2 THINGS to KEEP in MIND 1. I'm on my way to get better at pronunciation, forgive my English, this channel is meant to allow me to improve. 2. This is my Main Spanish YT channel, I translate all the videos myself. I could use AI, but my objective is to get better, not to be lazy.
This is the biggest quality to subscriber ratio disparity ive ever come across YT. even if you had 100x the subs, the production quality is crazy good. subbed!
Graphene pads are one time use. You cannot use them again after taking off the heatsink. If you dont remove the heatsink, you dont have to ever change it because the temp will be the same from the day you installed it. Thermal paste will last from 1 year to 10 years depending on brand and type. Kingpin is best to reduce temps but after 1 year the temps will be more hot and will need to be changed.
That's something I learned after the video, it was just my first encounter with them. Thanks for the information, I'll pin this comment to allow it to reach more people!
@@BenTech-UShave you heard of PTM 7950? It's also single use. However, it starts solid and melts at 45 degrees. Because it can actually melt to get into all the nooks and crannies and crevices, it should give way better performance. Still has the same issue where you can't replace the fan. But that's what makes it absolutely perfect for GPUs and laptops.
high end thermal paste ( what i mean is paste that are best for dropping temps/high performance paste) will start to degrade after 9months to 1 year.. so yeah overtime temp will increase which is why you want to change this on a yearly basis. Meanwhile Graphene pads & liquid metal are good for 1x use only and will last forever as long as you don't remove the heatsink. however for liquid metal this is only applicable if the heatsink is nickel plated a pure copper w/o nickel plating will absorb gallium (i think its gallium) and will cause the liquid metal to dry earlier but once the copper absorbed LQ it will take longer to dry later on, for nickel plated only a tiny bit will be absorbed and even if it dries as long as you don't remove the heatsink or tilt the heatsink that might cause crack (in the current dry = solid form LQ) this will retain its thermal conductivity but once cracked it will reduce its thermal conductivity or worst your now good as w/o thermalpaste. I'm current using a liquid metal under my CPU block for 2 year and 6months + now the other advantage is at peak load you will have better temp drop + better boost compare to highend thermal paste. Are this new graphene pads good? i though its performance is still inferior than a paste if this is good I'm going to use it in my GPU upgrade.
You're smart *in DJ Khaled voice* Intel imo is garbage, CPUs that die and have horrible temps and efficiency. 7800x3d is the way to go for gaming, very efficient CPU with crazy performance.
@@I.K.illedThatBeardGuy PTM has lower thermal conductivity than thermal paste but somehow it performs significantly better on my GPU. Makes me wonder if these thermal paste manufacturers are lying?, Honeywell PTM is Industrial grade so it's been very thoroughly tested and has accurate packaging details.
I like the video, however the -30 degree is VERY MISLEADING. If paste is applied properly the temperature difference could be positive (doesn't have to be) but most of the time it is a matter of 1-2 degree at most. Nowhere near -30 ...
I had worse results with thermal pad than with thermal paste. So I went right back. Waste of money in my experience. Cpu overclocked to 5,4ghz 12900K and Cooler NZXT Kraken Elite.
I also find this very misleading. These thermal pads are not superior to paste, they perform about thesame, but are far from liquid metal. The advantage of pads is the longevity. Roman Bauer "Der 8auer" (the man behind Thermal Grizzly) even says that in his vidoes. The -30c is either staged or the previous cooler mount was not correctly done.
I think "PTM 7950" (or whatever phase change they sell as PTM 7950) sold on aliexpress would be fun to test, it's similar (or even cheaper) price to those sheets. Gotta test before and after burn-in though! Good luck on practicing pronunciation, it's much prefered to AI-tools. I can't stand them.
You would get 2 sheets about 4 times the size of those pads for the same money. Whist it is good it is incredibly fiddly to work with, results take a bit of heat cycling but are definitely one of the best options for bare die applications such as laptops. Having used it multiple for laptops myself I can attest to it's quality. I used Upsiren PCM-1 branded version and it works perfectly. Upsiren UX Pro Ultra thermal putty is a good thermal pad replacement to go with it. In my personal laptop it reduced temps by 16'C peak and a further 8'C under general gaming load. It also brought all the cores temp delta much closer together, before the variation could be as much as 10-12'C, now it never goes over 4'C max variation. Slightly higher boost clocks, 100MHz means more headroom for the GPU to boost as well. I used it there as well and temps have come down too. When capped at the same MHz it's around 7'C cooler. Fans are much quieter and so I leave it at that.
I'm pretty sure the temperature difference you're seeing mostly comes from the thermal paste in the IHS and this being one of those chinese boards. Pretty much every other test of these pads is positive, but not 15ºC better than good thermal pastes. Mind you, most "famous" pastes are bad for direct die application like what you have between the die and the IHS. For that location, you eant thick pastes like the GC-Extreme, GC-4, Prolimatech PK-3, etc. Those Thermal Grizzly, Arctic, Cooler Master and Noctua pastes pump themselves out of the die almost immediately.
That's the point, probably that's what's giving that much of a difference here, and I'm glad you shared those tips, I'll definitely try something different under the IHS. I never knew about that, so thank you very much!
