Was Majora's Mask 3D a Bad Remake? (N64 comparison and review)
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- A giant nerd takes you on a journey through the questionable changes made in Nintendo's highly demanded remake. Contains strong language, Tingle.
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There's no eloquent way to say this, but putting a giant eyeball on every boss is incredibly stupid.
plasmanarwhal agreed. Thankfully, there’s a Majoras mask 3D fan patch that removed eyes, added back good deku hopping and Zoe’s swimming, and added quality of life changes such as putting the masks on the Dpad. If you have a hacked 3DS like I do, I recommend it
@@ranchonbread4905 Oooooor you could just be a cheap bastard like me and use an emulator.
@@astracrits4633 where can I get an emulation that hasn't been shut down yet?
Atomic Collision Nintendo can’t really do shit to emulators themselves, as they don’t technically do anything illegal on their own You can find most emulators just by looking them up. Citra’s apparently the best 3DS emulator from what I’ve heard.
The real issue is finding ROMs since a lot of ROM sites are being taken down. r/Roms on reddit is a pretty easy place to find ROMs, though-there’s usually a repository somewhere near the top of the page.
If you want to be legal about it, though, you could always just dump the ROMs onto your computer from the cartridge.
For other consoles: Dolphin is the best GameCube emulator by far, being able to run Wind Waker without issue even on my shitty computer, and No$GBA is my go-to for GBA emulation on PC. (It also supports DS emulation in a limited form, though it doesn’t seem to be able to do save states for DS and I can’t get in-game saves to work for the life of me.)
Options for Android are fairly limited by the relatively low processing power of phones, but DraStic is a great DS emulator (albeit one you have to pay for) and John GBA is a good GBA emulator.
It's because of the G VIRUS y'all
Ok TH-cam I finally saw it.
Just here before everyone comes.
Second
all of you shut the fuck up
WHY JUSTIN WHYYY
Same here justin
There's something really really sad about how the original text when you get the Ice Arrows goes "Try them everywhere!" and in the 3DS remake you can only try them when the game wants you to, that's just really depressing
Seriously. How could they just take away freedom like that, and in a game of all things?
Dont you know it's (current year)? Everybody needs there hand holded now... 😒
@@TurlessTiger The entire point of ice arrows is that you figure out for yourself that you can freeze water and then you realize you can use the platforms to jump around to reach places. It's teaching you the thought process. When there are sparkling lights telling you where to shoot it completely ruins it. =(
@@chuifongtam4703 well it wouldn’t be an issue if you could freeze the water everywhere, not just where the game wants you to. But that’s not the case, so you just end up shooting arrows until you actually hit one of the spots that you can freeze. Out of all the changes people complain about, this is the one that i understand the least. Either let me freeze every spot of water or show me which ones i can.
It truly is just sad... It's depressing... At least it fits with the tone of the game.
The change to the ice arrows is truly bafflingly. Why would they do that?
Who knows. It's a mystery, that will unfortunately never be solved.
“Let’s give to the player the solutions for the puzzles on our puzzle centric game”
not make the game easier ig and cus the head of zelda aji onma doesn't really like mm at all
@@primalvelocity3811 AVGN video explains it perfectly. They did not work sometimes
@@anomalocaris2593keyword sometimes, I've played through Majora's mask on the 64 at least 20 times and never had a single problem with the ice arrows. If you have an issue that only comes up 10% of the time it's not something you have to change
Easily one of the most iconic thumbnails TH-cam has ever seen
Also one of the most annoying. It gets recomended every week
@@JudgeHolden2003 Yeah
It definitely hits some Trypophobia triggers, ugh.
@@imperishableneet it's literally the fucking moon from the game what are you bitching about
It's pretty iconic, never gonna top the Plastic Love lady tho.
I love how you’re so self aware of the thumbnail that you decided to just embrace it and make it your whole channel icon
He knew he has tapped into something special with it, so he embraced the meme.
What even is it? Is that a part of the game?
Evan Bubnick its supposed to be the moon but it has some weird face on it and idk where the face is from
KibSquib48 i mean its the only clickbait i like
@@KibSquib48 It's the alien lady from Star Wars special edition's face put onto the moon from Majora's Mask.
Man I never really realized that the Zora form in MM is honestly one of the only times in gaming where swimming controls were actually amazing.
Especially given it was an n64 game lol
Unlike Mario 64 which had terrible swimming controls.
also hd switch swimming? it was better
the music dire docks is wonderful it makes the stages feel good
Truly one of the most recognizable thumbnails out there
He changed it. It used to be different.
Having the transformation masks on the 3 unused d-pad directions is such an obvious, intuitive, and simple improvement that Nintendo could never even consider it.
An alternative solution:
Just make them extra item buttons. Rather than keeping them static so in most dungeons 1 or 2 of the buttons on the D-Pad are useless, let me customize them and just have more items available in general.
Project Restoration.
And it’s totally possible in the N64 controller.
Nintendo didn't make the port, grezzo did, and they're very mediocre game devs
@@casaroli But the N64 controller's D-Pad couldn't be reached without switching your hand position.
As a 3ds player I HATED the swimming parts
I'm shook to see how the original swimming system look so smooth !
It why I didn’t bother with 3DS version. I just buy N64 version on my wiiU and play it.
It's clear that they were narrow-minded when making MM3D, and so thought that the slow Zora swim was OK.
I reallye like the remake and the original, but....i like more the original, the only reason u like the 3d it's because i can play it anywhere i go, ....maybe i Will Buy the original in the virtual consolé of the wiiu
I'm just confused that ,when the magic bar runs out you get a version
of the N64 swimming. Why did they make the whole magic bar thing?
Its just dumb!
Same.
I love how they brightened OoT, but brightening MM felt like a betrayal of the original tone.
Same. It would have been better as an HD remaster on the Wii U. Wind Waker 3D would have been perfect for the 3DS since they could use the models from the DS games and update the lighting, to make Wind Waker 3DS.
