My wife puts 30k miles a year on her 3rd gen and it's been flawless (at 70k now). Had a 2nd gen before that with 150k, no issues at all. Probably because she doesn't tow and just drives a lot of long distances. I'm losing the "pick-up war" in our house because my F150 3.5 ecoboost is needing a 2nd set of cam phasers at 66k miles.
The newest cam phaser (revision 3) design is a permanent fix. Sadly, you likely got version 2 phasers when you had it done the first time. The good news is you might still be covered under warranty. Ford extended the warranty on cam phasers for this reason.
Have 110k on my gen3 general maintenance only. Just do the maintenance and they'll treat you right. I don't even put the right spec oil. 5w40 rotella T6 only.
We have a 2020. Love the truck. Amazing power, ride and milage. It's our 3rd Eco. Not working them hard but haven't had any major issues. Reliability issues aside it's still the best power plant for a half ton truck. IMO.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel (Reg cab, 8ft bed, 4x4) as my daily driver. I got it 4 1/2 years ago with 91,000 miles, and now it has 134,000. It has been to the dealership a number of times for recall stuff and some other crap, luckily, most of it didn't cost me a dime. This most recent time it was at the dealership was for a bad turbo. I really do love the truck, it has enough power to get out of it's own way, it gets some of the best fuel mileage of anything I have ever owned, and it tows well, even through the mountains of Pennsylvania while towing my 1996 Jeep Cherokee.
My son in law has a 2022 Gladiator with the eco diesel with 30,000 mi. , drives 150 mi. a day, so far no problems, gets 28 to 30 mpg driving up to the Eisenhower tunnel on I-70, He does use Hot Shot anti gel at every fillup, because of the CP4 PUMP!
Hot shots have some awesome products. I've been following them on Instagram for several months. I plan on ordering some of the products for gas engines. I have a 2018 JL Wrangler Rubicon. With the 3.6 V6.
Of course not they don't want them to fail during warranty but long term it's bottom end is doomed adding a radius will not fix a to high of a load issue on a bearing
I have a 2nd GEN 2016, love the truck, 170,000 going solid, I do use heavy duty diesel oil (Rotella T6 5W40 ), these 2nd GENs needs to use the same oil as CUMMINS 6.7 use ,and not the original oil that was intended to used with them. So if you own a second gen use any diesel oil with the CK4 detergent spec. I do have a BANKS systems , inline tunner installed , Proved on a DYNO, I gained HP, torque and also my MPG went up by 3mpg, while staying emission compliance. The BANKS systems keeps the engine working cleaner with less regeneration. I do live in FLORIDA, so for me emissions are not need it, my next step will be deleting the truck and re tune, if you live in a emissions compliance state, I will recommend a banks deringer with the pedal monster combo. I forgot to mention my truck its level running 35 inch tires, daily driver, love the truck. I also run every 6000 miles a bottle of diesel extreme from the hotshot secret products, I have noticed that the fuel systems works better since I start using it, the check engine light went away for the DPF and the engine sounds smoother. Im not affiliated with any of the brands I have mentioned, Im just putting out there what have works for me.
The “I Do Cars” tear down channel just disassembled a 2014 Ecodiesel (March 2024) The amount of soot choking the intake tract system was shocking. It had bottom end failure.
Good video, great info. On the topic of EGR, check out John Deere's new 840 HP 9RX. 18 liters of displacement with no DEF, just EGR, fully compliant. I wonder if that's the same goal as the GM 8.4L diesel that is rumored, no more DEF. Looking forward to the next video!
DEF is just plain inconvenient, SCR systems can be unreliable and when they fail they're so expensive you may as well replace the vehicle, and even if they work are honestly completely pointless in rural areas where DEF is sold in plastic jugs rather than at a pump and recycling services are few and far between. Yeah you're taking the petroleum emissions out of the air and putting them in the dirt. Good job, EPA, really saving the environment by creating government mandated plastic waste.
I own a 2015 Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel....spun a bearing last year with only 35,000 miles. My wife used it for commuting to work and like the video explained, we bought it under the impression that it would be great commuter. Only problem was that my wife's commute is only about 4 miles round trip city driving. We bought it brand new, never beat on it and it spun a bearing. Took the dealer 6 months to get a new engine and the total cost with labor was more than the value of it. I'm surprised they didn't make it a total loss. Luckily we bought the extended warranty and it was set to expire in May of 2023. Thing blew up in March 2023. Total price was $31k for everything.
Jerry, I bought a '14 GC new. I thought about the diesel but didn't like the $4000 up charge. Took the 3.6; glad I did. Still running well. Sorry for your troubles.
@@JCT442 yea one of the worst cars I've ever owned. I'm seriously considering doing a delete and actually make it reliable. Not only did it spin a bearing but we were taking it in every couple of months because of emission sensors or some other emissions related item going bad.
your problem is using a diesel for a short commute, you never allowed the engine to properly warm up to operational temperature then putting it under load just for it to get turned off minutes later and that cycle just continues till failure.
I'm at 35k on my 3rd Gen. Love this engine so far. I went up two sizes on tires and kitted the truck out for hunting and other outdoor activities. Still getting 22ish on highway. I'm anal about maintenance so hopefully I continue to have no issues
I have my doubts about Ford widening the crank bearings. The issue they continue to suffer from is crankshafts snapping due to the short length of the crank [it was designed by Peugeot to fit in front wheel drive saloons] which meant there was very little metal fillet between the bearings. They sheared up these thin fillets between bearings. Wider bearings would surely mean even less metal in critical areas of the crank.
My 2017 has 132,000 km with the second engine. The first one failed at 75,000 km but I still like the truck. I change my oil often (every 8-10,000 km), which is good insurance. The fuel pump failed at 85,000 km, and there is a recall on the fuel pump now. Mine it was all replaced under warranty. I saw a video a few months back of a Land Rover diesel engine (the same as Ford is using) bottom-end failure similar to the ECO Diesels. That makes sense now that they share similarities.
The third GE eco-diesel is the best engine I’ve ever had in my life. Not only in terms of refinement, but MPG. You need to be proactive and knowledgeable if you want to keep them going without any problems. There are guys that have 700,000 miles on the original engine Gen 2 but they’re very very very proactive with repairs and matiances using the RIGHT products and install procedures. Do your research and be knowledgeable or your DOOMED. Join the right groups join the right forms and you could be one of those guys to enter diesel Eco Paradise, that dreams only made of. Canada is a huge diesel killing country. Too cold and people don’t know what to do and create too much soot. The fuel pump failures were on also EVERY make that used the same pump like GM or Ford all of them. They failed because of air and lubricity. Learn how to prevent the failure and you’ll have a pump that will last longer than your heart will. Don’t buy diesel unless you’re ready to go all the way with it.
You have got my attention...is there a year of Eco diesel that would be better than another? What proactive tips are you referring to and how many are there? What form do you rehomed, I in Canada.
@@toddbrown2588 They say the best is the Gen 3 engine which came out in 2020. They did do some minor update in 2021 so I ideally the 2022-2023 but any Gen 3 is going to be the best. I know a guy with a 2017 with over 500k miles on his Gen 2 original engine. You need lubricity additive and fuel system additive. There are many and people the best is to test and see which one gives you the best MPG. Redline 85+ is one, Hotshots EDT, Archoil makes one, Diesel Klean. Pittsburg Power. The ram1500 forums is very good and facebook group ecodiesel for the differently enabled. There is much more but you need to start somewhere.