W/mk numbers are useless without other data like pressure and heat. Anyhow, in a normal CPU mounting mechanism and generated heat, graphene pad only goes around 3.5 W/mk, so it's probably worse than good paste out there. Also, paste that advertise more than maybe 5 or 6 W/mk is also screwing their data a little bit. Good paste can maybe reach 5.5 W/mk under real world scenario, but anymore than that is just misleading marketing, and yes, that applies to basically every major brands out there. That is why arctic and derbauer did not include any W/mk measurement anymore, simply because the metric is unusable without any standard whatsoever.
Didn't work for me on my 14900KF. Works fine under light load, but under heavy load it gave me instant thermal throttle. Maybe works fine for lower wattage CPUs, but 253W crocodile ate that thermal pad for breakfast. While with thermal paste it hits 85C max.
However, the thermal conductivity of this thermal pad is not as good as expected, because its main heat conduction is not vertical but horizontal, which is not much better than silicone grease. At the same time, it will basically be unusable after disassembly, because the crease will affect the next use. Yes, when you buy a new product, if it is squeezed or it has a crease when you install it, then congratulations, this product is basically useless, like a gamble, of course this is a joke! You can choose the product you like, and I choose silicone grease.
Good video. If you're using Zen 4/5 CPU the pad should be exactly the size of the die. Wasted a day to figure out why the laptop was not booting after surrounding it with insulation tapes and only alternative was to add little amount of paste on both sides just to keep it from falling off. I used IC HC pad. Getting much higher cinebench scores and the fan profile is slow causing temps to hit 96c with stock paste and new thermal paste cooler master maker gel nano. Now it's 86C-90C. Thermal paste pumps out quickly due to how quickly the CPU changes frequency
I discovered that problem after getting it (a month ago). Anyway I use it to render with Quicksync, my render times have been reduced to half of what they where with AMD, hope by the time it's degraded I already got the value back by the time saved...
Is Intel specially better for Quick sync? It seems weird that your render times would be halved unless you were using an AMD processor that wasn't also top tier.@@BenTech-US
I've been using the graphene pads from IC for years now, but with the new build I am doing at the end of the year, or early next (waiting on the new X3D and Nvidia stuff) I was going to switch to the TG pads. I really don't understand why some people are seeing the temperatures they are measuring with the pads though vs paste. Paste was always superior because it fills in the gaps, while the pads do not. The pads however were always within 2C - 5C of paste and you never need to reapply them. Some channels were showing the TG pads performing better than paste (somehow), while most showed them to be slightly inferior.
The TG pad fills the gaps because it kind of melts/deforms when it becomes hot. But youre right, they are not superior to paste, even thermal grizzly never stated that.
Just changed to KryoSheet myself and I've found my idle temps are a bit cooler than even Kryonaut (non-Extreme) with my AMD 5950X. The Kryonaut application was maybe two years old when I changed it, which may have had something to do with the improvement. But the graphene will still last longer without degrading, so it was definitely worth it.
Great quality video. Nice and clean setting in every scene. Can't believe it's only 6 minutes long even though there's so much information packed in. To be honest, your channel deserves more subscribers. Great work 👍👍
13th and 14th gen intel have microcode issues and oxidation problems.. They degrade fast and get hot and self destruct eventually.. Change to 10-12th gen or go amd. Problem solved.
Great vid! I love how you explain stuff in a way that is easy to understand. These new thermal pads sound pretty cool. I wish CPU manufacturers or cooler manufacturers would include them.
Considering how much each individual component of a computer system costs by itself, $30 for a graphene pad that provided that big of an improvement is a heck of a great deal. So, I wouldn't get too hung up on the price. Even if the price was twice as much, it seems to be worth it. Also, your English is good now and it will get better over time. The plus side is you're bilingual. Not many people have that advantage.
Yes, they are worth their price, and considering the hustle of the thermal paste, you get something MUCH cleaner and practical... But the price is worth talking about by the factor that a better CPU fan may cost that price different and might be more of an upgrade. But for me, it's worth every penny. Thank you very much for your kind words, you helped me a lot, it gives me motivation to keep grinding and get better. By the way, english is my 3rd lenguage, I love to get better at it because the other 2 (Spanish and Catalan) are native, so having a 3rd one with that much of a broader audience gives me a lot of reasons to practice and improve. Again, thank you very much!
Man, the video was so well made that I honestly thought I was watching some youtuber with several hundred thousand subscribers, so I did a double take when I noticed you're sitting at just 127 right now. Well, you earned another one, so keep doing what you do and stay awesome!
If you ask me, with all those money spent on the graphene and all Grizly overpriced products, I would got a desktop CPU and maybe an AIO The biggest issue with your rig is that IHS.. to much thermal resistance.. I got 50°C on my 11700K @ 100W using Arctic Cooling MX5 TIM.. with a custom loop.. but.. Another thing to mention: best practice when comparing temperatures between coolers, fans, thermal interface material or other things is to make it at the same TDP Claiming 30C ∆ but at different TDPs is misleading.. BIG TIME !! ✌✌
I have an Erying board with the vapor chamber because is M atx, and I bought it instead because of the thermal throttling problem on itx. I don't have thermal problems and my processor run full speed at 68w but I'm curious to try this special pads. Btw... Is there a good contact between the cpu and IHS? Isn't too thin? I'm afraid of this. Ps have u tried undervolting? Erying motherboards push a lot on the core. Try at least a -100mv on the core, and -50mV on the cache. You will be surprised ;)
have you tried a different cooler??? that r23 score seems awfully low for such a large heatsink. Maybe you have the fans turned down to be silent? My 12800hx laptop averages 22k in r23 but with CRAZY loud fan noise.
