Collection of Mana vs Secret of Mana HD: 4-Game Review Spectacular
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 พ.ค. 2024
- A giant nerd tells the world about video games that came out years ago as if he's the possessor of sacred knowledge.
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0:00 Intro
0:37 Final Fantasy Adventure
3:30 Secret of Mana
7:36 Secret of Mana Remake
18:03 Trials of Mana - เกม
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I feel like"9 tingles, but theyre sad" is the most genuine rating Ive seen given to a game ever
Seriously.
9 Tingles, because the games are that good.
But they're sad, because the package itself is kinda shit.
Yeah but were they twerking?
Seriously I felt that
Im in this weird limbo where the scoring is subjective, but that made it so objective
The sad mentality behind "HD Remakes" and such is the idea that quality comes exclusively from how modern the technology behind it is. It's the driving principle behind the pop-culture mindset. Things aren't good because they're good; they're good because they're new.
Except they aren't even new lol.
This movie is good because its expensive.
God damn you nailed it. I hope it becomes copypasta. People constantly demand remakes/remasters of already perfect things even though those are bad
Nothing wrong with remakes so long as they are done well.
Orchestral Fantasy is likely the greatest video game cover creator on the site. He literally just plays the music with the instruments they would have used if they weren’t limited by the technology of the time. It’s really good stuff.
Secret of Mana deserved the treatment the Link's Awakening remake is getting instead of looking like a cheap mobile game.
YES!!! Or at least the soon to be released Trials of Mana remake treatment. Granted, the verdict is still out until it releases, but it looks really promising!
You mean they should've forgone actual fully modelled characters for shitty little super-deformed things with dots for eyes? Fuck off, the Link's Awakening remake looks like a bigger insult to the original than Secret of Mana and I'm not even a fan of the latter.
They both look like trash.
@@zenksren8206 The toy like aesthetic is amazing and perfectly fits the type of dreamlike surrell game Link's Awakening was going for. Also the black eyes don't detract from the really welled designed models in the remake.
@@zenksren8206
Zelda "fans" truly are the most butthurt of gamers, and gamers are already the most butthurt group of humanity by far. The art style is not an """insult""" to Link's Awakening. Grow up, seriously.
“Nerrel, age 57” got me pretty good.
I dunno what it is. It’s just clever. You introduce shit and make a underplayed joke out of it only like a minute later as casually as if it was a reference to a topical meme.
It’s funny but it’s also like, entertaining to make that connection, because it’s simultaneously a joke about the previous bit. Gives you more to laugh at.
17:56
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
t h e l e g e n d a r y g a r b a g e t r u c k
_"i give it 9 tingles, but they are sad"_
They are still twerking tough, right? I need to know these things.
Tingle twerks through thick and thin
@@Nerrel *thicc
@@poodychulak grammar please
@@the_bane_of_all_anti_furry yo
Mana
You mentioned Wind Waker quite a bit, as somebody who only played the HD version I’d be very interested in a video about it from yourself in future.
Excellent video, and I look forward to whatever comes next
my biggest issue with that game is the complete lack of options to mark the map, which is a huge deal considering how many islands you can't access until you get the right item. with how huge the map is, there's no way you can be expected to remember all the islands you've visited but couldn't do anything with yet, it makes 100% completion, something that i really like to do in zelda games especially, very obnoxious and unenjoyable without using a guide (which ruins the experience for me), holding off on exploration until you have all items (shouldn't need to explain why that's bad), or just writing down notes on the islands outside the game, which is the best solution i can think of but still shouldn't be required in the first place
beyond that, my other issue is the lack of dungeons, as well as the dungeons themselves. not counting the forsaken fortress because it's just an extended stealth section, there are only 5 real dungeons in the game. out of those, i can only say i genuinely enjoyed 2 of them, the tower of the gods and the wind temple. the earth temple was generally uninteresting, dragon roost was fun solely because of the location and visuals, and i really don't like the forbidden woods.
Me too. It was one of my first LoZ games and I'm extremely interested in a video on it
I’ve only played the GC version cause I skipped the Wii u, so I’m also interested.