2022 with 30k mi it’s been great, still waiting on a fuel pump. Drive between Ca and Utah a bunch and get 28mpg, hopefully it holds together and the halving of the maintenance schedule helps
My 2014 Jeep GC Eco has been a nightmare. Did all the maintenance way before required and never abused it, but it died catastrophically at 64K miles. It had already had two front main seal failures and had just come out of the dealer for the EGR cooler recall which nearly caused it to catch on fire (intake, injector tubes and a valve cover were all partially melted). To date, my extended warranty has paid $22,000 in repairs and I still have 6 months to go. My new engine with 25K miles just had the timing cover seal replaced due to a leak and is still using a quart of oil every 500 miles, dealer can't find any issues. Getting rid of it before the warranty runs out. I am very intrigued by the new Rams with the electric drive and gas generator or the new twin turbo inline 6, but knowing how bad they botched the Eco and how long it took them to improve the design flaws (not eliminate, but improve), I wouldn't touch one. Not sure what to buy next, Toyota is the only one I'd trust to stand behind any issues at this point, but their vehicles are boring.
This is the conundrum. They ALL have issues anymore. All you can do is pick which issues you feel like dealing with. Reliability over the past 10-20 years has went to nearly zero across the board.
@@johnk6206 Yes for sure. The combination with MBAs and venture capital only being interested in short term gains and outsourcing parts to hundreds of lowest bidders, with a touch of planned obsolescence makes for disposable vehicles. They are designed to be leased for 3 years and then dumped onto the used market where they will deteriorate and be mechanically totaled within a decade, or less. So many things have improved in cars but then they cut corners on things and ruin it.
aregeebee201 Yes they are great vehicles. GM and Ford used to make them last too but sadly they have gone down hill too. It's too bad as the American and European cars are more appealing to me in many ways, but they are designed to fall apart soon after the warranty runs out. I don't want to have to replace a car every few years.
Thanks for the excellent review. Got to wonder why Ford doesn’t recall every 6.7 Powerstroke from 2011 to date as they continue to use a CP4? Tells me a lot about that company….
I just watched I Do Cars tear down an Eco Diesel. The EGR recirculation had filled up the inlet manifold with carbon. By some tremendous luck and a lot of steady driving, and an inlet manifold replacement under warranty, I've made it nearly to 222k. But I wouldn't have another diesel. I bought it because I lived in the west and spent time in the Sierras and Nevada, much of which is higher than everything, including Mt Washington, east of the Rockies. But now I live near sea level and don't tow much.
Make sense those higher elevations kill N/A engines. A turbo charged diesel would be great up there. Seems like you've gotten some good life out of it at least!
EPA is the bigger issue. They had the firmware and failed to do their job. Suddenly later, it was a problem. When removing the smog crap, the GC Diesel did over 40MPG.
Great review and a great channel. I’m curious as the reviewer owns a large diesel shop, works on all the big rigs and does excellent reviews of the consumer diesel trucks. But also, he drives a PowerWagon, which I believe is running a Hemi in it. A beast of an off road capable truck, but I wonder if the choice in a gasser for a personal truck is because he absolutely doesn’t want to do diesel work on his personal vehicles after working on them all day or was it just that the PowerWagon didn’t offer a Cummins in that truck?
Thank you sir! But ya its a bit of both. Loved the powerwagon platform and they just don't offer the cummins. But I wouldn't buy a diesel engine in a pick up unless I really needed the power. The headaches and costs are just becoming too much.
@TheGettyAdventures Much the same for me here, ie, drive a half-ton gasser (F-150 Powerboost) as I am not hauling heavy, heavy trailer loads and can't justify the cost of an oil-burner new. The high maintenance costs and likely expensive emission problems has made it a no-go for me as well.
In my experience, I have had zero issues. I have a '22 Ram 1500 rebel with the ecodiesel. I have put 98k miles on it. I got the GDE tune at around 20k miles. I drive it like a diesel though, lots of highway miles. I love the 3rd gen review on a 2nd gen truck. haha
GREAT Analysis! 🔎👏😂 I just brought a 2023 RAM 1500 [3 Gen] EcoDiesel, FULLY decked out [Limited] (a retirement “present” 🎁) - and I LOVE😻❤ it (so far).👍👍👍 (PS/BTW - I had to literally “Wait” for my truck, because they [Stellantis] had a Whopping ONE ☝️ YEAR “Freeze” 🥶❄️[and waiting period] to get a MAJOR Warranty Recall [a Fuel pump] done/installed, before 1500 diesel sales could resume - which was, for me, February 2024).👍 But I felt I really HAD to get a Diesel because I had to do some HEAVY-Duty towing (which Diesel obviously does Better with).👍 I heard👂 about all the “Horror” stories about the Gen 1 and 2’s. Supposedly, as stated, they [Gen 3’s] had over 80% new parts installed (over and upgraded, from the prior #1 and #2 Gen) - so I felt better going with (waiting for) the Gen 3 (2023 truck). As of today (Dec 2024), I just reached 6,000 and have already done TWO oil changes (with the Famed Amsoil). I know it may be a bit “overboard” but Oil is MUCH CHEAPER than a blown engine. (I’ll go with the “standard” oil interval [over every 10K] now that the engine is now technically “Broken-In” - even though Amsoil says that one should be able to go at 15k). I’m also even considering the “UnThinkable” (a Delete🔪😱) if I have any obvious/blatant Over-soot issues - which supposedly starts happening [most say] at or over 80k (plus, I’m in a state that doesn’t do smog test, so I should be OK 👌). For the the $70 grand💵💰 I paid for this, I’d rather risk dealing with the Law, than to have my truck “blow up” 🧨 on me. Thanks again for the informative video 👍
Don't listen to this guy.... I'm a chrysler tech at a dealership with 25 techs who does 75-100 appointments a day. I also have worked on every single eco that has gone through that dealership since they cam out in 2014 until now. I've worked on like literally 4 or so 3rd generation ecodiesels....the earlier ones quite a bit but 2020 and on virtually 0 issues 👍
Low oil pressure is one of the main causes of failure. If you drop the oil pan, you will most likely find the pickup tube clogged with soot. Pull the pan and clean it every other oil change and you will greatly reduce the likelihood of failure.
Good reviews, both the 2nd and 3rd gen EcoDs. My 2021 Rebel EcoD has 24k mi, no issues, twice the mpg of my previous Tundra, about 26mpg mostly freeway. Alot of chatter in the 3rd gen EcoD forums around the CP4 design issue/recall. Doesn't seem to be a lot of bottom end chatter. You didn't mention this, but I believe driving patterns play a role in diesel longevity. Diesels, with all the EPA clutter, generally seem better suited for longer, freeway type driving patterns vs shorter around town stop and go patterns. I do oil/filter changes at 5K (vs 10K factory spec) intervals. With Chrysler spec MS-12991 Pennzoil. Also use a little Hot Shot EDT at every gas station visit. One dealer visit, for the CP4 recall. I love this truck.
