Ocarina of Time 3D Comparison and Review - Sometimes Less is More
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2019
- Was Ocarina of Time 3D a bad remake? No, but join me anyway and celebrate its eighth anniversary with a look back at how it turned out.
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Selling point of Ocarina of Time: It’s the first Zelda in 3D!
Selling point of Ocarina of Time 3D: It’s the first Zelda in 3D!
Literally XD
I mean, it’s the same game so it makes sense
Selling point of a hypothetical Zelda NES remake: It's the first Zelda, in 3D!
LOL
Mario Bingus, you bretter _belingus_ I'll have a tissy 🫵
3:38 "Link still spins around awkwardly to face doors"
you telling me that's a flaw
Definitely not a mistake
@@bellseb Exactly, it's like a jump pause when someone accomplishes something
He's dancing of course
@@Daniel328DT yeah the spin dance
Absolutely not a mistake on the part of the developers. If anything it’s a sweet little reference to the crappy N64 glitches.
Another point worth adding is that in a very uncharacteristic move, Nintendo intentionally wrote in some speed running glitches so they would carry over from the N64. Another great video!
Considering they used source code as the base, wouldn't it be that they intentionally kept the glitches instead of recreating them?
Regardless of one or the other, it's still an interesting choice. Most ports patch glitches and accidentally create new ones.
@@Dairunt1 Which is what they actually did in OOT3D too, ironically enough. To be entirely honest, the OOT3D bug list is much better because it allows for a lot of cool stuff of its own(Like, you can actually do a variation of the Back in Time-glitch in it, which is amazing) while removing nearly all ties to standard gameplay. If you now just want a glitchless experience, you can do that.
i think they were just lazy at fixing them
3:54
To be fair, that scene WAS made to show off the new 3D capabilities of the n64
When putting it that way it does seem very obvious that the first 3D game in a popular series would be contain many moments that look impressive in 3D.
I honestly really liked that they could revisit this in the exact same way, I thought it was cute and clever and good
@@Kagomai15 vr remake next? ocarina of time 3d ***3D***
@@cupriferouscatalyst3708
Not just the first in a series, but one of the first 3D story driven games. The very first dungeon is designed to show players how much more advanced gameplay can get with the ability to look up and down. And the very first boss is designed to show you just how much more terrifying enemies can be when they’re the ones looking down upon you
No it wasn't, this same scene was in the original for Nintendo 64
"Charming N64 Crappiness."
Damn... Where were you when I was naming my firstborn?
Then you can use it for the 2nd born.
Lol
You have 0 kids
@@cheeseboi588 Tell that to your "Dad"!
@Tentacular then just make another kid. God damn, it's not like you wouldn't enjoy the process
Holy shit, the OoT remake is eight years old? It doesn't feel like it's been that long.
What the actual fuck shit man
@@Everything-mh4bp time flies
I remember when commercials for the N64 version were still on TV.....
That means you are getting old
VGF64 I got it while I was still in the 4th grade. I’m now in my senior year in high school.
The lighting change is to compensate for the 3ds's screen. Since it's hard to see things on a 3ds screen outside. So if the lighting matched the lighting of the original, then they might have been really hard to see outside
The 3ds is already unplayable 'outside' unless it's cloudy.
That applies to the original model. The redesigns don't really have that problem anymore, so it's a victim of circumstance.
@@TheWeedIsland Honestly I've found that every nintendo handheld since the gba sp is unplayable outside.
@@animeking1357
Yeah I have a New 2DS and a Switch and they’re both unplayable outside. They might be playable if you live in a place that’s overcast all the time but I’m in Australia haha
@@animeking1357 yeah, you either need no backlight or a really bright one. Phones are the same way, but they always choose the latter.
Man when I was a kid, my mum came home with this game and I was so damn excited. Just seeing kokiri forest and wandering around with blanket around me while it was raining outside. I played this so much that the circle pad on my 2ds lost its rubber.
That there is a cozy memory :)
Me and the N64 version have way cozier memories
@@fortyozsteak Same, but with the Collectors Edition on GC lol.
I’m playing majoras mask for the first time and i just lost the rubber in my circle pad yesterday after finally reaching ikana canyon. these are special games, man
I can't believe i already have nostalgia for the 3ds version of oot
Think of it like this. The 3DS version came out 9 years ago. People were nostalgic for the original N64 version by the time Twilight Princess came out and that was only 7-8 years after OoT.
You mean Zoot, right?
I have nostalgia for it since it was my first Zelda
You know what is funny? I have nostalgia for Breath of the Wild... Something about that games most powerful feature, being it's discovery and exploration that can't be experienced twice, makes me feel nostalgic about the first time I ever played through the game, launch night, picking up my switch and playing it till like 4am and just being blown away.
And this is coming from someone who's first ever gaming experience was Zelda OoT on the N64 way back and has bought every Zelda since.
@Jock Turner
Explain to me how what you said could possibly be considered "funny"
The opening music for Ocarina of Time is just so beautiful.
Still recycled from Mario Bros. 3 flute sound in Mario Allstars
@@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442 The melody is different
@@lukejones7164 no, and there is even one more game they used it in, but I forgot which one it was.
@@fillgollinsdergroarticheme8442 original zelda
Geschäftsmodell Klimakrise well the Mario bros flute theme is just a rip off of the original Zelda whistle theme, so the theme inherently begins in Zelda
2041: "the charming crappiness of the ps4..."
