Even if you have to pay $1000, a PC offers so much more in the form of what you can use it for, longevity, uprade-ability, repair-ability, no online play subscription, more games, emulators, the option for an optical drive for only $20, and so much more that it's worth the extra $300
$1,000 is a low point to build something LIKE the ps5 (pro). The reality is games will be more optimized for console than for pc. Also the repair part is bullcrap for both, pc components AND consoles last for years even without proper maintenance/cleaning. The benefits of pc over console are the library of games and emulators. Most people only need a $200 laptop for their daily lives that's the reality. Also pc parts are MUCH more expensive outside the US
I built my first budget gaming PC years ago using one of your videos as a guide. Only spent 580 bucks. Was the best decision i ever made, made me confident in building pcs and was able to upgrade parts over time, now i have a 6950xt / 5800x3d build that does anything i need. Thanks jay
@pbj315 I know man, I get hate all the time for having amd parts but I just don't get it. It can play anything maxed out at 1440p, that's all I need lol
In EU the pro even cost 200 dollars more than US which means over 1000 dollars if you want the stand and disc drive. Thats when building a PC starts making more sense
The $700 is a bit misleading for people in the EU since the €800 price includes all taxes (I'm assuming it's not a pre-VAT price). Assuming a rough average sales tax the US one is $750 or roughly €680, so that makes it roughly $130 more than the US price. Looks like the UK's price is roughly $160 more.
@@Frankon81 So you mean to tell me that all EU countries should be paying the same amount of tax on the PS5 Pro but in the US you get special treatment based on which state you live in? Why would they announce EU prices with tax and US prices without tax?
@@ByTexify culture thing. In Europe (and rest of the world) we like to know that the price we see is final price. What we see is what we pay. In states they have multiple taxes that are put on the product - from like town tax up to the state tax -that sometimes are totally random....
@@haocongkevinzhu1451 depends on where you go and what brand and whats on sale got a nvme saberant rocket 1tb for 50 on newegg and i see cruitical on sale for around 50-60 from time to time
Yeah but you don't get the actual game on a PS5 disc, you're just buying physical DRM. Every disc game I own just ends up downloading most of the game anyway. There's 0 preservation on PS5.
@@razingst0rmeven though you need to download the game off the license on the disc, you still need to have the disc to play I believe(unless they changed it) which means it’s still a “physical copy” and has some sort of resale value.
@@razingst0rm Demonstrably false. I live in an area without high speed internet. I am able to install large games (50+ GB) directly from the disc with no internet connection in about 10 minutes. There are usually patches after the installion if you want them, most of which are in the 1-5 GB range, but the complete games (v1.0) are on the disc.
@@CMDR_MetalMadness But what I said is true. The game IS on the disc, otherwise I couldn't install and play it without an internet connection. Your claim that it's not on the disc has been debunked. Personally, I don't buy any games that require an internet connection. The live service game model is inherently anti-consumer. It is designed to maximize corporate profit, while giving players as little as possible. I also don't trust Sony to not delist and/or remove digital games whenever they feel like it, or charge whatever they want because they have a monopoly on digital games, as there are no other digital options on their console. Sony is getting sued in the UK for that monopolistic business practice right now. Physical media gives you options, and having options never goes out of style. Fail to learn this at your own peril.
dumbest analogy EVER a PC is a supercar if you got money you dont have to build it yourself PLUS SERVICE IS CHEAPER a console is a kia that if it breaks ITS NOT WORTH THE FIXING
8K is already a thing, just games, computers, and consoles can't process it fast enough to be used, TV's / movies can. And unless you're super budget, basically every TV/Console/PC already support HDR/UHDR, and Ray Tracing is rapidly approaching being right there beside it. 8K is pretty pointless though, and if anything doesn't need to be developed any further, but tech/tv manufacturers *have* to, because if they don't once they make 8k UHDR OLed etc etc panels, and they all become so affordable people have them and aren't upgrading to the latest and greats yearly they will go out of business. So because of that Display tech will continue to be so far ahead nothing can fully utilize it, if someone bought an 8K + extras today, that display would be beyond usable spec for atleast 10 years.
Native 8k at 60fps will be talked about when the 6090 comes out. So we are less than 3 years away probably from a fully capable 8k60 GPU...The real issue with 8k is that Samsung is the only manufacture releasing 8k tv's, and they are not lowering the MRSP each year.. As long as they are the only ones releasing a yearly 8k tv, adoption rate is going to move at a snails pace
As someone who already owns a Series X and a PS5 and uses both on a 1440p monitor, I can confidently say this is most likely my final console generation and I'll be a strictly PC gamer after this current generation.
@@antftwx I'm the opposite. After dropping 1500 CAD on just a GPU and probably a other 2k on the rest of parts I don't think I'll get another PC. At least not from scratch. I'll go as far as am4 can take me. Hopefully by then my kids are town and can buy their own PC or have moved out.
Same here, though I'm not sure there will be another console generation, considering they are doing away with exclusives. By the time the current generation approaches the end of it's lifecycle, they will be facing stiff competition from mini PCs, handheld PCs and Steam OS, which Valve seems totally willing to share with any handheld manufacturer. Also, by then, I expect pretty much everything will be able to run on Steam OS.
@@neofloggin3687 to blur it more if you don't mind getting used parts then its actually cheaper to build a similar system with better performance and pc has more versitily and no extra subscription
I'm generally a console person, and well, a console rarely, if at all, will do something a PC cannot do. The appeal of the console is you can plug it in and be done.
I’m a console guy myself, but I’m afraid I will need to disagree with you here. You don’t need to build a gaming PC, you can buy them ready made very easily if you’re a ‘plug and play’ kinda person. As well, there’s quite a bit more a PC can do that a console cannot. Consoles are fine if you are only interested in gaming and streaming, but a gaming PC can double as your work station at home. You can write documents, browse the web, and if you’re into graphic designing it’s already set up to run whatever you’ll need. I’ve always been a console guy but I must admit, with the easier accessibility to mods and the promise of doubling as a work station, I’m nearly ready to jump ship 👀
@lukefregona7973 even with an already made pc, it's not just plug and play. Still need to check drivers, download the game, tinker with the graphics settings, etc. Though i never said build your own pc. Outside of that, we are saying the same thing: Very rarely, will a console do something a pc cannot do.
The other thing that people often forget is you can hook up your PS or Xbox controller to your PC and play your games like that for a LOT of titles and you can have your casual gaming experience like on your console.
My PC auto boots into big picture. So it's very close to console. Let's be real, console are also closer to PC now. Gone are the days when you can just put disk in and play. Unless you ok with you console to be on standby, you have to sit through updates too.
Best of both worlds for me. Some games I prefer a controller. Others work better on keyboard and mouse. Whatever the case may be, I'm covered with my PC.
I claim "pc master race" but i strictly only use an xbox controller when i play games lol. I simply suck when using a keyboard and mouse even though i have decent gaming Corsair board and Logitech mouse.. I simply prefer controller and rly wish more if not ALL games had controller support!
Basically he's saying "hop on google on whatever device you can & do your own research before spewing out nonsense on what you want to happen rather than what is fact." Yes PC will probably always trump console in overall performance but console will probably always trump PC in convenience & ease. If you have the patience to learn, buy a PC, but if you just want to game buy a console.
@@xtremezone987 Well I'd argue, not really. Game launchers like Steam make installing games very easy and on consoles web browser and media watching are soooooooooo much worse than on PC and you're locked to whatever garbage media player they provide that doesn't ever support proprietary codecs.
@@acidthefurry6684problem is you have to actually install steam os. The people that want the plug and play functionality of a console probably don’t want to do any of the extra stuff. Configuring hardware, finding a better os, drivers, the whole suite. I’m a tech guy, in my day job I’m a software engineer, so I have no issue navigating a pc, but sometimes if there’s a hiccup, I’m just gonna turn off my pc and play my ps5 simply because I don’t want to deal with it. I can imagine someone that has no tech knowledge may have less tolerance for pc than myself.
I mean, specifically people are pissed that the price point went to $700 USD, and while there is a performance uplift (they didn't show it well), the main issue is that is 200 bucks more, with no disc drive included, and no vertical stand (which is whatever to me, but people did bring it up as a pain point). If people are spending that much (especially if they don't have really good internet), a disc drive is 100% a must.
Yeah the reason I have no interest in the ps5 pro is simply that the disc drive is a forced extra. No thanks. I actually use my ps5 as my blu ray player, and I like buying physical game copies on console often times, I need that disc drive. Paying 775 dollars just to get like 60fps ray tracing in some games... nah if it is a graphically crazy game like cyberpunk I will just stick to pc for that.
Note that in presentation they cleverly hid that actually it isn't fidelity and performance at the same time. Remember when he said "with somethin almost like a fidelity look" implying that you may not complete fidelity on 60 fps on pro.
Ok but what do I do with my PS4 games that I've already collected? How much will it cost me to build a library of quality PC games? I feel like if you've already invested in console games (physical and digital), it's hard to ever cross over to PC without spending a significant amount of money, PLUS accepting the perceived loss of not being able to play the console games you've already bought.
So stick with the console then. As long as the newest console is getting at least 60fps your not missing out on much performance wise. Most people just want to play the fuckin game, and that's what consoles do.
