RAM 1500 EcoDiesel (3.0L) Gets DISCONTINUED | Why Did it FAIL??
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- The EcoDiesel engine in the RAM 1500 trucks is getting discontinued and production will end in January of 2023. I talk about why the 3.0L V6 Eco diesel failed and what this might mean for modern diesel engines in other 1500 pick up trucks.
FULL EcoDiesel Review video - • RAM 1500 ECODIESEL Rev...
I hope everyone has had a great weekend! Today I'm chatting once again about the notorious ram 1500 ecodiesel engine. RAM has officially announced that January 2023 will be the ending of production for the 3 liter eco diesel engine. and with this announcement I figured we could talk a little about why they felt the need to discontinue this engine.
so firstly it's probably not a surprise to many of you that as a heavy duty diesel mechanic I didn't think this engine was any good to start out with. overall it's a pretty light duty marine engine that was not disigned to be used in a pick up truck.
secondly it seemed like RAM was railroaded into making this engine and its emission compliant with the new epa emissions regulation when this engine first debut in 2014. I don't think ram could of seen the emission issues that where to come in the future with the ecodiesel when they were developing the engine for the ram 1500.
I think RAM had the right idea to bring a fuel efficient small diesel engine into the ram 1500 lineup but still have the ability to tow almost 8,000lbs with over 400 foot pounds of torque. on paper it seemed like the best of both world in a pick up truck.
now the application of this idea is where RAM failed. but still they were the first manufacture to put a modern diesel into their 1500 line up and both the other big manufactures followed.
today I think the fact that diesel fuel prices are so high and the mounting issues with the Eco diesel tripled with the upcoming release of the 3.0L twin turbo hurricane gas engine made it an easy decision to put the engine in the ground.
over its 8 year span there were many issues but some people did seem to like them and I personally tried one out and tested it's fuel economy. they were without a doubt very efficient.
lastly I think the modern diesel engine is starting to show it's weakness because of the increase emission system complicity and break downs. it will be interesting to see what happens to other diesel engines as time goes on!
I hope you guys liked the video!
00:00 - Intro
01:29 - EcoDiesel History
02:33 - Advantages of the EcoDiesel Vs HEMI
03:52 - Emission Issues with EcoDiesel
06:21 - Ford F150 PowerStroke Gets Cancelled
07:13 - GM/Chevy 3.0L Duramax Diesel Engine
07:44 - Are Modern Diesel Engines Still Worth It ?
09:36 - 3.0L Twin Turbo Hurricane Engine - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
EGODIESEL
lmao!
Well... I'm deleted averaging 25mpg in a 1/2 ton 4x4 crew cab. I'd rather have that than a 14mpg f150
Didn’t fail epa killed it get it right
@@chrisholifield8571 the power boost f150 gets 25 mpg in the city and highway with 430 hp and 570 pd ft tq
I had a general contractor do work at my apartments complex, he was the proud owner of a egodiesel it was white with more chrome strips and yellow reflectors than you can find at your local part store liquidation bin, he always complaining about "how diesel wasn't as cheap as it used the be in the good ol days"
So much cringe, I laughed when he totalled it by driving straight into a pond. (In fact he scraped a masonry wall then got mad and blasted his way through bushes into a pond, I'm sad I wasn't there.)
The EPA and environmental concerns have stifled diesel engines in everything.
that's the real truth. diesel is dead
It has been their plan for 35+ years to destroy the Diesel.
Oh no they are trying to protect the environment we live in.
@@TheGettyAdventures no it’s not
@@TheGettyAdventures no it’s not
You're wrong about a few things and right about a few.
The ecodiesel was not originally a marine engine, it was an engine designed by an Italian company known for their marine diesel engines and that companywas owned by Fiat. The same engine ran reliably all over the world for a decade, and was destined for use in the European Cadillac CTS, but Fiat bought Chrysler in 2014 and the rest is history. I've worked as a contractor all over the world and every auto manufacturer makes a lite duty SUV and Pick up with a diesel and they are great, but cannot be sold in the US. What your right about is, the engine never ran with a complicated emissions system, and that is what created so many failures. But the real problem is the governments war on diesel, Fiat will continue to put the ecodiesel in vehicles outside of uptight western countries where it will run reliably again.
Fair enough! Thanks for the info. But one thing is forsure the emissions on modern diesel are killing them.
Doesn't European diesel have a much higher cetane rating than American diesel? Some of our, American groups have not been good to diesel fuel. Maybe in preparation for the green new deal?
@@hollywinsman9464 Correct. Obama lowered the sulfur in US diesel.
@@LucasLeCompteMusic Well, I propose that come this January maybe February at the latest, all diesel owners come forth and let Congress and Trump know the importance of cetane and lubricity. I would love to see the levels back up as near to 8,9,10 as possible. The incoming US Congress will be much more willing to listen than the current one.
