As with most of my videos, it’s a long one! So here’s the TLDW if you don’t want to waste 45 minutes listening to me blabbering: - Software improvements continue to be my largest takeaway from the early cars. Not in terms of features like dream drive or car play, things that should have launched with the vehicle, but stability. - Driving dynamics are Lucid’s highlight for me. Slap on the 21” set and have some fun in the canyons - it’s impressive what this car can do considering it’s not even the GT-P - Niggles such as the key proximity unlocking / locking cycling when standing near the vehicle, high pitched noises when headlights are on, seat motors cogging, loose fitting trim pieces, are all areas that show this is still their first model and leave room for improvement in future product - This car is built for range and you can expect a solid 400 miles at reasonable highway speeds with the aero wheels. However, for trips longer than that you have to rely on crippling infrastructure that truly sucks. A Tesla / gas is a better long distance choice due to the recharging nightmares we’ve had with this car’s partner charging networks. With that said, I’d suggest going for a smaller battery lucid and enjoying the driving dynamics closer to home unless you have a city situated 350-400 miles away that you travel to often. - Overall the software improvements have lead to a stable experience over my 7,000 miles with the car, service is truly fantastic, and driving the car is no question an elevated driving experience when compared with my Model S Plaid - just wish it could charge as seamlessly as that vehicle. Hope this helps save you some time from watching the full video!
@@kennyb123 I’ll do chapters when I have clear sections - upcoming videos for example will have chapters where we have segments. Otherwise this is just a filler piece of content that’s not that important if people watch and is scrambled around tbh
Kyle, I am a 68 year old woman who purchased my Lucid Grand Air in October 22. I do not plan on taking a long road trip. I purchased the car because I love cars & I thought this car is a looker & I love the fact that I can blow the doors off almost all cars except maybe the Tesla Plaid. Have not met up with one yet!
The turn signal stalk cancel function follows exactly how turn signals have worked for decades, young fella. Sincerely, an old guy who probably can't hear the high-pitched headlight issue you spoke of.
The charging curve thing is misunderstood here. When the Lucid has charged to 50% it has already taken on as much energy as a Model 3 long range holds at a full 80% charge. In Kyle's example a Lucid charged to 40% has already taken on more stored energy than a base Ionic 5 holds at 80%. The bottom end of the Lucid's charge curve piles on 2 hours of non-Cannonball range in just minutes. I seldom charge the Lucid beyond 50% (an easy 200 miles) when on a trip unless I stop for lunch or something and just let it keep charging. Kyle is dead right about the driving dynamics. My Air GT is a joy to drive. I have traveled to some of my favorite twisties to give it a good ol' flogging. Raw power can be intimidating but the Lucid handles power and speed with a heavy dose of competence. World class suspension calibration and butter smooth throttle response. I appreciate that the various modes actually change settings, not just throttle response. Sprint stiffens the suspension, reduces brake and steering boost for better feel, and reduces regen (still best to set regen to Low when driving hard anyway to reduce heat buildup). Some chargers do take patience. I don't get as frustrated as Kyle when a charger is a bit slower than advertised or I have to call EA's 800 number to get a charger reset. It really helps to plan your trip, checking charging stations with the lucid app. EA's app will say some chargers are good that simply will not work with the Lucid. EA isn't like Tesla, but then again, I'm not stuck with driving a Tesla. For me that's a win.
As a seven month owner of an AGT with 9,000 miles and one 2,000 cross country trip to Denver. I competely agree with your assessment. His father made a wise choice buying used, but I bought at the initial offerring price so all in after the credit thought that it was a fair deal. The car has brilliant suspension and power delivery, is a joy to drive on mountain twisties in VT and NH, and is solid on the Interstates where 18 wheelers abound. EA charging worked 100% of the time for my cross country mostly located at Walmarts not far from the Interstates. No, they rarely delivered even close th the 350 kWh advertised even at low SOC, but my dog and I had time to walk a bit so no problem. (I was not in a race so charging time was no big deal.) Kyle's comment about being stuck behind Walmarts for EA charging was a bit gratituous in my view. They were never busy for me so yea for Walmart. The nav system falls short for trip planning and charging so I had to use the ABRP app and the EA site for EA locations and status. Kyle's comments are mostly spot on. He reluctantly acknowledges that the AGT is probably the best large sedan extant. That is a lot for him to admit given his apparent affinity for Tesla and his perspective with other high end sedans. I do not share Kyle's assessment of the AGT as only a long distance driver. Yes, it is a large car, but its turning radius is relatively tight and it has lots of space so it is eay to store things in it. Room for a full size spare in the frunk is unique, for most sedans in its class have zero space for a full sized spare.
@@andrewparrillo7475 Sorry I missed your comment when you posted. I've been driving my AGT since April of '22. My experience has been similar to yours. Given my personal experience I now generally disregard Kyle and co. since I can benchmark their experience with my own. In the ways that really matter the Lucid Air is perhaps the best luxury sedan an owner/driver can buy today.
I am trying to decide between a Pure and a GT. I love to drive, but probably take only 3 long (i.e.700 miles) trips per year. Right now. Lucid started a sale which lowers the price of their different trims a lot. I had a lease ready to sign, but with the new pricing on the Pure lease, I will save $13.5K. Or I could spend an additional $20.5K. I like the creature comforts of the GT, the extended range (very important), and the power. But the Pure is nothing to sneeze at. I figure in 3 years Lucid will have more offerings, the price point may be lowered permanently (wishful thinking). Any advice? I liked your comment a lot. It was extremely helpful to me. I am a 73 year old female, so I have to take into consideration things like having to charge at night. (My apartment building has 16 Blink (formerly SemaConnect) chargers so I am good as long as I am just puttering around town. Any thoughts?
@@annalbin I too have mostly been 'puttering around' in the heat of this summer. I charge the car in my garage every two weeks or so and it works fine. I love my GT, any Lucid will be better at longer trips than almost any other EV. The big battery GT does make long trips even easier, but the main reason to get a GT is the nicer trim and the huge waves of power it can deliver. I suspect the Pure has more power than most drivers will ever use and should be pretty well equipped, but I haven't seen one in person. I love the GT's glass roof but that would be no good if always parking outside.
