Test drove the Rogue 48V last week, list price $76K Absolute shocking road travelling car. Rear Hopped out over the bridge connection on Hume hwy north of Seymour. Ridiculous road dynamic, compared to the VW Amarok 2024 which is test driven just prior. I wouldn’t pay $50K for the rogue given it’s archaic interior and road ability. Yeah it might be a good rock climber but I want something that can be driven in comfort and safety to the off road destination. $47990 I would of brought it
I went to buy a Ford, but after looking and reading up on the Ranger, VW and others, I ended up with the Hilux Rogue. The rest are complete shit boxes. Still can't beat the old Hilux.
I just picked mine up about an hour before you posted this, but I am really happy with it so far. I like how it looks inside too. But I havent had a new car in 12 years, so it feels super modern. You give the best explanation on the hybrid system, better than the dealer explained.
@@shakeelali20 It did everything I wanted. They have an awesome reputation, and the dealer is close. I looked at everything else, seriously thought about an Amarok, but the dealer looked like they didn't want to sell one. I also really like the smaller info screen, analogue gauges and the motor has been around for ages, and is super reliable
This is what the world's biggest car company has to offer us in 2024 for 70k. A Half arsed hybrid, with a full fat ute price. Seems like the mantra at Toyota nowadays.
where do you see half "assed" hybrid?! this is just a minor refresh before the real hardcore hybrid arrives probaby from the 4runner system powertrain.
@@carholic-sz3qv So you agree? Why bother with this 'barely a facelift' model if not to distract from their severe lack of development in the EV or PHEV ute space. It may be the best Hilux yet, but that doesn't mean much anymore.
Another well thought out and delivered review mate I picked my rogue up yesterday Replaced my 2022 sr5 Throttle response is so much better My stop start comes up as unavailable sometimes I believe it’s linked to a/c being on auto it won’t stop engine if there’s a differential to outside Very happy with it
Not necessarily mad. It all depends on what will be on offer. If the next generation is a petrol battery Hilux, then this current diesel version would be the better choice for many.
@@brownhairydog6472 then why did they update the Tacoma, Tundra, Land Cruiser LC300 and 4Runner? Sales were tanking for those but somehow not for Hilux or Fortuner?
@@AmmarMalik of course they update models. But you're missing the point, Toyota more than any other manufacturer knows what their fan base wants. Cheapish, reliable, no frills. Resale values on all Toyotas reflect this. Prado still sells big after a decade on sale. I don't own a new Hilux but I'd take a 10 year old one over anything else same age. And best thing is it would like like a current one!
The Hilux needs an update ASAP. The new model could even be a facelift Tacoma. I'd consider it over any other option still, since in Europe the competition is at similar prices, but with smaller displacement engines.
I completely agree. They need to replace this HiLux range with a new generation and they do have the new Tacoma as a template. Smaller displacement engines are great as long as they build them to be reliable and to last. Face it, who would have imagines ten years ago that a 2.8 diesel would make as much power as the 1HD FT-E 4.2 unit and trounce it with 100Nm more torque while also using about 25% less fuel? It’s only a matter of degrees that rivals get exactly the same power and torque out of a 2.0 engine. As long as Ford get their timing belt issue sorted, which they promise they now have done, it may well be the gold standard for others to beat in future. That’s not to denigrate the Toyota 2.8 at all, because it is a cracking engine in every way.
@@hedydd2 The Mitsubishi L200 (Triton) currently out of EU market due to emissions. The Nissan Navara with a weak timing chain system. Ford Ranger and VW Amarok using a wet timing belt. The Isuzu D-Max with a small 2.0L Bi-Turbo engine. The Hilux 2.4 at similar prices, it's like a no brainer.
@@RogerM88 The L200 out of the EU has nothing to do with Emissions. Mitsubishi have completely and permanently withdrawn all their business from Europe and Nissan have shut their European Navara factory in Spain and have abandoned the pickup truck market over the vast region. The D-Max is only available here with the lethargic and outdated 1.9 diesel while the almost equally lethargic HiLux 2.4 has been mostly replaced by the rather good 2.8 with 200hp and 500Nm torque. The same engine as will be fitted to the new Land Cruiser 250. By far the best pickups at the moment are the Ford and VW and sales reflect this, only limited by supply for the moment. Toyota hybrid is interesting but they do need a new generation model to compete with and leapfrog the best rivals. Rivals that will have their own hybrids very soon.
@@hedydd2 The Ranger and Amarok better? Probably because it's a newer platform. But having a wet belt is a huge pass for me. Check the issues with the 2.0L in the Transit. I'd take this outdated Hilux over both.
@@simmo6035 yea and what are you constantly trying to update? Even a iPhone gets minimal updates every year it’s not worth buying get a phone every 3yrs to actually maybe notice some differences.
It doesn’t replace the starter motor! It’s still there and it’s used when you first start the engine with the start button. The BSG takes over once the engine has been first started, but the traditional starter motor is still there and used every time you start the engine with the starter button
Has anyone actually checked that ground clearance that Toyota claims ? Normally the lowest point above ground on the pickup truck is the rear diff, and its height above ground basically depends on the tire size. The Hilux normally has the same tire size as most other pickups in the segment (265/60/R18), however they claim to have about 3,5-4,5 cm more ground clearance than the competition. Unless their rear diff has some revolutionary design, and I don't see that it does, what is all this about ?