Keep your old PS4 to go back to from time to time, play those older titles you cannot part with… There is nothing wrong with it. And for the pc… on Steam and other platforms you can cheaply scoop up any old titles you do want to play on a newer system for a few bucks. . For PC I bought Horizon Zero Dawn and God of War each for around 7 euro each. There are many other great older titles you can find for even less. But just buy what you actually are going to play on a new system.
6800 is not the PS5 gpu lol also you get 2 free games a month maybe 3 IDK. Inflation caused EVERYTHING to go up since the PS5 launched 4 years ago. people complain then buy a 4090 for $1750
I think the PS5 pro will sell, because people with $700 would rather feel like they got the nicest possible PlayStation rather than a low-end PC. It’s about perceived value and fomo.
Oliver at Digital Foundry said its PC power in the living room and the Tech in the Pro won’t be available in the PC market for a minimum of 2 years. If you want high fidelity and a smooth 60FPS the pro is worth it. Again That’s digital foundry hands on with 11 games.
@@chrispatsox Then Oliver at Digital Foundry is not a very smart fellow. If indeed it is "PC power in the living room", let him show us how to FTP-upload a file to our hosted webspace, create a spreadsheet, and run some OS on a VM, with a PS5 Pro. It's a toy, the only thing you can do with it is play video games. And as for "tech won't be available in the PC market for two years"... LOL.
@@chrispatsoxnooooo!! All you need are 4 sticks, two acorns, two wires from a junkyard, an old soup can and connect it to a windows 95 machine to blow any console away.
@@Gaius__ Oliver at digital foundry actually played the PS5 pro. Games run much better on consoles than PCs that have much higher specs. Your toy comment displays that you can't look at this objectively. You need therapy
Disclaimer: I am a PC player and long ago abandoned consoles (PS2 maybe? lol). I have long said and continue to argue that PCs are better for gaming in almost every way - even if you want to game on your nice TV from your couch with a controller. However, there is something console players get that PC users will never get - optimization. Because a console is locked down with proprietary software and even some of the hardware, every console should behave the same way every time. Yes, obviously there are outliers just like there are with literally everything, but in general that PS5 sitting on Jay's desk should behave the same as any other PS5 in anyone else's house. Because of this, games released on consoles can be ultra optimized by the devs all the way down to the most miniscule of tweaks in an attempt to squeeze the most performance or the best looking visuals on potentially lesser hardware - and it should be rather consistent from machine to machine. This is why a lot of console gamers believe they're getting the better deal because they didn't have to do anything other than plug it in, and turn it on Look, we ALL know more than one person in our lives that we just wish DIDN'T have a computer because they're so tech-illiterate that they're always asking for help. Do you want THAT person gaming on a custom gaming PC? Absolutely NOT. There's also just something to be said for the ease of use and convenience of a console - and for some people that's worth it even if they know they could be getting more with a PC Anyway there's something for everyone, and I truly believe that the argument of "which is better" is literally the stupidest argument ever because they just aren't made for the same people for the same purpose TY for coming to my TeD TaLk
its like the iPhones vs android comparison, all iPhones run on the same software and basically hardware, so that means that optimizing for all iPhones will be easier, unlike android, where each android phone is completely different
Well said. Good balance of pros and cons and pointing out the whole different strokes for different folks thing. I am also a PC gamer, (5900x & 3080) and love the high quality visuals and FPS I get @3440x1440. I'm still going to be buying a PS5 Pro. Why? As you said, optimization and plug'n'play. A benefit you left out are the few exclusive games (if you care about the exclusives, which, yes, I do). There are also some game publishers (Looking at you Ubisoft and EA) that have launchers and unoptimized/laggy games with Jedi Survivor being a perfect example of unoptimized/laggy a year and change after release, when my pc should have a smooth high FPS experience. On PS5, I've heard it plays a lot better, and bonus, doesn't have the stupid launchers. Also, I will be buying the UHD-bluray player for 4k movie night which is something my pc CANNOT do since I can't find a 4kBluRay player for PC (that reads 4k movies, ask my UHD-bluray read/writer for my PC on the difference *exasperated sigh*). FInal reason for buying the PS5 Pro, I have an OG PS4 with a ton of games for it (some on discs) which will benefit from the PS5 Pro's backwards compatability and uplift in visuals/performance. Disclaimer: If I already owned a PS5, I wouldn't buy the PS5 Pro, just like I didn't buy the PS4 pro because I have an OG PS4.
With a PC, you just brute force your way through the bad optimisations, I dropped consoles when they stopped making real mod chips for them, PS2 and OG XBOX if I remember, I much prefer to own my hardware and do what ever I like with it, versus this locked down eco system of consoles today, even if I have to pay twice as much for it, a powerful PC doesn't just play games, it has a crap ton of other uses, so much better investment in my opinion, I run a HTPC with Bazzite on there and it turns my TV into giant Steamdeck, very console like experience.
And the fact that for a casual AAA gamer or for kids console is just better, can't beat the ease of use and price in those scenarios. But the Pro is still overpriced, even if it's better value for the hardware.
@@bfhandsomeface409 Lol that could actually be kind of legit. Or a freebie leftover case with super old hardware in it. There's bagillions of old dells and Hps out there that people would throw in the trash when they get around to cleaning. I used a custom case from like 2000 for my first pc and all ebay used parts, worked for years.
@@WadeRavenWattsNeeded help with my GPU OC and did this exactly as you said and now Jay is living in my basement and over clocking all my electronics and appliances and refuses to leave .
The reason they said “67%” instead of “60 CUs” is because to 99.999% of people on the planet, “60 CUs” means absolutely nothing. They won’t have a clue how many CUs the PS5 has, or even what that means (“is that like 4K or something?”) But 67%… well, that’s clearly a more biggerer, betterer, more impressive number! You will obviously get 67% more graphics! (This is still a rip off, just explaining how marketing droids think)
I love marketing, its an entire industry where your job is to sell things to people that are the furthest removed from the item your pitching xD Your not selling ice to an eskimo your selling ice to a camel...
That's because the way they explained it in the reveal was very disingenuous, it is actually a change in architecture, the PS5 Pro is using a RDNA 3 Navi 32 Chip because it has a better upscaling performance. But even still it only barely breaks even with the Xbox's RDNA 2 Navi 21 chip
Of course it’s disingenuous. That’s by design. The entire gaming hardware industry is designed to confuse consumers. You think the average punter on the street understands that 4060 is worse than a 3080? And surely a 6700 is better than both, right? I pay attention to this shit and even I couldn’t tell you if an Xbox series X or S is better (partly cos I don’t care).
Its over $1000 just adding 3 years of PSN ($80/year) any PS5 Pro owner will pay throughout ownership. Its part of consoke ownership and should absolutely be included in the price comparison.
I think its worth mentioning you can install and use windows for free, un-activated of course. But it will function fine, without certain customizability.
that's not the same as a PS5 Pro. You buy a PS5 Pro, turn it on, and there's no watermark. For a test to be the same, you can't use un-activated Windows.
@@speedforce131 who gives a crap the watermark is tiny at the bottom right part of the screen. Also you can easily activate it using AutoKMS in like 1 minute
The comparison is just to dumb to be honest. Most people buy a console to play games on their TV. Edit: Couch gaming on PC is trash, try before commenting you can do ii.
You don't have to pay PS+ monthly. I do it because they offer a ton of games. Granted, I think they missed the mark this month, not my taste. Sure, free Day 1 Plucky Squire and free Day 1 Harry Potter whatever that broom sport game is, idgaf about. Other months were much better in my taste.
I built a PC with a B450 motherboard paired with a Ryzen 5 2600 back in 2019! Super cheap build with an HDD! Last year I threw in a Gen4 m.2 SSD and a Ryzen 5 5600 and that upgrade cost me less than 200€! The amount of performance upgrade I got is crazy! Now saving for a 400-500€ GPU and that will give me 60fps gaming on 1440p for the next few years! By the time it will be outdated, it will be a 10 year old motherboard! AM4 is(was) an unbelievable foundation to build a PC!
The major upsell of a pc is the freedom to mod games, the freedom to add any controller, headset, steering wheel, flight stick, ext to the pc without proprietary headaches and locked out features…case n point, the psvr2 is only compatible with the ps5…yet i would love to also use it on my flight sims on my pc with my 3080gpu but I play mostly GT7 on ps with my wheel but I can’t uses top line wheel tech that is more budget friendly bc it’s only working on pc do to proprietary ps5 comms
Consoles also are generally sold at a loss or close to it since they are subsidized by game sales. The PS5 pro not having some other selling point makes the $700 price tag not as bearable. For example, the PS3 being a $600 bluray player ON TOP OF being a console at a time when bluray players alone were $1,000 was it's selling point and I've heard that they actually cost Sony $1k to make. Of course bluray was Sony's format and it won, so they've made WAAAY more back.
@@ThisisCitrus had it horizontal since 2020 with no overheating. They wouldn't make it an option if it didn't work. In fact I've heard more issues with the liquid metal leaking out vertical than horizontal
Remember, you HAVE to compare this to the PS5 digital (which is $399), because the PS5 Pro does not have the disc drive. It's actually $780 if you want to compare it to the $499 disc version. Thus, it's $280-300 more expensive. It's not $200 more.
Still a dick move my Sony for locking people's physical libraries behind an $80 paywall in the form of the separately sold Blu-ray drive. We all know Sony wants people locked in their digital library where everything is non-transferable and can be revoked at any time. Mark my words: the PS6 will get rid of the Blu-ray drive and force digital-only. You will own nothing and be happy.