@@Miata822 Thank you for taking time to reply. The Pure is fun to drive - sort of like my first Miata. I guess the weight of the battery pack is centered similarly to a mid engine sports car. Also, the Pure offers a gorgeous color (Fantom Blue) which is not offered on any other trim. I watched another Kyle vid where he compared the differences in handling between the 19” and 21” wheels. Lucid offers 20” wheels, I don’t know if that would be the best or worst of both worlds. Probably the worst ( ie worst mileage and not holding in aggressive driving). Man, did Lucid present an interesting car. Road car or performance car?
I've owned my Air GT since November, I use it both as a daily driver and road tripping. It's a wonderful car. I love driving it. Road trips are its forte.
Glad I'm not the only one freaked about a manufacturer having unfettered access to the cabin camera and can watch me 24/7. Haha. Great video as always Kyle.
Agree... It IS creepy.. But then at the same time.. we are all walking around with phones that could and probably are doing the same.. They ARE listening to you ... even when your not asking it to do a task. I have had conversations with someone... next day or two .. I am getting ads or info about the topic we were discussing.. but did not do a web search on.
Tesla was doing this exact thing. Some cheeky Tesla contractors were monitoring and sharing photos from Elon's personal Tesla in his garage. I wouldn't be surprised if other smart car companies did similar shenanigans.
Kyle, you really need to hold yourself out as a consultant to EV manufacturers. You’ve got the experience and the expertise to tell them what they need to do to get it right. Most just don’t have the experience to point their engineers in the right direction.
I disagree with you. Yes, in some regards, great consultation would make a better car. But in many, MANY others, they're not looking to make a better car than a Tesla, for example. They're just looking to make their "me too" EV, so that when someone's car dies, they're sick of the high cost of gas and want to switch to an EV, all of these manufacturers can say, "We've got an EV too!" and they're hoping the average consumer isn't savvy enough to know which one is best. If you're a loyal Honda customer, for example, and Honda comes out with their EV, you might just buy it without knowing anything else.
The initial market, large luxury sedan EV is small. They should have gone with a mid size SUV EV. I have a GT-Performance, an amazing car but it's a niche product.
Very fair review. I have an Air GT for almost a year now, 16K miles and have done many road trips. While yes the DCFC network is frustrating, this car is still the best place to be when dealing with those frustrations, and given the superior range it allows you to skip a charging stop or find another charger in case your first choice didn’t work out, so in my opinion it’s the ONLY EV road trip option that isn’t a Tesla. It seems crazy to drive a less comfortable less premium worse handling more cheaply built Tesla on road trips just because that network is more reliable than EA.
Well, in fairness the price point of a Tesla compared to these Lucid models should give drivers some acceptance of the less premium experience. I have to think that, at least in large part, the massive depreciation on a Lucid is due to drivers realizing that any kind of range anxiety in a premium luxury car isn’t worth it. It kind of feels like these companies are at the mercy of the US government getting their shit together (against huge ICE companies that have little desire to see that happen quickly) or Tesla upgrading their current infrastructure so all EVs can use their stations. Not an awesome position to be in.
Same in every respect. Love my AGT. Once people get to experience it they will understand. It's like nothing else. MotorTrend was right to call it not Tesla 2.0 but CAR 2.0 Lucid is touring the country now to show the car and give test rides. That will work.
I don't know if it's crazy to arrive at a charger and just charge at the correct speed and for the correct amount of time and continue on. That's why we got a Model X Plaid and didn't even consider any of the other options even though by cost every single other EV on the market was a possibility for us. I don't really think driving is that interesting so I would much rather turn on FSD and get from point A to point B in a very comfortable car and not have to needlessly spend more time driving around to look for chargers or whatever. Though I will say that the range of the Lucid is simply amazing and would possibly make me not have to charge at all for the usual road trip distance I drive. So that is a very useful feature. But cross country trips I would never do in anything but a gas car or a Tesla. I don't want to waste time and make my wife pissed that we have to go find another charge or spend twice as long charging than the car had expected to based on the "rated" charging speed.
@@kriskros91 you’re correct, it’s not crazy at all to expect charging to just work as well as Tesla’s network. I’ve used the MagicDock on the Lucid so I know. That handshake was faster than EA, even though the charging itself was slow because of the car’s 900v architecture. The point though is most of the time you’re probably not DC fast charging your car but home charging/commute/L2 charging, and when you buy a car you’re not just buying a charging experience. For me, where I road trip maybe 5-6 times a year, I’ll put up with EA inconsistency (sometimes EA has been great and when it is it’s actually better than Tesla network, 301kw peak speed for me!), and the other 330 or so days a year I’m driving a car I like much better than the Tesla I’ve driven. But yes depending on one’s needs the Tesla might be the better choice, I just don’t think it’s fair to say “your only road trip EV option is Tesla” only because EA is less reliable. I’ve used EVGo, Chargepoint, etc, it can be done just fine it’s just a bit more annoying.
Love the video... the Cannonball was epic... Don't really understand the hate on the EA stations being at Walmart?? When EA partnered with them... it was Pre-Pandemic.. and MOST Walmarts were open 24hrs... seems like a good match.. Charge your car.. go inside, can walk and stretch... get snacks and drinks, and bathrooms, and even hot food at many of them. Seems better than an empty parking lot with nothing around. Post Pandemic.. after 10-11PM they are closed now.. So that kinda sucks.
Love my Air GT. I’ve had issues with charging and even a major issue. However with the software updates, the customer service I really don’t have many complaints. Also being honked at to give thumbs ups, flagged to stop by curious drivers, mouth drops, and general praises (even a little jealousy from people who know me). It’s worth every lost minute charging and small glitches.