@@traviscunningham7062 Agreed, they also had a version you could get on the Wii U (using the classic Wii app) which is the version I have and the reason I'll never get rid of my Wii U, though its not remastered.
I Love the Darkness of the originals.
@@KyleEvra I can understand that, I just hate it when I’m playing a video game and can’t see anything.
I agree on OoT except in regards to the final Ganon fight. I feel that fact that you couldn't fully see him made the fight so much more tense. It was like he was a shapeless shadow monster, only illuminated by the occasional lightning flash as well as two glowing eyes.
Something about Odolwa you didn’t mention is how much his new animations lessened his threat level. In the original, he was like a determined and quick-witted swordsman. In the 3DS version, right from the getgo in his introduction, he looks more clumsy and tired and now has moves that further cement this new look of him.
I felt this too. His model is not nearly as scary as in the 64 version. Probably has to also do with the lighting
@@PanickyRedundant Agree+changing the fight from the original robbed from me what was a cool moment in having an epic swordfight/duel with the boss. When I originally played MM as a kid, I don't think I felt the need or understood how the deku flowers could be used. I just had an absolute blast of a slash off.
lol, he must have become real-time older between the original and the remake.
Majora's Mask is ONE exception of a rushed game being eternally good.
Holy sh*t, I get it! There are other games that were rushed that turned out to be good, just STOP REPLYING “MELEE FALLOUT NEW VEGAS AND SHIT WERE RUSHED”
I agree that for a rushed game, Majora's Mask is awesome, but I would argue that Metroid Prime 2: Echoes was also rushed (having been developed in the same time frame as Majora's Mask) and it is also, in my opinion, awesome. In both cases, they are my favorite of their respective series' 3D graphic entries.
Technically Fallout New Vegas was a rushed game too, especially with all its cut content.
sonic 06 should learn from other rushed games
VTMB is another :)
melee?
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad"
Majora's Mask: I'm about to end this quote's whole career
* sad quote from cave story noises *
yoUR_average BOI yea but if it got more time it would’ve been way better
Melee: Right with ya on that one bro.
melee?
@@awryri Super Smash Bros. Melee had a considerably short development cycle and thanks to many oversights made by the developers it became the flawless masterpiece still played competitively today.
Every bad design decision feels like a revelation since I’ve only played the remake. How have I been living like this?
You should wait a few years and then play the original on an emulator with maybe the texture pack he made.
Be warned though, the original is MILES harder than the 3d remake.
This video convinced me to not buy/play the "remaster" just at the deku spin being... nerfed
@@paolosworld99the only case where the original is miles harder is in the shooting gallery minigames and that's because aiming on the 3DS is way more responsive. At the end of the day they're still effectively the same game
Play the original. It's funnier.
way more fun too@@salem-salino
There's a patch for the 3DS version of the game that fixes basically everything wrong with it, and it's genuinely my favorite way to play Majora's Mask now. Love this game.
The patched 3DS version is the now definitive way to play this game 🫡
Project Restoration or something like this?
@@WhityLee_ that’s the one!
What did they patch?
@@celeste2762
The most dramatic changes are as follows:
- All of the transformations now function identically to their N64 counterparts (meaning Deku Scrub has its momentum when bouncing on water, and Zora swimming is no longer sluggish), with the exception of the Giant's Mask which was changed too drastically to simply patch.
- Giant Link and his attacks are faster so that it's less of a pain to use the 3DS version of the mask.
- Bosses no longer have eyes to signify weak points and function exactly like their N64 versions.
- Ice arrow functionality has returned to their N64 versions, meaning you can now freeze any body of water and not just the shining spots.
On top of a whole lot of miscellaneous QOL changes, this is definitely the best way to play MM3D if not MM as a whole.
MM3D was my first real experience with Majora's Mask. You can imagine my reaction when I realized "Wait, Zora swimming didn't sucked???"
Same, but Opposite...Zora link I thought was. really good at swimming...even though it Took up magic, it was like Goron links roll.
never knew till now but I still like the swimming in the 3ds
SAME like this whole video is a huge eye-opener
I played it and oot on n64 and I beg you to get an emulator to not suffer, the moon isn’t angry, just sad
same
Boohoo, the game didn't suck, now what to do?!?!
It's interesting how much of a divide there is between the two remakes. Ocarina 3D is widely considered an improvement over the original while this one...
It's because they were bold enough to make interesting changes and people are entitled and too stubborn to appreciate new things. I think this version is far superior overall. A few very minor dumb changes, like stopping platforms from moving and nerfing Zora Link, aren't near enough to make me consider otherwise. Especially when the brilliant new Twinmold fight is arguably my favorite fight in the entire series.
That said, Nintendo should have put a classic mode in so "purists" can play their inferior version.
@@IonSquared You are entitled to have your wrong opinion :)
No but for real, most of what is said in this video I agree with, and for me the biggest issue is how it seems like the game lost its soul, its all bright and clean when the original game had a very heavy dark atmosphere that really sold the feeling of despair from the world being on the verge of destruction. But for some people the changes are good, I personally would play the original one over this anyway so it doesnt really affect me too much.
@@HelmuthGerka I feel like the majority of changes he mentions here are minor nitpicks, while the positive changes, many like free camera control or Link's slightly faster running speed that he completely fails to mention, are very substantial. This video feels purposefully misleading in that sense to me. There are certainly points I agree on though, like Zora swimming (which is probably the biggest deal of all the complaints) and the ice arrow thing.
But yeah, the graphics being a bit too bright I also understand. It just doesn't bug me because I feel like the world is so immersive now and I don't think it lessons the atmosphere; but I get it. Either way, we both can appreciate this fantastic game.
@@IonSquared For a lot of us, the art style difference is pretty huge. Like, you could impose a cell shaded chibi art style on shadow of the colossus, but even with the same exact mechanics, it’d be quite “off” (or just funny).
