- This is an interesting interpretation of Mario Lore. I especially like the idea of Magikoopa dark magic being used to power up Bowser and the other head honchos. I always imagined them just being naturally gifted mutants kinda like Freeza and his top minions in Dragon Ball. - I know most people interpret the sports and kart games taking place at the end due to Bowser being on more amiable terms. But I always interpreted it as more of a temporary truce. We see in the games that the Mario Kart races are big events with tons of sponsors and ads for in-universe products plastered throughout the race tracks. I imagine Bowser and other antagonistic characters are willing to be team players for the sake of revenue as these events would be a great way to make money. (I imagine Bowser is compensated handsomely for allowing one of his castles to be converted into a race track) - There actually is a niche part of the fandom dedicated to talking about this kind of thing. There’s a whole subreddit called Marioverse which is moderated by Tumblr user Sean D.Walsh who made an impressive timeline on his blog that I’d recommend checking out.
This is wonderful and covers way more ground than I expected going in. A few random notes: - Mario & Luigi visit Pop Star at some point, as they're seen in the audience of the King Dedede fight in the Spring Breeze subgame of Kirby Super Star, and they along with Birdo and Toad appear in the audience for the Megaton Punch mini-game in the same game. - The Beanbean Kingdom should be on the same continent as the Mushroom Kingdom, as the game depicts Stardust Fields as a borderland region between the Beanbean and Mushroom Kingdoms. - Even excluding the connections to Konami properties through Bomberman, there are connections to Earth through depictions in Mario's Time Machine and Mario is Missing. - The Koopas repeatedly seek the power of the stars in the games (Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, etc.), and in Super Mario World we learn there are multiple entrances to an otherwise-unreachable place called the Star World scattered across Dinosaur Land. Perhaps this explains the Magikoopas' sustained interest in that region -- is their magic related to the stars?
Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine likely follow the same canon as the 90s Mario movie because of their use of the actual Earth. It's likely that Bowser was out for revenge after the movie and decided to attack Mario on his home turf.
There is also the rabbit hole of the mario and sonic games that take place in real world locations so that means there is real world access to the mushroom kingdom. And access to whatever planet most sonic games take place on idk the name of the planet.
It makes sense that each kingdom is themed after a thing thats abundent in there area The Kart Cups are also themed after this, implying that the Cups are made per each kingdom’s theme Which is why the mario kart games tend to have so many characters as its basically an in universe olympics
@@autismandgaming4532coconut mall is on isle delfino. But what you said makes me excited for the next mario kart game. Imagine what ideas for tracks or power ups they'll use from wonder
I’m surprised you managed to connect Sonic to Mario through Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine of all things, rather than through their multiple outings at the Olympic Games or when Lost World had a literal Yoshi-themed DLC level. I would also like to add that the possibility of a connection between Mario and the Pikmin series. Peach’s crown and a mushroom with growth enhancement capabilities are both treasures in Pikmin 2, and Pikmin themselves have been present since Toadstool Tour and have been seen more frequently since Nintendo World. It’s not impossible to suggest that the post-apocalyptic world Pikmin takes place on was formerly Mario’s world before Wario incited a nuclear arms race, with Pikmin being the only survivors of the old world by downsizing to adapt to the new harsh biosphere.
E Gadd also is quite similar to the whole humanoids in pikmin who live on different planets and are nearly identical but their ears and diet, the latter could come from the whole theme thing 19:10)
@@hokton8555 ok here's my theory: e gadd escapes mario planet after wario incites nuclear warfare, creating whatever race olimar is in order for him to pass on his lineage, and mario planet is only discovered a long time later when the entire biosphere has changed and pikmin emerge as the dominant species
We can make the connection between Puyo Puyo and Sonic stronger by pointing the following facts: 1- Sonic is a playable character in Puyo Puyo Tetris 2. 2- The Puyos (Or Mean Beans) appear in a boss battle in Sonic Mania.
Don't forget that when Lost World came out, it had a special Skyward Sword crossover, and given how Skyward Sword is basically ground Zero of the Zelda franchise, it would further tie the connections between Zelda and Mario. It is notable to also bring up the movie Wreck-it Ralph, and argue Smash Bros occurs in the Central Hub, which includes the Internet, The Emojis from the Emoji Movie and our real world. Effectively, the technology tech tree in itself has a life of its own there can be dimensional travel. With this connection in mind, we can now connect it to the Super Mario Bros Super Show, where Mario retires and goes to our dimension, specifically Brooklyn, becoming a humble plumber who keeps loosing his license, but is relied upon when threats emerge. This meta connection being crossed over, also explains Sonic's antics in the human world, with Eggman being Elon Musk if he was an actual genius, becoming a human villain in the tech world (thank you Sonic Movie and Wreck it Ralph), enough to cause the events of Sonic Adventure- onwards. What really interests me, is that in Sonic Adventure 2 (and re confirmed in the Sonic Movie), the United States government learns about Eggman and his grandfather, making the ultimate life form based on aliens he's found. Hilariously, humans end up teaching our own dimension's aliens about the power of our video games and the larger technology metaverse, and using that knowledge to make recreations of Arcade video game characters by corrupting video game beings and having them invade Earth in the mid-80s where Adam Sandler and the President of the United States together beat the aliens. TL;DR the Adam Sandler extended universe is canon to the mario franchise.
While I don't think it's all one universe with Kirby/Zelda/etc, I do think that the multiple universes are linked through Kirby. Kirby literally lives in Dream Land, and the Fountain of Dreams is said to be the source of all good dreams. I think Kirby's universe is a base dream world that connects all of the Nintendo properties, and is the place people go when they sleep. It's how Wart was able to go from Mario's dream (in Super Mario USA) to the Wind Fish's dream (Link's Awakening). Kirby is also chock full of references to other series. The entirety of Great Cave Offensive, for example. You also mentioned Samus in Dream Land 3, but the game also features Professor Hector, who created ROB, and other non-Smash fighter cameos (Chao and Goku). Amazing Mirror also shows that Kirby's universe is connected to Master and Crazy Hands, as they're literally bosses in that game.
I highly doubt Sunshine of all games would be the end of the timeline. Mario and Peach clearly never met Bowser Jr. before in that game as Peach asked "So you're Bowser's son?" and he'd become a recurring antagonist in later games where Mario and Co. are more familiar with him.
And at the end of the game Junior says “someday I want to fight that Mario again!” which wouldn’t make sense if he’d already fought Mario a dozen times before.
Mario games happen in release date order unless stated otherwise, that's how I view it, and is the one that makes more sense in a timeline Edit: also when was it stated that Bowser was created by kamek? Bowser is just a child that was abandoned and has no parents, so kamek, which already had an army, and we could say a kingdom, took care of Bowser, and Bowser because of jealousy ordered kamek to kidnap all the babies, and kamek doing whatever Bowser wants did that, leading us to the start of the mario series Super Mario World 2, Yoshi's island (which has sequels like Yoshi's island ds, were it introduced the star children, which are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Donkey Kong, Wario and I think Bowser but I'm not sure)
@@mariotheundyingThere was missed opportunity to actually talk about Waluigi in a non-joke manner. Maybe his reason for working for the Star villain of Mario Party 3 (and stars are pivotal in this universe, him and the dark star from BIS seem to indicate a lot more isn't shown in the games) was because of him learning about the so-called star children and wanting to take them down a peg. This is how he meets Wario (not a blood brother) and learns there's another person just like him.
yeah, maybe near the middle before he started being a regular boss but quite a while after all the rest had been at it. Could still have been the start of the races and sport events though, as fighting could be in a competition too.
Metroid being canon to the Mario Universe would also make Pikmin canon seeing as Pikmin 1 references Space pirates which are the main antagonists of some Metroid games. But that raises it’s own questions with Pikmin having split timelines and a post apocalyptic depiction of earth, which Kirby also has Multiple of, and Kirby lore is it’s own can of worms; Also Hatsune Miku was on Super Mario Maker. Is Hatsune Miku Canon to Mario? Are Vocaloids Canon to Mario? Is The Internet Canon to Mario? Should I touch Grass?
Space pirates is just a generic term, used for pirates in space, and Metroid was just incredibly uncreative with naming its main enemy force. As such, I don't think there's a connection there. Otherwise, we might need to pull in other so-called-space pirates mentioned in other properties such as Doctor Who. If you want to bring Pikmin in, there's already Mario references in the Pikmin games, although it's more likely that Mario existed as a game franchise in the Pikmin universe than as an actual history.
@randomguyonyt6060 It's true, if you meant Golf. In an old mario Golf game, pikmin fly out of flowers if you hit your ball in the flower patches. So pikmin do exist here, but like you'd expect, there really tiny.
Super mario maker is more like an in-universe game. We see multiple characters like Bowser JR, Kamek, and bowser's levels in SMM2's story mode, and the game makes reference to mario paint, another in-universe program (perhaps its an evolution of that and WWDIY's machine). So while Hatsune Miku *could* exist, its more likely that she's a digital icon for them just like in real life.
Pulling in Star Fox also brings F-Zero into the universe. For the uninitiated: both Arwings and F-Zero machines utilize a G-Diffuser system, both series include a version of a James McCloud, in an ending of Star Fox Command Fox & Falco become G-Zero racers, in another ending of Star Fox Command an older Falco can be seen wearing Captain Falcons boots, and also in Star Fox Command there is fight against Octoman who is also an F-Zero character. Also the Great Cave Offensive in Kirby Superstar basically connects a ton of games depending on whether you are playing the original on the SNES or the DS remake.
My theory is that since space is so vast, some people may not even know that James Mcloudd died, every even existed. I think the guy in f zero is some cheap knock-off who just assumed the name for his career.
@@Eichro The Zelda world has parallel realities in basically each game. and the F-Zero games and Star Fox actually have parallel universes too. The real question would be "which of each franchise parallel universes are tied to each other?"
@@Unithrex The F-Zero events happen before the Lylat wars, so that would be the other way around. There is also a Peppy Hare and a Pigma Dengar in F-Zero lore and a lylat system. The difference being James alive, mentioning his son and their team being the "Galaxy Dog".
I always figured after the entire galaxy is reset at the end of Mario Galaxy, that’s when Bowser just gave up and played sports. All the enemies are partying with the toads at the very end like a ceasefires been called and I mean.. if your defeat brings about the end of the universe and when it resets you STILL haven’t won you might as well just count your loses
@@mustacheman529 Since the game starts out as a story book, it can be viewed as largely non-canonical and just a story being told, the real thing that throws a wrench in it all is 3D World including Rosalina as completion content if you could that sort of thing as cannon
@@brennenwilde4303 The game may be a story book, the events shown in it happened, as shown by the Luma still having Mario's hat outside the story book. And yes, I supposed 3D World also counts against it.
@@mustacheman529 maybe bowser just relapses at some point lol, the beginning of MG2 does say something about the festival happening “once a century” or something. And if the festival is happening in MG1 that also implies Mario lives 100 years without visually aging, which would solve the Kranky DKIII age difference problem if we assume Kongs age normally
@brennenwilde4303 I've personally always headcanonned that the universe reset in Galaxy 1 just reset the cycle for the comet event, so it happened not too long after.
