Mario Map 2 - To The Edge Of The Marioverse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.พ. 2024
- This time, we expand the Mario Map in pursuit of uncovering the mysteries lying in wait at its furthest edges, and stumble into a potential connection to Pikmin that could permanently alter our understanding of the Mario universe. Do not try this at home.
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I cant believe we went from the Sarasaland Industrial Military Complex to straight up Creation.
next: Mario, Beyond the Marioverse
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so paper mario
You Mean the Omniverse?
Yes, I get it. all ficton is cannon to the mario series, Matpat would go insane at the first sight of this map.
You Just Described Fortnite
Well Pikmin also appear in Mario Golf Toadstool tour, so...
Another direct comparison between Mario Sunshine and Splatoon beyond the ink is the fact that in the third game, the boss fight against "Big Man" is literally the manta ray boss fight in Sunshine, even having a direct reference to it in it's name.
There is also a theory that some planets from Kirby are post-apocalyptic
Yea it’s not a theory in Kirby 64 earth is frozen
At this point, we don't even need Smash to be canon for all of its characters to exist in the same universe. Along with all of fictional and nonfictional media. And its all tied together by Mario's Time Machine.
We went from analyzing the lineage of a monkey to establishing that Mario is not bound to the concept of time and confirming that the mario franchise itself, along with all of human history as part of the Mario canon.
Since our world exists in Mario, then that means... Mario is a JoJo reference
Well, that escelated quickly. We went from, these other game franchises possibly cohabilitate the Marioverse(Which opens the floodgates to several other franchise to exist by proxy), to full on metaphysical existential mindscrewery, and what awaits us post-nuclear annihilation! And all I can say is, I for one welcome our new Mushroom overlords!
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imo characters that are just straight up animals get a pass for that qeustion because IRL you can put clothes on animals without it looking weird
Did you at some point stop and thought “This has gone too far”?
This is starting to become my favorite channel, I love how schizo it is
I never thought I would see a connection between Animal Crossing and Marvel's Punisher. That would be like connecting The Loud House and Breaking Bad.
Loud House>Paramount+ Ads>Transformers>My Little Pony Which has a Pony
Version of Walter White>Breaking Bad
@@donnae1899No, it’s obviously Loud House>House>House, New Mexico>New Mexico>Breaking Bad.
@@MatthewConnellan-xc3oj ???????
So… mario knows he was voiced by Charles Martinet?
Seems that way.
Fun fact: According to the German Nintendo magazine comics, Mario and Bomberman have canonically had to experience
ＤＥＵＴＳＣＨＥ ＢＡＨＮ before, proving that nothing is sacred.
15:18
“You thought Sidious worked alone?”
The path to Pikmin is convoluted--a faster path can be found in Mario Galaxy's space junk galaxy where Captain Olimar's ship can be spotted
I also commented on the last video that Pikmin can be connected via Metroid, as both series name drop Space Pirates
Amazing lmao. I also want to think about how there is a loop with Splatoon also being a post apocaliptic earth (and actually canon, not just implied or a theory), where even the WiiU is canon and splatoon is canon as a game.
Theory: The fictional universes we create whether officially out there or forever inside our heads manifests itself far far away
Beautiful. This is what I live for, you’ve done it again. I love to see the unnecessary lengths we’ve fallen down.
Crash is already in skylanders
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it's a stretch but what if the IRL people are from New Donk City? I mean it expands a otherwise small area that only appears in one game. The Mario movie also used the term "Brooklyn" for the place where Mario and Luigi live, but we see Pauline as the major too. Which either means that Pauline is somehow the major of 2 city's located in different worlds or Brooklyn is an extended area of New Donk City
this still doesn't explain the locations outside the American continent but we could also assume that those games take place in Sonic's world
The non -American locations can't be in Sonic's world. I present Sonic Unleashed as evidence, because that is a world-spanning adventure (to the point that Unleashed is only the localised title, the Japanese title is Sonic World Adventure), and not only do the continents look completely different to our world, the names of nations and the like are very notably different too. There's even either one or *two* US equivalents, depending on if Empire City (in Unleashed) is part of the United Federation we see in SA2 and Shadow or not. Of course, Sonic lore as a whole hasn't exactly been consistent, though right now the current lore is that it's split between continents and various islands/archipelagos, with the animal characters generally living on the islands with the humans living on the continents.