Rotella T6 is NOT the correct oil for the 3rd Gen motor and does not meet spec. If you have an extended warranty and they find out you're using T6, they will probably reject any free repairs associated with the engine. Some dealers have been caught using T6 in the 3rd gens and they have been scolded for doing so. Factory fill is full synthetic Pennzoil Euro. Rotella is garbage and oil analysis from many ecodiesel owners supports that. You've been lucky to be honest.
Better off doing a stage 1 delete (EGR cooler and diffuser pipe) will solve 95% of the problems. Those 3.0 duramax engines have a ready dumb rubber/kevlar belt to run the oil pump. And you must pull the transmission to change it.
Who cares about the oil pump belt. You’re going to be putting a transmission around 150-200k anyway. So until you don’t have any oil pressure or transmission is slipping. It’ll work out.
I have a 2020 Ram Ecodiesel. I have 118k miles on it and so far . It’s been great. I have noticed it the last 10k or so the truck does a regen every 500 to 750 miles. Before that it never happened. I still have 3 years to pay that truck off. Keeping my fingers crossed it survives. I guess only time will tell.
Was thinking of buying a RAM 2500 with the Cummins engine, but the price was making me hesitate and I really didn't need a 3/4 ton. I only tow a 2600 lbs. boat on a dual axle trailer. Once the RAM gate issue broke, I moved on from a diesel and went with the NA 5.6 Titan XD. To me a truck is like a Timex, it should take a licking and keep on ticking. I don't think these twin turbo offerings and emissions choked diesel fit that bill.
On my 2019 Ram 1500 classic ecodiesel have 131k, brakes still going strong, fuel pump recall replaced, but at 92k had to change EGR cooler (previous EGR before I bought truck was recalled and replaced) and CR converter due to failure but Ram did cover half the costs of those 2, hopefully the attorneys I hired specializing in this can work something out with Stellantis since the EGRs aren’t good and a current recall of the crankshaft which the part isn’t available.
Bought a 2018 Ecodiesel new with my severance after 30yr service in CAF. Beautiful truck, Limited edition with most options including Rambox. Well maintained and driven. Expected to last a long time and reassured by dealership that earlier model issues had been resolved. Wrong, last week the bottom end went and truck is essentially worthless. Considering a new motor for it but would be worried new motor would fail again. POS motor, run away.
Definitely 2nd generation which they had high hopes On but failed. I wonder if the 3rd generation will hold up over time. I’ve seen a few 80k+ still running strong.
I have a 2020 1500 eco diesel my def pump went out within 10k miles but was under warranty there was a recall on the fuel pump that was taken care off honestly i havnt had really any other issues on the engine
GM half ton diesel engines have a rubber belt driving the oil pump and it sits at the back of the engine right? You would have to separate engine and transmission to get to it right? That doesn't sound like an inexpensive thing to do. Oil and rubber don't mix well either. So how long will that belt be reliable?
I’ve been wavering between getting one of these small diesel pickups or a tried and true Toyota Tundra with the 5.7. After watching this video when a low mileage eco-diesel came up for sale I think I will continue searching for a nice low mileage Tundra instead. I’ve owned two diesel passenger cars (Jetta TDI and BMW 328d) and loved the fuel efficiency, but the complexity of the modern diesel engine makes it a hard pill to swallow for a long term ownership plan.
I think the ecodiesel would be a better pairing for the eamcharger than the 3.6 pentastar engine. You could easily mate a bigger generator to the output shaft and run it at the single most fuel efficient rpm. Then you wouldn't have to worry about a lot of the emissions and exhaust issues that plaque modern diesel engines.
What half ton pick up truck u should choose( MPG is priority and reliability ) I’m pilot truck driver and put about 90k miles a year. ( emission equipment will be deleted)
can you make a video comparing the 3rd gen RAM ecodiesel and the 3L chevy Duramax? im torn between the two. im a fan of ram but everyone seems to like the "baby D" better. Just wanna hear your comparison. videos are awesome, Keep it up!!
Hello my friend I have a question I’m on the fence between a ram 1500 2022 diesel or gmc sierra 2022 diesel ? Can you please give me an advice or anyone here on the channel thanks
I had a 2015 ecodiesel, and at 160k a $50 coolant line blew. Because of the location the cab had to be pulled off resulting in a $4700 repair bill. Compare and contrast to my 1998 12v Cummins that never gave me a lick of trouble and I sold at 420k. I'll never buy a small diesel again. They are poorly made and make no economic sense
22 limited 3rd gen not one issue except the oil change price that I do myself they put a new design fuel pump on last year no problems full tank takes me from st. Louis to mobile al with a half of a 1/4 of diesel left at 75 to 80 mph solid ass engine far as I’m concerned
@@codystephenson410 make sure it meets spec, what ever oil you use ( MS-12991 spec and API SP) and dont forget the Eco diesel engines are European. With that said I pretty sure I read some where that Ram recommends Platinum EURO FULL SYNTHETIC
Very interesting, I had 1st gen ram diesel and it wasnt bad up to 80k but when it started I sold it. What can you say about Nissan 5.6l 2016 and up to now?
I was just interested in comparing this to the GM diesel which I don't like the idea of an oil pump belt I also heard that they have fuel pump issues. But I appreciate and honest opinion
3.0 duramax has the dumb cam drive wet belt in the rear. And both people I know with them have had leak issues one was front and rear crank seals other was a oil line for the turbo they replaced it under warranty but cab has to come off. If ford, honda and Toyota all failed at wet cam belts I doubt gm using the same kevar belt with more load will live a long life. Will probably do 150k miles or 6-7 years what ever comes first as the rubber breaks down over time
@@DerpymechI mean electric vehicles probably will be more reliable at some point. Electric motors are simple and actually very easy to rebuild when needed. The main issue we are having right now is battery issues but I’m sure that will work out in time. Tons of heavy machinery is actually an electric drivetrain with a smallish battery and a diesel generator. Trains are often like this and there’s some big mining trucks and stuff that’s the same.
If you're hooked on diesel torque, you won't be disappointed with an ecoboost f150. They even tow like diesels. I bought my 2019 3.5 ecoboost f150 new after owning 4 diesel pickups. Other than the sound, I don't miss having a diesel truck, even when towing.
@@Derpymechthe big three still make a good gas V8. Granted, GM puts cylinder deactivation in theirs which can brick the engine before 150k miles if you're unlucky. Delete the bastard so they're more like the third gen LS engines and they'll run for 300k miles or more. The problem with diesels is the emissions, which isn't hitting gas engines quite as hard, YET. Eventually, you will be right. For the time being, however, they're holding on.
@johnflack2307...........5W-40 and 15W-40 are both the same VISCOSITY at the operating temperature. The 5W-40 is a bit less VISCOUS than the 15W-40, The 5W and 15W VISCOSITIES are measured at 40c Where the 40 Grade is measured at 100 c , but are measured with different test methods.
No, don't do it. At lower temperatures (when the engine is warming up) will cause the oil to move too slowly in between the rod and main bearings causing metal to metal contact, potentially causing premature bearing failure
I drove a 22 ecodiesel when it had just got delivered to the dealer. Me and my wife were the first people to take this truck out on the road. It was the worst drive I have had in a truck. The thing was all or literally nothing. I tried to pull out on the road and the truck jumped and then fell on its face. I just matted it cause traffic was coming quick. Scared the shit out of me. Got on side roads to try and figure out what the truck wanted and it was just bad. Hated it and took it right back. Not sure if something was wrong with that truck or what.
