I don’t really understand why they would actively give up a market that they already have dominant market share in. It doesn’t take them a lot more resources to focus on both markets and they already have the products with the competitiveness but just pricing it too high. Maybe people who don’t know better will buy them still.
As long as people keep buying it, Nvidia will keep their prices high. if you want lower prices stop buying it. but as long as demand exceeds supply they know they can keep raising the price.
Agreed, AMD has some great options and Battlemage looks interesting coming out of Intel. Hopefully, those two can take enough market share from NVIDIA for them to do something, but I doubt it.
@@itlackie They said over on Hardware Unboxed that market share isn't really changing and prices aren't coming down because people hope AMD and Intel take more market share, but they're not actually buying them, they're waiting for "other" people to buy AMD and Intel so they can buy Nvidia GPUs at a more affordable price (I realized myself included).
If people will not buy it, thye will just leave and AMD will gouge us silly. They make AI money hand over fist, they might leave the consumer gpu market anyway. And not just AI cards, but fast datacenter interconnects, AI network cards, etc.
@@jimivel604 I'd buy AMD, drivers are fine, but I just want a little better software from them. That is all. Up FSR a bit, get a better ReLive. Also get better raytracing. Inb4 bla bla, it never works and not important and never will: it does work fine for me, I love the way it makes Cyberpunk look, and even if not, then for marketing purposes. It is like the days when we have pixel shaders, vertex shaders, and a few more (4-5 total iirc), and later on we had unified shaders, a 10% drop in performance but it didn't matter, all shaders did it all anyway. Raytracing core is just another type of shader, and that is why AMD made it work on their older cards on the shaders that were in there, I bet they are waiting for advances in hardware for it to make it into their cards full throttle and it needing no more dedicated stuff, silicon is expensive.
So you want to stop buying the cards, so that Nvidia lowers the prices, so that people can buy cards, so that the price can go up? This doesn't sound like a sane approach, people always buy when they perceive an item to be worth its price
The really sad part is that case makers and fan makers have new and interesting products that genuinely make me want to build a new computer, but between the graphics card manufacturers, game developers, and motherboard manufacturers, I can't bring myself to do any such thing. I'm losing interest in the whole hobby. I mostly still watch tech videos out of habit.
you can add in microsoft to that mix. having to upgrade a whole system to a 2x price to go to windows 11...smh. people aren't going to fork over $700-800 just to get a basement pc with min. gpu's in them. the pc i got now cost less than $1000 with a 6700 xt and a 4k monitor.
Shitty business practices motivated by monetary greed are destroying so many industries. Really disappointing and taking the magic out of many hobbies.
I was holding out for a reasonably priced Nvidia card to upgrade from my 1080 Ti. Couldn’t keep waiting for them to get back to the company I loved and switched to AMD this time. More and more I’m convinced my switch to the 7900 XT was the right move.
I made a very similar jump. 1080 to 7900 XT. It might not have DLSS but the 7900 XT is a beast at a somewhat reasonable price. At least we get to be excited about Frame Gen and the FSR improvements. I've been very impressed by that card over the past 6 months.
I did the same switch, but from a GTX 1060 to the RX 7900 XT. The RTX 4070 Ti was a no-go for me with only 12 GB of vram, because that card will age horribly. And the RTX 4080 was just too expensive. I'm really happy so far.
Nvidia loved miners now they love AI, they could care less about the regular consumer, they probably stay in this market because they do not want AMD to have the gamer market.
gamers market is there backup market when they when they met the demand of entreprise,proffesional,ai,crypto ect.... we get leftover chips wich has the loweste margins compared to the rest
All the 4000-series cards were already cut down. For example, the 4060 Ti looks more like a 4050 Ti (or so) based on specs. So maybe the 4060 Ti Super will finally have specs appropriate for a 6-class card. ...for even more money.
4060's only issue (even if it would still be expensive and a bad fps to $) is the shafted memory bus. If they'd of given it the 192 like every 60 series since i believe gtx 760 (excluding 960 which was outlier) it would of been a good gpu...it would of improved over last gen every time....but that bus is why it loses to last gen in anything that doesnt use dlss 3.0
@@hotaru25189 Nvidia has been scamming their way out of providing sufficient VRAM for decades at this point.... it's always, ALWAYS been the weak spot of their cards and likely a way to ensure their old cards don't have too much longevity (and must be replaced sooner rather than later). let's also not forget the GTX970 3.5 fiasco...
I was NVIDIA for ages, in fact up to this year when I finally needed to upgrade my 1080Ti for current games. Decided to jump over to Radeon as the price point between similar cards that I was looking at, had an AUD$200 price difference. The Radeon is performing well & has me asking myself why I would overpay for an NVIDIA card ever again.
Exactly. So many people whine about software support or "features" but really, 99% of PC gamers turn their PC on, open game, play. They may not understand or even care about most of Nvidia's features beyond the slightly better driver support.
@@empireOfLove2 I think most of the "99%" you speak about are not even on the latest cards (Steam hardware stats). Among those who chase the latest generation many care about other stuff, not for gaming purposes. I don't think 4090 sold well because gamers love the card
True, I switched to AMD too albeit from a very old Nvidia card. My next card may be Nvidia or AMD, it all depends on the value and not non-existent "driver issues" and features before their time like ray-tracing. And I may even prefer AMD as the software looks so much better, has open source drivers and doesn't have a history of screwing over customers like Nvidia does.
I feel sorry for companies who make other pc parts. They cant sell products because many people just opt out of pc gaming entirely when they see gpu prices
Cases are mad expensive in comparison to manufacturing costs. Motherboards the same. CPUs are way mre expensive to what they were couple years ago. Not sure about PSUs. Only people that don't go full greed on us are VRAM and SSD manufacturers but it is effect of scale.
@@korinogaro Unsure which cases your shopping for but mine was like $100 for a full tower. Has tempered glass and plenty of room to install AIO and not give a flying fuck about wire management (looks amateur inside, but I was just lazy and tired).
I gave up on prices and got myself a 6800xt recently after running a 1070 for more than a few years. I am pleasantly surprised, it runs like a beast and the software is just amazing.
bro, same! but i got the 7800xt, are you having issues with low spec or old games that focus more on cpu performance, i can play much higher graphics and frames on demanding games, like red dead and assassin's creed, but as soon as i load up csgo, or project zomboid i get worse performance than my 1070
@@statix hey. I have recently just been playing the cod and warzone and been having the time of my life with great fps and stability. I have never played the two games you listed so unsure what could be going on there. Reviews I saw on CS seemed that specific card you have runs it amazingly. I would suggest you make sure game mode runs and smart access memory if you can and see if that helps. Not sure if you are experiencing a bottleneck maybe but likely not.
Could you please list your specs. I see a bios update helps after reading up on CS on Reddit but it depends on new or older system. As for myself I am running on a 3800x and 16gb ram, win11
Fantastic card!! I owned the RX6800 for 6 months before my XTX and it was an amazing card for 1440p. Nvidia wishes it had as good software as AMD does. 😅😅
I wrote off the 4k series at launch, I was just as done then as I am now, with each new iteration its just more gaslighting and gouging. The 5k series will just be more of the same. Prices wont drop to any point thats advantageous to the consumer and if by some impossible miracle they do retailers will simply gouge them right back up again, to assume otherwise is IMO naive. Nvidias focus is as an AI company now. Period. Their gpu market motto is 'pay more, get less, buy more often'.
That's the NVIDIA motto, not the whole GPU. Even Intel are making significant progress with their market share. This will increase further with the stop of GTX driver support.
with the revenue from AI , i could easily see nivida going the other direction with the 5k series , and drop prices on it a lot to make them selves look good to the consumers , now i'm nto talking drop prices to 3k levels , but something better than what 4k series cost. maybe like a $1400 dollar 5090 (with ungoldy performance levels , a true booste ) , a $1000 dollar 5080 (that performs like a 4090), a $700 dollar 5070 (performs like a 4080) and a $400 dollar 5060 (that performs like a 4070). it would so be like nvidia to do it this way , and while the high end comes down there's actually a price creep up on the low and mid ends. but they could say "look at all this performance we are now giving you, at way better prices than last round! pat us on the back , yes oooh ahhh now get on your knees ... oohh mmm yeah .. take this cock and love me for it" which is exactly what they did on the 3000 series.
@@DenverStarkey I would love for this to be the case, but I highly doubt it will happen. The silicon node that they are using for the 50 series costs them 35% more to produce/acquire. I expect the 50 series to cost at MINIMUM 20% more than the 40 series, but I would absolutely love to see them do what you are suggesting.
Last Nvidia GPU I was willing to pay for was the 1080ti. I don't see them putting up anything worth what they're asking for any time soon. Unless they get to within $200-$300 of AMD at the flagship level, they can bugger off.
@@CalifLove The 30 series were great, if you could get hold of them at MSRP or at all at launch. To be fair I'm quite happy with my 3070 FE still and have no plans to upgrade any time soon.
The fact that only AMD actually serves the sub-$400 price range is just sick. I remember when the flagship models like the 980 and 980 ti were $450-$550 on launch.
"The fact that only AMD actually serves the sub-$400 price range is just sick. " too bad what they serve it crap and also too much, but they get away with it because nvidia is even worse.
@xBINARYGODx That's just untrue. AMD makes great GPUs, and they have been for decades. Maybe they aren't quite as great as they used to be, but they are still great cards. As much as people like to talk about drivers and software suites, if you ask most AMD users, they will tell you they don't have problems with them.
When and if 4090ti comes out, I would imagine a similar situation as for the 3090ti. People buy a super expensive card and months later next gen releases and makes it totally irrelevant.
Correct, the 50 series which is gonna be a huge leap will be releasing within 1.5 years from its release most likely. Pcie 5.0 data and gddr7 are too big.
I remember this was the case aswell with the 980ti back then, which I got, as has been the case since I can remember... but I wouldn't say it makes them totally irrelevant. Everyone knows they're paying premium for the 80/90ti's with next gens on the horizon everytime, it's all a matter of reflecting upon what value they can get out of said card at that moment and if it is worth the extra year or two they'd be waiting for the next 'Ti' of the same tier. And who knows, maybe you'll keep the previous Ti and skip a gen or two altogether, as is often the case for people that go for Ti versions. In some cases the extra performance is worth it. Depends on the person's needs and strategy going forward.
I'd be surprised if there are any price drops at all. I fully expect the 4080 super to launch at $1400 right between the 4080 and 4090 with the way Nvidia has been going. I've been looking for a replacement for my 1080 for years now and I just haven't seen anything at the right price.
I'm in the same boat, but I've came to the conclusion that my 1080 build is most likely the last pc I will have built. A lot of us are being priced out of the pc gaming world and I don't see it getting any better. If I'm going to be playing the next gta, it's probably going to be on a playstation.
Honestly, to me, it feels like ever since roughly the release of the GTX 1000 series, the industry as a whole has been adding new products on top of existing ones rather than replacing them. The 2070 is as fast as the 1080? Then put it at the same price point. We aren't getting newer, faster technology at the same price point, we're getting newer faster technology at ever increasing price points. I don't know when I'll be able to build another PC. Thankfully, the one I have for now is still good enough for how I game and how I use it, so knock on wood that it doesn't suddenly stop working, but if it did I'd be paying more money for the same performance as when I got it four years ago. Whenever I do end up building something new, I'm probably going to have to look at the used market and roll the dice that it all works properly. It's a shit show.
This makes a 7*50 AMD gpu that are sure to come out at some point look much more appealing to me especially if they have GDDR6X memory. They aren't perfect but they're much more affordable and if they upgraded from GDDR6 to 6X without a serious price increase, then there is no point to an NVIDA gpu unless you want ray tracing imo.
Except insanely overpriced Nvidia top tier GPU's will almost undoubtedly result in AMD's next top models to go up in price as well. AMD is a publicly traded company, they'll sell for as much as people are willing to pay.
@@A-N-X-I-E-T-Y I mean I'd be happy to pay a couple of hundred dollars less to get neck and neck raster performance and FSR lol. Plus VRAM. Hopefully Nvidia stops giving out miserly VRAMs in their cards. Literally all 40 series cards have less VRAM than would be required for their class in a couple of years from now (except the 4090 of course, but I'm not paying the cost of an entire high mid range PC build to buy a GPU).