@@TARDISES i hear you're argument. Considering that we sometimes IRL get to see Mario (maybe Sonic too but i don't remember Sonic appearing in Olympics) it could be like Mortal Combat where characters from different worlds get invited to a tournament (in this case the Olympics). Which if true makes Earth cannon anyway
there is also Mario Kart Tour but given that the city tracks go trough places that have laws preventing those races from happening so those tracks would have to part of the Mario universe somehow (perhaps New Donk City is a really big place that can fit all of Earth city's)
With all the stretching done in this video, I'm surprised you didn't establish ARMS as canon (great video though lol)
On one hand, we could assune that Mario's story is a nihilistic glimpse into the flat-circled nature of life, and it's desire to conquer and destrpy until the world is is nougnt but blackened ash. On the other hand, I take it as a sign that Mario, stepping into the unknown, is a representation of the good within lofe, the meaningful search for hope, a glimpse at the stars in the night sky. Mario is not a story of nihilistic destruction, it is an existentialist tale, how eternity inevitably entails the return of life as it does the return of death, of how we inevitably come back, a new meaning burning in our hearts.
A few things that can be mentioned here that I kinda gotta type out while the video plays cause there is just so much:
1. Captain N's characters look like that cause they basically had to get their designs from a guy describing them over a phone while he was using a shitty TV, hence the green megaman
2. Golden Sun can also link to Megaman Battle Network as it had a cross over meaning if the treasure from the great cave offensive didn't work that would
3. Final Fantasy has crossed over with Yo-Kai Watch a few times adding that link, I have heard the puzzle game has even more cross overs but the few I know are Attack on Titan so who knows how far out that can spread
Wanna touch on Fire Emblem's crossover with the game "Project X Zone 2" (and Code Name: S.T.E.A.M, but we don't care about that) which includes Chrom, Lucina; franchises like Tekken, Street Fighter, Mega Man (X), Ace Attorney, Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, and so many more.
We can connect Kazuya's appearance in that game to the series which would... become Xenoblade (not quite sure) called "Xenosaga". His crossovers with Pac-Man and Pac-Man's crossovers with fanchises like Ape Espace, and then Ape Escapes' crossover with Metal Gear opens up yet another rabbit hole.
This conversation can actually go on for aeons and I'm happy we have MFs like you brave enough to talk about it
*Escape
@@RufioTheThird - Glad somebody managed to actually bring up "Ape Escape".
@@0b13F4st3 Hey, my pleasure. Official Mario lore right here. Sorry I misspelt it, TH-cam doesn’t allow hearted comments to be edited
And just because I'd like to point this out, the first "Ape Escape" is also one of those works of fiction that involves a time machine, as Specter and his minions use the one invented by The Professor in order to change human history by making themselves the dominant species, (similar to "Planet of the Apes") which Spike had prevented by capturing every single monkey scattered across the time stream.
"Codename S.T.E.A.M., but we don't care about that," I care.
Also there's the Hot Shots/Everybody's Golf series, which also includes Pac-Man alongside other PS/guest characters (even Professor Layton, despite none of his titles having released on PS systems at the time of his inclusion).
I can just feel seendwalsh seething and malding rn
Crash and Jak connect to Uncharted with secret treasures, which connects to The Last of Us, but more importantly, Subway is now Canon to Mario.
Dude, you just solved Mario
cant believe how much of the smash roster is connected to mario without using smash as a base, also minecraft shouldve been cannon earlier bcs mario is in the switch dlc pack
Love how the NES existing in animal crossing connects it to Mario and not the hundreds of Mario related items in the games
If kid icaruss is cannon then SSB HAS to be cannon as it's cannon to that universe.
Edit: If you use the Bow, as a possible random conversation, Pit and Palutena have a conversation that references the Super Smash Bros. series.
In the Land Battle tutorial, Palutena mentions that the dash movement is similar to the controls of Super Bash Sisters. Pit then corrects her by saying it's from Super Smash Bros.
The Fireworks Cannon seems to be inspired by the Cracker Launcher from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
That's true ,but you should have made clear why.
@@marcelopaulo446 very true. Copied these from the wiki If you use the Bow, as a possible random conversation, Pit and Palutena have a conversation that references the Super Smash Bros. series.