Nicely done. I agree with your review (though there are a few more little things I'd like to see from Lucid sooner than later .. easy entry/exit, persistent homelink connections, preserved auto-high beams, video storage, sentry mode, pet mode, valet mode, etc.). Also, the "bubble" issue w/ the 21" Pirelli PZero performance tires is a constant worry .. especially for road-trips. The 19" All Season tires were definitely a good choice. PS I didn't realize that @outofspecdave1554 was your father .. I've enjoyed several of his videos ever since I saw him drive around my parents' "neck of the woods"
Great review, very thorough! … no skimping on your Dad (a.k.a OOSD … America’s dad) please also include paint upgrade in your detailing from Colton before you give back to your Dad. You have put a lot of hard miles on it … the least you can do 😊
Great review. Absolutely agree about driver assistance hugging the right line. I feel like it actually has a magnet pushing you toward a truck when passing. Hope they can update via software.
I covered my Model 3 camera day 1. Didn’t even make it out of the driveway. After some of the recent revelations of what Tesla has done with those videos, seems as if I was right to do so. Totally get why you did that Kyle.
The large battery for me was a non-starter. Back seat comfort is greatly compromised, especially for longer drives. I reserved a Pure, but am letting it go because the charging network just isn't good enough for a chauffeur transportation service. I have an occasional day where I drive 650 miles. I drive all over the Northeast and I can't do it without optimal charging. The Pure and Touring is much more comfortable in back...
I am trying to decide between a Pure and a GT. I love to drive (my other car is a 911), but probably will take only 3 long (i.e.700 miles) trips per year. Lucid started a sale which lowers the price of their different trims a lot. I had a 36 month lease on a Pure ready to sign, but with the new pricing on the Pure lease, I will save $13.5K. Or I could spend an additional $20.5K to go with the GT. I like the creature comforts of the GT, the extended range (very important), and the power. But the Pure is nothing to sneeze at. I figure in 3 years Lucid will have more offerings, the price point may be lowered permanently (wishful thinking). Any advice? I liked your comment a lot. It was extremely helpful to me. I am a 73 year old female, so I have to take into consideration things like having to charge at night. My apartment building has 16 Blink (formerly SemaConnect) chargers so I am good as long as I am just puttering around town. Any thoughts?
Thank you so much. I had intended to buy an Air but the issues in the first 10k miles have deterred me for now at least, until Lucid refines the product.
Great video Kyle! Man, knock on wood, I've been lucky with my EV6. Never having any experience with Kia before, I would have thought I would have these little annoying issues as well. Of course, now I will :)
I have the EV6 dual motor wind in glacier color. After 1 year, minor stuff bugs me, but this is their first EV6 so I am ok with these issues. I dislike the door handles. I also had the motor in the driver's car seat fail, which was replaced at 3 months. Lastly, I can't stand the "auto" button next to the physical button on the AC/Radio because I accidentally bumped the auto with my finger, and it turns on auto which then changes my air setting, so I have to again adjust to my comfort. They need to improve the AC/radio controls. Otherwise, I absolutely love this car and have had positive comments on it frequently
Great video. Can t wait to check out all the other Lucid videos. Arriving at a charger at 17%, 13%... sounds just about right to me. I don t think I am daring enough to arrive with 3% or so :)
Have you determined what caused Dave’s situation where he started to charge and Lucid had to do an over the air system reset? Was it the charger or the car? Dave delivered it to you and it ran great across the country. Was wondering if an over the air diagnostic was run since then.
Just saw a Lucid Air Sapphire test mule at a charging station a couple days ago (video on my channel). I'd love to have one of these cars. They are so sleek, roomy, and have tons of performance and range. Great all around car.
Wanting the Apple "it just works" experience of luxury alongside the more Android "rough but highly adjustable" doesn't seem fair, even from a high end purchase. Either it's easy for the old rich person to use or you need a PhD in xBox Sciences to figure out how to use the seat warmer. Fixed modes for handling are good. Fixed trip calculations for charging are good. Cutting down on the possibility for edge cases is what leads to bulletproof software that doesn't crash. Adding in complexity increases support costs and risk of software issues. KISS for the win.
Gotta wonder if your dad's fun-filled experience with the non-Tesla charging network on his FL to NJ trip is the reason he got it used with less than 900 miles on the clock.
The guy they bought it from mentioned software was the thing he hates.. He was a software engineer.. and a long time Tesla owner. Personally I can imagine putting more weight on the Software than driving dynamics or interior quality.. The fact the guy only put 800 miles on it kinda proves he does not actually drive much. I want a car.. not a smartphone. Its for driving... not playing on a screen.
Many new 2023 Model Ys are experiencing a similar faint but distinct high pitched noise from the front drive units right now, not present in our earlier models.
@@frumpd63 I’m not skilled enough to make a decision if the bearings sound like inverters. I would guess inverters make the motor squeak, all day every day. I work at a energy company with loads of inverters.
Where is Lucid's vehicle to Load and or Vehicle to Grid. They bragged about these features but I guess they have been delayed? 19.2 kw V to X would be amazing.
22:40 I've done some vacations where I've driven 530 miles in a day before, I'd totally go past this cars range on very rare occasions, granted I wouldn't mind charging a little then but some people will use that range on occasion.
13:00 Would replacing the windscreen REQUIRE a re-calibration of the lane-departure cameras? Believe I read of this requirement for a Lexus automobile.
on teh Air conditioner, wonder if it was already failing when you had it and now the leak has been fixed and has been recharged it may perform better than when you had the car.
After a 10k mile drive, the quirks, good, bad. More details later. Ugly seems to be the charging network partnership or lack thereof. Overall the long distance driving experience was favorable.
So if you like lucid as an idea, want a daily driver but not a road tripper, and aren't a fan of Teslas too much (and don't need super chargers), would you go with something else still?
The government in the United Kingdom has just moved the ban on the production of ICE-only cars from 2030 to 2035. The charging network and infrastructure here are abysmal and a barrier to EV ownership.
I sometimes get Signet surge on my Lightning as well,,,, but it's not as dramatic as what you show in your videos. The issue is not unique to 800V cars, it's just more dramatic. Lucid has no choice but to partner with EA, every other CCS "network" is just a hodgepodge of opportunistic station installations with no design effort around facilitating effective travel.
