners since they deserve a whole other tier.
I don’t think David should be in the same tier as V and Adam, otherwise good list
Fr V is league's above Davide due to the chip in his head he's pretty much immune to becoming a cyber psycho mans even took a bullet to the head
@@PROPAINZERO Hes much older too and have much more experince than david
@@kinga.t.242 he/she might have like 4 or 5 years on Davide probably
David is on the same tier as V because he's wearing hat freaking exoskeleton. Whitout he's nowhere near the legend tier.
@@PROPAINZEROv is basically immune to dying from quick hacks as well anytime v is able to die to a simple short circuit is when he’s connected to the source of it or it’s from the relic itself
It almost feels like there's a gap between V and the entire verse
This is like.. The only tier-list where I agreed with every selection. Missing Morgan Blackhand and Rache Bartmoss. But since they are barely shown/mentioned in 2077 and Edgerunners. I get it. But other than that. Amazing tier-list.
Damn, i grinded so hard to make my V doomguy so i could kill most of the npc and boss in less than 10 hits. Never know most of these guys i fought had a Sandevistan (beside some gonkd dodged bullets). Also thought it was supposed to be special and only a small amount of people had it, in the anime, the Cyberpsycho, David and Adam was the only 3 that used Sandevistan, actually, i never know Adam had a Sandevistan lol.
adam only has one in edgerunners and its not just a game mechanic that you can get them from basically any ripperdoc
The Sandevistan David had was military grade. They still sell civilian approved Sandevistan's though they aren't as op as David's
@@jpf7942 yeah
@@jpf7942 the miltiech falcon mk5 requires 20 reflex slows time by 30% for 18 seconds and has 3 upgrade slots and it's just ok
@@LlamaCraft the qiant mk4 + monowires is absolutely broken, slows time to 25% for 15 secs, takes 15 secs to recharge, if coupled with heatsink, nanorelays and cooldown reducing upgrades you can go into sandevistan every 6 secs, literally broken, i tell ya
Rogue should be much higher due to her tabletop stats, but yeah, she's not in her prime in the game. I guess she lost most of her cyberware and maybe some field abilities by 2077.
In 2020s Rogue was refereed to as one of NC best and most influential solos on par with Morgan Blackhand. Her tabletop info also includes Sandevistan, inhuman reflexes (She actually has more REF than base Blackhand), highest possible pistol and rifle skills and other military implants.
She was also the member of main TTRPG team and she's the only survivor of it (Silverhand, Thompson, Shaitan didn't make it, Blackhand is MIA)
So I believe Prime Rogue would easily be an Elite tier minimum, definitely higher than Johnny, who canonically was oneshotted by Smasher and has much lower stats.
Also it's funny how you didn't even include River, poor guy :D
Other than that, great video!
Oh yeah, forgot about River, lol. He would probably be low tier as well.
All I got to say is v better be legend
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You know I like and agree with a lot of your lists, however I gotta say David is not on the same tier even remotely to V, it took an enhanced cyberskeleton made FOR Adam smasher to even approach him (for David) and in their actual fight between smasher, smasher casually pulled him apart and practically one shot him with a punch. I also think Pilar should be WELL above Jackie, while he’s by far the best choom, Jackie had zero cyberware pretty much, just fashionware, and in the heist he states he doesn’t even have basic up to date operating systems installed, and Pilar could knock out two scavengers, who are almost as dangerous (and scarier in my opinion) as maelstrom, who individually usually always have boostware, and light subdermal armor. Honestly David’s bully whose using strong arms (a custom sub-variant of gorilla arms) would likely beat Jackie in a fist fight.
Can't wait for the sequel about John Cyberpunk!!
Definitely feel like Panam should be higher. Even being capable of standing and to some extent participating in a battle between Smasher & V deserves some major recognition.
You know I never thought of Alt being a contender for the best merc in Night City, but if you think about it yea she’s pretty damn powerful, the only thing hindering her is having no form in the real world, just digital.
Julio, forever in my mind as the guy voiced by the English VA for Eren Jeager, and nothing else.
Could you do the Mass Effect Universe? theres no one out there that did it, while the story also focuses on power (like biotics) or power between different species, reapers, etc. would love that
Gr8 vid
Delamain should be a lot higher, being from beyond the black wall says a lot. There’s a reason why the Blackwall exists. Other than that tho it’s a pretty good list
Attempt #2: Can you make a Karate Kid/Cobra Kai tier list, featuring all characters feared in the franchise and for some can you have the ages they appeared in that movie as separate characters??