In the Land Battle tutorial, Palutena mentions that the dash movement is similar to the controls of Super Bash Sisters. Pit then corrects her by saying it's from Super Smash Bros.
The Fireworks Cannon seems to be inspired by the Cracker Launcher from Super Smash Bros. Brawl
@@STRONTIumMuffin lol
1:02 HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT OBAMA?
2:59 Please don't turn me into a Marketable Plushie
4:46 "Avenger's Endgame is the most ambitious crossover in history"
7:20 GIVE US MOTHER 3!!!
10:32 F**k Konami
13:53 Hello there (I will also note that Spore's beta name was SimEverything, so that can be connected Via Sims)
15:24 I must retreat to the one place that has not been infected by Capitalism
18:00 No reference here, just FFIX making me cry
19:31 Arbys; We have the Meat
22:25 Mom I'm on tv
25:02 "I'm really curious to see what any other gamecube players thought of him, I feel like he's not very talked about on here for whatever reason."
27:06 We're going back in time to the first thanksgiving to get turkeys off the menu.
29:18 And then everyone clapped
Luigi beats YHWH by doing absolutely nothing
Since dead cells had a cross over with Castlevania by this logic that should also mean dead cells is a part of the Mario universe and dead cells has a katana zero crossover and a hotline Miami crossover which means those games are also a part of the Mario universe which I think is really funny.
And soon Terraria would also be part of the Mario Universe due to the game is going to have a crossover with Dead cells
It’s ironic he mentions the Bible than completely disregards the Biblical texts
F-Zero, Animal Crossing and Splatoon also have gameplay representation in Mario Kart 8 (Deluxe).
Also, if you want to potentially connect this with a whole bunch of indie games, then Dead Cells has DLC which is a crossover with Castlevania. The same game also has equipment connecting it to Blasphemous, Gucamelee, Curse of the Dead Gods, Hollow Knight, Hyper Light Drifter, Skul, Shovel Knight (which itself opens up another entire can of worms and probably has connections elsewhere), Hotline Miami, Katana Zero, Risk of Rain, Terraria (which itself also crosses over with Don't Starve and Dungeon Defender 2) and Slay the Spire.
Going on from the PlayStation All-Stars thing, God of War is also canon, and since Kratos was a DLC character for the PS3 version of Mortal Kombat 9, Kortal Kombat is also canon, and since Mortal Kombat characters feature as DLC in both Injustice games and in Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, one can extrapolate that the DC multiverse is also canon to the Mario lore, which also allows for stuff like TMNT, Watchmen and Scooby Doo to be canon
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I got to the Star Wars part, thought to myself "Wow, this is getting crazy. It can't get much crazier than this, there must be what, 5 minuets lef-- HOLY SHIITAKE WE'RE NOT EVEN 1/4 OF THE WAY THROUGH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"
You could arrive at Splatoon much easier and with much less speculation by just looking at Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, that's no different from a lot of the other crossovers counted in this video.
also: mario, sonic and ryu appear in the simpsons game, making the simpsons canon the simpsons making familly guy, south park and many others also canon
in bayonetta, bayonetta use a chain chomp as a weapon and also have a peach costume stated to be taken and modified from peach's wardrobe so they're besties, also making devil may cry canon. She also have costumes from link, samus and fox making them even more canon if they weren't enough already
A few more degrees and then we will land in the crazy rabbit hole that is Tommy Westphall's mind.
And The Entire Fortnite Lore
The perfect excuse to talk about Jack Frost
You know, having Pikmin be the start of the Mario Lore lines pretty well with Marios identity. Olimars name in Japanese is Orima which can be an anagram of Mario. So who knows, maybe Marios destiny to be a hero of the planet was inspired by the heroism of Olimar saving the natives from extinction and fixing the ecosystem. Does this mean that Olimar is Marios GOD?
I lost everything with "so Yu-Gi-Oh is canon?"
To Clarify Bowser and Donkey Kong's Presence in Skylanders, in Superchargers (the game they appeared) Master Eon, a portal master and somewhat Chief of the skylanders, sent out signals to other universes for help against Kaos, a bad portal master, Donkey Kong and Bowser got transported into the skylander Universe and after a brawl with some pirates they immediately became skylanders and help them save Skylands. Diddy is also canon in the skylander universe when you put donkey and his vehicule on the portal and is part of one of his moves, Crash is also in Skylanders, appearing in the next game, Skylanders Imaginators, along side with Neo Cortex.