If there's one part of the Mario universe that's always interested me and is almost never talked about, it's that one weird unnamed city/island from Mario Kart 8. Y'know, the one under N64 Rainbow Road with all the pretty lights and whatnot? What really gets me about that place is that it: - Is where Toad Harbour is located, as both this track and N64RR have the Peach parody of the Statue visible in the background - Is where Super Bell Subway is also located, as there are maps of the island located around the track, some detailing names of other tracks in the game - Has giant bridges sticking out of it on multiple sides, spanning far out into the ocean All implying that this place is largely used as a communal area where people are able to travel to the different tracks and locations across the series in-universe. And yet, this place isn't even part of the Mushroom Kingdom, judging by how it's mostly just isolated in the middle of the ocean in the middle of nowhere. I kinda wish someone analysed this a little more, or even if Nintendo mentioned it sometime, because 9 years later it's still one heck of a mystery.
It’s been pretty thoroughly analysed by the Mario lore/mapping community. Check out Project Marioverse. It’s called Toad City, it’s in the Mushroom Kingdom. There’s countryside south of it where Moo Moo Meadows and Moo Moo Farm are located.
I feel like a lot of this you have the right vague IDEA, but I’m not sure the linear timeline of events here makes sense, or the way you treat these diverse locations, at least not entirely. The way I think that a lot of this could be cleaner? If we treat the block thing as 1000% canon, then I think we must also treat the other main detail from the SMB manual as canon too: Mario and Luigi coming from another world through a warp pipe. This is a lore detail so important that they made it a whole part of the movie for Pete’s sake! And really, things like Mario refereeing for the WVBA (where all of the fighters are listed to be from Earth locales) make a whole lot more sense if we treat the Mario universe as being an interconnected set of ‘realms’, where one realm is a parallel Earth, another has the various Kingdoms we see in mainline and spin-off Mario titles alike (everything from the Beanbean kingdom to the Flower kingdom to Sarasaland to eeeeeeverything in Odyssey and more), another is the realm of Dreams that link and Mario both visit, which would lead to another one probably being Hyrule’s world (especially given that the Zelda series has its own self contained cosmology and pantheon that otherwise treat the world as an isolated reality), and you could go on. There’s also the factor of there being different planets in one selfsame universe that you mentioned, but I think that what planets are part of which greater realm is kind of iffy. And yeah you can say that using a sort of ‘multiverse’ approach is lazy, but especially given that a number of games seem to address isekai themes very directly it’s hard to simply scrub it aside, not to mention this is not just ‘a bunch of disconnected realities with a few interlopers’ but instead ‘closely linked parallel worlds whose inhabitants gradually become more and more integrated as they become aware of each other’. Great video all the same though!
I think this is the best answer. Mario's universe definitely has some sort of inter-universal transport. I do think the extraterrestrial connections like star fox, Kirby, Metroid, and f-zero are canon, but beyond that I think they're out of universe. Mario and Luigi are definitely from Brooklyn.
While the linear timeline of events in this video isn’t exactly correct, there is a linear timeline of events that does make sense. The block thing is canon, but the manual NEVER says Mario and Luigi came from another world through a Warp Pipe. That’s a common misconception. None of these other series (Punch-Out!!, Zelda) are canon to Mario. It’d be best if they were just left out. The universe of Mario on its own is rich enough to fill 100 videos.
@@MicroTwentyMario and Luigi were born in the Mushroom Kingdom and grew up in New Donk City. They’ve never been from or even lived in Brooklyn in the games. That was invented by American licensed media.
FWIW you basically just reinvented Videoland from Captain N? Which I say as a compliment, because that's always been my favorite conception of how all this fits together,
@@seandwalsh3 I mean, I was just considering how best to marry the mario we see in the arcade games with the mario we see in everything from the NES onward, speaking of the NES it would be ideal to cast Punch Out aside were it not for the fact that Mario is... y'know, in it as a rather prominent cameo role, and reconciling real world locations with the geography of this other planet is most easily handled by saying "oh yeah they both exist interdependently of one another". In theory I could just set aside Punch Out anyway, but between that and retroactively declaring that every big city scene we've ever seen has been in Metro Kingdom and nowhere else, I'd rather treat New Donk as a cultural blending of Earth and this other world that happened as a result of parties from both sides becoming increasingly involved with each other. This can also easily canonize stuff like Mario Kart Tour's tracks, where real world locales have been given a (temporary or not) whimsical coat of paint by all these visitors from the other world intermingling more and more with an Earth that's looking less and less mundane. And really, in all honesty, I just really like this concept of these two worlds harmlessly blending and exchanging with one another anyway
A few things across the spin-offs + notes that I feel should've been included: -Although Sunshine ties up Bowser's relationship with Peach, I believe that Bowser either has a mutual agreement to continue conflicting with the Mario Bros. or is simply focused on taking over the Kingdoms and/or winning over the Bros. There are multiple games with post-Sunshine elements where Bowser still fights against the Bros, even in the sports games. Or maybe he just likes a bit of chaos every now and then. -The Fawful conflict. Fawful is a re-occuring character across the RPG's who's plans are seen being brought to fruition as early as Superstar Saga as seen in Bowser's Minions. This conflict may possibly be post-Sunshine considering that Bowser is the one taking the Bros. to the Beanbean Kingdom. This also opens up... -3RD CONTACT: The Shroobs, Dark Star, Geno, and the Smithy Gang(?). Due to shenanigans with a time travel machine (more on that later), E.Gadd accidentally brings down an alien race known as the Shroobs. After this whole conflict, Fawful gains access to the Dark Star, an evil artifact held away by the Star Sprites of the Mushroom Kingdom. The Dark Star's home and its motives/relations are unknown. Geno is a character sent from the Star Road, which is presumably related to Rainbow Road and the secret worlds of SMW, SM3DL and SM3DW. He helps Mario in repairing Star Road against the Smithy Gang, a massive army commanded by none other than Smithy himself. These characters are from another dimension of unknown origin, hailing from Exor, of which they use as a method of travelling between the dimensions. -TIME TRAVEL. Due to the whole Shroob conflict, a rip in space and time forms, which allows the baby and older versions of the Mario characters to be in one place, together. This could potentially be how the events of Mario's Time Machine happens, as well as how the Mario Kart games, and Yoshi's Island DS have paradoxical things such as baby characters existing in the wrong places and ages. -Smash Bros. Although Smash Bros could be seen as fiction, there is one character that appears and co-exists amongst the characters... the Metals. I believe the Metals to be a some kind of symbiotic race like Venom, as Metal Mario his variants are seen as both as power-ups and of nemesis to Mario. -2D Plane. As seen in Paper Mario, Odyssey, and SMRPG, some entities in the Mario universe like specifically on a 2D space. Culex specifically talks about this in SMRPG, and is shown to still be a sprite in the 3D remake. Odyssey also has sections where Mario is able to become a 2D entity for platforming, and Paper Mario is, well, living paper. This means that the entirety of Paper Mario is a dimension of its own seperate of The 2D as shown by Paper Jam. -More about Dreams. The events of Dream Team suggest that dreams do have a seperate world as shown by Antasma's schemes. Dreams can also be brought into the real world, which would explain Dreamy Bowser, and why themes from Subcon are able to appear in the real world.
Great video! You forgot about all the alternate dimension stuff though, which a whole can of worms. The Smithy Gang from Super Mario RPG use this to take over for a little bit. Also the Paper Mario World is another dimension accessed through a storybook. And this can explain how stuff like Smash happens, it's just a hub for different dimensions with portals made by Master Hand or something. Though Paper Mario opens up a whole other can of worms, does that mean that places like Rogueport and all the dimensions in Super exist in the normal Mario World also? I mean the star Spirits already exist in both Paper Mario and the normal Mario World, plus Black paint with Color Splash and then Bowser's Fury, so maybe? Obviously stuff like the Royal Stickers and Origami of living beings doesn't exist in the form they do since that relies on the world being made of Paper, but it's interesting to notate how the earlier game could or could not be canon with normal Mario as well. Also to tie into the Subcon Dream stuff, there's also Pi'illo Island, whose residents are naturally attuned with the "Dream World," along with other characters like Antasma and Luigi being naturally attuned with it. Perhaps Mario being Luigi's brother also created a pseudo Dream portal in Super Mario Bros 2? That would explain how characters like Birdo who once were part of a dream, came to the Mushroom World, maybe they entered the world through a Dream portal?
Finally, the long-awaited Mario universe video has been made! As something of a lore nut myself, I really appreciate the attempt to fully map out this whole maddening canon the Mario franchise has! Also, if Kirby and Zelda are indeed part of the Mario universe then there's potentially 2 very interesting connections that can be made: 1) In Rosalina's story book, the first Luma she meets has apparently been waiting for his mother, who he says would be travelling on a comet. While the comet itself isn't important, the fact that there was a Star Mother before Rosalina could imply that the Star Mother is an incarnation of Void (from Kirby Star Allies' Soul Melter EX mode), a god that incarnates whenever it encounters extreme emotion, in this case motherly love. This may have some precedent since Zero, the source of Dark Matter in Kirby, is believed by many to be an incarnation of Void born from extreme hatred that, much like the Star Mother, can incarnate multiple times (see Kirby's Dream Land 3 and Kirby 64). 2) Since the Dark Star from Bowser's Inside Story is a being of darkness that needs to be sealed by the "Seven Sages" and the sealing power of a mystical princess... So the Dark Star is likely a form or offshot of Ganon. Either an offshoot like Agahnim in A like to the Past/the Magician from Zelda 2 or the actual damaged mind of Ganon that was stripped from his body by Twinrova's botched resurrection ritual in the Oracle games. Thank you for coming to my deranged lore-based TED talk.
My theory is that Bowser Jr is a rebel against his father, allying himself with Mario & co in secret (Not to say he hates Bowser, he just is against his regime in the Koopa Kingdom) The only person who can make portals from paint is Bowser Jr, so he must have been the one to set up all the paintings in Mario 64 He purposefully made the paintings lead to places full of Power Stars bowser had stolen This is because he felt bad about what he did in Luigi's Mansion, trapping Mario in a painting (although he was likely manipulated into doing it by King Boo) And all this is why he allies with Mario in Bowser's Fury
In Mario 64 it was literally said that Bowser made those paintings using the Power Stars. He even invites Mario to try and find the stars. Also Jr joins Mario in Bowser's fury because Bowser was literally possessed by evil magic goop.
Except king boo can do that without help, I don't think he gave a quick call to bowser jr in Luigis mansion 2 and 3, and I'm pretty sure king boo was sealed in the mansion in 1, making it impossible for it to contact jr, and I dont think he made a quick call there either
I think it's also worth mentioning the book supposedly containing the paper mario universe; my interpretation is that it simply retells some of mario's past adventures, but at some point the magikoopas managed to place a curse on it, bringing those retellings to life and releasing them into the world on exactly one occasion
A couple things I've picked up on that you forgot about: 1. Due to the rhythm heaven series being closely related to warioware, I feel like it would've been appropriate to put those games on the list especially since they have a canonical land that those games take place in. 2. I'm not sure if you mentioned this in the kong family tree video but it seems like you didn't talk about the lands and characters from the donkey kong jungle beat game like the cactus king and dread kong.