Cummins had a great diesel also until the tree huggers demanded emissions systems on all diesel engines
3.0 Duramax here, and zero issues in 100k miles! Not 1 problem! Had a Ram and issue after issue! Moved on……This 3.0 Dmax tows better than my 6.4 Hemi Ram and gets 14mpgs towing. Diesel power still is the best way to go!
Agreed 👍 100k with no issues, that's good to know cuz I have the 3.0 duramax and love it. Only 8k but hear nothing but good about it. Also It being an inline six is just an overall better design for diesel.
We towed a 4runner on a flatbed with my buddies ram 1500 with the 3.0 eco diesel. He got 28 mpg from aspen to woodland park at 8000'. He loves that truck and has had zero problems with it.
If I could get a Duramax in a Yukon AT4, I'd be driving one already. Won't fit! But I've heard nothing but good things, as long as you plan ahead for the timing belt repair years in the future.
@@ktpinnacle it’s a timing chain not belt. The oil pump is a belt and has now been upgraded to 200k miles for changeout intervals.
@@hahaadventures4838 Absolutely and thx. I knew that - mixed up the parts. That LZ0 supposedly has several upgrades. I never saw that belt as a deal breaker, but many did.
In my experience with the EcoDiesel, as long as you use it for longer drives to let the engine get up to temperature, you will see less failures. Lost count on the number of DPF fails and people claim it's because people dont drive long enough so the filters clogg up.
Ya pretty much! a cold engine produces a lot of soot, Secondly a cold aftertreatment system can't burn off any soot. so it is a compounding factor which is why people have DPF issues. overtime DPF's will need to be replaced but running them hot will dramatically increase lifespan!
Diesel engines are the most reliable design, easily lasting over a million miles, until these EPA regulations start ruining them.
@@seanwieland9763 in city driving conditions?
So you're admitting it's a crap design? I've ALWAYS driven off the INSTANT its running and never had a problem... with better built engines.
@@fm2dmax DPF delete, EGR delete, DEF delete, and then maybe it’ll be reliable.
I have a Grand Cherokee with the same engine here in Australia. You are quite right about the type of usage having a great effect on longevity. I use mine mainly for highway work and towing a 3500 KG trailer. I also change the oil every 10000 KM. It has been absolutely fantastic choice for me as it has given me 220000 KM in 9 years of trouble free ownership.
good to hear! getting those engines nice and hot extends the life of them significantly!
Two friends are getting rid of their eco diesel Jeeps, as they both have overheating issues in Canadian summers @@TheGettyAdventures, they are always going into limp mode when climbing on the highway….then there are the filter issues! lol
@@thepavementendsnow1901 check radiator expansion cap.
48°c days in Australia , started to get hot ( not boiling ) when pushed hard or towing , replaced the cap and it was fine ever since
Maybe @@93jummy , but I’m not going to trust a boat motor which wasn’t designed to have emission controls, not in my very expensive ride! lol
So true . Same car here only in Canada 😅. Best car Bro, even better in winter. 🎉
I think they should just go ahead and throw an 8.3 Cummins in a truck by now, followed by an Allison transmission if that would be possible 🥴
the difference between the 6.7 and 8.3 is really not that much. BUT the 6.7 is already the heaviest diesel engine in the segment and the 8.3 would be like a boat anchor in the front of these trucks.
@@TheGettyAdventures but you could say that you have an 8.3 in it 😂 and thats just awesome
@@CountryKidProductions Why stop at the 8.3? It weighs 1630 lbs dry so you are pretty close to X-12 (2050 lbs) and the 11.9 makes a lot more power.
The 6.7 barely fits
@@mikepoker2108 If that's not bad enough try fitting a transmission that will handle the torque.
I have a 2016 Ram 1500 with the ecodiesel. I have about 112K miles on it and drive it everyday as a commuter, but also pull my 40' 5th wheel, which weighs about 9K pounds around during the summer. I have had more issues with the truck itself than I have had with the engine. I do drive plenty long enough for it to heat up completely, so that might help as well. I think the thing that really killed it is the price point. I think most people would rather buy a 3/4 ton over a 1/2 ton given the small difference in price point, in short, I think the 1500 is over priced when compared to the 3/4 ton price point.
Love my 3L Duramax Silverado. High 40 MPG, 33 Hwy Average and 26.7 MPG Avg since purchase. 45,000 miles so far on the 2020.
I've got 296,000 miles on my 2016 Ecodiesel. Turbo went out at 275k, and some strange electrical problems that started appearing after the turbo swap, like misfires on one of the cylinders due to a bad wire, bad speed sensor readings etc, ( I think the shop pinched the harness somewhere when they pulled the cab) have been the only major issues it has had. It was also fully deleted at about 40k miles.