Not really. I mean, he lowered the TDP and good paste will be very similar (likely better) than the pads. The huge benefit those pads have is that they dont degrade / dry out, so they will last indefinitely, as long as you dont remove the heatsink. The pads are very good tho, but nowhere near tens of degrees, more like same or a degree or two better at best, and may be worse if you use really good paste. I'd still go for pads. Just not for misleading reasons like -30°C
@@Yamyatos It's true that some thermal pastes are as expensive, or even more expensive sometimes. Ok, so it’s both practical and effective, thank you for the details!
@@Yamyatos Yeah, he's being very misleading in this video. I did some research and he's basically the only one claiming such huge results, everyone else says they're the same or slightly worse than good thermal paste.
Hi there, My processor measures 40x40mm and they only sell a 38x38mm pad. Do you think this is right or do you need to adjust or go slightly beyond the 40x40?
I talk about that at the end, in theory they don't degrade, and according to the brand manual you can change them every 3 years. Anyway I'll try to do a follow up after some time to check everything. Thank you for your comment!
No point, heatsink and fans perform very close to AIOs anyways and last way longer, AIOs have a way shorter warranty because manufacturers know they develop problems down the line.
We used to buy 120 watt light bulb now its being replace with 10 watt LED. Why not PCs do the same? Electricity isn't cheap in the USA. I pay 300 USD a month on electricity with out the ac. lol I gave up going for higher performance. Im ok with 35 watt CPUs plus there isnt much difference I always use low settings even with the RTX 4070 for competitive there isn't much games that are GOOD that uses a lot of CPU. I cant wait for 15 watts and that is close to level Apple and Qualcomm. x86 companies needs to focus on performance with lower power draw.
Because you need the same amount of light to light a room 20 years ago and today. In PCs the deamand for performance is rising. Chips are becoming more efficient, but at the same rate applications and games are becoming more demanding. So if you can make a 10w cpu that performs the same as a 100w cpu from 10 years ago, you can also make a 100w cpu that performs 10x better than a 100w cpu from 10 years ago (just an example). Hardware drives software an vice versa. When there is performance, games make use of it. And there are many games that use a good amount of cpu. The thing with x86 vs ARM is: upscaling. It does not go linear (like in my example above). Low wattage chips will always be more efficient in terms of performance/watt. You can also see this in x86. There is no huge difference when running a ryzen at its 170w vs. eco mode with only 105w. So once apples or qualcomms chips hit the same performance levels as highend intel or amd chips - then its a fair comparison. But i agree with you, rather than just pushing the limit we should focus on efficency and try to optimize software first.
Excelentisimo video hermano, que calidad, diosmio parecia que veia una obra cinematográfica, el inglés muy bien, veo videos en ingles y español y uff solo un poco de pronunciación pero nada nada mal. Me he suscrito, me encantó tu producción y contenido.
All that information could have fit easy in one minute. I did get bored and tried to jump at the interesting part of it but missed it obviously. Man just show standard paste againsted graphin (and point out there is two diff. graphin pads) and only clean one and I mean ONLY once the paste for show (max!!) and compare. F* 1 min. TOP!!! Dont get it why everyone needs to get his life story been delivered. LOVE just facts. Saves nervs and time and get a like from me and maybe a sub.
I have a similar case and was a bit sceptical about it due to where I live 🇰🇪 being quite hot around the beaches Case Fractal Terra -Silver GPU Zotac RTX 3070 CPU Intel i5 -12600K PSU 650w SFX Gold SSD 1TB Samsung 970 Evo Motherboard Gigabyte B760i RAM DDR5 32GB Cooler ID-Cooling IS-55 Thank you for this
Wow! Kenya? How amazing is internet, love to see that. At the end it reduces temperatures by 10-20%, depending on each case/cpu fan. I think on your computer probably would be the same as mine, as I'm in Spain and it's also quite hot in summertime. Thank you!
Nah, there's something with ITX, minimalism, simple, and ergonomics. Those big towers are too big for me, I have been using a Lian Li o11 for years, but got tired of it.
Excelente vídeo bro la calidad de edicion es super profesional la verdad nunca habia visto ninguno de tus videos pero ya tienes nuevo suscriptor! Pregunta.. tengo ese mismo case y como sabes estamos limitados a coolers low profile, crees que reemplazando mi pasta termica por uno de esos pads pero sin hacer lo del IHS mejore mis temperaturas?
por qué no colocarle un AIO o refrigeración líquida custom?. buen video y cortito bien explicado y demostrado cómo los que hace optimum lo cual me es muy útil para entender y hacerme llegar el mensaje. soy nueva y me acabo de suscribir. ya había visto unos videos anteriores en todo caso. ¿entonces puedo colocarle un thermal pad de grafeno a mi 5700X3D (futuro 7800X3D) con un Cooler Master Hyper 212 Turbo LED White y despreocuparme? ya que en caso de algo siempre es una molestia poner pasta térmica y conseguirla sobretodo cuando no hay dinero para eso.
