RAM 1500 3L EcoDIESEL V6 Engine *Diesel Mechanic Review* | Why The BAD REPUTATION?
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- I Review the Ram 1500 Ecodiesel 3L v6 Diesel Engine as a Diesel mechanic and discuss the history of the Eco diesel engine and talk about why this diesel engine in the RAM 1500 has a negative reputation. I discuss the top 3 issues with the second gen Ecodiesel engine, leaking EGR coolers, Bottom end bearing failures and the EPA emission recall, I look at fuel economy, engine specs, reliability and engine performance.
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I hope everyone is having a great weekend. with the final 2023 Ecodiesel trucks being sold as new trucks I figured it was time to revisit the infamous 3l ecodiesel engine that truly shook up the 1500 truck segment.
the 3L ecodiesel came from the italian engine maker VM motori and made its debut in the 2011 jeep grand Cherokee.
eventually Chrysler would bring the second gen 3L Eco diesel over to north America and bring put in the ram 1500 trucks. at first this looked like a wonderful idea and the 3L ecodiesel engine was highly praised and won awards for its power, torque and fuel economy.
but eventually people caught on that this Eco diesel engine was not as reliable as people had hoped. the first issue was the constant emission reliated failures. Clogged DPF's were common and other emission related engine lights.
The first major issue was the cracked EGR coolers that were constantly failing and eventually ram had to release a Recall due to potential fire hazard.
The second major issues and the one that would worry me the most as a buyer or owner is the bottom end failures. the Second gen Eco diesel seemed to spit out rod bearings and this was due to the crankshaft actually flexing during heavy load.
to me this is a strong signal that this diesel engine is simply not built to withstand the duty cycles and work load of a pick up truck. the engine was built for the passenger vehicle market and it shows.
the last major issues was the EPA emission Scandal and emission recall. the engines were emitting too much NOX gases into the atmosphere and the EPA fined chrysler 300 million dollars. all truck had to be recalled and have software updates.
this software update resulted in lower fuel economy, less acceleration and lower engine power. leaving owners disjointed.
there are a number of other issues with this engine that keeps going. overall in my opinion these engines deserve the bad rep they get because they were not meant for the pick up truck application and were unreliable. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
The moment I heard Italian automotive engineering was involved, I knew exactly where this video would end up and I was right.
They do make some of the best motorcycles, they just can’t seem to transfer that skillset to 4 wheels
@@Cloud30000 best motorcycles?? Really???
@@Cloud30000 They certainly create some of the sexiest motorcycles in the world, but "best", I guess it depends on how you define best, if you define it in terms of quality then the Japanese motorcycles reign supreme.
@@llegacy1870 Exactly, like Beta? Give me a break. All motorized vehicles made in Italy are junk!
@@onthethrottle7104 wow! What a stupid comment. Lamborghini and Ferrari would beg to differ. And so would the rest of the world
Had one. Started when really cold out, ran great, pulled a camper great. Only real problem was an undersized radiator. If you watched the temp gauge while towing it wasn't horrible but could be much better.
Had zero problems with it.
“The only real problem”….
Then …
“Had zero problems”
Typical dodge customer
@@fastinradfordable I didn't have problems with the cooling system because I didn't push it past it's limits. Kinda like... It has a rev limit of 4,500 rpm(or whatever any particular vehicle has), so I didn't go over that. Dodging would be saying the cooling system was perfect. It isn't. Not dodging a thing. In fact I'm pointing out POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. Just like a red line, you know where it's limits are and don't push it past that.
Yup, undersized radiator and oil cooler.
@@fastinradfordable It's not a Dodge Lol.
@@fastinradfordable How do you know he is a Dodge customer? He didn't mention owning any Dodges.
A lot of the problem with the modern diesels is they’re being made lighter duty so they’re cheaper, but they’re also making more power which shortens life. Then add in the high EGR flow adding loads of carbon and the life gets even shorter.
Old diesels were built much stronger, but also made less power so they lasted longer. This engine is making similar torque and higher horsepower than the old 5.9 cummins people are so fond of. But, this engine isn’t anywhere near as robust.