Been watching your review and had hilux for the last 12 year but this time I just couldn’t do it end up with a ranger wild tracks Great channel keep up the great work
I get 9.1L/100Km in my 2017 standard SR dual cab ute auto. So where's the saving? What's the point? How long will the 48v battery last and how much to replace? Just looks like more stuff to break and replace.
Would be good if you could put two new Hiluxs together with and without the 48v v active tech and do a direct comparison between the two, in terms of weight, performance, features and how the 48v v active system works not only in what was mentioned in this blog but in terms of regeneration, where the MGU charges the battery and when it does this. I understand like in a manual, that it provides a bit of an engine brake, as soon as you take your foot off the accelerator. So a more technical review of the system would be great. Also is it possible to flatten the battery.
You can tell on the rough road/ condensed sine when there's rattling noises and Paul's voice is all jittery, it's not ACTUALLY all 'nice and comfortable' :)
Correction at 11.00 in the video, the 48v hilux still has a 12volt starter motor. The 48v motor/generator replaces the alternator. To stop start, the m/g turns the engine crank on the serpentine belt with 40Nm of torque for a very fast restart. The 12v starter motor is still there for cold starts at the beginning of the day. I picked my sr5 up 4 weeks ago.
@@javic1979 have a mate in a Ford dealership that told me to stay well away from it after wanting to trade up from my 2016 Amarok. He was the reason I stayed well clear of the new VW and Ford and I’m glad I did
My 2023 Rogue gets 11.9, but running A/T tyres, a bullbar and a snorkel. All these affect the fuel economy. But the fuel doesn't really bother me, as I like the car too much.
American here. I watch this channel and think, “man, I wish those utes were sold here.” Even our smallest trucks are gigantic now. In general, do Australians wish they could get the ‘24 USDM Tacoma (or any of our enormous trucks)?
I think people want something different so a Tacoma would probably sell well but talking to people that have lived in the states and here they say a Hilux is a better option once the novelty has worn off. As a Hilux tragic I'd love to rent a Tacoma for a week or two just to see the difference.
Aussies overwhelmingly DO NOT want the massive American trucks driving around on roads and carparks which were never designed for vehicles of their size. They've clearly found a solid niche following with the Lifestyle ute buyers, as I've yet to see one (and I see plenty more than I should daily) that's actually being used for work a Hilux/Ranger/Amarok couldn't do. I've heard the old towing/heavy hauling arguments before, but at that point you'd be better served by something diesel powered and designed for work, not something with nappa leather and a petrol V8.
@@shakeelali20 we deal with the towing argument here too. People buy $90K USD diesel trucks (with Napa leather) that can tow 18000 kilos just in case they decide to buy a 2000 kilo fishing boat. Then they use that truck to take the kids to school every day.
The advantages are minimal, more like a tax bending feature. Similar as here in Portugal, where double cab Utes are also offered with a 3 seat configuration to avoid paying more taxes.
9.5/100kms is 30MPG UK and I’m getting 3MPG better than that except when towing form my standard 150kW 500Nm two litre Ford Ranger. Easily get 8/100kms or 35MPG UK on a long journey at normal legal speeds.
Went to toyota today and had a look underneath a 48v Hilux and it does in fact have a conventional starter motor. Just FYI as you stated that the starter was replaced by the gen/ motor setup.
I've had the first gen Rogue hilux from 2018 bought brand new. I'm becoming very impatient with toyota, in bringing a new chasis/drivetrain hilux range. Its been 6 years and they've barely updated the car and yet still expecting customers to pay top dollar for an outdated vehicle with barely any changes in their models! 🖕
Jeep has had a mild hybrid 48v system for some time called eTorque. I have one in my 2021 JLU Willys. It uses a small lithium battery mounted under the rear passenger seat next to the driver side frame rail. Up front, the alternator is replaced by belt-starter generator or BSG. The eTorque equipped engines were available for a few years until eventually discontinued with the 4xe models.
I’ve got a feeling these Thai utes with their aging platforms are going to struggle to sell soon with some stiff competition on its way over the next twelve months from China & Korea that will be 10 to 20k cheaper with longer warranties. Poor quality cameras, belt driven electric motors, shorter warranties, crazy service costs etc etc etc in a $70k vehicle just won’t be acceptable in the very near future I would expect . Nice review. 👍
@@citizen1l People are buying on reputation alone and waiting absurd amounts of time for basic SUVs and hatchbacks. I don't know why anyone would wait upwards of 12 months for a RAV4 when there's a dozen competitors available right now that'll do the same if not a better job. It's Toyota's reputation that sells their cars, not the tech, pricing or actual reliability.
@@shakeelali20 a reliability that is 30 years old. Nowadays they are as reliable as any other brand. Only caviar is parts availability that also comes from a legacy of old school reliability.
This is by far Toyota's most reliable ute and that mild hybrid and multi terrain select system is pushed the Hilux to yonder heights. I love the Rogue. The entertainment system is still okay I love the JBL 9 speaker sound system. Bravo Toyota. Love that pick up.