Does the key have a motion sensor? If you keep the key more still, does it reduce the movement of the doors? My Nissan key has a motion sensor that prevents unintended unlocks. Also, niggles? sounds like another word there
I keep hearing that charging is worse on the west coast than on the east coast. Why is that? Is it the distances on the west coast? Or are the Chargers better quality on the East Coast?
Although the charging infrastructure deserves a lot of blame, Lucid has to take some of it as well. Other 800v EVs don't have nearly as much trouble charging as does the Lucid. It's their first model, so many issues are expected. But not blaming Lucid for some of the charging issues is not helpful for them at all, as they'll never work on it coming to believe it's all on the infrastructure.
BTW - anyone with an EV with remote access cabilities - U better understand - some lonely service person somewhere in the world is 100% watching you and listening to everything you say or do in your car especially if you happen to be attractive at all.
I’m starting to pick up a common theme on EV companies that got their start in tech and not actually making cars that build quality, regardless of the price point, is going to be a challenge. It goes to show that Tesla, for all its build quality issues, so completely nailed the charging network problem that the automakers that have nearly mastered the build of a car can barely compete because they are at the mercy of the government funded mess that is non-Tesla charging. I don’t fault anyone that wants to wait to get an EV because they can’t stand Tesla but aren’t willing to risk the current charging infrastructure.
i am sorry but until the other companies get their act together with a charging network that is as good as Tesla, then it doesn't matter how good the car is, if you don't have a reliable charging network so the only option right now for long distance is Tesla.
As nuch as I enjoy this review, a lot of these complaints really are personal nitpicking preferences that I don't see issues with. Otherwise good review.
It is. Also lacks easy entry/exit functionality which exacerbates the issue. Hopefully, Lucid will provide it (Easy entry/exit) w/ an OTA soon. That said, once inside, it is a great ride that rivals any luxury sedan.
Another excellent review, but I have no idea how you climb into a car that filthy. I know you don't want scratches and I know you have a detail guy, but you know there's this thing called a pressure washer, right? lol I've been on my share of road trips, and I've never had an interior anywhere near that messy.
lucid motors have to come up with cheaper cars or it will die, which is a huge bummer. Smaller city sedans with range of 330 miles, limit the power to 200 hp, while still retaining the acceleration to 5 secs 0-60 mph, but with a price tag of sub USD45k , manufacture core parts in the USA but move the assembly plant in Asia / South America will cut the cost substantially. Right now Lucid is way too expensive and competition is too stiff. Lucid also needs to come up with creative charging solutions to give that extra tech edge over Tesla. I would suggest installing wireless charging tech and running wireless charging parking lots, solar panel roofs on upcoming models and solid state battery tech collaborations with Japan. This will make the range longer, charging faster (wireless charging, wired charging and solar charging all running concurrently) and gives that tech edge over than the Tesla.
Most people want to arrive at a charger with 10-15% left, not 3-5% like you do. And really, who wants to arrive at an EA Charger station with 3% and they’re not working and you have to find another way to charge.
Can’t help but always throw a little shade on the one company that forced everyone to develop EVs and they better bring their “A” game. No one does any of this (all,of it) better than Tesla.
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As with most of my videos, it’s a long one! So here’s the TLDW if you don’t want to waste 45 minutes listening to me blabbering:
- Software improvements continue to be my largest takeaway from the early cars. Not in terms of features like dream drive or car play, things that should have launched with the vehicle, but stability.
- Driving dynamics are Lucid’s highlight for me. Slap on the 21” set and have some fun in the canyons - it’s impressive what this car can do considering it’s not even the GT-P
- Niggles such as the key proximity unlocking / locking cycling when standing near the vehicle, high pitched noises when headlights are on, seat motors cogging, loose fitting trim pieces, are all areas that show this is still their first model and leave room for improvement in future product
- This car is built for range and you can expect a solid 400 miles at reasonable highway speeds with the aero wheels. However, for trips longer than that you have to rely on crippling infrastructure that truly sucks. A Tesla / gas is a better long distance choice due to the recharging nightmares we’ve had with this car’s partner charging networks. With that said, I’d suggest going for a smaller battery lucid and enjoying the driving dynamics closer to home unless you have a city situated 350-400 miles away that you travel to often.
- Overall the software improvements have lead to a stable experience over my 7,000 miles with the car, service is truly fantastic, and driving the car is no question an elevated driving experience when compared with my Model S Plaid - just wish it could charge as seamlessly as that vehicle.
Hope this helps save you some time from watching the full video!
Dang! Your dad puts a lot of miles on that thing!
If you want to fix the rendering of youtube, just schedule withing 24h approx.
Just do chapters, we've talked about this. Then you did chapters for like 2 videos, and never again.
@@kennyb123 I’ll do chapters when I have clear sections - upcoming videos for example will have chapters where we have segments. Otherwise this is just a filler piece of content that’s not that important if people watch and is scrambled around tbh
Thanks bro. I like the videos, but they're just too long for me to watch.
"This will be a very quick video" he said in the first 10 seconds of a 43 minute video 😂
Welcome to out of spec 🤣
Seriously.
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I mean for Kyle that is brief
Kyle, I am a 68 year old woman who purchased my Lucid Grand Air in October 22. I do not plan on taking a long road trip. I purchased the car because I love cars & I thought this car is a looker & I love the fact that I can blow the doors off almost all cars except maybe the Tesla Plaid. Have not met up with one yet!
Debra is hella cool
The turn signal stalk cancel function follows exactly how turn signals have worked for decades, young fella. Sincerely, an old guy who probably can't hear the high-pitched headlight issue you spoke of.
This car has definitely been my favorite EV I’ve owned to date
How many have you owned?
