An Exercise In Patience! Electric Vehicle Towing w/ Today’s Charging Infrastructure
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Love seeing you and Alyssa in an OOS Old-School style video
agree. Honestly I just like the watch those kind of videos, not the Out of Spec Review ones.
Favorite style of video!!!
are they back together?
@@tomkelly4640what was the story with that?
@@tomkelly4640Evidently and a quiet reconciliation is what my girls think. Kyles calmed down a lot.
I'm glad the Kyle-Alyssa vibes are still there. Love these kind of road tripping videos.
I like seeing Alyssa in the vids!
Alyssa your attempt to stop and get the windshield cleaned is appreciate
Usually filthy everywhere! 🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
Kyle never cares…😢
Maybe in 2030?
Dont get me wrong, i love all your other videos. But the road tripping ones are the best. It's what got me to subscribe in the first place.
When is the part 2 coming out?
Most 7kW units in my experience are 32A chargers which when fed from a residential 240V split phase supply will provide 7kW. Thing is most public installations are hooked up to a commercial 3 phase supply where the L-L voltage is 208V which means 6kW at 32A.
EA and towing is the one thing they have over Tesla. Towed my 68 Mustang from Az to Tn over Memorial Day with my Model S. Having a rear charge port with back in spots meant blocking spots. A few you could sneak beside or behind, but the rest you were blocking at least a couple chargers. Some like Houston, we’re dead end areas, full of cars. Extremely nerve racking. Averaged 450kwh/mi at 60-65 staying with the trucks (so didn’t have to change lanes much and use autopilot). Towed like nothing was back there, better than a Silverado I made a similar trip with last year. Could pick and hold any speed I wanted going up steep grades, and still pass at will. Gas stations went to islands decades ago, chargers need to do the same. Especially once more people tow, and the charge port locations are all over the place. I’ll send ya a couple pics.
You guys are reminding me of why I left CCS and bought a Tesla
I'm eager to see how they revamp everything to handle the cyber truck, speeds, space, voltage, lots of questions to be answered.
everyone is switching to nacs by 2025 so apparently all the manufacturers are sick of it to
Did I miss something or are you still working on part two of this road trip?
This was a great video. It provides a true example of towing with an EV. The part that was most informative was seeing the option in the Rivian route planner for the various chargers. Hopefully, Canada will get some of the adventure network but it most likely won't happen anytime soon.
I had a similar issue with DC charging on a Rivian truck I rented on Turo, it would only DC charge on stations offering less than 100kW, anything offering more would cause a battery fault issue.
Nice to see Alyssa along for this trip! Great videos, both of you, I love an EV road trip and you two plus your team are the best in the business by far
I just love going on these trips with you and your dad. Best of luck charging.
DIRTY WINDSHIELD!! 😂😂 Blessed be the algorithm. Nice try Alyssa, thank you! 😆
Truckee, nooo, just turn around and pull up on the sidewalk with the driver side near the chargers, and hook up : ) Great show as always : )
Reminds me of towing with my model x. Except it was a uhaul trailer with no trailer jack (idk why they don't have em..) so I would just put the model x in the highest air suspension, put some tire blocks about an inch away from the tires, put a jack stand on the trailer tongue and drop the suspension. works pretty well..
Would be nice if stations had cameras to see what's going on.
Just curious how the aftermarket kit affects the range on your Rivian.
I was thinking it looks like a decent amount of drag with all those holes and beams
1:11:00 Stay Gold Kyle & Alyssa!
So you are asking for NACS on dispensers that already don't work. Really?
Or is NACS going to make them suddenly work?
The non-Tesla cars having the option to use Superchargers will force the other networks to “sink or swim”.
The other networks will either rise to the reliability and quality experience of the Superchargers to retain customers or be lost to their own incompetence.
Used that charger a few weeks ago! So nice to have a good shopping center/options where chargers are.