100%
Long gone are the days of 300 horsepower 7.4 l V8s 😢
Gm Thailand 2.8 diesel...only issues were emissions...187000 mikes...traded in for a 2.7 gas 30k
Nice video. Factual, relevant and you maintained focus with no unnecessary commentary. A solid 5 Stars. I just bought a ´23 Gladiator and am awaiting the Gen3 video. New subscriber now. 👍
My 2014 1500 ecodiesel was made mid Frebuary, it is now10 years and 2 mounths old ,Love this truck, at- -50F it will start right up,, my drive to work is 7 miles, so the echoes fully hot by 4 miles, i get 19 city and24 how,on winter fuel aka kerosene,here in Central Nebr,, summer fuel i get 27 city and 34 + hyway ride is awsome, the eco to me is perfect in this truck
Excited the see the gen 3 video
Yeah, reviewed up to the 2nd. I want to hear about the 3rd Gen
I have a 2nd GEN 2016, love the truck, 170,000 going solid, I do use heavy duty diesel oil (Rotella T6 5W40 ), these 2nd GENs needs to use the same oil as CUMMINS 6.7 use ,and not the original oil that was intended to used with them. So if you own a second gen use any diesel oil with the CK4 detergent spec. I do have a BANKS systems , inline tunner installed , Proved on a DYNO, I gained HP, torque and also my MPG went up by 3mpg, while staying emission compliance. The BANKS systems keeps the engine working cleaner with less regeneration. I do live in FLORIDA, so for me emissions are not need it, my next step will be deleting the truck and re tune, if you live in a emissions compliance state, I will recommend a banks deringer with the pedal monster combo. I forgot to mention my truck its level running 35 inch tires, daily driver, love the truck. I also run every 6000 miles a bottle of diesel extreme from the
hotshot secret products, I have noticed that the fuel systems works better since I start using it, the check engine light went away for the DPF and the engine sounds smoother. Im not affiliated with any of the brands I have mentioned, Im just putting
out there what have works for me.
Great review! Got got a 14 Jeep GC, 176,000km just starting into random intermittent emission faults.
I had a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 3 liter EcoDiesel. First failure. Water pump leak 35k miles. Second failure Turbo coolant hose failure 56k Third failure high pressure fuel Bosch CP4 85k .Shredded metal in fuel system. After EGR Coolant Leak recalled and Crank Sensor recall we traded Jeep in for gas 5.7
I bought a new '14 GC and I still have it. I was fearful of a Fiat diesel and thank God I got the Pentastar V6; it ain't great but it's pretty good.
Very much enjoyed your presentation. Very well done. Great common sense explanations of complex mechanical issues. Excellent!
Wonderful rundown of the Ecodiesel and it's issues. I have a 2018 Eco with 120K km, and have had no issues. I did put a GDE tune on it but still have SCR and DPF...just basically got rid of the EGR which is the biggest problem with any diesel. I have a spare core on hand that had a rod knock, so if the time comes hopefully I can make one engine out of the two of them.
Great video as always. Cant wait until you get your hands on the new Chrysler HURRICANE engine, which was just announced as the volume engine option in the 2025+ RAM 1500s.
We own a 2017 Ecodiesel and love it. Only 75000 miles on it. We live in a rural area and have to drive it freeway speeds to get anywhere. Had the EGR cooler replaced under the recall. We used to tow a 6000ib trailer over the mountain. Got 15 mpg towing that trailer over the mountain passes. We only drive about 10k miles annually. I only use Royal Purple oil. No overheating. We use 10W 40 oil.
I used 5w40 but it also gets well below 0 here. Seems to do well but you really gotta drive them. Many people just drive them to church on Sunday. Towing is probably the best thing for it. Burn hot and clean!
might you also be driving at high altitude?
Done any engine tuning?
Alex. Another GREAT informative video! Almost bought one in 2019...glad I didn't! I waited till 2022 and bought a Hemi Rebel instead. Best Ram I ever had and I've had a few of them.
Cannot go wrong with the 5.7L. Not perfect but just a great all round engine 👌
Good job explaining things.
I own the 3rd Gen can't wait for the next vidoe
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 108k so far. Zero issues. Do have the recall for the fuel pump scheduled for May. Been using Rotella T6 5w40 and stanadyne additive.
I had a 2014 Ram with the ecodiesel. I absolutely loved it. I traded it for a 2500 but had 154000 Kms on it with only one issue. The def sensor!! Big bucks because it is in the diesel tank.
Great fuel economy, and not bad power pulling my 8000 lbs trailer.
I guess I just got lucky getting a good one.
Anything to do with emissions just seems costly on these trucks.
I bought a used Jeep Grand Cherokee with the ecodiesel, and I had a pretty good 3 year run. It did have to go to the dealer for engine light, tied to emissions system, but it was repaired under extended warranty. Other than that downtime, and one scary incident where the computer didn’t like the lower grade Def fluid from O Riley’s, saying it would soon not restart…it performed well (gas mileage like you mentioned, towing tractor or snowmobile trailer with ease). Kinda miss it, but enjoying a Hemi gas V8 now 😉
Well I’m definitely glad I’m hearing more about these issues with the ecodiesel, as we have been seriously looking at Gladiators and those with the 3.0, have bigger discounts and tougher transmissions. That are better drivers than the 3.6 V6 gas. But they have a decent reputation. There an off road recovery company down here in Florida that has a seriously built Gladiator gas V6, that he beats the heck out of! Doing an going through amazing stuff, other than snow. Call it Florida brown snow. With that said, do you have any experience with the 3.6 V6? Plus I’m surprised your shop truck in 4x2? Have you thought about the new Chevy 3.0 inline diesel?