The charging curve thing is misunderstood here. When the Lucid has charged to 50% it has already taken on as much energy as a Model 3 long range holds at a full 80% charge. In Kyle's example a Lucid charged to 40% has already taken on more stored energy than a base Ionic 5 holds at 80%. The bottom end of the Lucid's charge curve piles on 2 hours of non-Cannonball range in just minutes. I seldom charge the Lucid beyond 50% (an easy 200 miles) when on a trip unless I stop for lunch or something and just let it keep charging.
Kyle is dead right about the driving dynamics. My Air GT is a joy to drive. I have traveled to some of my favorite twisties to give it a good ol' flogging. Raw power can be intimidating but the Lucid handles power and speed with a heavy dose of competence. World class suspension calibration and butter smooth throttle response. I appreciate that the various modes actually change settings, not just throttle response. Sprint stiffens the suspension, reduces brake and steering boost for better feel, and reduces regen (still best to set regen to Low when driving hard anyway to reduce heat buildup).
Some chargers do take patience. I don't get as frustrated as Kyle when a charger is a bit slower than advertised or I have to call EA's 800 number to get a charger reset. It really helps to plan your trip, checking charging stations with the lucid app. EA's app will say some chargers are good that simply will not work with the Lucid. EA isn't like Tesla, but then again, I'm not stuck with driving a Tesla. For me that's a win.
As a seven month owner of an AGT with 9,000 miles and one 2,000 cross country trip to Denver. I competely agree with your assessment. His father made a wise choice buying used, but I bought at the initial offerring price so all in after the credit thought that it was a fair deal. The car has brilliant suspension and power delivery, is a joy to drive on mountain twisties in VT and NH, and is solid on the Interstates where 18 wheelers abound. EA charging worked 100% of the time for my cross country mostly located at Walmarts not far from the Interstates. No, they rarely delivered even close th the 350 kWh advertised even at low SOC, but my dog and I had time to walk a bit so no problem. (I was not in a race so charging time was no big deal.) Kyle's comment about being stuck behind Walmarts for EA charging was a bit gratituous in my view. They were never busy for me so yea for Walmart.
The nav system falls short for trip planning and charging so I had to use the ABRP app and the EA site for EA locations and status. Kyle's comments are mostly spot on. He reluctantly acknowledges that the AGT is probably the best large sedan extant. That is a lot for him to admit given his apparent affinity for Tesla and his perspective with other high end sedans.
I do not share Kyle's assessment of the AGT as only a long distance driver. Yes, it is a large car, but its turning radius is relatively tight and it has lots of space so it is eay to store things in it. Room for a full size spare in the frunk is unique, for most sedans in its class have zero space for a full sized spare.
@@andrewparrillo7475 Sorry I missed your comment when you posted. I've been driving my AGT since April of '22. My experience has been similar to yours.
Given my personal experience I now generally disregard Kyle and co. since I can benchmark their experience with my own. In the ways that really matter the Lucid Air is perhaps the best luxury sedan an owner/driver can buy today.
I am trying to decide between a Pure and a GT. I love to drive, but probably take only 3 long (i.e.700 miles) trips per year. Right now. Lucid started a sale which lowers the price of their different trims a lot. I had a lease ready to sign, but with the new pricing on the Pure lease, I will save $13.5K. Or I could spend an additional $20.5K. I like the creature comforts of the GT, the extended range (very important), and the power. But the Pure is nothing to sneeze at. I figure in 3 years Lucid will have more offerings, the price point may be lowered permanently (wishful thinking). Any advice? I liked your comment a lot. It was extremely helpful to me. I am a 73 year old female, so I have to take into consideration things like having to charge at night. (My apartment building has 16 Blink (formerly SemaConnect) chargers so I am good as long as I am just puttering around town. Any thoughts?
@@annalbin I too have mostly been 'puttering around' in the heat of this summer. I charge the car in my garage every two weeks or so and it works fine. I love my GT, any Lucid will be better at longer trips than almost any other EV. The big battery GT does make long trips even easier, but the main reason to get a GT is the nicer trim and the huge waves of power it can deliver. I suspect the Pure has more power than most drivers will ever use and should be pretty well equipped, but I haven't seen one in person. I love the GT's glass roof but that would be no good if always parking outside.
@@Miata822 Thank you for taking time to reply. The Pure is fun to drive - sort of like my first Miata. I guess the weight of the battery pack is centered similarly to a mid engine sports car. Also, the Pure offers a gorgeous color (Fantom Blue) which is not offered on any other trim.
I watched another Kyle vid where he compared the differences in handling between the 19” and 21” wheels. Lucid offers 20” wheels, I don’t know if that would be the best or worst of both worlds. Probably the worst ( ie worst mileage and not holding in aggressive driving). Man, did Lucid present an interesting car. Road car or performance car?
I've owned my Air GT since November, I use it both as a daily driver and road tripping. It's a wonderful car. I love driving it. Road trips are its forte.
“Very quick video”: 42 mins 😂. Nice update Kyle. When is your Taycan Sport Turismo due?
Glad I'm not the only one freaked about a manufacturer having unfettered access to the cabin camera and can watch me 24/7. Haha. Great video as always Kyle.
Agree... It IS creepy..
But then at the same time.. we are all walking around with phones that could and probably are doing the same.. They ARE listening to you ... even when your not asking it to do a task.
I have had conversations with someone... next day or two .. I am getting ads or info about the topic we were discussing.. but did not do a web search on.
Tesla was doing this exact thing. Some cheeky Tesla contractors were monitoring and sharing photos from Elon's personal Tesla in his garage. I wouldn't be surprised if other smart car companies did similar shenanigans.
As with supercruise on GM products its just to make sure you are watching g the road in "autonomous" mode
@@kdlange6052no. Its meant to be for that.
@@kdlange6052 Because no megacorp would use it to do something it wasnt intended for, and not tell us, right? 😄
Kyle, you really need to hold yourself out as a consultant to EV manufacturers. You’ve got the experience and the expertise to tell them what they need to do to get it right. Most just don’t have the experience to point their engineers in the right direction.