@@Jackbarrany i think cell shaded chibi shadow of the colossus would be awesome
It seems like there are some higher-ups at Nintendo who absolutely lose their minds any time a playtester becomes confused or overwhelmed for any amount of time. With the slightest provocation they'll add in obtrusive hints, slow the game down, and remove options so that a player can't possibly do the wrong thing.
all games have switched to that philosophy because kids nowadays have too many options. if they get stuck they will just play an easier game.
@@andreslancheros2863
And as consequence, kids and gamers are dumber in general.
As a 3DS player, TwinMold almost made me quit. I saw it in 64 version and wanted to cry
WHY DO WE NEED EYEBALLS ON EVERYTHING NINTENDO
It is literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Imagine eyes on every dark souls boss. Just ruins the experience when you know how to defeat a boss immediately.
I actually like the thematic implication it has, with eyeballs traditionally being tied to one's ability to perceive magic and the spiritual world (The 'third eye' so to speak) and ties into the mask in it's colours well. What i dislike is the removal of all of the other things. Not the addition of the eyes.
@@bartandaelus359 lorewise it kinda makes sense as evil tends to have eyes in zelda since ancient times... also sometyhing somethimg malice eyes... the problem is how easy it makes it
They sold rareware, since then they wanted to preserve that tradition
Because it's an easy way to display weak points. Eyes have always been considered weak and they naturally look like targets so players ar inclined to shoot or hit them
TH-cam was selling me on this video HARD!
remained on my recommended for weeks
Shesez
I finally gave in, now begone from my recommendations
Me too! I finally caved in, and the video was better than expected.
Your the best camera hacker
I thought i was the only one! after months im finally gonna cick it
Shesez Holy shit same. The thumbnail was really making me skeptical of the video, but it’s actually really good.
I remember my general reaction to the remake being something akin to "man, this just doesn't feel as good." I was a little afraid I was just blinded by my love for the N64 original, but it's nice to see someone put it into words. I was never able to explain exactly what the changes did to it that made me like it less, because I was usually talking to people who bounced off the original anyway. It's just kinda nice to know I'm not insane.
The swimming was also a huge disappointment, good god. Even as an adult, I'd happily just swim around for a while.
The first time I saw the remake was on my friends 3DS because he was struggling with the water temple, in which I told him it was easy once you got the swim controls down (not realizing they changed). He asked if I could do the hard part (in the video) for him. I played for 5 seconds and though the swimming was broken, I was like "Why is he swimming like that? It's weird. I think your game broke."
I've probably re-watched this video about ten times by now, and I just want to tell you how much of an inspiration it is to me. It really is a perfect video in so many ways: the script, the delivery, your editing and music choices. I honestly don't know if anything I make could ever live up to how informative and complete this one video feels, but I really want to try. Thanks for the endless joy and inspiration your videos provide, Nerrel.
I was thinking the same thing
I agree 100%. I've also seen it dozens of times
I've also rewatched this video many times over the past few years. I'm not even passionate about Majora's mask...it's just a very captivating video.
I also enjoy this video a lot, I think I’ve watched it once or twice each year. It’s a captivating video about my favorite Zelda game
the review wasnt that good. as a person criticizing a remake, you should always compare everything, all the changes and make that aware of the viewer. all content related stuff, gameplay etc. i get a lot of the points he makes which the og did better than the remake, but the remake does so many things so much better, a lot of subtle tweaks or huge things that make the game more accessible for more people (which i should remind that nintendo advertise games for children).
as a person who played both, some of the issues he had i didnt at all (bomber running, deku on water)
a review is mostly subjective-based, your case should always stand more on objective things that even a person who loves the game to death, should be able to agree with. (the bomber and deku stuff imo is a more weaker objective view because it’s not as glaringly obvious) objective stuff should always be viewable not just comparing, but seeing the game by itself.
the remake may have thrown some of the magic away in return for some more quality of life changes (tweaks to the bombers notebook the song of double time gyroscope aiming)
but that doesn’t inherently make it a ‘bad’ remake
FINE, TH-cam. Fine. I watched it.
I mean, yeah, I liked it. And you recommended it to me.
But don't think you've won, TH-cam.
MushyBird McMushington Very original comment.
i watched it again, i remember watching it before, but i guess youtube forgot it, and recommended it to me again
@@RanomTrixie yeah me too. What is up with that? Imma send that TH-cam lady (ceo) a very angry email.
@@RanomTrixie same
That's the reason i'm commenting except i've already seen it
Don't even lie to yourself. This is your 5th time watching. This is probably one of the greatest zelda videos ever made on youtube.
Wish the same can be said for the thumbnail.
@@thesupershinymegagengar2034 lol
This and the A master class in subtext are godlike zelda videos
Those are rookie numbers
4th actually, i just watch it whenever it manifests itself into my recommended, it's better to accept this terrible fate than fighting it
Running out of Magic in the Pirate’s Fortress sucks. I also hate that they moved Shiro there. The Stone Mask is most useful in the Fortress, yes, but I liked that you had to go out of your way to get it first, you had to work for it, know ahead of time. Now it’s basically just handed to you. Unless, of course, you ran out of Magic, and now it’s nigh impossible to get the mask without leaving the Fortress to get more Magic!
Chateau Romani is the way to go if you do anything in Zora form.
Shiro's original spot at the Road to Ikana rewarded exploration without rushing the intended order of the game. Really, anyone playing organically had a decent chance of exploring each cardinal direction and taking note of the barrier. The initial barrier to the coast and ikana is epona - ikana further being gated by hookshot, then ice arrows.
Placing shiro with the pirates is a way of trying to spoonfeed it to you. MM is also exceptionally replayable for a zelda game in my opinion, on both a small and large scale - or rather, I should say the game experience can be different depending on how you play.