Lol
Remakes will keep the constant elevators hiding loading times to preserve the charm of the original
"Ahh, TAA blurring and ghosting, how nostalgic"
Honestly, as a muslim, i am glad they changed the music in the fire temple.
Not because it was offensive or anything like that, but because it was extremly distracting, i kept feeling like i should go pray every five minutes, and the music works well even without the chant so it's all good.
The symbols thought are overkill, i never looked at them and thought they were religious symbols before the internet, I mean the Moon is a real thing not just an islamic symbole. it would be like taking off all "+" signs from calculators cause they looks like Christian crosses.
It's also just kinda strange to have real world stuff in an independent fantasy world, though I suppose you could argue that the fact that they all speak whatever language the game is localized for already breaks that immersion anyway lol
Since my childhood i love the original design of the mirrorshield, idk the new version of it look not so clean :D
It's not even actual Muslim chanting, I saw a video breakdown of it years ago but it's just random royalty free chanting.
*angry earthbound noises*
Wow, look everyone, there actually exists religious people with a brain!
Jokes aside, the most religious people getting attention in media, regardless of religion, are sadly the fanatic idiots who keeps getting offended by everything. It's really nice to see someone with a brain getting their voice heard for a chance!
The Zelda Ocarina of time title card theme is one of my favorite pieces of video game music. That with Majora's mask astral observatory.
I love it, even though it's the melody from the flute in SMB3.
@@CrimzonAE Which is itself the melody from the flute in Zelda 1.
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@@F-Lambda HOLY SHIT YOU JUST BLEW MY FUCKING MIND
Astral Observatory is my favorite theme from any video game ever. Such an amazing theme and I get goose bumps every time! It’s so beautiful!
Song of Healing all the way
you sound like you always got one eyebrow raised
I think its both eyebrows
Oh god thats how Im gonna visualize him from now on
In 1998 Nerrel used to have one eyebrow raised, however in 2009 we remastered the man Nerrel and added in an effect that allows him to raise BOTH eyebrows at the same time.. in 3D!
If you read this in Nerrels voice give this comment a 👍
Hmm I wonder if this could go to r/rareinsult but is it that much of an insult ?
True, he sounds like he is always 🤨
I think the brightness thing could be due to the 3ds being a portable console, meaning players would possibly be playing it outside and dealing with glare, as opposed to an indoor tv
nobody is playing a 3ds outside
@@ninjafrog6966TRUE!!
@@ninjafrog6966apart from everyone who did because its a handheld console
@@ninjafrog6966 i did and still do
@@lucyfer_the_catdoubt
i havent played Zelda in over 18 years. im recently getting back into video games and bought the 3ds to play this remake. I am so excited about this game.
i remember not reading any of the dialog as a kid so i never really understood the story, now that im an adult its all making sense now!!!
Omg must have taken you ages 😂
I mean, it's a children story. Nothing much to it tbh....
@@retrobit5973 okay ?
Not so much that it's a children's story because it is dark in nature. The overall story structure is generic hero's tale though like most Zeldas so it's not hard to keep up with. It manages to feel personal in a way few games do though
@@retrobit5973 a children's story about a kid's entire childhood being taken from him "for the good of the land", finding out in the initial timejump that none of your friends are there anymore and so many people have straight up died. Seeing corpses in the castle not knowing how many of them you might have talked to as townsfolk just a few minutes ago before you time jumped.
And then when you've finally killed Ganon- being told to just go enjoy that stolen time as if what he witnessed would ever make being that kid possible again, and leaving alltogether only for the events of Majora to take place.
But yes, a children's story.
“Piano music awkwardly performed by Nerrel”
Nerrel what the fUCk you didn’t tell us you were a _musician_
Do more that was great!
please make this its own video
Yes Nerrel PLS
Not trying to be an asshole or anything, but just letting you know that you don't need to be a musician to play the Ocarina of Time intro song on the piano. It's one of the easiest songs around and takes very little time to learn and can be played by anyone who is just at basic level.
@ the dude above me: cool fact, if you play music in any capacity, you're a musician. "musician" doesn't have to equal "classically trained/piano master/prodigy/etc". Like to go for runs? You're a runner. Play an instrument? Cool, you're a musician. The word is a neutral term and doesn't imply something more than just being someone that plays music!
Aside from that, it was a really nice execution of the OoT intro, and it sounded great.
@@GayRiku Fair enough. Although I play piano as a hobby at basic level and I would never, ever call myself a musician. That would be like playing soccer on the weekend with friends and tell people you are a soccer player.
I love how you sound kinda dry and analytical, but still has the skills to add in jokes which makes me laugh out loud. Great review!
You should check out Matthewmatosis if you haven't already, he has a very similar style and is also great
@@ewwwwpoopy I was just about to mention mattosis
I love his videos
and he stays to the point with no garbage, kept me interested the whole video
@@likeanuuk6612 Yup, this! There's no filler content. He even started the analysis just as the video started. There weren't any obnoxious intros followed by another intro where he'd go through his childhood and what the game meant to him like a lot of people tend to do. He got right to it.
Haha, such a lowkey backhanded compliment. So funny. I fully agree, tho. Good jokes.
oot : someone gets stabbed in the head
ESRB : i sleep
also oot : has a tad bit of blood
ESRB : *REAL SHIT*
Pretty much my only complaint about this one compared to the original is the change of atmosphere for Ganon. Other than that i think it's a perfect remaster.
OOT 3D is my childhood game, this shows how remakes can help people enjoy old experiences.