196k on my 14 ecodiesel jeep gc. Tuned and deleted runs great. 32+mpg summer and 29+mpg winter.
You keep your shop spotlessly clean!
Nice.
I'm about to get the Gladiator with the 3.0 diesel... Thinking this Jeep might become a classic
2014 eco Diesel,74000 miles on it. Had DEF tank fail,EGR cooler done on recall. Truck was great when new. After the emissions update it has been a dog. Lost a lot of power and fuel mileage. Just got another recall today for the Lift pump.When it was new,the truck would get 33 mpg on the highway. All the miles are highway driving. I still like the truck,but the reliability issues have me looking at a gasoline truck next. Something I can work on!
I had 2018 ram limited was bought brand new , 6 months later had head gasket leak brought to dealer had take cab off replace but was 3 different gaskets , couple months later had erg cooler recall traded truck in , know I have 2023 sierra with 3.0 diesel love truck know with 3,700 miles has emission issue . I work around diesel engines I know how they operate it’s all good love baby duramax great fuel mileage tim
I absolutely love my 2017 4x4 ecodiesel, which I bought brand new. I towed my travel trailer with ease, averaging 15-20mpg when towing. When I was commuting more on the highway the first couple of years, I averaged 28mpg, and 30mpg once I installed a hard cover for my truck bed. Even after I put a 2" level kit and 33" AT tires, the truck drove smooth and I my mpg averaged 27 on the highway as a result. It's offroading capabilities stock was impressive as well. I loved my truck, but once I stopped towing and commuting on the highway routinely, my exhaust filter started to fill with soot on occasion. I live in Los Angeles and now drive 5-15 minute short commutes, stop and go city traffic only, resulting in the exhaust filter sensor to routinely ping every 2-3weeks. Then I would have to drive on the highway for about 15 minutes at night to start the regen process, burning out the soot in the exhaust filter, problem solved. It wasn't a big deal but it was pretty annoying. I figured I would deal with it because I love the truck so much. Other than the exhaust filter filling with soot, I've had zero issues with the engine and it has almost 50k miles on it. Sadly, I decided to sell my ecodiesel. As much as I love my ecodiesel, it makes no sense to own one if you live in the city. The biggest appeal was the fuel economy factor, but when you have to drive the truck on the highway and burn more diesel to blow out the soot in the exhaust filter, it kind of defeats the purpose to own. Especially for city slickers like me. My experience just confirms that the ecodiesel was made to drive long distance and work, not drive in short commutes or traffic routinely. I hope this helps. I would still recommend this truck if you don't live in the city.
Did you take into mpg consideration that you often have to commute twice as far just cause
I have a 2014 Grand Cherokee with this motor. 140,000 miles and still running like a top! Did have some emissions issues but we overcame them.
Finally had an issue with mine, a glow plug failed. Easy 1 hour fix and bought the glow plug on ebay for cheap. Tuned and deleted when new, 170,000 miles now. EGR cooler deleted early on.
Best way to keep the Ecodiesel alive is to get ride of the emissions
I probably will be one of the few. And agree with most. If you got a good one you are lucky. I had a 2014 Ecodiesel for 6 years. Towed a 7k camper went to 7 states with it and ran it around our bi state area. It did break down 1 time cause of the crank tone wheel shattered. Also intake swerl values and thermostat went out.. But other then those few things it was only recalls and maintenance. Also a regiment of hot shots products. I did trade it in with 237k miles and all of its emissions in tact. Now i have a 18 2500 Cummins and it has already been in the shop more then the Ecodiesel. Also wife was really disappointed i traded it in. So in short i loved it and was leery of it but it never really let me down. And couldn't pass up the price on the 2500
My father in law has a 2006 Liberty with the 2.8 l CRD. It has almost 190,000 miles on it, and other than a few age related issues with it, it is still chugging along.
We were mostly short trip, lots of idling. Bottom end went at 30K miles. I think (I hope) the SCR got plugged up, creating too much backpressure. Engine has to fight through that & fails. We dropped in a good-used motor. Diesel specialists said to fully tune it, and it's been great so far. Towing a 8000lb 30ft TT :), getting 13L/100km! It is a good engine. Range Rover is snapping cranks too.
I have this diesel engine in a Jeep Wrangler and gladiator. Perfect engine if you modify with a lift and larger tires. 27 mpg with 37 inch tires on the wrangler and 23 mpg with the gladiator on 37 inch tires
“Perfect”
Then u must be Able to fix anything that happens yourself
Interesting video. The torque available is only marginally better than my custom ordered 1989 Mercury Grand Marquis. The 5.8 Windsor engine and towing package was rated for 6000 pounds of trailer. The torque rating was 395 pb/ft at 2,200 rpm.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
I love my 2015 Ram EcoDiesel, but it has certainly had its fair share of problems. Entire motor replaced at 165K miles. New motor is running great now after some “weight loss” modifications and custom tuning. It’s a beast of a truck now, but it takes a special owner to put up with it when it turns into a delicate flower.