@@Tanook Bruh how is that wrong? It's objectively true that the PS5 Pro does not include the disc drive and has to be purchased separately, making it cost $780 (+$30 for the stand, but most don't have their console vertical)
@@TheRealEclipse1 I think there is actually one game that runs at 8k then downscales to 4k on the ps5. Its called The Touryst. But yeah thats literally it.
I disagree SM2 is kinda of an outlier on CPU usage, there's very few games that hit it that hard. Even so, I am away from my main PC but was impressed to be able to get over 60fps playing SM2 on my old 8700k/2080ti with DLSS performance, high settings @ 1440p (CachyOS) no overclock just XMP. If an 8700k can run it, a 12600k should rinse it with an extra 4 E cores and higher turbo/cache.
@@pvg103103 I think in that way too is just a sinple OC but them I realize that the gddr6 vram is faster too and this will give another boost in cpu performance. Something like a zen2 3700x stock with 3000mhz ram to OC 3700x with 3800mhz ram.
It’s definitely a different value proposition but I personally can’t see a scenario where I’d go back to console. I have over a decade of purchases on Steam/GOG/Epic/Whatever else and I don’t have to have 5 different boxes plugged into a tv to play them lol
The PS5 Pro costs $1,200 AUD without the disk drive or plastic stand, AND before taxes. Not to even mention the monthly subscription fee for online play. That's a lot of money, regardless.
The whole disc drive thing baffles me, who fits a disc drive to a pc? Nobody why are people crying about it not having a disc drive? I have a ps5 with a disc drive but only because it was the only one I could get near launch when they were near impossible to get and the only disc I ever used was GTA5 PS4 disc but then they brought out a ps5 update for it so it's never been used in like 2 years
@@SheepAmongG.O.A.T actually not if you play your games on steam there is a special menu where you can control all the menu of steam by your controller, and im sure if you are wise enough you can even make it work as a mouse in windows.
@@SheepAmongG.O.A.TAll you have to do is connect the PC to the living room tv and keep a wireless keyboard and mouse on the table. That's it. If you want you can use steam in big picture mode to make it more console-like.
@@PorMisLatinos89 Big Screen mode sure but you still need a keyboard and mouse to start it. Anyone who's taking it that far to control everything with the controller, which I have no doubt you can, probably really just needs a console. I have another PC hooked to my TV (as well as my XSX) and just use a wireless K&M. Good enough to start games then it's time to lean back.
@@formless_dev Did you not read what I said. When I say not everyone wants to run their PC (especially if its their only PC) from the couch, I didn't just mean to game. There are a lot of other things to do on a PC. I have a PC hooked to my TV and do exactly that, but it's not my primary PC and the TV is pretty close to the couch so I'll do some 'PC' stuff there. If there was any distance....yeah hell no.
What's the deal with the negativism against console players here? Doesn't put you in a good light. I love my PC, but I also like my PS5. I got it for 399€ at release, it was impossible to get a comparable PC at that time. Also, I use it as a multimedia platform for my TV and like playing couch coop with my gf. ... the way you're talking about 'console fanboys' is weird. You don't have to be a fanboy to just enjoy both consoles and PCs for individual reasons.
Add 300 and i just build a beast that will work for 8years easy for my wife 7600x cpu and a used 6900xt gpu and 32gb ram and 2tb storage in m.2 form factor.
A $700 budget is not what people on a budget usually have to spend on a PC. A budget build is usually around the $300-$500 range, and yes, that gives you a subpar gaming PC, but that's the point, as long as it works it's good to go.
Don't speak for all people.... I like both but I mainly play on console more only because of is the PS5 controller 🎮 I'm so use to the Playstation style controller... I have to sacrifice that when using PC.
I put together a list of parts for 838 euros, which includes a ryzen 5 5600, 16gb ram, 1tb ssd, 650 watt psu, and a 7800xt, just for the sake of doing it. the PS5 pro is SO much more expensive than it's worth!
The PS5 Pro will have better performance than that build, especially in RT because of having RDNA 4 features (that's why they claim up to 3x RT performance over the base PS5). Not to mention it won't have issues with shader compilation stutter etc.. because it has everything pre-compiled as a fixed platform device and programmed straight to the metal without having to go through DX12. The last consoles I owned were PS3/Xbox 360, so don't think I'm just a console fanboy or something.
That build is not a small form factor and does not have WiFi 7, BT v5.4, a 2 TB NVME PCIe 5.0 (the fastest in the market), a wireless game controller, and PSSR.
I also put something together quickly and came up with 839.59€ (PS5 Pro 799.99€ with stand 829.98€): AMD 3700X, ZEN2 8core like PS5 Pro 7800XT, RDNA3 60cu like PS5 Pro graphics memory 16 GB 256 Bit GDDR6 624GB/s, ps5 pro 16GB 256 Bit GDDR6 576 GB/s (shared with CPU) 16Gb DDR4 ram 2tb ssd 7400MB/s read, 34% faster than the 5500MB/s of the PS5 (I didn't find any speed for the pro) 500W power supply Wi-fi7 like PS5 pro BT5.3, PS5 pro BT5.4 wireless game controller if you add a Blury burner it becomes 903,64€ (PS5 Pro with Blury drive 919,98€, PS5 Pro with Blury drive and stand 949,99€) I realize that nobody in their right mind would configure a PC like this. and yes, PSSR is not included. if AI upscaling is important to you, you'll go for NVIDA on the PC, but that would mean having a graphics card that is less comparable to the PS5 Pro. and yes, the PC is also larger 28.70l vs PS5 10.5l. but if you are willing to spend about 200€ more, you can also get the PC in 7.5l. (shared with CPU)
not a controller, keyboard and mouse, come to my country i will buy it for u, for just 10-15dollars for both, OS is free, and HDMI cable cost 5-10dollars only thats 30$ dollars extra and if u want debate thats its extra, the casing is pretty expensive cause its western world, u can build this PC easily in 20-30dollar casing thats saves u dollars also, and yes u can not only play games, there are bunch of different stuff u can do on ur Pc, i mean wht can u not do lol. everything
I think the biggest positive for PC is the fact you can play pretty much any PC game in existence with a PC. You can also play the majority of console games on the same PC up to 360/ps4. You can also upgrade that system at any time and do not have to buy a whole new system every 3-5 years.
Jay, you're better than this. This is a completely pointless and misleading video. Using bundles that a significant number of people won't have access to (with an asterisk!), a GPU that you forget to mention is refurbished, and conveniently don't include any way to control the system in your budget. Imagine if a console didn't get 'bundled' with a controller! Look, I game on PC, Series X and PS5, but trying to mislead the PC community into believing that you can create a build close to the PS5 Pro for the same money is deluded. Yes, a PC is a far more capable platform for many things, but we have to accept that if you want access to the latest games on a budget, it simply cannot compete with consoles as a value proposition. Anyone trying to tell themselves otherwise is misguided. I would have been genuinely interested in a fair comparison, but this is ridiculous.
Thanks for the summary, I wasn't taking the video seriously, not cause it was wrong. Just don't really see building a PC being cheap. At least not a high performing one. 4K gaming is just expensive, and even then I still notice that it's not perfect on PC.
@@thatonefoofrumlongbethe PS5 pro can't game at 4k. You are gaming at 1080p upsacle to 4k 60. The majority of PC users are on 1080p and 1440p. Those with a 7900xtx and 4090 that is a different story.
Here's an on budget and a more like for like build. Only from Part Picker: CPU: R5 Ryzen 3600 - $89.99 Cooler: Stock Fan - $0 MB: Asus Prime B450-A II - $69.98 RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw V 16GB DDR4 3200 CL16 - $32.98 SSD: Teamgroup MP33 2TB NVMe SSD - $96.99 GPU: Acer Nitro OC RX 7700XT - $379.99 Case: Cool Master Master Box Q300L - $39.99 PSU: ThermalTake Smart 600 80+ 600W PSU - $40.99 Total Cost: $750.92 However, I personally would upgrade most of the parts if I was building a PC in this region. I wouldn't class any of the parts as being great or reliable. This was just to show that you can get extremely close to the PS5 Pro's price, specs and performance. If at the expense of sacrificing some RT performance and build quality. In fact you probably could hit that $700, if you went even cheaper on lesser branded parts, looked around in sales, picked up a combo deal from MicroCenter or obviously bought some used parts.
@@promo130 Then 2 other options: Option 1: Change it for Gigabyte B550 M K and pay $4 more. Yeah, it gives you PCIe 4.0, which allows you to eventually upgrade it with a faster SSD and faster RAM. However, you lose out on 2 Ram slots, it's onboard VRM's are terrible and it's general build quality is poor in comparison (Did breifly consider it). Option 2: Is to buy a low-end B550M motherboard by ASUS or MSI for around $20-$50 more, instead. However, that then defeats the entire purpose of trying to keep it as close to the price of the PS5 Pro, as possible. Also, a B450 motherboard is more than adequate for the rest of the components that I listed. It's also more than adequate to be used in a build that equals or beats a PS5 Pro. Sticking the parts that I used into a B550 motherboard instead, would barely make any impact at all to it's output performance. It would only open up a few more upgrade paths. I personally wouldn't cheap out on parts for a build that at equals or betters a PS5 Pro. However, it's $700 overall cost was a major constraint. So I went for as cheap as possible components, while still using well renown brands. In doing so, I also wavered away some possible upgrade paths. But let's face it, the PS5 Pro is still far more limited in that regard.