Ice climbers exist in this universe with the penguin island or ice lands in the south. And the the idea that splatoon exists in a a post apocalyptic Mario world and universe makes so much sense because big man traumatized me from an old sting ray fight in super Mario sunshine resembling the paint from that boss fight
Man. It's been crazy to watch your channel grow from your old videos. Love to see it, incredible how far it's come. Can't wait for what's next, great content
My fav theory about the Mario universe is, as I call it, the Actor Theory. It was born when realizing that making a Mario timeline is impossible as some games contradict themselves. The biggest example of that is in Lugi's Mansion where Mario and Luigi meet E. Gadd for the first time and where a fortune teller ghost tells us that "Mario had soundly defeated Bowser" while wondering if "King Boo somehow revived Bowser", meaning that in this game, Bowser is dead, but like really dead forever. But in some later games, like Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, we have Mario & Luigi, already knowing E. Gadd while Bowser is alive. Yeah, clearly Mario games are just fictions made without that much care about a perfect continuity, so how is it possible to make a perfect continuity? You don't. If they're all fictions that can't have a perfect continuity, then let's just say that they're that in their own diegesis! We already know that SMB3 is a stage play, and it's hinted that other games are fictions too, SM64 has a cameraman, Paper Mario games are books. Maybe some could even be video games! X^) So why not extending that to the other games? But obviously, those fiction would reside in a same world, a coherent one with a perfect continuity that can be inferred by what we see of it: The Actor World. The world where Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Wario, and everyone else are just the actors partially making those fictions. And not all games have to be in the Fiction World, some would clearly happen in the Actor World. Games that would be hard to place in a classic model, that don't have much to do with the main ones like maybe for the DKC games (but we'll talk about those later), or where the Mario characters are out of character compared to the main games, like for the Arcade Mario games, likely happening before Mario being a renown actor, or the Wario Ware series, and the Mario Kart, Tennis, Golf, Strikerz, etc. which are like an intermediate: they happen in the real world but the actors are still playing their characters while Karting, Tennissing, Golfing, Strikerzing, etc., with some even having fiction in it like the last Mario Tennis, those games would kinda be like catching. There is just one series which I'm not sure if it would be in the Actor World or the Fiction World though, those being the sequels of Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong 2 is probably in the Actor World given how Mario is the fricking bad guy. But for Donkey Kong GameBoy and the Mario vs DK series, it's hard to tell. I think that the events of Donkey Kong were what made Mario famous, allowing him to be an actor, and that those games are just an adaptation of the events of Donkey Kong, and with modern DK, not OG DK which is Cranky, also joining the actors. That also leaves the DKC games (and the other Rare games by extension) which are so disconnected to the Mario games that it's really hard to know if they're Fictions or happening in the Actor World. I think they're fictions though, 't would be weird for DK to leave the island he's protecting to be an actor among other reasons but a case could be made for them to be a part of the Actor World I guess. But outside of that minor inconvenience. The Actor Theory is really just a perfect explanation about all of the Mario Universe, and a relatively simple one too. It just works. It also makes theorizing about Mario games easier, with the games that makes the least sense simply out of the question. Because yes, it's still possible to theorize about the Fiction World (which btw could very well be Fiction WorldS) as, like irl, even though they don't have a perfect consistency, there's still a consistency. And for the imperfect parts, we can jus say that they're inconsistencies, which would be hard to buy if we pretend it's a fully coherent world, but with the Actor Theory, it's easier to accept that there are inconsistencies in the Fiction World(s). It explains a lot, is consistent, is simple, makes sense, nothing disproves it (as far as I know), it's an explanation that doesn't come out of nowhere, and it makes theorizing about those worlds easier and better while expanding the universe of the series, and I don't know about any other model about the Mario diegesis that does all of that better. I really don't see why it shouldn't be accepted by everyone. :^)
Oh and fun fact since the vid is a bout "A Map of the Mario Universe", it is possible to make a map of the Actor World. In Mario Kart 8's DLC/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, in the Super Bell Subway, there is a map with most of the game's racetracks, which are locations of the Actor World, it's a subway map obviously so it's not the most reliable source of information but it's still one. With this map and the tracks it's possible to make a rough map of the game, and other games withe educated guesses, and thus have a rough map of a part of the Actor World, which is super cool. I could give links to the map here but TH-cam doesn't like links to things that aren't TH-cam being in comments so here's instead the vid of the person who made the map, with the links to the maps being in the description. Maybe you could even watch the vid if you want and either understand French or trust in TH-cam's automatic subtitle translation. th-cam.com/video/s_9ZjraOOs4/w-d-xo.html
@@noahohaver, no lol. I know that those type of theories are often disregarded immediately without even thinking more about it but that is just a really stupid thing to do. Let me explain: Many fiction/dream theories are great, work completely, and can even pretend to be the most likely to be correct models for their fictions. But most of the time no one cares about even looking into those because of some other, like Ash's coma for the most famous, that... Ugh. I would't even dare to call them theories. They're just stupid useless off the mark rationalisation that pulls a middle finger at while not caring in the slightest about the work they pretend to be about, its messages, its authors and its fans. So in a nutshell big shit of a "theory". Mario's Actor Theory (and others like FnaF 4's and Majora's Mask's Dream Theories) is not like that at all. It's not here mainly to explain everything, as it is possible do explain most of Mario without it even though it makes it harder. No, this theory is here to enrich and expand the series, it is based on in-game elements, doesn't destroy the canon's logic, and may even be partially intentional by the developers as Miyamoto himself said things in interviews that points at this Theory being true. Simply said, it doesn't take content away from the games, it's still possible to analyse and theorize about the Fiction World, it only adds to it. Rejecting such a model purely because of it's form is futile and off the mark, it's fundamentally not the same thing as the big shits of a "theory". If you still see it as a Ash's coma-like shit, you didn't get it, in which case I surely didn't explain well and I'm sorry for it. And I also know that it can be really hard to stop disregarding all theories about dreams fictions and things like that. :^(
This is really cool! One of my favorite, and one of few remaining, TH-cam passions is people exploring and interpreting the inconsistent and fantastical lore/timeline of Nintendo’s universe. I love this stuff. A few things I noticed, though: New Donk is not meant to be the literal location of Donkey Kong (1981). If so, not only does every one of Mario’s “workman-era” games, as mentioned, have to take place there, but so does Punch-Out. That features characters who, like Mario, were meant to be from real world places. Also, Donkey Kong I (Cranky), was at one time one of Mario’s jobs. He worked at a circus where DK was performing. He may not have founded Donkey Kong island yet (or rediscovered/returned home). Also Waluigi isn’t necessarily Wario’s brother. Just a partner in crime.
Also, Bowser refers to the “Royal Koopa Bloodline” at one point. I don’t think he was created by the Magikoopas. Unless Kamek just lied to him about it I guess. I tend to think Bowser is part of a special, rare species of Koopa which is so powerful that particular bloodlines are the undisputed ruler of all Koopa. That might be why he adopted the Koopalings.
I actually like that the way the mushroom kingdom is a seperate world/continent connects a lot with both the movie and mario oddyssey, amazing video, trying to find cohesiveness in these games is difficult and you did very well
Super Mario Odyssey has an actual world map, so we know where the Mushroom Kingdom and New Donk City are at least. Because of Peachette, my theory is that Peach herself is a special kind of toad. Mario Party DS ends with Bowser befriending Mario and the gang, explaining stuff like Mario Kart, and no one ever talks about it I've thought a lot about crossovers like this, and believe me pulling in half the gaming industry is an understatement. You could pull in just about every significant pop culture thing eventually - Fortnite has tons of connections including DC & Marvel which have been crossing over with stuff for decades, Smash Bros is only one step away from other big crossovers like Project X Zone & Kingdom Hearts, I could go on. Every new connection you make tends to pull in more connections, so you'll find your crossover web will grow exponentially.
You forgot Skylanders as Bowser and DK (the third or Junior or whatever we’re calling him now) are playable characters and have a comic detailing their arrival to the skylands
The Skylands are intresting to place, the Skylands are in the middle of the Universe. But they are also infinite and contain alternate Realities, Dimensions and possibly timelines.
I think Sonic and even Earthworm Jim exist in the Mario universe due to Sonic's shoes and Jim's gun being found in Cranky's Video Game Heroes in DKC2. This also confirms the existence of Hyrule in the Mario universe because Link is there too.
I find it slightly hilarious that the Movie's interpretation of the Kong kingdom is EXACTLY the opposite of this one, lol. Excellent video, btw! Everything is very well thought out, and I love hearing your theories!
As someone working on her own timeline and big lore ideas, this was very enjoyable! The idea of Bowser being a dark magic construct made by the Magikoopas is very interesting indeed. I’m not as knowledgeable about the DK and Wario series, so the Wario-Sarasaland connection is something I’ll have to look into myself! Personally, I believe that Sunshine takes place smack in the middle of the timeline, assuming that this is the first time Mario or Peach encounters Jr., which is a major crux of my timeline! Imaging the ending as Bowser’s villainy breaking point is quite a fun twist, though. Anyway, lots of interesting takes, and helped me with my own lore/timeline ideas! Well done video!
Timestamps: 1:37 Ooh Banana 4:27 You want fun? Wario Show you fun! 6:28 Swing your arms from Side to Side 8:00 Storm Area 51 10:22 I spent Hours of my life stomping... KOOPAS! 14:37 Minecraft Manhunt 16:18 The Moon landing was "Faked" 19:57 What the fu-boom 20:39 Gadzooks! 26:06 We did it Patrick! We Saved the City!
There was so much time and care put into this, i wish there were more nintendo yt videos like this, that explore lore that isnt outright explained, but can be put together if you pay attention to the details
This is incredible. I've always loved playing around with potential canon for this franchise in my head so it's really fun to see others do so too! I'd totally watch a series based around the things discussed in this vid
Amazing video! A little disappointed as a Mario and Luigi nut that you left out the other locales and implications from the other games past superstar sage and the beanbean kingdom. The shroobs invading the mushroom kingdom/world in the past because their world is barren and the bros having to team up with their past selves, the pi'illo island and its ancient history and connection to the larger dream world (and subcon presumably), and the book in paper jam containing the alternate dimension of paper folk where paper mario takes place have vast implications for mario lore and wouldve loved to see you try to make em fit!
This video was a lot of fun man, I'd love one that goes fully in depth on the Mario universe; maybe in multiple uploads?? In any case yeah this was great fun!!
It’s a good thing you stopped while you can, because if you tried to include everything, you’d end up with not only half of the video game industry, but also half of the film industry. It’s insane how much it ramps up from basically anywhere. That’s the magic of cameos. Like, every character, at least the playable ones in Smash Bros, (and way more,) can canonically exist in some way, except for Min Min. Because Arms was too new, and they didn’t add Little Mac to the roster. This also puts an infinite multiverse level of stakes for the World of Light. Now I’m questioning how many times the world was in threat of being ruined, or how many times the apocalypse occurred. Also how is none of this coming up in conversations for the other series? Like a sitcom character could of said about all of this junk that exists in their world, and the amount of times the world was saved. Or the fact that magic exists in multiple forms, or that they’re hundreds of literal gods, or even Pokémon. How are most religions supposed to work as intended, when there’s literally magic to bring back people to life, and actual gods? I can go on with questions about all of this, but I will stop here. It’s just interesting to think about…everything I said in this single comment that like 2 people will read.