As an original owner of a 2014 ecodiesel with 290k, I can sympathize. Fortunately I've not had any bottom end issues and I told the dealer not to flash the 2017 emissions change, and I've had the GDE hot tune since about 120k. Also, short trips were never an issue.
I've been eyeing the hurricane straight six, but after 10 years with the ecodiesel, and pulling a 8,500lb 35 ft rv trailer to FL annually from Ontario, I suspect pumping premium fuel to slake the thirst of that twin turbo would be a major, and unwelcome, change.
I think the inline 6 twin turbo will have tons of pulling power but yes probably also very thirsty with a load behind it.
I had one engine failure around 50k miles 2018 jeep grand cherokee. Had to wait 6 months after many of the replacement engines in 2023 were bad from factory. Got a remanufacture engine probably same bad crank but was not assembled correctly and failed 2 weeks later. Read some cranks allowed more flex if not forged correctly or poor metal. Not sure if true. Then waited another 3 months for current latest 2nd gen engine that is working fine, but hard to have long term faith if no one said how these are better or improved. Many people waiting for new injector recalls as well. Most of industry uses same injectors for diesels. No idea of any improvements were made to my replacement engine, I begged them to replace the bad 2nd gen with the latest 3rd generation. As mentioned the mandated reprogramming and transmission detunes killed mpg and gave a nasty 2 seconds acceleration lag without using sport mode compared to prior. I know replacement engine mounting points and computer program would be difficult but I would feel better. Rest of jeep has been rock solid. Zf transmission is smooth. Air suspension been reliable. Interior holding up well . I changed oil with amsoil signature and never abused it or towed. Gde tunes for many people get 27mpg plus and 700 plus miles on a tank of diesel. Amazing range. The 3rd generation or last 2019-2023 is built so much better and hardly any failures and more power. I would have more confidence in it. Thankfully it was covered within warranty but some people were out thousands. I learned from an expert that the vm motori ecodeisel engine was benchmarked off of Ford Lion 3.0 diesel I was told. Lot of bottom end failures and similar crank design. One lesson is only an inline 6 with a forged crank is the way to go. I came from gm 4.2 inline 6 envoy gmc with a stronger and more main bearings. That type of crank and well balance engine that would run for hundreds of thousand miles with proper care and had so much potential left in it. Wish gm kept it. Big fan of inline 6 gas or diesels. The new mazda or stelantis hurricane or bmw 3.0 Inline 6 gas uses premium gas but you can get better discounts with premium than diesel around me and was opposite for me in 2018-2019. Premium is often cheaper or same as diesel lately. When it was new in 2018. Diesel was similar to regular or mid grade gasoline back then when i shopped around.
Pros and cons to Gm.s strt.3.lt.6 diesel,,I am concerned with a diesel high comp.engine thou using 0-20 oil?..better change the oil often..@UFPT19
Super great video with a really good communicator! Well done. My question is, can you purchase high performance pieces for the engine and make it bullet proof? If so, that might be the route to take because the engine is a great concept, just need to bullet proof a bit! Let me know if that can be done... please comment here.
You can't bullet proof a turd
I bought a 2014 model when they first came out. The truck spent more time at the dealer because of emission system issues than any other vehicle I had ever owned. It was fantastic for road trips, but my short daily commutes didn’t do it any favors. I ended up selling it less than 2 years later.
I had a 2015 model running the GDE tune. It was always a great truck. It was the HFE model, basically a very plain Tradesman so I traded it for a Longhorn - after I took the 3k settlement check.
Gotta get that settlement check! How did you like the long horn ?
@@TheGettyAdventures I got a 2019 Quad Cab with the V-6. I got the V-6 because I did not want the cylinder deactivation of the hemi, and it is as quick as I need. I love the truck and at almost 50k miles it has never had a defect.
My 2016 Ecodiesel has over 155k miles . . . .and I love the fuel economy (especially coming from my Ford F150 with 5.4l engine) and power. However, there has been some rough patches along the way with the EGR cooler leaking (twice), cooling fluid pump and piping leak and of course, the EPA recall which decimated the performance, economy and safety of the vehicle. My dad is a retired CHP officer and couldn't believe the acceleration delay after the recall and the danger it created when pulling onto moving traffic! Fortunately, I found a third-party tune - Sofa King Tuned
(. . . can't get the Green Diesel Engineering option in California - another story!) which corrected all the EPA issues and brought the engine "back to life"! The 1500 Laramie is by far the most comfortable truck I've ever owned (and functional with the Rambox) with the capable and efficient Gen2 Ecodiesel. Hope to keep it to 300K before parting with it . . . as long as there are no more major issues! BTW - my wife is an accountant and "hates" the truck because of the past repair and recall issues . . . but insists we take it on all family trips!