The ecodiesel is a 2 stroke mabey thats why they stopped it.
"fully deleted" in the US is a federal offense. The EPA is absolutely busting out owners of deleted trucks. All it takes is one employee or service provider to report you to the authorities, and the owner will be in trouble real quick. It's happening all the time.
Deleting a diesel to make it reliable is a huge gamble now. I currently own a 21 ram with the 6.7 cummins. If I didn't tow long distances and take long trips, I would have a gasoline engine. You have to run a modern diesel hard to keep the exhaust system clean. I had an 18 Chevy prior to my Ram, and the Duramax is the same way. Run it hard so the exhaust system can clean itself, you'll be fine. If you can't, don't get a diesel.
@@petervenskus4706 I premix a quart for every fill up as it is the older 2 stroke diesel in my pickup, boy i get some odd stares.
Love your info that you share. keep on doing what you’re doing you make great videos for people who are converting from gas to diesel.
So my question to you is, in a wrangler or smaller vehicle than a ram, would you recommend? I have a 22 cummins but my fiancé was considering 23 wrangler for the diesel. Would the def system need to be pulled? My Cummins is fine, I use additives and drive 40min each way to work so it doesn’t clog up. She drives 10min to work, would that lack of time for regen be an issue? As a truck driver I’m pretty well versed in reg maintenance and how to drive diesels.
I had a 2014 Eco since 2015. Fully deleted 2016 and no issues whatsoever. Recently sold it and bought the 2022 Eco, due to them being discontinued. Love this powerplant. But yes it needs to be deleted. Super efficient.
This engine wasn't originally designed for a marine purpose. That came later. This engine was originally developed for General Motors, for eventual use in European Cadillacs, but GM never used it.
It then appeared in the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee and some other car models.
Truth!
Yep
I have always had diesel vehicles. I love both diesel trucks and cars and suvs. We live in a remote area on top of the mountain and we have to commute up and down the mountain all the time and believe me, having that nice turbo on there and that extra torque is definitely amazing when you are coming up over the mountain compared to that of a gas powered car.
Unfortunately our previous diesel vehicle had a problem and after 3 weeks of ownership it got returned to the dealership because it was just simply a lemon. It had broken down several times in the 3 weeks that we owned it and we were able to get a full refund.
The problem with owning a diesel now is that the price of diesel has skyrocketed to levels that I haven't seen ever. We're not running into potential diesel shortages like in the United States but the local farmers are basically paying more now for diesel to harvest their crops than what they ever have. In the past 2 years, the price of diesel where I live has increased by over 300%. While I still wish that I had a diesel, I'm glad I don't because having the cost of my fuel increased by that much makes it unaffordable to drive. I have friends who own construction companies and Farms or are Tradesmen For Hire that rely on diesel powered vehicles and right now, because of that 300% increase in the price of diesel it's making it unaffordable for them to do business
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I have a 2016 ecodiesel, just now turn 88879 miles on it. I have had no problems except from recalls and the mechanics not knowing how to fix them. Once they so call fix one and they burnt up my wiring harness. They had to get a guy from Detroit to come down and show them how to do the recall right. If anything goes wrong with these engines they will shut down and you will only go about 15 mph. Now I have another recall due and they don't have the part, still. Been months.
When I first bought it, I got about 26 mpg, now about 22 after these recalls. If I go across country it will go back to 24-26 mpg.
I drive 20 miles each way back/forth to work each day.
I have driven cross country 5 times since I had it. Not scare to go again cross country. Never had a problem out of the motor. I keep the maintenance up to date.
I do hate buying this def crap.
California started this mess. Now they going all electric.
They ought to a recall and delete this mess off these vehicles. My opinion.
All these electric vehicles gona come back and bite these purchasers in the tail.
I like my ecodiesel.
My battery is 7 years old and going strong. Came with the truck.
My truck is ram 2016 Laramie Longhorn, 4x4, loaded out with leather seats, heated/cool seats, heated steering wheel. Sunroof. 4 doors. Very comfortable.
I love my ecodiesel but yeah your right it's got its problems but I can work on it myself so it's great for me
Look forward to your review of the 3.0 Duramax. That's my truck engine and so far it's been great. (knock on wood 😅)
I have had several turbodiesel engines including the ecodiesel. I would NEVER have a gas turbo car or truck.
What are your thoughts on taking the ram 1500 eco diesel and swapping it with the Cummins 3.8L ISF?
We have a 2020 ecodiesel in our Jeep Wrangler that my wife drives. It has been driven only 20K miles, to soccer practice, the mall, under 20 miles at a time. Currently it's in the shop for a valve cover leak, which we had a similar low oil pressure issue last year but the remedy was different. Considering trading her in on a gasser..