I think the reason he brought it up so much is because it doesn't attempt to fix many of Wind Waker's core design issues. It's one of those remakes thats almost TOO faithful
It's honestly a fantastic remake
I can't believe that's the actual soundtrack, my god
Fancy seeing you here
it feels even worse because i like some of the arrangers' solo stuff (ARM and sasakure.UK are highlights) but damn theres a reason games usually have a music director or just one composer
I can literally smell the work you put into this. The whole "nerdy" section in the end about the aspect ratio was great and something you rarely get on youtube if anywhere. I greatly appreciated the detail and passion you put into this.
Smash out more stuff like this and you won't be needing for success.
You won a dedicated subscriber right now.
Check out the channel Displaced Gamers if you're interested in that real nerdy stuff. He did a whole video on SNES aspect ratios.
Or if you’re desperate for the most nerdy content on retro game signals and aspect ratios, check out My Life in Gaming.
Also loved that shout out to the music channel. Just a quick glance at it and it seems criminal such high quality work isn't getting more attention.
"9 tingles, but they're sad" is by far the funniest thing I've heard all week. Bravo.
05:07 "This is a 57 year old man"
Well, yes, but actually no: this is 57 year old *Japanese* man.
Aging in Japan is like puberty for some people: It doesnt happen for so long and then in hits you like a garbage truck lol
Dialga236 yeah, sometimes Sakurai looks almost younger than he was 20 years ago!
no one has yet to mention the timestamp and the age being the "same"
The GBA remake of the first game would have been an ideal inclusion.
What? They remade it? What's it called?
@@dalgusmaximus4557 sword of mana
@@dalgusmaximus4557 Adventures of Mana on Android
@Some Girl Yes which is why it's better than Adventures. Moreover the story is slightly better than adventure, because the heroine became an actual character and not a copy of princess peach. Sword of Mana came as a substitute, because Adventures of mana has nothing to do with the rest of the series. Being instead a Final Fantasy spin off.
@@dvornikovalexei Sword of Mana is a superior remake
There is also a remake of Final Fantasy Adventure on GBA called Sword of Mana! The remade music is awesome.
Brownie Brown
@@tasogarerubica yes!
There's also one on vita called Adventures of Mana that's a bit more faithful to the original, despite looking a lot different since it's in 3D.
Kinda bummed that wasn't also included in the collection since it WAS on a Nintendo platform too.
It should have been in this collection, like seriously? For 40 dollars? They aren't selling it anywhere anyways!
"12 different people blindfolded, trapped in a room with no idea what the plan was"
That is the best way to descrbe this horrendous soudntrack. Great job on this analysis :)
Thankfully, the physical copy of the Collection seems consistently and inexplicably cheaper than the digital one. I've seen it go for $25-30 a lot, and recently snagged it for $15 on sale. Seems odd to see a digital collection selling for $40 while the physical cart would allegedly have material costs. But yeah, the physical release is much more in line with what I'd want to pay for it.
Yay, another Nerrel video that I'll rewatch 56 times because it won't get out of my recommended. Great work by the way!
I wish all channels were the like this. More uploads usually means lower quality.
Original Secret of Mana is tied with Majora's Mask for my favorite game of all time. I still get chills from that intro music.
Seeing what they've done with the remake hurts me
At least the Trials of Mana remake is hella good! I've never played the original but this remake is charming and simple, yet really well done. I hope it sells well. The Secret of Mana remake is a dumpster fire though, how cheap could they go??
[THIS IS WHAT SECRET OF MANA REALLY SOUNDS LIKE]
So it includes Final Fantasy Adventures, with that name, and not the GBA remake Sword of Mana? Odd.
Makes more sense in Japan since its the seiken densetsu collection
@@AceTobin Even weirder, the Vita / Mobile remake was called Adventures of Mana, so they can't even give us an official name. We officially have Final Fantasy Adventure, Mystic Quest, Sword of Mana and Adventures of Mana for the same game, it's ridiculous, how can you explain that to someone who doesn't know the serie? Sword of Mana is a perfectly fine name, they should've kept it for all future releases, some people probably won't understand why there's a game called "Final Fantasy" in a "Mana" compilation if they're not big fans of the serie (because let's be fair, most people only know Secret of Mana and don't really care for the other games, especially since they weren't big hits in the West or weren't even released).
@@MrCed122 This. I was confused why there was a game called Final Fantasy. Then I just assumed it was some dumb localization name they gave it back then.