OoT is a masterpiece
So glad I'm not the only one felling in love with this game despite being a remake
ChildHood?, How old are you?
@@jesusramirezromo2037 15, i played it when i was about 9 to 10 years old
@@misadique845 That's nice.
Should have added Tingle as a secret boss fight.
4 twerking tingles out of 10
"What's this? You have a fairy?"
"..."
*"Not anymore!"*
*Battle Trumpets Start*
@Benjamin Figgins I read that as "Not great, not edible" at first.
Yeah.
The thumbnail is truly incredible.
The thing I absolutely loved about your piano performance wasn't just the execution (it was brilliant mind you), but also the clunky mechanical sounds of the piano keys and pedals, which added an organic and natural feeling to the music being played. Absolutely astonishing!
I didn’t realize that was him playing. Pretty impressive for sure
I loved that touch , felt beautiful
"They don't have far to go..."
Damn. That sent a chill up and down my spine twice. You're totally right about that, and OOT could be a perfect game if they remastered it just one more time for the Switch.
It would be kinda cool playing from the game with the original source code still there in part, but I wonder if it would be even better making it on the BOTW engine.
@@slackingsource I don't get why people want a remake with the BotW engine. It's a good game but it's also completely different than OoT.
Definitely - it seems like there is so little Grezzo and Nintendo would have to update the game to truly make it one of the greatest games of all time (again). Touching up all of the textures, models, and some other loose ends would be amazing
Kendellbud02 I kind of like it as the 3ds version, I don’t think I would like the game as much if it had high quality graphics, the low res graphics just makes it look a lot better/nostalgic in my opinion
OOT should be remastered at least every 20-50 years just so every generation could enjoy it.
You performed the outro? Good shit man. Sounds gorgeous and was a perfect conclusion.
Edit: Is that you again at 1:35, Nerrel? Hot damn you sneaky bastard. Your talent is NOT awkward at all.
But did he perform the outro or the intro?? 😳
Beautiful!
It sounds like the original Kiriko village music to me, but sped up. Maybe he changed it a bit, hard to tell though as he's talking over it
That ending actually got my heart broken, what a beautiful piece, absolutely melancholic in the most perfect way, and the way it was played was damn near tear inducing. Makes me feel things I didn't even know I had in me.
One thing that Nintendo made with this game and also with Mario 64, is that the credits theme uses every instrument of its soundfont. For some reason every time OOT's credits's bells drop at the end I get misty-eyed.
I've never even played N64 or 3ds but it was beautiful. Now I really want to try it
I just noticed that that's you playing the piano at the end, and it didn't sound awkward at all! Insightful critique, witty humor, art Skillz and musical prowess? Bruv what can't you do
Ever since TH-cam basically forced me to watch your MM3D video (and for a second time recently), I have been subscribed. I have not regretted it, you have turned into one of my favorite creators on the platform.
(also its pretty cool that you played the piano at the end, that was a good surprise)
Lol, the MM3D video, I simply refused to watch it until a video about emulation showed up. Then I thought "oh this video is made by the same guy? Let's watch it then!" Subscribed since
Same.
One thing honestly that did bug me about the 3DS version is that they removed the "mario character pictures in the castle courtyard window" easter egg, and replaced it with some random 3D Mario side-scroller level picture.
I know that's a massive nitpick on my part, but I always liked that Easter Egg, especially playing through OOT right after playing through SM64. But overall, yes, I agree, it was a very solid remake.
Actually they just updated those Easter eggs
@@andryuu_2000 Did they? How so, if you don't mind me asking? =)
@@IamCanadian3333 I think he's referring to what you've already said? About the Easter egg now being a part of a 2D Mario level. It's still cool, but I would've liked if they still had included the characters like with the N64 portraits
If they had golden portraits of character renders I’d be so happy
@@IamCanadian3333 it is a massive nitpick. you like only certain kinds of a Mario references? so the easter egg is in the same spot and has the same effect when shot and involves the same franchise, but it's not a picture frame of Mario this time...so you don't like it? to say nothing of the massive untouched Mario reference in the characters of Malon, Talon, and Ingo...with their Bowser broaches and their outright design parallels to Peach, Mario, and Luigi. Oh, and there's the additional Mario reference in the Happy Mask Shop since they connect him more to Majora's Mask by showing all his masks and gear. But no...this one reference is changed and it's no bueno?
I'd say the Ganon battle in OOT3D is the only part of the game which falls short in comparison to the N64 original. The original battle evoked a sense of horror and dread, since you could barely see Ganon, except for two big yellow eyes, and lightning strikes briefly but barely illuminating his body.
Yeah, they messed up the culmination of the game. Not a small mistake imo.
@@zemocon2868I couldn't agree more
I've found that the fall damage canceling roll works best when you're dropping, not jumping. For example, when you're hanging on a ledge and drop, or if you do a short hop off the ledge. I don't really know how to manipulate the latter, so I generally stick to the former. Some ledges can't be grabbed or short hopped off of, but walking slowly will cause Link to just drop down, the roll should work with that too. Of course, as with the N64 version, falling a super long distance will disable the roll altogether, so don't even bother.
depends on the distance away you are from the ledge. if ur a super small distance away from the ledge you grab on to the ledge, if you are far enough to build up a run for half a second before you reach the ledge you'll short hop.