I have a RX7000 series card and ray tarcing is perfectly fine now for the prive of the cards. Not as good as Nvidia, but enough for me for sure to enjoy my games. People dont realise that they dont need the best but what is good enough
About time they reduced prices and stopped price gouging. You should check out the pricing here in Australia. Looking around the $2000AUD for a 4080 currently. It's the exact reason I jumped on the 7900xtx bandwagon as I got a good deal on mine for $1450AUD
@@TheWebstaff the 1080ti was over $1000AUD here, often close to $1400AUD. so if you go off that the 7900xtx is a decent deal, I'd still rather not pay that but don't really have a choice 🤷
I'm glad you highlighted international prices - just what I was going to comment about. I think it's the same in a lot of places outside the US. Pricing on PC Tech is just soul destroying at the moment. Whatever price gouging the US suffers, I feel that those in Australia, and other countries suffer twice over as importers and resellers all take out their greedy cut. I'm with Jay here - there's just such disillusionment out there at the moment because too much has grown beyond the ability of most people to afford. These stupid prices are driving people away from PC's and PC building, and interest in PCs - in droves. Consoles conversely are becoming more popular - which I guess AMD likes. I feel the NVIDIA brand is being badly damaged right now and as soon as AMD and INTEL can compete with a popular product - the bad guy NVIDIA will be in a lot of trouble. Can't wait.
I think Nvidia is, at least from a corporate standpoint, done "competing" in the consumer gpu space. I think they want to put all their real effort into AI chips and are just squeezing every last dollar out of the gaming pc market as possible. They probably see it as too small a slice of their potential revenues, but also don't want to just throw away the market share they have, so they will leverage it to failure first.
This...they have turned their back on the people that have allowed them to flourish and grow and simply don't give a shit about where they came from so it saddens me to see still so many nvidia fanboys refusing to see what is plain as day in front of them.
Look at the shareholders of Nvidia tbh, Vanguard, Blackrock, JPmorgan, Morgan Stanley etc, they don't give two shits about the consumer, they just want your money.
I love PC gaming but I’ve certainly shifted my interest completely to the games themselves and consider upgrades something to think about a few years from now rather than always paying attention to it.
I know it's not your bag Jay, but second-hand GPUs are a great way to save some coin. At the beginning of this year, I bought an RX6800XT Red Devil off eBay for $405. It's been running like a champ and it plays all the AAA games I want to play. Currently playing Baldurs Gate at 2K and it looks gorgeous. I gave up on Nvidia when I bought this card and I'm not going back. Also, the Adrenalin driver/tuning software that AMD created for the Radeon cards is great. I'm done with Nvidia.
I have a 6750XT and I've been running a ton of AMD cards over the years, mostly been very happy, with some Nvidia in between. I have one issue right now and been going on since I got this card almost exactly 1 year ago now. I have a Windows CMD Prompt that keep showing up at random and going away, it all happens in half a second or less, you barely notice it but it keeps happening and wont go away, when gaming, or just on the desktop, and it says "AMDUpdate . exe" on the few times I manage to catch it or it stay open, only happened once or twice... I cant figure out how to get it to stop and none has been able to help or care to comment on it... Have you see this? I have other people around me with AMD cards too and believe they have seen this sometimes as well, on Reddit I found people that had this issue too so not just me but none has a solution that seem to work. Luckily its not really causing any real damage or harm, its just annoying, not even in games does it really seem to do any harm.
This right here. Got a basically new EVGA 3080FTW Ultra model for $390. Price to performance ratio is insane, it's like buying a new card in 2015 again lol. I'm never buying a new current gen card again when you can save that much money buying a used previous gen card.
same here i bought an rx 6700 xt for 280 dollars used right after the end of crypto craze and it runs like dream still after well over a year since i started to use it
Yeah, I also got a GPU from AMD just a few days ago and waiting for the rest of my parts Upgrading from gtx 1060 gb to a rx 7900 xtx, so the jump is gonna be huge lol Hope I did good with choosing it over a 4080
I got 7900XTX and watercooled it. It is garbage compared to NVidia though. I will most likely get the 5000-series flagship when it comes out, since doing AI with AMD is just pain in the ass. And performance of 7900XTX is not really that good even on gaming.
One step behind is still better. The more support people give to the companies gouging less the better. It's the only weapon we have to combat the tactics
@@Norrie_Rugger it might seem better to you but what it does is it justifies nvidias ridiculous prices and actions. ie nvidia doesnt look asbad when the suposed competition is doing the samething they are. its like their working together to bring the prices up.
@@CubeInspector yours doesnt make sense cause thats not what i said at all. amd price matching nvidia does... a 1200$ 4080 doesnt look so bad when amd releases a card with similar performance but worse ray tracing for 1000$ now does it... ie amd justifies nvidia's 1200$ price with their 1000$ price.
This is why I'm still rockin' my 3080 and probably will be for some time. Frankly, the overwhelming greed from the tech market is causing me to loose interest in this hobby anyway.
I've been sticking with my 1080 ti. I'd really need a performance upgrade now though so I think I'll have to cave and get something when the super models come out
Hell, 🤣I'm still rocking 980 ti and I've OC'd it as far as it go, I'll ride this card into to the damn ground. Then maybe I'll think about buying something
Plz explain. 4080S if the $999 is correct will plot right where the 7900XTX lies, and outperforms on raytracing too. 4070TiS will plot lower price than the 7900XT, and again, will outperform in raytracing, and hang on with pure rasterization. Take your hate off Nvidia and notice the whole market at this time sucks.
@@chkntndy7727you and your raytracing... The most gamers don't give a fxxk about RT and there is no so much games support it and anyway if you activate them, you will notice SOME differences for few seconds, then the fun is over because you don't notice anymore the difference.
Yet more people consistently buy NVIDIA over the competition, so no they have NOT priced themselves out of the market. And it's AMDs fault. Can't blame INTEL, they are still new here
@@highlanderknight How is amds fault its the scalpers fault and the idiots who paids the stupid high prices for the gpus back then because nvidia were like wait these people will pay how much lets jack up all the prices then
"It's a tactic to flood the market with SKUs". Yes, it is that. But it's also a way to release "new" products that get fully covered in the tech media to generate market hype and sell new cards.
Purely from a gamer perspective, the value of console gaming is constantly increasing as GPUs are pricing consumers out of the market. Hard to believe gamers have to pay $500+ just for a new GPU that is like only hitting 60fps in new titles. Now you can get a XBOX Series X for $399 that runs games at 60fps and has keyboard & mouse support
Sold my 3080 10GB to a family member and I bought a 7800XT. It’s an awesome card. It’s got 3090 performance with SAM enabled. RT capabilities are on par with the 3080. If AMD keeps improving and learns to keep prices reasonable, I’ll stay with AMD.
I love your optimism but AMD will not learn it. Because what they learned is to wait for NVidia to go full greed and then set their own prices just a little lower to only look ike they are not greedy. I bet that AMD is making MORE profit on for eg. 7900XTX than NVidia on 4080s. Like they pay waaaaaaaaaay less for die because it is way smaller and other dies are on higher node. So they pocket all of it. And because dies are smaller they have much higher yieds per wafer. So all this extra money goes into their pockets. AMD is not better than NVidia, NVidia is just bog and brazen like a bully that comes to you and tells you to your face to give him your wallet while AMD is like this scum thief that pats your back with one hand saying how evil NVidia is while he pickpockets you with other hand.
Haven't watched the video yet but let's see if the lines up with why I am keeping my 1080ti at all. 20 series was really much if a upgrade just added RTX. 30 Series seemed like an upgrade but was not obtainable due to scalping and 40 series is Nvidia giving no fucks.
The fact that Nvidia is considering calling it a 4070 Ti super is hilarious. They just throw out all of the naming schemes into one card 😂 that makes it better right?
Hey Jay, could you maybe take a re-look at the Radeon options in the current market? I'm honestly just as P/O'd at team green, but don't really know much about what price/performance should look like for team red. The prices have been all over the map since black Friday... 🤔
Jaded is right. Ive refused to buy another Nvidia card after my gtx 1080. I finally broke down and picked up a 7900xt. While I dont think amd is the white knight everyone makes them out to be they seemingly aren't as bad as Nvidia as blatantly just price hiking their products. I'm hopefully intel will get in on the action at the mid and upper tiers after another few generations.
Agreed. If Intel was business smart (and I hope they are) they will see the enormous demand in the gaming market. I wouldn't be half surprised if AMD or Intel make some kind of proprietary CPU/GPU tech that only works hand in hand with their own products.
I've been a happy customer using AMD for 2 generations in a row but they're definitely no white knights, the biggest thing against them is that instead of releasing their cards (after the first released models of a gen anyway) at a decent price right away, they aim for just below nVidia price range, which is stupid high, notice the sales aren't there and 2 months later they lower their prices. And it seems it takes longer and longer before the middle range cards are released so that the most people possible bite the bullet and buy cards above their initial budget. They're the challenger but they keep pulling those moves that just build bad rep'. If they could release the whole series of a gen within 3 months of the first model with decent prices from the get go, I'm SURE way more people would jump from nVidia to AMD. It's almost like they don't want the demand to explode.
@@guillaumebackelandt7381 That is a double edge sword though since it isn't strictly AMD/nvidia/intel. Yes they set the price of the product, and they then set the adjustments down the road, but it is the consumer also who shows the price is acceptable by buying it. This was also true during the 14nm+++++++ days before Ryzen was a thing. Intel set their prices stupidly high for their CPU, but because there wasn't competition and people kept paying it, they kept on selling it for that high price. Then AMD came out with Ryzen and showed that you didn't have to have high prices to get a good CPU which cause Intel to adjust their prices down for similar high-end to mid-high end. We just really need a competitor that can do the same in the GPU sector to the point Nvidia either does one of three things - fixes their prices, partially leaves the gpu market to only release high end cards, or fully leaves the gpu market to pursue AI only.
Amd could make their gpus cheaper too. But they saw the profit by just reducing their price a bit below nvidias. They make most of their money with cpu and server cpu sales.
Weren’t there reports a week or two ago that they stopped making the original cards already? They won’t be selling side by side. (Except for ones already in resellers hand.)
exactly why anyone looking for an nvidia gpu this upcoming year is fucked financially if it matters to them. for myself, i bit the bullet and said fuck trying to get a 4090 and have it be a waste of money for me and instead got a zotac 4080 amp extreme for $900 cause of discount and gift cards i had. glad i did since they stopped making 4070 ti’s and 4080’s a few months ago
The 4070 ti's and 4080's would be discontinued and replaced by the supers apparently. 4070 would remain and be sold along the Super albeit with a discount.
I kind of just want to wait the 40 series out and get into an Nvidia 5090 when they eventually come out. My 7900xtx is doing really well at the moment, and would also be interested in the next gen of intel gpu's.
As someone who has been building PC gaming rigs professionally for the last 20 years I’ve started people to just buy a console if they want to game. The hardware side of PC gaming has lost the value war unless you play only esport games. I think the 3070 that I had to win in a NewEgg shuffle is going to be my last GPU for awhile until either Intel or AMD reach feature parity with nVidia or until nVidia can provide value again. It did not feel good to buy a 3070 and then have DLSS features gated one generation later.
@@ScienceReasonLove The 3000 series cannot run it on a hardware level, it was not implemented into the chip design like it was with 4000. It sucks, but it's understandable.
By design consoles are supposed to be the way to go to play games cost-effectively-absolutely not desktop PCs. Most don’t even have or need a desktop PC when a laptop will do when not using their console.
NVidia has always been ripping us off for years with their insane 50% profit margins. The problem is: Datacenter went from being ~20% of their revenue to gaming is now only ~20% of their revenue. Datacenter is now 75% of NVidia's revenue, and it already doubled in revenue in the last 2 quarters. Datacenter is expected to continue growing like crazy for them. Not only that, datacenter revenue has moved their profit margins up to ~75%. This pricing behavior has been seen before during the past storage drive shortages, too. Datacenters will pay more to have silicon redirected to them. Why would NVidia sell to a smaller gamer market at 50% margin when you can sell to a crazy large AI market for 75%+ margin? No one knows if AI will be a bubble or not yet, but there's a lot more money than crypto in this game. However, with NVidia's insane pricing, I expect datacenters to start looking at AMD and Intel GPUs too, which AMD and Intel are obviously happy to oblige with their recent actions. Unfortunately, this means gaming GPU prices are more than likely going to suck for the forseeable future as datacenters suck up all the high end GPUs.