Heck, a player who has less than 4 bottles and is unable to finish the pirate's fortress in one go may decide to spend time exploring once finding the hookshot. In the case you didn't see shiro in ikana initially, but you did see that you needed the hookshot to progress, you get another opportunity to organically visit and potential spot shiro - rewarding you with the stone mask for your return visit.
Kinda lost focus on the point as I rambled on, but I think it's just such a shame for shiro to be there. Not even considering the *why* of shiro being in the fortress. A place that is prohibitively difficult to get into, and two steps removed from clock town where all of the guards are, compared to being reasonably far at the road to ikana
Them moving him there is fine. How would you know ahead of time? That could just be needlessly annoying. It isn't handed to you, you still have to look around. No it isn't impossible at all.
@@Xarenth But it could still be missed and it would be annoying and tedious to go back.
But it is still natural and organic exploration.
What if they already got the hookshot though? You are only talking about the more positive situation where they would already need to go back anyways.
It really isn't a shame for Shiro to be there. He infiltrated it in a attempt to stand out. Yet he is invisibly so he could clearly get in.
@@jaydenc367No it could not be missed. When you get near him, Tatl alerts you that something is nearby. The game basically holds your hand, telling you he’s there. If that’s not enough, a gossip stone outside the fortress straight up tells you, you need the Lens of Truth to see him. (The original kept things more obscure simply saying you need eyes that can see the truth to find him. Any player with a brain could connect the dots from there)
MM3D was my first time playing Majora's Mask and I genuinely wondered how people thought the deku jumping was so good. I genuinely thought I was doing something wrong, and I'm just now learning that they broke it on purpose.
For 2 years, this video has been repeatedly showing up in my recommend feed. Finally today I saw it again and i was like “Fine! Ill watch it.” But even if this video stops appearing in my feed, That image of the moon in the thumbnail has been forever burned into my cerebellum. Great vid btw.
correction: Hippocampus, my b.
Same here man
tip press not interested
This is my fourth time watching this vide i simply cannot escape the fucking moon
Exact same experience lol
The hippocampus is in charge of memory.
Probably the worst thumbnail I’ve ever seen especially for such a well made video that thumbnail made me avoid this video for SO long
I have had this thumbnail plague my TH-cam for months. I just pretend it’s an advertisement and scroll past it.
IF YOURE READING THIS CHANGE THE THUMBNAIL, IT MAKES PEOPLE AVOID THE VIDEO
Same
Yea I avoided the video for a little bit cause of it.
I honestly thought the video was just some dumb meme made by a boring kid. What I got was a great analysis that made me really appreciate the original majora's mask more than I already did. The thumbnail combined with the fact that youtube literally would not stop recommending this to me were extremely off putting, but the video itself is actually incredible and well worth the watch
The worst changed I remembered that remain engraved to my mind was definitely Twinmold. It was so unnecessary during the second half of the fight that it made me so angry thinking of that ridiculous fight! (At least I remember you don't need to rematch the boss to aim for 100ing the game)
Fiiine I’ll rewatch this again. So, when is this video going to receive a remake?
Wow, I thought this was going to be one of those "It's bad because it's not what I remember from my childhood." nostalgia-talk videos, but you actually pointed serious flaws within the remake that not even I noticed, and I played both versions!
But on the other hand the remake also fixed serious flaws with the original as well.
Bassically both are at the same level, just play the one you like more
@@BryanX64 no it didn't. It literally left the worst problems in and created new ones. Oot 3d was awesome, this is embarrassing.
@@BryanX64 out of curiosity, what do you feel it fixed? I don't see anything the 3d version does particularly better
@@JBLZFTW The notebook and the fact that you can skip time at specific hours, those are some of the things that in my opinion are better, but some people may argue that it just makes it easier
The project restoration mod for the 3DS version is 99% done and it’s amazing. It runs both on the 3DS and Citra so everyone who wants to play MM3D with the original game’s mechanics etc. should look at project restoration.
God bless, I was about to go looking for an HD romhack of Majora's mask 64. Thanks for sharing about this!
I just hope Nintendo won't take it down as they have done with other fan games and mods.
So I'd love to play this but I have no idea how. Looks like I have to put it on an SD card and then into the 3ds? Can anyone give me a layman's explanation of how to play this...
@@regnar_flowlluks Let me know if anyone responds to you. I don't know what Citra even is, let alone have heard of this project restoration mod or how to get it.
@@DeathRoadVolMU Citra is a 3DS emulator, though its still being worked on to iron out bugs
1:03 This monologue is so incredibly well written that it give me goosebumps every time I watch this. If Majora's Mask means anything to you, and you know a bit about how it was made, it just totally hits home.
"The game took the shape that IT wanted that take"
Genius
I played this for the first time with the "Project Restoration" mod and it is definitely worth it. It gets rid of almost every issue shown in this video.
22:25 Honestly, they should have mapped the transformation masks to the D-pad on the N64 too.
I kinda love how the Majora randomizer adds this feature to the original game
@@ellagage1256 the redux fan hack also does the same thing
Nintendo should have done ANYTHING with the D-pad on the N64 TBH
@@evenmorebetter *looks at 2-D games*
Wait, there aren’t any!!!!
That's not really practical with an N64-controller. The way most kids (including me) held the controller in their small hands was right hand on right handle, left hand on center handle. Reaching the D-Pad from there is really awkward. But obviously, it's a good solution for emulation where you can use any modern controller where the D-Pad is closer to the analogue stick!
Why is this still recommended to me? I've watched this COUNTLESS TIMES.
it's been months since I watched it and here ir is again, something about this video makes it perfect for the algoritm, it was realised in the correct moment maybe.
I remember that it was everywhere before I watched it the first time
Same here!
Though to be fair, I keep on watching it...
I watched it to the end to ensure it stays gone for good, even tho it's a good video and I like this guy's channel
Because zeldas a little cum rag that keeps fuckin around on Linky poo
watch it more
Funny thing is, despite all these changes, Majora’s Mask continues to be my favorite Zelda game, N64 or 3DS. Just goes to show how good it is.