You can low jump off of any ledge if you do a role and the role animation ends exactly when you're about to hit the ledge. It's precise but it happened to me occasionally when jumping over the labyrinth in secret forest meadow and rolling inbetween jumps. Other than that you can just wear the hover boots as they don't initiate a jump when going over a ledge. You can even use that to roll off of the ledge high inside the windmill in kakariko village and land right behind the well without taking damage. I used to do a lot of parkouring and jumping when I played oot3d lol
it’s still inconsistent with the N64 version
I always loved the original Fire Temple Theme. The chanting made this theme stand out so much more.
Anyway, Forest Tempel still has the best music, imo. As a child, I always loved the haunted and cold atmosphere of Forest Temple.
Desty Nova it’s beautifully haunting it’s amazing
Yeah the original fire temple theme is an amazing piece
If the N64 cart I had was the one with the chant, I'd have a hard time deciding the Fire Temple to be my least favorite... that chant is perfect.
apparently the chanting is readings from the Quran, one game called Kakuto chojin had to be recalled for the same chants as the ones used the Fire Temple in Oot, and playing music with Quran readings is considered offensive
2:03
I love how Death Mountain’s ring isn’t around the actual mountain...
That's widescreen emulator hacks for ya
The blood was not removed, you can still see it. BUT, its colour was changed to a murky brown, which is how blood looks when dried. This change reflects better when the blood was spilled (many moons ago)
This is the only version I have played and so far I love it. I bought it purely cause a friend recommended I did and I never saw what all the hype was about but when playing this remake I had a ton of fun. It gave me a fun challenge that left me wanting more and the game was made so well that I could watch videos of the classic n64 title as a guide and not get lost or confused. It even prompted me to watch comparison videos to check out how drastic the change was. Overall as a new player I love what I have played so far and look forward to more
Nerrel: "confession time"
me: "oh God he isn't going to defend Other M somehow is he?"
The insta-charge shot from dodging is pretty much all Other M did right. Well, I suppose most of the gameplay was good, too, but the pixel hunt sections were unforgivable and first-person missile-ing was awkward.
We won’t talk about the story and cutscenes. Those never happened. Other M didn’t have a plot, it was all gameplay, that is all there is to say on the matter.
@@magetsalive5162 Metroid is an important IP to me, yet ever since I've branched out from playing primarily Nintendo games something has been nagging at me. Let's be honest, Samus's games have a lot of overlap with The Legend of Zelda. The sidescrollers are Zelda mixed with platforming, and the rest are (more or less) OoT in first person. Metroid's resemblance might be hurting it; it's never been a consistent seller. Link's series beats it in popularity (that's why there are many more releases for it) and is enough for those who want a mix of atmosphere, adventure, puzzles and some combat.
How about they explore the action angle they were doing in Other M? You could still have a large map to explore and powerups to find. Just make sure the combat isn't simple and easy to cheese like in OM. Correct me if I'm wrong as I kind of left Nintendo after the Wii, but don't their games usually have rather basic combat (minus their fighting games)? This new Metroid could remedy that, being a bit more thrilling and it would fill in the action genre hole Nintendo has.
@@protocetid I never finished the first Prime game and thus gave up the series.
Aside from having to go through the Lava area, what felt like, at least 30 times, the combat was the worst I've seen in a metroid game. Them giving us Auto aim and the side dodge made the game laughibly easy and it completely destroys everything that made the 2D metroid bosses what they were. You know, finding the weakpoint and then finding the right timing to attack it.
Anyway, I had a lot of fun with other m and I strongly think that a lot of it's Issues come directly from trying to please both the 2D metroid fans as well as Prime ones. And obviously they failed at the latter.
LMAO sameeee
Magets Alive I agree with nerrel on the story not being sexist it was just NOT Samus’s character at all, Samus has been depicted as this silent but strong badass more akin to solid snake than whatever whiny scared bitch that was in other m Metroid prime 3 did great on her character and how subtle the development was, ( as she rarely lets down her guard) plus being afraid of becoming dark Samus after seeing what she looked like from gandrayda makes a lot more sense than being scared of a malnourished Ridley whom she beaten a billion times
I really wanted this sequel to the MM3D, just more positive.
Forreal thought they'd give us an original 3ds game a Zelda 3
@Joshua Suh a link between worlds, meh I feel like it takes less effort to make 2D Zelda games not saying I don't enjoy them. Plus this is the 3DS not would've been nice to see an original *3D* Zelda game .
נחמד.
@@AlbertPuljos A link between worlds
@@AlbertPuljos and Triforce Heroes and Hyrule Warriors Legends
"I can only hope that they show the same amount of care the next time the game gets released."
This part aged like sour milk after the N64 Switch online package.
With OOT N64 being (almost, not all versions) reverse engineered now, at some point someone will probably port it to PC OSs and put in the OOT 3DS models, higher resolutions, free camera, faster menus, BotW-style Pro HUD (i.e. no HUD) ... can't wait! :-D
@@YASYTU the decomp project is nearing completion and the MQ Debug ROM is actually complete in that project. People have started efforts to port it to PC, but not much will probably come of it until the decomp project completes 1.0 or 1.2. I look forward to the PC port, but it's still a bit far out.
@@SyphistPrime I read about it. Yes, but it's good news, and it's only going to get better. Just as my prophecy foretold! :)
🤦♂️ he was referring to the next time they remaster the game, not about the emulated version of the original game
@@notsocooldude7720 Nintendo will probably use this poorly emulated version as an excuse for not remaking or remastering the game again.
16:33 Dude that’s you playing the piano music at the end? It sounds great!