My brother got one. He wanted a ram and I encouraged him to get the eco diesel. He loves it. The problem for us was no dealers had them.
I feel like most dealer have no inventory lol
I’m debating on purchasing a diesel simply for the long lasting miles. I drive 120 miles round trip Mon through Fri for work and feel this truck would be perfect.
I’m with you man. Did you end up getting the truck?
The US and Canada has always had an issue with diesels in general where they are applied to general transportation and not heavy trucks and machinery. Throughout the world, most countries are predominately diesel. Never have understood that. As a certified Naval Diesel Inspector, I loved the idea of small diesel in 1/2 ton pickup. I do have a 2017 Ram Eco-diesel and I love it. When I do take it to work, my commute is over 50 minutes so plenty of warmup and drive time. I have not experienced any issues with the engine to this point, 70K miles. It is a shame they are going to discontinue the engine. However, I also think it has something to do the forcing of some states to go electric and going away from fossil fuels. The US government has already hailed California as the model to follow and being in Oregon is just as bad as Cal. Thanks for your insight!!
Appreciate the service sir!
This is one of the best I've seen you've got great mechanical skills
Kind of curious about the DT466 as an option.
My 3rd gen ED has been absolutely great. I make about 3 trips to California a year. 1500 mile round trip and it gets 33 mpg. Which is awesome. That being said, I’ll more than likely trade it in for the hurricane.
Hey I am about to buy a echo diesel 3.0 ram 1500 2018.
It has a DEF delete.
Ist it worth the purchase?
I think the major problem with diesel engines is that most consumers don’t understand how the need to be driven and the importance of proper maintenance. We have a fleet of around 20 diesel pickups and have very few engine problems that I attribute to education of our drivers as to proper driving and our maintenance program. I have a couple of friends with v6 diesel pickups and they love them, however they drive and maintain them properly .
In our business we see a lot of the 6 and 8 cylinder diesel truck come through our facility that have major engine problems or are toast due to mouse and/or poor maintenance. The general population just doesn’t understand diesel engines. I said for years that manufacturers would do themselves a great service if they educated customers about diesel engines prior to selling to them. Perhaps then many that simply do not need a diesel would opt for a gas powered truck. As an example, my brother bought an 80 something diesel Olds Cutlass and put over 300,000 miles on it with minimal repairs. I think maybe once he put injectors unit and an injector pump. He understood how to drive and maintain it properly.
I think beyond design issues, it also suffered from an identity crisis or a perception problem and you touch briefly on this saying it might not be best implemented in a truck. Because it's in a truck, we have a certain set of expectations for what it should be able to do. We expect higher torque, towing capacity, all of the things we've grown accustomed to with larger, more traditional diesel engines. But that's not really a niche it could ever fill. It's not like a 6BT but smaller. Or even a 4BT but more refined. It's more like a VW passenger car TDI engine, but bigger. It's smooth, quiet and efficient just like we expected those smaller diesels to be and really leans into those benefits but the performance needed to get to the towing and torque expectations, while also hamstrung by the emissions stuff, was just too much of a reach.
I'm going to buy a ram 1500 which engine u guys recommend
Thank you
Thank you so much for such a clear picture into this particular style engine. I was actually considering purchasing a used 2021 Jeep Wrangler that has the Eco diesel engine but with your clarification again on all of this as made this decision easier to not get one.unless you have a different insight that you wanna share?
GM's 3.0 Duramax now puts out 305hp.
My brother inlaw bought a ford150 twin turbo, I bought the ram eco. 3.twin turbo gas vs 3.0 turbo diesel: I get 23+ mpg, he gets 17 mpg. If I go on a long trip without traffic I get 27+, he gets 18.2 max, I don't know if its deliberately programmed into the trucks or what but it don't make sense, how can a twin turbo 3.5 be about same as a 5.7 heni?
Would doing delete solve all or just some of the problems? I'd like to do everything I can to get to 300-400k miles
I think your best point is that of the driving style of the folks buying it. I have a 16 ecodiesel with 140K miles on it. I have had no problems worth mentioning and it still looks, drives and rides like new. But I drive almost 40 mostly highway miles one way to work everday and make a lot of trips between VA and PA. The only time I got a regen message was during the lockdowns. I wasn't driving to work and I was making more short trips to the store and such. I think there is still a place for a 1500 diesel but it should be marketed properly. Diesels are no longer advantageous to people who make mostly short trips. I'll be keeping mine and would buy another. Fuel prices go up and they go down so I'm not too concerned about that. Good video. Thanks.
I own a 2017 ecodiesel, I agree people werent driving them like they should and also werent treating the truck like what it is...a DIESEL! People that have never bought or used a diesel engine treated this truck like a gasser. No warm up and heavy throttle.