I mean that graphic card isnt equivalent to the ps5 pro either, this in fact prove your gonna have a bottom of the barrell pc to not even match the ps5 pro, according to steam the ps5 pro is probably gonna perform better than the vast majority of ppl on steam.
@brotherdarknessgaming4479 The ps5 pro has rdna 2 GPU with so slightly better raytracing at best you better off just building a pc around a 7700XT which will run you $900.
You can do it for even less than that if you go used. (And you really should consider it for any item besides the hard drive.) Highest priced item by far is gonna be getting a modern graphics card, though you can also get an older generation card and still do an awful lot with it. It also heavily depends on what games you want to play. If you don't care to play the latest bloated-ass AAA Unreal Engine 5 slop, you can get away with even more. Hell, you may even get away with using one of AMD's APUs depending on your use case.
@@JunLudenwhen it comes to console vs pc i have never seen that happen, the only times that it comes close is when you buy used parts ( unreliable), buy bundles like microcenter ( if you have access). And even then its never the same. Is the pc better than the ps5 if you have the same or better performance? Yes, but at the moment making a pc with the same perfomance of a ps5 is more expensive. The monthly subscription argument can be made but not everyone uses it. But we will only know the total when the ps5 dies.
@@gordo05057 I can easily build a PC just as powerful or even more powerful than the PS5 Pro, for the same price or less, without using any second-hand components. The problem is that when people think about building a new PC that's just as powerful, they only consider budgets with the latest components or expensive brands like Nvidia, even though the PS5 uses AMD architecture. It doesn't make sense to compare it with Nvidia builds, which cost much more just to get a similar experience
Actually you don't gain performance using GDDR on a CPU because of they way it is tuned/optimized for graphics which creates higher latencies when used with a CPU .... That's why you never see GDDR RAM sold by computer memory vendors ..... Believe me if they could just slap GDDR chips on a UDIMM and gain higher performance they would have done that long ago Another thing you got wrong is the PS5 Pro has AI cores and will use AI upscaling ( PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution) like DLSS or XeSS although we can't say yet if Sony's AI upscaler will be as good as DLSS .... Frankly I think this is actually AMD's AI upscaling co-developed with Sony and will eventually be FSR4 and AMD is simply holding it back from PC users so Sony would have first crack at it. The reason I believe that is the 7000 series GPUs have the same AI cores but they are not currently being used. I suspect they won't be used until the next gen AMD GPUs are released and then AMD will also release FSR4 which will be an AI upscaler like DLSS
26:57 or buy your card used off the bat if you're getting last gen stuff. I got a 3070 Ti for $270 last month. According to the chart earlier that's 98% equivalent to the ps5 pro plus it gives the advantages of nvidia cards for upscaling.
Well, for PSN's yearly subscription 80 bucks, you can get a mechanical keyboard and mouse or a 3 bucks cheap @$$ keyboard and mouse. What's more detrimental? Using a ps5 without a PSN subscription or using a pc with a 3 dollar mouse and keyboard(combined).
@@latinlegend1422 talk about missing the point entirely... 🤦♂ To do that, you would have to buy a PS5 or Xbox controller, which is included in the $700 price of the PS5 Pro, and isn't factored into the price of the PC that is built in this video. It makes the fuss made about the stand in this video seem a little ridiculous, beyond the omission of the controllers price not being factored in. That is not a $30 dollar give - its more like $100. Try getting to grips with basic comprehension before you start 'owning' people on the internet.
@@nerdrocker89You are not going to damage it, and you could also get a $10-15 stand from amazon. I really don't understand why people keep bringing up the stand when it never needed one, it was there on the first model because it was used for the horizontal position also, there's no need for that anymore.
@@Avenge_Computers Is that what they call it ?! .... 😆. I'm just saying it's funny how much things have changed, they use to take a loss of the systems ( according to what Jay is saying ) and that loss was made up for in game sales ( which wasn't $70 but more in the range of $20 - $60 depending the games ) and there wasn't any subscription fees or at least that I was aware of. Last time I had a console when new was back when PS3 came out.
@@promo130 They don't sell the base PS5 at a loss. That is crazy talk. The CPU probably costs them close to nothing, it's a 5 year old architecture that isn't even sold in stores anymore. All of the components are old and Sony probably gets them at dirt cheap prices in bulk.
A better comparison would be to see what you could do with a previous gen console equivalent, since one of the biggest bonuses of a pc is you don’t have to scrap the entire thing every year or 2.
@@mitsuhh You do typically every other generation. Ps2 could play ps1, but ps3 could only play ps2. Xbox has limited backwards compatibility at all stages. Ps4 was not backwards compatible. The ps5 has limited backwards compatibility with ps4, and/or a subscription for older games. Nintendo is also typically on this two-gen backwards compatibility idea. On PC, you keep your library for life. No questions asked. PC buys you access that consoles simply do not have.
I really think that the mentality of "Consoles vs PCs" has always been such a strange mentality for people to have. They serve different purposes, despite having an overlap in both offering a way to play games. For anyone who just wants something that they can plug and play (aside from setting up an account, now, I guess) and expect it to just work, without the relative complexities of Windows/Mac/Linux on top of whatever games services for a PC, and whatever potential tech support issues they may find with getting controllers/peripherals working on different games/services, and any of the other potential oddities that can come with PC gaming. I love gaming on my PC, but I would never suggest PC gaming to the less tech savvy people in my life, because I know it would simply mean constant headaches for me for however long it took to get things working for them, and whenever anything went wrong. Meanwhile a console just works. Obviously on the other hand, if someone wants more than just a gaming machine, then they're already not going to be looking for a console. Realistically, I think the PS5 pro is mostly going to be a very low-yield product, that is going to serve as a way to make the cost of the base model PS5 look less daunting by comparison for parents going to the store to buy Christmas presents, or people looking to get a PS5 so they can play the exclusive games/play online with their friends. The PS4 pro sold around 15% of the total PS4 sales, and it was a much bigger (or at least more significant) jump over the base model, at a smaller price jump (obviously at a very different economic time in the world as well). So I'm guessing Sony is expecting the PS5 pro to sell _less_ relative to the base PS5, which is why they've priced it higher, both to bring it closer to their cost (or even sell it at a profit) and to - as I previously mentioned - have it be the "big intimidating price" next to the (relatively) lower priced base model that will even be bundled with a game (or multiple) this holiday season.
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 I don't even think it's that, it's more that there are older people, kids, and just people who don't necessarily care so much about getting tech savvy that want to be able to play games, and using PCs can seem entirely daunting to them, compared to the very curated console experience. It's also why mobile gaming is so popular, it has such a low barrier to entry.
I'm not a PC gamer, or even a serious enough console gamer to qualify as a fanboy, and I've never watched this channel before, but it was interesting and well put together- will be checking back to see the PS5 Pro comparison.
“Pc gamers should not be playing on a TV” is such a condescending statement. PC gamers can play however they want: a TV with a controller, via Moonlight with game streaming to a handheld, on their lap with a laptop - it really doesn’t matter. That statement was so self-righteous and dumb that it’s put me off Jay lmao
I could be wrong, but isn't this because of latency/input lag and refresh rates? Obviously it's still a bit silly but I don't think he's just saying it for literally no reason, probably just something he's internalized lol. I've always heard you shouldn't do all your editing on a TV for the same reason
comments section made me believe how dumb people can be, even after watching the video, u just cannot compare console to PC master race. they wont believe it even if someone forced them to play on PC, they still will say console is better lol
@@mett7Can be as expensive or as cheap as you want them to be, I have a 20€ Hall effect controller I got off of Alixpress and a 140€ aluminium keyboard and 30€ mouse. It’s just personal preference and wouldn’t need to be that expensive.
@@mett7 no its just pc has options can spend 19.99 for a logitech kb and mouse combo or 100+. some pre builds come with them in the box as well. you can blutooth or hardwire any controller to the pc. its actually a perk to have options and features. pc users arent limited to big corporation saying you have to use out product or else. we have companies competing for our dollar. nice try tho trying to convince people having options is a bad thing.
13:07 why should no PC gamer play on a TV??? I wasn't even aware that there is a right and a wrong way of doing it. Just because having a dedicated desk and sitting right in front of your monitor is right for you doesn't mean it's the only acceptable way. I've been gaming on a 65" OLED TV at 120Hz for the past five years or so and I had a lot of fun with it. My TV is better than most monitors. It's color graded and I'm even editing all my photos on the TV. Claiming that people SHOULDN'T use a TV for a PC is just nonsense.
@@Caddi1985 Many TVs have game mode. My 65" 4K 120Hz VRR HDR109 tv has been measured to 8ms input lag in game mode, which is perfectly fine for couch gaming, and not much than most 120hz gaming monitors on the market.
It's a matter of pixel density that prevents most from using a larger display like a 65" 4k TV as a monitor. Sure they are much better now then in the past with latency. BUT I don't feel like sitting 10+ feet away from the display in order to not see the pixels. A 65" 4K TV is unusable when you are too close, and at a proper distance to prevent seeing the pixels, you're basically turning your 65" TV into a usable 27 - 34" display. SO for me I would rather just slap three 27" 1440p monitors in front of me. At the typical desk sitting distance (about 3 feet)a 27" 1440P monitor has enough pixel density to not distinguish the spaces between them. So as long as you are happy with sitting that far from your display, cool. Also If your TV was 4k and 40" or less then pixel density wouldn't be an issue, but then you would have to sit much closer, weight of a TV would be the main concern at that point, as most quality higher pixel dense TV weigh substantially more then a monitor. Since they tend to forgo the speakers, TV tuner and other things that add the weight to the TV.
