Lucid Air's Big Range Allows Us To Skip Full Charging Stations - Range vs Charging Speed
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Tijmen and Kyle head on a road trip to visit Nxu in the Lucid Air Grand Touring - Typically we love fast charging EVs on this channel but occasionally a city is just far enough where you may be able to stretch it without stopping - that's exactly what we did on this trip from Pasadena, California to Phoenix, Arizona
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Circle K would make a killing if they had a big DCFC installation in their store in Blythe, CA along I-10.
I have always wanted the option to spec a very long-range model. Another great place to show the importance of range is driving east across I-80 in WY in the winter. In fact, that would be a good test for you to head up to Cheyenne and over to Rock Springs in the winter. Short of towing I can't think of a tougher test for an EV in the US. An additional point is no one wants to wait in Laramie or Rock Springs with the winds howling why you charge.
No one wants to charge outside the home, anywhere.
Longer range should mean less charge cycles and longer battery life. Also you should be able to charge at home more because of the longer range.
thank you so much for showing/talking about the Quartzite issue. I brought this up a couple of years ago when everyone was saying that the ID4 was such a great road trip car.. I saw the writing on the wall in Quartzite. Tesla not only 32 superchargers in Quartzite but another 8 down the road in Ehrenberg, AZ. if you can't use the tesla chargers, you need a Lucid to get across the desert.. but when it's 122 degrees out there, you may want to crank on the AC
This is what we need more of, longer ranged vehicles. Think about when most people travel: for holidays.
Specifically Christmas & Thanksgiving when you want to get there in time, but the charging stations will all be busy. Having the extra range means you can either get there in one go with stops for stretch & pee not limited to charger locations. Or for longer drives, or range limiting weather, skip the worst stops that will give you the longest delays.
NO chargers! range is $$ and hurts efficiency. we are ALREADY in a world where 0-80% is done is 12-14 minutes. teh CHARGERS are teh issue now.
Right. Ppl say "Don't you have to stop and pee" As an excuse for not having more range. But, What if you don't want to stop at a charging station vs. Stopping somewhere else. Anywhere else.
used to live 90s from your start point. so nice.
You can get some pretty incredible range even with a Tesla Model 3 Performance. I got 218 Wh/mi for 209 miles with my M3P on 18” wheels and PZ4 summer tires while averaging 62.7 mph. That would be 362 miles on a full charge. Being able to disable regen with the S3XY buttons when coasting down hills helps with efficiency but drafting can make a huge difference as well.
TESLA model 3 RWD is MOST Efficient car on EARTH , over 132 mpg.
@@markplott4820 I believe there is a Lucid version that is more efficient now. They are both pretty good though.
@@markplott4820 the long range or that with the LFP
@@faithosadebe5293 - both the China LFP model 3 & FREMONT RWD are very Efficient.
@@LearningFast - NOPE, there is NO version of the Looocid air that is MORE efficient.
it's , still too HEAVY .
the air PURE is little lighter, as it has 50kwh battery removed, but is only 400 mi range like the Superior model S LR.
I still think the bigger range it has, the better. However, the charging speed is another topic. Comparing 2 cars with same charging speed, but one with shorter range, another one can go longer. You have a choice to not charge to full in longer range while you need to get as much as you can charge in shorter range. Especially if you go/live in somewhere infrastructure is not very EV supportive is brutal.
Heads up !!!! I would not recommend going below 10 miles of range I was left stranded 2 block from an electrify America charging station with 10 miles of range.
Lucid would not help as far as a tow . And said they do not provide toes because of range problems, which I find unacceptable.
Well, I hope they aren't providing "toes", lol.
Now the test you need to do it’s difference in timing going fast and stopping to charge and no stops eco driving time difference (perhaps comparing it with a gas car) I traveled from
SLC TO VEGAS ⛽️ & 🔋 and only saw in timing like 15 - 20 min advantage on the gas vehicle
Great stuff, Kyle! When do you think you'll be tackling your next car segment comparison video on Out of Spec Reviews?
12:40 Not sure that was a REX i3. Couldn't see a fuel filler flap on the front. 🤷♂️
A 400 miled rwd midsized sedan would be the sweet spot for me.
Just saw a video with the CEO of Electrify America doing his «Cannon Ball Run» coast to coast. Nice short video.