What does that 3 kn tow load equate to in the real world , e.g. 2000kg caravan , 3000 kg caravan etc . ? The fuel consumption when towing was pretty awful I thought.
@@scottburbridge1451 Ignoring the LDV et60 with its massive range of 330km unladen, the government is trying to push all into evs whilst turning a blind eye to the fact that in some, if not a lot of cases they are not fit for purpose.
@@rcre7839 When did the government say they were trying to push everyone into evs? The point of emissions standards is to force manufacturers to start introducing hybrids and plug in hybrids, so the tech can get better as it is adopted, so we can eventually transition into evs (which are fit for purpose) faster. Where has a hybrid HiLux been for the past 20 years? The tech has been there in the 20 year old Prius, Toyota just doesn't want to sell it elsewhere.
Well, I've got a 23 Rogue and absolutely love it. Shits all over the next gen Ranger sport I had. And with the steering, it's perfectly weighted. Electric steering would be too light.
I understand that people love the Hilux but I hope at somepoint the sales starts to decline because I don't think Toyota will release the next-gen because the Hilux is still sellable but I can't wait for the next gen I hope it will be released sometime next year.
It would be interesting to see a traction control comparison between a manual and an automatic vehicle. I've got a manual hilux, and the traction control works far more effectively in these situations than any of the Car Expert tests have displayed over the years.
Great review! Just bought the Rogue 48v :) I would have loved to see if the 48v Rogue would of completed that hill-climb with just its traction control system.
After driving constant AWD Ute you just don't wanna step back. twisty roads, towing or wet weather AWD makes a huge improvement. oh and it cuts back tyre wear. I'm hanging onto my Amarok until it falls apart. the 40/60 split AWD is a weapon on the twisty stuff
I respectfully disagree that Toyota are "doing it the smart way". They're doing it, to be as polite as I can, the disappointing way. So disappointing that my next car won't be a Toyota, which will be a first for me.
This is the equivalent of the Hilux Conquest in the Philippines, although not a hybrid and the variant in the Philippines already got an updated infotainment screen.
your course for the hill test is not consistent , the surface on the hill in the hilux review is much more firm, compared to the triton review, ill also point out that the triton tires was caked in mud vs the hilux review , you can literally see the threading on the wheel when the you attempted to do the hill test from the middle. your reviews are excellent , but i am just pointing out my observation i looked at the triton and hilux back to back. i am pretty sure if the triton tires had less mud caked on it would have made it up, also it is evident that the hilux comes with better tires from the factory
I don't understand the acceptance of the vast differences between performance without acknowledging differences in atmospheric conditions and manufacturing tolerances. There is no way you have enough data to eliminate random errors sufficient to provide a verdict. Car performance can change from AM to PM let alone between different cars and different days/months/years!
Question is does this version of hybrid meet new standards, I am glad to see a diesel in hybrid doesn't make sense when diesel does far better kms etc over petrol.
Diesels use almost no fuel at idle, so pretty pointless. Tech tutor told auto tech class that a diesels can idle for one minute on the same amount of fuel required to start.
Our 2017 Hilux SR5 done high 7's to low 8 Litres per hundred K's for the 4 years we owned it. New Ranger V6 does exactly the same but with 185 KW and 600 Nm of torque.
my car sr5 last year model with smm canopy and full of tools like drop saw table saw and bunch of stuff fully loaded try up to ceiling doing 9.6 per 100 maximum 10/100 kms . srf is lighter thats why rogue is bigger and wider more heavier . would love to see srf fuel average . thanks
I would like to see this also. Have a six month old GR Sport, absolutely love it. Also have a 105 series Landcruiser, fully kitted out. Will be selling the Landcruiser.
@@ryanlane4 well it’s referred to a hybrid or a mild hybrid in this video. Either way, very misleading or most likely these journalists are being told to call it this by the motor company.
Missed talking about the assisted tail gate that every reviewer kept banging on about, also does it really have another 12kw & 65nm? thats 162kw & 565nm, will perform better than the GR then at 165kw & 550nm?
Please do the review of SR5 48V in Graphite. It lost all its chrome shiny bits, as it was in the previous version, and have everything blacked out now... So Sad..
0-100km/hr in 10.42 seconds? Yikes this thing is slow. The interior looks like a vehicle from 10 years ago. Honestly cannot believe this is considered "new". Yet it will sell. So odd.
my one is none hybrid. only issue i am having is the steering wheel pulls you on left if you take off your hands .. once you bring it back to center of the road then it will go slightly on right .... engine is just bit loud not smooth as i was expecting model 2024 SR5 Cruiser
@@dnomyarnostaw Yeah I saw that one. But no, I'm talking about the new GWM hybrid ute called the Alpha. Their website says it is available now. Was just interested in seeing what Paul and the team thought of it.