I have to say that I think it humorous that there were a ton of people that wanted hey pikmin to not be canon but there’s stuff hey pikmin did that pikmin 4 brought back (like white and purple pikmin having onions and sparklium) and that now if any game feels like there’s so much a ton weird shit going and nothing makes any sense and it should be non canon it’s the mainline pikmin 4. I just find that very funny
For a brief second I thought of Princess Thorn as a name for Wapeach and I wondered why it sounded like such a good name.
Turns out SpyXFamily did it already ah
Hella underrated channel love this guy’s videos
mario timeline boutta turn into a schematic
Myamoto possibly met Mario One day and was a inspired to make jumpman and the whole Mario series based on eventos from mario's stories and peharps Mario somehow has the ability to meet videogame characteres.
This is such a possible plot twist😮
Also splatoon is Canon in the same way pikmin is with a fossil of a HUMAN holding a Wii U...what a way to die
I have only watched this video so far, so apologies if I'm speaking ignorantly, but due to Mario's connection with Kirby and likely other series with dimension/universe hopping, it's possible that Mario is just simply visiting other dimensions such as regular old earth, so time travel would not at all be necessary. Though this would also mean that every other fictional universe, from regular sitcoms to fantasy epics, are canon by default, even if anyone from the Mario Map hasn't visited them YET.
you can also tie in doom because of srb2, and srb2 is canon to doom lore, while also having mario bros addons for it, which you can play on an actual save file on, its all back to doom.
You can also use some of the further connections to attach to the "Tommy Westphall Universe" which in turn connects it to hundreds of live action television shows. The cleanest point of entry is Sonic the Hedgehog to Sabrina the Teenage Witch thanks to Archie comics, but there's certainly plenty of other options to do it, too. Once you do that, you can follow links to X-Files, all of Star Trek, the Arrowverse, the Brady Bunch, I Love Lucy, Breaking Bad... really anything
It Makes All Works of Fiction Canon To Each Other
pikmin actually already appear in one of the mario tennis games im pretty sure
Lore of Mario Map 2 - To The Edge Of The Marioverse momentum 100
Just wanna point out that mega man battle network wouldn't take place in the Mario universe because it's confirmed to be a different universes
That was a journey
The one issue I have is somehow Mario being from New York not coming up in this video at all (which obviously makes other information regarding his origin confusing, but not entirely untenable).
Edit: Actually, one more issue, another comment. If Kid Icarus is canon, Smash actually has to be through Uprising. Also, there's a few alternate ways to get some of the stuff included here that hasn't been mentioned. Mario is Missing also should have been mentioned for containing the dino land Yoshi's from in addition to real world locations.
Wait if the Bible is canon, does that mean Ultra kill is canon to the Mario universe?
I mean if we're going with all forms of media being at least _somewhat_ canon to the Mario uni/multiverse, then perhaps some of the discrepancies were caused by a different time travel-related mishap, namely the Last Great Time War in Doctor Who? If the Daleks ended up having a gazillion different versions of their history, all of which with a questionable amount of canonicity in their home universe, due to their campaign to punish the Time Lords for their meddling, then surely Mario's world would have some timey wimey things going on from the aftershocks, right?
17:47 I'M AS HAPPY AS A HAPPY MEAL TO HEAR ABOUT MY FAVORITE MASCOTS EXISTING IN THE SAME UNIVERSE : D
Legen… Wait for it… Dary! #LOL #Banger fr
• Lars, from the Tekken series, also appears in Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 2;
• Naruto crossed over with a lot of different worlds, most notably in games like J-stars Victory VS and Jump Force.
Naruto, Dragon Ball Z, JoJo, One Piece and everything else related to the Shonen Jump magazine is canon to the Mario universe.
i guess this explains why rob apeared in mario kart
Oh, my god. This man is a legend
Mario > Wario > Bomberman > Castlevania > Wai Wai World > King Kong > Godzilla
Mario is 6 degrees of separation from Godzilla, although ofc you can do it faster with Smash Bros. Also...