I watch these videos for the bug on the windshield content. This one’s a good one lol. Good video that parking lot at the rivian network was crazy. Feel like there should have been some communication to rivian awhile in advance
What I saw you run into a lack of charging stations, I figured that you were on one of the back roads. That this is on I-80 is insane.
Great seeing you both!
Interested in buying an R1S. based on your charging experience not having the Tesla supercharger network was one reason why I was hesitant, how much of a game changer do you think the Tesla supercharger network will be?
This video is the all-time OOS windshield covered with bugs.. Congratulations to your both!
Peppermill in Reno and Wendover has very nice rooms they do have EV chargers. It would really surprise you how nice it really is.
Imagine if and when Cybertrucks start hitting the road with trailers. Those charging station areas are going to be interesting as people get inpatient when multiple chargers are blocked.
Why not just unhook. In most cases, it takes a few minutes at most. And there are usually a lot of places to park the trailer.
@@BboySnake71 That would work, but it just makes towing with Cybertruck, or any EV vehicle that much more complicated. You can find gas pumps oriented where a truck can drive straight through without unhooking.
Maybe the answer is to set up charging stations similar to gas stations so vehicles can pull in and out with out going in reverse or blocking multiple charging stations. If more and more trucks are becoming EVS, it might be something worth considering.
Man, watching this video makes me very happy I cancelled my Rivian orders. My Tesla has been very solid with infrastructure and destination chargers everywhere.
Dirty windshields for the algorithm 😂
The irony of the Rivian dispensers being closed is great. Considering it’s the location they use in marketing material! I guess they needed the lot paved
Waiting for part 2!
Another great road trip.
Lightning has dual heat pumps for it’s optional tow package. 16:00
No, it has two AC compressors, not heat pumps.
Clean the windscreen!! 🙂
1:14:57 I had this happen to me once driving from Klamath Falls, OR to Bend, OR. I honestly could not tell if it was rain or bugs, so I hit the wipers ... it was bugs. Autopilot kept throwing alerts the entire rest of the trip.
I love your videos
The windshield bug cost is not all that unusual. My wife is a fly fishing guide and drives through huge bug hatches. It looks like that or worse all the time!
I thought I subscribed during the Kandi K27 test drive, but just resubscribed. Cool video.
Different EVs have different charging port location going to make charging a nightmare. Everything needs to be standardize to make this work. Also failed charging stations are a pain.
53:20 Those old ABB Terras are near the bottom of the barrel in terms of reliability. I haven't seen a single site in New Mexico have all chargers online for over 2 days. Something always faults out. Most of those also have issues giving 800-volt EVs their full power. I guess high voltage stresses out the power modules more than high amperage. ABB Terras are only slightly better than old Signets because they don't have the "Signet surge" unstable power with 800-volt EVs.
I am an EV owner for 4 years, and a amateur race car owner and driver for over 20 years. I would NEVER trade my old reliable pickup truck with its 35 gallon gas tank for ANY EV to tow my race car. Towing is stressful enough, worrying about where to charge, and if the cord is going to be long enough with the trailer connected is added headaches. After a long day racing, I want to get in the truck and drive with out worry, possibly fill up once, and get home with the least amount of drama. EV towing is never going to be easy for a long long time.
Throw the dogs in the cabin, your gear into the bed, and take that Rivian to Glacier!
That would make a great couple of videos!
Saw a Rivian on going to the sun road a week ago (Monday)
That Indian track driver thing is happening in Australia as well....
I think the "derated to improve service" thing is mainly because the alternative is bringing the charger completely offline which is worse than 30kW. That being said they really should fix the charger, I'm not making excuses for EA but when you look at the 2 lazy options derating is definitely the better of the 2.
We were in North Conway, NH on vacation and went to supercharge the morning we were going to leave and the entire site was blocked off because of paving...
Like most Gas Stations, maybe Charging Stations need glass cleaning wands.
Even as huge EV fan, towing is one experience ICE still has over BEVs. I'm hoping that will change soon, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.