I know you probably won’t see this comment so long after this video was made but I think it should be appreciated. I’ve played the title theme before on my piano and it’s surprisingly hard to get the emotional tone (and some of the fingering) right. Well done!
this made my heart warm for some reason, i didn't even play the original and just recently picked up the remake. this video made me happy and excited for what's to come.
The original is still better
@@dani_i8942 How so?
I prefer to play the original game on an emulator using a Rom Hack called Faster Ocarina of Time that fixes almost all of the flaws of the orginal game ( like D-Pad Iron Boots ) and also using an HD texture pack at 4K and 8X Anti-Alasing
I personally dont like how the 3DS version ruined Link's face, Link in the original game is a total stud he has a very angular and masculine face and looks like a man that fits the role of The Hero of Time, in the 3DS version he looks like a round faced baby, it's legit embarassing, the artwork of Adult Link didnt look so childish
Plus the 1.0 version has red blood and a darker atmosphere overall, nowadays with goofy cartoon visuals in Skyward Sword and BoTW, I truly miss the darker tone of the 64 Zelda titles
@@starship7485 what the hell are those complains about link's face lmaooooo
@@starship7485 This is one of the nitpickiest, most bullshit comments I have ever seen. Just cannot believe that someone actually took the time to type out such garbage
I really hope that Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask get a remake or remaster of some sorts on the Switch, or a collection at least.
They should bring those two with Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD in a collection actually, that'll be awesome!
Sameeee
@Gamer Owl
I personally wouldn’t mind a Switch port of the 3DS versions in 1080p 60 fps.
With increased difficulty on both.
Honestly I kinda hope they don’t. I have a 3ds and it’s only $20 there and great, and if they put it on the switch it would go for $60, plus it would mean that we would have to wait another year or so for botw 2... also like he said in the video it still has that N64 feel, just everything looks better, and an “HD” remake on the switch wouldn’t feel the same... plus the ds’s 2 screens are perfect for it.
@@Zack-bl2gg Also the 3DS remakes arent even that old. We really don't need a remake every new gen. They should do it as a big event when Oot turns 30 or something like that.
07:05 that's actually insane I love both versions
I don’t know why but I find myself coming back to rewatch this video every so often. It’s just so well made
Same
Same. Even despite preferring the visuals of the original. I don't even have nostalgia for it. I grew up with an N64, but didn't play OOT til my senior year in high school around a decade ago. The old visuals are just a lot more atmospheric to me.
That's the Nerrel effect
I really appreciate how you put subtitles on your videos.
Makes it easy to watch during lunch 😁
@@thekiss2083 and it actually helps foreigner like me that don't know english enough to understand it without they.(i'm italian)
I think that the parts that are brighter in the 3DS are due the size of the screens though, it would have been pretty hard on the eyes to have the same levels of darkness/visibility as in the N64.
Great video! I think what you talk at around 14:00 rings true for FF VII Remake which has been changed so much by now that it seems they were ashamed of the original
@Von Potatostein
Don’t know why this comment hasn’t gotten any attention, but I think your observation is correct. Great thinking.
EDIT: Please note that the following reply was made before the FF7 Remake released, and while the statements made hold up when it comes to the gameplay, visuals, and presentation, they did *not* age well when talking about the story:
I don't think the makers of Final Fantasy 7 Remake are "ashamed of the original"; they too seem to have the mentality of, "Let's not screw this up", and they're just going about it differently. They are trying to preserve as much of the original as possible, while also giving it the massive visual overhaul it needs. Yes, they are also making gameplay changes to the combat and exploration, but the original version's combat is available as an option.
Matthew St. Cyr not a good take. They went out of their way to change the story in a moment that at first seems “oh this is new and interesting” to “this rewrite is even more bloated than the original story” I have no idea what they were going for with their weird time-shit, but it is dangerously close to Kingdom Hearts-esque writing. Kind of sad, since it has a lot of redeeming qualities like the combat and Honeybee inn.
@@explodinglamps2021 Yeah its a huge bummer that the end just completely falls apart when 90% of the game is a more or less perfect reimagining of the original.
Von Potatostein I think you're right. It could be really hard to see the screen in full sunlight on the 3ds.
One thing that would've been cool is if they'd updated the game to let the new ZL and ZR buttons on the New 3DS function as the I and II touchscreen buttons. Or also update it to use the nipple for camera controls like in MM3D
OoT 3D overall looks better obviously, but I wish Grezzo understood the importance of the lighting in the N64 original for some scenes. The Ganon final battle is well known example. Another is the Gohma boss battle in the Deku Tree where you can only see Gohma's glowing eye moving around when its on the ceiling, and the full boss is only visible when its brought to the ground and lit by ambient light. Little stuff like that added to the game's drama and sense of wonder.
Personally I've grown to adore the blockiness of OG N64 games, especially Ocarina of time. I just really love the style.
I feel like n64 games like OoT hold up better than ps1 games. It's weird
I think what you're trying to say has more to do with the fog, and how things looked cuz of the system, in the 3ds version, the game looks more like: THIA IS THE WORLD YOU'RE IN OK? THE WORLD IS EVERYTHING YOU'RE SEEING
while the n64 is more like: This is the world!
*Or is it?*
The fog is here and there, something may be hidden somewhere around here...
Is something I don't know how to explain very well...
@@VonSnuggles1412 i think ps1 is 32-bit while n64 is... 64
@@RedTearStone5822 that'd probably explain it, lol
I agree.
There are modern low poly games like "get to the orange door" that embrace that style and look great while doing so.