Toyota is quite confusing with its hybrid applications. Completely different approaches when comparing their car's hybrid system to the truck's. According to Toyota, when they had launched the tundra hybrid in North America, they focus more on delivering quite more overall power to the truck than efficiency. That didn't stop buyers from assuming that the mpg would be a lot better than the regular truck. Also, I've read the press release on this truck and Toyota said that you'll most likely see their claimed fuel economy, if the vehicle is mostly driven in urban or off-road conditions. So far, I see no value in getting this truck. You're not getting more power for the money, the efficiency only matters if you're doing urban or off-road driving, so forget about seeing any reduced mpg figures if you're doing any highway miles. The interior looks like crap for a +$50k (US), 2024 vehicle. It's better to wait for the 2025 model.
Simply... You won't get wrong on getting a Toyota Hilux. Mechanics knows best. 👍Good review
This is the best bakkie on the market in my humble opinion and I'm a happy Hilux owner. People buy Toyota for reliability and longevity not gadgets
Still not worth the asking price it's in-between a Mahindra and Musso the price should be no more than $45000 and that's pushing it.
Good luck, hopefully your car will not get recalled
@@bigbazza73 crap re sale on the shit boxes you reckon
Test drove the Rogue 48V last week, list price $76K
Absolute shocking road travelling car. Rear Hopped out over the bridge connection on Hume hwy north of Seymour. Ridiculous road dynamic, compared to the VW Amarok 2024 which is test driven just prior. I wouldn’t pay $50K for the rogue given it’s archaic interior and road ability. Yeah it might be a good rock climber but I want something that can be driven in comfort and safety to the off road destination. $47990 I would of brought it
I went to buy a Ford, but after looking and reading up on the Ranger, VW and others, I ended up with the Hilux Rogue. The rest are complete shit boxes. Still can't beat the old Hilux.
I just picked mine up about an hour before you posted this, but I am really happy with it so far. I like how it looks inside too. But I havent had a new car in 12 years, so it feels super modern. You give the best explanation on the hybrid system, better than the dealer explained.
Enjoy new Ute
Congrats on the new car mate. Was there a major reason you chose the Hilux over the competition?
@@shakeelali20 It did everything I wanted. They have an awesome reputation, and the dealer is close. I looked at everything else, seriously thought about an Amarok, but the dealer looked like they didn't want to sell one.
I also really like the smaller info screen, analogue gauges and the motor has been around for ages, and is super reliable
No wonder why you feel so Morden, 12 years is a long time 🎉, Toyota nowadays= old
@@AntihuaGoxiba Lol, Ive driven modern cars and full EV's but the Hilux is the perfect mix for me. It will be a workhorse.
This is what the world's biggest car company has to offer us in 2024 for 70k. A Half arsed hybrid, with a full fat ute price. Seems like the mantra at Toyota nowadays.
where do you see half "assed" hybrid?! this is just a minor refresh before the real hardcore hybrid arrives probaby from the 4runner system powertrain.
@@carholic-sz3qv So you agree? Why bother with this 'barely a facelift' model if not to distract from their severe lack of development in the EV or PHEV ute space. It may be the best Hilux yet, but that doesn't mean much anymore.
@@shakeelali20because some need a ute now and others like yo upgrade every year
Rather proven reliability then everything and the kitchen sink half arsed in Chinese cars
Yeah wait 4 years for delivery and pay 100,000 for it.@@carholic-sz3qv
I am Hilux fan, Ute fads come and go but 10 years from now Hilux still be the best Ute in the world.
The Hilux will never be the best with 20 year old interior.
Another well thought out and delivered review mate
I picked my rogue up yesterday
Replaced my 2022 sr5
Throttle response is so much better
My stop start comes up as unavailable sometimes
I believe it’s linked to a/c being on auto it won’t stop engine if there’s a differential to outside
Very happy with it
DPF regen will prevent stop/start as well
I would be mad to buy this version when new one coming out next year😊
whats planned next year?
Next gen hilux coming 2025
Negative next 18 months has nothing forecasted
It's been forecast that 2025 Hilux may have a full ev model. No news if it's the same gen or new gen
Not necessarily mad. It all depends on what will be on offer. If the next generation is a petrol battery Hilux, then this current diesel version would be the better choice for many.
Can’t wait to order mine. Beautiful
Toyota desperately needs to update this dinosaur
They still sell alot in current guise so clearly the buying public doesn't mind the age
Why? Idiots keep buying em ? Why change ? I have a 2017 one and the interior looks the same haha
@@brownhairydog6472 then why did they update the Tacoma, Tundra, Land Cruiser LC300 and 4Runner? Sales were tanking for those but somehow not for Hilux or Fortuner?
@@AmmarMalik of course they update models. But you're missing the point, Toyota more than any other manufacturer knows what their fan base wants. Cheapish, reliable, no frills. Resale values on all Toyotas reflect this. Prado still sells big after a decade on sale. I don't own a new Hilux but I'd take a 10 year old one over anything else same age. And best thing is it would like like a current one!
@@brownhairydog6472 Sheeeeeeep ~
The Hilux needs an update ASAP. The new model could even be a facelift Tacoma. I'd consider it over any other option still, since in Europe the competition is at similar prices, but with smaller displacement engines.