The graphite pad used between the CPU IHS and cooler is reusable, however it's extremely delicate so removing the cooler does present the possibility of tearing it. If it's still a fairly large chunk though, it will still perform, although maybe not as well as it did before as that depends on where your CPU die that is generating all the heat is. If the pad is still over the die, then it should still perform well. As for the pad used between the CPU die and IHS, no comment since I haven't used it before, although you might be able to get more info on the thermalgrizzly website.
Haven't tested them, anyway maybe it's better to simply use a brand dedicated to this kind of thing, and not to pay more for a branded thermal pad of whoever knows what brand. Isn't that true? Thank you for your comment!
@@BenTech-US LTT is simply a reseller. The pads they sell are Honeywell PTM7950 Phase Change Material pads for industrial applications. LTT only sells it because it's nearly impossible to buy from the original source. I highly recommend it. Keep in mind that the best thermal performance will only come after many sessions of extended heat and cooling, as the phase change material will soak into the heatsink with every session and get better.
@@Snowowowie Have anyone even got a phase-changing material that didn't perform similarily? I'm 100% sure there's a ton of other PTMs but I wouldn't guess they're bad, - not sure if LTT can get it's hands on genuine supplier from Honeywell either, but I trust them a little more than Aliexpress for sure. But I think even middle-of the pack OEM PTMs perform around as well as best pastes, with the upside of much lower maintenance.
Wow! amazing info to gather, I'll try to do a follow up on that LTT, or at least try on my own. The thermal paste has been on the computer for 4 weeks at least, it was brand new, it's just my new build, so not enough time for it to degrade...
Pretty sure this is a scam😂 Bro can you test simple aluminum foil as a thermal pad? 0.02mm thiknes Or better copper foil if you can find it. Pretty sure you will get the same results😂
Why would I scam someone? I bought them just to try everything, since a friend of mine recommended this for me. The most probable thing, is that the CPU stock IHS thermal paste was absolut trash, so then with a little upgrade, the difference is BIG.
2 THINGS to KEEP in MIND
1. I'm on my way to get better at pronunciation, forgive my English, this channel is meant to allow me to improve.
2. This is my Main Spanish YT channel, I translate all the videos myself. I could use AI, but my objective is to get better, not to be lazy.
Keep it up. I subbed.
as an English only speaker I understand everything you are saying, yes pronunciation needs work but all good man.
Thank you very much!
+1 respect for not using AI
Your English is great, no worries. With sexy accent too. Keep it.
This is the biggest quality to subscriber ratio disparity ive ever come across YT. even if you had 100x the subs, the production quality is crazy good.
subbed!
Took the words right out of my mouth. I, too, have subscribed.
did not notice till i read ur comment lol
Graphene pads are one time use. You cannot use them again after taking off the heatsink. If you dont remove the heatsink, you dont have to ever change it because the temp will be the same from the day you installed it.
Thermal paste will last from 1 year to 10 years depending on brand and type. Kingpin is best to reduce temps but after 1 year the temps will be more hot and will need to be changed.
That's something I learned after the video, it was just my first encounter with them. Thanks for the information, I'll pin this comment to allow it to reach more people!
so how long do graphene pads last?
@@brandyynforever as long as you don't remove the heatsink
@@BenTech-UShave you heard of PTM 7950? It's also single use. However, it starts solid and melts at 45 degrees. Because it can actually melt to get into all the nooks and crannies and crevices, it should give way better performance.
Still has the same issue where you can't replace the fan. But that's what makes it absolutely perfect for GPUs and laptops.
high end thermal paste ( what i mean is paste that are best for dropping temps/high performance paste) will start to degrade after 9months to 1 year.. so yeah overtime temp will increase which is why you want to change this on a yearly basis.
Meanwhile Graphene pads & liquid metal are good for 1x use only and will last forever as long as you don't remove the heatsink.
however for liquid metal this is only applicable if the heatsink is nickel plated a pure copper w/o nickel plating will absorb gallium (i think its gallium) and will cause the liquid metal to dry earlier but once the copper absorbed LQ it will take longer to dry later on, for nickel plated only a tiny bit will be absorbed and even if it dries as long as you don't remove the heatsink or tilt the heatsink that might cause crack (in the current dry = solid form LQ) this will retain its thermal conductivity but once cracked it will reduce its thermal conductivity or worst your now good as w/o thermalpaste.
I'm current using a liquid metal under my CPU block for 2 year and 6months + now the other advantage is at peak load you will have better temp drop + better boost compare to highend thermal paste.
Are this new graphene pads good? i though its performance is still inferior than a paste if this is good I'm going to use it in my GPU upgrade.
There is a better fix, AMD. You’re welcome.
You're smart *in DJ Khaled voice*
Intel imo is garbage, CPUs that die and have horrible temps and efficiency.