Nerrel the only reviewer I watch that notices the difference in sound tracks in such detail. I mean this as a compliment I would of never noticed these
I've played OoT on the N64 originally, then the GameCube and then 3Ds, and I've gotta say the 3Ds version is my favourite. Many won't agree, but in my opinion, it's the definitive way to play the game❤
Just completed Ocarina of Time 3D for the first time and I can barely imagine how groundbreaking the original felt at the time.
I could never get used to leaving west from Castle Town to Kakariko Village in Master mode.
Same, I would've loved Master Mode if it wasnt flipped. Too much of a switch up for my brain to handle. It'd be like if you woke up and your house was mirrored lol.
@@SolidSnake684 I have all three versions of Twilight Princess, but I've only ever played the Gamecube version. I tried a bit of the Wii version just to see what it was like for people who grew up thinking it's the original orientation, and I was completely lost running just around the village. Viewing a mirrored image is one thing, but traversing a flipped world is really disorienting. I'm much more acquainted with Ocarina of Time than I am with Twilight Princess, which makes me wonder if the flipped mode would be easier or harder to handle as a result.
@@southpaw117Yeah exactly. I took one look at TP on Wii U and thought "no this is just gonna confuse me" lol.
I've been playing Ocarina my whole life, and having it flipped is just a constant puzzle to deal with lol. Really hard to beat that muscle memory. I think its worse when you're more acquainted with a game. But try it out if ylur curious. Its definitely a trip to have something mess with your mind like that.
Same, that always made my nuts tingle a bit
I agree, playing the 3DS version was exactly how I remember playing it on N64, even better because I got into glitches, which I heard were kept from the original N64 release intentionally.
God listening to oot music all these years later makes me feel so wistful
Ramp stairs were the biggest pet peeve for me. They've clearly proven the 3DS is very capable in terms of polygons, they could spare a few dozen to give proper block stairs.
Agreed, these stairs never looked believable to me and as a kid I didn't even understand what they were supposed to be until a while later. Even now I have trouble pretending to see them as stairs.
I guess Grezzo kept it that way though because it's much easier to apply in level design, not to mention that it would be a bother to model them for each area (or create a system for it). Maybe individual stairs look too "detailed" too. I noticed something like that in an early version of the graveyard from the giga leak: th-cam.com/video/f1RKSFLKuyk/w-d-xo.html
For some reason, they went out of their way to actually model missing bricks in a brick wall, when usually you'd do holes like these with textures on an N64. It looks very out of place, at least to me. Maybe they actually did use proper stairs for a while but realized they look odd?
@@MrFoxIncor they only had a limited time to make the game
I still remember losing my freaking mind when this game came out...This was the beginning of 3d worlds , I remember resetting the game just to watch the introduction and Navi perspective . The way this game changed things has never happened again , for us kids that grew up in the 80's the leap was otherworldly.
Good times ...good times.
i was waiting for this game.
the commercials were awsome
The original has a special feeling to it that can't be replicated. And I find the N64 graphics charming. You made a good case for the remake though.
Yea, I mean it does look cool but I feel, at least, it's just a little too bright and saturated colours. I've not played OOT 3D but in Majora's Mask 3D they changed some little things that suck - such as the awesome Zora swimming you can do as a Zora, they randomly changed that into a really dumb looking human style swimming. As a Deku Scrub they've made the jumping and water skimming really slow and annoying.
space koala yes but to many (including me) this was the first version of the game to them. Not arguing with you. I just think there is a different way to look at both versions
@The No.1 Guy i'm still playing OOT on a weekly basis (randomizer but still)
played both OOT and MM3D, although OOT3D felt true enough to the original, MM3D definitly didn't unfortunately.
since i'm also playing the randomizer version of OOT i get all of these amazing OOT3D QoL changes (use the ocarina with the d-pad, switch boots with the d-pad etc) sure these things should've been in the original, no idea why it wasn't concidering they aren't major changes but do impact the overal flow.
Since i'm still playing this game at the age of 27, when i was like 5 or 6 (can't remember, been so long) i can easily say i don't got the classic "nostalgia goggles" on anymore, still enjoying the game and the depth it can offer, the amount of stuff a good player can do (not just glitches but even actual tricks)
I do feel that since the N64 needed this "fog" effect in some places or the limited draw distance it made the area's stand out more, with the 3D version everything is so bright and colorful (yes maybe that's accurate to the original art design but it doesn't remove the fact that the more grim looking places looked way more grim in the original compared to the remake)
Links character model in the original is still one of my all time favorites. The remake version isn't bad but its not as gritty and angular as the original. The walk animation also looks odd and gives link the look of floating across the ground.
@The No.1 Guy Have you played OoT on an emulator? The original graphics were actually in HD, the N64 just wasn't capable of converting the full signal. They look amazingly better.
I'm sure the only reason those graphics are charming is because they came out during a special era of my youth..
I honestly love the spin link does when a door opens after a mini boss or whatever, wouldn't want them to change that lol
Oh I completely agree, I love the 3D effect. I recently did my first 100% play through of Ocarina 3D and I’m just about to get the last heart piece in Majoras 3D and I absolutely loved both of them. I felt the 3D effect was done extremely well
Yeah I love the 3D effect, I never ever played without it basically. Admittedly now that I am an adult the effect doesn't work as well on my eyes as it did when I was a kid. It's a tiny bit misaligned when it used to be perfect. But it might be because I upgraded from an original launch 3DS bought at launch to a New 3DS XL. I could probably easily fix it if I went in the 3DS settings and calibrated the 3D though
You actually can recapture bugs in bottles, though not when they're crawling into a hole. Which means that bug cloning is very much still a thing, a thing I did many times.