I think NVIDIA will mostly put a $50 discount on their OG models and increase the MSRP replaced by the super models by $50-100. I am not surprised to see some 4070s are selling more than 4070Super. That will just make the super models more attractive.
@@jstevens515Lmao no chance they increase the 4080 supers price. It'll be 1k, the full ad103 die size is smaller than the the 3070's die. You think they aren't still making greater than 4090 margins at $1000? 😂 At worst it'll be a paper launch for the $1000 models and the higher tier models will be what u can easily get at $1100-1200
If NVidia wanted to get back into better if not good graces here is what they should do while not limiting the already-there-cards intentionally: 4060 $300 4070 $400 4070 Super $500 4070 Ti $600 ($625) 4070 Ti Super $700 ($750) 4080 $800 ($900) 4080 Super $900 ($1000-1100) And yes, they can easily afford this and still be making out like bandits - take a look at how much markup these things have, all of them.
Waiting for the 4090 super ti as I'm looking to use it to play League of Legends and all the other gpu's below it wouldn't make much sense in terms of future-proofing for League.
@@Rohirrim009 Couldn't be more obvious that he is being sarcastic and ragging on the typical Nvidia fanboys. The ones who buy 4090s just to play MOBAs and Minecraft lol
I feel your pain. I remember when a great midrange card could be had for a C-note in Canada. Now I'm grousing about dropping 4 times that on a 6750xt for my nephew's build.
When I had Memory Express build the computer for me in September 2022 I did not get a GPU and just used the integrated graphics until I had the money for the 3060 which was 8 months later. @@4566Iggy
bought a used RX6800 for less than a 5th of a 4090 price. still 1year warranty... undervolted it, runs cool and quiet under 200watts and plays all my games just fine. 1080ti was my last enthusiast GPU.
This is why I buy the best from Nvidia as I don't have to worry about anything else for a couple of years. It is costly though, but it keeps from dealing with second best products.
@@jamesm568 "This is why I buy the best from Nvidia", you didn't actually explain "why" at all. "it keeps from dealing with second best products" yes, that is generally how it works when you buy the most expensive product in a category. Are you new to the whole having money thing?
@@jamesm568 Nice word salad. You still haven't explained "why", just pretending that the way I summed up your comment is how you wrote it lol. You say "this is why" in reply to a comment that has nothing to do with whether Nvidia makes the best product.
@@mrctuned2844 I bet, that's a lot of money for a gpu. It would be nice if they went back down to reasonable prices and good stock. When I bought the 1070 that was the most I had spent on a gpu up to that point.
The only reason I'd be looking to upgrade is more video memory, my current EVGA 3080ti has 10,240 cuda cores but only 12gb of VRAM. The performance upgrade would have to be huge, like over 33% at least to get me to jump on a new card.
@@graythorngamingtechpowerup is pretty good for that kind of stuff funny thing actually, the 4080 is actually exactly 33% faster than the 3080ti according to their data
Nvidia is always going the most direct way to company growth. 2020 til 2022 it was crypto. In 2023 forward it's AI. Prepare your butts for another huge price hike on RTX 5000. No doubt about it.
Easy answer : they try to sell all the GPUs they build. If they have the planned number of cores, they call it the Ti/Super. If some of the cores are disabled, it's a "normal" 4070/4080... This is a way to get rid of everything. No waste at all...
I agree , i remeber when the cards that was 1 below the flagship was around the £550 to £600 mark and the flagship cards was around the £900 to £1000 mark. The 3080 at its very 1st release was around £650 maybe a little more ( I think i got mine just before they hit the £1000 price hike for around the £650 mark ). If they could still make a profit at them prices why bump them up so high, i think they marked them up by areound a 30 to 50% price increase and they blamed covid and crypto mining for it because of chip availability. The fact is it was a supply and demand and because they was in such a high demand the bumped up the price for a higher profit margin. I am considering changing to AMD for my next upgrade even though i havn't had an AMD card for over 20 years, but now i think the time has come to say goodbye to Nvidia, My reason is because of all the different variation of cards they now release. Whats wrong with just having 2 variations of that card ( Standard version and a more beefy version ) plus they are now releasing a ton more cards using the same chips across the board calling them Supers. What i have learned in the past few generations ( 20 series ) is that when they release more variations is the marking of the release of a new generation of card. They did this with the 20 series just to get more sales and then shortly after the 30 series was released for the same price or even cheaper. I saw the same tactic with the 30 series , at 1st the 10GB 3080's came out then they released a version with 12GB for £100 more and then not too long after the 40 series arrived. Classic Nvidia wanting Mo' Money of the consumer gone are the days where it was about what the public was willing to pay , now its all about this is what we are selling them at and if you want one we will dictated the price at a 50% more profit margin to what we was getting before.
Game industry is going through something like this, however companies like Blizzard and Bethesda are learning harsh lessons in 2023. It may be time for NVidia to learn the same lesson; being out of touch with your customer base leads to people not forking over money anymore.
Except that’s not the case. PC market is getting back to its place of proving premium gaming of a current gen at more cost and current-gen consoles being the budget option-including the Steam Deck. The gaming industry is doing really well considering the sales of the PS5 alone during a recession
Firstly, I believe the 4070, 4070 ti and 4080 will be discontinued and the supers will be replacements at the same MSRP. Secondly, said this since the rumor mill hit, but 4070 TI Super seems like the real “value” card. 4080 Super seems to just exist for those who are gonna buy the best they can afford, while the 4070 Super will take the slot of the old 4070 TI, which honestly 12gb won’t hold up as a 5 year card. If the 5% of current 4080 and 16gb VRAM numbers are true for the 4070 TI super, if launched at $799 for that performance does not seem like a bad buy for both maximizing current enjoyment and “future proofing.” Hell, it’s personally what I’m holding out for
regular 4070 is staying for cheaper as it's basically the real 4060 ti. That's my guess as to why at least but ik it's 99% confirmed to be the only non super model in particular that will coexist with the super one.
Miss you guys on rtfm, great vid, it's all big business but this is why I'm pleasantly content with my AMD rig. I felt my setup was reasonably priced but at least I wasn't super gouged
They don't give a f about us, and this frankly just shows it! Vote with your dollars folks! They're already complaining about sales being down an f ton, so show them we don't care for their BS either! This would honestly be a great time for Intel to show up with a competitive mainstream card that can keep up with both AMD and nvidia, for less!
AMD really needs to step up their GPU game like they did with the Ryzen CPUs. Its insane that Nvidia is getting away with this much price gouging. Only AMD and Intel can be our saviours in the GPU market
@@EjayT06 yeah there's no denying that. The XTX is an absolute beast of an GPU. Its crazy to think that you can get 24GB vram for much less $$ than 4090. But it still somehow falls just short of beating it. Would've loved to see AMD bring out a proper competitor for that. I decided to pay with my wallet so got a XFX XTX. I don't care about raytracing. Upgraded from a 3070 which was terrible on my 4K build. I constantly ran out of vram on that GPU
Personally I'm just checked out of anything NVIDIA is doing. Poor driver support, insane prices, anticonsumer practices, and to crown it all, consumer isn't even their preferred market anymore. Unless your favorite games are materially better on team green, I don't see much reason to bother with anything they do right now. So yes, Jay, we're mad, too.
Great driver support, poor (AMD) competition to where gamers will buy and pay more for NVIDIA cards instead of settling for AMD. That is how the market works. Would I like NVIDIA cards to be cheaper? Sure! But I'll gladly pay more for the better NVIDIA card and so do most gamers.
AMD has one of the worst driver supports in the industry and it still doesn't even work with Windows correctly. Let's not even mention the horrible Enterprise support from AMD. If I want second best, I will go with AMD. if I want the best, Nvidia is the only way to go.
Not sure where the “poor driver support” is coming from…. I’ve owned GTX 660, GTX 970, GTX 980ti, GTX 1050ti, RTX 2080, and a RTX 3090ti over the years and not had a single driver issue. I don’t like their practices and if I build a new PC anytime soon… AMD pricing is definitely a draw and that is priced too high. The whole PC component scene is ridiculously overpriced. $1000+ mobo’s… eat a bag ASUS…
Idk what you guys are going on about. My buddy has a 6700xt bought it when it came out and has never had any issues with it. Other buddy has a 6900 with not one issue. The only reason in would ever see to go Nvidia would be for Ray tracing (which amd is catching up with) or 4k which amd is probably one generation away of catching up on. But as a fps gamer amd is a way better bang for your buck if your staying in the 1440 range.
Its seems like TI doesn't mean boosted model of that SKU of card anymore and its more of a middle SKU to go in between cards in the stack. Super seems to be what they are using for refreshed/boosted versions of already released SKUs. Wish they would get their product naming streamlined....so confusing for the average consumer, obviously on purpose.
This is why I am sitting here still with my "old" 6950xt for 4k gaming, skipping more demanding modern games and just not upgrading. Waiting for Intel to hopefully somehow force the bottom/mid range of gpus down in price through competition for market share and new models. Wich might bring down the high end (not top end) a bit as well. Hopefully with the new RT formulas and GDDR7 vram we can see a proper performance/cost uplift next generation. Otherwise, I guess I`ll wait yet another one. I mean I got 2700euro (2900dollars) saved up for my pc upgrade atm and it keeps slowly growing. I COULD throw a 4090 into my PC, I just wont on pure fking principle xD
@@Frozoken I mean yeah? Alan wake 2, Starfield and Remnant 2 is a few of the games I can think of from the top of my head that wont be able to do 60fps at 4k with my GPU so I skipped them cba to even try them :)
The specs on the 4070 ti super are what I wanted for the 4 series launch. 12gb vram is not good enough. If they are going to charge more than $800 for it I will pass.
@@GoatzombieBubbaNot true there's plenty of times you run out at even 1440p on AAA games and this is coming from someone who doesn't even play the slower single player games where that's an issue. It's just reality for some people and the memory bus width which is inherently tied to vram anyway is beneficial regardless
@Frozoken There arent that many games where you run out of VRAM at 12GB 1440p, and the few that do run out of VRAM, are poorly optimized, most likely running on Unreal Engine 5.
We need Tesla to start making graphics cards. They already use Nvidia in their cars and they like to make whatever they can inhouse. So, why not GPU's?
I think we are witnessing the end of the need of a dedicated gpu. With the ia and new technologies as dlss or whatever will come, combined next high performance multi core cpus with +48 threads will be able to perform much better than any gpu we know now. Motherboards could have some integrated cores needed in that regard. And using 128gb ddr5 or ddr6 ram and a graphic dedicated ssd, you can imagine the fps that system could get
New meteor lake laptops play a plenty of games at 60+ fps on 1080p with igpu. So yeah, this can happen, but not quite there yet. There could be development more towards larger dies and then both AMD and Intel would have room to build good mid-level igpus.
@@hydraulixx larger integrated dies like M3 max ultra pro hyper cyber actually have quite capable igpus that also work well for running larger machine learning tasks. One of the keys is that the system memory on those work like vram in dgpus so you can run models that require over 100GB vram on PC side.
@@hydraulixx Now you are moving goalposts which is a logical fallacy. You stated that "hat could maybe work for low-end to average consumer but definitely not going to happen anytime soon for mid-/high-end performance.". A 128GB VRAM equivalent portable machine learning machine is far beyond any midrange gear. Actually it is only surpassed by professional gear out of which cheapest is Nvidia H100 which has a starting price of around 35 000 EUR for the 80GB variant. Sure, dGPUs will always rule on the top end of course: just having a separate cooling unit which you can push with 700W of power will always have more scaling, but mid range may well be going for the iGPU route at some point.
@@hydraulixx nah. I think you just misunderstood what you said. But such is life when people fall into logical fallacies and fail to learn from their mistakes, but instead double down on them.