The ecodiesel when running well is a great option for these trucks. The idea is wonderful but as you mentioned there are numerous speed bumps with these engines lol
Have a 2018 Ecodiesel. I had a Green Diesel Engineering tune since new (turns of the EGR). Oil stays much cleaner. Rotella T6 5-40 since new as well. 130,000 km and I want to keep it running as long as possible. Any ways to keep it going? A delete perhaps? Thanks for the video and outlining the issues.
I've got a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee... I had another 2014 but smoked a deer with it...that one had 340K km's on it...current one has 140,000 km and runs like a top...had zero issues with the first one...the secret is to change the oil.... I change it at 5000 KM...and ignore the oil life monitor... as for towing anything heavy...I use my 6.7 F250...I use Rotella T6 5W40 in both for oil
I also ignore the extended interval on my gasser.
Yep, 2015 GC for me. Unfortunately, we test drove a 5.7L, but only considered the trade a week before the decision to take the 3L Ecodiesel (100,000 km) on one last trip. And it was definitely the last trip (if you don't count the flatbed hauling). We were towing an approximately 5500lb trailer, until we were sitting on the shoulder with a blown-out turbo, and the whole emission system was dead, and some valve assembly melted on the transmission for $17,000 (U.S.) price tag. I'll admit it was kind-of fun to drive when it was actually running. However, there was one issue after the other (mainly emissions related, but an alternator had blown too). If you don't tow and also cruise on the highway everyday then it is probably fine, as I've seen some rather high odometers. Definitely my biggest vehicle regret though.
Here in Italy this engine is rare, we have it only on Maserati and fiat van-pick up. We generally use the 1.3, 1.6, 2.0, 2.2 diesel which are pretty reliable and super economical
Interesting. Thanks!
Loved my 2016 Ram Ecodiesel...other than the recalls, no issues. Traded in with 121k miles for 2023 Ram Ecodiesel. HPFP recall was just performed. Hoping for another 120k trouble free miles.
did it happen to be a red Laramie? Im looking at a used 2016. If so let me know who you traded it in to. Maybe it is a small world.
Like the E-Torque, credit to RAM for pushing a concept. I wish more than Chevy offered a small diesel, even if there is a modern emissions system. Good video, enjoyed the extra background on the engine.
Ford just stopped selling theirs. There wasn't much of a market for it.
@@murrkem8239it’s not that there wasn’t much of a market for it, it’s that from a business perspective it made less sense for them as diesel engine maintenance and replacement warranties were more costly and, in addition, they wanted to push their hybrid engines. I know a guy with a 3L powerstroke and he absolutely loves it. Can’t say the same for any eco boost owner I know
It was a fantastic idea just used a bad engine. The GM 3L duramax is actually a great engine and probably the reason why its still available
the little powerstroke had problems too, guess who initially designed that one too... thats right VM Motori
@lillieursua4614 heard it was the other way around,motari copied the lyonFord engine,,the gm has some quirks too but running a high comp.diesel on 0,-20 oil still seems risky,,dont forget early oil changes..
Would you recommend to avoid? Found a great deal on 2017 Laramie with 73,000km. Extended warranty to 150,000km..gun shy now after watching this. May just delete the emissions junk right away to avoid some of the issues. It will be used as a long range commuter some gear in the back but nothing crazy. No real towing besides a couple of atvs. Great vids!
Honestly its a gamble, if you get a good one you get a good one, but bad ones can be a nightmare
Looking fit!
206,000 on my 2014. Run highways hauling enclosed dual axel. Still strong engine did replace transmission recently. Somehow tcm got wet and started messing up
My Lube shop customers love them (after the recall fixes), dislike having to put T6 full synthetic in the engines though!
Hi Alex.
Really awesome the MPG. (Yield)
But BIG and expensives issues.
I like the 3.0 l diesel engine and I will hope Stellantis group correct all reasons of failure.
I hope better performance and reliance with the hurricane 3.0 l biturbo {will exists diésel? or is my dream?} 😮
Anyway I hope so much and like me the hurricane project; because I love the vintage design at RAM trucks 😮😊
Thank you Alex; the best analysis at trucks is yours!
Big HUG from CDMX; México. 😲
a local company that brings their fleet vehicles to use to be repaired recently had two ram 3lL eco diesel pickups that both had broken crankshafts.
While probably some what on FCA I am skeptical that when 2 of the vehicles from the same place have the same issue that's its not something they have done rather than manufacturer issue.
WOW, a Holy Grail....S/C....amazing, with a 3.92, this will be perfect for towing.
I have a 2016, love it a lot. It’s been tuned so potentially avoided all the headaches I hear about egr etc.
So far so good, 8 years soon and hope it gives me at least 8 more.