Just a minor correction, great video and I'm glad you made this to show contrast with your Majora's Mask 3D episode.
Oh fuck that's useful to know holy shit
I remember when I was around 9 and went to the mall of america to see the new Mario games on display. I saw a 3ds on display and when I opened it up it Link was in the dungeon with the redeads. I never closed a 3ds so fast. I got over 100 street pass tags that day.
SpiderSketches yeah
Why did you close the 3DS so fast
@@cheeseboi588 I was 9, and I was scared of the redeads.
@@armymenstopmotion6262 but what about the army men
@@cheeseboi588 ???
I come back to this video every couple of months because it's written very well and I use it as inspiration for how I want to compose my own writing.
I love the ending, "I can only hope that they show the same amount of care the next time the game gets released. And maybe fix up the few shortcomings they had this time around in order to make it completely perfect. They don't have very far to go."
I mean, that's just good, eloquent, evocative writing.
goddamn that piano cover at the end is so relaxing. You did a great job with that Nerrel!
You’re one of the best reviewers I’ve seen,judging from the fact that you don’t have really any review videos you’re intelligent as fuck and know what you’re talking about. Otherwise you wouldn’t waste time doing a review in the first place. 10/10 review
Yes! A Nerrel review, time to grab some popcorn!
3:24 That ain't a sword twirl, he just broke his fuckin' arm.
No one gonna talk about the cut at 4:45?? That shit was immaculate
"A charming N64 Crappiness to seeing these faults."
Bet that triggered a bunch of people lol
As someone who didn't grow up in that era, I find the original nearly unplayable.
@@stt.9433 Same here, and the kicker is I grew up in the next generation immediately after the N64 era
So y'all the GameCube kid generation? Me too
@@theacademictaskmaster6481 Gamecube kids rising up
So a 3 pound gaming machine is weaker than one that fits in my pocket? I love technology
Owning a PC from 1998 that weighs about 15 pounds that is less powerful/capable as a phone that weighs a little over 5 ounces still baffles me. Something that weighs less than 1/3rd of a pound outclasses it.
@@dariengoheen747 The phone must also use a lot less energy so it can live off a battery and not get hot enough to give you a burn, both require significant work. PCs have reached pocketable forms too (and they're not widely known for some reason), the GPD Win 2 is pretty cool if you don't mind playing oldish games.
protocetid I want a gpd win but they are beyond my budget for power.
@@dariengoheen747 The leaked Win Max will be using a Ryzen V1605B. I know, not exactly enough if you only want to play shiny new things. But I find many current gen games to be pretty similar to last gen with just a new coat of paint and some QoL changes. The WM will be netbook sized though, disappointing to us who really value the size of the other Wins.
protocetid I'm okay with older titles. I sometimes like to see how well optimized new titles are by playing them well below recommended spec.
I'm waiting for HD version from Switch. I still have hope!
My only complaint was the Ganon fight. When I was a kid, the atmosphere was terrifying. The original was so dark, you could only see the details when lightning struck, it was genius. The 3Ds fight was so bright, being able to see Ganon was less intimidating.
This game will forever have the number one spot in my heart. I'll never forget the feeling of awe when I saw Hyrule in 3D for the first time.
Couldn’t agree more. Thanks for the great content Nerrel.
I just bought my copy and im stoked to relive my childhood. You did an excellent job on this review and earned yourself a sub!
I also loved the 3D effect. It's a shame it will be lost if they ever re-release this version
Yeah I love the 3D effect, I never ever played without it basically. Admittedly now that I am an adult the effect doesn't work as well on my eyes as it did when I was a kid. It's a tiny bit misaligned when it used to be perfect. But it might be because I upgraded from an original launch 3DS bought at launch to a New 3DS XL. I could probably easily fix it if I went in the 3DS settings and calibrated the 3D though
It would be cool to experience what a 3DS 2 made with modern tech and high budget would look like. Massively newer processors, battery chemistry, high refresh rate, higher resolution screen with improved 3D, better speakers, materials, and buttons. It would be fun to experience
All your corrupted vids are in MP4, which you aren't supposed to record in because of possible corruption. Obs itself tells you this. Try flv or mkv instead, and remux afterwards.
That aside, I thoroughly enjoy your sense of humour and the attention to detail your reviews provide, and look forward to your next video.
.mkv is amazing
what about avi
My biggest complaint about the new Zelda's is the ocarina felt so much better on c buttons on the n64 vs the weird mapping of 3ds
Did you ever play it on GameCube? That was weird
I think the 3DS mappings are fine, perhaps they only feel weird if you're used to the original N64 version.
they took a little bit of getting used to but I have no real issue with them
What an inspiring video! It's the most perfect critic I've ever seen, it pray the good parts and point the bad parts with the solution in the same pack, keep up the great work!
I was a lucky kid who had an uncensored n64 cartridge. Sold it in college and I’ve regretted it since.
this was a very lovingly-crafted and entertaining video essay! i like your humor my dude and you got me really thinking and appreciating OoT. good work, man! :)
OoT was on my list of games to play (because it's historic, good, etc), so I got the 3DS version. Definitely a good idea for new/old players. The biggest flaw seemed to be the lack of darkness compared to the original. The water temple boss seemed like it was in a florescent-lit indoor swimming pool, but at least that didn't really affect gameplay.