Jay, you said a couple months back that Nvidia had started slowing shipping the cards. So now that NO ONE has them in stock, they will start shipping these models at the same prices as the current models but the models that are priced will more than likely be one tier down. 4090 price tag for 4080 card, etc etc. Then they will jack the super pricing even higher than that. I genuinely believe that is what they intend to do.
"they will start shipping these models at the same prices as the current models but the models that are priced will more than likely be one tier down" ???? My guy that sentence is incoherent as hell.
Next Nvidia GPU will have the name of "Ti Super Ultra Duper Twin-turbo Intercooler GT-R" So we will be counting the crap after the GPU name to figure out it's SKU :P
@@neemanon Right. As much as I hate Nvidia, this is the consumers' fault. They are the ones who continue to buy the cards at these prices. They are the ones who paid scalper prices in 2020 which is why MSRPs are now here to begin with. They whine and whine about it and tell people to buy AMD instead, just hoping someone else will do the work for them of abstaining from buying Nvidia. They want to reap the rewards of lower Nvidia prices without having to buy and use an AMD card instead. They only want Nvidia. It's so obvious when _everyone_ is saying to buy AMD yet AMD's market share has not changed much at all.
If the problem is nVidia, stop giving them the attention they crave, AMD is more stable, more supported (Linux), and more price to performance appropriate, and Intel s Graphics also exist kinda lol.
As if it matters any way. The die is literally smaller than the 3070's, they can reduce it with a technically slightly more expensive chip BECAUSE IT WAS SO LUDICROUSLY OVERPRICED LMAO. Ur also right that is the rumour and it's true because they don't have any ai cards with the full die either
Random thing I’d like to see. Maybe review on some of the new gaming laptops, with as powerful as the gpus are becoming I’d love to see what you recommend and suggest. It’s been a few years since I looked into gaming laptops, but obviously the big issue was the thermals. Wondering if that’s improved at all. Thanks for the great content as always! 👍
I want to build a new rig so badly and this is the main reason I can't. This is why I like watching Jay, it gives me knowledge instead getting gouged out my hard earned money. Thanks Jay!
@@zillam3t4l7800xt basically equals a 4070 but slightly faster. If you learn to overclock it and it's lower tier model are the only modern cards that can jump a full tier with one (to very close to a 4070ti or slightly ABOVE a 3090 with the 7800xt) so there's that too. A $500 3090 with a lil work doesn't sound too bad but it's not gonna get u nvidia features regardless
The last card I actually had respect for and didn’t feel robbed when I checked out at bestbuy was the Evga GTX1080ti FTW3 edition. I LOVED that card had it up till 2 years ago when I bought a new ST and sold it for a HP Tuner 😂
one of the big reasons to not buy second hand and get a card new is because you won't have to worry about it being faked or more used than advertised (or worst; outright broken). With the price points as they're going? Actually no we're already past that point. Even if the card is a lesser faked card, chances are it's still going to be more worthwhile than a guaranteed 15% average increase in performance at not just the card cost but also the power supply AND mostly likely the new case - thus effectively not just spending 1/3rd on the card, but ~1/6th on the total cost (would be even more if you where...'brave' enough to by a second hand power supply) - as most people (at least according to steam stats) are still 2-4 generations behind. When you look at it like that, man does it really put it into perspective...
The 4080 will never go down in price, the super will be near the 4090 MSRP, and the 4090 will rise in price, already now the cheapest 4090 are around 2000 to make the 4080 super seem like a good deal
With their prices, Nvidia are taking all the fun out of buying one of their GPUs. I went to get the RTX 4070 at a local PC parts store fully aware of the upcoming new models in January and extremely annoyed that I would have to shell out the money or stay another month or two without a proper GPU. As luck would have it, they were out of stock on this graphics card, which gave me the excuse to immediately buy my second choice, the RX 7800 XT. Surprisingly, it's a good video card. My levels of anxiety haven't been lower. I've stopped giving a rat's behind what's next from Nvidia. And I am actually way more interested what would AMD and Intel do with their discrete GPUs because my whole frame of reference has suddenly shifted away from a situation that even Jay has no polite words to describe.
While I completely agree with you, your first mistake is walking into a brick and mortar store. You can almost always find these cheaper online with refund policies and even cheaper for used which every single one of my cards have been. eBay will literally refund you every penny if a GPU ships to you in a non functional state.
Bro we've been talking about Nvidia being shady and anti consumer since before covid. Yet here we still are. Talking about how angry the new Nvidia gpus make us.
I didn't buy the 700 series because nvidia is so anti-consumer. so I think they are aware people can say what they will, and they can keep doing whatever they want and they can keep selling cards.
Surely this has a massive knock on effect for the whole Computer Industry as a whole. People not bothering to upgrade a GPU due to the prices are not going to then upgrade other parts and buys other items. I for one would be in this bracket. My computers not worked for about 4-5 years. My 980ti packed in and ive not bothered to upgrade anything since due to the prices of the GPUs
What you do for a GPU primarily? If game, get a current gen consoles that were long overdue and the platforms the gaming industry prefers gamers play on in the first place.
Just got a 2nd 3070. Putting it in my kids pc. I paid $300 which is way better than the $1400 I paid on stockx during covid. The prices for the new gpus are insane
I've just given up on getting a new PC, even mid-range. The prices are just too insane for me to be able to justify it. It's sad, I used to upgrade every 3 years, now it's been 6, soon 7, years since my last upgrade and it looks like I'll use my current PC until it breaks down and forces me to buy something new. And when I do, it'll have to be low-tier stuff. Luckily for AMD/Intel/Nvidia there's plenty of people that are ok with paying whatever price they set, so they'll just keep doing it.
I recently bought an XFX RX 6800 for $369, which is the first time I've purchased an ATI/AMD graphics card in over 15 years. I wanted to play Alan Wake II and this was the best option for me. However, since it's a non-water-cooled card, I need to find a waterblock for it. My last three or four GPUs had full-coverage waterblocks, My old generic GPU block was designed for 1/4" tubing, which I don't think will cut it for today's GPUs.
It feels even worse when cracks near the pins ruin the card and manufacturers refuse to cover it. Maybe they should be including warnings about the weight possibly cracking the card? At least it would potentially help with awareness.
Nvidia doesn’t really care anymore about the gpu market.. they are just focusing on AI markets. Way more money and customers with deeper pockets
true this sucks for pc gamers but as a business owner I can not be mad at them I would do the same
I don’t really understand why they would actively give up a market that they already have dominant market share in. It doesn’t take them a lot more resources to focus on both markets and they already have the products with the competitiveness but just pricing it too high. Maybe people who don’t know better will buy them still.
They ARE the gpu market
@@chavlazPeople who think like this allowing nvidia to shit on all pc gamers
A.I bubble is already here.
As long as people keep buying it, Nvidia will keep their prices high.
if you want lower prices stop buying it.
but as long as demand exceeds supply they know they can keep raising the price.
Agreed, AMD has some great options and Battlemage looks interesting coming out of Intel. Hopefully, those two can take enough market share from NVIDIA for them to do something, but I doubt it.
@@itlackie They said over on Hardware Unboxed that market share isn't really changing and prices aren't coming down because people hope AMD and Intel take more market share, but they're not actually buying them, they're waiting for "other" people to buy AMD and Intel so they can buy Nvidia GPUs at a more affordable price (I realized myself included).
If people will not buy it, thye will just leave and AMD will gouge us silly.
They make AI money hand over fist, they might leave the consumer gpu market anyway. And not just AI cards, but fast datacenter interconnects, AI network cards, etc.
@@jimivel604 I'd buy AMD, drivers are fine, but I just want a little better software from them. That is all. Up FSR a bit, get a better ReLive.
Also get better raytracing. Inb4 bla bla, it never works and not important and never will: it does work fine for me, I love the way it makes Cyberpunk look, and even if not, then for marketing purposes. It is like the days when we have pixel shaders, vertex shaders, and a few more (4-5 total iirc), and later on we had unified shaders, a 10% drop in performance but it didn't matter, all shaders did it all anyway. Raytracing core is just another type of shader, and that is why AMD made it work on their older cards on the shaders that were in there, I bet they are waiting for advances in hardware for it to make it into their cards full throttle and it needing no more dedicated stuff, silicon is expensive.
So you want to stop buying the cards, so that Nvidia lowers the prices, so that people can buy cards, so that the price can go up? This doesn't sound like a sane approach, people always buy when they perceive an item to be worth its price
The really sad part is that case makers and fan makers have new and interesting products that genuinely make me want to build a new computer, but between the graphics card manufacturers, game developers, and motherboard manufacturers, I can't bring myself to do any such thing. I'm losing interest in the whole hobby. I mostly still watch tech videos out of habit.
Most of the games I play are 10-20 years old, or random indie games. None of the new triple A games in the last few years have been worth it.
you can add in microsoft to that mix. having to upgrade a whole system to a 2x price to go to windows 11...smh. people aren't going to fork over $700-800 just to get a basement pc with min. gpu's in them. the pc i got now cost less than $1000 with a 6700 xt and a 4k monitor.
yeah I feel that. next GPU I will be buying used on EBAY.
Sometimes I think instead of next build, just get a mac mini and call it a day
Shitty business practices motivated by monetary greed are destroying so many industries. Really disappointing and taking the magic out of many hobbies.
I was holding out for a reasonably priced Nvidia card to upgrade from my 1080 Ti. Couldn’t keep waiting for them to get back to the company I loved and switched to AMD this time. More and more I’m convinced my switch to the 7900 XT was the right move.
Sellout!
@@disguiseddv8ant486 If getting more value per dollar out of my PC components makes me a sellout then by all means…I am a sellout. 😂
I made a very similar jump. 1080 to 7900 XT. It might not have DLSS but the 7900 XT is a beast at a somewhat reasonable price. At least we get to be excited about Frame Gen and the FSR improvements. I've been very impressed by that card over the past 6 months.
I did the same switch, but from a GTX 1060 to the RX 7900 XT. The RTX 4070 Ti was a no-go for me with only 12 GB of vram, because that card will age horribly. And the RTX 4080 was just too expensive. I'm really happy so far.
Went from a 1080 to 6950xt first time going AMD GPU and it's been great
Nvidia loved miners now they love AI, they could care less about the regular consumer, they probably stay in this market because they do not want AMD to have the gamer market.
They're in the market for the gamers data being collected through the game servers itself.
No large company cares about consumers
They COULDNT care less**
gamers market is there backup market when they when they met the demand of entreprise,proffesional,ai,crypto ect.... we get leftover chips wich has the loweste margins compared to the rest
@@Frozokentbh there is only valve
All the 4000-series cards were already cut down. For example, the 4060 Ti looks more like a 4050 Ti (or so) based on specs.
So maybe the 4060 Ti Super will finally have specs appropriate for a 6-class card.
...for even more money.
4060's only issue (even if it would still be expensive and a bad fps to $) is the shafted memory bus. If they'd of given it the 192 like every 60 series since i believe gtx 760 (excluding 960 which was outlier) it would of been a good gpu...it would of improved over last gen every time....but that bus is why it loses to last gen in anything that doesnt use dlss 3.0
@@hotaru25189 Nvidia has been scamming their way out of providing sufficient VRAM for decades at this point.... it's always, ALWAYS been the weak spot of their cards and likely a way to ensure their old cards don't have too much longevity (and must be replaced sooner rather than later).
let's also not forget the GTX970 3.5 fiasco...
The 4000 Series in a nutshell:
50-class performance
60-class name
70-class prices
@@bass-dc9175 Explained perfectly in three lines. 🤣
I was NVIDIA for ages, in fact up to this year when I finally needed to upgrade my 1080Ti for current games. Decided to jump over to Radeon as the price point between similar cards that I was looking at, had an AUD$200 price difference.
The Radeon is performing well & has me asking myself why I would overpay for an NVIDIA card ever again.
Exactly. So many people whine about software support or "features" but really, 99% of PC gamers turn their PC on, open game, play. They may not understand or even care about most of Nvidia's features beyond the slightly better driver support.
@@empireOfLove2 I think most of the "99%" you speak about are not even on the latest cards (Steam hardware stats). Among those who chase the latest generation many care about other stuff, not for gaming purposes. I don't think 4090 sold well because gamers love the card
@@gsst6389 As I read your comment the theme from Deliverance started playing in my head.