Godzilla > King Kong > Wai Wai World > Castlevania > Medusa > SMT > YHVH
There, Godzilla is 6 degrees from the Judeochristian god. I wonder how fast you can get from Mario to Kevin Bacon...
Final Edit: Oh, okay, you are saying Mario used the time machine. Well at least your nonsense is consistent!
now this is the kind of conspiracy theory I can get behind!
walkingdeadisintekken
and also punch out
mike tyson is in iwbtg too but also count him in like every boxing game he's in
little mac being in some boxing game on GameCube
ALSO also portal is part of half life
The Wai Wai world connection makes King Kong canon.
ALSO, if we get Star Wars, which has an attraction and destination in Tomorrowland in DISNEYLAND. That means, MICKEY MOUSE IS CANON.
I guess you pointed that out, but the disney parks has some fun and wacky lore in of itself. you should check it out sometime.
then it would also mean Godzilla is canon due to Godzilla Vs Kong
You forget Mario Odyssey and the New Donk City Humans who are 8 feet tall
Adding more fictional universes:
So, since earth is canon, Michael Crawford is canon. In episode 3, season 1 of Helluva Boss, Millie mentions him, and so Helluva Boss, and by that extent Hazbin Hotel, since it is taking place in the same universe, are canon, which means that Alastor is canon to Mario.
Sheldon Cooper is Canon To Mario?
@@donnae1899 Of course
@@memekyu_memes Bazinga!
Thanks to the Archie comics, you can link the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise to Mega Man. This gives you a second connection that doesn't rely on a crossover in the Olympics.
Was expecting a mention of the Dante from DMC2 crossover when going over SMT, but aight.
I'm actually playing Nocturne right now, I don't know how I forgot this. But also he appears in MvC
This video taught me that Mario is a time traveling god-plumber among man.
But more importantly, through possibly Yugioh, Mario might throw hands at Goku since Shoeon Jump games featured crossovers with the Shoeon casts.
also could mean Jojo is canon to the Mario universe since Giorno from Part 5 appeared in one of the Shoeon Jump games
really, mario is connected to every single fictional characeter if you take acount Smash Bros. and the fact he has appeared in multiple magazines with characters like the teenage mutant ninja turtles (yes i know you didn't count smash bros)
In final Fantasy there is a Gravestone for link
Only in some versions. Though IIRC in other versions it's a DQ reference instead, and not the only time FF has referenced DQ at that, because FF12 has a DQ-reference weapon in it.
Your forget Super Mario Galaxy confirms thatthe universe has reset before. also the inklings possible evolveed from Mario's squid enemies, they are verry simular looking.
Anyways Super Mario Galaxyconfirms that Rosalina is the Daughter of Peach but from a previas timeline and she survived the universe resetting. meaning Rosalina is a time travler except she's more of a survivor of a destroyed universe.
Which then could mean simply that Mario's world could have simply survived a universe reset before in the past, placinging a future planet way back in the past. Which techniacly means if things still play out the way they did whlle Mario's planet is already exisiting, then as time goes forward many possible differant futures of Mario's planet now take place while else where in the universe Mario reapaears for the first time again withing that univeerse on his own planet except it's that univer'ses earth! Which means in one of those alternate time lines Marion on planet takes place at the same time as the Inkling world that took places centuries after Mario's world colapsed. IT'S MARIO INCESSION!!
Gasp what if this is how many of the alien planets are actualy created? what if ... ALL THE PLANETS USED TO BE EARTH AT ONE POINT BUT GOT SUCKED INTO A BLACK HOLE AND SURVIVED INTO A NEW UNIVERSE AS THE gALAXY RESET! And if Legends of Zelda exists in the same universe then what if that means. dun dun dun!!!! ALL 3 TIMES LINES EXIST IN A SINGLE TIME LINE BUT ON 3 DIFFERANT PLANETS!!!!!!!!! Could we one day see Legends of Zelda a Link in the Galaxy?!
Nah nah nah, MOTHER doesn't happen in _this_ universe. It happens in the previous universe. That Mr. Saturn is likely either a descendant of or straight-up one of (I have no fucking clue if they age or reproduce) one of the Mr. Saturns on the Nowhere Islands, as everyone present on that island (as well as the cast of beloved, totally existent game UNDERTALE: Endgame), were brought to a new universe by the Dark Dragon, as humanity was practically doomed, as well as, unbeknownst to anyone involved, the universe itself, as the arrival of the Red Miles to Earth was imminent. As you can imagine, this would eventually lead to deltarune, since the planet Hyrule is on has a known history, pun intended, of recycling people across history.