You probably forgot to turn the e-brake off. I owned a 22 ecodiesel and it was the best driving truck out there. Drives better than the duramax, smoother power delivery. Sad I needed to trade it to get a crew cab and they got rid of it for 23
Just don’t know why people spend money in over complicated trucks. You ain’t towing anything, you don’t drive it enough to benefit from the mpg and what it cost to buy and then repair you just getting set up for failure
Diesel. Had to delete it because of emissions troubles. Had good power but the fuel mileage sucked 16-18 mpg Canadian. 22 at best. Had to replace transfer case (on warranty) . Couldn’t fix. Disposable Very light. Could hold it in one hand. Had to keep replacing Parking sensors that got dinged by gravel stones. A pavement Princess. Not a work truck
The diesel does not produce max torque "twice as quick" as the turbo max as it takes much longer to rev. I don't like either motor so I'm not saying that because I have a favorite. The diesel junks itself with soot and carbon and no matter what they say a four cylinder is gonna wear out quickly in a full size truck. Especially one that works for a living.
From what I have seen I don’t think the power stroke 3.0 got much different bearing from the original lion TDV6. I think they did a different coating but that’s all I could find. I have seen a few images of TDV6 2.7L and 3.0 powerstroke bearings side by side and they look the same, besides the colour. Were you referring to the bearings width being changed to 20mm vs 16mm?
It's hard to label anything a design flaw when Stellantis would have been well aware of the issues but not bother to fix it. The fact Ford found it necessary to upgrade the main bearings should most definitely have been a red flag. But ultimately Stellantis and VM Motori are brands synonyms with producing garbage, so it's no real surprise they didn't bother.
Ford doesn't fix they're problems the just pass the buck to the customer look at they're cp4 grenading it's been a pile of shit since day 1 but they always claim fuel contamination
Nice video cutie! Don’t these engine manufacturers stress test and beat the crap out of these engines prototypes before releasing them to the public and going into full production? One would think they’d address common issues beforehand but I guess I’m in lala-land.
I mean yes they probably have lots of testing but its very hard to really know the full limitations until its been in the real world in the hands of real people
The Chevy straight 6 in my opinion is not a better engine. Manufacturer recommends you change the timing belt not chain, every 100,000 miles. That requires you to drop the transmission if you want to change the belt. Also the water pump and radiator belt are on the backside of the engine. Up against the firewall. Not easy access for maintenance...
We have the 2nd gen in our 2017 Ram and have had all the recalls done. I do my own maintenance using only Royal Purple products except for the tranny and transfer case, which has to use the OEM fluids that only Chrysler sells. We have 79 k miles on it. No problems .
My wife puts 30k miles a year on her 3rd gen and it's been flawless (at 70k now). Had a 2nd gen before that with 150k, no issues at all. Probably because she doesn't tow and just drives a lot of long distances. I'm losing the "pick-up war" in our house because my F150 3.5 ecoboost is needing a 2nd set of cam phasers at 66k miles.
The newest cam phaser (revision 3) design is a permanent fix. Sadly, you likely got version 2 phasers when you had it done the first time.
The good news is you might still be covered under warranty. Ford extended the warranty on cam phasers for this reason.
And could the cam phaser issue be due in part to extended oil change intervals?
Have 110k on my gen3 general maintenance only. Just do the maintenance and they'll treat you right. I don't even put the right spec oil. 5w40 rotella T6 only.
We have a 2020. Love the truck. Amazing power, ride and milage. It's our 3rd Eco. Not working them hard but haven't had any major issues. Reliability issues aside it's still the best power plant for a half ton truck. IMO.
Better than the small duramax? I’m not crazy about either but the duramax is well liked
Delete the emissions on the truck, throw a tune on it and change the oil a lot. That’s all you need
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel (Reg cab, 8ft bed, 4x4) as my daily driver. I got it 4 1/2 years ago with 91,000 miles, and now it has 134,000. It has been to the dealership a number of times for recall stuff and some other crap, luckily, most of it didn't cost me a dime. This most recent time it was at the dealership was for a bad turbo. I really do love the truck, it has enough power to get out of it's own way, it gets some of the best fuel mileage of anything I have ever owned, and it tows well, even through the mountains of Pennsylvania while towing my 1996 Jeep Cherokee.
My son in law has a 2022 Gladiator with the eco diesel with 30,000 mi. , drives 150 mi. a day, so far no problems, gets 28 to 30 mpg driving up to the Eisenhower tunnel on I-70, He does use Hot Shot anti gel at every fillup, because of the CP4 PUMP!
Hot shots have some awesome products. I've been following them on Instagram for several months. I plan on ordering some of the products for gas engines. I have a 2018 JL Wrangler Rubicon. With the 3.6 V6.
I'm at 40K with my EcoD Gladiator, with noooo issues, but I do all my own maintenance(engine oil, trans fluid, etc etc etc). Love mine.
Of course not they don't want them to fail during warranty but long term it's bottom end is doomed adding a radius will not fix a to high of a load issue on a bearing
@@mddunlap03how long will they last
How much is the maintenance?
I have a 2nd GEN 2016, love the truck, 170,000 going solid, I do use heavy duty diesel oil (Rotella T6 5W40 ), these 2nd GENs needs to use the same oil as CUMMINS 6.7 use ,and not the original oil that was intended to used with them. So if you own a second gen use any diesel oil with the CK4 detergent spec. I do have a BANKS systems , inline tunner installed , Proved on a DYNO, I gained HP, torque and also my MPG went up by 3mpg, while staying emission compliance. The BANKS systems keeps the engine working cleaner with less regeneration. I do live in FLORIDA, so for me emissions are not need it, my next step will be deleting the truck and re tune, if you live in a emissions compliance state, I will recommend a banks deringer with the pedal monster combo. I forgot to mention my truck its level running 35 inch tires, daily driver, love the truck. I also run every 6000 miles a bottle of diesel extreme from the
hotshot secret products, I have noticed that the fuel systems works better since I start using it, the check engine light went away for the DPF and the engine sounds smoother. Im not affiliated with any of the brands I have mentioned, Im just putting
out there what have works for me.
The “I Do Cars” tear down channel just disassembled a 2014 Ecodiesel (March 2024) The amount of soot choking the intake tract system was shocking. It had bottom end failure.
Honestly not surprised, those earlier Ecodiesels were stuffing so much EGR gas into them
My 2017 RAM Ecodiesel has 136,000 miles and ZERO issues. Oil/filter, front brakes, air and fuel filters. Thats it.
Good video, great info. On the topic of EGR, check out John Deere's new 840 HP 9RX. 18 liters of displacement with no DEF, just EGR, fully compliant. I wonder if that's the same goal as the GM 8.4L diesel that is rumored, no more DEF. Looking forward to the next video!
Could very well be. I think manufacturers are starting to think outside the box because the current systems are just not reliable.
DEF is just plain inconvenient, SCR systems can be unreliable and when they fail they're so expensive you may as well replace the vehicle, and even if they work are honestly completely pointless in rural areas where DEF is sold in plastic jugs rather than at a pump and recycling services are few and far between. Yeah you're taking the petroleum emissions out of the air and putting them in the dirt. Good job, EPA, really saving the environment by creating government mandated plastic waste.