Just wait, I’m at 200k on my eco diesel and it’s falling apart overnight.
@@harthart7529 200,000 miles on any truck is a lot of miles
@@MattSmith-vl8zp İÜ
@Johnny White would you buy a vehicle with 200,000 miles or more on it?
Main reason I did not go with the eco diesel in my 22 RAM is for the reasons you stated. My driving habits are not condusive to the needs of a modern diesel engine. Also the maintenance costs can be much higher due to all of the emission equipment. Cost of diesel fuel is another consideration along with the initial purchase cost. It just didn't make any sense for me. I hear people complaining about the fuel mileage with the 5.7 HEMI but I have actually averaged around 18mpg over 10k miles of mixed city hwy driving with a little bit of towing my 6Klb boat. If I am gentle I can easily get over 21mpg on the hwy. It is much more fuel efficient than the 09 RAM I had and is pretty close to the F150 I had with the 2.7 eco boost. I also had an F150 with a 3.5 eco boost and it actually got about the same fuel mileage as the RAM until you went into BOOST mode then it drank fuel like crazy. Personally I like simple for my truck whenever possible. If I were buying an HD truck I would likely go with the gas engine unless I needed the extra towing capacity or if I was gonna use it for "hot-shot" duty. Ford is probably right because I have seen very few of the F150 Powerstrokes on the road around here and we are pretty flush with pickup trucks.
Awesome info John! seems like you've driven a fair number of truck! I was always amazed how efficient the 5.7 hemi was!
The 3.0 gets 30
@@fightthelies4349 yes but the added cost of diesel fuel plus the higher maintenance costs offset a lot of that higher efficiency. Also for me personally I don't drive enough long distance for it to make sense. I love diesel powerplants when they make sense. For my use case it is not the proper tool.
@@JHuffPhoto yeah he got it back when diesel was the same or less than gas. I did a 3.4 swap in my second gen 4runner and get 18 on the highway and I'd swear we pay about the same per Mile because of the ridiculous price of gas. The 3.0 that was in there I was lucky to get 10mpg it was awful. And slow.
What is your opinion on the Titan Cummins?
I am sad they will stop make them .I had 2016 and now own 2020 both Ecodiesel . Really like the engine and never had one problems with them.
that's awesome sir! happy you've had good luck with your trucks!
Hi
I have 2015 Ram eco diesel and after I replace the turbocharger i have a warning with service throttle control, my truck has the Deleted state 2 from SKT
And when service throttle control signals come out it is not code in the ECM
But when i reset the ECM all working fine after 20 or 30 miles it is back
Any idea will be help me with this issue.
2018 ram ecodiesel here with 90k miles on it. The only issue I’ve ever had with it is the front driver side window actuator breaking. I still average about 32/27 mpg.
you do have to love that fuel mileage!
I never get above 22.4. I think my turbo is bad. I hear a lot of The of pfapfapfa and a high high pitched cricket sound. Can someone please respond if they agree
Is it discontinued for the Gladiator also?
Can all the emissions crap be removed on this particular diesel engine so that I don’t have to use the DEF fluid and it would run better as you have stated?
Gale Banks of Banks Power has had a 3L diesels in pickups over 10 years while squashing California Emissions.
Surprised he stays in California.
@@williamphelan8779 all his diesels best emissions standards by adding compressed, cooled, n moist air…
What would you think of a new 2023 eco diesel in a jeep gladiator? The dealers are offering steep discounts (with warranties) In a lighter vehicle that isn’t doing heavy towing would you have decent reliability? The torque profile is really impressive for the segment.
Just a quick? If you don’t mind I have a 2015 ram ecodiesel big horn package which for me has been flawless sure it’s been back to the dealership for all the recalls but as far as any mechanical issues I’ve had none am I driving a ticking time bomb should I get rid of it I love the truck
The vast majority of these are trouble-free. Many have been known to go four or 500,000 mi already. They were one of Ward's 10 best engines 3 years in a row.
Got one with almost 450k miles.. NO major issues at all
Why not design a ~4L inline 6 in the same vein as the 6bt, except smaller. Change some materials to save a bunch of weight where it's feasible, without compromising reliability. But maybe I'm wrong....
Diesel prices are usually temporary. Refiners have so called upgraders that can make more heavy distillates from lighter distillates. It just takes awhile.
From what I understand the GEN three diesel was completely redesigned and all you talked about was basically the first generation I don’t think the new eco-diesel has too many things in common with the first generation. I know a couple guys in on them and they are happy. No, I’m a truck driver and I love diesel engines but I ended up buying a hemi because again like you said the price of diesel versus price of gas makes the diesel motor completely useless
I would not say completely useless. Compared to the super unleaded price because modern engines full timing if you don’t use it and that loses a little bit of MPG. Also consider the towing capability is much more efficient if you’re doing that with a diesel. The next thing is the range. Nothing beats a diesel in long range.