I have a 2014 ecodiesel with 280000 Km on it. It is breathing free! No second hand smoke here. Tuned with a +50 hp tune. I rarely use it to haul a trailer (12000 lb). Which it handles just fine. Mostly it is my sales and customer service truck, so it gets lots of highway miles, as we are a rural company. I will be taking it from Alberta to Phoenix at the end of the week and will get great fuel efficiency, typically 28 miles per US gallon. I am conscious of the crank shaft and bearing issues, so It gets Amsoil Signature series 5 40 and I do not drive it hard. It is very comfortable, does everything if ask of it, and gets the fuel efficiency of a toyota camry, almost. I love this truck!
Hey bro, I just wanted to ask you that I’m in the market on buying a used diesel with 100,000+ miles. What would you recommend?
I have an 08 grand Cherokee with the Mercedes OM642 diesel engine. 440,000 kms and still going strong. No leaks. Doesn’t burn oil. Sounds nice. Everything wrong with the car is a Chrysler part.
Tell me all about bottom-end failure. Mine failed at 75,000 km and had the engine replaced under warranty. I have 55,000 km on the new engine, and so far, it works great. I take good care of the second engine changing the oil between 8-10k. With the first engine, I followed the maintenance schedule by RAM, changing the oil at 16k intervals. That was not nearly often enough. I still like the truck, and I do a forced regen every 6-8k, and so far, it has been trouble-free. Crossing my fingers
MORE FREQUENT OIL CHANGES WOULD BE CHEAP INSURANCE TO MAKE SURE YOU GET AS MUCH OUT OF YOUR TRUCK. 8-10K INTERVALS SEEM A LITTLE STEEP. ASK ANYONE WITH ANY MECHANICAL EXPERIENCE WHAT THEY THINK AND IM SURE THEY AGREE WITH ME.
He’s talking about kilometers. 8000 kilometers is just under 5k miles.
Change oil every 5000 Kms .
I have a 2018 and I absolutely love it! Just rolled 200k almost exclusively highway. Oil changes done religiously every 8000kms. Low idle hours. Still has all of the emission control BS which I am contemplating removing. Still runs as good as new! This truck cannot be exclusively city driven. You must take it on the highway at the very minimum every 800kms. I think a lot of the failures comes from the fact that this truck is simply not meant for the average Joe. It's a truck with a purpose and that purpose is to be highway driven and get good mileage doing so.
Enjoyed the video! I have a 2017 Ecodiesel with 95k on it, probably about 20% of those miles with a 6,500lb travel trailer on it. Still in the original battery and brake pads. Honestly been the most reliable truck I’ve ever owned, but those bottom end failures terrify me😮 I hear it’s about $15-17k to replace the motor!
The bottom end failures are tough to hear about. But I also know a ton people who love their ecodiesels and haven't had any issues like you.
@@TheGettyAdventures I have an 8yr/125k mopar warranty. If the engine doesn’t blow in the next 30k I’m seriously thinking about selling in the next couple of years. I love the truck, but at its age it’s not worth the risk of having to put $15k into it. Looking forward to your Gen III video😊
I'm a former mopar mechanic and I lost count of how many egr coolers I replaced on these. I've replaced the heads and this engine is a pain to work on. You'll need a lot of special tools but its italian so what do you expect. Also they do like to leak oil. Not to mention the epa recall stuff. After flashing the ecu to comply with epa standards, customers almost always complained that it made the performance worse.
@@freefall5xYup, I’ve had two EGR cooler replacements so far. How many engine replacements have you had to do as a Mopar tech?
$15-17K LOL check again, its skyrocketed recently. They don't want these engines on the road so they still have to support them.
Curious about the gen 3. Any info?
My sisters Grand Cherokee V6 Diesel did 220 000 km here in Australia before she had one problem, a sensor failed.
Typical of most of these. Some have had problems but most of them are Bullit Proof
as the rest of the world continues to use 3.0L diesels in various vehicles, it is sad that Ram did not continue and just refine the engine, I own a '15 EcoD 1500 with 110K miles, and a '23 1500 (one of the last ones) and love them both, just daily drives and tow in summer
Bought a new ecodiesel back in 2018. Loved it…..at least until it blew at 30,000 miles. Unfortunately they would not warranty it with the 3rd gen motor. So with the thought it could blow again, we traded it in. Would have loved to give the newest generation a whirl but I had assumed that the EGR had sooted up the mains as you discussed. I can’t see why they ran 11 quarts of oil through such a little filter. If I had it to do over, I would have at least changed the filter every 3000 miles. I ran Amsoil through it and met the oil change requirements. However I would urge no one to go over 6000 miles with this engine.