Wow great recommendation. Gotta check that out
I own a 2015 Grand Cherokee EcoDiesel....spun a bearing last year with only 35,000 miles. My wife used it for commuting to work and like the video explained, we bought it under the impression that it would be great commuter. Only problem was that my wife's commute is only about 4 miles round trip city driving. We bought it brand new, never beat on it and it spun a bearing. Took the dealer 6 months to get a new engine and the total cost with labor was more than the value of it. I'm surprised they didn't make it a total loss. Luckily we bought the extended warranty and it was set to expire in May of 2023. Thing blew up in March 2023. Total price was $31k for everything.
Jerry, I bought a '14 GC new. I thought about the diesel but didn't like the $4000 up charge. Took the 3.6; glad I did. Still running well. Sorry for your troubles.
@@JCT442 yea one of the worst cars I've ever owned. I'm seriously considering doing a delete and actually make it reliable. Not only did it spin a bearing but we were taking it in every couple of months because of emission sensors or some other emissions related item going bad.
your problem is using a diesel for a short commute, you never allowed the engine to properly warm up to operational temperature then putting it under load just for it to get turned off minutes later and that cycle just continues till failure.
I'm at 35k on my 3rd Gen. Love this engine so far. I went up two sizes on tires and kitted the truck out for hunting and other outdoor activities. Still getting 22ish on highway. I'm anal about maintenance so hopefully I continue to have no issues
You can get 22hwy on the hemi
@@joseeduardo4327 no you can't. At least not with the tires I have with a 3.92 rear and the weight I carry. Not even close.
get all the emissions crap off the truck...it will last forever. I've got a 3500 Zero emissions on it and never have a problem
@@StevelsCamping unfortunately I live in a communist state so can't.
Look up non resident vehicle registration in South Dakota. Anyone can register through this pretty libertarian state. @ericjarvis3051
I have my doubts about Ford widening the crank bearings. The issue they continue to suffer from is crankshafts snapping due to the short length of the crank [it was designed by Peugeot to fit in front wheel drive saloons] which meant there was very little metal fillet between the bearings. They sheared up these thin fillets between bearings. Wider bearings would surely mean even less metal in critical areas of the crank.
My 2017 has 132,000 km with the second engine. The first one failed at 75,000 km but I still like the truck. I change my oil often (every 8-10,000 km), which is good insurance. The fuel pump failed at 85,000 km, and there is a recall on the fuel pump now. Mine it was all replaced under warranty.
I saw a video a few months back of a Land Rover diesel engine (the same as Ford is using) bottom-end failure similar to the ECO Diesels. That makes sense now that they share similarities.
Wow those are some long intervals! On my 3.0 Duramax I change every 5K miles.
@@edwardpate6128 I changed my post to clarify that I'm talking in km. I'm in Canada so a 5k miles oil change is about the same for me at 8k km
The third GE eco-diesel is the best engine I’ve ever had in my life. Not only in terms of refinement, but MPG. You need to be proactive and knowledgeable if you want to keep them going without any problems. There are guys that have 700,000 miles on the original engine Gen 2 but they’re very very very proactive with repairs and matiances using the RIGHT products and install procedures. Do your research and be knowledgeable or your DOOMED. Join the right groups join the right forms and you could be one of those guys to enter diesel Eco Paradise, that dreams only made of. Canada is a huge diesel killing country. Too cold and people don’t know what to do and create too much soot. The fuel pump failures were on also EVERY make that used the same pump like GM or Ford all of them. They failed because of air and lubricity. Learn how to prevent the failure and you’ll have a pump that will last longer than your heart will. Don’t buy diesel unless you’re ready to go all the way with it.
You have got my attention...is there a year of Eco diesel that would be better than another? What proactive tips are you referring to and how many are there? What form do you rehomed, I in Canada.
@@toddbrown2588 They say the best is the Gen 3 engine which came out in 2020. They did do some minor update in 2021 so I ideally the 2022-2023 but any Gen 3 is going to be the best. I know a guy with a 2017 with over 500k miles on his Gen 2 original engine. You need lubricity additive and fuel system additive. There are many and people the best is to test and see which one gives you the best MPG. Redline 85+ is one, Hotshots EDT, Archoil makes one, Diesel Klean. Pittsburg Power. The ram1500 forums is very good and facebook group ecodiesel for the differently enabled. There is much more but you need to start somewhere.
Similar questions. Any specific youtubers or forums to recommend?
Similar questions. Any specific youtubers or forums to recommend?
@@CL-gn8lt Gladiator Forums is good and Ram1500 as well. The Facebook ecodiesel differently enabled. I can't post links with this leftwing shittube.
2022 with 30k mi it’s been great, still waiting on a fuel pump. Drive between Ca and Utah a bunch and get 28mpg, hopefully it holds together and the halving of the maintenance schedule helps
I have a 3rd gen and it has been flawless for 80k miles.
I have a 2022 Ram Ecodiesel Longhorn with 75K troubke free miles. Tows great too, awesome fuel economy and TORQUE.
My 2014 Jeep GC Eco has been a nightmare. Did all the maintenance way before required and never abused it, but it died catastrophically at 64K miles. It had already had two front main seal failures and had just come out of the dealer for the EGR cooler recall which nearly caused it to catch on fire (intake, injector tubes and a valve cover were all partially melted). To date, my extended warranty has paid $22,000 in repairs and I still have 6 months to go. My new engine with 25K miles just had the timing cover seal replaced due to a leak and is still using a quart of oil every 500 miles, dealer can't find any issues. Getting rid of it before the warranty runs out. I am very intrigued by the new Rams with the electric drive and gas generator or the new twin turbo inline 6, but knowing how bad they botched the Eco and how long it took them to improve the design flaws (not eliminate, but improve), I wouldn't touch one. Not sure what to buy next, Toyota is the only one I'd trust to stand behind any issues at this point, but their vehicles are boring.
This is the conundrum. They ALL have issues anymore. All you can do is pick which issues you feel like dealing with. Reliability over the past 10-20 years has went to nearly zero across the board.
@@johnk6206 Yes for sure. The combination with MBAs and venture capital only being interested in short term gains and outsourcing parts to hundreds of lowest bidders, with a touch of planned obsolescence makes for disposable vehicles. They are designed to be leased for 3 years and then dumped onto the used market where they will deteriorate and be mechanically totaled within a decade, or less. So many things have improved in cars but then they cut corners on things and ruin it.
aregeebee201 Yes they are great vehicles. GM and Ford used to make them last too but sadly they have gone down hill too. It's too bad as the American and European cars are more appealing to me in many ways, but they are designed to fall apart soon after the warranty runs out. I don't want to have to replace a car every few years.
Thanks for the excellent review. Got to wonder why Ford doesn’t recall every 6.7 Powerstroke from 2011 to date as they continue to use a CP4? Tells me a lot about that company….
I just watched I Do Cars tear down an Eco Diesel. The EGR recirculation had filled up the inlet manifold with carbon. By some tremendous luck and a lot of steady driving, and an inlet manifold replacement under warranty, I've made it nearly to 222k. But I wouldn't have another diesel. I bought it because I lived in the west and spent time in the Sierras and Nevada, much of which is higher than everything, including Mt Washington, east of the Rockies. But now I live near sea level and don't tow much.