EDIT: Accounting for the previous universe, we can determine that there are actually _two_ Marios. One is on Earth, and goes through most, if not all, Earth-set Mario games. The Mario series is also canon, because this is the Mario from the Mario Movie released in the early 90s. This Mario later obtains Mario's Time Machine and ends up becoming Mario Pissing, a secret boss in Undertale II: Revenge of the Robots, an _actually_ real game.
Mario's Time Machine is therefore not canon to Mainline Mario, all of his time travelling is done via E. Gadd's time machine from Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time.
Also, Luigi would _never_ give into the Dark Side. It would make Mario sad.
earth connects Micheal Jackson a character who appeared in space channel 5 to mario making both canon. also due to project x zone which is a sequal to namco x capcom the world of Klonoa is also cannon to the mario world. and due to a translation of namco x capcom making janga say "whore" the concept of that is canon to mario.
LETS GOOOOO THSI IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR
MCDONALDS MEANS TRAVIS SCOT IS IN THE MARIO WORLD
Please the next video is about religion in the Mario universe, and the way you make a connection is trough Losing my Religion on Donkey Konga 2.
Since you mentioned the Mystery Dungeon spinoffs, here is another big franchise that leads to a lot of stuff: Dynasty Warriors / Samurai Warriors
Hyrule Warriors does the same as Dynasty Warriors/ Samurai Warriors, which itself created a wide variaty of spinoffs, like dynasty warriors: gundam, one piece warriors, persona 5 strikers and fire emblem warriors. So with One Piece in the bag, you can basicly combine it with all of the crossovers they had over the years, dragonball, naruto, toriko etc.
So Anime is canon too :D
Artwork in the Japanese guide to A Link to the Past shows Link praying to a statue of Jesus on the cross, meaning that the entire Holy Bible is canon
17:40ish well sonic 3 was made with a McDonald's collaboration in mind or something like that too 😅 , another piece of evidence i presume lol but loving this lol
the league of extraordinary gentlemen if it was good
My guy looks everywhere but the actual Mario RPGs for an explanation of all this, when Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time is RIGHT THERE lmao. Sure Mario's Time Machine is funny, but regardless of who made the Timulator, E Gadd definitely made his own time machine. That game also confirms that you can create paradoxes without the universe breaking, as present day old E Gadd gets an idea from Past E Gadd in the present, which should be impossible but was caused by time travel, of course. The Mario world doesn't mind paradoxes one bit.
Totally correct - I just knew time travel and the connection to real Earth was where this series was leading to eventually, so I decided to not tackle that via the RPGs in my vid about those. Plus, Mario's Time Machine ties in the real Earth as well by having Mario's time travel lead him to past-Earth locations, so it worked better for the way I laid things out
@@backseatsakurai That's true haha, just thought it was funny, great video btw!
Thx!
Forgot Spawn in the xbox version of Soulcaliber. And Spawn has crossed over with Cerebus and I think DC just like Marvel.
Mama mia
So, does this mean the Australian painter and the November flight attendant is canon to mario
Hitler is From Australia?
@@donnae1899 yes he always was how u didn't know ong bro h dum lol eat glizzy
Wait… I am Orbulon, you cannot do that
if the sims and sim city is connected to the mario universe would that include SPORE and their spinoffs as well?
What did you use to make the image of the map and the blur effect??
Just GIMP
hoped for a 2nd part ever since i saw the first part
same ngl
same dude
21:07 HEADCRAB LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO!!!!!!
Did you just tie in Tetris with Mario and not acknowledge Tetris is set in the Soviet Union? Well, we all know everything is inside Tommy Westphall's mind either way.
also a super famicom game can't be a "very early roguelike" when the original Rogue released 1980
I get what you mean I guess but when talking about roguelikes (games influenced by Rogue) that wouldn't really include the original. Torneko on Super Famicom is an early example of the subgenre influenced by the OG - more or less it plays like almost identically to a "roguelike" indie game that would release today. That's all I meant really
this man knows more about mario than sakurai himself,
or maybe he IS sakurai
🤔
dude... how did you find all of this out?