This is an incredible video because this can go on forever depending on how you look at it, yet you still managed to sum it up brilliantly. I even started to think about Great Cave Offensive and WarioWare's microgames and Mario sports games as ways of connecting even more franchises, like Mr. Saturn in Great Cave Offensive connecting EarthBound, the Falchion connecting Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy characters appearing in Mario sports games connecting it, Kingdom Hearts and Disney to this world. Not to mention how Xenoblade Chronicles is connected to Xeno Saga which has Kazuya Mishima in it. With Tekken and Pac-Man having many different crossovers, we can connect so much to Mario Kart Arcade GP. As said, this can go on and on
Doki doki panic was originally a mario game, it got changed to be a crossover, it was designed as a mario game first and the playable characters and a few other things like mushrooms were the only things changed
I like to think of Wario as a man of all trades, you can put him in any situation give him any task, and if it involves earning or saving money, he will immediately do it, no questions asked.
okay that was fairly good. You hit on something there with the Dream/Subcon dimension connecting the Mario and Zelda universe. and after tech or magic advances enough they could probably open portals to bring everyone to the same spot for a gigantic contest like in SSB. Subspace emissary had some wild shit going on with it.
I just assume that the mushroom kingdom is a large domain, composing of several monarchies (mario 3). but is probably somewhere close to Yoshi's Island (and indirectly, Dinosaur Land. if the Yo'ster Isle being yoshi's island in Mario RPG means anything). early promotional materials for Odyssey shows Delphino Isle as part of the world map but was removed (it still remains in the game's data as UV mapping data for the globe). also DK94 is a prequel to Super Mario Bros since DK ingests a poison mushroom and grows at the end, you even see the mushroom kingdom. Wario having the ability to fly planes isn't really uncommon since there's Wario's Woods, VB Wario Land and Wario Land 3. would not be surprised if the timeline went Yoshi's Island, Island DS, Donkey Kong, Mario Bros, Donkey Kong 2, Donkey Kong 94, Super Mario Bros, 3, World. if the DS version of 64 was canon, maybe Mario Land, Mario Land 2, Wario Land, 64 DS? Also, Lolo and Lala are *not* Lololo and Lalala. presumably, they added an extra La/Lo, because the Lolo characters were made independently from Nintendo's involvement as far back as the MSX days, whereas Kirby is a combined HAL Labs/Nintendo collaboration. it may help that the Lolo games were originally made by remixing levels from previous games (with dubious JP/US release windows). this also excludes the extended Eggerland characters as well as the Part Time UFO characters since it was made separately from nintendo as a mobile game. One take i would assume is that any place that seems relatively in-line with the real world could probably be tossed aside as New Donk City, like Donkey Kong, Mario Bros and Wrecking Crew. the Wario games seems arguably more cartoony but themed to a degree. like having islands named after kitchen appliances, condiments and food. a few indirect characters/monarch in Wario-related games have food names like princess shokora (Japanese-phonetic french word for Chocolate), maaaaaybe Prince Sablé and Princess Tiramisu (if the Mad Sciencestein in the Wario Land games are the same one from The Frog the Bell Tolls?). also technically-fictional characters like Count Cannoli, Carpaccio and Terrormisu (or Margherita, in japan) in Wario: Master of Disguise. Wario games usually features dimensions sealed inside artefacts, rather than maybe-portals like the Paintings are in Odyssey and (maybe) Mario 64. Finally, the MGS games are almost 1:1 with the real world. and are the real world. but any appearances in bomberman or smash doesn't really count.
But how does Odyssey and the New Super Mario Bros. series fit into this? There’s also Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, the rest of Mario & Luigi after Superstar Saga, and the rest of the Yoshi and Wario Land series’ beyond what was mentioned. Also how would the events of Galaxy affect the world? The universe literally collapses in that game, and the universal reset Rosalina preforms results in all of the planets being merged into one. What would be the consequences of that?
NSMB mostly seems like random conflicts with Bowser that could occur at any given time between SMB and Sunshine. The RPGs I tried to keep to a minimum because...getting into the reasons and confusion there almost deserves a follow-up video all its own. No promises. Regarding Galaxy, I don't have an answer as far as the universal reset is concerned - we may have to assume the way certain events in Mario games are presented to us are allegorical.
I’m so glad someone made this. I wanted to make something like this for so long Additional info - Mario can now be seen canon alongside Rayman There is an official comic touching on how DK and Bowser wound up in the Skylands, potentially “canonizing” Skylanders to the Marioverse. >Spyro is canon to Skylanders >Crash is canon to Spyro. There is definitely more, but that’s just what comes immediately comes to mind. Edit: Kirby enemies are also in Links awakening, potentially connecting all three universes via dreamlands. Which makes sense because I’m fairly certain “physical dream travel” is canon in all 3.
Man I thought this was gonna be a big catalogue of all the kingdoms in Mario but it turned into a fanfic, missed things, and included random crossovers
In other words: in the beginning there was the Yoshi-Magikoopa conflict. It came to a head when the prophesied Star Children were scheduled to be delivered to their parents by Stork. These Star Children were Mario, Luigi, Peach, Wario, and a Kong (don’t know which anymore) as babies. Oh and Baby Bowser was with them too, being the only baby successfully abducted by the Magikoopas. Definitely need to think about this some more. Thanks for the great video!
I like how as you go farther North, you have the animal characters like Banjo, and Conker. This fits with the Polar dudes up North who are also all animals.
This is such an AMAZING video!! but you forgot the small but important detail (i guess) of tatanga having the same logo of the Tediz flag from Conker's Bad Fur Day, in other words, the Aliens may are related to Naziz in the mario Universe
Quick note: Mr. Gnw is here too, and tied deeply to Wario. Wario land 4 was just Wario robbing Shokora's grave, Shokora was cursed and turned into GnW. GnW dissapears into the void at the end, perfects minigames to avoid going insane, eventually gets back and becomes an instrumental figure in Warioware. (Also, as per brawl dojo, gnw is a self-replicating hive mind thats benevolent, so him working the factory in dkcr makes sense). Plus, its arguable paper mario was a oot-style split caused by gnw trying to get home that gave rise to smash bros. Gnw got into melee, then back home. If you want support that GnW is Shokora, watch his Subspace cutscene and give any other coherent reasoning for it.
Extras: his cloning was used to create smash character clones by grinding him up. And creating microgames to pass time in the lonely white emptiness of a void explains the handhelds well. Plus, game and wario. And now he has cohesive backstory. The gnw galleries could even be showing parallels between timelines? And uhhh, on that note Gnw is 2d. Paper mario. Vivian. Both went from gender A to gender B. Bottom text.
YO THIS WAS AN EXTREMELY AWESOME VIDEO MAN I love how well you managed to show a lot of how the Mario timeline went and I really liked the theory’s but although there is some things I’m confused about like how Mario’s home of planet earth is in this map when really the Super Mario world with all the kingdoms and stuff are in a totally different world and also when you were talking about bowser producing asexually and made the koopalings I’m pretty sure that’s not the case because if bowser did do that then all his children would look identical to him byenlarge but other than that love the video and I really hope to see more videos like this for other video games like maybe Kirby and Sonic
Mario universe worldbuilding is always fun. I was recently viewing the works of GavinoElDiabloGuapo who makes his own effort to unify Mario lore. It's interesting how you both land on some similar points like how Donkey Kong fits in, Wario trying to take Mario's castle, Bowser Jr being Bowser's only legitimate child, or the bros being New Donk City heroes to start with, yet some are very different. In particular, you AU gives Wario a much bigger role as an overarching villain and driver of conflict rather than a minor thug. WAAAAAAAAA- The Beanbean kingdom is interesting, despite its bean-like inhabitants it is themes more after jokes and laughter than anything else.
Bowser's fury likely takes place after sunshine, bowser gets currupted at some point due to his close contact with some black ink which could be a remnant from the sunshine conflict and Bowser Jr intentially goes to Mario for help now that they two of them have been able to reach an understanding
I clicked this assuming that u might not recognize the dkc3 connection, but u clearly know ur stuff. Im super excited for the remaining facts that ur gonna school these ppl on.
Definitely an interesting interpretation but I think that the ending of Mario Galaxy could have a huge effect of the Mario Universe. That game resent the entire universe. Maybe making new stuff and/or wiping slates clean.
Wow I just watched the dk video like 30 seconds ago and apparently the Mario one dropped like an hour ago, what are the odds
Same thing, JUST HAPPENED TO ME!! Amazing.
Same but a day later
same
we’re lucky, if we had been 2 days early to that one then we’d be stuck there wondering “has this dude really not made the part 2 even after a year?!”
Same
- This is an interesting interpretation of Mario Lore. I especially like the idea of Magikoopa dark magic being used to power up Bowser and the other head honchos. I always imagined them just being naturally gifted mutants kinda like Freeza and his top minions in Dragon Ball.
- I know most people interpret the sports and kart games taking place at the end due to Bowser being on more amiable terms. But I always interpreted it as more of a temporary truce. We see in the games that the Mario Kart races are big events with tons of sponsors and ads for in-universe products plastered throughout the race tracks. I imagine Bowser and other antagonistic characters are willing to be team players for the sake of revenue as these events would be a great way to make money. (I imagine Bowser is compensated handsomely for allowing one of his castles to be converted into a race track)
- There actually is a niche part of the fandom dedicated to talking about this kind of thing. There’s a whole subreddit called Marioverse which is moderated by Tumblr user Sean D.Walsh who made an impressive timeline on his blog that I’d recommend checking out.
This is wonderful and covers way more ground than I expected going in. A few random notes:
- Mario & Luigi visit Pop Star at some point, as they're seen in the audience of the King Dedede fight in the Spring Breeze subgame of Kirby Super Star, and they along with Birdo and Toad appear in the audience for the Megaton Punch mini-game in the same game.
- The Beanbean Kingdom should be on the same continent as the Mushroom Kingdom, as the game depicts Stardust Fields as a borderland region between the Beanbean and Mushroom Kingdoms.
- Even excluding the connections to Konami properties through Bomberman, there are connections to Earth through depictions in Mario's Time Machine and Mario is Missing.
- The Koopas repeatedly seek the power of the stars in the games (Super Mario 64, Paper Mario, Super Mario Galaxy, etc.), and in Super Mario World we learn there are multiple entrances to an otherwise-unreachable place called the Star World scattered across Dinosaur Land. Perhaps this explains the Magikoopas' sustained interest in that region -- is their magic related to the stars?
Mario is Missing and Mario's Time Machine likely follow the same canon as the 90s Mario movie because of their use of the actual Earth. It's likely that Bowser was out for revenge after the movie and decided to attack Mario on his home turf.
There is also the rabbit hole of the mario and sonic games that take place in real world locations so that means there is real world access to the mushroom kingdom. And access to whatever planet most sonic games take place on idk the name of the planet.
@@snookerdooker471 It's just reffered to as "earth", that names been dropped a couple times.
So the edutainment games likely take place in the OG movie timeline, and the Mario and Sonic games could possibly take place in the Sonic timeline?
Wallace and Gromit is canon because Shaun the sheep is a character in Mario Maker 1
It makes sense that each kingdom is themed after a thing thats abundent in there area
The Kart Cups are also themed after this, implying that the Cups are made per each kingdom’s theme
Which is why the mario kart games tend to have so many characters as its basically an in universe olympics
Is Coconut Mall in the Flower Kingdom?