I completely agree. They need to replace this HiLux range with a new generation and they do have the new Tacoma as a template. Smaller displacement engines are great as long as they build them to be reliable and to last. Face it, who would have imagines ten years ago that a 2.8 diesel would make as much power as the 1HD FT-E 4.2 unit and trounce it with 100Nm more torque while also using about 25% less fuel? It’s only a matter of degrees that rivals get exactly the same power and torque out of a 2.0 engine. As long as Ford get their timing belt issue sorted, which they promise they now have done, it may well be the gold standard for others to beat in future. That’s not to denigrate the Toyota 2.8 at all, because it is a cracking engine in every way.
@@hedydd2 The Mitsubishi L200 (Triton) currently out of EU market due to emissions. The Nissan Navara with a weak timing chain system. Ford Ranger and VW Amarok using a wet timing belt. The Isuzu D-Max with a small 2.0L Bi-Turbo engine. The Hilux 2.4 at similar prices, it's like a no brainer.
@@RogerM88 The L200 out of the EU has nothing to do with Emissions. Mitsubishi have completely and permanently withdrawn all their business from Europe and Nissan have shut their European Navara factory in Spain and have abandoned the pickup truck market over the vast region. The D-Max is only available here with the lethargic and outdated 1.9 diesel while the almost equally lethargic HiLux 2.4 has been mostly replaced by the rather good 2.8 with 200hp and 500Nm torque. The same engine as will be fitted to the new Land Cruiser 250. By far the best pickups at the moment are the Ford and VW and sales reflect this, only limited by supply for the moment. Toyota hybrid is interesting but they do need a new generation model to compete with and leapfrog the best rivals. Rivals that will have their own hybrids very soon.
@@hedydd2 The Ranger and Amarok better? Probably because it's a newer platform. But having a wet belt is a huge pass for me. Check the issues with the 2.0L in the Transit. I'd take this outdated Hilux over both.
@@hedydd2 I've an Hilux with the 2.4L, and it's far from lethargic. Maybe while departing in some incline, you can feel the lower displacement.
Same interior same platform for 10yrs time to change it up
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.😂
No 2019 was the platform update, then now it’s face lifted with upgraded suspension and wider body.
They could update every year but the price would always be going up to cover the RnD
@@simmo6035 yea and what are you constantly trying to update? Even a iPhone gets minimal updates every year it’s not worth buying get a phone every 3yrs to actually maybe notice some differences.
@@simmo6035 update what though exactly? Every year is pointless
It doesn’t replace the starter motor! It’s still there and it’s used when you first start the engine with the start button. The BSG takes over once the engine has been first started, but the traditional starter motor is still there and used every time you start the engine with the starter button
Correct, I'd say he got his info from Toyota dealers who have no idea about what they are selling
I kinda agree.
Has anyone actually checked that ground clearance that Toyota claims ? Normally the lowest point above ground on the pickup truck is the rear diff, and its height above ground basically depends on the tire size. The Hilux normally has the same tire size as most other pickups in the segment (265/60/R18), however they claim to have about 3,5-4,5 cm more ground clearance than the competition. Unless their rear diff has some revolutionary design, and I don't see that it does, what is all this about ?
It's Toyota. Always sugar coating advertising, hoping nobody will notice.
Been watching your review and had hilux for the last 12 year but this time I just couldn’t do it end up with a ranger wild tracks
Great channel keep up the great work
When Paul sits in, he may be the only real leather in the car.🤣
A lot of complaints about that power sliding cargo cover. They should have a manual lift cover option.
I get 9.1L/100Km in my 2017 standard SR dual cab ute auto. So where's the saving? What's the point? How long will the 48v battery last and how much to replace? Just looks like more stuff to break and replace.
Would be good if you could put two new Hiluxs together with and without the 48v v active tech and do a direct comparison between the two, in terms of weight, performance, features and how the 48v v active system works not only in what was mentioned in this blog but in terms of regeneration, where the MGU charges the battery and when it does this. I understand like in a manual, that it provides a bit of an engine brake, as soon as you take your foot off the accelerator. So a more technical review of the system would be great. Also is it possible to flatten the battery.
We need new 4Runner in Australia. Most of these utes don’t see mud or dirt.
You can tell on the rough road/ condensed sine when there's rattling noises and Paul's voice is all jittery, it's not ACTUALLY all 'nice and comfortable' :)
Correction at 11.00 in the video, the 48v hilux still has a 12volt starter motor. The 48v motor/generator replaces the alternator. To stop start, the m/g turns the engine crank on the serpentine belt with 40Nm of torque for a very fast restart. The 12v starter motor is still there for cold starts at the beginning of the day. I picked my sr5 up 4 weeks ago.
I have a 2023 Rogue, I can’t get mine near that fuel economy,my average is around 10.6L/100. Other than that really happy with it.
Meanwhile my 6.4 Hemi is averaged at 12.5. Too bad I can’t tow 😂
I was going to trade my VW on one until seen the fuel consumption.
even the v6 ranger gets better
@@javic1979 have a mate in a Ford dealership that told me to stay well away from it after wanting to trade up from my 2016 Amarok. He was the reason I stayed well clear of the new VW and Ford and I’m glad I did
@@javic1979 get rid of that amarok asap
My 2023 Rogue gets 11.9, but running A/T tyres, a bullbar and a snorkel. All these affect the fuel economy.
But the fuel doesn't really bother me, as I like the car too much.