Don't get me wrong, at the core mm and mm3d are great games. In my opinion its just irritating that someone would change so much about their game that makes it harder and more annoying to play on top of making it easier in spots that really did not need it
You are blind af
Zora swimming was one of the standout moments in the game. It’s worrying what the new team did to it…
It was the same team
"Because when a creator doesn't understand the appeal of their work, they're likely to make changes that undermine it."
The number of times this has happened in the last 20 years alone is incredible... TH-cam creators, mainstream media, television shows and movies, computer games (I'm looking at you, EA)... This seems to be the biggest problem when sequels get made in any franchise or license.
CUBEWORLD lol
"20 years alone" which is a long time you know in this regard...
I agree!
The creator of the alien franchise.
"The fact they didn't fix this but took the time to introduce 2 new fishing ponds"
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY LMAOOOOOO
Best video essay on youtube.
The thumbnail still haunts us to this day.
They made it easy in parts that should have stayed hard,
And they made it hard in some places that should be easy
*logic*
Except the, fucking water temple
@Dr.KoolAids use the giant mask and beat the shit out of it. Or is that oot
Sully5246 because in the remake Opposite Day is mandatory
To original comment
Like Megaman Maverick Hunter X
The original was made in a single year? Damn, that's the best example of using creativity to overcome restrictions i've ever seen
Well they did use the same game engine and assets from ocarina of time.
With the song of time, everything is possible 😁
that and melee. melee was slapped together within a year and turned into one of the most competitive fighting games around
If you reuse the engine and assets the largest part of development is already done, you only need to create content.
Of course there were some mechanical additions such as the time mechanic and the masks.
Fallout New Vegas had a similar story and its arguably better than Fallout 3.
Literally the best TH-cam video. Have rewatched this so many times.
I used to think the 3ds version was better because of the bigger inventory and ocarina button, but having never played the original version, this was very enlightening, thank you for showing me the light
Let's be honest, we've seen this video 3 times by now
Yes
Nah i watched 56888888 times by now
13 probably be back next week for 14 and 15
You mean 10?
Only 3, YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER
The ice arrow change pissed me off the most. I distinctly remember being able to freeze any water surface in the original, so i was really confused when the game wouldnt let me freeze water unless it was sparkling
too many possibilities for the average derp. gotta dumb that down.
ch282 i don’t understand why people thought this game was hard it wasn’t that hard
Imagine if there was a quest marker in this game. It would completely ruin the game.
I honestly loved that idea cause it makes things so much easier. That's why they changed that to make it easier for people who have a hard time like me. I prefer using ice arrows in the sparkling spot so I know where to use it. Genius change. I'm very impressed.
@@HeroShades fuck off noob
This video lived in my recommended vids for weeks, but I refused to click on it because I hated the thumbnail and thought it was just clickbait. Now I love how much I hate it. Thanks Nerrel.
I modded my 3DS and installed the Project Restoration Patch and it's a Blessing from the Community! Almost all Issues got fixed, at least the really big ones like Zora Swimming, Mask swapping, Slowing Time to 1/3 and Deku Hop!
Whoever played Majoras mask at night as a kid is a true veteran.. a true beast
That's true, specially with a creepy hand on the inn floor. Aah good times with good and unforgettable traumas
oh definitely, I do remember this game giving me nightmares when I was a kid. That dark room in the woodfall temple with all those shadow things scared the SHIT outta me
I remember trying to play Majora's Mask way past my bedtime. This was my very first sleepless night
Still good memories tho
Oh yeah yeah!
I seems like every few weeks or so, this video pops up in my recommended over and over again. That thumbnail is so uncanny it’s unforgettable.
It's clickbait in the best way possible. It's so weird that you HAVE to click on it to figure out why it looks like that, but it uses the iconic imagery of the moon from MM and the weird CGI additions from Star Wars to convey exactly what the video is about. It's probably my favorite thumbnail on the entire site. I unironically see it as a work of art, it's just so creative!
I feel like what was lost in the remake was the dark retro aesthetic of the game. Shadows were darker, lines were rougher. Imo its something that makes the original unique and the best way to experience this masterpiece.
You know something is wrong when you'd rather use Zora to swim through toxic water while getting hurt than use Deku scrub to jump on the lilypads.
The 3Ds remake makes it more tedious to do things, when it shouldn't be. All of the points about the bosses and especially about Zora swimming are 100% accurate. I'm not on the same page about the Woodfall temple boss though, since by the time I got there, I had never known to use Deku scrub to attack enemies through the flowers. Embarrasingly for the developers, the boss just danced and let me just scoot right up behind it to spank its sins away, very underwhelming. The Bomber hints were also usually pretty useless since the environment already gave those hints. Overall, I do wish I had known about how bad some of the changes were, so I could have waited to get the Restoration Mod.
the thumbnail (for those who dont know) is the disgusting cgi alien chick from Return of the Jedi that they added in the special edition which is super imposed on the moon from majoras mask. I think it gets his point across well xD
GENIUS
@Raving Dave wanna watch the whole video buddy?
@Raving Dave trash take
kairyon Aznable idk why I never noticed that. it's a great thumbnail
@Raving Dave Try watching the video before you talk out of your ass
One small change that really bothered me: They made the stairs in the Astral Observatory boring wooden ones instead of keeping them rainbow, or giving them some cool rainbow effect. I loved that area as a kid and it sucks they kinda ruined it.
Agreed. That area was like discovering a magical wonderland in the original. I became so muted by comparison in the remake.
Changes like that are really questionable, they did the same thing to the final Bowser in SM64DS, but why?
It’s little changes like that, that irritate me.
lol, that nitpick XD
I agree, ed boi.