@@JJ_ExMachina I Play on 42" LG OLED, 2 meters from screen. Pixel density is really good in 4K games. 1440p is a bit blurrier but still looks nice. My friend have 55" and 65". He basically stop using 65" one because of pixel density.
@@mett7You can get a keyboard and mouse from some pawn shop or garage sale for $5. It doesn’t have to be expensive, it just has to do its job, which is type and input. My first purchased keyboard and mouse was a cheap Cooler Master Devastator set for $35 (many PC gamers know the one I’m talking about, there were Red, Green and Blue ones) but before that, I was using a keyboard and mouse from my high school computer class’ storage closet lol
@@techlorknight338 I have a PC, since 2016 I build my PC's, I dont buy consoles. Only portable consoles, I have a Legion Go. Also I dont play online, I only play single player games.
@@techlorknight338 I don´t buy consoles, except for portable ones, I have a Legion Go. Since 2016 I build my own PC´s. I have a high-end PC and my Legion Go. Also, I don't play online, only single player games.
What would be great is seeing consoles come out with a way less locked down OS, like Steam OS. Get similar idiotproofness to existing consoles, but far more flexible on what it can do and amount of games it can play. Basically a mini-PC with Steam OS and a controller.
That's what Steam machines wanted to be. If you put HoloISO on that machine it would just be it. It would also work best with AMD GPU, so something like 6750xt would be a much better fit.
I think they keep things locked down to prevent exploits from being run on them like in the past. Don’t really see many modded consoles these days online anymore because of it.
@@speedforce131 Wifi and bluetooth are built into most motherboards options, but even if you get a low end mobo without it, a wifi/bt adapter is 20 bucks. Also, xbox based controllers have more compatibility with computers than playstation based controllers.
So just for fun I went on pcpartpicker to see what I could achieve for similar money to what a PS5 pro + stand costs in europe, while trying to match or beat the PS5 pro`s specs as much as I can. For this I made a few assumptions: the cpu is equivalent to a 3700x, the presumed gpu is essentially an rx6800, the ssd is pcie gen 4 What I ended up with is as follows: -ryzen 5600x (costs basicly the same as the 3700x so is interchangable for the purposes of this excercise, I chose the 5600x because of better single core performance). -16gb ddr3200 ram, the cheapest ram I could (because AM4, and I needed to save budget where I could). Turns out it`s corsair ram though, which is good. Also, 30ish euro for 2x8gb feels really cheap, even if it`s DDR4 -2tb patriot p400lite (was the cheapest pcie gen4 2tb SSD that showed up, don`t know how good it is) -some cheapo zalmo case, costs 40€, comes with some fans, good enough -the cheapest 80+ bronze 650w power supply that showed up. It`s an MSI PSU and has an actual rating, so I assume it won`t randomly explode. It`s 55€ btw, so not suspitiously cheap either -the GPU: I ended up chosing the 7700xt because it seems to perform slightly better than the rx6800 while also having newer features from AMD like their latest FSR and frame gen. You can substitute the 7700xt for a 4060ti (8gb), if you want to sacrifice a bit of raw power for better ray tracing, upscaling, and frame generation tech. A quick google search suggests the RTX4060ti might also perform similarly to the rx6800. Vram might be an issue for 4k, which is part of why I went for the AMD, but maybe with some extra sacrifices elsewhere a 16gb variant of the rtx4060ti might be more doable -the mobo was the cheapest one I could chose, once again. It`s a Gigabyte board, so I`m sure it`s fine. So, to be completely honest, the total cost according to pcpartpicker is 870€, or 50€ more than the PS5 pro and it`s stand, and you still need an os (windows can be had for 20 bucks from a site like instant gaming, and Linux is free) and either peripherals or a controler. Bear in mind that I had the site set to only pull prices off of amazon france (my local amazon, so to speak), meaning the same parts can maybe be had for less elsewhere, or other storefronts have cheaper alternatives. I also don`t think any of the parts I chose were on sale, meaning that there is room to spend less on these componants, or to get better hardware for similar money, especially with black friday coming up. Also keep in mind that simply going down to a 1tb drive will also get us back within budget. I also don`t feel at all bad for going over budget a bit, because we don`t benefit from bulk purchase pricing like a manufacturer like Sony does, and each individual componant costs us significantly more than it costs them. Also, it`s a pc, which means it can do so much more than just game, which in of itself adds extra value to the pc, that easily offsets the fact I went over budget, as well as the fact the console`s price includes a controller, which I would still have to buy, on top of the price of the system itself. With all that said, I am genuinly curious to know how well I did, and how well my config would hold up vs the PS5 pro. I`m personally pretty confidant it would be comperable in both visual fidelity and performance, but I guess I`m going to have to wait until benchmarks and hardware comparisons betwern the console and pc hardware drop
You downgraded the gpu, and the ram, halved the size of the ssd, and didn't include any peripherals, when the console comes with a controller. You're just contributing to the noise.
@@angrygnome4304 absolutely, and he wasn't using Digital Foundry's PS5 equivalent settings, or considering the fact that console games generally increase the quality to target 30, or 60 fps. Which is fine on a controller. I'm definitely much more sensitive to frame rate with a mouse.
@darkcaste videos like this are just not helpful and make it more likely that PC builders will be disappointed by the results. It reminds me of when i first started out 20+ years ago and I bought several downgrades because i didn't understand what I was buying.
@@techlorknight338then why make this video with estimated specs? Just wait for the Pro so he can see he was wrong about his GPU selection and other ways he cut corners. The fact that he had to cut corners shows the value of the PS5 Pro. PC community in shambles 😂😂
Hey Jayz team, it would be cool if you could run a part 2 showing how much improvements you get from upgraded RAM and GPU. The upgradability is a big selling point for the PC.
I will never _not_ find it hilarious that console fanboys exaggerate the costs of PC while claiming their consoles are more than powerful enough for any and all games while pretending they don't get nickel and dimed for just existing by their console overlords, but then fall all over themselves when a "Pro" version comes out so they can buy the performance PC would have given them in the first place for a little more money. PC: The Pro version was always available.
How is it exaggerated? Jay's video even shows it. He's not using the 3700X, has no bluetooth, has no wi-fi, has no Dualsense, has no OS, doesn't even have a mouse & keyboard. He made a ton of concessions & didn't even attempt to compare what a potential console version would perform like. Fact that you don't know or didn't make these observations show that you have no business laughing at anything.
@spaghebbio More like $700 but keep exaggerating fanboy. And now you have to spend ANOTHER $700-$800 for the PS5 "Pro" to be faster too, while an $800 GPU will annihilate the Pro. Now you're over $1200+ invested. So you say you can sell your PS5? Yeah well I can sell my old GPU too. Keep proving me right console fanboys. Just cause you failed 3rd grade math doesn't mean all of us did.
@spaghebbio When the PS5 launched that was _before_ the crypto boom that made GPUs skyrocket. A $700 mediocre gaming PC was _VERY_ possible. That's something I can _easily_ disagree with because I've been building and selling PCs for over 25 years so you can't BS me. The $1200 point was because I knew that's exactly where you were gonna go because I constantly saw the same fanboy argument with the "pro" versions of PS4 and XB1. I made it _because_ it's a stupid point. You're free to play your console all you want, but don't try and BS me that it's better, because it's simply not. PC is faster, can do stupidly more tasks, and it's cheaper in the long run. The ONLY advantage console has is the low cost of entry and the console fanboys latch onto that because it's all they have, and even that's a lie because the second you account for online fees and higher game prices, console quickly passes PC in costs. Do _you_ only play 1-2 games a year and they're always offline? I insulted that idiot because he was spouting straight up bullshit pretending to know WTF he's talking about, but I notice you didn't mention one iota of that huh? Unless you also think a "Wi-Fi" motherboard doesn't come with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and the 3700 is faster than a 12600k.
@spaghebbio If you have to get into technicalities of exact dates to fall perfectly into the couple months PS5 was out before affordable GPUs launched then you also have to account for the fact PS5s were essentially _impossible_ to buy at anything close to MSRP, completely destroying your cherry picked date. You're cherry picking so hard you're starting to tear off branches. I'm sorry PCs are too complicated for you to set up. Maybe my 13yr old daughter can teach you.
@spaghebbio _You're_ the one that said PCs are harder to setup, not me. The fact you have a PC which I very well remembered only makes it that much _more_ pathetic that you're reaching that hard to desperately come up with something consoles are better at. You still missed the entire point that if you have to cherry pick dates where abc was easy to buy and xyz wasn't you've already lost the argument. It's disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst. Traditionally, and much more significantly *_TODAY,_* I can build a PC for roughly the same cost as a PS5 Pricey Edition that will be every bit as good at gaming, but capable of a whole lot more while being cheaper down the road thanks to cheaper games and no online fees. Then you have to add SOME level of value to being able to repair it yourself, upgrade it for less than a new console, play your games the way YOU want to play via mods, and the bazillion other tasks a PC can do that a console can't. I highly doubt you do your taxes on your PoS5, and I sure as hell ain't running compile and compression workloads on a console. Console fanboys have to pretend only games exist, and they have to only compare to full new build PC prices because they can't upgrade their consoles. Once you're in the PC ecosystem it's cheaper to stay there with upgrades over time than buy an entire new console every gen. That's much more an argument against laptops, not PCs.
