Is SMB2 NOT A Real Mario Game?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2025
- over the years Super Mario Bros 2 has been debated over if it actually counts as a REAL Mario game, but why? and does it actually count? come find out in this video!
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--Music used on this video in order
Tostarena: Night - Super Mario Odyssey
World 8 Bowser - Super Mario 3D World
Puzzle Plank Galaxy - Super Mario Galaxy 2
World 1 (Green Stars) - Super Mario Galaxy 2
Volcano Outside - New Super Mario Bros Wii
Credits - Mario Kart DS
There's some nuance to this discussion.
I think it's important to keep in mind that Doki Doki Panic originally started out as a tech demo intended to have "Mario-Like" gameplay, designed by a lot of the original Mario team. Because it wasn't as good as they were hoping, it ended up being shelved until Fuji came up to Nintendo with the hopes of making a collab game featuring their characters, with Fuji's characters ended up being added into the game. This is why you'll see Mario coins or just straight up Starmen in Doki Doki Panic, and why we see Bob-Ombs, Shy Guys, Birdo in Mario games.
I also don't really think this is a cash grab situation. Nintendo of America needed their Mario 2, so it's only natural that they decided to use what was originally planned to be a Mario game and add some QOL features to make up for the lack of saving, like a run button.
Our Mario 2 has entered Japan a long time ago under the name "Super Mario USA" and is very much beloved there, even getting a pseudo-sequel in the form of BS Super Mario USA for the Satellaview.
TL;DR: Game was originally planned to be like Mario before it ever really got a theme, ended up getting retooled as a cross-promotion game, before being reskinned back to its roots.
@@PBTV_25 funny thing is, I did actually hear about the Doki Doki was originally going to be Mario story, however I wasn’t able to to find a reliable source on that so I just didn’t really mention it.
All though I do really think that they did needed it for the money, not trying to say this to make Nintendo seem like the bad guy or a greedy bitch, I do like Nintendo, I like their games like Star Fox, Mario, Smash Bros Pokemon and so on and so forth, but at the end of the day Nintendo is a company, and rather we want to admit it or not, companies usually do things for money, I would like to think that Nintendo is different, but realistically no.
@@danishdiana102I was trying to cite my source but TH-cam keeps deleting my comment for some reason. We can talk about this more on Hard_Pretzel's server if you'd like.
Loved watching this video, as it shined a light on a topic that somehow doesn't get talked about a lot, but is also controversial. I always thought that they didn't want to localize SMB2: The Lost Levels, and for whatever reason, they decided to localize and reskin Doki Doki Panic into a Mario Game. But I love how this video has everyone talking in the comments, trying to fill in the blanks of this puzzle. Overall, this was a fun watch!
(Also 6:30 had me in stitches)
Awww, yeah I feel like a lot of people try to make videos to say what is going to be the “final” opinion, like the only one everyone should have, but I want more people to just, start a conversation and let people continue it, I am glad you enjoyed my video ❤
My take is that it is a real Mario game because it introduced so many staples and it's not like Nintendo shy away from acknowledging the game, I mean you have Shy Guys, Birdo, the remake as part of Super Mario Advance, the Smash Bros. Stage (as well as Peach's Down B), the Captain Toad levels in 3D World/Treasure Tracker having the turnips, SMB2 Mushroom in SMM2 and probably more stuff I am forgetting, it has become so much more that just being a Doki Doki Panic copy
Yeah that too, there is a lot of things that came back in the Mario franchise that had it’s first appearance here
I could see an argument against back when it released. But now? With how many staples it introduced to the series and how it's at this point a pretty integral part of the Mario line up, I'd say it's more than earned it's seat at the table.
Yeah
For those still not convinced, Super Mario Bros. 2 has more in common with Super Mario Bros. and had more direct input from Miyamoto than can be said about The Adventure of Link and The Legend of Zelda, yet no one questions it as the definitive sequel to the original.
Gotta love the inconsistent Nintendo fans 😂
top tier editing LMAO
@@aerdnateo1396 thank you!!!
Good game. Would play it again
@Siylvanos amazing game tbh
What many people don't understand is, a common practice at Nintendo is they come up with a game concept first, before actually attaching a series to it. Many games like Super Mario Land, Dr. Mario, and Super Mario Kart were not originally Mario games when they started development.
Even games like Star Fox Guard, and Star Fox Adventures weren't StarFox games originally. Heck, Splatoon was almost going to be a Mario game, and Kid Icarus Uprising was almost considered to become a StarFox game.
So honestly, Super Mario Brothers 2 USA is nothing unusual or unique in that regard. Even when it was being developed Miyamoto originally considered using Mario characters in it, before they got the FujiTV festival character license. Then later they decided to redo it as a Mario game, because the Nintendo USA president insisted "Lost Levels" would be badly received there.
Interestingly, Miyamoto said Super Mario Bros. 2 USA is one of his favorite Mario games, so if he considers it a Matio game, then we should too.
Otherwise then maybe we shouldn't consider Dr. Mario or Mario Kart as Mario games either.
@@beauwalker9820 oh wow, I actually didn’t know that, that’s really cool
@danishdiana102 Yeah, they talked about this stuff in Iwata Asks on the SuperNES Classic Edition website, and other interviews you can find online. I even remember seeing the prototype to StarFox Guard at E3 in the WiiU days before it became a StarFox game.
Because it's a reskin of "Harry Potter and the F***ing Wizard" :]
Yeah I forgot about that detail
Holy shit! Halfway point of the video made me think that this would turn into a trans video essay. not that I would be complaining. "See what works and see what doesn't. Sometimes something may not fit the style you were going for" was just too relatable in that regard.
Am I going crazy here? "It's not what it was intended to be but that's what it ended up as". Am I projecting or is this SMB2 video insanely trans coded? (yeah they do that)
@@itshel2677 I mean, well, it’s a game being discussed by a trans woman (me) about a game with another trans woman that spits out eggs, the stars aligned for an accidental trans essay to be made 😂
Great video
Thanks friend ❤️
Great video, but way too quiet
@@DuckJohnn yeah I had some trouble with the audio by the end of the video, by the time I tried to fix it, it was just a bit too late, rest assured, the rest of my videos will have the audio mixed a lot better
Try be like it is in this song:
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@@RiayToons ok I will admit, I do like this song, but you can’t just tell people to “be more this” “be like that” we’re all different, while yes I do want more people to be nicer, I can’t just tell people to be a specific way
Nonetheless, I appreciate the encouragement you’re giving to my channel
@@danishdiana102 Yes. I know. It's not authentic if you force people to be like it is in a song like "Magical Dream" or "Pacific" by 808State.
Being a better version of yourself often require work, we don't just command somebody to love... Indeed.
I myself failed horribly time after time to be the better version... I do not know much how to do it but having more strawberries in my comments and less ugly smiling faces in the start of any Mario Brothers video that I make... =)