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All the mario circuits too apparently lol
@@autismandgaming4532 this can only mean one thing... getting coconut malled is a meme within the mario universe as well.
@@autismandgaming4532coconut mall is on isle delfino. But what you said makes me excited for the next mario kart game. Imagine what ideas for tracks or power ups they'll use from wonder
@@AidenHilton981Coconut Mall is not on Isle Delfino, but rather one of the surrounding islands.
I’m surprised you managed to connect Sonic to Mario through Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine of all things, rather than through their multiple outings at the Olympic Games or when Lost World had a literal Yoshi-themed DLC level.
I would also like to add that the possibility of a connection between Mario and the Pikmin series. Peach’s crown and a mushroom with growth enhancement capabilities are both treasures in Pikmin 2, and Pikmin themselves have been present since Toadstool Tour and have been seen more frequently since Nintendo World. It’s not impossible to suggest that the post-apocalyptic world Pikmin takes place on was formerly Mario’s world before Wario incited a nuclear arms race, with Pikmin being the only survivors of the old world by downsizing to adapt to the new harsh biosphere.
E Gadd also is quite similar to the whole humanoids in pikmin who live on different planets and are nearly identical but their ears and diet, the latter could come from the whole theme thing 19:10)
@@hokton8555 ok here's my theory: e gadd escapes mario planet after wario incites nuclear warfare, creating whatever race olimar is in order for him to pass on his lineage, and mario planet is only discovered a long time later when the entire biosphere has changed and pikmin emerge as the dominant species
We can make the connection between Puyo Puyo and Sonic stronger by pointing the following facts:
1- Sonic is a playable character in Puyo Puyo Tetris 2.
2- The Puyos (Or Mean Beans) appear in a boss battle in Sonic Mania.
Don't forget that when Lost World came out, it had a special Skyward Sword crossover, and given how Skyward Sword is basically ground Zero of the Zelda franchise, it would further tie the connections between Zelda and Mario. It is notable to also bring up the movie Wreck-it Ralph, and argue Smash Bros occurs in the Central Hub, which includes the Internet, The Emojis from the Emoji Movie and our real world. Effectively, the technology tech tree in itself has a life of its own there can be dimensional travel. With this connection in mind, we can now connect it to the Super Mario Bros Super Show, where Mario retires and goes to our dimension, specifically Brooklyn, becoming a humble plumber who keeps loosing his license, but is relied upon when threats emerge. This meta connection being crossed over, also explains Sonic's antics in the human world, with Eggman being Elon Musk if he was an actual genius, becoming a human villain in the tech world (thank you Sonic Movie and Wreck it Ralph), enough to cause the events of Sonic Adventure- onwards. What really interests me, is that in Sonic Adventure 2 (and re confirmed in the Sonic Movie), the United States government learns about Eggman and his grandfather, making the ultimate life form based on aliens he's found. Hilariously, humans end up teaching our own dimension's aliens about the power of our video games and the larger technology metaverse, and using that knowledge to make recreations of Arcade video game characters by corrupting video game beings and having them invade Earth in the mid-80s where Adam Sandler and the President of the United States together beat the aliens.
TL;DR the Adam Sandler extended universe is canon to the mario franchise.
@@TheNinToaster no… NOOOOOO!
While I don't think it's all one universe with Kirby/Zelda/etc, I do think that the multiple universes are linked through Kirby. Kirby literally lives in Dream Land, and the Fountain of Dreams is said to be the source of all good dreams. I think Kirby's universe is a base dream world that connects all of the Nintendo properties, and is the place people go when they sleep. It's how Wart was able to go from Mario's dream (in Super Mario USA) to the Wind Fish's dream (Link's Awakening).
Kirby is also chock full of references to other series. The entirety of Great Cave Offensive, for example. You also mentioned Samus in Dream Land 3, but the game also features Professor Hector, who created ROB, and other non-Smash fighter cameos (Chao and Goku). Amazing Mirror also shows that Kirby's universe is connected to Master and Crazy Hands, as they're literally bosses in that game.
i think i love this concept
Goku confirmed for Smash?????
holy based
super mario 2 is finally real
@@platinum-or3y always has been. They actually made a sequel on Satellaview that we never got in the west that proves the game actually happened
I highly doubt Sunshine of all games would be the end of the timeline. Mario and Peach clearly never met Bowser Jr. before in that game as Peach asked "So you're Bowser's son?" and he'd become a recurring antagonist in later games where Mario and Co. are more familiar with him.
And at the end of the game Junior says “someday I want to fight that Mario again!” which wouldn’t make sense if he’d already fought Mario a dozen times before.
Mario games happen in release date order unless stated otherwise, that's how I view it, and is the one that makes more sense in a timeline
Edit: also when was it stated that Bowser was created by kamek? Bowser is just a child that was abandoned and has no parents, so kamek, which already had an army, and we could say a kingdom, took care of Bowser, and Bowser because of jealousy ordered kamek to kidnap all the babies, and kamek doing whatever Bowser wants did that, leading us to the start of the mario series Super Mario World 2, Yoshi's island (which has sequels like Yoshi's island ds, were it introduced the star children, which are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Donkey Kong, Wario and I think Bowser but I'm not sure)
@@mariotheundying Yeah, I see it that way too. And Bowser is indeed a Star Child.
@@mariotheundyingThere was missed opportunity to actually talk about Waluigi in a non-joke manner. Maybe his reason for working for the Star villain of Mario Party 3 (and stars are pivotal in this universe, him and the dark star from BIS seem to indicate a lot more isn't shown in the games) was because of him learning about the so-called star children and wanting to take them down a peg. This is how he meets Wario (not a blood brother) and learns there's another person just like him.
yeah, maybe near the middle before he started being a regular boss but quite a while after all the rest had been at it. Could still have been the start of the races and sport events though, as fighting could be in a competition too.
You know it's going to be good when in the third minute the "Map of the Mario Universe" brings up Banjo and Conker.
Metroid being canon to the Mario Universe would also make Pikmin canon seeing as Pikmin 1 references Space pirates which are the main antagonists of some Metroid games. But that raises it’s own questions with Pikmin having split timelines and a post apocalyptic depiction of earth, which Kirby also has Multiple of, and Kirby lore is it’s own can of worms; Also Hatsune Miku was on Super Mario Maker. Is Hatsune Miku Canon to Mario? Are Vocaloids Canon to Mario? Is The Internet Canon to Mario? Should I touch Grass?
Aren't there pikmin in one of the mario gold games?
Space pirates is just a generic term, used for pirates in space, and Metroid was just incredibly uncreative with naming its main enemy force. As such, I don't think there's a connection there. Otherwise, we might need to pull in other so-called-space pirates mentioned in other properties such as Doctor Who.
If you want to bring Pikmin in, there's already Mario references in the Pikmin games, although it's more likely that Mario existed as a game franchise in the Pikmin universe than as an actual history.
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It's true, if you meant Golf. In an old mario Golf game, pikmin fly out of flowers if you hit your ball in the flower patches. So pikmin do exist here, but like you'd expect, there really tiny.
Super mario maker is more like an in-universe game. We see multiple characters like Bowser JR, Kamek, and bowser's levels in SMM2's story mode, and the game makes reference to mario paint, another in-universe program (perhaps its an evolution of that and WWDIY's machine). So while Hatsune Miku *could* exist, its more likely that she's a digital icon for them just like in real life.
per another comment, the Wreck-It-Ralph movies mean that the internet is canon to Mario, and thus yes, Hatsune Miku is real
The idea that wario came before Mario and Luigi is fucking hilarious I love it
Pulling in Star Fox also brings F-Zero into the universe. For the uninitiated: both Arwings and F-Zero machines utilize a G-Diffuser system, both series include a version of a James McCloud, in an ending of Star Fox Command Fox & Falco become G-Zero racers, in another ending of Star Fox Command an older Falco can be seen wearing Captain Falcons boots, and also in Star Fox Command there is fight against Octoman who is also an F-Zero character.
Also the Great Cave Offensive in Kirby Superstar basically connects a ton of games depending on whether you are playing the original on the SNES or the DS remake.
I don't think you can both claim SF shares F0's universe and acknowledge they have distinct versions of James McCloud.
My theory is that since space is so vast, some people may not even know that James Mcloudd died, every even existed. I think the guy in f zero is some cheap knock-off who just assumed the name for his career.
@@Eichro Yeah, it's a lot closer to something like a parallel reality version of the characters.
@@Eichro The Zelda world has parallel realities in basically each game.
and the F-Zero games and Star Fox actually have parallel universes too.
The real question would be "which of each franchise parallel universes are tied to each other?"
@@Unithrex The F-Zero events happen before the Lylat wars, so that would be the other way around.
There is also a Peppy Hare and a Pigma Dengar in F-Zero lore and a lylat system.
The difference being James alive, mentioning his son and their team being the "Galaxy Dog".
the fact that conker is canon means people in the mario-verse swear
And drink
I am a little surprised you did not take the geography of the Mario series more seriously. This topic is more deserving of a 4 hour long video.
I always figured after the entire galaxy is reset at the end of Mario Galaxy, that’s when Bowser just gave up and played sports. All the enemies are partying with the toads at the very end like a ceasefires been called and I mean.. if your defeat brings about the end of the universe and when it resets you STILL haven’t won you might as well just count your loses
Mario Galaxy 2 kind of breaks this, unfortunately.
@@mustacheman529 Since the game starts out as a story book, it can be viewed as largely non-canonical and just a story being told, the real thing that throws a wrench in it all is 3D World including Rosalina as completion content if you could that sort of thing as cannon
@@brennenwilde4303 The game may be a story book, the events shown in it happened, as shown by the Luma still having Mario's hat outside the story book. And yes, I supposed 3D World also counts against it.
@@mustacheman529 maybe bowser just relapses at some point lol, the beginning of MG2 does say something about the festival happening “once a century” or something. And if the festival is happening in MG1 that also implies Mario lives 100 years without visually aging, which would solve the Kranky DKIII age difference problem if we assume Kongs age normally
@brennenwilde4303 I've personally always headcanonned that the universe reset in Galaxy 1 just reset the cycle for the comet event, so it happened not too long after.
If there's one part of the Mario universe that's always interested me and is almost never talked about, it's that one weird unnamed city/island from Mario Kart 8. Y'know, the one under N64 Rainbow Road with all the pretty lights and whatnot? What really gets me about that place is that it:
- Is where Toad Harbour is located, as both this track and N64RR have the Peach parody of the Statue visible in the background
- Is where Super Bell Subway is also located, as there are maps of the island located around the track, some detailing names of other tracks in the game
- Has giant bridges sticking out of it on multiple sides, spanning far out into the ocean
All implying that this place is largely used as a communal area where people are able to travel to the different tracks and locations across the series in-universe. And yet, this place isn't even part of the Mushroom Kingdom, judging by how it's mostly just isolated in the middle of the ocean in the middle of nowhere.
I kinda wish someone analysed this a little more, or even if Nintendo mentioned it sometime, because 9 years later it's still one heck of a mystery.