Even if you have to pay $1000, a PC offers so much more in the form of what you can use it for, longevity, uprade-ability, repair-ability, no online play subscription, more games, emulators, the option for an optical drive for only $20, and so much more that it's worth the extra $300
Seriously, change your gpu and you're good to go for a couple-few more years.
The FORCED subscription service should be added as base cost and at least labeled as "minimum lifetime cost"
$1,000 is a low point to build something LIKE the ps5 (pro). The reality is games will be more optimized for console than for pc. Also the repair part is bullcrap for both, pc components AND consoles last for years even without proper maintenance/cleaning. The benefits of pc over console are the library of games and emulators. Most people only need a $200 laptop for their daily lives that's the reality. Also pc parts are MUCH more expensive outside the US
Games are also a lot cheaper for PC usually. And then there's keys for games as another option as well!
Exactly my thoughts when I built my pc back in 2016, for 2200 bucks. Get over it, it's not the same game.
Don't forget that you have to pay $80 for PSN+ every year. The PS5 pro costs way more than $700.
Plus its a console with like 5 decent games. A pc is well, a pc.
Disk drive and stand is an extra $110
@@billytk1225 Not even $50 for the disc drive, $80. And the $30 for the stand.
Plus paying full price for all the games, no steam sales on psn
you have to pay that regardless of which console you pick, dont throw that bull shit onto the pro like its only a problem to the pro
I built my first budget gaming PC years ago using one of your videos as a guide. Only spent 580 bucks. Was the best decision i ever made, made me confident in building pcs and was able to upgrade parts over time, now i have a 6950xt / 5800x3d build that does anything i need. Thanks jay
Have those parts as well, makes for a flawless gaming experience
A success story is always heartwarming
Can I get the link to the video?
I have the exact same Graphics card and CPU! They're amazing parts!
@pbj315 I know man, I get hate all the time for having amd parts but I just don't get it. It can play anything maxed out at 1440p, that's all I need lol
I love how this is a subtle, pro PCMR video!
In EU the pro even cost 200 dollars more than US which means over 1000 dollars if you want the stand and disc drive. Thats when building a PC starts making more sense
US prices are without tax....
The $700 is a bit misleading for people in the EU since the €800 price includes all taxes (I'm assuming it's not a pre-VAT price). Assuming a rough average sales tax the US one is $750 or roughly €680, so that makes it roughly $130 more than the US price. Looks like the UK's price is roughly $160 more.
@@Frankon81 So you mean to tell me that all EU countries should be paying the same amount of tax on the PS5 Pro but in the US you get special treatment based on which state you live in? Why would they announce EU prices with tax and US prices without tax?
@@ByTexify culture thing. In Europe (and rest of the world) we like to know that the price we see is final price. What we see is what we pay. In states they have multiple taxes that are put on the product - from like town tax up to the state tax -that sometimes are totally random....
@Sgt_SealCluber that's a lame defense to support PS5 Pro is a better price. You can probably PAR a PS5 Pro for $600
The price didn't go from $500 to $700, it went from $450 to $700 since it doesn't have a blue ray drive.
Got more storage though
1tb ssd is 100$ so technically u paying 150 more for the power
@@haocongkevinzhu1451 as cheap as $60 for a Samsung 1tb nvme. They are robbing folks
@@haocongkevinzhu1451 depends on where you go and what brand and whats on sale got a nvme saberant rocket 1tb for 50 on newegg and i see cruitical on sale for around 50-60 from time to time
2TB
"Who cares about discs?"
This guy. This guy right here. Game preservation is a thing.
Yeah but you don't get the actual game on a PS5 disc, you're just buying physical DRM. Every disc game I own just ends up downloading most of the game anyway. There's 0 preservation on PS5.
@@razingst0rmeven though you need to download the game off the license on the disc, you still need to have the disc to play I believe(unless they changed it) which means it’s still a “physical copy” and has some sort of resale value.
@@razingst0rm Demonstrably false. I live in an area without high speed internet. I am able to install large games (50+ GB) directly from the disc with no internet connection in about 10 minutes.
There are usually patches after the installion if you want them, most of which are in the 1-5 GB range, but the complete games (v1.0) are on the disc.
discs are outdated man.. many modern games on disc you cant even play offline.. so having a disc does not mean more than having it on a ssd.
@@CMDR_MetalMadness But what I said is true. The game IS on the disc, otherwise I couldn't install and play it without an internet connection. Your claim that it's not on the disc has been debunked.
Personally, I don't buy any games that require an internet connection. The live service game model is inherently anti-consumer. It is designed to maximize corporate profit, while giving players as little as possible. I also don't trust Sony to not delist and/or remove digital games whenever they feel like it, or charge whatever they want because they have a monopoly on digital games, as there are no other digital options on their console. Sony is getting sued in the UK for that monopolistic business practice right now.
Physical media gives you options, and having options never goes out of style. Fail to learn this at your own peril.
a PC is a project car, a console is a Kia. you like tinkering? get a PC. you want to do one thing? get a console
dumbest analogy EVER a PC is a supercar if you got money you dont have to build it yourself PLUS SERVICE IS CHEAPER a console is a kia that if it breaks ITS NOT WORTH THE FIXING
@@davideojockey6237it was a fine analogy imo
@@davideojockey6237 it was a fine analogy, but I agree that you can fix a broken computer, and that's a lot harder to do with a playstation
I don't even think 8k will ever be a thing for a very long time. Just seems very unnecessary. HDR would have a much bigger impact on visuals I think.
8K is already a thing, just games, computers, and consoles can't process it fast enough to be used, TV's / movies can.
And unless you're super budget, basically every TV/Console/PC already support HDR/UHDR, and Ray Tracing is rapidly approaching being right there beside it.
8K is pretty pointless though, and if anything doesn't need to be developed any further, but tech/tv manufacturers *have* to, because if they don't once they make 8k UHDR OLed etc etc panels, and they all become so affordable people have them and aren't upgrading to the latest and greats yearly they will go out of business.
So because of that Display tech will continue to be so far ahead nothing can fully utilize it, if someone bought an 8K + extras today, that display would be beyond usable spec for atleast 10 years.
until a 7900 xtx or more powerful can be integrated into a console I'd think
8k coming out next year. Get ready!
dont forget the 8k gaming card NVIDIA RTX 3090
Native 8k at 60fps will be talked about when the 6090 comes out. So we are less than 3 years away probably from a fully capable 8k60 GPU...The real issue with 8k is that Samsung is the only manufacture releasing 8k tv's, and they are not lowering the MRSP each year.. As long as they are the only ones releasing a yearly 8k tv, adoption rate is going to move at a snails pace
As someone who already owns a Series X and a PS5 and uses both on a 1440p monitor, I can confidently say this is most likely my final console generation and I'll be a strictly PC gamer after this current generation.
You have seen the light. Don't ever go back. Lol
@@mrdappernature8861 don't ever ever go back
go for it bro, you will be amazed lol.. but please go at least 1440p ultrawide, there is nothing better than ultawide gaming
@@antftwx I'm the opposite. After dropping 1500 CAD on just a GPU and probably a other 2k on the rest of parts I don't think I'll get another PC. At least not from scratch. I'll go as far as am4 can take me. Hopefully by then my kids are town and can buy their own PC or have moved out.
Same here, though I'm not sure there will be another console generation, considering they are doing away with exclusives. By the time the current generation approaches the end of it's lifecycle, they will be facing stiff competition from mini PCs, handheld PCs and Steam OS, which Valve seems totally willing to share with any handheld manufacturer. Also, by then, I expect pretty much everything will be able to run on Steam OS.
These prices definitely blurred the line between... "Just get a console." "PC Master Race"
It only blurs the reasons to buy a console. There is a reason when gaming starts crashing again, the PC will still have new games to play
@@neofloggin3687 to blur it more if you don't mind getting used parts then its actually cheaper to build a similar system with better performance and pc has more versitily and no extra subscription
@@neofloggin3687 thousands of Indie Games with a number of them being Hidden GEMS
@@neofloggin3687 you know that almost every 3rd party developer prioritizes their games for consoles first right?
For the pc community it is a sad truth, games would be so much further ahead if they weren't held back by consoles@@thetrilltroll7633
I'm generally a console person, and well, a console rarely, if at all, will do something a PC cannot do. The appeal of the console is you can plug it in and be done.
I’m a console guy myself, but I’m afraid I will need to disagree with you here. You don’t need to build a gaming PC, you can buy them ready made very easily if you’re a ‘plug and play’ kinda person. As well, there’s quite a bit more a PC can do that a console cannot. Consoles are fine if you are only interested in gaming and streaming, but a gaming PC can double as your work station at home. You can write documents, browse the web, and if you’re into graphic designing it’s already set up to run whatever you’ll need. I’ve always been a console guy but I must admit, with the easier accessibility to mods and the promise of doubling as a work station, I’m nearly ready to jump ship 👀
@lukefregona7973 even with an already made pc, it's not just plug and play. Still need to check drivers, download the game, tinker with the graphics settings, etc. Though i never said build your own pc. Outside of that, we are saying the same thing: Very rarely, will a console do something a pc cannot do.