7800x3d is the way to go for gaming, very efficient CPU with crazy performance.
@@TheRealName7What about people that already have an intel CPU, and what about people that don't game.
@@AshLordCurry well they cooked and may have to deal with Intel's incompetence.
@@AshLordCurrypeople who already have intel their cpus probably are already permanently damaged and for thos who dont game and r9950x
I use an intel cpu and it’s not that bad, if I could go back, I would tell myself to get AMD though
Why don't you try ptm7950
I am using that it's awesome
@@I.K.illedThatBeardGuy PTM has lower thermal conductivity than thermal paste but somehow it performs significantly better on my GPU. Makes me wonder if these thermal paste manufacturers are lying?, Honeywell PTM is Industrial grade so it's been very thoroughly tested and has accurate packaging details.
@@TheRealName7 Phase changing will suck up a lot of heat and paste does not do that.
@@TheRealName7LTT did a video on PTM 7950. Sadly, gamers nexus hasn't.
PTM7950 gets better the longer it's used, and when used for a duration can have heat tranferability comparable to liquid metal.
I like the video, however the -30 degree is VERY MISLEADING. If paste is applied properly the temperature difference could be positive (doesn't have to be) but most of the time it is a matter of 1-2 degree at most.
Nowhere near -30 ...
I had worse results with thermal pad than with thermal paste. So I went right back. Waste of money in my experience. Cpu overclocked to 5,4ghz 12900K and Cooler NZXT Kraken Elite.
He had max 97 with paste and max 87 with the graphene pads. The title is a lie and it's just another clickbaity youtuber lol
I also find this very misleading. These thermal pads are not superior to paste, they perform about thesame, but are far from liquid metal. The advantage of pads is the longevity. Roman Bauer "Der 8auer" (the man behind Thermal Grizzly) even says that in his vidoes. The -30c is either staged or the previous cooler mount was not correctly done.
I think "PTM 7950" (or whatever phase change they sell as PTM 7950) sold on aliexpress would be fun to test, it's similar (or even cheaper) price to those sheets.
Gotta test before and after burn-in though!
Good luck on practicing pronunciation, it's much prefered to AI-tools. I can't stand them.
Paste is better than these graphene pads. But phase change is really good and should be used.
@@tacticalcenter8658 yup, its almost as good as liquid metal, but of course, if dd then lm, otherwise ptm pcm or whatever its called
You would get 2 sheets about 4 times the size of those pads for the same money. Whist it is good it is incredibly fiddly to work with, results take a bit of heat cycling but are definitely one of the best options for bare die applications such as laptops. Having used it multiple for laptops myself I can attest to it's quality. I used Upsiren PCM-1 branded version and it works perfectly. Upsiren UX Pro Ultra thermal putty is a good thermal pad replacement to go with it. In my personal laptop it reduced temps by 16'C peak and a further 8'C under general gaming load. It also brought all the cores temp delta much closer together, before the variation could be as much as 10-12'C, now it never goes over 4'C max variation. Slightly higher boost clocks, 100MHz means more headroom for the GPU to boost as well. I used it there as well and temps have come down too. When capped at the same MHz it's around 7'C cooler. Fans are much quieter and so I leave it at that.
Built in heat, started selling Pentium 7950 on their website. It's honestly probably the cheapest way to get the real deal.
I'm pretty sure the temperature difference you're seeing mostly comes from the thermal paste in the IHS and this being one of those chinese boards. Pretty much every other test of these pads is positive, but not 15ºC better than good thermal pastes.
Mind you, most "famous" pastes are bad for direct die application like what you have between the die and the IHS. For that location, you eant thick pastes like the GC-Extreme, GC-4, Prolimatech PK-3, etc.
Those Thermal Grizzly, Arctic, Cooler Master and Noctua pastes pump themselves out of the die almost immediately.
That's the point, probably that's what's giving that much of a difference here, and I'm glad you shared those tips, I'll definitely try something different under the IHS. I never knew about that, so thank you very much!
@@BenTech-UStry phase change material and popular thermal paste. It will be better than those graphene pads.
W/mk numbers are useless without other data like pressure and heat. Anyhow, in a normal CPU mounting mechanism and generated heat, graphene pad only goes around 3.5 W/mk, so it's probably worse than good paste out there. Also, paste that advertise more than maybe 5 or 6 W/mk is also screwing their data a little bit. Good paste can maybe reach 5.5 W/mk under real world scenario, but anymore than that is just misleading marketing, and yes, that applies to basically every major brands out there.
That is why arctic and derbauer did not include any W/mk measurement anymore, simply because the metric is unusable without any standard whatsoever.
Didn't work for me on my 14900KF. Works fine under light load, but under heavy load it gave me instant thermal throttle. Maybe works fine for lower wattage CPUs, but 253W crocodile ate that thermal pad for breakfast. While with thermal paste it hits 85C max.
TH-cam boost this man!
However, the thermal conductivity of this thermal pad is not as good as expected, because its main heat conduction is not vertical but horizontal, which is not much better than silicone grease. At the same time, it will basically be unusable after disassembly, because the crease will affect the next use. Yes, when you buy a new product, if it is squeezed or it has a crease when you install it, then congratulations, this product is basically useless, like a gamble, of course this is a joke! You can choose the product you like, and I choose silicone grease.