Tier name ideas:
E: Beginner’s Luck
D: Slightly experienced
C: Black
B: Champion
A: Sensei
S: Master Sensei
V should have just another category.
he smash adam smasher like it was nothing, lol
Are we forgetting the fact that delamain somehow bypassed the fkin black wall? A firewall designed to keep ANY AI from the net?
Songbird would probably have her own tier. She may not be anywhere NEAR as strong as V physically, but her power over him/her specifically (can cancel out his/her cyberware due to her connection to the relic and the black wall) puts her high up simply because she is the only being that verse that is capable of taking down V. I feel like V would have no sweat on defeating a rogue black wall powered Songbird IF she didn't have so much control over the relic. Would rank her above David, below Smasher in power, but above V if we're specifically talking him/her. All of that control over the relic is simply too strong.
Shit I dunno. She’s a really talented runner, maybe just slightly below Alt. In the game, she had opportunities to flatline V but I think she just didn’t because she sees V as a friend. Even without relic control, you’ve seen what her blackwall hacks can do to people. Don’t think V or Smasher could stop that, relic and hidden Arasaka tech considered. Blackwall AI are apocalyptic, essentially elder gods while our legends are still only mortal.
@@ogcripwalker69 The reason she doesn't flatline V is because she needs him. Without V she's a dead woman
Dont you get some type/variation of blackwall quick hack in the DLC? If so, then post DLC V probably could hold his ground.
"With her string like weapon" 💀
Good list, but your missing characters from the pen and paper like Morgan Blackhand, Susan Forest, Boa Boa, Rache Bartmoss, and a lot more characters that are considered high tier.
I'd also like to see a weapon tier list.Saburo Arasaka's blade Satori is def SS choom
That rebecca picture next to Saul. Zamn
I can’t believe you put David on the same level as V and Adam smasher you must have not watched Edgerunners
That's David with the exoskeleton before getting tired.
Damn, would have loved to have seen Rache Bartmoss in the list and some other good characters. But other then that the list was really good.
After Phantom Liberty, So Mi earned a place in the top tier too. Her ability to use the Blackwall protocol is far beyond Lucy's capabilities and she managed to destroy crawlers so strong that even Smasher would had trouble against them. In Killing Moon, we saw how strong she is even when she was pretty over her limit and almost died. Cyberpsycho So Mi showed the truth raw power bind in her. Not even Smasher could easily win against her in this state. It also showed how strong the rogue AIs are and that proved how overwhelming her abilities must be to withstand this for so long. V can get the cyberdeck to control the Blackwall protocol too which is one of the strongest versions of V but V does not have all these chroom to exploit as much as possible. With her chrome, V would reach a complete new level.
11:40 its optical camouflage, v can buy it too. its skin cyberware and is incredibly op so much that i didn't used it :(
llucy deserved better btw. all netrunners should be at high because of their capabilities, they could literally blow your had from home but she even on another level
and alt was able to blow fking satellite in rogue ending, she IS able to interact with physical world because johnny freed her from arasaka
Morgan black , bartmoss, Solomon reed, spider Murphy if u do another one of these u should add the table top character they strong asf too
I personally do think that both Kiwi and Lucy should be one tier up. They can take out pretty much anyone without advanced ICE. I also do want to mention another legend named Rache Bartmoss. He was the best runner the cyberpunk verse ever had. Hes the cause of the Data Krash. Pretty much taking down the entire net. If i remember correctly hes the reason the blackwall had to exist and why netwatch always has to monitor it. Hes above Alt for sure who i would place near Adam. Just for her feats alone. I would assume with her advanced skills she could break through Smashers ICE like nothing. I would also put Johnny lower and David lower. But otherwise I mostly agree with this list.
ngl sandevistan is the real training wheels since V doesnt need em to defeat smasher and its actually way more fun(hard) not to use sandy in boosfighs
Well if it wasn't cause of the fast pace of and short length of the edgerunners story some of the low-mid tier characters could show more of their potentials and even go into upper tiers. other than that i mainly agree with your list. keep up the good content.
Johnny in the og lore was just a junkie rockstar who got blown apart by smasher, i feel lile the game wanted to combine him with morgan blackhand
I wouldn't put silver hand that way, he didn't explode arasaka alone and he looks more like a estrategic guy then a fighter, he has almost no implants.