As far if I want to buy the collection: Does Secret of Mana let play with 3 players? I know the third game doesn't, but I would assume the 2nd game does.
@@AirshBornely To be fair, it was sort of called that in the original JP release. The game's full and proper JP title is "Seiken Densetsu: Final Fantasy Gaiden"
Wow, Nerrel, great moves! Keep it up, proud of you.
Nerrel is such an amazing narrator, he could be talking about anything topic and I would still listen to him. The analysis made in the videos are always on point, and as a game dev myself I get to learn a lot from these videos.
Really enjoy your videos - the attention to detail on each game is worth the wait!
This is really the best video game review I've ever watched. I learned, reflected and also laughed. Congrats!
Always excited to see a new video from you and now it's one on my favorite series! Please, keep up the good work!
Thx for the recommendation for Orchestral Fantasy's channel.
these videos make my days i thank god for talented creators like you
These in depth reviews you do are amazing!
This video is hype af.
I like your videos, due to the presentation and how you argue your points, even though I don't share all of them when it comes to Zelda.
I would love to see your takes on Final Fantasy!
Specially with VII and its Remake coming out soon!!
My only gripe is they didn't include Legend of Mana from the PS1 and I kind of wish they had included Secret of Evermore too just for posterity.
KryptKicker5 that would have been great, but Japanese companies love to gouge their legacy games.
I got Doom 3 for switch for $10.
Why can’t Resident Evils follow suite?
@@genericsavings Even the other classic dooms are just 4,99 even Doom 64 then there is the DmC trilogy each game is 20$ while the full collection costs the same on other platforms. All this shit is just fucking stupid.
Legend of Mana is still one of my favorite games of all times. I'm kind of scared they are planning to remake it. I don't need badly voiced pearl and elazul
I remember downloading a rom of seiken densetsu 3 and playing it with my best friend in 2005. We couldn't believe how much of an improvement it was on the original. Plus it was like finding a treasure because we had no idea it was a thing.
This was the game review I didn't know I needed.
Will you do this kind of video for when Link's Awakening releases and maybe include the Oracle games for more of a graphics comparison to add on into it?
This video's great!
Looking forward to picking up the physical of the collection tomorrow.
Thanks for the tip on the soundtrack for the Secret of Mana 3D version, and the history! FYI, at least on the PS4 version, you can retrieve characters that are stuck off-screen by opening and closing the menu.
This is perhaps the most thorough and accurate review of Secret of Mana that I've ever heard, eloquently stated points all throughout, very well done!
That said, I have a major gripe with Trials of Mana that I don't believe I heard you touch on. That would be the horrendously clunky menus that have replaced the ring menus from the previous games. Equipping characters has become such a chore for me that I don't feel like even finishing my game anymore, it's such A GIANT step backwards from the speed and simplicity of Secret of Mana's ring system! I can't be alone in my thoughts here, am I?
Nerrel I love your content. Keep up the amazing work.
You are quickly becoming one of my favorite content creators.
Videos like these are great resources for people like me who like having more information on different versions of games I'm interested in buying, thanks for making this. * Thumbs up *
Dude, your voice is so smooth and relaxing I almost slept while watching, regardless, great job man your reviews are awesome.
I just found your channel and I love your videos, keep up the great work
Thumbs up for shouting out Orchestral Fantasy!
They deserve so much more views! :)
Seeing you upload fills me with joy. :)
Another great video. Thanks Nerrel!
You are the best content creator IMO Nerrel!
Keep up the good work!
I love your game design sensibilities and humor. Keep it up!
This is a fantastic review, series retrospective, and remake comparison. I hope you will create more content along these lines in the future because you're really good at it.
Secret of Mana was one of my favorite games growing up, and i still adore the original 16 Bit version despite all its flaws and technical issues. I bought the HD Remake hoping to relive some of that childhood magic with a new coat of paint but that obviously didn't happen... by the time i got Flammie i was so fed up with it all i quit for good.
As someone who's never played these games: This was pretty informative. I've been debating on getting the collection despite already having a SNES Classic. Maybe if Walmart is selling it, I'd get it since they've been selling games at a discounted price.
Dude, I can’t even explain how much i love your content. Keep it up.
It's important to note that you can hit treasure chests to move them in FF Adventure, and destroy them if they're open.