Welcome back , where you been? Missed ya.
busy with the new place!!
Finally a gear head who knows what he is talking about. if you see a 3.0 liter anything here in USA I guarantee it came from Europe
I have a 2021 ecodiesel and I love it, overall. I presume it came with gen 3, but mine will alert me to needing to drive at high speeds while it burns out and lets me know when it is done. It has really been a beast when needed and great mileage when not. I am concerned about the longevity and more so now that it has been cancelled (just found about it with this video today ... ugh). I have a wide range of trucks of various sizes and engine, this has been my overall favorite.
Sorry if this is too off topic.
I’d love to know your view of the v6 diesel used in Sprinter vans. Especially in the VS30. It seems kinda low powered on paper. But driving it in a built out 4x4 van at 8200 pounds seems very capable. But not being able to idle it to charge the lithium batteries. Is kinda a disappointment. Especially since I grew up in the 70’80’s and idling was a staple of diesel engines.
As a truck driver whom runs the current Emission systems we have I can say one of the biggest reasons why I see break downs in the SCR system is heat related problems… it is amazing how much a diesel engine heater can reduce some of these problems…
The CEO of Ram said they were getting rid of it to pursue EV pickups.... bad decision right now
real tough right now lol and I meant I can't see the 2024 EV ram being under 50k. probably much closer to 100k. how can the average person actually afford that.
Doubt that….
I believe most of the EV garbage is Political Theater. Our infrastructure will not handle complete electrification of commercial and noncommercial vehicles. To charge a class 8 vehicle quickly, you’ll need a megawatt charger, which is essentially the power draw of a Walmart Super Center. Unless the rich and powerful want to go extinct, EV vehicles are simply not the answer! Emission systems are the killer of all internal combustion engines period; however, hydrogen technology will kill emissions systems, especially if they can find a way produce clean hydrogen much more efficiently.
Ram should of opted to put the 5L Cummins in the 1500 instead of the ecodeisel
I'm honestly not sure what happened with the 5L I know Nissan also discontinued it because of horrible sales numbers but it would of been a rocket ship of an engine in a ram 1500 that's for sure!
@@TheGettyAdventures From what I've heard & seen, that engine wasn't very reliable. Looks like the modern emissions systems (much like the RAM ecodiesel) didn't mix with the engine design generally.
But man, they were able to get the Titan into the 5/8 ton category (exempt from many emissions standards) & 25 mpg on the highway empty would be INSANE for a half-ton
I dont think ram had a say in the motor
Maybe the 400+ horsepower and 550'+ pounds of torque Would break things on a standard 1500 truck??.. I do know the Dodge Challenger hell cat Has a beefier transmission than the Standard 1500 ram..Cost too much to build A standard truck??
I have a 2015 Eco diesel in a Laramie 4 × 4 .. inand.. RAM they changed the oil recommendations.. That made me 🤔. so I started changing the oil every 5,000/6000 miles instead of the recommended 10,000 miles, At 10000 miles this oil was completely filthy!!.. Knock on wood the truck has a 135000 miles on it now, And I really love this engine, It does not burn any oil And it seems to get 25 miles to gallon highway or city? I don't add a drop to it until the next oil change,.but It is expensive to keep up though, 2 1/2 gallons of synthetic rotella T6, And filter. In a 3 L engine. You just keep pouring the oil in😅.. I think people were trying to hot rod these 3L engines and taking them past the 10,000 oil change? No weird knocking.., But it is a little louder than when it was new.
The hurricane engine is the only new turbo 6 cylinder that I can think of that’s in-line and I think that’s a big plus .
It should be a cool engine. I think the torque will surprise people.
@@TheGettyAdventures 510 hp so right there that’s looking good especially if the fuel economy goes up
It's going to be a shit motor like everything they produce
There's actually a bunch of new i6 engines,they're trending
The big plug is that crappy oil pump belt? That sounds expensive to change not to mention you might need oil .
How stupid is that design?
I bet it breaks the minute your warrenty is up and your on the freeway yep nothing like losing your main bearings
Basically all of the problems with diesel engines are caused by government.
Considering Europe uses tons of diesel engines and the EPA won't allow those engines over here I don't think the issue is diesel, it's the EPA.
Had 2014 Ram Ecodiesel, first engine went 22k miles and started chirping like a bearing was going out. Engine was replaced by Ram in 2018, 2nd engine went 21k and spun #5 connecting rod bearing. The truck was deleted at 7k miles, so no emissions and a straight pipe from 7k on... and still took out 2 engines. It's not the emissions, it's a lack of oil clearance.
that's rough lol good to know that even with your emission deleted the engine still blew a rod out
I saw one torn down on utube. It has a bearing failure. After watching the video I took that engine off my list permanently.