It's kind of funny, despite people ranking OoT as the #1 game of all time, or calling each new Zelda game is "good but not OoT"; OoT's graphics and environment have aged pretty badly, even compared to other N64 games.
Now you know what Nintendo should do, they should release a COMBINED OoT & MMask in HD for the switch. It looks like they already have the textures they need (maybe NPCs could use a little more work), and while MMask 3D's mechanics are a bit messed up, everything bad with the game is described in Nerrel's video (and fixing those things shouldn't be too hard) Nintendo just needs to watch that, heck they probably already have, since TH-cam demanded I watch it for weeks.
OOT is one of the best looking N64 games. What are you talking about.
When they call OoT the best Zelda game, they're talking about the game itself, not the graphics. Gameplay, format, music, puzzle creativity, mechanics, story, pacing, and emotions.
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her it is not the best in that regard either. I think alttp is still better than oot.
@@lpfan4491 , oh I know, I have other games I like better too, and that have good arguments of being objectively better that have come out since then. It's just a matter of opinion, and I was explaining the basis of their opinions.
I mean,I would actually agree with the general audience that oot is at the top is I had a version that had all masterquest dungeons except for jabujabu(because that one is just silly),watertemple(Because I always miss one dang key in mq watertemple) and spirittemple(because mq spirittemple just sucks)
The first Zelda game I ever completed all the way was ocarina of time 3d. I was around 12. I got my switch last year at age 17 and Botw nearly brought me to tears. It felt the same way I felt when I first played Oot.
That outro music was much appreciated, thank you
Dude this is one of the best Zelda themed videos I've ever seen on TH-cam. You can tell the series hits home with you...as it probably does to every one watching. I've loved Zelda since I first played LOZ in 1988..and being able to watch the series progress(and digress) throughout the years has been awesome. That being said, finding those passionate about Zelda enough to make content surrounding it just furthers my love for the game...and you sir have some of the best content on this website.
Oh yeah... i think it goes without saying I Subbed to you. Keep making these!!
omg Nerrel , i loved that ending piano music by you , it was NOT awkwardly made , that relatable imperfection is what made it so emotional to listen to after such a poignant essay
I think this is your best video, mate. I really like how you took the time to explore the differences between the two versions, and I find myself agreeing with almost everything you said in it. Nice job. I'm convinced that the 3DS version is the definitive version of Ocarina of Time, and I always suggest it to my friends who are considering playing it for the first time.
This is a brilliantly made video man !!
You've genuinely become one of the "oh shit he's uploaded" youtubers on my list. Your videos clearly look and feel like they have a lot of time,thought and effort put into them. Keep up the great work man!
My real name is Sage. I clearly remember being a kid playing this for the first time and getting to the point where you need to help of the 7 Sages to save the world.
Ha ha that's awesome XD
@3DSage Jesus fuck.... Someone give this person a medal for "who gives a fuck"?
@@Iiphaedos I think that medal goes to you, my good sir.
@@shadoexperamint lol you are absolutely right. Had a rough day before posting that. My b 😳
@@Iiphaedos at least YOU make up for it, not like OTHER ASSHOLES on the internet.
This was an exceptional review and video - thanks for that!
You summed it up pretty perfectly. It really felt like I picked up where I left off on the N64. I didn't even notice how much they improved it visually due to my nostalgia goggles. It looks just as good as it did to kid me in the early 2000s. But I can really appreciate the work they did when you compare them side by side.
I played Ocarina of Time ALWAYS in 3D. It's amazing
Same, and that makes us resistant to getting sick from the nausea
Why must you distract me from working by uploading great videos?
@Daniel W why wont you let me make a joke?
@@coolbugfacts3953 what were u working on
@@ultramasterericharris5657 nothing, it was a joke
I actually like the 3d effect. Especially playing hours upon hours from the 64 the upgrades are appreciated.
Another thing about the Water Temple besides the improved signposting and lack of constant signposting is that I think it benefited the most from the glow-up it received out of all the dungeons. The effect of light reflecting off the water has been improved using so that the effect is weaker on walls further away from the water. The tiling is more detailed with gold lining marking the edges of platforms and breaking up the monotony of brick walls. The coloring is much more vibrant and the view underwater is a lot less foggy. And the hanging lanterns in the main room are a great touch. It makes the dungeon feel a lot more like an underwater sanctuary than the murky collection of hallways it was in the original. Between all the changes the Water Temple became one of my favorite dungeons in the game.
Amazing. Another great video keep up the great work! Also keep up the texture pack for major's mask lol
This game was EVERYTHING to me as a kid
Such an epic”, immersive journey that will live on in my heart as long as I live
Everything felt huge, expansive, mysterious, wondrous, and new
Each enemy was an impressive, important encounter and challenge....a lot of the enemies were frightening to me as a child too...
Each new area was an incredible discovery, each step in profession was a huge feat..
I felt like I was in in this vast fantasy world...full of untold adventure and secrets
If only I could go back to my childhood mind and replay this unparalleled experience for the first time again....
You know what? If you didn't touch the game in years.. you'll bath in tears playing the remake
@@andryuu_2000 he could have meant the remake honestly
This is probably the best, most well thought, and brilliant game reviews I've ever seen. Fantastic in every way.
This is the first time I’ve seen this channel, and this video is the first one I’ve seen of his.
I recon I’ll become immediately hooked!
His humour is so dry and passive, all the while remaining absolutely fuck’n hilarious.
Well done @Nerrel