The other thing that people often forget is you can hook up your PS or Xbox controller to your PC and play your games like that for a LOT of titles and you can have your casual gaming experience like on your console.
Also GeForce Now for those non competitive games
My PC auto boots into big picture. So it's very close to console. Let's be real, console are also closer to PC now. Gone are the days when you can just put disk in and play. Unless you ok with you console to be on standby, you have to sit through updates too.
Best of both worlds for me. Some games I prefer a controller. Others work better on keyboard and mouse. Whatever the case may be, I'm covered with my PC.
I claim "pc master race" but i strictly only use an xbox controller when i play games lol. I simply suck when using a keyboard and mouse even though i have decent gaming Corsair board and Logitech mouse..
I simply prefer controller and rly wish more if not ALL games had controller support!
Yeah and a lot of Playstation games on PC fully support the Dualsense's rumble too
"You look like a complete moron". Let'em have it Jay. I love it.
Basically he's saying "hop on google on whatever device you can & do your own research before spewing out nonsense on what you want to happen rather than what is fact." Yes PC will probably always trump console in overall performance but console will probably always trump PC in convenience & ease. If you have the patience to learn, buy a PC, but if you just want to game buy a console.
@@xtremezone987 steam os is practically the same as console convenience tho
@@xtremezone987 Well I'd argue, not really. Game launchers like Steam make installing games very easy and on consoles web browser and media watching are soooooooooo much worse than on PC and you're locked to whatever garbage media player they provide that doesn't ever support proprietary codecs.
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@@acidthefurry6684problem is you have to actually install steam os. The people that want the plug and play functionality of a console probably don’t want to do any of the extra stuff. Configuring hardware, finding a better os, drivers, the whole suite. I’m a tech guy, in my day job I’m a software engineer, so I have no issue navigating a pc, but sometimes if there’s a hiccup, I’m just gonna turn off my pc and play my ps5 simply because I don’t want to deal with it. I can imagine someone that has no tech knowledge may have less tolerance for pc than myself.
I mean, specifically people are pissed that the price point went to $700 USD, and while there is a performance uplift (they didn't show it well), the main issue is that is 200 bucks more, with no disc drive included, and no vertical stand (which is whatever to me, but people did bring it up as a pain point). If people are spending that much (especially if they don't have really good internet), a disc drive is 100% a must.
Not just that, games are cheaper by buying the disc the majority of the time, especially used.
Yeah the reason I have no interest in the ps5 pro is simply that the disc drive is a forced extra. No thanks. I actually use my ps5 as my blu ray player, and I like buying physical game copies on console often times, I need that disc drive. Paying 775 dollars just to get like 60fps ray tracing in some games... nah if it is a graphically crazy game like cyberpunk I will just stick to pc for that.
The PS5 Slim didn't come with a Stand or Bluray drive and was $450.
Ever since Ai introduce. Each gen performance uplift is very disappointed & expensive
Note that in presentation they cleverly hid that actually it isn't fidelity and performance at the same time. Remember when he said "with somethin almost like a fidelity look" implying that you may not complete fidelity on 60 fps on pro.
Ok but what do I do with my PS4 games that I've already collected? How much will it cost me to build a library of quality PC games? I feel like if you've already invested in console games (physical and digital), it's hard to ever cross over to PC without spending a significant amount of money, PLUS accepting the perceived loss of not being able to play the console games you've already bought.
THIS. I'm not rebuying 300+ games and waiting for FF7 Rebirth, Ghost of Yotei, etc.
So stick with the console then. As long as the newest console is getting at least 60fps your not missing out on much performance wise. Most people just want to play the fuckin game, and that's what consoles do.
Keep your old PS4 to go back to from time to time, play those older titles you cannot part with… There is nothing wrong with it. And for the pc… on Steam and other platforms you can cheaply scoop up any old titles you do want to play on a newer system for a few bucks. . For PC I bought Horizon Zero Dawn and God of War each for around 7 euro each. There are many other great older titles you can find for even less. But just buy what you actually are going to play on a new system.
The extra money you'd need to run the Rx6800 comes from just 5 months of PS+ Premium....
Plus Sony can purchase the chip cheaper than a user can.
Or the stand and cd drive.
@@CamBeulGaming I was leaving that out since he also left those off as a PC doesn’t have a disc drive usually these days either
6800 is not the PS5 gpu lol also you get 2 free games a month maybe 3 IDK. Inflation caused EVERYTHING to go up since the PS5 launched 4 years ago. people complain then buy a 4090 for $1750
@@robertbolzicco9995 You get 2 free games a week on epic store just for having an account, so there's a PC comparable which is better & free.
24:34 "It's the Sony police?" 😂😂
That's what you'll get when driving cars with a keyboard.😺
I think the PS5 pro will sell, because people with $700 would rather feel like they got the nicest possible PlayStation rather than a low-end PC. It’s about perceived value and fomo.
Or they already own a good pc and buy a PS5 pro
People will not buy this the way Sony thinks, too expensive AND what will people be playing??? The same OLD ps exclusives they have already beaten????
Or because of comfort not everyone know how to build a PC
I don’t think it will
Low end pc very close to ps5 pro. You tripping. In reality you could make a better pc than the pro with used parts. You can get a 6800xt for 330$.
Who tf is saying it's better than a "PC"? ABSOLUTELY NO ONE
Oliver at Digital Foundry said its PC power in the living room and the Tech in the Pro won’t be available in the PC market for a minimum of 2 years.
If you want high fidelity and a smooth 60FPS the pro is worth it.
Again That’s digital foundry hands on with 11 games.
@@chrispatsox Then Oliver at Digital Foundry is not a very smart fellow. If indeed it is "PC power in the living room", let him show us how to FTP-upload a file to our hosted webspace, create a spreadsheet, and run some OS on a VM, with a PS5 Pro. It's a toy, the only thing you can do with it is play video games.
And as for "tech won't be available in the PC market for two years"... LOL.
I mean, it’s better than MOST peoples PCs, according to that Steam hardware survey.
@@chrispatsoxnooooo!! All you need are 4 sticks, two acorns, two wires from a junkyard, an old soup can and connect it to a windows 95 machine to blow any console away.
@@Gaius__ Oliver at digital foundry actually played the PS5 pro. Games run much better on consoles than PCs that have much higher specs. Your toy comment displays that you can't look at this objectively. You need therapy
Gotta say,
In that thumbnail, your PC looks scared!
FIGHT!
Disclaimer: I am a PC player and long ago abandoned consoles (PS2 maybe? lol). I have long said and continue to argue that PCs are better for gaming in almost every way - even if you want to game on your nice TV from your couch with a controller. However, there is something console players get that PC users will never get - optimization. Because a console is locked down with proprietary software and even some of the hardware, every console should behave the same way every time. Yes, obviously there are outliers just like there are with literally everything, but in general that PS5 sitting on Jay's desk should behave the same as any other PS5 in anyone else's house. Because of this, games released on consoles can be ultra optimized by the devs all the way down to the most miniscule of tweaks in an attempt to squeeze the most performance or the best looking visuals on potentially lesser hardware - and it should be rather consistent from machine to machine. This is why a lot of console gamers believe they're getting the better deal because they didn't have to do anything other than plug it in, and turn it on
Look, we ALL know more than one person in our lives that we just wish DIDN'T have a computer because they're so tech-illiterate that they're always asking for help. Do you want THAT person gaming on a custom gaming PC? Absolutely NOT. There's also just something to be said for the ease of use and convenience of a console - and for some people that's worth it even if they know they could be getting more with a PC
Anyway there's something for everyone, and I truly believe that the argument of "which is better" is literally the stupidest argument ever because they just aren't made for the same people for the same purpose
TY for coming to my TeD TaLk
I only keep my console around for its exclusives. Everything else is on PC. Steam Deck is the best console to date
its like the iPhones vs android comparison, all iPhones run on the same software and basically hardware, so that means that optimizing for all iPhones will be easier, unlike android, where each android phone is completely different
Well said. Good balance of pros and cons and pointing out the whole different strokes for different folks thing.
I am also a PC gamer, (5900x & 3080) and love the high quality visuals and FPS I get @3440x1440.
I'm still going to be buying a PS5 Pro. Why? As you said, optimization and plug'n'play. A benefit you left out are the few exclusive games (if you care about the exclusives, which, yes, I do). There are also some game publishers (Looking at you Ubisoft and EA) that have launchers and unoptimized/laggy games with Jedi Survivor being a perfect example of unoptimized/laggy a year and change after release, when my pc should have a smooth high FPS experience. On PS5, I've heard it plays a lot better, and bonus, doesn't have the stupid launchers. Also, I will be buying the UHD-bluray player for 4k movie night which is something my pc CANNOT do since I can't find a 4kBluRay player for PC (that reads 4k movies, ask my UHD-bluray read/writer for my PC on the difference *exasperated sigh*). FInal reason for buying the PS5 Pro, I have an OG PS4 with a ton of games for it (some on discs) which will benefit from the PS5 Pro's backwards compatability and uplift in visuals/performance.
Disclaimer: If I already owned a PS5, I wouldn't buy the PS5 Pro, just like I didn't buy the PS4 pro because I have an OG PS4.