It’s been pretty thoroughly analysed by the Mario lore/mapping community. Check out Project Marioverse.
It’s called Toad City, it’s in the Mushroom Kingdom. There’s countryside south of it where Moo Moo Meadows and Moo Moo Farm are located.
@@seandwalsh3 interesting stuff... I gotta look into this more
I feel like a lot of this you have the right vague IDEA, but I’m not sure the linear timeline of events here makes sense, or the way you treat these diverse locations, at least not entirely.
The way I think that a lot of this could be cleaner? If we treat the block thing as 1000% canon, then I think we must also treat the other main detail from the SMB manual as canon too: Mario and Luigi coming from another world through a warp pipe. This is a lore detail so important that they made it a whole part of the movie for Pete’s sake!
And really, things like Mario refereeing for the WVBA (where all of the fighters are listed to be from Earth locales) make a whole lot more sense if we treat the Mario universe as being an interconnected set of ‘realms’, where one realm is a parallel Earth, another has the various Kingdoms we see in mainline and spin-off Mario titles alike (everything from the Beanbean kingdom to the Flower kingdom to Sarasaland to eeeeeeverything in Odyssey and more), another is the realm of Dreams that link and Mario both visit, which would lead to another one probably being Hyrule’s world (especially given that the Zelda series has its own self contained cosmology and pantheon that otherwise treat the world as an isolated reality), and you could go on. There’s also the factor of there being different planets in one selfsame universe that you mentioned, but I think that what planets are part of which greater realm is kind of iffy.
And yeah you can say that using a sort of ‘multiverse’ approach is lazy, but especially given that a number of games seem to address isekai themes very directly it’s hard to simply scrub it aside, not to mention this is not just ‘a bunch of disconnected realities with a few interlopers’ but instead ‘closely linked parallel worlds whose inhabitants gradually become more and more integrated as they become aware of each other’.
Great video all the same though!
I think this is the best answer. Mario's universe definitely has some sort of inter-universal transport. I do think the extraterrestrial connections like star fox, Kirby, Metroid, and f-zero are canon, but beyond that I think they're out of universe. Mario and Luigi are definitely from Brooklyn.
While the linear timeline of events in this video isn’t exactly correct, there is a linear timeline of events that does make sense.
The block thing is canon, but the manual NEVER says Mario and Luigi came from another world through a Warp Pipe. That’s a common misconception.
None of these other series (Punch-Out!!, Zelda) are canon to Mario. It’d be best if they were just left out. The universe of Mario on its own is rich enough to fill 100 videos.
@@MicroTwentyMario and Luigi were born in the Mushroom Kingdom and grew up in New Donk City. They’ve never been from or even lived in Brooklyn in the games. That was invented by American licensed media.
FWIW you basically just reinvented Videoland from Captain N?
Which I say as a compliment, because that's always been my favorite conception of how all this fits together,
@@seandwalsh3 I mean, I was just considering how best to marry the mario we see in the arcade games with the mario we see in everything from the NES onward, speaking of the NES it would be ideal to cast Punch Out aside were it not for the fact that Mario is... y'know, in it as a rather prominent cameo role, and reconciling real world locations with the geography of this other planet is most easily handled by saying "oh yeah they both exist interdependently of one another". In theory I could just set aside Punch Out anyway, but between that and retroactively declaring that every big city scene we've ever seen has been in Metro Kingdom and nowhere else, I'd rather treat New Donk as a cultural blending of Earth and this other world that happened as a result of parties from both sides becoming increasingly involved with each other.
This can also easily canonize stuff like Mario Kart Tour's tracks, where real world locales have been given a (temporary or not) whimsical coat of paint by all these visitors from the other world intermingling more and more with an Earth that's looking less and less mundane.
And really, in all honesty, I just really like this concept of these two worlds harmlessly blending and exchanging with one another anyway
A few things across the spin-offs + notes that I feel should've been included:
-Although Sunshine ties up Bowser's relationship with Peach, I believe that Bowser either has a mutual agreement to continue conflicting with the Mario Bros. or is simply focused on taking over the Kingdoms and/or winning over the Bros. There are multiple games with post-Sunshine elements where Bowser still fights against the Bros, even in the sports games. Or maybe he just likes a bit of chaos every now and then.
-The Fawful conflict. Fawful is a re-occuring character across the RPG's who's plans are seen being brought to fruition as early as Superstar Saga as seen in Bowser's Minions. This conflict may possibly be post-Sunshine considering that Bowser is the one taking the Bros. to the Beanbean Kingdom. This also opens up...
-3RD CONTACT: The Shroobs, Dark Star, Geno, and the Smithy Gang(?). Due to shenanigans with a time travel machine (more on that later), E.Gadd accidentally brings down an alien race known as the Shroobs. After this whole conflict, Fawful gains access to the Dark Star, an evil artifact held away by the Star Sprites of the Mushroom Kingdom. The Dark Star's home and its motives/relations are unknown.
Geno is a character sent from the Star Road, which is presumably related to Rainbow Road and the secret worlds of SMW, SM3DL and SM3DW. He helps Mario in repairing Star Road against the Smithy Gang, a massive army commanded by none other than Smithy himself. These characters are from another dimension of unknown origin, hailing from Exor, of which they use as a method of travelling between the dimensions.
-TIME TRAVEL. Due to the whole Shroob conflict, a rip in space and time forms, which allows the baby and older versions of the Mario characters to be in one place, together. This could potentially be how the events of Mario's Time Machine happens, as well as how the Mario Kart games, and Yoshi's Island DS have paradoxical things such as baby characters existing in the wrong places and ages.
-Smash Bros. Although Smash Bros could be seen as fiction, there is one character that appears and co-exists amongst the characters... the Metals. I believe the Metals to be a some kind of symbiotic race like Venom, as Metal Mario his variants are seen as both as power-ups and of nemesis to Mario.
-2D Plane. As seen in Paper Mario, Odyssey, and SMRPG, some entities in the Mario universe like specifically on a 2D space. Culex specifically talks about this in SMRPG, and is shown to still be a sprite in the 3D remake. Odyssey also has sections where Mario is able to become a 2D entity for platforming, and Paper Mario is, well, living paper. This means that the entirety of Paper Mario is a dimension of its own seperate of The 2D as shown by Paper Jam.
-More about Dreams. The events of Dream Team suggest that dreams do have a seperate world as shown by Antasma's schemes. Dreams can also be brought into the real world, which would explain Dreamy Bowser, and why themes from Subcon are able to appear in the real world.
Great video! You forgot about all the alternate dimension stuff though, which a whole can of worms. The Smithy Gang from Super Mario RPG use this to take over for a little bit. Also the Paper Mario World is another dimension accessed through a storybook. And this can explain how stuff like Smash happens, it's just a hub for different dimensions with portals made by Master Hand or something.
Though Paper Mario opens up a whole other can of worms, does that mean that places like Rogueport and all the dimensions in Super exist in the normal Mario World also? I mean the star Spirits already exist in both Paper Mario and the normal Mario World, plus Black paint with Color Splash and then Bowser's Fury, so maybe? Obviously stuff like the Royal Stickers and Origami of living beings doesn't exist in the form they do since that relies on the world being made of Paper, but it's interesting to notate how the earlier game could or could not be canon with normal Mario as well.
Also to tie into the Subcon Dream stuff, there's also Pi'illo Island, whose residents are naturally attuned with the "Dream World," along with other characters like Antasma and Luigi being naturally attuned with it. Perhaps Mario being Luigi's brother also created a pseudo Dream portal in Super Mario Bros 2? That would explain how characters like Birdo who once were part of a dream, came to the Mushroom World, maybe they entered the world through a Dream portal?
Finally, the long-awaited Mario universe video has been made! As something of a lore nut myself, I really appreciate the attempt to fully map out this whole maddening canon the Mario franchise has!
Also, if Kirby and Zelda are indeed part of the Mario universe then there's potentially 2 very interesting connections that can be made:
1) In Rosalina's story book, the first Luma she meets has apparently been waiting for his mother, who he says would be travelling on a comet. While the comet itself isn't important, the fact that there was a Star Mother before Rosalina could imply that the Star Mother is an incarnation of Void (from Kirby Star Allies' Soul Melter EX mode), a god that incarnates whenever it encounters extreme emotion, in this case motherly love. This may have some precedent since Zero, the source of Dark Matter in Kirby, is believed by many to be an incarnation of Void born from extreme hatred that, much like the Star Mother, can incarnate multiple times (see Kirby's Dream Land 3 and Kirby 64).
2) Since the Dark Star from Bowser's Inside Story is a being of darkness that needs to be sealed by the "Seven Sages" and the sealing power of a mystical princess... So the Dark Star is likely a form or offshot of Ganon. Either an offshoot like Agahnim in A like to the Past/the Magician from Zelda 2 or the actual damaged mind of Ganon that was stripped from his body by Twinrova's botched resurrection ritual in the Oracle games.
Thank you for coming to my deranged lore-based TED talk.
The dark star also appears on Magolor's Lor Starcutter ship during the final sequence of Kirby's Return to Dream Land
My theory is that Bowser Jr is a rebel against his father, allying himself with Mario & co in secret
(Not to say he hates Bowser, he just is against his regime in the Koopa Kingdom)
The only person who can make portals from paint is Bowser Jr, so he must have been the one to set up all the paintings in Mario 64
He purposefully made the paintings lead to places full of Power Stars bowser had stolen
This is because he felt bad about what he did in Luigi's Mansion, trapping Mario in a painting (although he was likely manipulated into doing it by King Boo)
And all this is why he allies with Mario in Bowser's Fury
He definitely didn't trap Mario in a painting, that's just something king boo can do on his own.
In Mario 64 it was literally said that Bowser made those paintings using the Power Stars. He even invites Mario to try and find the stars. Also Jr joins Mario in Bowser's fury because Bowser was literally possessed by evil magic goop.
Except king boo can do that without help, I don't think he gave a quick call to bowser jr in Luigis mansion 2 and 3, and I'm pretty sure king boo was sealed in the mansion in 1, making it impossible for it to contact jr, and I dont think he made a quick call there either
I think it's also worth mentioning the book supposedly containing the paper mario universe; my interpretation is that it simply retells some of mario's past adventures, but at some point the magikoopas managed to place a curse on it, bringing those retellings to life and releasing them into the world on exactly one occasion
A couple things I've picked up on that you forgot about:
1. Due to the rhythm heaven series being closely related to warioware, I feel like it would've been appropriate to put those games on the list especially since they have a canonical land that those games take place in.
2. I'm not sure if you mentioned this in the kong family tree video but it seems like you didn't talk about the lands and characters from the donkey kong jungle beat game like the cactus king and dread kong.
Ice climbers exist in this universe with the penguin island or ice lands in the south. And the the idea that splatoon exists in a a post apocalyptic Mario world and universe makes so much sense because big man traumatized me from an old sting ray fight in super Mario sunshine resembling the paint from that boss fight
The people in the flower kingdom watching everything go down in the mushroom like it’s a regular afternoon Tuesday
Wario being a war profiteer of the Koopa Kingdom/Mushroom Kingdom conflict is an analysis I was not expecting today
But a very welcome one
I love stuff like this. It may not be officially 'canon' but it's really fun to set up your own head canon and explore it.