Love the Polestar 1 in the background! They’re never getting it back ;)
Great video as always. Hey Kyle, have you seen where some states are considering an annual EV fee to make up the gas taxes for the $'s for road and bridge maintenance. What's your thoughts. I feel they're going to go overboard with the amount they're considering. Texas is $200/yr. Pennsylvania $290/yr
We get that next year here in the U.K.,EV’s will be charged an annual Vehicle Excise fee of £160pa - regardless of the EV battery size/ price of the car. Crazy thing is my sister has a 2016 Honda Jazz 1.4 and “because of it low emissions” it pays only £10pa………… go figure. I will be paying that £160pa on my Mini Cooper S E BEV………..which presently is zero VED rated because of its low emissions!
Georgia always does this
Many states already do this, I pay around $90/year in VA. They also charge any vehicle with an average MPG over 25 a fee that is variable depending on how high the rated MPG is.
It's $150/yr here in Saskatchewan, a penalty just for BEVs.
@@InternetDude who collect the money for the ev tax in Saskatchewan? Would it be paid through SGI?
Time to see NACS options on the New, yes, that would rock and Ford, Tesla and who knows who else can join the reliable DC charging points!
Please review teh new RZ when you can. and TEST it. Lexus says max of 3 dc fast charges per 12 hrs with a 6hr lockout in between
My Dad taught me to drive holding the wheel very steady my Bolt the other day told me to grab the steering wheel problem was I was hanging on to it the whole time.
You guys are on to something in this video need more content showing actual trips you can do without using the infrastructure and showing how to charge at the hotels. Non stop trips are what people want and its especially helpful when not in a Tesla because of the infrastructure but even in a Tesla these would be preferred ways to trip non stop.
Longer range>faster charging all day long. For me; driving to Cleveland and back for work I’d have to stop for a short charge in my Model 3. A lucid I wouldn’t have to. Charging at home only for probably 99% of my driving with that car.
Thinking more and more about a gas car in the garage not only for road trips but perhaps an emergency exit vehicle where there is no time to charge.
In my Bolt 75% of the stations working fine is great.
Are there any alternative 350KW chargers to EA?
Range is a handy tool all the time and quick charging is the only thing needed to supplement the journey if your lacking the total miles needed. To your point you just have to strategize the total infrastructure between A and B to minimize the fallacies of EA and others.🤷🏻 34:16
Why doesn't the EPA update their ratings? Seems we can all agree that we don't get useful information out of what's generally used.
How did the glass roof do to protect you from that Arizona Heat???
I LOVE DOTS PRETZELS (not the point of the video but was so happy when you showed them hahaha)
😂the cat generator in the background! Are they a real company?
When you got to Phoenix hiw long did it take you to charge the lucid, and what kilowatt was it charged at. Also with Tesla opening up it's charging stations to non Tesla I don't think road trips will be a big problem.
What was the top charging speed?
Did that tang really beat that car or did you let it go? Or is this not the performance model
This is my thing. Most ppl say you don't need 500 miles of range for road trips. My thing is, More range equal less charging equals less degradation to your batteries equals you can keep the car for longer equals you save money in the long run. I personally want 500 miles of range before I look at an EV. It will happen it'll just take time.
but that same range ads $50k to the price.
@@duramaxadventures5832 It doesn't have to. As Battery Technology increases the cost will shift down as they find more efficient ways to produce them. Also the potential of adding solar panels to the vehicles to add more range. I dont think its coming from Tesla anytime since Elon has stated he prefers smaller batteries. But Overtime We should be getting more range and prices should be set to accommodate more ppl as well. Im personally not looking at EV until the Range Amount I want is there and FSD is a Real Thing, out of Beta and on by default, 1000% working correctly. Those are my Criteria others might think differently and thats fine.
And you can often skip the nightmare of CCS charging in general with that range.
1:00 Skip the LINE🎉
Lol. Where is it legal to drive 85? If you get caught going 87 where im at, you get your car impounded and you catch a stunt driving case with license suspension.😅
I consistantly get 470 miles of range (with the large wheels) on my 2022 Air GT, and normally charge up when I get to 40 mile left. Now that doesn't mean I don't get that 40, You still get it, you just don't use it cause you are charging.