Sounds like Opperator error. Sounds like u drove it around town like a gas engine should be driven
Emissions killed it, and emissions are bringing back the simple diesels especially in older trucks and equipment. I've seen a 80 year old Oliver tilling the lands in the Central Valley of California, in 2022. The owner said he couldn't afford a new Johnny Deere, as the tier 4 final garbage raised the price too much, and the Oliver was still running.
Here in west Texas you have idiots with eco diesel truck trying to do the same thing a 3/4 ton does and they screw the truck up
Earlier versions had some major quality problems and 3 liters is a bit small for the application. Also the "Inflation Control Act" was mostly remnants of the "Green New Deal" and is 'encouraging' migration to electric.
"Encourage" lmao I love how a 1000 ft 250ton ship can roll coal across the oceans every single day using a barrel every minute. And ship dismantlers burning EVERYTHING, and pouring out toxic fluids. BUT WE IN THE USA ARE THE PROBLEM....
Do you think it’s better or worse than the Ram v6 gas?
I had a 2018 Eco Diesel. It spun a rod bearing at 88,000 miles. I really loved that pickup.Thank goodness I had an extended warranty but with the waiting 4 to 6 months for a new month definitely made my decision to trade for a 2024 Ram 1500 with a Hemi motor.
Please review the LM2 Duramax. Its absolutely amazing.
heard good thing about it tbh!
@@TheGettyAdventures i own the LM2 on a lifted Sierra and its been a great engine. Second Gen called the LZ0 just got released. Also great reviews far it so far.
I hope they get the exhaust figured out for the Hurricane engine. My 21 classic has eaten 2 Manifold heatshields and it's only got 9,600 km on it. It was also cool to get a peak at what your working on in the Shop!
Haha i figured some folks would be interested in what I do at the shop. Do you have a 5.7 hemi ?
@@TheGettyAdventures Yeah, the 5.7 Hemi. Love the sound of the Engine. Hate the tinkle of the broken heat shield bolts.
I have one with italian engine and the fuel pump fail, still in dealer trying to fix after two months
ya I've heard some good horror stories about waiting for parts. sorry to hear that
Ecodiesel is one of the best diesel engines without emissions period.
If you can't delete the emissions don't buy this truck.
Transmission is also one of the best on the market 8 speed.
The problem I have seen , over the years, is that people want to drive them like a gas engine.
Then, stack all the emissions garbage on top of it, and it just doesn’t work in that market.
I've got an first gen Eco diesel in a 2012 WK2 jeep ( US factory Export to Australia ) DPF but no DEF. 350,000kms 6100 hrs it's almost given up after being hydrolocked with bent rods. but in all honesty it was extremely efficient powerful, original injectors completely un opened. only 4x4 with a good towing capacity and efficiency on the market then.
0-100kph in 2.2 tonne in 8sec. Everything else on the market here is 4 cylinder. The 2.8 "duramax" made by same company as the eco diesel was the highest output you could get here.
As it stands where I live in Southeast Texas the cost of diesel is $1.65 more than regular unleaded. Running the numbers it cost more per mpg using diesel. When you factor in DEF, routine maintenance & higher repair costs for diesel it doesn't make sense to purchase a LD truck with a diesel. Back in the day when diesel cost less or even a little more than gasoline it was advantageous to buy a diesel. Until there's a complete reversal in diesel prices stay with an aspirated gas engine and NOT the turbo gas engine as those are having their own problems. If you really want a diesel it seems the GM 3.0 Duramax coupled with the 10 speed tranny is a good choice and has good reviews.
Yea I have a old second gen 12 valve it gets decent mileage, zero engine problems and I have a tdi jetta same deal . However even though both get better mileage the price offset make buying a half ton diesel.not attractive to me
Had the ecodiesel. Was an awesome puller especially with green diesel engineering additions. Was a bit boring around town. But video! 3 min of info scattered along 11 min.
appreciate the info! the Eco diesel I drove did feel sluggish around town
>> A major part of crude oil is that folks only see the price per barrel. 90% of the crude oil moved in the USA is done by railroad. The railroads charge almost one million dollars per train from point A to point B. The returning empty train to be reloaded costs the shipper five hundred thousand dollars. This does not include the fuel cost of about 23000 gallons of diesel burned off for one delivery, from the Canadian border to Texas refineries. The bottom line is, every barrel of crude now costs $33 more plus the market price. If we had the pipeline President Trump had started, the cost per barrel moved is .33$. Yes, thirty-three cents per barrel. I work for a class one railroad here in Chicago.