This video has been in my feed for well over 3 years. I have watched it atleast 5 times and finally got around to playing the mod when it released. That thumbnail is easily one of the most iconic
Well LimeAtions, if you're still around a year after commenting, this video is STILL showing up in people's feeds. It just showed up in mine again, even though I've watched this video a few times over the years. 🤣
One secret minor change. A bird in the original can steal your sword, like how an enemy in great bay can steal your shield…in the 3ds the mechanic is just gone with the bird and the sword
Really… I didn’t know that. Man, I always love it when the game messes with you
And after they steal it it appears in the curiosity shop
That mechanic isnt gone in 3ds. The bird out in termina field can steal pretty much anything off of you, including your sword, and you have to buy it back in the curiosity shop.
19:44
-"What did you do when you've only 1,5 days remaining?"
-"Flying for hours to get that last stray fairy"
15:13 It never even crossed my mind that I could still use the ice arrows there because the game made it clear to me that I could ONLY use them on sparkling water.
:( this change is so stupid. It was so much fun trying the ice arrows on everything.
The funny thing is that remembering the original version wouldn't help there either, since, in the original version of Majora's Mask, the ice arrows don't work there. I tried it; they don't freeze the water in Gyorg's boss room.
Same
Triple A games aren't made for niche audiences anymore. They instead are only made for the lowest common denominator, the majority, "mass appeal." A game like Majora's Mask is something that only some people have the patience for.
The problem is that those of us who liked it didn't just like it, we loved it. This was the first Zelda game that I ever took the time to 100%. Whatever its niche was, it fit me perfectly. The idea of resetting time and again to do everything perfectly appealed to me. Having a higher difficulty, less straightforward Zelda game suited that style of play.
If Triple A studios can no longer make niche games, then they're doomed to lose their market share to Indie companies that do.
smoking a pack if you think indies will ever steal the market share. they’ll just satisfy the ones left unsatisfied by the triple a
@@aegis5986 perhaps the AAA studios will maintain their market share, or perhaps the long tail of the gaming industry will continue expanding until most gamers spend most of their time on games that fit that gamer's niche.
After all, the cost of AAA games keeps going up while the cost and barrier to entry for indy games is steadily going down. Additionally, sites like _this one_ make it easy to find content creators and communities centered around the kinds of games you like, making it easier to filter out the games not worth your time.
Someone is sounding like Cranky Kong! th-cam.com/video/hDE93Hg4pJE/w-d-xo.html
For the ledge in snowhead temple, you can run off a platform with the bunny mask, giving you enough momentum to make it on there and get the fairy :)
The Zora swimming was the thing that disappointed me most. When I was a kid on Saturday mornings, sometimes I'd pop in Majora's Mask just to swim. I'd go to the place with the beavers and just swim back and forth along their course without doing the race. I'd relax and think about other things while I was doing it or make up stories about Link. It was so much fun. I was excited years later to get to swim around in the remake, but it ended up not being nearly as enjoyable.
wow that's disheartening
did it ever occur to you that it was more enjoyable cause u were a kid? lol
Hard agree with you on this one I was really dissatisfied
HollaAtFlawless It is not because he is a kid, they literally nerfed the swimming lol It's so annoying that they had to touch it.
He doesn't even look right swimming like a human as a zora.
Sherk 2 video game quote:
If it aint broke, Break it
Nintendo's modern game design philosophy in a nutshell
Nintendo adding weapon durability and climbing stamina to Breath of the Wild:
@@ChrisStoneinator I mean, I think that's warranted, given that you can climb smooth, sometimes sub-90° surfaces with your bare hands lol
@@ChrisStoneinator nah, those were good mechanics. Admittedly, there should have been a costly way to preserve your favorite weapons late game, I think people would be a lot less inclined to complain about it that way.
@@ChrisStoneinator Climbing stamina is a good mechanic that influences progression and experimation, but there shouldn't be stamina for running or swimming.
I can hear the thumbnail singing a catchy beat
Hate that i really enjoy your videos because it means that occasionally this thumbnail will show up in my recommended feed
Just played the remake after having not played the original since the year it came out. When I got to the bay and swam as a Zora I thought "Huh, I remember swimming being way more fun, must be nostalgia." If it wasn't for this video I would have been forever oblivious.
It was different for me, I clearly remembered swimming was way more fun. Why? because the Great Bay Temple was my favorite of them all...
Same I was amazed to see the comparison, and believe me I spent hundreds of hours playing MM when I was a kid. But when I played the remake few years ago I thought it was nostalgia... or that I was playing like shit when I was a kid... or that I had became so much better.... and actually they just changed a lot of stuff ahah
I too figured that it had always been locked behind magic. I totally forgot about it.
It was the same for me but for the whole game... I really didn't realize how many changes were made until watching this video
I immediately noticed, spent so much time just swimming around back then , still knew it by heart :) this was a huge letdown for me
I am irrationally angry that someone would destroy their own art like this
same
the original's destroyed? funny, I still have my copy.
Lmao my guy is crying bcz of som minor changes
@@fausthanos08 I'm sorry but fundamentally changing how saving works, how characters move within the environment, and the atmosphere of the game among other things aren't "som minor changes"
@@nwcr_ they are
I got this video recommended 5 years later, but it's never too late. I've only played the 3ds version because I've never had a N64, I really liked the 3ds version when I did it but after seeing all the things you've pointed out I feel like I wouldn't be able to enjoy it as much. That N64 version definetely seems way better and I'll choose it over the 3ds one next time I'll play Majora's Mask, and the funniest thing is that by taking a step back I feel like the N64 graphics fits the overall atmosphere way better than the polished 3ds ones
please tell me how you liked the N64 version.. cause many people i see here are saying that the OG one is better, but i think thats mostly the nostalgia talking.
This video is like a boomerang; it always comes back.
this video remained 2 damn months in my recommendations
same here holy shit
same man. How and why the hell has it stuck in everyone's recommendations so long?
Am I the only one who didn’t have it in recommended?
Same
Same, bro, I swear
I watched this video months ago WHY IS IT STILL IN MY RECOMMENDED
I watched it now, and I know it will be in my recommended for the next few days...
same thing just happend to me.