Good video. If you're using Zen 4/5 CPU the pad should be exactly the size of the die. Wasted a day to figure out why the laptop was not booting after surrounding it with insulation tapes and only alternative was to add little amount of paste on both sides just to keep it from falling off. I used IC HC pad.
Getting much higher cinebench scores and the fan profile is slow causing temps to hit 96c with stock paste and new thermal paste cooler master maker gel nano. Now it's 86C-90C. Thermal paste pumps out quickly due to how quickly the CPU changes frequency
1. Buy a bigger case, 2. Buy an AIO. Problem solved.
Nice vid, didn't know these pads existed. Too bad your 13900k will oxidize and die too fast for this to have been worth it.
lol, oxidize and die too fast when he's probably using it for over a year by now? sure.
I discovered that problem after getting it (a month ago). Anyway I use it to render with Quicksync, my render times have been reduced to half of what they where with AMD, hope by the time it's degraded I already got the value back by the time saved...
@@BenTech-US yeah it's recent development. Sucks but I hope you get the value squeezed out before it's dieded.
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Is Intel specially better for Quick sync? It seems weird that your render times would be halved unless you were using an AMD processor that wasn't also top tier.@@BenTech-US
13900k, small cooler = High temps.
But interesting video man.
I've been using the graphene pads from IC for years now, but with the new build I am doing at the end of the year, or early next (waiting on the new X3D and Nvidia stuff) I was going to switch to the TG pads. I really don't understand why some people are seeing the temperatures they are measuring with the pads though vs paste. Paste was always superior because it fills in the gaps, while the pads do not. The pads however were always within 2C - 5C of paste and you never need to reapply them. Some channels were showing the TG pads performing better than paste (somehow), while most showed them to be slightly inferior.
The TG pad fills the gaps because it kind of melts/deforms when it becomes hot. But youre right, they are not superior to paste, even thermal grizzly never stated that.
You can get 55C on full load even of old decent stuff like MX4. Just need double tower cooler with 300W heat dissipation.
insane video quality good video
Thank you! I try my best!
Just changed to KryoSheet myself and I've found my idle temps are a bit cooler than even Kryonaut (non-Extreme) with my AMD 5950X. The Kryonaut application was maybe two years old when I changed it, which may have had something to do with the improvement. But the graphene will still last longer without degrading, so it was definitely worth it.
the thing is you can also upgrade your cooler to the nh-l12sx77 it fits perfectly in the terra and has alot better thermal performance
Great quality video. Nice and clean setting in every scene. Can't believe it's only 6 minutes long even though there's so much information packed in.
To be honest, your channel deserves more subscribers. Great work 👍👍
13th and 14th gen intel have microcode issues and oxidation problems.. They degrade fast and get hot and self destruct eventually.. Change to 10-12th gen or go amd. Problem solved.
Great vid! I love how you explain stuff in a way that is easy to understand. These new thermal pads sound pretty cool. I wish CPU manufacturers or cooler manufacturers would include them.
Considering how much each individual component of a computer system costs by itself, $30 for a graphene pad that provided that big of an improvement is a heck of a great deal. So, I wouldn't get too hung up on the price. Even if the price was twice as much, it seems to be worth it.
Also, your English is good now and it will get better over time. The plus side is you're bilingual. Not many people have that advantage.
Yes, they are worth their price, and considering the hustle of the thermal paste, you get something MUCH cleaner and practical... But the price is worth talking about by the factor that a better CPU fan may cost that price different and might be more of an upgrade. But for me, it's worth every penny.
Thank you very much for your kind words, you helped me a lot, it gives me motivation to keep grinding and get better. By the way, english is my 3rd lenguage, I love to get better at it because the other 2 (Spanish and Catalan) are native, so having a 3rd one with that much of a broader audience gives me a lot of reasons to practice and improve.
Again, thank you very much!
Amazing video - some great shots and really interesting results too!
Thank you very much!
You all ITX fans, I went BIG with Fractal Torrent and a Noctua NH-D15s and never looked back at tiny guilds again haha
finally, another chinese mobo user!! i found my content :D subbed!
Just want to let you know that your English is great. Great video and keep it up.
Man, the video was so well made that I honestly thought I was watching some youtuber with several hundred thousand subscribers, so I did a double take when I noticed you're sitting at just 127 right now. Well, you earned another one, so keep doing what you do and stay awesome!
ptm7950, bro, no need to put crazy carbon sheets. They use almost the same pads on Lenovo laptops
Good video, hermano. Greetings from Brazil!
Hey, thank you very much! Un saludo! :D
Try out ptm 7950
Make sure u use it LONG TERM it needs to melt before it starts to conduct heat well.
really great video, great quality and i haven't even considered these yet so was nice to see.
Glad you liked it! I hope to be able to keep posting and be better at it. I appreciate your comment a lot!!! Thank you very much :D
I have a better solution than these pads or pastes. Try AMD its just works.
If you find this good you have to try a PTM7950 Thermal Pad ;)
And here I'm paranoid that my cpu is reaching 50c and looking for how to decrease it.