Yaa it seems like that was a pretty common occurrence. The reason why the oil life intervals are so long is because of how much oil is used. But I agree, these engines are soo sooty and would want to change the oil sooner as well
I love mine good power and performance but as others have said I don't go over 5k on oil change and flush with sea foam from time to time over 130k miles so far would definitely buy another with low miles or good maintenance records
I’ve got a 2014 grand Cherokee eco diesel, with 283k full delete at 160k get around 8L/100km highway we love it, I’ve changed out a faulty glow plug that is it, going this weekend to look at a 2020 ram limited eco diesel, I’m actually worried down the road since they stopped making the eco diesel what will I buy since you can’t beat the gas mileage, a buddy had a 21 hemi that we borrowed for a week and was over disappointed in the gas mileage compared to the eco, when you go from getting 1000km a tank to 600 you notice
The problem with most modern engines is the flimsy, inadequate cooling systems. Also the turbo engines of any kind get cooked oil on engine shutdown. Which clogs the oil passages.
The only thing I don't like on my 2016 Ecodiesel, is the low payload and weak front suspension.
As for the poor acceleration after the PCM reflash. Just use Tow/Haul mode until the engine is warm, or install the Bank's Pedal Monster.
I did install a Bank's iDash. I monitor engine coolant temp, engine oil temp, air density, and DPF %. Never shutdown a hot engine! Cool it down first!
I don't use my Ecodiesel that much anymore. Mainly because of parking issues at places I go. But on a icy, snowy road, I take the Ecodiesel, rather than our Cummins powered beast. That Cummins has unreal power, and the wheels break loose, even with our camper on the back!!!!
You hit the nail right in the center with the Ecodiesel issues. I work on these tucks and replaced a few engines due to rod bearings (makes horrible squealing sound when starting BTW, probably due to lack of lubrication as you mentioned). Also replaced few intake manifolds due to sticking swirl valves, too much gunk build up in there. At around 100k there may be a coolant leak from the damn turbo coolant hose under the intake manifold, that is a lot of fun too. And don't get me started on these stupid magnetic reluctor wheels for the crankshaft sensor that keeps falling apart and then the engine takes a long time to start.
It's a shame really, because I love how these Ecodiesels drive and the MPG is great.
Emissions have ruined the diesels; just traded the Cummins because of the crap hanging off the engine sucking the life out of it.
The list is lengthy on these ecodiesel engines lol but I agree its a shame because when they are running when they are great to drive
@@dukedowns-pe5qs that is why the old pick ups with 5.9 Cummins are so hard to get
The best thing about the Ecodiesel is that it gave us the baby duramax, one of the best engines available for 1/2 tons
Have fun changing the oil belt
It’s a much better design.
My sons Ecodiesel suffered catastrophic engine failure. Great fuel economy which evaporated at the side of the highway as it turned itself into a nightmare.
We have ram 3500s and one eco-diesel the eco-diesel Not too bad now that it’s deleted.
My best friend had so much trouble with his 2018 model he traded it, at a loss, for a Nissan Frontier. By the way his 1500 was dealer serviced ONLY!
Does anyone know the Dodge TSB# for the transmission software upgrade for the 2nd Gen 3L Eco Diesel RAM 1500?
Soot accumulation in intake leads to the dual path intake dampers binding and kills the motor and gears. I the hose under intake that joins two coolant pipes (at least through 16) is not anything more than normal grade 5/8 hose and it splits open and it can run hot. 50 cents extra for a 13:31 5 inch piece of silicone high temp hose was too much? If it has run hot then glow plugs gall and break when removed. Those fail if it overheats and the intake may not come out without removing glow plugs on head as intake hangs up. I'm sure there are lots of these that have given good service for 200k miles but they carry extra risks.
I pulled EGR tube from intake tried to clean it. Was a loss. Dirty mess and swirl valves. Yes we did get the $3,150 payment from Mopar
Have a 2018 Eco diesel. Engine died at 108 000 km. I was on top of all the maintenance, let it warm up, etc. The mechanic put in a new Mopar engine out of the crate. Said he's done a lot of them ( He's a Ram mechanic) and said the 2nd generation engine is junk. Said to get rid of it before the new engine warranty ran out. 3 year/ 160 000km.
My brother in law just unloaded his 2nd gen eco diesel. He spent an ungodly amount of money keeping it road worthy and is very happy to be rid of it.
How much money and for what issues?
@@ALMX5DP I don't really remember a lot of details, but I believe a lot of it was sensors going bad (more than once) and cooling issues. He didn't have to get inside the engine itself as far as I remember. As for the cost - usually his comments were like "There goes another thousand." All this happened over the span of multiple years, so each time he was hoping it would be the last time. Apparently he decided the right opportunity presented itself to be rid of it.
@@thebigguy ouch, yeah probably not so pleasant to have to keep going back time after time to have issues fixed. Definitely dont blame him for getting rid of it after multiple tries to get things to work right. I think for me these modern emissions controlled diesels just dont offer enough benefit over gas engines due to all that kind of stuff.
I had a 2016 eco, I loved it. I personally never had any issues until the reprogram flash and that was only a lag issue. Got rid of it after that.
Maybe I just got lucky.