@@gsst6389 found jensen's alt account
True, I switched to AMD too albeit from a very old Nvidia card. My next card may be Nvidia or AMD, it all depends on the value and not non-existent "driver issues" and features before their time like ray-tracing. And I may even prefer AMD as the software looks so much better, has open source drivers and doesn't have a history of screwing over customers like Nvidia does.
I feel sorry for companies who make other pc parts. They cant sell products because many people just opt out of pc gaming entirely when they see gpu prices
I think that's why intel started producing gpus
Cases are mad expensive in comparison to manufacturing costs. Motherboards the same. CPUs are way mre expensive to what they were couple years ago. Not sure about PSUs. Only people that don't go full greed on us are VRAM and SSD manufacturers but it is effect of scale.
@@korinogaro Unsure which cases your shopping for but mine was like $100 for a full tower. Has tempered glass and plenty of room to install AIO and not give a flying fuck about wire management (looks amateur inside, but I was just lazy and tired).
I gave up on prices and got myself a 6800xt recently after running a 1070 for more than a few years. I am pleasantly surprised, it runs like a beast and the software is just amazing.
bro, same! but i got the 7800xt, are you having issues with low spec or old games that focus more on cpu performance, i can play much higher graphics and frames on demanding games, like red dead and assassin's creed, but as soon as i load up csgo, or project zomboid i get worse performance than my 1070
@@statix hey. I have recently just been playing the cod and warzone and been having the time of my life with great fps and stability. I have never played the two games you listed so unsure what could be going on there. Reviews I saw on CS seemed that specific card you have runs it amazingly. I would suggest you make sure game mode runs and smart access memory if you can and see if that helps. Not sure if you are experiencing a bottleneck maybe but likely not.
Could you please list your specs. I see a bios update helps after reading up on CS on Reddit but it depends on new or older system. As for myself I am running on a 3800x and 16gb ram, win11
@@CloudyDante appreciate the reply boys. I've got a 5700x 7800xt 16gb ram b450 steel legend. 750rme psu
Fantastic card!! I owned the RX6800 for 6 months before my XTX and it was an amazing card for 1440p. Nvidia wishes it had as good software as AMD does. 😅😅
I wrote off the 4k series at launch, I was just as done then as I am now, with each new iteration its just more gaslighting and gouging. The 5k series will just be more of the same. Prices wont drop to any point thats advantageous to the consumer and if by some impossible miracle they do retailers will simply gouge them right back up again, to assume otherwise is IMO naive. Nvidias focus is as an AI company now. Period. Their gpu market motto is 'pay more, get less, buy more often'.
Time to go with AMD
That's the NVIDIA motto, not the whole GPU. Even Intel are making significant progress with their market share. This will increase further with the stop of GTX driver support.
Couldn't have said it better. It's only going to get worse.
with the revenue from AI , i could easily see nivida going the other direction with the 5k series , and drop prices on it a lot to make them selves look good to the consumers , now i'm nto talking drop prices to 3k levels , but something better than what 4k series cost.
maybe like a $1400 dollar 5090 (with ungoldy performance levels , a true booste ) , a $1000 dollar 5080 (that performs like a 4090), a $700 dollar 5070 (performs like a 4080) and a $400 dollar 5060 (that performs like a 4070).
it would so be like nvidia to do it this way , and while the high end comes down there's actually a price creep up on the low and mid ends. but they could say "look at all this performance we are now giving you, at way better prices than last round! pat us on the back , yes oooh ahhh now get on your knees ... oohh mmm yeah .. take this cock and love me for it"
which is exactly what they did on the 3000 series.
@@DenverStarkey I would love for this to be the case, but I highly doubt it will happen. The silicon node that they are using for the 50 series costs them 35% more to produce/acquire. I expect the 50 series to cost at MINIMUM 20% more than the 40 series, but I would absolutely love to see them do what you are suggesting.
Last Nvidia GPU I was willing to pay for was the 1080ti. I don't see them putting up anything worth what they're asking for any time soon. Unless they get to within $200-$300 of AMD at the flagship level, they can bugger off.
That's your bad... 30series is great as well. and 4090 while super expensive is clearly in a class of its own.
@@CalifLove The 30 series were great, if you could get hold of them at MSRP or at all at launch. To be fair I'm quite happy with my 3070 FE still and have no plans to upgrade any time soon.
Other than the Voodoo 2 my EVGA FTW 3 1080ti is my favorite card of all time.
@@traum640 I swear to this day that the 1080ti was so good it had to be a mistake.
@@CalifLove Not 600-1000 dollars more worth of class. Not in this or any space time continuum.
"We're not a graphics company anymore" wasn't actually a shout out to shareholders, but a stab at the gamer segment.
It was directed at the government who is trying to tell them what to do with their company. The articles are out there
Oh yes. I'm sure it's a stab not only at the gamer segment, but directly at YOU special, special person.
@@Trainwheel_Time what are you talking about?
The fact that only AMD actually serves the sub-$400 price range is just sick.
I remember when the flagship models like the 980 and 980 ti were $450-$550 on launch.
Good old days. And even better with the 1000 series.900 and 1000 series cards where the creme of the crop back then.
@@Rohirrim009I still have my GTX 970 as a backup in case my 3070 dies
Highkey, Intel's ARC is a pretty good budget option nowadays, consequence of boatload after boatload of fixes, polish & improvements
"The fact that only AMD actually serves the sub-$400 price range is just sick. " too bad what they serve it crap and also too much, but they get away with it because nvidia is even worse.
@xBINARYGODx That's just untrue. AMD makes great GPUs, and they have been for decades. Maybe they aren't quite as great as they used to be, but they are still great cards. As much as people like to talk about drivers and software suites, if you ask most AMD users, they will tell you they don't have problems with them.
When and if 4090ti comes out, I would imagine a similar situation as for the 3090ti. People buy a super expensive card and months later next gen releases and makes it totally irrelevant.
Correct, the 50 series which is gonna be a huge leap will be releasing within 1.5 years from its release most likely. Pcie 5.0 data and gddr7 are too big.
@@dockerb3159 along with Display Port 2.1
I remember this was the case aswell with the 980ti back then, which I got, as has been the case since I can remember... but I wouldn't say it makes them totally irrelevant.
Everyone knows they're paying premium for the 80/90ti's with next gens on the horizon everytime, it's all a matter of reflecting upon what value they can get out of said card at that moment and if it is worth the extra year or two they'd be waiting for the next 'Ti' of the same tier. And who knows, maybe you'll keep the previous Ti and skip a gen or two altogether, as is often the case for people that go for Ti versions.
In some cases the extra performance is worth it. Depends on the person's needs and strategy going forward.
Yeah I have a 4090 now and don’t see me moving until the 6090 comes out. I’ve upgraded from the 2080 and the power the 4090 holds is crazy.
I wouldn't say the 3090/ti are irrelevant
Nvidia's Greed Processing Units makes me want to leave it all behind and go live in the mountains
I'd be surprised if there are any price drops at all. I fully expect the 4080 super to launch at $1400 right between the 4080 and 4090 with the way Nvidia has been going. I've been looking for a replacement for my 1080 for years now and I just haven't seen anything at the right price.
You're gonna be waiting a very,....very long time.
I'm in the same boat, but I've came to the conclusion that my 1080 build is most likely the last pc I will have built. A lot of us are being priced out of the pc gaming world and I don't see it getting any better.
If I'm going to be playing the next gta, it's probably going to be on a playstation.
Honestly, to me, it feels like ever since roughly the release of the GTX 1000 series, the industry as a whole has been adding new products on top of existing ones rather than replacing them. The 2070 is as fast as the 1080? Then put it at the same price point. We aren't getting newer, faster technology at the same price point, we're getting newer faster technology at ever increasing price points. I don't know when I'll be able to build another PC. Thankfully, the one I have for now is still good enough for how I game and how I use it, so knock on wood that it doesn't suddenly stop working, but if it did I'd be paying more money for the same performance as when I got it four years ago. Whenever I do end up building something new, I'm probably going to have to look at the used market and roll the dice that it all works properly. It's a shit show.
One of the stories said the 4090 would get a price drop along with these...which seems very unlikely.
I have 6700xt still sealed for this reason
This makes a 7*50 AMD gpu that are sure to come out at some point look much more appealing to me especially if they have GDDR6X memory. They aren't perfect but they're much more affordable and if they upgraded from GDDR6 to 6X without a serious price increase, then there is no point to an NVIDA gpu unless you want ray tracing imo.
Except insanely overpriced Nvidia top tier GPU's will almost undoubtedly result in AMD's next top models to go up in price as well. AMD is a publicly traded company, they'll sell for as much as people are willing to pay.
and DLSS
@@A-N-X-I-E-T-Y I mean I'd be happy to pay a couple of hundred dollars less to get neck and neck raster performance and FSR lol. Plus VRAM. Hopefully Nvidia stops giving out miserly VRAMs in their cards. Literally all 40 series cards have less VRAM than would be required for their class in a couple of years from now (except the 4090 of course, but I'm not paying the cost of an entire high mid range PC build to buy a GPU).
I have a RX7000 series card and ray tarcing is perfectly fine now for the prive of the cards. Not as good as Nvidia, but enough for me for sure to enjoy my games.
People dont realise that they dont need the best but what is good enough
@@DanielM.-mq4rm yup lol unless you compare them side by side not many are gonna notice.
About time they reduced prices and stopped price gouging. You should check out the pricing here in Australia. Looking around the $2000AUD for a 4080 currently. It's the exact reason I jumped on the 7900xtx bandwagon as I got a good deal on mine for $1450AUD
"good deal" $1450aud.
I know it's expensive down under but still.
When did we accept plus $1000 anywhere for that class of GPU.
@@TheWebstaff the 1080ti was over $1000AUD here, often close to $1400AUD. so if you go off that the 7900xtx is a decent deal, I'd still rather not pay that but don't really have a choice 🤷
Lmaooo 4090 is being sold here at like 2800 USD. Smfh.
@@isaiah9639 I paid $1450AUD for my 1080ti new, so $1400 for a 7900XTX is a steal
I'm glad you highlighted international prices - just what I was going to comment about. I think it's the same in a lot of places outside the US. Pricing on PC Tech is just soul destroying at the moment. Whatever price gouging the US suffers, I feel that those in Australia, and other countries suffer twice over as importers and resellers all take out their greedy cut. I'm with Jay here - there's just such disillusionment out there at the moment because too much has grown beyond the ability of most people to afford. These stupid prices are driving people away from PC's and PC building, and interest in PCs - in droves. Consoles conversely are becoming more popular - which I guess AMD likes. I feel the NVIDIA brand is being badly damaged right now and as soon as AMD and INTEL can compete with a popular product - the bad guy NVIDIA will be in a lot of trouble. Can't wait.
I think Nvidia is, at least from a corporate standpoint, done "competing" in the consumer gpu space. I think they want to put all their real effort into AI chips and are just squeezing every last dollar out of the gaming pc market as possible. They probably see it as too small a slice of their potential revenues, but also don't want to just throw away the market share they have, so they will leverage it to failure first.
This...they have turned their back on the people that have allowed them to flourish and grow and simply don't give a shit about where they came from so it saddens me to see still so many nvidia fanboys refusing to see what is plain as day in front of them.
@@calistin1i forgot that you treat corporate companies like your parents like a dolt
Look at the shareholders of Nvidia tbh, Vanguard, Blackrock, JPmorgan, Morgan Stanley etc, they don't give two shits about the consumer, they just want your money.
Yes they only have 80%+ of the market lol
I love PC gaming but I’ve certainly shifted my interest completely to the games themselves and consider upgrades something to think about a few years from now rather than always paying attention to it.
Like the only reason I'm upgrading next year is because my parts are 2018 and I want AM5 longevity.
@@4566Iggysame
I know it's not your bag Jay, but second-hand GPUs are a great way to save some coin. At the beginning of this year, I bought an RX6800XT Red Devil off eBay for $405. It's been running like a champ and it plays all the AAA games I want to play. Currently playing Baldurs Gate at 2K and it looks gorgeous. I gave up on Nvidia when I bought this card and I'm not going back. Also, the Adrenalin driver/tuning software that AMD created for the Radeon cards is great. I'm done with Nvidia.