If you ask me, with all those money spent on the graphene and all Grizly overpriced products, I would got a desktop CPU and maybe an AIO
The biggest issue with your rig is that IHS.. to much thermal resistance..
I got 50°C on my 11700K @ 100W using Arctic Cooling MX5 TIM.. with a custom loop.. but..
Another thing to mention: best practice when comparing temperatures between coolers, fans, thermal interface material or other things is to make it at the same TDP
Claiming 30C ∆ but at different TDPs is misleading.. BIG TIME !! ✌✌
111 comments and only 154 subs? Lets change it!
I have an Erying board with the vapor chamber because is M atx, and I bought it instead because of the thermal throttling problem on itx. I don't have thermal problems and my processor run full speed at 68w but I'm curious to try this special pads.
Btw... Is there a good contact between the cpu and IHS? Isn't too thin? I'm afraid of this.
Ps have u tried undervolting? Erying motherboards push a lot on the core. Try at least a -100mv on the core, and -50mV on the cache. You will be surprised ;)
have you tried a different cooler??? that r23 score seems awfully low for such a large heatsink. Maybe you have the fans turned down to be silent? My 12800hx laptop averages 22k in r23 but with CRAZY loud fan noise.
you lowered the TDP....
A lil' bit expensive but the results are here !
Not really. I mean, he lowered the TDP and good paste will be very similar (likely better) than the pads. The huge benefit those pads have is that they dont degrade / dry out, so they will last indefinitely, as long as you dont remove the heatsink. The pads are very good tho, but nowhere near tens of degrees, more like same or a degree or two better at best, and may be worse if you use really good paste. I'd still go for pads. Just not for misleading reasons like -30°C
@@Yamyatos It's true that some thermal pastes are as expensive, or even more expensive sometimes.
Ok, so it’s both practical and effective, thank you for the details!
@@Yamyatos Yeah, he's being very misleading in this video. I did some research and he's basically the only one claiming such huge results, everyone else says they're the same or slightly worse than good thermal paste.
Hi there,
My processor measures 40x40mm and they only sell a 38x38mm pad. Do you think this is right or do you need to adjust or go slightly beyond the 40x40?
Best combo would be TG Shield and TG Conductonaut.
Question would be is how long do these graphene thermal pads last, like will they degrade and eventually lead to increasing temperatures overtime?
I talk about that at the end, in theory they don't degrade, and according to the brand manual you can change them every 3 years. Anyway I'll try to do a follow up after some time to check everything. Thank you for your comment!
Can't you upgrade to an AIO? like a single fan
No point, heatsink and fans perform very close to AIOs anyways and last way longer, AIOs have a way shorter warranty because manufacturers know they develop problems down the line.
Production value on point
It's conductive so it's a no go for me
Bin the crap intel cpu and get a 7800x3d / 9800x3d and have better performance and half the heat
We used to buy 120 watt light bulb now its being replace with 10 watt LED. Why not PCs do the same? Electricity isn't cheap in the USA. I pay 300 USD a month on electricity with out the ac. lol
I gave up going for higher performance. Im ok with 35 watt CPUs plus there isnt much difference I always use low settings even with the RTX 4070 for competitive there isn't much games that are GOOD that uses a lot of CPU. I cant wait for 15 watts and that is close to level Apple and Qualcomm. x86 companies needs to focus on performance with lower power draw.
Because you need the same amount of light to light a room 20 years ago and today. In PCs the deamand for performance is rising. Chips are becoming more efficient, but at the same rate applications and games are becoming more demanding. So if you can make a 10w cpu that performs the same as a 100w cpu from 10 years ago, you can also make a 100w cpu that performs 10x better than a 100w cpu from 10 years ago (just an example). Hardware drives software an vice versa. When there is performance, games make use of it. And there are many games that use a good amount of cpu.
The thing with x86 vs ARM is: upscaling. It does not go linear (like in my example above). Low wattage chips will always be more efficient in terms of performance/watt. You can also see this in x86. There is no huge difference when running a ryzen at its 170w vs. eco mode with only 105w. So once apples or qualcomms chips hit the same performance levels as highend intel or amd chips - then its a fair comparison.
But i agree with you, rather than just pushing the limit we should focus on efficency and try to optimize software first.
Excelentisimo video hermano, que calidad, diosmio parecia que veia una obra cinematográfica, el inglés muy bien, veo videos en ingles y español y uff solo un poco de pronunciación pero nada nada mal. Me he suscrito, me encantó tu producción y contenido.
All that information could have fit easy in one minute.
I did get bored and tried to jump at the interesting part of it but missed it obviously.
Man just show standard paste againsted graphin (and point out there is two diff. graphin pads) and only clean one and I mean ONLY once the paste for show (max!!) and compare.
F* 1 min. TOP!!!
Dont get it why everyone needs to get his life story been delivered. LOVE just facts. Saves nervs and time and get a like from me and maybe a sub.