Today, yes depending on how and where. The cost savings will push the industry faster than any government mandate. Think of the parallel between towing with gas vs diesel. diesel costs more upfront, is harder to find, and the fuel is more expensive. That makes overall costs lower. Similar with an Ev. Higher upfront, harder to find fuel, but lower fuel and maintenance costs. Not sure at what point this outweighs the capex cost from the additional downtown though. I’m sure someone smarter than me has done the break even analysis. For me it was worth it, but my charging costs are atypical. As costs come down, efficiency and charge rates up, this math with change further. $ will always dictate the way the trucking industry goes.
For most people's towing needs, an EV makes for a better tow rig. How many people routinely tow a vehicle across 5 states? Sure, if you're towing a large camper around the country at a fast pace, EVs aren't as speed efficient as ICE. But most towing is to Lowe's or the local boat ramp.
@@geopomoco For local towing, I think you're spot on. The better handling and control offered by an EV is really nice but longer haul or into the mountains, probably better off with ICE or Hybrid for now - at least until there are more charging options available and larger batteries to help.
@@geopomoco I guess, can't even hardly make it over the pass in one of the current Bev trucks with a trailer without an hour so to charge let alone to the lakes and rivers far far far away from level 3 infrastructure... meanwhile a gas f150 can make the full round trip on a tank of gas. It's not even in the same world yet. Sedans and CUVs are still the sweet spot today for BEVs. It's ok to have both. Let's also not pretend like I'm not putting another 50 gallons of gas in the boat anyway.
They paid 37 dollars to go 126 miles.. 3 dollars a mile..
With all you have to go through, waiting time, broken chargers, delimited chargers, and paying $40.00 to get up to 91%. Doesn’t sound like a plan
Thad Coda needs Martian wheels I think!
I’m 6:42 into the video, and I know you do a lot of driving, but there are some bald mfn tires on the Rivian. Then, I saw the rear passenger side tire on the trailer. What the shit? I live in Sac, I’ll wave.
Colton is having an aneurysm looking at the Rivian.
Oh that windshield! 😂
Seems like a couple of chocks for the trailer are in your future, or you could "redneck" it with the spare wheels.
A Rivian an EV company on the brink of bankruptcy towing a Coda an EV company that already went bankrupt - very poetic.
Why is Rivian keeping their charging network walled off? No one else is, including Mercedes. Very irritating. ....... The range is too short on this version to tow. You need at least 500 miles EPA and a monster charging curve.
Need that windshield to be cleaned
Yeah had to use EVCS last week and had similarly bad experience 😒
Love seeing you in my part of CA. Beautiful Northern California.
A manure shower and a plague of bugs. It seems charging problems were the least of your concerns. 🤣
At least if you revisit that parking lot it won’t be full of pot holes.
To the point of having weird number discrepancies with chargers. I have a 40A level 2 charger at home, when I plug my polestar 2 into it the car says it's getting 38A, the charger says it's outputting 36.5A...neither are the 40A the charger is supposed to be...Idk who's right XD.
28 cents per kilowatt hour is cheaper than my residential rate in CA.
There needs to be an IM app for all chargers so you can IM other EV owners about issues on their charging like that Hyundai issue.
Here on the east coast those old 150kW chargers seem to be more reliable than the 350kW units.
The drive and charging attempts get me to click on these videos. The dirty windshield keeps me coming back.
How come, no one makes a NACS female to male extention for access to chargers while towing. Something really simple that seems to have been skipped in everyone’s planning for charging solutions. Reason I say NACS is because everyone it going to that standard.
Makes for entertaining content, but yikes, what a mess of a charging experience overall
Is this an exercise in patience for the viewers? There is still no part 2...
In case anyone was wondering why so many automakers are jumping ship to use Tesla'a supercharger network, this is a good video showing why.
NACS won't help all these 3rd party chargers. It will open up Tesla chargers giving you more charging options
Is this with the ABRP software update?
Where are the new wheels?