I have a 6750XT and I've been running a ton of AMD cards over the years, mostly been very happy, with some Nvidia in between. I have one issue right now and been going on since I got this card almost exactly 1 year ago now.
I have a Windows CMD Prompt that keep showing up at random and going away, it all happens in half a second or less, you barely notice it but it keeps happening and wont go away, when gaming, or just on the desktop, and it says "AMDUpdate . exe" on the few times I manage to catch it or it stay open, only happened once or twice...
I cant figure out how to get it to stop and none has been able to help or care to comment on it... Have you see this? I have other people around me with AMD cards too and believe they have seen this sometimes as well, on Reddit I found people that had this issue too so not just me but none has a solution that seem to work. Luckily its not really causing any real damage or harm, its just annoying, not even in games does it really seem to do any harm.
This right here. Got a basically new EVGA 3080FTW Ultra model for $390. Price to performance ratio is insane, it's like buying a new card in 2015 again lol. I'm never buying a new current gen card again when you can save that much money buying a used previous gen card.
same here i bought an rx 6700 xt for 280 dollars used right after the end of crypto craze and it runs like dream still after well over a year since i started to use it
finally bought an AMD gpu lol. hopefully intel keeps going. would be nice if another company could come into the mix. its wide open
Yeah, I also got a GPU from AMD just a few days ago and waiting for the rest of my parts
Upgrading from gtx 1060 gb to a rx 7900 xtx, so the jump is gonna be huge lol
Hope I did good with choosing it over a 4080
"''finally bought an AMD'' you talke like you did something for the society here. no company is your frand.
@@Definietlynotarobotthe time will come when the 16GB VRAM of a 4080 is not enough, then you won't regret the purchase
I got 7900XTX and watercooled it. It is garbage compared to NVidia though. I will most likely get the 5000-series flagship when it comes out, since doing AI with AMD is just pain in the ass. And performance of 7900XTX is not really that good even on gaming.
@@Ziegeri how much fps do you get on the 7900xtx in different games then?
This is why I went from a blue/green build to full team red. AMD has been really good imo, and I’m loving my 5800x + 7800xt
amd is doing the samething nvidia is doing just 1 step behind
One step behind is still better.
The more support people give to the companies gouging less the better.
It's the only weapon we have to combat the tactics
@@Norrie_Rugger it might seem better to you but what it does is it justifies nvidias ridiculous prices and actions. ie nvidia doesnt look asbad when the suposed competition is doing the samething they are. its like their working together to bring the prices up.
@@Eric-ct2ri your comment makes no sense. People moving off Nvidia doesn't reinforce Nvidia model
@@CubeInspector yours doesnt make sense cause thats not what i said at all. amd price matching nvidia does... a 1200$ 4080 doesnt look so bad when amd releases a card with similar performance but worse ray tracing for 1000$ now does it... ie amd justifies nvidia's 1200$ price with their 1000$ price.
This is why I'm still rockin' my 3080 and probably will be for some time. Frankly, the overwhelming greed from the tech market is causing me to loose interest in this hobby anyway.
I've been sticking with my 1080 ti. I'd really need a performance upgrade now though so I think I'll have to cave and get something when the super models come out
Hell, 🤣I'm still rocking 980 ti and I've OC'd it as far as it go, I'll ride this card into to the damn ground. Then maybe I'll think about buying something
the only reason why i thought about going 40 is for VR framerate, 3080 is stable and good, but sometimes falls below 60 in high intensive games
My 3060ti will do for a very long time
@@Prokitesssame. Just upgraded everything besides my 1080 ti. Prices are depressing right now.
thx for making the choices easier Nvidia. you've priced yourself out of market. keep it up
Plz explain. 4080S if the $999 is correct will plot right where the 7900XTX lies, and outperforms on raytracing too. 4070TiS will plot lower price than the 7900XT, and again, will outperform in raytracing, and hang on with pure rasterization. Take your hate off Nvidia and notice the whole market at this time sucks.
@@chkntndy7727you and your raytracing... The most gamers don't give a fxxk about RT and there is no so much games support it and anyway if you activate them, you will notice SOME differences for few seconds, then the fun is over because you don't notice anymore the difference.
Ray tracing is pointless and it's just a useless marketing gimmick.
It's up there with motion blur for useless settings
Yet more people consistently buy NVIDIA over the competition, so no they have NOT priced themselves out of the market. And it's AMDs fault. Can't blame INTEL, they are still new here
@@highlanderknight How is amds fault its the scalpers fault and the idiots who paids the stupid high prices for the gpus back then because nvidia were like wait these people will pay how much lets jack up all the prices then
"It's a tactic to flood the market with SKUs". Yes, it is that. But it's also a way to release "new" products that get fully covered in the tech media to generate market hype and sell new cards.
I'm very happy with my second hand 7900 XTX and AMD driver performance does age like fine wine with driver updates around the corner with FSR3 etc.
If you haven’t tried frame gen yet, I highly recommend it. I saw huge improvements on my XTX with games that allow it to enable
age like fine wine is such a stupid saying. I wish their marketing team would stop pushing it, lol
Its not age with fine wine its “this is how it shouldve been at the start.”
better then doing nothing at let them look like window98😅s@@aprilmeowmeow
I'm sure when you told your parents about the 4090 they just laughed at you so you had to settle for 3rd place
Purely from a gamer perspective, the value of console gaming is constantly increasing as GPUs are pricing consumers out of the market. Hard to believe gamers have to pay $500+ just for a new GPU that is like only hitting 60fps in new titles. Now you can get a XBOX Series X for $399 that runs games at 60fps and has keyboard & mouse support
The PS5 Pro is rumored to have 7800XT performance at $600 as well, part of it is devs relying way too much on Upscaling these days now
Sold my 3080 10GB to a family member and I bought a 7800XT. It’s an awesome card. It’s got 3090 performance with SAM enabled. RT capabilities are on par with the 3080. If AMD keeps improving and learns to keep prices reasonable, I’ll stay with AMD.
Doesn't the 7800XT literally have the exact same performance as the 3080? Did you at least make a profit from that?
@niktos001 it does not, it performs noticeably better, quit using userbenchmark, that website is literal amd slander
@@niktos001compute power they’re pretty close but the VRAM difference is already crippling the 3080 in a lot of games
@@kenshirogenjuro873 That. Especially above 1080p.
I love your optimism but AMD will not learn it. Because what they learned is to wait for NVidia to go full greed and then set their own prices just a little lower to only look ike they are not greedy. I bet that AMD is making MORE profit on for eg. 7900XTX than NVidia on 4080s. Like they pay waaaaaaaaaay less for die because it is way smaller and other dies are on higher node. So they pocket all of it. And because dies are smaller they have much higher yieds per wafer. So all this extra money goes into their pockets. AMD is not better than NVidia, NVidia is just bog and brazen like a bully that comes to you and tells you to your face to give him your wallet while AMD is like this scum thief that pats your back with one hand saying how evil NVidia is while he pickpockets you with other hand.
The idea of sunsetting models would make sense considering that's what basically happens with laptop GPUs
Haven't watched the video yet but let's see if the lines up with why I am keeping my 1080ti at all. 20 series was really much if a upgrade just added RTX. 30 Series seemed like an upgrade but was not obtainable due to scalping and 40 series is Nvidia giving no fucks.
Never been happier to have fully moved to AMD with a NITRO+ 7800 XT. It's working like a charm, and drivers have been very stable for me.
The fact that Nvidia is considering calling it a 4070 Ti super is hilarious. They just throw out all of the naming schemes into one card 😂 that makes it better right?
One has to remember that they originally intended to launch 4070 Ti as "4080 12GB".
The 4070 should have been the 4070 Ti and the 4070 Ti should have been the 4070 Ti Super from the start.
So ones again, what card we are talking now?
The can call it whatever; what matters is whether the performance matches your needs and budget for a card compared to all your other options
Hey Jay, could you maybe take a re-look at the Radeon options in the current market? I'm honestly just as P/O'd at team green, but don't really know much about what price/performance should look like for team red. The prices have been all over the map since black Friday... 🤔
Jaded is right. Ive refused to buy another Nvidia card after my gtx 1080. I finally broke down and picked up a 7900xt. While I dont think amd is the white knight everyone makes them out to be they seemingly aren't as bad as Nvidia as blatantly just price hiking their products. I'm hopefully intel will get in on the action at the mid and upper tiers after another few generations.
Agreed. If Intel was business smart (and I hope they are) they will see the enormous demand in the gaming market. I wouldn't be half surprised if AMD or Intel make some kind of proprietary CPU/GPU tech that only works hand in hand with their own products.
I've been a happy customer using AMD for 2 generations in a row but they're definitely no white knights, the biggest thing against them is that instead of releasing their cards (after the first released models of a gen anyway) at a decent price right away, they aim for just below nVidia price range, which is stupid high, notice the sales aren't there and 2 months later they lower their prices. And it seems it takes longer and longer before the middle range cards are released so that the most people possible bite the bullet and buy cards above their initial budget.
They're the challenger but they keep pulling those moves that just build bad rep'.
If they could release the whole series of a gen within 3 months of the first model with decent prices from the get go, I'm SURE way more people would jump from nVidia to AMD. It's almost like they don't want the demand to explode.
@@guillaumebackelandt7381 That is a double edge sword though since it isn't strictly AMD/nvidia/intel. Yes they set the price of the product, and they then set the adjustments down the road, but it is the consumer also who shows the price is acceptable by buying it. This was also true during the 14nm+++++++ days before Ryzen was a thing. Intel set their prices stupidly high for their CPU, but because there wasn't competition and people kept paying it, they kept on selling it for that high price. Then AMD came out with Ryzen and showed that you didn't have to have high prices to get a good CPU which cause Intel to adjust their prices down for similar high-end to mid-high end. We just really need a competitor that can do the same in the GPU sector to the point Nvidia either does one of three things - fixes their prices, partially leaves the gpu market to only release high end cards, or fully leaves the gpu market to pursue AI only.
PC building has just become such a cash grab, while everything else is also becoming so expensive. Time to move on and go console. I am giving up.
Amd could make their gpus cheaper too. But they saw the profit by just reducing their price a bit below nvidias. They make most of their money with cpu and server cpu sales.
Weren’t there reports a week or two ago that they stopped making the original cards already? They won’t be selling side by side. (Except for ones already in resellers hand.)
exactly why anyone looking for an nvidia gpu this upcoming year is fucked financially if it matters to them. for myself, i bit the bullet and said fuck trying to get a 4090 and have it be a waste of money for me and instead got a zotac 4080 amp extreme for $900 cause of discount and gift cards i had. glad i did since they stopped making 4070 ti’s and 4080’s a few months ago
The 4070 ti's and 4080's would be discontinued and replaced by the supers apparently. 4070 would remain and be sold along the Super albeit with a discount.
@@BinhBoi0115 I got sick of Nvidias shit and went AMD. Bought a 7900xt.
Ridiculous amount of different nvidia GPUs made me purchase my first ever Radeon GPU
I kind of just want to wait the 40 series out and get into an Nvidia 5090 when they eventually come out. My 7900xtx is doing really well at the moment, and would also be interested in the next gen of intel gpu's.
Its already a better card than 4070 ti super 😂
Lets face it, the prices are going to continue to be absurd and put the vast majority off buying. 3060's all around.
If the whole market collectively gave nvidia the finger and only started buying AMD or Intel than that would change but consumers aren't that smart.
Nvidia becoming like Apple. NVIDIA RTX 4080 TI SUPER like wtf is that name
Then the other manufacturers roll up and we have Gigabyte Geforce RTX 4070 Super ti Aorus Windforce2 Gaming OC 3X 24G W
How easy are the AMD names: RX 7900XTX 😉
@@techgirl517 XFX RX 7900XTX XXX
@@Knaeckebrotsaege the nickname is epic 🤣
Nvidia should split into two just like HP:
Hewlett-Packet Enterprises for the corporate setting while HP Inc. for consumer setting.
I've used HP printers, hell I even SELL HP printers. They're some of the worst when it comes to price gouging consumers.