Make sense those higher elevations kill N/A engines. A turbo charged diesel would be great up there. Seems like you've gotten some good life out of it at least!
EPA is the bigger issue. They had the firmware and failed to do their job. Suddenly later, it was a problem. When removing the smog crap, the GC Diesel did over 40MPG.
Great review and a great channel. I’m curious as the reviewer owns a large diesel shop, works on all the big rigs and does excellent reviews of the consumer diesel trucks. But also, he drives a PowerWagon, which I believe is running a Hemi in it. A beast of an off road capable truck, but I wonder if the choice in a gasser for a personal truck is because he absolutely doesn’t want to do diesel work on his personal vehicles after working on them all day or was it just that the PowerWagon didn’t offer a Cummins in that truck?
Thank you sir! But ya its a bit of both. Loved the powerwagon platform and they just don't offer the cummins. But I wouldn't buy a diesel engine in a pick up unless I really needed the power. The headaches and costs are just becoming too much.
@TheGettyAdventures Much the same for me here, ie, drive a half-ton gasser (F-150 Powerboost) as I am not hauling heavy, heavy trailer loads and can't justify the cost of an oil-burner new. The high maintenance costs and likely expensive emission problems has made it a no-go for me as well.
Why the hate ? Loving my 3rd gen solid engine , maybe you should buy one to really give a good review
How is it working???? Thinking in buying one
In my experience, I have had zero issues. I have a '22 Ram 1500 rebel with the ecodiesel. I have put 98k miles on it. I got the GDE tune at around 20k miles.
I drive it like a diesel though, lots of highway miles.
I love the 3rd gen review on a 2nd gen truck. haha
GREAT Analysis! 🔎👏😂
I just brought a 2023 RAM 1500 [3 Gen] EcoDiesel, FULLY decked out [Limited] (a retirement “present” 🎁) - and I LOVE😻❤ it (so far).👍👍👍
(PS/BTW - I had to literally “Wait” for my truck, because they [Stellantis] had a Whopping ONE ☝️ YEAR “Freeze” 🥶❄️[and waiting period] to get a MAJOR Warranty Recall [a Fuel pump] done/installed, before 1500 diesel sales could resume - which was, for me, February 2024).👍
But I felt I really HAD to get a Diesel because I had to do some HEAVY-Duty towing (which Diesel obviously does Better with).👍
I heard👂 about all the “Horror” stories about the Gen 1 and 2’s.
Supposedly, as stated, they [Gen 3’s] had over 80% new parts installed (over and upgraded, from the prior #1 and #2 Gen) - so I felt better going with (waiting for) the Gen 3 (2023 truck).
As of today (Dec 2024), I just reached 6,000 and have already done TWO oil changes (with the Famed Amsoil). I know it may be a bit “overboard” but Oil is MUCH CHEAPER than a blown engine.
(I’ll go with the “standard” oil interval [over every 10K] now that the engine is now technically “Broken-In” - even though Amsoil says that one should be able to go at 15k).
I’m also even considering the “UnThinkable” (a Delete🔪😱) if I have any obvious/blatant Over-soot issues - which supposedly starts happening [most say] at or over 80k (plus, I’m in a state that doesn’t do smog test, so I should be OK 👌).
For the the $70 grand💵💰 I paid for this, I’d rather risk dealing with the Law, than to have my truck “blow up” 🧨 on me.
Thanks again for the informative video 👍
Don't listen to this guy.... I'm a chrysler tech at a dealership with 25 techs who does 75-100 appointments a day. I also have worked on every single eco that has gone through that dealership since they cam out in 2014 until now. I've worked on like literally 4 or so 3rd generation ecodiesels....the earlier ones quite a bit but 2020 and on virtually 0 issues 👍
I have the opportunity to be a 2021 limited with low miles, 31k miles for 40k you are confident they are reliable?
Been waiting all week for this video...😂
Holy hell! These things are the gift that keeps on giving. This is the kind of novelty engineering that will send an owner to buy a competitor.
Low oil pressure is one of the main causes of failure. If you drop the oil pan, you will most likely find the pickup tube clogged with soot. Pull the pan and clean it every other oil change and you will greatly reduce the likelihood of failure.
Your saying I have to pull the pan every other oil change to keep from having issues. Seems like a lot of time.
Ban the EPA, get a tune and an EGR delete kit on that engine.
Have you seen the fass egr filter? Interested to see what you think. Nobody is really talking about it
I have not! I'll take a look
I got 3rd Gen 2020 138 k no issues been solid truck.
Same 110k here no additives. Just general maintenance
What oil do you recommend? I just bought a 2022.
@@codystephenson410 Amsoil SAE 5W-40 European 100% synthetic
hello my 2015 ram 1500 3.0 ecodiesel engine sized do i can install 2021 3.0 ecodiesel to 2015 ram 1500 body
Good reviews, both the 2nd and 3rd gen EcoDs. My 2021 Rebel EcoD has 24k mi, no issues, twice the mpg of my previous Tundra, about 26mpg mostly freeway. Alot of chatter in the 3rd gen EcoD forums around the CP4 design issue/recall. Doesn't seem to be a lot of bottom end chatter. You didn't mention this, but I believe driving patterns play a role in diesel longevity. Diesels, with all the EPA clutter, generally seem better suited for longer, freeway type driving patterns vs shorter around town stop and go patterns. I do oil/filter changes at 5K (vs 10K factory spec) intervals. With Chrysler spec MS-12991 Pennzoil. Also use a little Hot Shot EDT at every gas station visit. One dealer visit, for the CP4 recall. I love this truck.
I just rolled 170k on my 2020 ecodiesel, it's still all original with nothing but Rotella T-6 and truck stop DEF.
Rotella T6 is NOT the correct oil for the 3rd Gen motor and does not meet spec. If you have an extended warranty and they find out you're using T6, they will probably reject any free repairs associated with the engine. Some dealers have been caught using T6 in the 3rd gens and they have been scolded for doing so. Factory fill is full synthetic Pennzoil Euro. Rotella is garbage and oil analysis from many ecodiesel owners supports that. You've been lucky to be honest.
Ya if I had this engine I'd be running T6 as well
Why are you recommending an oil that does not meet spec? T6 will void his warranty.
@@HellcatRedeye797What warranty dude it has 170k lol
Others who own this truck will read these comments and think it’s ok to run T6, which it’s not.
Better off doing a stage 1 delete (EGR cooler and diffuser pipe) will solve 95% of the problems.
Those 3.0 duramax engines have a ready dumb rubber/kevlar belt to run the oil pump. And you must pull the transmission to change it.
If you could eliminate the EGR on the ecodiesel it would be very beneficial to its longevity
Who cares about the oil pump belt. You’re going to be putting a transmission around 150-200k anyway. So until you don’t have any oil pressure or transmission is slipping. It’ll work out.
I think the government screwed up all diesels.
As they do with everything!
Ya think??
They certainly didn't help
All engines*
So what’s the fix for the recall on the CP4 pumps. Did they just swap in new ones or did they also go back to a CP3 pump?