Can you get an early proto of Rivian's adapter from Tesla/NACS Supercharger to CCS1 port? Maybe they'll let you test the thing out before they release it to existing CCS1 drivers. BTW, I just charged at a 16 stall Tesla SC station in Scotts Valley CA where every SC had the Magic Dock so Tesla is continuing to roll out their solution which ought to help smaller brand CCS1 cars like your Kona and the Leaf. Anyway, nice ride-along trip back to CO. Cheers and drive safely.
When they say it's no big deal to unhook the trailer are they serious or are they being sarcastic because they say that and then go through a bunch of troubles to avoid unhooking the trailer? Or is it just pure laziness?
Alyssa, if I’m dead asleep in my car, I’d rather see your face waking me up to a dead charge than Kyle’s. No offense Kyle, but you’re not my type! 😉 LOL❤
I live in Palo Alto and have visited that EA station many times. Too bad I missed you.
the windshield is dirty
100000% triggered by the dirty windshield.
Great accurate videos, tho abit long.
Kyle you got to pick hoodie or no hoodie. So confused 😂
EA chargers are a fricken joke! They wasted a lot of money using Micro$oft OS and bad developers. Im all for Tesla taking over.
Here for the coda content
here's your comment for the algorithm. clean the windshield. haha.
i see the video form an european side.
This veichle seems to have a lot of battery cause of inefficency of those pick up's.
Do we really need to still work on those veichles?
The "mucca" part of Winnemucca is pronounced like "muck-ah'
Just wondering….looking at the charging cost and distance covered, wouldn’t it be cheaper to tow with an ICE truck? It sure would have been a lot faster.
Alyssa keeps slaying 😻💘
Wish I could live in the US
Just cross through Mexico and you can
for what?
I must say….I saw the hole video because of Alyssa….😂
Wouldn’t it charge better with your lights off…
Great trip , I watched the saga on the way out, Basically not stop (except for charging and foods . The speed limit in California when towing is 55 so you probably should not mention you were ignoring that and going 65 I have watched doze. s of your road trips and this is one of the best ever. However, as a Tesla Model Y owner for over 2 -1/2 years I love the Supercharger network. Watching an expert like you battle with those awful EA Charges I can imaging Riven owners can hardly wait for NACS and access to the Supercharger network,
Nobody in CA tows at 55. The cops don’t much care either. You become a hazard moving that slow on i80 etc..
Wow, they know how to fill a plate of food in the US...
Is there no w/s washing equipment at any EV charging stations ?
Why not just unhook the trailer. Seems like its making the messed up situation even worse. At one point you said it literally takes 2 minutes.🤔
yeah every time they say it's not a big deal to unhook yet they do everything in their power to avoid it. Makes no sense.
Charge for an hour. $37 with a discount. And hoping you can get 200 miles total. Then you don't even get 130? Then all your tech and phones and did not even check if the hotel had a vacancy until you got there? Charge one hour then drive for two then charge again? Call this EV time and money wasters! 🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂
Headline: Americans Are Not Buying EVs, Manufacturer Inventories Grow. - This video is yet another video of why. And only switching to using the NACS (Tesla) connector will not solve this.
Your windshield is dirty.😁
What's up with that dirty windshield and poo all over the truck. You should have found the closest car wash and got that beauty clean. LOL. Thanks for all the great content and education. Being a newbie and still working on getting my first EV, a 2022 Ford Lightning, your content has really helped me understand the world of EV's, charging, strategy, etc.. and help prevent battery anxiety. :) I thought you had to charge all the way to 100% each time before leaving and how long it takes was a major obstacle for me. But watching your videos made me realize that charging to 80% is the way to go.
Funny you mentioned being on a motorcycle in those bugs. A few years back we were on a club ride and hit a swarm of moths that just covered my BMW LT1600 windshield. A friend that was riding with us was riding a cafe racer style BMW and had half helmet and goggles and got a face full of moths. LOL.
What Taycan? Did you take delivery ?
His side piece
Didn't he buy one few weeks ago? I think it was for Anna, but pretty sure he said it was bought as a company.
@@mattkozaklol no - it’s for Anna’s car