As someone who has been building PC gaming rigs professionally for the last 20 years I’ve started people to just buy a console if they want to game. The hardware side of PC gaming has lost the value war unless you play only esport games.
I think the 3070 that I had to win in a NewEgg shuffle is going to be my last GPU for awhile until either Intel or AMD reach feature parity with nVidia or until nVidia can provide value again.
It did not feel good to buy a 3070 and then have DLSS features gated one generation later.
The only "features" gated is frame gen, which is just one feature, and not a make-or-break one at that.
Still feels bad. If it's not make or break then why doesn't it run on the 3000 series? It's bullshit.
@@ScienceReasonLove The 3000 series cannot run it on a hardware level, it was not implemented into the chip design like it was with 4000. It sucks, but it's understandable.
By design consoles are supposed to be the way to go to play games cost-effectively-absolutely not desktop PCs. Most don’t even have or need a desktop PC when a laptop will do when not using their console.
NVidia has always been ripping us off for years with their insane 50% profit margins. The problem is: Datacenter went from being ~20% of their revenue to gaming is now only ~20% of their revenue. Datacenter is now 75% of NVidia's revenue, and it already doubled in revenue in the last 2 quarters. Datacenter is expected to continue growing like crazy for them. Not only that, datacenter revenue has moved their profit margins up to ~75%.
This pricing behavior has been seen before during the past storage drive shortages, too. Datacenters will pay more to have silicon redirected to them. Why would NVidia sell to a smaller gamer market at 50% margin when you can sell to a crazy large AI market for 75%+ margin? No one knows if AI will be a bubble or not yet, but there's a lot more money than crypto in this game. However, with NVidia's insane pricing, I expect datacenters to start looking at AMD and Intel GPUs too, which AMD and Intel are obviously happy to oblige with their recent actions. Unfortunately, this means gaming GPU prices are more than likely going to suck for the forseeable future as datacenters suck up all the high end GPUs.
so, will 4070tiSuper be good deal? i mean in terms of power consumption and potential to undervolt to close to 200W at load, for 1440p gaming
Nvidia are gpu mobsters
jay starts the video face palming
me : yep, imma get some popcorns
Doesn't matter what the price Nvidia charges, people will still buy their cards.
That must be they r thinking reducing price and giving slight more performance bcoz people were already paying anything they asked for lol 😅
I think NVIDIA will mostly put a $50 discount on their OG models and increase the MSRP replaced by the super models by $50-100. I am not surprised to see some 4070s are selling more than 4070Super. That will just make the super models more attractive.
This is exactly what I was thinking. $1300 for a 4080 Super and $1100 for 4080
@@jstevens515 Yeah i don't think 4080 are going to come down.
If they do it will be like $100.
@@jstevens515Lmao no chance they increase the 4080 supers price. It'll be 1k, the full ad103 die size is smaller than the the 3070's die. You think they aren't still making greater than 4090 margins at $1000? 😂 At worst it'll be a paper launch for the $1000 models and the higher tier models will be what u can easily get at $1100-1200
It’s effectively the same thing. I think they should set things right and charge $700-800 for it but that’ll never happen.
I'm planning on building a new rig in February/March time so it'll be interesting to see what the prices of GPUs are like around then.
If NVidia wanted to get back into better if not good graces here is what they should do while not limiting the already-there-cards intentionally:
4060 $300
4070 $400
4070 Super $500
4070 Ti $600 ($625)
4070 Ti Super $700 ($750)
4080 $800 ($900)
4080 Super $900 ($1000-1100)
And yes, they can easily afford this and still be making out like bandits - take a look at how much markup these things have, all of them.
of course, I don't know how close-enough gpu's compete against each other, but the old models selling out would take care of that.
Waiting for the 4090 super ti as I'm looking to use it to play League of Legends and all the other gpu's below it wouldn't make much sense in terms of future-proofing for League.
Nvidia blows kisses in your direction. They love there whales lol
@@Rohirrim009 Couldn't be more obvious that he is being sarcastic and ragging on the typical Nvidia fanboys. The ones who buy 4090s just to play MOBAs and Minecraft lol
Earlier this year I purchased a 3060 Dual for a tad under $500 CAD. That is my financial limit for a GPU.
I feel your pain. I remember when a great midrange card could be had for a C-note in Canada. Now I'm grousing about dropping 4 times that on a 6750xt for my nephew's build.
Us Canadians are just beaten black and blue with Graphic card prices.
When I had Memory Express build the computer for me in September 2022 I did not get a GPU and just used the integrated graphics until I had the money for the 3060 which was 8 months later. @@4566Iggy
This is why i hope that intel will push on. Amd and intel(god i hate saying this about intel) will be the future!
Thanks for being you, Jay. Always looking out for us as best you can.
bought a used RX6800 for less than a 5th of a 4090 price. still 1year warranty... undervolted it, runs cool and quiet under 200watts and plays all my games just fine. 1080ti was my last enthusiast GPU.
This is why I'm gonna do a full AMD linux gaming PC build next year. This mess from Nvidia pisses me off.
This is why I buy the best from Nvidia as I don't have to worry about anything else for a couple of years. It is costly though, but it keeps from dealing with second best products.
@@jamesm568 "This is why I buy the best from Nvidia", you didn't actually explain "why" at all. "it keeps from dealing with second best products" yes, that is generally how it works when you buy the most expensive product in a category. Are you new to the whole having money thing?
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken Apparently my statement was too simple for you, but thank you for explaining it just exactly as I explained in simplicity.
@@jamesm568 Nice word salad. You still haven't explained "why", just pretending that the way I summed up your comment is how you wrote it lol. You say "this is why" in reply to a comment that has nothing to do with whether Nvidia makes the best product.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken I didn't know I had to fully explain why. I made a summarize comment and nothing more.
Saved up to upgrade my 3080 to a 4090. Was hoping for a black friday deal, boy oh boy, was I wrong.
My last upgrade I went from an evga 1070 to an evga 3090ti.
I paid $2,500 for the only 4090 model available on black Friday. That one hurt a bit
@@mrctuned2844 I bet, that's a lot of money for a gpu. It would be nice if they went back down to reasonable prices and good stock. When I bought the 1070 that was the most I had spent on a gpu up to that point.
@@mrctuned2844lmao
The only reason I'd be looking to upgrade is more video memory, my current EVGA 3080ti has 10,240 cuda cores but only 12gb of VRAM. The performance upgrade would have to be huge, like over 33% at least to get me to jump on a new card.
The 4080 is definitely 33 percent better than a 3080 ti
@@Tactify24 your opinion? Or do you have a link with numbers showing that?
@@graythorngamingtechpowerup is pretty good for that kind of stuff
funny thing actually, the 4080 is actually exactly 33% faster than the 3080ti according to their data
@@apparentlyexists They could also look at the AMD RX7900 XTX with 24Gb GDDR6... ignoring Ray tracing it's close to the 4080 and cheaper.
ty!@@apparentlyexists
Nvidia is always going the most direct way to company growth. 2020 til 2022 it was crypto. In 2023 forward it's AI. Prepare your butts for another huge price hike on RTX 5000. No doubt about it.
Easy answer : they try to sell all the GPUs they build. If they have the planned number of cores, they call it the Ti/Super. If some of the cores are disabled, it's a "normal" 4070/4080... This is a way to get rid of everything. No waste at all...
Buy used until Nvidia or AMD gets their shit together
There is always a good 2nd option: get a AMD 😉
So slightly less expensive? Yea we're pretty fucked regardless.
@@4566Iggyslightly less expensive with worse feature set …yeah no thats not a second option. If it were like 1/2 the price then we are talking.
I agree , i remeber when the cards that was 1 below the flagship was around the £550 to £600 mark and the flagship cards was around the £900 to £1000 mark. The 3080 at its very 1st release was around £650 maybe a little more ( I think i got mine just before they hit the £1000 price hike for around the £650 mark ). If they could still make a profit at them prices why bump them up so high, i think they marked them up by areound a 30 to 50% price increase and they blamed covid and crypto mining for it because of chip availability. The fact is it was a supply and demand and because they was in such a high demand the bumped up the price for a higher profit margin. I am considering changing to AMD for my next upgrade even though i havn't had an AMD card for over 20 years, but now i think the time has come to say goodbye to Nvidia, My reason is because of all the different variation of cards they now release. Whats wrong with just having 2 variations of that card ( Standard version and a more beefy version ) plus they are now releasing a ton more cards using the same chips across the board calling them Supers. What i have learned in the past few generations ( 20 series ) is that when they release more variations is the marking of the release of a new generation of card. They did this with the 20 series just to get more sales and then shortly after the 30 series was released for the same price or even cheaper. I saw the same tactic with the 30 series , at 1st the 10GB 3080's came out then they released a version with 12GB for £100 more and then not too long after the 40 series arrived. Classic Nvidia wanting Mo' Money of the consumer gone are the days where it was about what the public was willing to pay , now its all about this is what we are selling them at and if you want one we will dictated the price at a 50% more profit margin to what we was getting before.
Everyone has been fucked with card pricing once Nvidia used RTX as a 'feature' to rip everyone off.
Game industry is going through something like this, however companies like Blizzard and Bethesda are learning harsh lessons in 2023. It may be time for NVidia to learn the same lesson; being out of touch with your customer base leads to people not forking over money anymore.
Except that’s not the case. PC market is getting back to its place of proving premium gaming of a current gen at more cost and current-gen consoles being the budget option-including the Steam Deck.
The gaming industry is doing really well considering the sales of the PS5 alone during a recession
Firstly, I believe the 4070, 4070 ti and 4080 will be discontinued and the supers will be replacements at the same MSRP. Secondly, said this since the rumor mill hit, but 4070 TI Super seems like the real “value” card. 4080 Super seems to just exist for those who are gonna buy the best they can afford, while the 4070 Super will take the slot of the old 4070 TI, which honestly 12gb won’t hold up as a 5 year card. If the 5% of current 4080 and 16gb VRAM numbers are true for the 4070 TI super, if launched at $799 for that performance does not seem like a bad buy for both maximizing current enjoyment and “future proofing.” Hell, it’s personally what I’m holding out for
regular 4070 is staying for cheaper as it's basically the real 4060 ti. That's my guess as to why at least but ik it's 99% confirmed to be the only non super model in particular that will coexist with the super one.
I happely switched over to the "Red Team" this year, GPU aswell CPU. 👍
Miss you guys on rtfm, great vid, it's all big business but this is why I'm pleasantly content with my AMD rig. I felt my setup was reasonably priced but at least I wasn't super gouged
It's hard as a consumer to be excited about things we can't afford. Every release we are getting priced out of GPUs.
They don't give a f about us, and this frankly just shows it! Vote with your dollars folks! They're already complaining about sales being down an f ton, so show them we don't care for their BS either! This would honestly be a great time for Intel to show up with a competitive mainstream card that can keep up with both AMD and nvidia, for less!
AMD really needs to step up their GPU game like they did with the Ryzen CPUs. Its insane that Nvidia is getting away with this much price gouging. Only AMD and Intel can be our saviours in the GPU market
I mean they have. Sure they can’t really compete with the 4090, but they have very solid alternatives to basically all of the other cards.
@@EjayT06 yeah there's no denying that. The XTX is an absolute beast of an GPU. Its crazy to think that you can get 24GB vram for much less $$ than 4090. But it still somehow falls just short of beating it. Would've loved to see AMD bring out a proper competitor for that. I decided to pay with my wallet so got a XFX XTX. I don't care about raytracing. Upgraded from a 3070 which was terrible on my 4K build. I constantly ran out of vram on that GPU
I am using my 1080ti for 5 years, AMD is very tempting I just worry about how reliable it will be. This card has had 0 issues in all these years.
AMD cards are more reliable than nvidia cards. I've had more problems with my nvidia cards than AMD cards and I've owned quite a few over many years.
Honestly mate, i just upraded from my 1060 that i had for 6 years. go for the 6700 or if your really unsure about it go for 3070
Personally I'm just checked out of anything NVIDIA is doing. Poor driver support, insane prices, anticonsumer practices, and to crown it all, consumer isn't even their preferred market anymore. Unless your favorite games are materially better on team green, I don't see much reason to bother with anything they do right now. So yes, Jay, we're mad, too.