I need to add that I NEVER TOWED ANYTHING.
I did put a few 2x4s in the bed once and traveled 14 maybe 18 miles, ONCE.
I just did a turbo coolant line change on mine and a premium water pump, post delete. lots of engineering flaws with this truck! Luckily had the line blow in my driveway after maybe 30 seconds ( according to my coolant trail) cost about 3k CAD$. My Ecodiesel has been nothing but great. At 300k I complemented buying new batteries t decided to put the money back into her; not having faith in anything new. Test drove them all and wasn’t impressed. The Ecodiesel with a stage 2 delete and front end alignment components maintained; is solid.
I looked at a 2018 eco diesel in September 2017 after I retired and almost pulled the trigger on buying one but a local dealership had a 2004.5 Dodge Ram 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins with 112,000 mikes I went with the older truck no emission crap and since it was a heavy duty a much more capable truck to pull my travel trailer. So I basically saved $25,000 and have a much better truck.
Purchased 7 of these (2017-2018) for company salesmen to drive. Out of the 7, we lost 5 engines. Thank God they were just barely inside the warranty period. One cut loose with about 700 miles before the expiration time frame.
My wife has a 2023 Toyota Venza hybrid. Have you heard of any problems that they are known to have? Thanks.
LOL WTF, why would you ask that on an FCA ecodiesel video
I had a 2015 Laramie that I traded my 2019 2500 Cummins for. That Laramie almost got me to buy the 3rd Gen Eco before prices went insane.
Don't forget you could also get the V6 diesel in the Grand Cherokee
Very true!
I have 115k on mine and it had been the most reliable vehicle I have owned so far. Absolutely love mine. My neighbor bought one as well and had no issues while he owned it
Sounds like the only trucks with problems are 14-16 and was all addressed before the engine was moved to 3rd gen so am I wrong in assuming trucks built in 18-19 are fine.
3rd gen didn't start until 2020, the 2014-15 were the real problem children, they fixed some stuff in June 2016
Motor Trend vehicle Of the Year = kiss of death.
I drive pilot car, and have been looking to get one of these, but cannot find.
I had a 17 and loved it! Never had a lick of issues done a pile of hwy driving. Sold it when I changed my job and bought a Cummins. Would never go back. Cousin had one and his blew up a week after I sold mine. Made me feel better I sold it
Why would you review the previous generation and not the revised 3rd gen?
Great video.. Heard of all these issues as well. I wonder if GM's 3.0 liter diesel in their half ton trucks is any better??
So far they are known to be a lot more reliable.
I loved this truck until my EGR failed and my engine caught fire. But it was a great tow vehicle.
2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee summit 4x4 EcoDiesel with over 300k miles deleted at 105k miles no problems more reliable then the 2007 Grand Cherokee limited CRD i had
Seems like the quality of vehicles reached their peak around 2015.
I had a '15 ecodiesel once. Although it never failed on me, I felt like I was walking on egg shells (waiting for a failure)and decided to part with it at 60k miles. Mine was tuned and still had the dpf and scr but the tuner shut off the egr to it and must have turned off the nox sensors because I could run pure water instead of def and not get a check engine light! Once it was tuned, my oil stayed clean and I got a regeneration about once every 1000 miles....definitely wouldn't pass any emissions test but it ran good. The recall was the straw that broke the camels back and I collected my $ from Ram and bought a Cummins.
I have a 2016, bought it at 40k that had oil changes every 5k. I deleted had a custom tune done and straight piped it. Currently I have 72k on it and have had no issues, I change the oil and air filter every 5k and fuel filter at 10k. When i tow I keep a eye on temps and haven't had to adjust driving to keep it cool and it does tow well with 5-7k on it. So far so good, also get me 24-26mpg hwy and 16-20 towing.
I never unstood blaming the driver or llack of maintenance since I always am both ...good driver..good maintenance
188k miles on my Ecodiesel, always ran it with CJ4/CK4 oil and kept the oil changes reasonable, I thought 10k interval was laughable when new. Recently pulled my intake off to replace the turbo hose, water pump/stat, replace intake manifold and walnut blast the intake ports, it really wasn't that bad, time consuming. It's very conventional, to me the GM I6 Dmax is unconventional, timing is on the flywheel side of the engine. I might feel differently with the Ecodiesel if I pull the front cover off, small oil leak, maybe fix it maybe not or do any timing chain work.
These could be good to rebuild and swap into older trucks with emissions deleted
What about the 3.0 ford
The Gen3 is significantly better than the Gen2. I have a Gen2 and once the DPF and EGR were removed I never had issues. The Gen3 in stock form seems much more reliable.
If I recall correctly, Ram was supposed to come to an agreement with Cummins to supply a diesel engine to their half ton pickup, but instead Cummins decided to go with Nissan. Behold: the 2016 Titan XD with the 5.0 L abortion! I think production lasted for less than 2 years?