Another great, informative video! Would love to see some merch
Thank ya. Merch could be coming soon
hello may i install in my 2015 ram 1500 3.0 ecodiesel 2021 3.0 ecodiesel
Love my gen3 in my Gladiator
I have a 2020 Ram Ecodiesel. I have 118k miles on it and so far . It’s been great. I have noticed it the last 10k or so the truck does a regen every 500 to 750 miles. Before that it never happened. I still have 3 years to pay that truck off. Keeping my fingers crossed it survives. I guess only time will tell.
I have a 22, just passed 50K miles. Been nothing but perfect so far, thank you Jesus.
need to remove and clean dpf.
Was thinking of buying a RAM 2500 with the Cummins engine, but the price was making me hesitate and I really didn't need a 3/4 ton. I only tow a 2600 lbs. boat on a dual axle trailer. Once the RAM gate issue broke, I moved on from a diesel and went with the NA 5.6 Titan XD. To me a truck is like a Timex, it should take a licking and keep on ticking. I don't think these twin turbo offerings and emissions choked diesel fit that bill.
2015 crew 63 " 4x4 tradesman 170k and no issues, great mpg and tows daily.
175,000 miles and going strong 2nd gen pulls a 22 foot travel trailer often. Fantastic powertrain aside from the emissions aftertreatment failures.
They also moved the intercooler to the airflow panel below the radiator so that it gets only cool air and not the heat from the radiator.
On my 2019 Ram 1500 classic ecodiesel have 131k, brakes still going strong, fuel pump recall replaced, but at 92k had to change EGR cooler (previous EGR before I bought truck was recalled and replaced) and CR converter due to failure but Ram did cover half the costs of those 2, hopefully the attorneys I hired specializing in this can work something out with Stellantis since the EGRs aren’t good and a current recall of the crankshaft which the part isn’t available.
Bought a 2018 Ecodiesel new with my severance after 30yr service in CAF. Beautiful truck, Limited edition with most options including Rambox. Well maintained and driven. Expected to last a long time and reassured by dealership that earlier model issues had been resolved. Wrong, last week the bottom end went and truck is essentially worthless. Considering a new motor for it but would be worried new motor would fail again. POS motor, run away.
This is the 2nd gen, not the 3rd gen reviewed in this video.
Definitely 2nd generation which they had high hopes On but failed. I wonder if the 3rd generation will hold up over time. I’ve seen a few 80k+ still running strong.
Thanks for the honest review. I'll pass on the ecodiesel and keep my 3.6 pentastar in my 22 Gladiator.
I have a 2020 1500 eco diesel my def pump went out within 10k miles but was under warranty there was a recall on the fuel pump that was taken care off honestly i havnt had really any other issues on the engine
GM half ton diesel engines have a rubber belt driving the oil pump and it sits at the back of the engine right? You would have to separate engine and transmission to get to it right? That doesn't sound like an inexpensive thing to do. Oil and rubber don't mix well either. So how long will that belt be reliable?
Since the SCOTUS' Chevron reversall, I am wondering whether that hit by the EPA will be appealed.
One of the best ways to reduce NOX gas is to use water/alcohol injection instead of EGR as W/A injection makes better power & fuel economy.
I’ve been wavering between getting one of these small diesel pickups or a tried and true Toyota Tundra with the 5.7. After watching this video when a low mileage eco-diesel came up for sale I think I will continue searching for a nice low mileage Tundra instead. I’ve owned two diesel passenger cars (Jetta TDI and BMW 328d) and loved the fuel efficiency, but the complexity of the modern diesel engine makes it a hard pill to swallow for a long term ownership plan.
I have a '22 gladiator with ecodiesel. #1 concern i see is high oil temps when ambient air temp is over 100. I've seen 257⁰ any thoughts on that?
My 2016 EcoDiesel CP4 fuel pump blew up twice. First Dodge dealer failed to clean return fuel like. I don’t understand how metal got past fuel filters
Kyle, I thought you were running the Pittsburgh penguins now 😂
These are great. Can you do the power stroke for the F150?
I think the ecodiesel would be a better pairing for the eamcharger than the 3.6 pentastar engine. You could easily mate a bigger generator to the output shaft and run it at the single most fuel efficient rpm. Then you wouldn't have to worry about a lot of the emissions and exhaust issues that plaque modern diesel engines.
What half ton pick up truck u should choose( MPG is priority and reliability ) I’m pilot truck driver and put about 90k miles a year. ( emission equipment will be deleted)
Would soot in the coolant be caused by bad EGR cooler? My coolant is black but not clumpy like if it had oil in it.
Great videos. Can you please rate these vehicles for us the like to do our own manintance and starters, alternators and so on. Thanks
Everything on them is a PITA to get to! Then again, most newer vehicles are difficult.
Emission control’s are destroying the appeal of diesel engines. Imo
can you make a video comparing the 3rd gen RAM ecodiesel and the 3L chevy Duramax? im torn between the two. im a fan of ram but everyone seems to like the "baby D" better. Just wanna hear your comparison. videos are awesome, Keep it up!!
Kinda surprised stellantis hasn't tried a i6 diesel similar to the hurricane that's coming out
Oddly enough Cummins has a i6 gas motor coming out that looks steller
USA government Is trying to rid of diesel engines.
@@mddunlap03 maybe it'll replace the 6.4 hemi? Would be cool to see 3/4tons with a gas straight six again
The sludge problem is also caused by lack of maintenance Oil changes. And the type of oil people choose to run
MB 3.0 six or 2.0 four cylinder diesel review request, and could it hypothetically work in a mid-size or half ton truck?
Hello my friend I have a question I’m on the fence between a ram 1500 2022 diesel or gmc sierra 2022 diesel ? Can you please give me an advice or anyone here on the channel thanks
I had a 2015 ecodiesel, and at 160k a $50 coolant line blew. Because of the location the cab had to be pulled off resulting in a $4700 repair bill. Compare and contrast to my 1998 12v Cummins that never gave me a lick of trouble and I sold at 420k. I'll never buy a small diesel again. They are poorly made and make no economic sense
What year Ram started doing 80% updates? Thanks!
2022 eco diesel or 2022 duramax opinions?
22 limited 3rd gen not one issue except the oil change price that I do myself they put a new design fuel pump on last year no problems full tank takes me from st. Louis to mobile al with a half of a 1/4 of diesel left at 75 to 80 mph solid ass engine far as I’m concerned
What oil do you use? I just bought a 2022.
@@codystephenson410 make sure it meets spec, what ever oil you use ( MS-12991 spec and API SP) and dont forget the Eco diesel engines are European. With that said I pretty sure I read some where that Ram recommends Platinum EURO FULL SYNTHETIC
Very interesting, I had 1st gen ram diesel and it wasnt bad up to 80k but when it started I sold it. What can you say about Nissan 5.6l 2016 and up to now?
I was just interested in comparing this to the GM diesel which I don't like the idea of an oil pump belt I also heard that they have fuel pump issues. But I appreciate and honest opinion
If you were allowed to take emissions stranglehold off this engine it would probably be a beast and run to 300k
3.0 duramax has the dumb cam drive wet belt in the rear. And both people I know with them have had leak issues one was front and rear crank seals other was a oil line for the turbo they replaced it under warranty but cab has to come off. If ford, honda and Toyota all failed at wet cam belts I doubt gm using the same kevar belt with more load will live a long life. Will probably do 150k miles or 6-7 years what ever comes first as the rubber breaks down over time
Dude, great stuff. Thanks.