Lol
I disagree with you. Yes, in some regards, great consultation would make a better car. But in many, MANY others, they're not looking to make a better car than a Tesla, for example. They're just looking to make their "me too" EV, so that when someone's car dies, they're sick of the high cost of gas and want to switch to an EV, all of these manufacturers can say, "We've got an EV too!" and they're hoping the average consumer isn't savvy enough to know which one is best. If you're a loyal Honda customer, for example, and Honda comes out with their EV, you might just buy it without knowing anything else.
I find it interesting that a carmaker can get so many things right - but a few things wrong, and still be struggling for its continued existence.
The initial market, large luxury sedan EV is small. They should have gone with a mid size SUV EV. I have a GT-Performance, an amazing car but it's a niche product.
It's too expensive and also interest rates are too high. Match the price of a Tesla Y at 0% interest and sales will pick up a little bit.
Whatever camera you’re using to shoot the video is great . The audio is great. It follows what side the audio is stronger and I love that
As a prospective Lucid owner (test driving one here in Denver on Friday) I really enjoyed this video.
Did you end up buying one?
Very fair review. I have an Air GT for almost a year now, 16K miles and have done many road trips. While yes the DCFC network is frustrating, this car is still the best place to be when dealing with those frustrations, and given the superior range it allows you to skip a charging stop or find another charger in case your first choice didn’t work out, so in my opinion it’s the ONLY EV road trip option that isn’t a Tesla. It seems crazy to drive a less comfortable less premium worse handling more cheaply built Tesla on road trips just because that network is more reliable than EA.
Well, in fairness the price point of a Tesla compared to these Lucid models should give drivers some acceptance of the less premium experience.
I have to think that, at least in large part, the massive depreciation on a Lucid is due to drivers realizing that any kind of range anxiety in a premium luxury car isn’t worth it. It kind of feels like these companies are at the mercy of the US government getting their shit together (against huge ICE companies that have little desire to see that happen quickly) or Tesla upgrading their current infrastructure so all EVs can use their stations. Not an awesome position to be in.
@@BroncoPH yeah, I do hope the Tesla CCS V4s go up fast everywhere and EA no longer matters, that would be the big win for all EV drivers.
Same in every respect. Love my AGT. Once people get to experience it they will understand. It's like nothing else. MotorTrend was right to call it not Tesla 2.0 but CAR 2.0
Lucid is touring the country now to show the car and give test rides. That will work.
I don't know if it's crazy to arrive at a charger and just charge at the correct speed and for the correct amount of time and continue on. That's why we got a Model X Plaid and didn't even consider any of the other options even though by cost every single other EV on the market was a possibility for us. I don't really think driving is that interesting so I would much rather turn on FSD and get from point A to point B in a very comfortable car and not have to needlessly spend more time driving around to look for chargers or whatever. Though I will say that the range of the Lucid is simply amazing and would possibly make me not have to charge at all for the usual road trip distance I drive. So that is a very useful feature. But cross country trips I would never do in anything but a gas car or a Tesla. I don't want to waste time and make my wife pissed that we have to go find another charge or spend twice as long charging than the car had expected to based on the "rated" charging speed.
@@kriskros91 you’re correct, it’s not crazy at all to expect charging to just work as well as Tesla’s network. I’ve used the MagicDock on the Lucid so I know. That handshake was faster than EA, even though the charging itself was slow because of the car’s 900v architecture. The point though is most of the time you’re probably not DC fast charging your car but home charging/commute/L2 charging, and when you buy a car you’re not just buying a charging experience. For me, where I road trip maybe 5-6 times a year, I’ll put up with EA inconsistency (sometimes EA has been great and when it is it’s actually better than Tesla network, 301kw peak speed for me!), and the other 330 or so days a year I’m driving a car I like much better than the Tesla I’ve driven. But yes depending on one’s needs the Tesla might be the better choice, I just don’t think it’s fair to say “your only road trip EV option is Tesla” only because EA is less reliable. I’ve used EVGo, Chargepoint, etc, it can be done just fine it’s just a bit more annoying.
Love the video... the Cannonball was epic...
Don't really understand the hate on the EA stations being at Walmart??
When EA partnered with them... it was Pre-Pandemic.. and MOST Walmarts were open 24hrs... seems like a good match.. Charge your car.. go inside, can walk and stretch... get snacks and drinks, and bathrooms, and even hot food at many of them.
Seems better than an empty parking lot with nothing around.
Post Pandemic.. after 10-11PM they are closed now.. So that kinda sucks.
Love my Air GT. I’ve had issues with charging and even a major issue. However with the software updates, the customer service I really don’t have many complaints. Also being honked at to give thumbs ups, flagged to stop by curious drivers, mouth drops, and general praises (even a little jealousy from people who know me). It’s worth every lost minute charging and small glitches.
Would be great to see how it charges in Europe, with there much better DC charging infrastructure, likely it would shine!
Hey Kyle - by far best Lucid review.
Nicely done. I agree with your review (though there are a few more little things I'd like to see from Lucid sooner than later .. easy entry/exit, persistent homelink connections, preserved auto-high beams, video storage, sentry mode, pet mode, valet mode, etc.). Also, the "bubble" issue w/ the 21" Pirelli PZero performance tires is a constant worry .. especially for road-trips. The 19" All Season tires were definitely a good choice.
PS I didn't realize that @outofspecdave1554 was your father .. I've enjoyed several of his videos ever since I saw him drive around my parents' "neck of the woods"
Great review, very thorough! … no skimping on your Dad (a.k.a OOSD … America’s dad) please also include paint upgrade in your detailing from Colton before you give back to your Dad. You have put a lot of hard miles on it … the least you can do 😊
Great review. Absolutely agree about driver assistance hugging the right line. I feel like it actually has a magnet pushing you toward a truck when passing. Hope they can update via software.
Nothing new, it used to happen with Tesla as well until software was updated
I covered my Model 3 camera day 1. Didn’t even make it out of the driveway. After some of the recent revelations of what Tesla has done with those videos, seems as if I was right to do so. Totally get why you did that Kyle.