American here. I watch this channel and think, “man, I wish those utes were sold here.” Even our smallest trucks are gigantic now.
In general, do Australians wish they could get the ‘24 USDM Tacoma (or any of our enormous trucks)?
We get right hand drive converted RAM, Silverado and soon the F-150 in Aus / NZ.
I think people want something different so a Tacoma would probably sell well but talking to people that have lived in the states and here they say a Hilux is a better option once the novelty has worn off. As a Hilux tragic I'd love to rent a Tacoma for a week or two just to see the difference.
Few running around, ridiculous in surbaban environment, too big in parking spots and narrow streets....
Aussies overwhelmingly DO NOT want the massive American trucks driving around on roads and carparks which were never designed for vehicles of their size. They've clearly found a solid niche following with the Lifestyle ute buyers, as I've yet to see one (and I see plenty more than I should daily) that's actually being used for work a Hilux/Ranger/Amarok couldn't do. I've heard the old towing/heavy hauling arguments before, but at that point you'd be better served by something diesel powered and designed for work, not something with nappa leather and a petrol V8.
@@shakeelali20 we deal with the towing argument here too. People buy $90K USD diesel trucks (with Napa leather) that can tow 18000 kilos just in case they decide to buy a 2000 kilo fishing boat. Then they use that truck to take the kids to school every day.
Same old interior 🙄
How dare you say something blasphemous to our holy hilux. Seek forgiveness immediately 😮
True. And also same old exterior
True.. there same old exterior too
I'll honestly choose ford atp
@@anonymousyt2452why?
The advantages are minimal, more like a tax bending feature. Similar as here in Portugal, where double cab Utes are also offered with a 3 seat configuration to avoid paying more taxes.
I live in Europe and the road tax isn't cheaper on the hybrid sadly.
You need a plug-in or a proper hybrid för that (where I live at least).
Gradual improvement. That’s what Toyota is all about.
9.5/100kms is 30MPG UK and I’m getting 3MPG better than that except when towing form my standard 150kW 500Nm two litre Ford Ranger. Easily get 8/100kms or 35MPG UK on a long journey at normal legal speeds.
Went to toyota today and had a look underneath a 48v Hilux and it does in fact have a conventional starter motor. Just FYI as you stated that the starter was replaced by the gen/ motor setup.
The workmate with 2.4 is the value for money go. No one really review the 2.4.
amazing motor...hard to tell the difference till maxed-out!
Man I love that colour!
Reminds me of Millennium Jade on the R34s 😍
Looks good. Is this going to be pretty much the same system in the 2025 Fortuner?
The Fotuner is a Hilux actually , same chassis
I've had the first gen Rogue hilux from 2018 bought brand new. I'm becoming very impatient with toyota, in bringing a new chasis/drivetrain hilux range. Its been 6 years and they've barely updated the car and yet still expecting customers to pay top dollar for an outdated vehicle with barely any changes in their models! 🖕
I dont think this size infotainment system lets it down. We need a Toyota petrol hybrid Hilux ❤
Jeep has had a mild hybrid 48v system for some time called eTorque. I have one in my 2021 JLU Willys. It uses a small lithium battery mounted under the rear passenger seat next to the driver side frame rail. Up front, the alternator is replaced by belt-starter generator or BSG. The eTorque equipped engines were available for a few years until eventually discontinued with the 4xe models.
I’ve got a feeling these Thai utes with their aging platforms are going to struggle to sell soon with some stiff competition on its way over the next twelve months from China & Korea that will be 10 to 20k cheaper with longer warranties. Poor quality cameras, belt driven electric motors, shorter warranties, crazy service costs etc etc etc in a $70k vehicle just won’t be acceptable in the very near future I would expect . Nice review. 👍
Toyota will sell no matter what the have a cult following
@@citizen1l People are buying on reputation alone and waiting absurd amounts of time for basic SUVs and hatchbacks. I don't know why anyone would wait upwards of 12 months for a RAV4 when there's a dozen competitors available right now that'll do the same if not a better job. It's Toyota's reputation that sells their cars, not the tech, pricing or actual reliability.
@@shakeelali20 a reliability that is 30 years old. Nowadays they are as reliable as any other brand. Only caviar is parts availability that also comes from a legacy of old school reliability.
"A strong hybrid would be preferred", just my opinion.
This is by far Toyota's most reliable ute and that mild hybrid and multi terrain select system is pushed the Hilux to yonder heights. I love the Rogue. The entertainment system is still okay I love the JBL 9 speaker sound system. Bravo Toyota. Love that pick up.
@@zarapestcontrolandcleaning2592 Can't argue with any of that.
Still baffles me why Toyota don't sell the Tacoma here in OZ.
wouldn't be able to build enough atm
What does that 3 kn tow load equate to in the real world , e.g. 2000kg caravan , 3000 kg caravan etc . ? The fuel consumption when towing was pretty awful I thought.
"Kind of useless at being a ute" is the best quote about ev utes i've ever heard. God i hope Chris Bowen is watching this.
Yes, all those PHEV utes are so useless at being utes! Like the... um..
Imagine allowing a garden variety politician to live rent free in your head...