Wow! Now this is a quality review. Perfectly articulated! I wish the developers could see this.
Wait, you can save anywhere, the combat is based on Zelda and there's coop? Why the hell didn't this become the standard for JRPGs?
Cause it admittedly sacrifices a lot of the genre's strengths, such as strong narratives which directly feeds on the longer run times.
I have no idea. It's my favorite, but didn't get enough attention 😑
@@jackgarcia5926 it's not like games with those mechanics couldn't have strong narratives 😑
Also: Trials of Mana!
Fan patches for SD3/Trials of Mana are also very good, including adding the ability to run during battle, increased inventory space, and even 3 player support! (Just don't save on the Ghost Ship)
6:30 I think is not, since TloZ: Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks seems to have the same problems, with backtracking to explore a big, main temple a little further after done one normal sized temple and everything to get to it
It took me a good minute to realise the intro was redubbed cause it sounded just like that when it came out on steam
You should really do more reviews and stuff. Always A+.
Great vid! I haven't been able to play cause I am waiting for the physical ver, so this is a good way of knowing what to expect.
These games are my life, I can think of few things as ubiquitous in my formative years, so paying up the admittedly steep price is no issue for me, especially since I always have experienced them on emulators.
And considering this is Squeenix, it could have been waaay worse ie FF VI, Chrono trigger on PC.
I just came here to listen to the soothing sound of Nerrel's voice
The Secret of Mana remake music honestly reminds me of the NES MegaMan remakes for PlayStation. Loud guitar, metal-inspired, occasionally techno beats, it couldn’t decide what it wanted to be. Unlike the sublimely catchy NES music, Capcom opted for “CD” audio, which meant anything goes except chiptune. A parallel would be how most 32/64-bit era games wanted to be ugly 3D polygonal games that haven’t ages well, simply because it was new.
Fair, detailed and with heart. Very good veview!
Pperfect review and analysis. Instant subscribe!
This video and the sequel convinced me to pick up Trials of mana 2020 and it became on of my top 5 favorite games of all time. Thanks a lot for making these videos highlighting the Quality of the games.
Gawd Damn!. He went in on the review! Good shit
Mystic Quest was one of the first games and the first RPG Ive ever played.
Loved the intro.
Wall of text, name your characters.
Now FIGHT!
Immidiate (easy) boss fight.
Great review of the series as well.
What you kids don't understand - was this was the FIRST TIME any of us kids saw a co-op JRPG. It was SUCH an amazing game, not JUST because of the story, the wonderful music and gameplay - but the MEMORIES!! I remember playing it with my brother and beating the crap out of it. WE did it.
It's a MASTERPEICE of it's time and deserves whatever recognition it gets. Play it /w a friend.
You did a fantastic job!! I grew with Secret of Mana, I have a special nostalgic bond with the game. I tried to play SoM2 with English patch on emulator but it kept crashing. I'm excited to play it legally and now finally with English official translation. I don't have a switch yet, but that didn't stopped me to preorder the physical release. Hopefully I can buy a switch later this year to play these 3 fantastic games. Thanks for this video!!
Perfectly timed video man, I just bought a Switch and was most excited to play these. Got the physical release for $33, but after owning a Switch for a few days I'd almost rather it digitally. But $40 for no background options is a bit annoying.
Thanks for such a descriptive video about this collection and the series. I still really want to play these games. So not entirely sure what to do now lol, since an emulator is a bit annoying to set up especially for co-op for me. Maybe I'll get it on real hardware lol 😅
Great stuff! Funny and in depth. I'm a mana fan, and I needed something like this. I'm subbing, and I'll watch your other videos.
what's your take on the recent copyright slam on BrawlBRST and Gilva, nerrel? Also amazing videos, very sophisticated
Personally, I think BrawlBRST deserved it. He got ad money for it so it was fair. As for Gilva, I don't know their channel.
what happened to brawl? Last i heard Nintendo complained about them having Nintendo songs
@generic name Brutal.
@generic name because, despite how useful it was (and I used the channel as well) it was still infringement and they still had every right to take it down
Brawl got ad money? I'm pretty sure there wasn't any ads on the videos when I was listening to them 🤔
Nerrel, I love your content so much man. I'm looking forward to each upload. You have a great voice and you just seem so thoughtful, I'd watch a video about how to watch paint dry if it was made by you.