He was in a corpo army during the Mexican conflict so he might have some decent military hardware under the hood, like sub dermal armor minimum
Morgan blackhand was the one bombed arasaka tower and he went one on onemvs adam smasher in that tower. He also had zero implants
Of course V is the strongest.
The amount of people that the player character slaughters, especially if you go a fully evil route, is more than enough to double pretty much any of the legends, except Adam Smasher, but we kill him too, so hey.
I whole heartily believe that David with the fresh suit, no insanity yet, would ABSLOUTLY wash Adam smasher, the dude took out and ENTRIE army of top of the end militech soldiers without taking a hit
According to the lore, it was Blackhand who lead the atk of AHQ. This following is not confirm but speculation base on Alt, the memory of Johnny showed to us is Johnny misremember the event and his narcistic attitude which make him believe, he is the main character and the story center around him.
morgan blackhand is probably the strongest human in the cyberpunk world.
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw he was, then V pop up
well, now we have Song So Mi (SongBird), I think she's the best netrunner in the verse, even stronger than alt, based on the things that we saw she doing in the events of Phantom Liberty, maybe she's toe to toe with Alt, idunno.
Someone stronger than Alt (maybe) would definitely be Songbird, sknce she merged herself with the Blackwall and can manifest physical digital footprints
Another great tier list.
Thank you
In the new dlc there’s a merc assassin (Aguilar) who’s apparently hella broken I’m assuming he’s hella strong cause when I disguised as him it gave me a health over 800 + which is crazy I’d say he’s a legend too
I’m sure you’re gonna make a one punch man tierlist but probably after season 3 is released so you’ll have more footage for your videos
Yeah a OPM tier list will definitely come, and that would be a good time as the hype would be high.
If talking about netrunners, i feel like rache bartmoss should be on top of alt sinc ehe is the legendary netrunner. Overall a great list though
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God tier: v with mods. Barely any meat left in that body just legendary cyberwares from head to toe😂
Song would probably be legend tier as well imo. By the time we meet her, her durability is pretty low, but anyone she really wanted to kill with her spooky blackwall attack is probably gonna die first.
I just wanted to add that takemura stats that he was faster then oda and body lvl20 V says takemura would be hard to beat even knowing some of his cyberwaee isn’t working.
If you have enough money, delamain beats Smasher. Just order all of them, with the heist mission pitting the two against eachother and delamain staying intact and with enough integrity to escape him imagine what he could do if you booked the entire fleet of cars with the excelsior package
then we'd have the fast and the furious franchise :P
Johnny Silverhand should be a step down on the tier list. The dude is basically lying to you in his flashbacks. Dude was good in a fight but largely relied on the manipulation and conning other people to do his bidding. He legit uses his fans as a human wall to attack Arasaka, several of them dying for his cause. The dude puts up a tough front but is mostly all talk and the few times he does get brave, he usually gets his ass handed to him. Case in point, the only lore accurate flashback is when he's attacked and Alt is kidnapped. Dude got jumped and slice and diced so fast in a right with a trained combatant. That's pretty much how it went down in his memories and back then the cyberware wasn't even as advanced. It wasn't mantis blades but classic arm spurs that got him.
this gets more interesting when you include source material characters.
I'm not complaining/criticizing mate, but you left out more than half of the best legends in the whole franchise/lore.
I don't think it was intentional but still a good job.
A reminder: bulletproof skin for all small fire arms is a COMMON and CHEAP upgrade (subdermal armor) and BASIC gorilla arms is calced at several times the power of an elephant per arm. (That’s In the game version, which is traditionally weaker than lore and edgerunners)
PERSONALLY I prefer enhancements from Bioware instead of cyberware. Individually they are slightly weaker than top tier chrome, but you can mix multiple together to be generally better, and even mix it with chrome.
dude where is rache bartmoss? in the mission kold mirage you see his body in a dead freezing in cybperpunk2077
is should be in a tier of his own, he destoryed the 1st internet. much stronger than Alt.
johnny is a wierd case since we see his feats from his viewpoint and johnny is a egomaniac so we dont know if the johnny sections are accurate to what actually happened
I’d argue Rache Bartmoss is above alt, I think Johnny talked alt up because of his ego
BioWare in the verse is actually really good. It costs more than most cyberware, but when using all of them you don’t go cyberpsycho, and are only SLIGHTLY weaker than having every legendary cyberware.
David with the cyberskeleton is a tier below or 2 tiers below adam and V
Please do a witcher 3 tier list. There are a lot of different monsters and characters
Prime Takemura with all his implants would’ve been scary