Still, range does only matter because the chargers are too scarce and the stations too small.
I agreed when you said that charging is more important than range. But I mat add that range is a convenience, more than a need, if there were more stations.
Do Tesla folks wait in line at a 10, 20 or 30 chargers station?
They might be waiting if it's a busy weekend or a holiday. I've seen superchargers where there's been lines forming before.
depends, teh ones that get free supercharging do since then teh miles are free.
In many of the videos you are no longer with your Apple Watch Ultra. What happened to the watch?
In my opinion a-lot of the technological effort should be focused on making charging faster. As fast or nearly as fast as gas.
I like the range because the cold weather here nukes the range and I need it
I like my Model 3, but I don't like it when I'm driving 80mph in 19f weather and can only get 125mi on an 80% charge. The Lucid is probably the only EV that truly matches the ability of an ICE car to drive 80mph for up to 250mi in any weather on a single charge.
Lucid is pretty good if we compare the value per dollar but it is just ridiculous how expensive is it in Europe. In the US you can get one for 100k USD and in the EU the Grand I am comparing costs 166k EUR if you convert it it is 88k USD more.
What is the average cost to charge one of these Lucid Airs from empty to full?
That is sadly a very complicated question. The rates for public charging vary widely.
How many times would a gas car have to refuel if this was one? Does anyone know?
My suv has a 44 gallon tank, it gets about 516 miles on a single tank of gas. I would able to make this trip without having to stop.
@@Superman-xr1oh So your car is 516/44 = about 12 mpg? That seems so low...
@@be236 Of course, it's a 3/4 ton suv.
@@Superman-xr1oh ah got it, makes sense.
@@be236 Yeah, it's highly inefficient for sure. It's basically a gigantic box on wheels.
Imagine this car as a SW
21:35 WELCOME to phx drivers surprised she didn't just keep doing what she was doing when you honked teh horn
"Now Bobby, when I say you hit the accelerator you hit that pedal, okay?" "Uhh, sure thing boss." "Too soon Bobby, too soon!"
I drive 63 mph in my Bolt 5 miles per kWh.
MPGe HIGHWAY is all that matters! see ionic 5 vs ionic 6
What most people miss if you have 516 mile range and it's your everyday car. the car would have to be charged less frequently there for less stress and less wear and tear on the battery . Battery should last longer
Pasadena? Did you turn into Leonard Hofstetter (joke) 😂?
Is there gonna be a GMC Hammer EV road trip because I think the Hammer EV is a very interesting car
bad math at 15:33
350 miles is the sweet spot. Vast majority of people wont need all that range, so youd just be hauling around hundreds of lbs of battery daily with little use and major suspension and tire wear.
A legitimate 350 would be perfect for me.
That Polestar1 is a REALLY good looking car
I was watching this video in a car and a lucid air passed me.
12:00 I’m a fan; however, every single time I see you guys drinking and handling the phone, just makes me crazy; either stop or give the phone to someone else…
I don't think you are saving as much time as you believe by driving 80 miles per hour compared to 70 especially if you can make it without charging going 70 miles per hour. 400 mile trip at 80 miles per hour its 5 hours + the time of charge that you will need. 400 miles at 70 miles per hour is 5 hours and 45 min. This might work out to about 15 maybe 20 min of time savings. at. 80 miles per hour but with the added hassle of finding a usable charger and hoping there is no line to wait in. This is also over a 400 mile trip. The average vacation road travel is 314 miles one way and the less the miles the less the time savings by driving fast. In California where I am most of our vacation road trips are less than 300 miles one way. To get people to adopt faster they have to know they can get places without having to charge even though they may still charge, the thought in mind that there is no need to charge is what is needed to be known. The ability to know you can get to your destination/Hotel without using a charger will also free up the chargers for people who actually do need those chargers because they are on a much longer trip. The convenience of knowing you have the range to get from home area to a destination hotel along with the process of getting your charging parking space at the hotel would be great content for all EV owners. I know driving slow is boring to you so maybe Max or your dad could do these types of videos.
Drive slow'er' and safer. Range is a benefit.
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO LUCID FAMILY ADDING ON AND HOLDING STRONG HOLD THE LINE EVERYONE STAY FOCUSED AND DISCIPLINE HARD WORK DEDICATION 🙋♂️❤️🥳🥳🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😉👍
What?