@@scottburbridge1451 Ignoring the LDV et60 with its massive range of 330km unladen, the government is trying to push all into evs whilst turning a blind eye to the fact that in some, if not a lot of cases they are not fit for purpose.
@@alfstewart22 Imagine being so desperate for attention you post pointless things like this while ignoring a point.
@@rcre7839 When did the government say they were trying to push everyone into evs? The point of emissions standards is to force manufacturers to start introducing hybrids and plug in hybrids, so the tech can get better as it is adopted, so we can eventually transition into evs (which are fit for purpose) faster. Where has a hybrid HiLux been for the past 20 years? The tech has been there in the 20 year old Prius, Toyota just doesn't want to sell it elsewhere.
I am 11 years and I am obsessed
Get off the internet and go do your homework
Australia needs the I force max engine.
I am confused, seems premium enough for this price point, but it is a bit cheap. Can’t be both at once.
So it's a Hilux with an extra battery for start/stop. Is this a joke?
Mild hybrid, not the same as start/stop.
Just ordered mine, looks awesome.
Wonder if the colder day had anything to do with improved performance.
Does it still have a manual DPF burn off switch ,or has that been rectifyed.
Hope Toyota puts this 48v sustem into a hiace next. Would love this in a cabover form, 4x4
Well, I've got a 23 Rogue and absolutely love it. Shits all over the next gen Ranger sport I had.
And with the steering, it's perfectly weighted. Electric steering would be too light.
Rear wheel disc brakes, wider tracks, out board shock absorbers, assisted tailgate…..sound familiar?
Slowly playing catch up to the Ranger 👍
Yeah maybe, but way ahead in reliability and build quality. Cant be #1 in all the toys if u want a reliable car.
@@Sgten01👌
@@Sgten01 build quality??? I still see smoking Hiluxs 😂
I see lots of comments on this Ute being outdated with minimal tech, this was the case with this thing over 5 years ago.
I understand that people love the Hilux but I hope at somepoint the sales starts to decline because I don't think Toyota will release the next-gen because the Hilux is still sellable but I can't wait for the next gen I hope it will be released sometime next year.
Got mine 2 weeks ago love it.
It would be interesting to see a traction control comparison between a manual and an automatic vehicle. I've got a manual hilux, and the traction control works far more effectively in these situations than any of the Car Expert tests have displayed over the years.
What year lux mate?
@@simonappleton752 2019
@@simonappleton752 2019
@@simonappleton752 2019
Great review! Just bought the Rogue 48v :)
I would have loved to see if the 48v Rogue would of completed that hill-climb with just its traction control system.
If they just added constant all wheel drive then it would be the perfect ute for me 🙂
After driving constant AWD Ute you just don't wanna step back.
twisty roads, towing or wet weather AWD makes a huge improvement.
oh and it cuts back tyre wear.
I'm hanging onto my Amarok until it falls apart.
the 40/60 split AWD is a weapon on the twisty stuff
Toyota just announced there making a full electric hilux with BYD
I respectfully disagree that Toyota are "doing it the smart way". They're doing it, to be as polite as I can, the disappointing way. So disappointing that my next car won't be a Toyota, which will be a first for me.
This is the equivalent of the Hilux Conquest in the Philippines, although not a hybrid and the variant in the Philippines already got an updated infotainment screen.
The triton you referenced was in 4h so not the same as 4l
Hi Paul when are you reviewing the New Prado?
your course for the hill test is not consistent , the surface on the hill in the hilux review is much more firm, compared to the triton review, ill also point out that the triton tires was caked in mud vs the hilux review , you can literally see the threading on the wheel when the you attempted to do the hill test from the middle. your reviews are excellent , but i am just pointing out my observation
i looked at the triton and hilux back to back. i am pretty sure if the triton tires had less mud caked on it would have made it up, also it is evident that the hilux comes with better tires from the factory
I don't understand the acceptance of the vast differences between performance without acknowledging differences in atmospheric conditions and manufacturing tolerances. There is no way you have enough data to eliminate random errors sufficient to provide a verdict. Car performance can change from AM to PM let alone between different cars and different days/months/years!
Question is does this version of hybrid meet new standards, I am glad to see a diesel in hybrid doesn't make sense when diesel does far better kms etc over petrol.
Diesels use almost no fuel at idle, so pretty pointless. Tech tutor told auto tech class that a diesels can idle for one minute on the same amount of fuel required to start.
Our 2017 Hilux SR5 done high 7's to low 8 Litres per hundred K's for the 4 years we owned it. New Ranger V6 does exactly the same but with 185 KW and 600 Nm of torque.
Scheduled service on a Ranger includes a new motor or gearbox.
Geez that’s expensive! I’m looking at a new Ute in New Zealand and at this point it’s out of reach lol 😂
Toyota really went out of their way to update this… What a joke. Wonder if it comes with a free handbag and set of heels.
😂😂😂
Hope they actually put new engine in the next Hilux or give us a choice
Hope the new 2.4 turbo petrol hybrid in the Tacoma comes here
my car sr5 last year model with smm canopy and full of tools like drop saw table saw and bunch of stuff fully loaded try up to ceiling doing 9.6 per 100 maximum 10/100 kms . srf is lighter thats why rogue is bigger and wider more heavier . would love to see srf fuel average . thanks
No hybrid . V6 ....Toyota...you are on the wrong way.