I think I'll pass on the ecodiesel. Probably going to buy a gasoline engine truck those diesel engines now a days are just way to unreliable.
That's what they want us all to think! Soon it'll be I'm going electric those new gasolines are way too unreliable.
@@DerpymechI mean electric vehicles probably will be more reliable at some point. Electric motors are simple and actually very easy to rebuild when needed. The main issue we are having right now is battery issues but I’m sure that will work out in time. Tons of heavy machinery is actually an electric drivetrain with a smallish battery and a diesel generator. Trains are often like this and there’s some big mining trucks and stuff that’s the same.
If you're hooked on diesel torque, you won't be disappointed with an ecoboost f150. They even tow like diesels.
I bought my 2019 3.5 ecoboost f150 new after owning 4 diesel pickups. Other than the sound, I don't miss having a diesel truck, even when towing.
*too
@@Derpymechthe big three still make a good gas V8. Granted, GM puts cylinder deactivation in theirs which can brick the engine before 150k miles if you're unlucky. Delete the bastard so they're more like the third gen LS engines and they'll run for 300k miles or more.
The problem with diesels is the emissions, which isn't hitting gas engines quite as hard, YET. Eventually, you will be right. For the time being, however, they're holding on.
when his Orange Highness ascends to the throne again, he would also make diesels great again!
Hey I’m using rotella 5w40 oil! Would the 15w40 be alright to use instead?
@johnflack2307...........5W-40 and 15W-40 are both the same VISCOSITY at the operating temperature. The 5W-40 is a bit less VISCOUS than the 15W-40, The 5W and 15W VISCOSITIES are measured at 40c Where the 40 Grade is measured at 100 c , but are measured with different test methods.
No, don't do it. At lower temperatures (when the engine is warming up) will cause the oil to move too slowly in between the rod and main bearings causing metal to metal contact, potentially causing premature bearing failure
I drove a 22 ecodiesel when it had just got delivered to the dealer. Me and my wife were the first people to take this truck out on the road. It was the worst drive I have had in a truck. The thing was all or literally nothing. I tried to pull out on the road and the truck jumped and then fell on its face. I just matted it cause traffic was coming quick. Scared the shit out of me. Got on side roads to try and figure out what the truck wanted and it was just bad. Hated it and took it right back. Not sure if something was wrong with that truck or what.
I think the Ford F 250 gas is the best thing on the market
@@Zzus321 What the 7.3?
@@kuhndog-1196 6.8 or the 7.3. less bs to break push rod engine
I'm a dodge guy so for me the 6.4 is a work of art lol. But I would agree withthe 7.3. Very impressive engine.
You probably forgot to turn the e-brake off. I owned a 22 ecodiesel and it was the best driving truck out there. Drives better than the duramax, smoother power delivery. Sad I needed to trade it to get a crew cab and they got rid of it for 23
Where's the towing test?
Just don’t know why people spend money in over complicated trucks. You ain’t towing anything, you don’t drive it enough to benefit from the mpg and what it cost to buy and then repair you just getting set up for failure
Great overview in this video and others. I will never buy a truck with this engine now, thank you ))
So is this engine reliable
Alex!!!!! What about the Nissan Titan XD 5.0 Cummins!! Are the good!! I wanna know your thoughts!!! Please do a video!!!!!
Short answer: NO. Stay away.
No and the truck isn’t great either. Best stay away. In had a 2016.
@@wesadrian6981
Did you have the diesel or 5.6 V8?
Diesel. Had to delete it because of emissions troubles. Had good power but the fuel mileage sucked 16-18 mpg Canadian. 22 at best. Had to replace transfer case (on warranty) . Couldn’t fix. Disposable Very light. Could hold it in one hand. Had to keep replacing Parking sensors that got dinged by gravel stones. A pavement Princess. Not a work truck
@@wesadrian6981
I'm happy I didn't buy the diesel then!! Bought a 23 Titan Pro-4x 5.6 V8 and it's been a dream so far
We need more power wagon content friend
20’ Ecodiesel ram 70k miles. I’m concerned about the cp4 more than anything 😅
The diesel does not produce max torque "twice as quick" as the turbo max as it takes much longer to rev. I don't like either motor so I'm not saying that because I have a favorite. The diesel junks itself with soot and carbon and no matter what they say a four cylinder is gonna wear out quickly in a full size truck. Especially one that works for a living.
From what I have seen I don’t think the power stroke 3.0 got much different bearing from the original lion TDV6. I think they did a different coating but that’s all I could find. I have seen a few images of TDV6 2.7L and 3.0 powerstroke bearings side by side and they look the same, besides the colour. Were you referring to the bearings width being changed to 20mm vs 16mm?
It's hard to label anything a design flaw when Stellantis would have been well aware of the issues but not bother to fix it.
The fact Ford found it necessary to upgrade the main bearings should most definitely have been a red flag.
But ultimately Stellantis and VM Motori are brands synonyms with producing garbage, so it's no real surprise they didn't bother.
That's sort of my thinking as well. Big red flag.
As a ram owner, I have to say, the ecodiesel is easily one of the engines out there!
It was a disaster for Ram. The 3rd gen engines are terrible but the earlier engines destroyed the reputation
Give credit to Ford, they saw a problem and fixed it and Chrysler tried to cut corners ... what a surprise.
Thats pretty much what I took away from it lol
Ford doesn't fix they're problems the just pass the buck to the customer look at they're cp4 grenading it's been a pile of shit since day 1 but they always claim fuel contamination
So take off all emision junk off and its a good engine? I was ganna buy a 2017 dodge 1500 but you make my wabt to ride a bicycle 300 miles a day
Nice video cutie! Don’t these engine manufacturers stress test and beat the crap out of these engines prototypes before releasing them to the public and going into full production? One would think they’d address common issues beforehand but I guess I’m in lala-land.
I mean yes they probably have lots of testing but its very hard to really know the full limitations until its been in the real world in the hands of real people
I thought the name was no longer Chrysler? You skipped a huge number of applications in the Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator. Output is different from Ram.
Chrysler/fiat I guess, and ya I was just focusing on the trucks. But realistically, the ecodiesels in the jeeps were almost identical
@@GettysGarage Yes, but lots of parts are different that are bolted to the engine, as are the emissions underside due to packagaing.
The Chevy straight 6 in my opinion is not a better engine. Manufacturer recommends you change the timing belt not chain, every 100,000 miles. That requires you to drop the transmission if you want to change the belt. Also the water pump and radiator belt are on the backside of the engine. Up against the firewall. Not easy access for maintenance...
Was going to buy a diesel Gladiator until the service department told me it's $350 for an oil change. 😢
$100 if you do it yourself
So Ford knew about the problem and fixed it but Dodge/Fiat/Atlantis qaired until the third Gen to fix it. Sounds about right.
We have the 2nd gen in our 2017 Ram and have had all the recalls done. I do my own maintenance using only Royal Purple products except for the tranny and transfer case, which has to use the OEM fluids that only Chrysler sells. We have 79 k miles on it. No problems .