So what do we do for parts for those of us that are stuck with ecodiesels?
Sell that pos
Pray
By Federal law a manufacturer has to be able to supply parts for 10 years after it goes out of production.
I recently heard from a GM dealer that the 4 cylinder Duramax diesel will not be available after this year.
I’m not very familiar with the engine itself but I am a diesel mechanic working on larger Cummins diesel in a transit fleet. If not for the emissions equipment diesel engines are equipped with I believe they would be great in a normal vehicle like a pickup but only if you are someone who does a lot of highway commuting. Stop and go city driving will definitely start clogging up the particulate filter with these
My 2014 I canceled all the emissions it works great 26 miles a gallon in the city 34 on the highway 24 miles a gallon when I’m towing 7000 pounds With 10 ply tires
Strip the emissions if you don't live where they don't do the checks and they are great pickups. This was the first small diesel in a half ton pickup. Was a great idea. They could have done better. But I love my 2015.
It was not the first.
@@asherdie It was the first true diesel engine in a half ton truck. The 1978 Chev-GMC half tons had an Oldsmobile 350 engine converted to run on diesel fuel. They were one of the worst engines ever.
@@zayoutlaw you're forgetting the 6.2 that came in half tons.
@@zayoutlaw and the Ram 50 had up to an 2000 pound payload with a diesel, small truck but definitely "1/2 ton" rated. And if my memory serves I believe international had a diesel half ton.
Dodge had a Mitsubishi option also.
Kramer Tractor news, back 80's about diesel engine valve temp, burning off carbon. Mechanical fuel pump era! GM 5.7L, driving short distances and stopping. Same driving pattern, maybe the addition of Pro heat, Eberspach, etc to heat coolant to operating temp?
My 2019 Ecodiesel has just been diagnosed with a snapped crankshaft, has anyone else had this happen? My Jeep dealer has not seen one do this before.
Is this the same 3.0 diesel jeep started using?
Thanks for the basics I bougt a ecodiesel....great milage not sure about anything else
as a owner why not jus delete the dpf?
Any past recalls on the 1st generation ecodiesel?
1st generation was never here only 2nd and 3rd generation engines
It's simply Bidinomics, which mean we have to pay more for less every day.
I agree, I also own a echo diesel. They're not for people who live in the city. That is a fact, but they offer a Great-Power package with good fuel economy the. Reason Ram ditched the echo diesel. It's because they were Focusing more on the Electric Stuff coming out. Also, the new hurricane motor too many projects on the table one had to go
Where did you get your license to work on diesels?
i thought ecodiesel team was moving to the EV side
At least they will still let you order an ecodiesel for 2023 tho!!
The emissions requirements are killing the diesel engine, in my opinion.
I respect your opinions on this about the use case, but I disagree. I use my EcoDiesel as a work truck. It's crossed the country multiple times towing cars and cargo and has done it efficiently. It's been a great truck
Except for the blown rod at 60K, which RAM fully covered (carbon build up in the intake they think). I'm hoping to replace it with a Revolution in the future.
Hey fair enough! I've heard lots of people who like these engines!
Mine engine is great except for that time it blew up with only 60k on it. Hoping you can get another 70k before this one blows up
They just came out with their new LZ0 diesel engine. 👏
It sucks that they came out with the most fuel efficient full-size truck with the ecodiesel and then canceled in the same breath
Had a friend hint that the FIAT diesel upon from which it is descended had a poor service history, something about the cams going out of time? Still don't understand why we're futzing around w/ all these antiquated designs when we all know that opposed-piston diesels are the way to go?
Diesel has never been cheaper than gas over last 20 years!
I mean I remember back in like 2010 diesel was cheaper. not by much. in my region anyways diesel used to always be a couple cents per liter cheaper.
Ford is correct. I work at a Ford dealership. I don’t think we sold more than 2 or 3 during the time they made them. It didn’t really have any advantages over the gasoline engine. It didn’t even tow as much as the eco boost or 5.0 liter. No advantage
Main problem is because it was a Fix It Again Tony FIAT and it wasn't reliable.
It should have been a straight 6.
That's the truth, I've got a Mercedes E320 '05 that's the inline 6, that gets 45
It didn’t fail the 2020+ in the 5th gens is outstanding. What’s changed is Ram’s grand plan for the 1500 certainly in part due to our our out of control government. The Hemi & Pentastar will also go away.
Instead of 3 engine choices based on your priorities you will only get a triplicate of choice of one engine in 3 versions. A single turbo 6 cylinder gas, the same plus a big battery & electric motor, and a twin turbo HO version. The bean counters win at least until the public decides whether this continues Ram market share gain on Ford & GM or whether don’t settle for this and Ram loses market share.
Cool video