Watch it *a g a i n.*
I reported as spam because of that
i'm glad its still recommended.it means the one who made these changes can see it and see how they messed it up
The project restoration mod fixes all of this and can even be played on a 3ds itself
The astral observatory clip also loses a lot of its fullness from the piano accompaniment being quieter and the notes aren't held out as long.
That bomber kid segment was painful to watch.
this video is so re-watchable
I think its been my 7th time watching this
Oh same! It's just so good!
I swear this gets recommended to me every week and I watch it every time
Maybe it's the Moon of Majora Mask with the Jedi Rocks' Alien Singer's Face as a thumbnail. I know, it's hypnotising.
@@nachovichoZX it is indeed
Saaaaaaame bro, i put this on repeat and watched the fuck out of it for like 3 days. So good.
"Someone who isn't confident in their work may see any little hiccup as a problem with the work itself"
Words to live by.
I remember my mind being blown by the Zora swimming on the N64. It made you feel like a badass, alongside being able to do Kung Fu underwater. The fact that they took it out in the remake is so sad.
I’m so glad everyone else has had the EXACT SAME experience I had fighting 3DS Twinmold. I was losing my mind.
First time I played MM 3ds and I reached twinmold it took me several tries! I was ready to throw my 3ds across the room!
I feel like i got a really bad end of it, one of the boulders didn’t register, and i was stuck with that stupid worm for at least another 15 minutes
@@aliciacleeland2257 I legitimately did throw my 3DS fighting Twinmold. And I am definitely not the type to ragequit anything, much less damage expensive hardware. Granted, I never realized I could throw the stupid boulders, so I was on that same battle for a good two hours. Not even an exaggeration.
Testicles????
Just spin the D-pad. YOu deal more damage.
With Breath of the Wild making a resurgence in Zelda games, I'd say they could potentially do these remakes better on the Switch. We already got a solid remake of Link's Awakening, so it's possible.
Link's awakening remake artstyle is crap.
Platform certainly wasn't holding them back, lack of desire to remake Majora's Mask was. Unfortunately for those that love the original, the majority of people get too frustrated by its' mechanics to stick with it and play the game the way it was intended to be played. I'd bet all the money I have on them never remaking Majora's Mask again, sadly.
@@RichardBlaziken To be honest, Majora's Mask sounds like the type of game that's not for me. But I can see why people love it so much.
@@ArilandoArilando that is a very subjective opinion, please don't state it like it's fact
Link's Awakening suffers from a lot of stutters through the game and they never bothered to update it. The game literally only received one patch since launch. I REALLY hope they don't fuck up OoT and MM remakes.
The roaches in the kitchen were the best thing in Majoras Mask. It showed care for the project and attention to detail which is exactly what the remake lacked
Mostly pretty good, but I have a few criticisms.
The new save system and added brightness are a bit necessary for a 3DS title. Outdoor light conditions can make it hard to see the screen, and dark lighting would make it even worse.
As for the saving, the original save system, While it’s unique and works well for the original game, it doesn’t mesh well with the 3DS. It’s prone to surprise turn offs from being dropped, losing power, etc. With MM’s original save system, or even the one from the US version, people might constantly lose progress because of this reason. The 3ds is also prone to potentially shorter play sessions from its target audience compared to the 1-2 Hour length of MM’s 3 days. It requires a commitment that the 3ds just isn’t made for.
Putting it short, this remake shouldn’t have been on the 3DS, and was only on it because OOT’s was.
And the D-pad masks isn’t a great idea. Just make them actual item slots. It’s a better use of it compared to always having the 3 masks, of which you’re usually only using one, maybe 2 of.
Regarding the first one, his criticism was not the addition of the new save system, but the removal of the old one. His point is that both save systems could have existed.
@@matthewmuir8884 The old one was complete garbage. It easily resulted in the loss of many hours. Power outage? Parent turns off the console? Game crash? Say goodbye to a good 2-3 hours worth of progress if not more. Doesn't matter that you quick saved because those f***ing quick saves are deleted the moment you load the game. No, good riddance.
@@thenonexistinghero I understand your perspective, but that is not an argument for removing the old save system; that is only an argument for adding the new save system, and no one is arguing that the new save system should not have been added; only that the old save system should not have been removed.
I feel like this remake is one of those things where it feels great and amazingly fun if you’ve never played the original, but overall a wasted opportunity to enhance the experience of the original fans
Yeah that's I honestly feel as well. I never played the original N64 version and played the 3DS one cause I don't own a N64 and I'm not a huge fan of the how the game looks on the N64. And overall, I loved playing and beating Majora's Mask 3D...but I do see why fans of the N64 version are disappointed in the 3DS remake
Yeah. Cause the fact is, it's a remake. No matter how many dumb changes they make to it, it's still the same game at it's core. It's only he people who played the original that can point out this minor flaws that hamper the experience.
@@arekmg0003 exactly my position
@@lukebytes5366 they're not minor. The Deku hopping is a flaw in general, not just from the standpoint of comparing the original to the remake. The zora swimming is extremely boring compared to the original, which, in a video game, is a pretty big flaw. The boss fights were much more interesting and varied in the original, which, again, is more fun. That's not a minor flaw. I played through the remake once and I would never again play through it unless I was using the restoration mod. Besides that, I just play the original. Which is a shame, because I love the visuals, aside from the over-brightening. So the fact that fans of the original still play the original or the restoration mod, kinda shows that these flaws aren't minor.
I like it as a much easier version of the game but its worse as a remake of the original.
They should actually remake this on the switch and optimise controls for the switch, or even just a new game like this with young link and amazing graphics and maybe adding a jump button for it
Yes, this and Ocarina of Time
Yeah
Too bad this will never happen
Maybe like a bundle, at the start you can choose either OOT or MA. I think they did something like that for Lego Harry Potter
relax everyone, MM and Ocarina of Time will be remade eventually, for sure. maybe on the next console, who knows.