Lucid GT & Model 3P owner here. Range is the most important criteria period! Lucid got it right. I most likely have the highest mileage privately owned Lucid Air on the planet with almost 30K miles driven and can say with confidence that having 516miles is incredible. We never have to charge at a DC fast chargers. It’s like trying to convince family/friends that EV’s are better. I can’t. You won’t know until you actually own one. Not sorry!
Lucid GT is way too expensive for a lot of people though. That's the only problem. That 516 mile range is great, but like Kyle said, the real world range is closer 430 miles. Still pretty darn good though.
I'm also skeptical that Lucid will even be around in the next few years. What happens if they go under? I would be weary buying such an expensive car from a brand new startup that may, or may not be around in the future.
I agree having more range is always nice, but in a BEV that comes at a HUGE cost. We take 3 maybe 4 LONG road trips a year and I couldn't justify spending all that money for those 3 or 4 use cases. I'd rather have an efficient BEV tied to a great charging network. So I'm using the GRID as my storage battery. And being 70 we have to stop for BIO breaks well before our Model Y needs to. The difference in price is what $60K. I have better things to do with my retirement income.
Very smart
Tesla model 3 RWD is MORE Efficient & LIGHTER weight.
over 132+ mpg , more than ANY other.
and it can Charge to 1000 mph @ 250 kw Superchargers .
I still think the most economical way drive electric is to buy a Bolt for your daily driving. Then, for faraway trips, fly somewhere closer to the destination and rent a Tesla to take you the rest of the way. While Tesla cars are expensive to own, they have actually become quite cheap to rent, with a model 3 now going for about the same daily/weekly rate as a compact gas car (even a model Y doesn't cost any more to rent nowadays than a gas powered SUV). You still get supercharger access on your out of town trips, and an airplane will carry you the really big distances much faster than any car ever will. But, instead of plopping down $40k for a model 3 (or, worse, $100k for a Lucid) for just driving around town, you can pay only $25k and be done with it. And the Bolt's 250 mile range is still enough to go to a lot of regional destinations without needing to CCS charge at all, as long as you have access to a home charger.
@@markplott4820 No thanks. Wake me up when they have a LFP blade battery.
@@ab-tf5fl Or you could spend half that or more for a better car. Bigger batteries don't make sense without at least 90kw charging coupled with battery heating etc.
This video is bad advertisement for Lucid Air, since the trip of Pasadena to Phoenix is less than 400 miles, while Lucid claims a 450 to over 500 mile range, the ride should of had zero range anxiety. With anxiety the Lucid arrived in Phoenix with only 6 miles left. Pay almost half the price and get a Cadillac Lyriq which has fast charging and a over 300 mile range. Lucid, and Rivian are way way over priced
I have a Model S Plaid, so I'm not an EV hater, but I have said it for over a decade: When EVs have 1000km of real range, as in; highway speed driving, in the cold, then there will be no upsides for an ICE as a daily driver. That means long road trips without having to waste time at a DC charger, that means amazing charging speed for 400km-ish of real world range (when you do need to stop for that one insane road trip, or you don't have charging at your destination), that means a lot of pre-heating of cabin, and driving in the winter, without having to charge it every 3-4 days when you have barley driven the car. I love my Plaid, and even when I charge it at work 5/7 days a week to 90%, it's still at the lower side of SOC if I do a bit of small driving during the weekend. Like 2 total hours of driving + sentry mode since Friday and I was at 20% SOC today. If this was the winter, I would probably have to charge it before today.
I don't think we'll see big range EVs until battery tech comes through with a new break through technology.
Toyota allegedly has been testing solid state batteries since 2010...
I just do not get the need for everyone wanting to speed around everywhere. Even here you talk about using radar detectors and are so blasé about breaking the laws while being in “efficient” cars. The faster you go the more juice you use and the sooner you have to plug in. Also I am guessing most of the electricity being put into these vehicles is not renewable and will not be for a long time.
paul wall drives slow
So its obvious that reliable infrastructure and reasonable large batteries are the future. Until that happens, by a Tesla! 😂😂😂
Or, if you take only a few road trips a year, buy any EV you want. Most of your charging is going to be at home anyways.