The large battery for me was a non-starter. Back seat comfort is greatly compromised, especially for longer drives. I reserved a Pure, but am letting it go because the charging network just isn't good enough for a chauffeur transportation service. I have an occasional day where I drive 650 miles. I drive all over the Northeast and I can't do it without optimal charging. The Pure and Touring is much more comfortable in back...
I am trying to decide between a Pure and a GT. I love to drive (my other car is a 911), but probably will take only 3 long (i.e.700 miles) trips per year. Lucid started a sale which lowers the price of their different trims a lot. I had a 36 month lease on a Pure ready to sign, but with the new pricing on the Pure lease, I will save $13.5K. Or I could spend an additional $20.5K to go with the GT. I like the creature comforts of the GT, the extended range (very important), and the power. But the Pure is nothing to sneeze at. I figure in 3 years Lucid will have more offerings, the price point may be lowered permanently (wishful thinking). Any advice? I liked your comment a lot. It was extremely helpful to me. I am a 73 year old female, so I have to take into consideration things like having to charge at night. My apartment building has 16 Blink (formerly SemaConnect) chargers so I am good as long as I am just puttering around town. Any thoughts?
Thank you so much. I had intended to buy an Air but the issues in the first 10k miles have deterred me for now at least, until Lucid refines the product.
This guy has the most detailed reviews he makes me care and watch reviews on cars I would had no interest in
You put 7000 miles on your dad s Lucid? You have a great dad, that he is not entirely disowning and cancelling you : ) Love both your channels.
14:24 That is the mark of a good business. Stand behind your product, make your customers happy, you will succeed.
Great video Kyle! Man, knock on wood, I've been lucky with my EV6. Never having any experience with Kia before, I would have thought I would have these little annoying issues as well. Of course, now I will :)
I have the EV6 dual motor wind in glacier color. After 1 year, minor stuff bugs me, but this is their first EV6 so I am ok with these issues. I dislike the door handles. I also had the motor in the driver's car seat fail, which was replaced at 3 months. Lastly, I can't stand the "auto" button next to the physical button on the AC/Radio because I accidentally bumped the auto with my finger, and it turns on auto which then changes my air setting, so I have to again adjust to my comfort. They need to improve the AC/radio controls. Otherwise, I absolutely love this car and have had positive comments on it frequently
Great video. Can t wait to check out all the other Lucid videos. Arriving at a charger at 17%, 13%... sounds just about right to me. I don t think I am daring enough to arrive with 3% or so :)
Have you determined what caused Dave’s situation where he started to charge and Lucid had to do an over the air system reset? Was it the charger or the car? Dave delivered it to you and it ran great across the country. Was wondering if an over the air diagnostic was run since then.
Just saw a Lucid Air Sapphire test mule at a charging station a couple days ago (video on my channel). I'd love to have one of these cars. They are so sleek, roomy, and have tons of performance and range. Great all around car.
Wanting the Apple "it just works" experience of luxury alongside the more Android "rough but highly adjustable" doesn't seem fair, even from a high end purchase. Either it's easy for the old rich person to use or you need a PhD in xBox Sciences to figure out how to use the seat warmer.
Fixed modes for handling are good. Fixed trip calculations for charging are good. Cutting down on the possibility for edge cases is what leads to bulletproof software that doesn't crash. Adding in complexity increases support costs and risk of software issues. KISS for the win.
Your honesty is refreshing. Thanks.
Really nice camera work, Alyssa.
Gotta wonder if your dad's fun-filled experience with the non-Tesla charging network on his FL to NJ trip is the reason he got it used with less than 900 miles on the clock.
The guy they bought it from mentioned software was the thing he hates.. He was a software engineer.. and a long time Tesla owner.
Personally I can imagine putting more weight on the Software than driving dynamics or interior quality.. The fact the guy only put 800 miles on it kinda proves he does not actually drive much.
I want a car.. not a smartphone. Its for driving... not playing on a screen.
Many new 2023 Model Ys are experiencing a similar faint but distinct high pitched noise from the front drive units right now, not present in our earlier models.
My MY Rwd has the whining inverter noise during acceleration and certain speed.
@@Harrythehun Not inverter noise. High pitched bearing noise between 40-70 mph.
@@frumpd63 I’m not skilled enough to make a decision if the bearings sound like inverters. I would guess inverters make the motor squeak, all day every day. I work at a energy company with loads of inverters.
Thank you--so informative! I appreciate your frank assessment and all the intimate detail.
Where is Lucid's vehicle to Load and or Vehicle to Grid. They bragged about these features but I guess they have been delayed?
19.2 kw V to X would be amazing.
It seems like the lock/unlock from proximity thing would be a setting you can change. Especially in a +$100k luxury car.
I think the Lucid utilizes the Blackberry QNX platform. Should be a high level ASIL D rating which is titilizing.
Love watching all O.o.S. vids!
Are window visors required? Seems like something like the variable light control Porsche uses on their sunroofs would be a perfect solution for this.
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22:40 I've done some vacations where I've driven 530 miles in a day before, I'd totally go past this cars range on very rare occasions, granted I wouldn't mind charging a little then but some people will use that range on occasion.
Hey Kyle! “Redondo” Todd from CT here. Good to see you. Is this the car you were driving in. CA!?
13:00 Would replacing the windscreen REQUIRE a re-calibration of the lane-departure cameras? Believe I read of this requirement for a Lexus automobile.
on teh Air conditioner, wonder if it was already failing when you had it and now the leak has been fixed and has been recharged it may perform better than when you had the car.
After a 10k mile drive, the quirks, good, bad. More details later. Ugly seems to be the charging network partnership or lack thereof. Overall the long distance driving experience was favorable.
What about that stitching reflection on the windshield? You can see it a bit in this video. That would drive me crazy.
So if you like lucid as an idea, want a daily driver but not a road tripper, and aren't a fan of Teslas too much (and don't need super chargers), would you go with something else still?
The government in the United Kingdom has just moved the ban on the production of ICE-only cars from 2030 to 2035. The charging network and infrastructure here are abysmal and a barrier to EV ownership.
BMWs turn signals cancel in the opposite direction though. At least my 2016 does.