Hybrid is coming next year with the new gen presumably
tundras coming out with the v6 so they’ll keep the diesels and maybe later the 2.4 from the states
19:06 actually a significant decrease in time, increase in performance though!
Could you please make a comparison test between GR version and Rogue version, which is doing better?
I would like to see this also. Have a six month old GR Sport, absolutely love it. Also have a 105 series Landcruiser, fully kitted out. Will be selling the Landcruiser.
But how does it compare against the Ford Ranger in the price range?
@CarExpert Foton Tunland/Mars V7 and V9 are mild hybrids.. They may be a competitor in this type of tech.. :)
Toyota is giving the tech a trial run before the next model launces
Such a pitty they don’t have the new entertainment system.
Kind of pointless when they have a new generation coming next year
Why does this model have so big wheel archers? And where do i get them? Usually Invincible/Sport only having the small ones in europe?
Sir can you please compare Hyundai Palisade and Ford Everest. plz plz
Dude! The Wildtrack X came out first before this thing. You going to review it ?!
I just purchased one of these… now trying to work out where the DCM is so I can rip it out :(
I’m still not sure how they can call it a Hybrid. It appears that it just has start stop functionality.
Toyota don’t call it a hybrid
@@ryanlane4 well it’s referred to a hybrid or a mild hybrid in this video. Either way, very misleading or most likely these journalists are being told to call it this by the motor company.
Is it the camera that's poor quality or the actual screen video quality??
Camera is garbage
There’s better camera quality in an old Nokia 3310 and that doesn’t even have a camera…. It’s trash.
Missed talking about the assisted tail gate that every reviewer kept banging on about, also does it really have another 12kw & 65nm? thats 162kw & 565nm, will perform better than the GR then at 165kw & 550nm?
The real question is if it'll pass the "Moose Test"? 🤔
I haven't seen any Moose in Australia since the Thylacine killed them off.
Please do the review of SR5 48V in Graphite. It lost all its chrome shiny bits, as it was in the previous version, and have everything blacked out now... So Sad..
0-100km/hr in 10.42 seconds? Yikes this thing is slow. The interior looks like a vehicle from 10 years ago. Honestly cannot believe this is considered "new". Yet it will sell. So odd.
Wait so the 2024 hilux only has hybrid option? No 100% combustion engine option?
Going to do the same towing test for the MV Triton?
You mean a Ford sponsored towing test lol
Yes, Ford sponsored a Toyota review… 🙄
Need a snorkel for that ‘river’ crossing 😂
Was really concerned he wasn't going to make. Sighed when he got across the other side....
Do people still buy these vintage UTEs, I thought only mine sites bought them now
I'd still prefer my 2003 3LTD. Done over 400,000kms so just finished running it in.
was gonna say the two wheel drive test is useless considering all 2wd’s come with diff lock from factory (or atleast the nzd ones do)
my one is none hybrid. only issue i am having is the steering wheel pulls you on left if you take off your hands .. once you bring it back to center of the road then it will go slightly on right .... engine is just bit loud not smooth as i was expecting model 2024 SR5 Cruiser
My 2010 has done 730k im trying to kill it before i get a 2025 but its not working.
At least this thing has a camera, my 2006 Hilux SR doesn’t even have one 😂😂
Are you guys going to review the new GWM hybrid ute?
Haven't they already done 2 ?
@@dnomyarnostaw I think those were the Cannon diesel variants. They have a new hybrid model called the Alpha.
@@sonofamountie I just watched the "2024 GWM Tank 300 hybrid (on/off-road) review:" Is that not it ?
@@dnomyarnostaw Yeah I saw that one.
But no, I'm talking about the new GWM hybrid ute called the Alpha. Their website says it is available now. Was just interested in seeing what Paul and the team thought of it.
@@sonofamountie Aha, I just looked them up. Good to know, as they are in the style I am looking for. I look forward to hearing more about them t oo.
Hey Paul
I hate to tell you but the new BYD shark is way further in tech than this and the Raptor. Can’t wait til it comes to OZ.
I want to fit the bull bar on my new Hilux (this model), Any suggestions? Which brand is the best and fits?
I hope Toyota does make changes for 2025 model
If you’re wading through water, would water get into the cab??
Toyota is quite confusing with its hybrid applications. Completely different approaches when comparing their car's hybrid system to the truck's. According to Toyota, when they had launched the tundra hybrid in North America, they focus more on delivering quite more overall power to the truck than efficiency. That didn't stop buyers from assuming that the mpg would be a lot better than the regular truck.
Also, I've read the press release on this truck and Toyota said that you'll most likely see their claimed fuel economy, if the vehicle is mostly driven in urban or off-road conditions.
So far, I see no value in getting this truck. You're not getting more power for the money, the efficiency only matters if you're doing urban or off-road driving, so forget about seeing any reduced mpg figures if you're doing any highway miles. The interior looks like crap for a +$50k (US), 2024 vehicle. It's better to wait for the 2025 model.
Hey Paul, can you please do a review of a new face lift 2024 SR hilux ! 48v or not it doesn’t matter