Also thank you for briefly spitting on Cave Story 3D. That was such a huge disappointment as a kid.
The intro shows why Nerrel should be hired as the new voice actor for Wario.
I'm so glad your channel exists.
I hit subscribe and the bell as soon as you said, 'with science'. Great video.
to be fair, sasakure.uk, arm(iosys) and fhana are amazing on their own
Not to mention Haruka Shimotsuki, who is also amazing. It's a shame they managed to mess up this soundtrack due to very questionable choices in direction. Props to mr. Hiroki for trying something novel, but... It really didn't work out.
@@DrakeofStorms Haruka Shimotsuki is fucking amazinggggggg
@@aegiswim especially iosys
I loved final fantasy adventure! I played through it all the way and have fond memories of doing so. I remember feeling sad when I beat it, I wanted more.
Die hard fan of Secret of Mana since childhood here, and I must say the info in this video is ON POINT. Great job, sir.
The funny thing about the comparison with the OOT remake is that, Grezzo not only is good at remaking games, but the director of the original Mana games is the CEO of the company.
Why don't you just review wind waker if you have so much to say about it ... :^) (pls I'd love it)
I never realized how much Secret of Mana DNA Crosscode had until rewatching this video.
You should give it a shot sometime. Its extremely long and the dungeons are long & tough. It may overstay its welcome, but it has an amazing amount of charm. The gameplay is also pretty good. Definitely an indie that deserved the attention it got.
that framed "anime art" on a wall you commented on is the hero of Legend of Mana's official artwork. Looked like a neat easter egg if anything
"With science" I'm dead.
same
"Just one fan did a better job than an entire team"
That seems to be the case with a lot of video games. Likely because fans care about the right things and they're passionate about what they're doing
These kinds of people should seriously be considered for hiring; it'd be nice for them to be compensated for their work rather than have it taken down or even get strikes
The people who are working on Silent Hill Enhanced are clearly fans who love the game; they want to perserve the good things about the original and hopefully make it better for new players
I'd love to see your take on the different versions of Cave Story. And I mean every version, including that awful remake on the 3DS.
Please I need more Nerrel analyses
I bought that remake thinking it was the 3D pixel version and realized it was a complete remake. What a let down...
Yes please
WarlockX4 the other version of Cave Story on 3DS that is only downloadable through the eshop has way more features, more appealing, and only $10.
It's like a game in it's self to try and open the menu and cast the next spell on a boss at the exact frame the option becomes available.
Your videos are always a treat
getting high and watching a new Nerrel video>>>
you're the GOAT!
Your humor is fucking perfect. "Replaced with this platypus just telling you where to go" couldnt stop laughing at that line haha.
Subtle, and never feels forced. Great analysis bro. Cheers
i adore your channel. literally every single one of your videos is incredible and I rewatch them constantly.
At the moment one of the godtier reviewers, point by point and well explaned. Congrats b o i
Kikuta made a prog rock album called Secret of Mana+ which I believe to be just perfect. Any fan of his work should check it out. It has both stuff from SoM and also prototypes for SoM2 since it came out between both games.
Also, the download link for the ROM patch is down; there's a spiritual successor, that also includes many other popular patches, here:
www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=27890.0
Final Fantasy Adventure came in 91 so those are actually fully 16-bit developers working on an 8-bit system with 2-bit color.
feels like a long time since your last video, we missed you
Great review. Ive played Secret of Mana and SD3 and loved them to death. The 3D remake of SoM looked super nice but I havent gotten around to getting it T_T. Also wanna try The first SoM/Legends remake as well.
Seriously, amazing review. Longtime fan of the Mana series since Gameboy and the release of SoM on SNES.
Amazing job on this video.
Seiken Densetsu 3 was one of my favorite childhood games, played on an emulator. Never got to experience the story though, because I played it before fan translations came out and never came back to it. I've been waiting to play it for a while, but there's so many other games coming out around the same time that I have no free time left...
I can't wait for the 3D All stars collection review.
Nerrel you absolute legend
You seem to have quite the expertise when it comes to comparing the original release of a game, to a rerelease, and also to a remake. I'd be interested to see you tackle other games, like Metroid:Zero Mission, the Link's Awakening remake, and other like it. Regardless, keep up the great analyses, I enjoy them every time you upload them.