How would this compare to the Nio or Xpeng? I don't remember any mention of tactile hardware issues with those cars.
The size of that windshield, I'd probably pay to get a protective film installed on it.
I nearly forgot about these guys until I saw one last week. Looks great.
Too bad it has been the first one after seeing 15 Mercedes and 20 ev pickups
I sometimes get Signet surge on my Lightning as well,,,, but it's not as dramatic as what you show in your videos. The issue is not unique to 800V cars, it's just more dramatic.
Lucid has no choice but to partner with EA, every other CCS "network" is just a hodgepodge of opportunistic station installations with no design effort around facilitating effective travel.
Does the key have a motion sensor? If you keep the key more still, does it reduce the movement of the doors? My Nissan key has a motion sensor that prevents unintended unlocks. Also, niggles? sounds like another word there
Was Alyssa on the camera? Of course she was! Trust me when I say she's the best!
Transfer power from one car to another will be epic?
Great Review. Hopefully in the future this will be the car that everyone wants but for now Ill stay with my tesla.
Did Dave try charging it at one of the CCS-enabled Tesla Superchargers?
I keep hearing that charging is worse on the west coast than on the east coast. Why is that? Is it the distances on the west coast? Or are the Chargers better quality on the East Coast?
Knowing that Dave had so many problems charging on this trip to and from Florida why did you do the cannonball run at this time?
Kyle you should teach a class on ev's at the local community college.
Id actually enroll
They wouldn’t pay enough. 😂
The Sapphire will be epic?
What do you think about the latest video from EA showing their CEO IONIQ 5 road trip using his charging network?
Did you have any issue with wind noise on the driver side near the mirror?
Kyle is this like the USA modern replacement for the Lincoln town car?
What's up with the resolution? Good info though. 👍🏾
Amazing how it took 10k miles for the charging network issue to be apparent
Although the charging infrastructure deserves a lot of blame, Lucid has to take some of it as well. Other 800v EVs don't have nearly as much trouble charging as does the Lucid. It's their first model, so many issues are expected. But not blaming Lucid for some of the charging issues is not helpful for them at all, as they'll never work on it coming to believe it's all on the infrastructure.
Why don't you wait for a used Sapphire?
Did you get the cross country bugs off the front?
Sun visors are federally required safety equipment.
After 10,000 miles, give the poor girl a bath! 😁
Is the HVAC system based on a heat pump?
BTW - anyone with an EV with remote access cabilities - U better understand - some lonely service person somewhere in the world is 100% watching you and listening to everything you say or do in your car especially if you happen to be attractive at all.
didnt they partner with tesla for charging ?
You say it is made to be the long distance driver, BUT there is not charging network. Oh my.
Does it have a battery temperature gauge ?
I’m starting to pick up a common theme on EV companies that got their start in tech and not actually making cars that build quality, regardless of the price point, is going to be a challenge.
It goes to show that Tesla, for all its build quality issues, so completely nailed the charging network problem that the automakers that have nearly mastered the build of a car can barely compete because they are at the mercy of the government funded mess that is non-Tesla charging.
I don’t fault anyone that wants to wait to get an EV because they can’t stand Tesla but aren’t willing to risk the current charging infrastructure.
I think the fingerprints over the screens annoy me the most lol
i am sorry but until the other companies get their act together with a charging network that is as good as Tesla, then it doesn't matter how good the car is, if you don't have a reliable charging network so the only option right now for long distance is Tesla.
@@vickykennel7414 its not about the car its about the charging network as i keep saying your only option for the best charging network is tesla
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wow you have the polestar 1
You own both, lends you to an honest review buttttttt!¡!?!!!??
The button 🔘 shake is for the googly eyes 👀 s
As nuch as I enjoy this review, a lot of these complaints really are personal nitpicking preferences that I don't see issues with. Otherwise good review.
It looks like the door opening is way too short for taller and larger people. Looks very low to the ground.
It is. Also lacks easy entry/exit functionality which exacerbates the issue. Hopefully, Lucid will provide it (Easy entry/exit) w/ an OTA soon. That said, once inside, it is a great ride that rivals any luxury sedan.
Another excellent review, but I have no idea how you climb into a car that filthy. I know you don't want scratches and I know you have a detail guy, but you know there's this thing called a pressure washer, right? lol I've been on my share of road trips, and I've never had an interior anywhere near that messy.
Well this guy sure likes his own voice…..
Nice to see how you treat a $100k car
😂😂😂 Dave must hate watching Kyle beat the shit out of his cars
lucid motors have to come up with cheaper cars or it will die, which is a huge bummer.
Smaller city sedans with range of 330 miles, limit the power to 200 hp, while still retaining the acceleration to 5 secs 0-60 mph, but with a price tag of sub USD45k , manufacture core parts in the USA but move the assembly plant in Asia / South America will cut the cost substantially. Right now Lucid is way too expensive and competition is too stiff. Lucid also needs to come up with creative charging solutions to give that extra tech edge over Tesla.
I would suggest installing wireless charging tech and running wireless charging parking lots, solar panel roofs on upcoming models and solid state battery tech collaborations with Japan. This will make the range longer, charging faster (wireless charging, wired charging and solar charging all running concurrently) and gives that tech edge over than the Tesla.
360p? Fine by me :)
still rendering he just uploaded it -
@@Dr_Flankensteinn I know, I'm just saying I don't care about the resolution cause the content is always fire!
Most people want to arrive at a charger with 10-15% left, not 3-5% like you do. And really, who wants to arrive at an EA Charger station with 3% and they’re not working and you have to find another way to charge.
Can’t help but always throw a little shade on the one company that forced everyone to develop EVs and they better bring their “A” game. No one does any of this (all,of it) better than Tesla.
Getting 360p resolution, max.
Because it's newly posted, TH-cam does takes a while to make full resolution available
The system only lets you do 90 mph? Tell that to the cop who pulls you over for speeding. Maybe he will let you off with a warning.
Kyle, do your dad a favor and wash the Lucid before giving it back. It looks filthy.