I never thought I would find Mario lore so interesting. I mean they are traditionally platformers I never thought I’d want to learn too much lore
Man. It's been crazy to watch your channel grow from your old videos. Love to see it, incredible how far it's come. Can't wait for what's next, great content
My fav theory about the Mario universe is, as I call it, the Actor Theory.
It was born when realizing that making a Mario timeline is impossible as some games contradict themselves. The biggest example of that is in Lugi's Mansion where Mario and Luigi meet E. Gadd for the first time and where a fortune teller ghost tells us that "Mario had soundly defeated Bowser" while wondering if "King Boo somehow revived Bowser", meaning that in this game, Bowser is dead, but like really dead forever. But in some later games, like Mario & Luigi Partners in Time, we have Mario & Luigi, already knowing E. Gadd while Bowser is alive. Yeah, clearly Mario games are just fictions made without that much care about a perfect continuity, so how is it possible to make a perfect continuity?
You don't. If they're all fictions that can't have a perfect continuity, then let's just say that they're that in their own diegesis! We already know that SMB3 is a stage play, and it's hinted that other games are fictions too, SM64 has a cameraman, Paper Mario games are books. Maybe some could even be video games! X^) So why not extending that to the other games?
But obviously, those fiction would reside in a same world, a coherent one with a perfect continuity that can be inferred by what we see of it: The Actor World. The world where Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Wario, and everyone else are just the actors partially making those fictions. And not all games have to be in the Fiction World, some would clearly happen in the Actor World. Games that would be hard to place in a classic model, that don't have much to do with the main ones like maybe for the DKC games (but we'll talk about those later), or where the Mario characters are out of character compared to the main games, like for the Arcade Mario games, likely happening before Mario being a renown actor, or the Wario Ware series, and the Mario Kart, Tennis, Golf, Strikerz, etc. which are like an intermediate: they happen in the real world but the actors are still playing their characters while Karting, Tennissing, Golfing, Strikerzing, etc., with some even having fiction in it like the last Mario Tennis, those games would kinda be like catching.
There is just one series which I'm not sure if it would be in the Actor World or the Fiction World though, those being the sequels of Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong 2 is probably in the Actor World given how Mario is the fricking bad guy. But for Donkey Kong GameBoy and the Mario vs DK series, it's hard to tell. I think that the events of Donkey Kong were what made Mario famous, allowing him to be an actor, and that those games are just an adaptation of the events of Donkey Kong, and with modern DK, not OG DK which is Cranky, also joining the actors. That also leaves the DKC games (and the other Rare games by extension) which are so disconnected to the Mario games that it's really hard to know if they're Fictions or happening in the Actor World. I think they're fictions though, 't would be weird for DK to leave the island he's protecting to be an actor among other reasons but a case could be made for them to be a part of the Actor World I guess.
But outside of that minor inconvenience. The Actor Theory is really just a perfect explanation about all of the Mario Universe, and a relatively simple one too. It just works. It also makes theorizing about Mario games easier, with the games that makes the least sense simply out of the question. Because yes, it's still possible to theorize about the Fiction World (which btw could very well be Fiction WorldS) as, like irl, even though they don't have a perfect consistency, there's still a consistency. And for the imperfect parts, we can jus say that they're inconsistencies, which would be hard to buy if we pretend it's a fully coherent world, but with the Actor Theory, it's easier to accept that there are inconsistencies in the Fiction World(s).
It explains a lot, is consistent, is simple, makes sense, nothing disproves it (as far as I know), it's an explanation that doesn't come out of nowhere, and it makes theorizing about those worlds easier and better while expanding the universe of the series, and I don't know about any other model about the Mario diegesis that does all of that better. I really don't see why it shouldn't be accepted by everyone. :^)
Oh and fun fact since the vid is a bout "A Map of the Mario Universe", it is possible to make a map of the Actor World. In Mario Kart 8's DLC/Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, in the Super Bell Subway, there is a map with most of the game's racetracks, which are locations of the Actor World, it's a subway map obviously so it's not the most reliable source of information but it's still one. With this map and the tracks it's possible to make a rough map of the game, and other games withe educated guesses, and thus have a rough map of a part of the Actor World, which is super cool.
I could give links to the map here but TH-cam doesn't like links to things that aren't TH-cam being in comments so here's instead the vid of the person who made the map, with the links to the maps being in the description. Maybe you could even watch the vid if you want and either understand French or trust in TH-cam's automatic subtitle translation.
th-cam.com/video/s_9ZjraOOs4/w-d-xo.html
Because saying that everything is a dream or a work of fiction is a cop out.
@@noahohaver, no lol. I know that those type of theories are often disregarded immediately without even thinking more about it but that is just a really stupid thing to do. Let me explain:
Many fiction/dream theories are great, work completely, and can even pretend to be the most likely to be correct models for their fictions. But most of the time no one cares about even looking into those because of some other, like Ash's coma for the most famous, that... Ugh. I would't even dare to call them theories. They're just stupid useless off the mark rationalisation that pulls a middle finger at while not caring in the slightest about the work they pretend to be about, its messages, its authors and its fans. So in a nutshell big shit of a "theory".
Mario's Actor Theory (and others like FnaF 4's and Majora's Mask's Dream Theories) is not like that at all. It's not here mainly to explain everything, as it is possible do explain most of Mario without it even though it makes it harder. No, this theory is here to enrich and expand the series, it is based on in-game elements, doesn't destroy the canon's logic, and may even be partially intentional by the developers as Miyamoto himself said things in interviews that points at this Theory being true. Simply said, it doesn't take content away from the games, it's still possible to analyse and theorize about the Fiction World, it only adds to it. Rejecting such a model purely because of it's form is futile and off the mark, it's fundamentally not the same thing as the big shits of a "theory".
If you still see it as a Ash's coma-like shit, you didn't get it, in which case I surely didn't explain well and I'm sorry for it. And I also know that it can be really hard to stop disregarding all theories about dreams fictions and things like that. :^(
This was a great start! You could quadruple this into a multi hour video if you feel the mood
This is really cool! One of my favorite, and one of few remaining, TH-cam passions is people exploring and interpreting the inconsistent and fantastical lore/timeline of Nintendo’s universe. I love this stuff.
A few things I noticed, though:
New Donk is not meant to be the literal location of Donkey Kong (1981). If so, not only does every one of Mario’s “workman-era” games, as mentioned, have to take place there, but so does Punch-Out. That features characters who, like Mario, were meant to be from real world places.
Also, Donkey Kong I (Cranky), was at one time one of Mario’s jobs. He worked at a circus where DK was performing. He may not have founded Donkey Kong island yet (or rediscovered/returned home).
Also Waluigi isn’t necessarily Wario’s brother. Just a partner in crime.
Also, Bowser refers to the “Royal Koopa Bloodline” at one point. I don’t think he was created by the Magikoopas. Unless Kamek just lied to him about it I guess. I tend to think Bowser is part of a special, rare species of Koopa which is so powerful that particular bloodlines are the undisputed ruler of all Koopa. That might be why he adopted the Koopalings.
I actually like that the way the mushroom kingdom is a seperate world/continent connects a lot with both the movie and mario oddyssey, amazing video, trying to find cohesiveness in these games is difficult and you did very well
Super Mario Odyssey has an actual world map, so we know where the Mushroom Kingdom and New Donk City are at least.
Because of Peachette, my theory is that Peach herself is a special kind of toad.
Mario Party DS ends with Bowser befriending Mario and the gang, explaining stuff like Mario Kart, and no one ever talks about it
I've thought a lot about crossovers like this, and believe me pulling in half the gaming industry is an understatement. You could pull in just about every significant pop culture thing eventually - Fortnite has tons of connections including DC & Marvel which have been crossing over with stuff for decades, Smash Bros is only one step away from other big crossovers like Project X Zone & Kingdom Hearts, I could go on. Every new connection you make tends to pull in more connections, so you'll find your crossover web will grow exponentially.
the peach theory is false because we’ve seen her many times without a crown
@@gabyreveluv that's why she's special, she looks like this permanently instead of needing a special item like Toadette
Could you imagine explaining real world history like this?
I'm convinced that Ice Climbers also takes place in the Mario world
You forgot Skylanders as Bowser and DK (the third or Junior or whatever we’re calling him now) are playable characters and have a comic detailing their arrival to the skylands
So the Mario universe is also connected to Spyro, interesting
The Skylands are intresting to place, the Skylands are in the middle of the Universe. But they are also infinite and contain alternate Realities, Dimensions and possibly timelines.
I think Sonic and even Earthworm Jim exist in the Mario universe due to Sonic's shoes and Jim's gun being found in Cranky's Video Game Heroes in DKC2. This also confirms the existence of Hyrule in the Mario universe because Link is there too.
Bear in mind, Cranky is a Fourth Wall breaker
I find it slightly hilarious that the Movie's interpretation of the Kong kingdom is EXACTLY the opposite of this one, lol.
Excellent video, btw! Everything is very well thought out, and I love hearing your theories!
This dude is insanely underrated 😫, I see no other channel going so far and deep into this kind of game content.
Please give us more, you're awesome
As someone working on her own timeline and big lore ideas, this was very enjoyable! The idea of Bowser being a dark magic construct made by the Magikoopas is very interesting indeed. I’m not as knowledgeable about the DK and Wario series, so the Wario-Sarasaland connection is something I’ll have to look into myself!
Personally, I believe that Sunshine takes place smack in the middle of the timeline, assuming that this is the first time Mario or Peach encounters Jr., which is a major crux of my timeline! Imaging the ending as Bowser’s villainy breaking point is quite a fun twist, though.
Anyway, lots of interesting takes, and helped me with my own lore/timeline ideas! Well done video!
Timestamps:
1:37 Ooh Banana
4:27 You want fun? Wario Show you fun!
6:28 Swing your arms from Side to Side
8:00 Storm Area 51
10:22 I spent Hours of my life stomping... KOOPAS!
14:37 Minecraft Manhunt
16:18 The Moon landing was "Faked"
19:57 What the fu-boom
20:39 Gadzooks!
26:06 We did it Patrick! We Saved the City!
This is extremely well thought out and executed. Props man 👍
There was so much time and care put into this, i wish there were more nintendo yt videos like this, that explore lore that isnt outright explained, but can be put together if you pay attention to the details
This is incredible. I've always loved playing around with potential canon for this franchise in my head so it's really fun to see others do so too! I'd totally watch a series based around the things discussed in this vid
I adore massive deep dive videos like this. Fantastic work!
Great video. Loved the unveiling of all the pieces.
Amazing video! A little disappointed as a Mario and Luigi nut that you left out the other locales and implications from the other games past superstar sage and the beanbean kingdom. The shroobs invading the mushroom kingdom/world in the past because their world is barren and the bros having to team up with their past selves, the pi'illo island and its ancient history and connection to the larger dream world (and subcon presumably), and the book in paper jam containing the alternate dimension of paper folk where paper mario takes place have vast implications for mario lore and wouldve loved to see you try to make em fit!
This video was a lot of fun man, I'd love one that goes fully in depth on the Mario universe; maybe in multiple uploads?? In any case yeah this was great fun!!