Probably took u a lot of time to make this video! Well done
I have a similar case and was a bit sceptical about it due to where I live 🇰🇪 being quite hot around the beaches
Case Fractal Terra -Silver
GPU Zotac RTX 3070
CPU Intel i5 -12600K
PSU 650w SFX Gold
SSD 1TB Samsung 970 Evo
Motherboard Gigabyte B760i
RAM DDR5 32GB
Cooler ID-Cooling IS-55
Thank you for this
Wow! Kenya? How amazing is internet, love to see that. At the end it reduces temperatures by 10-20%, depending on each case/cpu fan. I think on your computer probably would be the same as mine, as I'm in Spain and it's also quite hot in summertime.
Thank you!
why bother then? just get a dual chamber aquarium case like everyone else LOL
Nah, there's something with ITX, minimalism, simple, and ergonomics. Those big towers are too big for me, I have been using a Lian Li o11 for years, but got tired of it.
am I hearing
" DO NOT REDEEM IT "
accent?
No, I'm spanish, not Hindi/pakistaní
good video bro, you will reach 100k subs in no time.
I would prefer bigger cooler. You know tower one.
OFC, but I like the mini ITX form factor.
@@BenTech-US deal with heating issies
Excelente vídeo bro la calidad de edicion es super profesional la verdad nunca habia visto ninguno de tus videos pero ya tienes nuevo suscriptor! Pregunta.. tengo ese mismo case y como sabes estamos limitados a coolers low profile, crees que reemplazando mi pasta termica por uno de esos pads pero sin hacer lo del IHS mejore mis temperaturas?
Muchas gracias! Pues sin duda notarás una mejora, pero seguramente sera menor a lo que puedes conseguir haciendo lo mismo con el IHS. Un saludo!
it's HK bro laptop cpu...
intel run 90c idle LOL GL
your cpu will die soon
No, that's a 13900HK with no high voltage profile
por qué no colocarle un AIO o refrigeración líquida custom?. buen video y cortito bien explicado y demostrado cómo los que hace optimum lo cual me es muy útil para entender y hacerme llegar el mensaje. soy nueva y me acabo de suscribir. ya había visto unos videos anteriores en todo caso. ¿entonces puedo colocarle un thermal pad de grafeno a mi 5700X3D (futuro 7800X3D) con un Cooler Master Hyper 212 Turbo LED White y despreocuparme? ya que en caso de algo siempre es una molestia poner pasta térmica y conseguirla sobretodo cuando no hay dinero para eso.
Porqué ese case no tiene espacio para un aio de liquido.
Because it's an sff PC
good video
Thank you!
A different CPU brand would be cheaper and colder
I don't think so, this CPU+MB was half the price of the original intel, it's an erying kit that costs only 300$ for CPU+MB.
He needs amd, intel is dogshit
It's a 115W chip...
what I don't get is that they aren't meant for re-use like in a new PC so does that mean removing the heat sink means you should replace them?
The graphite pad used between the CPU IHS and cooler is reusable, however it's extremely delicate so removing the cooler does present the possibility of tearing it. If it's still a fairly large chunk though, it will still perform, although maybe not as well as it did before as that depends on where your CPU die that is generating all the heat is. If the pad is still over the die, then it should still perform well.
As for the pad used between the CPU die and IHS, no comment since I haven't used it before, although you might be able to get more info on the thermalgrizzly website.
what about ltt thermal pad ? can you test it please
Haven't tested them, anyway maybe it's better to simply use a brand dedicated to this kind of thing, and not to pay more for a branded thermal pad of whoever knows what brand. Isn't that true? Thank you for your comment!
@@BenTech-US LTT is simply a reseller. The pads they sell are Honeywell PTM7950 Phase Change Material pads for industrial applications. LTT only sells it because it's nearly impossible to buy from the original source. I highly recommend it. Keep in mind that the best thermal performance will only come after many sessions of extended heat and cooling, as the phase change material will soak into the heatsink with every session and get better.
@@Snowowowie
Have anyone even got a phase-changing material that didn't perform similarily?
I'm 100% sure there's a ton of other PTMs but I wouldn't guess they're bad, - not sure if LTT can get it's hands on genuine supplier from Honeywell either, but I trust them a little more than Aliexpress for sure.
But I think even middle-of the pack OEM PTMs perform around as well as best pastes, with the upside of much lower maintenance.
@@BenTech-US
How long ago has you changed the paste?
Sorry if I hadn't paid attention but I wonder if it isn't the case of the paste degrading a bit.
Wow! amazing info to gather, I'll try to do a follow up on that LTT, or at least try on my own. The thermal paste has been on the computer for 4 weeks at least, it was brand new, it's just my new build, so not enough time for it to degrade...
simply undervolt your cpu and gpu so you can use the cheapest thermalpaste :D
Bro with the new update can’t undervolt cpu 😢
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Yes it does.
Pretty sure this is a scam😂
Bro can you test simple aluminum foil as a thermal pad? 0.02mm thiknes
Or better copper foil if you can find it.
Pretty sure you will get the same results😂
Why would I scam someone? I bought them just to try everything, since a friend of mine recommended this for me. The most probable thing, is that the CPU stock IHS thermal paste was absolut trash, so then with a little upgrade, the difference is BIG.
Maybe you should watch some videos from derbauer, the guy behind thermal grizzly...
Those are graphene pads from Thermal Grizzly. Do your research, idiot