The ending of this video speaks to me on a spiritual level. Artistic integrity is so important and I feel like older video games being remade with new quality of life features and changes made for the sake of bettering the game just inherently lose something in that transition.
i genuinely do think the 3ds graphics aged worse than the n64 graphics. the 3ds graphics just seem oversaturated imo meanwhile the n64 graphics are charming
true, majora's mask clearly had a dark vibe in and out of it's concept art, so i don't know why the blasted the brightness up. Maybe because of ocarina of time but idk
nintendo: **nerfs deku**
nintendo: **nerfs zora**
nintendo: **makes time tick down faster**
Nintendo: *eats a meatball sub*
oh no
It looks like it is still one Real Time second for every in-game minute
@@DocTime56 The Song of Inverted Time slows time far less than it used to.
Fuck Sandwich this comment makes absolutely no sense and I love it
OH MY WORD they removed the Zora dolphin swimming? That was the best part of the game.
I loved to dolphin swim at a corner in a certain way and it would make me fly straight up into the air and land really hard and lose several hearts. It was good fun.
Crazed Lunatic YES YES A GUY WHO FINALY SEE THAT
I used to pop in the game sometimes JUST to go Zora Swimming for a little bit
Don't forget the Goron roll also now stays active.
That causes way too many problems
@@sgillman16 Stays active? You mean you can't cancel the spiked roll?
Here again, for maybe the tenth time watching this video, gotta say, I've seen this thumbnail so many times that it's embedded into my mind
this is one of my favourite videos on this platform, watched it back when it came out and i come back to it every now and then. nerrel lore is sick asf, and i’m a big fan. keep it up brother. also i really like your opinion on the last jedi
day 999, I've lost count on how many times this invades my recommended, still, this is a very good video so glad it gets well deserved attention
To many times to count
Interestingly enough, my two favorite memories of my original playthrough are accidentally discovering you could spin hop as the deku and when I first saw how fucking cool it looked when you swam in zora form. I literally spent hours doing both of these things as a kid, and when I found out they ruined not one, but both of them in the remake, I was just like... why...
I have the best memories of Zora swimming for the first time too and it is a baffling change (even if I find the remake vastly superior overall and this video to be the equivalent of 25 minutes of nitpicking).
Racing those beaver bois for the bottle was SO fun. I used to spend hours just diving from the waterfall and swimming around their dam area.
i remember just swimming ENDLESSLY as a zora. no matter how much time passed, i never grew tired of it.
@@IonSquared the only parts that are nitpicking were both the slight change in the music and the walls not having the paint peeling off anymore. The rest of it was him pointing out big problems. (Ie making the first boss only beatable with the crappy new attack and the second phase of twinmold which as we saw, *many* people were complaining about it)
@@grapeheart7440 exactly who thought making twinmold phase 2 take 10 hits to stun and reveal weak points and if he burrows once during that the counter resets.
Being a giant is supposed to make you feel powerful not handycapped.
for some reason when deciding to play MM for the first time i went "hey, i remember there was a video called 'is MM3D a perfect remake?" and so decided to go with that. now imagine how i feel now halfway through and i decided to try and find this video to actually watch...
Man, this video is amazing, it opened my eyes because the deku transformation feels horrible to play and i remember thinking "it was always like this?"
I love how Majora's Mask is considered a masterpiece by anyone ever, ( which it is, the game is a legendary for being so different and meaningful) and then creator Eiji Aonuma goes and says "at the time, I think there was something wrong with me..."
I'm still so thankful that it even happened. The new BOTW sequel is said to be getting the "Majora's Mask" treatment even though it has nothing to do with Majora's Mask, I do hope the BOTW sequel has that same meaningful real effect as Majora's Mask did.
Majoras mask treatment as in it being darker. How dense can you be?
The dark souls of Zelda games.
YPhoenix they probably called it the “Majora’s mask treatment” as in taking the same engine and making a new game from it...
YPhoenix they probably called it the “Majora’s mask treatment” as in taking the same engine and making a new game from it...
@@thecreep5123 who shat in your oatmeal?
Exactly! The moon's face in N64 always emotionally confused me because it's expression was so ambiguous considering the danger that it was. When I saw the moon's tear fall, it made me think that the moon was in fact crying because it didn't want to fall, - hence it's conflicted expression. But in the 3DS remake, forget that. It's just a predictable and uninspired angry face.
Lol, no.
It wasn't expressionless, the eyes are way too wide, and the teeth were visible.
It was clearly an "angry face", the only thing the remake did, was make you question whether the Moon itself was sentient or not, as imo the N64 version feels like just a rock with a carved face to look scary, not actually be scary.
Imo the remake is more unsettling, in a good way ofc. The N64 just looked like a rock shaded wallpaper when it was near the end of Day 3, where as in the remake it feels like the Moon is actually breathing on your neck.
this made literally no sense. the original expression does not look conflicted whatsoever.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 the remakes moon is easily one of the worst things about that game, it just looks comical and kills any tension that it would have whatsoever as, again, it looks comical
@@rainofkhandaq6678 also he said it was ambiguous not expressionless those are two completely different things. It was fairly ambiguous too
The one in the thumbnail is easily the crepiest moon or thing related to Zelda
It's really pleasing to see content creators who understand the nuance of game mechanics and the story itself. I think the developers didn't know what they had. That pain translated into the game, the rush for time while still pacing yourself. Whimsy in the face of ultimatums. Sadness and unfinished business. Time travel. Also, skull kid is such an interesting boss. Not some big assuming jerk, strutting around to posture his power, just a low level imp who happened across misfortune.
Yeah, they didn't know what they had here.
This video and the thumbnail has become the "Team Fabulous 2" of the 2020's because my god almighty it won't go away. Almost every single side bar on every video has this MF on it and it WON'T....GO...AWAY!!!