It’s a good thing you stopped while you can, because if you tried to include everything, you’d end up with not only half of the video game industry, but also half of the film industry. It’s insane how much it ramps up from basically anywhere. That’s the magic of cameos. Like, every character, at least the playable ones in Smash Bros, (and way more,) can canonically exist in some way, except for Min Min. Because Arms was too new, and they didn’t add Little Mac to the roster.
This also puts an infinite multiverse level of stakes for the World of Light. Now I’m questioning how many times the world was in threat of being ruined, or how many times the apocalypse occurred. Also how is none of this coming up in conversations for the other series? Like a sitcom character could of said about all of this junk that exists in their world, and the amount of times the world was saved. Or the fact that magic exists in multiple forms, or that they’re hundreds of literal gods, or even Pokémon. How are most religions supposed to work as intended, when there’s literally magic to bring back people to life, and actual gods? I can go on with questions about all of this, but I will stop here. It’s just interesting to think about…everything I said in this single comment that like 2 people will read.
I love this video. Thank you for making it
This is an incredible video because this can go on forever depending on how you look at it, yet you still managed to sum it up brilliantly. I even started to think about Great Cave Offensive and WarioWare's microgames and Mario sports games as ways of connecting even more franchises, like Mr. Saturn in Great Cave Offensive connecting EarthBound, the Falchion connecting Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy characters appearing in Mario sports games connecting it, Kingdom Hearts and Disney to this world. Not to mention how Xenoblade Chronicles is connected to Xeno Saga which has Kazuya Mishima in it. With Tekken and Pac-Man having many different crossovers, we can connect so much to Mario Kart Arcade GP. As said, this can go on and on
If only Mario had a thing similar to the Sonic IDW comics so we could see some world building going on. This is a really interesting video!
This is incredibly cool. I love this video so much.
this is a masterpiece
Thanks Thom! 💚
Doki doki panic was originally a mario game, it got changed to be a crossover, it was designed as a mario game first and the playable characters and a few other things like mushrooms were the only things changed
I'm somewhat happy to see I'm not the only one who's willing to suffer fate of trying to figure out Mario lore and universe.
I like to think of Wario as a man of all trades, you can put him in any situation give him any task, and if it involves earning or saving money, he will immediately do it, no questions asked.
okay that was fairly good. You hit on something there with the Dream/Subcon dimension connecting the Mario and Zelda universe. and after tech or magic advances enough they could probably open portals to bring everyone to the same spot for a gigantic contest like in SSB. Subspace emissary had some wild shit going on with it.
my man🤝this is an absolute bonkers attempt at a greater mario universe/timeline and I respect it
I just assume that the mushroom kingdom is a large domain, composing of several monarchies (mario 3). but is probably somewhere close to Yoshi's Island (and indirectly, Dinosaur Land. if the Yo'ster Isle being yoshi's island in Mario RPG means anything). early promotional materials for Odyssey shows Delphino Isle as part of the world map but was removed (it still remains in the game's data as UV mapping data for the globe). also DK94 is a prequel to Super Mario Bros since DK ingests a poison mushroom and grows at the end, you even see the mushroom kingdom. Wario having the ability to fly planes isn't really uncommon since there's Wario's Woods, VB Wario Land and Wario Land 3. would not be surprised if the timeline went Yoshi's Island, Island DS, Donkey Kong, Mario Bros, Donkey Kong 2, Donkey Kong 94, Super Mario Bros, 3, World. if the DS version of 64 was canon, maybe Mario Land, Mario Land 2, Wario Land, 64 DS?
Also, Lolo and Lala are *not* Lololo and Lalala. presumably, they added an extra La/Lo, because the Lolo characters were made independently from Nintendo's involvement as far back as the MSX days, whereas Kirby is a combined HAL Labs/Nintendo collaboration. it may help that the Lolo games were originally made by remixing levels from previous games (with dubious JP/US release windows). this also excludes the extended Eggerland characters as well as the Part Time UFO characters since it was made separately from nintendo as a mobile game.
One take i would assume is that any place that seems relatively in-line with the real world could probably be tossed aside as New Donk City, like Donkey Kong, Mario Bros and Wrecking Crew. the Wario games seems arguably more cartoony but themed to a degree. like having islands named after kitchen appliances, condiments and food. a few indirect characters/monarch in Wario-related games have food names like princess shokora (Japanese-phonetic french word for Chocolate), maaaaaybe Prince Sablé and Princess Tiramisu (if the Mad Sciencestein in the Wario Land games are the same one from The Frog the Bell Tolls?). also technically-fictional characters like Count Cannoli, Carpaccio and Terrormisu (or Margherita, in japan) in Wario: Master of Disguise. Wario games usually features dimensions sealed inside artefacts, rather than maybe-portals like the Paintings are in Odyssey and (maybe) Mario 64.
Finally, the MGS games are almost 1:1 with the real world. and are the real world. but any appearances in bomberman or smash doesn't really count.
This is absolutely fantastic!
Thank you!
i watched this video as background noise to fall asleep, but i liked it so much that i just rewatched it while wide awake. baller video
Great video! Can't wait for the RPG one!
Been waiting for this
But how does Odyssey and the New Super Mario Bros. series fit into this? There’s also Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, the rest of Mario & Luigi after Superstar Saga, and the rest of the Yoshi and Wario Land series’ beyond what was mentioned. Also how would the events of Galaxy affect the world? The universe literally collapses in that game, and the universal reset Rosalina preforms results in all of the planets being merged into one. What would be the consequences of that?
NSMB mostly seems like random conflicts with Bowser that could occur at any given time between SMB and Sunshine. The RPGs I tried to keep to a minimum because...getting into the reasons and confusion there almost deserves a follow-up video all its own. No promises. Regarding Galaxy, I don't have an answer as far as the universal reset is concerned - we may have to assume the way certain events in Mario games are presented to us are allegorical.
I think to some degree every other videogame world exists along with the Mario world, just light years and light years away as you said.
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The seven kings we see in Mario 3 are probably actors, as the game is just a stage play as confirmed by Myamoto.
i now want a full crossover tree of every series that is at all related to mario
I’m so glad someone made this. I wanted to make something like this for so long
Additional info - Mario can now be seen canon alongside Rayman
There is an official comic touching on how DK and Bowser wound up in the Skylands, potentially “canonizing” Skylanders to the Marioverse.
>Spyro is canon to Skylanders
>Crash is canon to Spyro.
There is definitely more, but that’s just what comes immediately comes to mind.
Edit: Kirby enemies are also in Links awakening, potentially connecting all three universes via dreamlands. Which makes sense because I’m fairly certain “physical dream travel” is canon in all 3.
This is epic and deserves more views
Man I thought this was gonna be a big catalogue of all the kingdoms in Mario but it turned into a fanfic, missed things, and included random crossovers
I thought that me trying to make sense of the Mario world was too much, but wow this is taking it to the next level. Maybe even a bit too much ^^'
It is funny and it have inspired me to finally sit down and create my own script trying to explain the lore of Mario.
I'm a Mario fan that probably cares way too much about the stories of the Mario Universe, so this is pretty perfect for me.
Yoshis fight Kamek specifically, so not just random magikoopas.
This video was very cool. I like stuff like this. Now I demand more.
This is fantastic
In other words: in the beginning there was the Yoshi-Magikoopa conflict. It came to a head when the prophesied Star Children were scheduled to be delivered to their parents by Stork. These Star Children were Mario, Luigi, Peach, Wario, and a Kong (don’t know which anymore) as babies. Oh and Baby Bowser was with them too, being the only baby successfully abducted by the Magikoopas. Definitely need to think about this some more. Thanks for the great video!
Dude I love this! This is my type of content.
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this is amazing
I like how as you go farther North, you have the animal characters like Banjo, and Conker. This fits with the Polar dudes up North who are also all animals.
This is such an AMAZING video!! but you forgot the small but important detail (i guess) of tatanga having the same logo of the Tediz flag from Conker's Bad Fur Day, in other words, the Aliens may are related to Naziz in the mario Universe
Quick note: Mr. Gnw is here too, and tied deeply to Wario.
Wario land 4 was just Wario robbing Shokora's grave, Shokora was cursed and turned into GnW. GnW dissapears into the void at the end, perfects minigames to avoid going insane, eventually gets back and becomes an instrumental figure in Warioware.
(Also, as per brawl dojo, gnw is a self-replicating hive mind thats benevolent, so him working the factory in dkcr makes sense).
Plus, its arguable paper mario was a oot-style split caused by gnw trying to get home that gave rise to smash bros.
Gnw got into melee, then back home.
If you want support that GnW is Shokora, watch his Subspace cutscene and give any other coherent reasoning for it.
Extras: his cloning was used to create smash character clones by grinding him up.
And creating microgames to pass time in the lonely white emptiness of a void explains the handhelds well.
Plus, game and wario.
And now he has cohesive backstory.
The gnw galleries could even be showing parallels between timelines?
And uhhh, on that note
Gnw is 2d. Paper mario. Vivian.
Both went from gender A to gender B.
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YO THIS WAS AN EXTREMELY AWESOME VIDEO MAN I love how well you managed to show a lot of how the Mario timeline went and I really liked the theory’s but although there is some things I’m confused about like how Mario’s home of planet earth is in this map when really the Super Mario world with all the kingdoms and stuff are in a totally different world and also when you were talking about bowser producing asexually and made the koopalings I’m pretty sure that’s not the case because if bowser did do that then all his children would look identical to him byenlarge but other than that love the video and I really hope to see more videos like this for other video games like maybe Kirby and Sonic
i could listen to this all day
I’ve always wondered what nabbit looks like without the mask. That shit genuinely keeps me up at night
mario lore is criminally underdiscussed i love videos like this
This video is nuts, i love it
I love how he brings up the samus cameo in rpg but forgets link is also in that game
Mario universe worldbuilding is always fun. I was recently viewing the works of GavinoElDiabloGuapo who makes his own effort to unify Mario lore. It's interesting how you both land on some similar points like how Donkey Kong fits in, Wario trying to take Mario's castle, Bowser Jr being Bowser's only legitimate child, or the bros being New Donk City heroes to start with, yet some are very different. In particular, you AU gives Wario a much bigger role as an overarching villain and driver of conflict rather than a minor thug. WAAAAAAAAA-
The Beanbean kingdom is interesting, despite its bean-like inhabitants it is themes more after jokes and laughter than anything else.
The mushroom kingdom imports the fire flowers from deep magma bog. Fight me.
I love this and I would love it if you took and in depth look about the planet itself
I'm very impressed by this.
“Bullet William” almost made me spit out my coffee
Bowser's fury likely takes place after sunshine, bowser gets currupted at some point due to his close contact with some black ink which could be a remnant from the sunshine conflict and Bowser Jr intentially goes to Mario for help now that they two of them have been able to reach an understanding
I clicked this assuming that u might not recognize the dkc3 connection, but u clearly know ur stuff. Im super excited for the remaining facts that ur gonna school these ppl on.
This is a very fun video! Never knew that Wario was the Lord of War of the Mario Bros. universe but I love that he is.
amazing video and i love that you used dk64 music that is my all time favorite dk game
Definitely an interesting interpretation but I think that the ending of Mario Galaxy could have a huge effect of the Mario Universe. That game resent the entire universe. Maybe making new stuff and/or wiping slates clean.
So you basically just described Super Mario as a Lord of the Rings but with MORE Mushrooms LOL. Love that