Great driver support, poor (AMD) competition to where gamers will buy and pay more for NVIDIA cards instead of settling for AMD. That is how the market works. Would I like NVIDIA cards to be cheaper? Sure! But I'll gladly pay more for the better NVIDIA card and so do most gamers.
AMD has one of the worst driver supports in the industry and it still doesn't even work with Windows correctly. Let's not even mention the horrible Enterprise support from AMD. If I want second best, I will go with AMD. if I want the best, Nvidia is the only way to go.
Not sure where the “poor driver support” is coming from…. I’ve owned GTX 660, GTX 970, GTX 980ti, GTX 1050ti, RTX 2080, and a RTX 3090ti over the years and not had a single driver issue. I don’t like their practices and if I build a new PC anytime soon… AMD pricing is definitely a draw and that is priced too high. The whole PC component scene is ridiculously overpriced. $1000+ mobo’s… eat a bag ASUS…
@@highlanderknightyou are the reason why Nvidia prices premium and you arent even their main consumer anymore.
Idk what you guys are going on about. My buddy has a 6700xt bought it when it came out and has never had any issues with it. Other buddy has a 6900 with not one issue. The only reason in would ever see to go Nvidia would be for Ray tracing (which amd is catching up with) or 4k which amd is probably one generation away of catching up on. But as a fps gamer amd is a way better bang for your buck if your staying in the 1440 range.
On the bright side, maybe nVidia will upgrade the DP ports to 2.0 or dare I say 2.1?
Its seems like TI doesn't mean boosted model of that SKU of card anymore and its more of a middle SKU to go in between cards in the stack. Super seems to be what they are using for refreshed/boosted versions of already released SKUs. Wish they would get their product naming streamlined....so confusing for the average consumer, obviously on purpose.
This is why I am sitting here still with my "old" 6950xt for 4k gaming, skipping more demanding modern games and just not upgrading. Waiting for Intel to hopefully somehow force the bottom/mid range of gpus down in price through competition for market share and new models. Wich might bring down the high end (not top end) a bit as well. Hopefully with the new RT formulas and GDDR7 vram we can see a proper performance/cost uplift next generation. Otherwise, I guess I`ll wait yet another one. I mean I got 2700euro (2900dollars) saved up for my pc upgrade atm and it keeps slowly growing. I COULD throw a 4090 into my PC, I just wont on pure fking principle xD
I'm sorry but as if a 6950xt is slow enough to cause you to skip games 😂
@@Frozoken I mean yeah? Alan wake 2, Starfield and Remnant 2 is a few of the games I can think of from the top of my head that wont be able to do 60fps at 4k with my GPU so I skipped them cba to even try them :)
The specs on the 4070 ti super are what I wanted for the 4 series launch. 12gb vram is not good enough. If they are going to charge more than $800 for it I will pass.
You only need more then 12GB vram if you are doing VR gaming.
@@GoatzombieBubbaNot true there's plenty of times you run out at even 1440p on AAA games and this is coming from someone who doesn't even play the slower single player games where that's an issue. It's just reality for some people and the memory bus width which is inherently tied to vram anyway is beneficial regardless
@Frozoken There arent that many games where you run out of VRAM at 12GB 1440p, and the few that do run out of VRAM, are poorly optimized, most likely running on Unreal Engine 5.
We need Tesla to start making graphics cards. They already use Nvidia in their cars and they like to make whatever they can inhouse. So, why not GPU's?
Underated comment. Musk, time to be a humanitarian again 🧐
I think we are witnessing the end of the need of a dedicated gpu. With the ia and new technologies as dlss or whatever will come, combined next high performance multi core cpus with +48 threads will be able to perform much better than any gpu we know now. Motherboards could have some integrated cores needed in that regard. And using 128gb ddr5 or ddr6 ram and a graphic dedicated ssd, you can imagine the fps that system could get
New meteor lake laptops play a plenty of games at 60+ fps on 1080p with igpu. So yeah, this can happen, but not quite there yet. There could be development more towards larger dies and then both AMD and Intel would have room to build good mid-level igpus.
@@hydraulixx larger integrated dies like M3 max ultra pro hyper cyber actually have quite capable igpus that also work well for running larger machine learning tasks. One of the keys is that the system memory on those work like vram in dgpus so you can run models that require over 100GB vram on PC side.
@@hydraulixx Now you are moving goalposts which is a logical fallacy. You stated that "hat could maybe work for low-end to average consumer but definitely not going to happen anytime soon for mid-/high-end performance.". A 128GB VRAM equivalent portable machine learning machine is far beyond any midrange gear. Actually it is only surpassed by professional gear out of which cheapest is Nvidia H100 which has a starting price of around 35 000 EUR for the 80GB variant. Sure, dGPUs will always rule on the top end of course: just having a separate cooling unit which you can push with 700W of power will always have more scaling, but mid range may well be going for the iGPU route at some point.
@@hydraulixx nah. I think you just misunderstood what you said. But such is life when people fall into logical fallacies and fail to learn from their mistakes, but instead double down on them.
Jay, you said a couple months back that Nvidia had started slowing shipping the cards. So now that NO ONE has them in stock, they will start shipping these models at the same prices as the current models but the models that are priced will more than likely be one tier down. 4090 price tag for 4080 card, etc etc. Then they will jack the super pricing even higher than that.
I genuinely believe that is what they intend to do.
"they will start shipping these models at the same prices as the current models but the models that are priced will more than likely be one tier down" ????
My guy that sentence is incoherent as hell.
Next Nvidia GPU will have the name of "Ti Super Ultra Duper Twin-turbo Intercooler GT-R"
So we will be counting the crap after the GPU name to figure out it's SKU :P
The next model will be the Ti Super 'Tie'
Reminds me of the old days (Titan Z), glad to know Jay is still on the side of the consumer after all these years :)
He should be mad at the consumer.
@@neemanonNope.
@@OneFreeMan17 yes. They drive the price. If nobody bought at that high price what do you think Nvidia would do?
NoPe
@@neemanon Nvidia is the greedy grifter, they are to blame
@@neemanon Right. As much as I hate Nvidia, this is the consumers' fault. They are the ones who continue to buy the cards at these prices. They are the ones who paid scalper prices in 2020 which is why MSRPs are now here to begin with. They whine and whine about it and tell people to buy AMD instead, just hoping someone else will do the work for them of abstaining from buying Nvidia. They want to reap the rewards of lower Nvidia prices without having to buy and use an AMD card instead. They only want Nvidia.
It's so obvious when _everyone_ is saying to buy AMD yet AMD's market share has not changed much at all.
If the problem is nVidia, stop giving them the attention they crave, AMD is more stable, more supported (Linux), and more price to performance appropriate, and Intel s Graphics also exist kinda lol.
As far as yield I thought there was a rumor that nVidia has been saving the full yield chips all along.
As if it matters any way. The die is literally smaller than the 3070's, they can reduce it with a technically slightly more expensive chip BECAUSE IT WAS SO LUDICROUSLY OVERPRICED LMAO. Ur also right that is the rumour and it's true because they don't have any ai cards with the full die either
Random thing I’d like to see. Maybe review on some of the new gaming laptops, with as powerful as the gpus are becoming I’d love to see what you recommend and suggest. It’s been a few years since I looked into gaming laptops, but obviously the big issue was the thermals. Wondering if that’s improved at all. Thanks for the great content as always! 👍
I want to build a new rig so badly and this is the main reason I can't. This is why I like watching Jay, it gives me knowledge instead getting gouged out my hard earned money. Thanks Jay!
4070 and 7800xt/6800xt are pretty good cards at semi-ok prices.
I really wanted a 4080. Is a 7800xt good performance wise?
@@zillam3t4l7800xt basically equals a 4070 but slightly faster. If you learn to overclock it and it's lower tier model are the only modern cards that can jump a full tier with one (to very close to a 4070ti or slightly ABOVE a 3090 with the 7800xt) so there's that too. A $500 3090 with a lil work doesn't sound too bad but it's not gonna get u nvidia features regardless
The last card I actually had respect for and didn’t feel robbed when I checked out at bestbuy was the Evga GTX1080ti FTW3 edition. I LOVED that card had it up till 2 years ago when I bought a new ST and sold it for a HP Tuner 😂
Of course they're hosing the market. Lol
Cool, so for $799 to $850 I can buy a card that has 15% more performance than my 3080. What a deal!
one of the big reasons to not buy second hand and get a card new is because you won't have to worry about it being faked or more used than advertised (or worst; outright broken). With the price points as they're going?
Actually no we're already past that point.
Even if the card is a lesser faked card, chances are it's still going to be more worthwhile than a guaranteed 15% average increase in performance at not just the card cost but also the power supply AND mostly likely the new case - thus effectively not just spending 1/3rd on the card, but ~1/6th on the total cost (would be even more if you where...'brave' enough to by a second hand power supply) - as most people (at least according to steam stats) are still 2-4 generations behind.
When you look at it like that, man does it really put it into perspective...
The 4080 will never go down in price, the super will be near the 4090 MSRP, and the 4090 will rise in price, already now the cheapest 4090 are around 2000 to make the 4080 super seem like a good deal
With their prices, Nvidia are taking all the fun out of buying one of their GPUs. I went to get the RTX 4070 at a local PC parts store fully aware of the upcoming new models in January and extremely annoyed that I would have to shell out the money or stay another month or two without a proper GPU. As luck would have it, they were out of stock on this graphics card, which gave me the excuse to immediately buy my second choice, the RX 7800 XT. Surprisingly, it's a good video card. My levels of anxiety haven't been lower. I've stopped giving a rat's behind what's next from Nvidia. And I am actually way more interested what would AMD and Intel do with their discrete GPUs because my whole frame of reference has suddenly shifted away from a situation that even Jay has no polite words to describe.
While I completely agree with you, your first mistake is walking into a brick and mortar store. You can almost always find these cheaper online with refund policies and even cheaper for used which every single one of my cards have been. eBay will literally refund you every penny if a GPU ships to you in a non functional state.
Bro we've been talking about Nvidia being shady and anti consumer since before covid. Yet here we still are. Talking about how angry the new Nvidia gpus make us.
I didn't buy the 700 series because nvidia is so anti-consumer. so I think they are aware people can say what they will, and they can keep doing whatever they want and they can keep selling cards.
Surely this has a massive knock on effect for the whole Computer Industry as a whole. People not bothering to upgrade a GPU due to the prices are not going to then upgrade other parts and buys other items. I for one would be in this bracket. My computers not worked for about 4-5 years. My 980ti packed in and ive not bothered to upgrade anything since due to the prices of the GPUs
What you do for a GPU primarily? If game, get a current gen consoles that were long overdue and the platforms the gaming industry prefers gamers play on in the first place.
Could of been $200 cheaper from the get go? The 4080 could've been released at $800 and Nvidia is still laughing to the bank with 120% profits.
I really think if people actually quit buying their gaming GPUs Nvidia will just say screw them and go all in on AI
Just got a 2nd 3070. Putting it in my kids pc. I paid $300 which is way better than the $1400 I paid on stockx during covid. The prices for the new gpus are insane
I've just given up on getting a new PC, even mid-range. The prices are just too insane for me to be able to justify it. It's sad, I used to upgrade every 3 years, now it's been 6, soon 7, years since my last upgrade and it looks like I'll use my current PC until it breaks down and forces me to buy something new. And when I do, it'll have to be low-tier stuff.
Luckily for AMD/Intel/Nvidia there's plenty of people that are ok with paying whatever price they set, so they'll just keep doing it.
I recently bought an XFX RX 6800 for $369, which is the first time I've purchased an ATI/AMD graphics card in over 15 years. I wanted to play Alan Wake II and this was the best option for me. However, since it's a non-water-cooled card, I need to find a waterblock for it. My last three or four GPUs had full-coverage waterblocks, My old generic GPU block was designed for 1/4" tubing, which I don't think will cut it for today's GPUs.
It feels even worse when cracks near the pins ruin the card and manufacturers refuse to cover it.
Maybe they should be including warnings about the weight possibly cracking the card? At least it would potentially help with awareness.