With a PC, you just brute force your way through the bad optimisations, I dropped consoles when they stopped making real mod chips for them, PS2 and OG XBOX if I remember, I much prefer to own my hardware and do what ever I like with it, versus this locked down eco system of consoles today, even if I have to pay twice as much for it, a powerful PC doesn't just play games, it has a crap ton of other uses, so much better investment in my opinion, I run a HTPC with Bazzite on there and it turns my TV into giant Steamdeck, very console like experience.
And the fact that for a casual AAA gamer or for kids console is just better, can't beat the ease of use and price in those scenarios. But the Pro is still overpriced, even if it's better value for the hardware.
Everyone in Europe: what's a microcenter?
Valóban
Ja isso
mediamarket
@@nupagagyi R: PCX, G: IPON, B: Bluechip :D
When is the follow-up to this now that the PS5 Pro is out?
Technically, Windows is free to use without activating, and all features are unlocked except the watermark and the personalization features.
You can also use a cardboard box as a case! LOL
@@bfhandsomeface409 Lol that could actually be kind of legit. Or a freebie leftover case with super old hardware in it. There's bagillions of old dells and Hps out there that people would throw in the trash when they get around to cleaning. I used a custom case from like 2000 for my first pc and all ebay used parts, worked for years.
HoloISO
And you can also use any variation of Linux that are completely free.
PlayStation's os is a fork of FreeBSD or something, so using Linux or FreeBSD on the pc is the "technically" more accurate comparison.
0:34 "Today we're gonna use our friends at microcenter to see how well we can come..."
😂😂
We will come
Do not come, do not come.
I RAMmed my floppy into the USB-A hole and sprayed my thermal grease all over the buttons 😫
Everybody must come
Jay constantly saying "asstricks" when referring to an asterisk will haunt my dreams for at least 3 days.
Say it three times in the mirror and Jay shows up behind you 😂
Take a drink every time Jay says 'ass tricks'.
@@WadeRavenWattsNeeded help with my GPU OC and did this exactly as you said and now Jay is living in my basement and over clocking all my electronics and appliances and refuses to leave .
NO WAY!! Love for the old GI Joe PSA snip. Thanks Jay! Those were the best as a kid
The reason they said “67%” instead of “60 CUs” is because to 99.999% of people on the planet, “60 CUs” means absolutely nothing.
They won’t have a clue how many CUs the PS5 has, or even what that means (“is that like 4K or something?”)
But 67%… well, that’s clearly a more biggerer, betterer, more impressive number! You will obviously get 67% more graphics!
(This is still a rip off, just explaining how marketing droids think)
I love marketing, its an entire industry where your job is to sell things to people that are the furthest removed from the item your pitching xD Your not selling ice to an eskimo your selling ice to a camel...
That's because the way they explained it in the reveal was very disingenuous, it is actually a change in architecture, the PS5 Pro is using a RDNA 3 Navi 32 Chip because it has a better upscaling performance.
But even still it only barely breaks even with the Xbox's RDNA 2 Navi 21 chip
Percentages change. CU counts don't. For example, the 890m has 33% more CUs then the 880m but doesn't equate to 33% more performance. More like 15%
Of course it’s disingenuous. That’s by design. The entire gaming hardware industry is designed to confuse consumers.
You think the average punter on the street understands that 4060 is worse than a 3080? And surely a 6700 is better than both, right?
I pay attention to this shit and even I couldn’t tell you if an Xbox series X or S is better (partly cos I don’t care).
@@o_sagui6583 PS5 Pro is RDNA 4.
The funny part will be that PS5 Pro will be sold out, so it will end up costing $1k in the scalpers market. 😅
Its over $1000 just adding 3 years of PSN ($80/year) any PS5 Pro owner will pay throughout ownership. Its part of consoke ownership and should absolutely be included in the price comparison.
@@CakebatteredI haven’t paid a dime for ps+ in 5 years lol I have the highest tier as well it’s so easy to get for free
Sold out because of the lack of supply like before but at least gta 6 on 30fps will be ballin
@@ziegfeld4131 you do not get psn+ for free on your main account. stop lying. you'd get banned instantly.
@@wsdfgesdfr5786 people will buy this console for GTA6. the pc release will be much later... (i hope not)
Wow, asked for it on Discord and even the sponsor I suggested 😂. Yay.
That's pretty cool
Was thinking about the suggestion, I saw it earlier today, dude!
I make these budget builds for every kid in my family who wants a computer. They absolutely love them and Im thankful I have a microcenter nearby.
People are mad over 700$ price for a complete gaming system, meanwhile us PC gamers are fuming over 700-900$ prices for "mid range" cards.
Lol true. Our 1 component upgrade is more. But we can keep the rest of the build for many years.
@@eternalbeing3339 you mean like a gtx680 $500 build from 2012 then in 2022 grab a 4090 for $1600.
@@eternalbeing3339unless all the socket types change...
What cards are that expensive mid-range? 4070tiS and 7900XT are high-end cards and everything below that is not 700 bucks.
@@anitaremenarova6662 is a 3080s below a 4070ti Super because a 3080s was $999 at launch?
24:30 "It's the Sony police." 🤣
"They're after me" 😂
😂
I think its worth mentioning you can install and use windows for free, un-activated of course. But it will function fine, without certain customizability.
that's not the same as a PS5 Pro. You buy a PS5 Pro, turn it on, and there's no watermark. For a test to be the same, you can't use un-activated Windows.
*_cough_* massgrave *_cough_*
@@speedforce131pirate it if ur smart use Linux if ur not buy a cheap one I've seen them going for 5 euros at places and he had a 5 euro headroom
@@speedforce131 who gives a crap the watermark is tiny at the bottom right part of the screen. Also you can easily activate it using AutoKMS in like 1 minute
I watched the whole video not realizing that it was 26 minutes
There is also the thing that with a pc you don't have to pay a monthly subscription to use it, that you will pay for all the duration of the hardware
The comparison is just to dumb to be honest. Most people buy a console to play games on their TV. Edit: Couch gaming on PC is trash, try before commenting you can do ii.
@@coffee7180you can play games on a tv with a pc 😂
@@lowlife4028 try it, steam big picture mode doesn't even work in most games on PC.
I have a PC, Switch, and PS5.
I’m going to buy a pro and buy Sony & Nintendo consoles because I don’t want to wait to play their games.
You don't have to pay PS+ monthly.
I do it because they offer a ton of games.
Granted, I think they missed the mark this month, not my taste.
Sure, free Day 1 Plucky Squire and free Day 1 Harry Potter whatever that broom sport game is, idgaf about.
Other months were much better in my taste.
I built a PC with a B450 motherboard paired with a Ryzen 5 2600 back in 2019! Super cheap build with an HDD! Last year I threw in a Gen4 m.2 SSD and a Ryzen 5 5600 and that upgrade cost me less than 200€! The amount of performance upgrade I got is crazy! Now saving for a 400-500€ GPU and that will give me 60fps gaming on 1440p for the next few years! By the time it will be outdated, it will be a 10 year old motherboard! AM4 is(was) an unbelievable foundation to build a PC!
Bro that’s ps4 type performance.
@@americanrroyalty sure buddy 😆
@@americanrroyalty Nice try buddy
@@lehelzelenka207 so basically u admit yourself u spend almost every 2 years in pc parts to upgrade your existing one damn nice deal as a pc gamer
@@flowless1773 what do you mean, I admit myself?
This video is gonna hit a million. Wake me up when.
Wake up!
Don’t wake up….
The major upsell of a pc is the freedom to mod games, the freedom to add any controller, headset, steering wheel, flight stick, ext to the pc without proprietary headaches and locked out features…case n point, the psvr2 is only compatible with the ps5…yet i would love to also use it on my flight sims on my pc with my 3080gpu but I play mostly GT7 on ps with my wheel but I can’t uses top line wheel tech that is more budget friendly bc it’s only working on pc do to proprietary ps5 comms
Consoles also are generally sold at a loss or close to it since they are subsidized by game sales. The PS5 pro not having some other selling point makes the $700 price tag not as bearable. For example, the PS3 being a $600 bluray player ON TOP OF being a console at a time when bluray players alone were $1,000 was it's selling point and I've heard that they actually cost Sony $1k to make. Of course bluray was Sony's format and it won, so they've made WAAAY more back.
You can just set it horizontal without a stand too
And overheat your PS5 that way.
Nah. I've had in vertical since day one without that stupid stand and had no issues.
@@ThisisCitrus had it horizontal since 2020 with no overheating. They wouldn't make it an option if it didn't work. In fact I've heard more issues with the liquid metal leaking out vertical than horizontal
@@ThisisCitrus haha no. Most people I know have their PS5 horizonal on/in the TV unit. How may have you ever heard of that overheat?
@@ThisisCitrusmine overheated standing up, no issues since putting it horizontal.
I’m just gonna sit in a corner with my 7900XTX and comfort its feelings for not doing 8K 60 like the PS5.
the ps5 can't either. it can output in 8k 60 and play an 8k video but that's all it can do.
@@sirmonkey1985 sarcasm brethren
Even my 4090 doesnt want to do 8k 60fps
Same. I now feel so poor for playing 4k/120 on my XTX and wish I had a superior PoS5 pro.
That PS5 pro is gonna do 1080p upscaled to 4k I guarantee it.
I am done with consoles. Going PC all the way now
Goood Anakin, Goooooood
Welcome to the PC Master Race. We have jackets, and have coffee and cake every Monday when we meet up to laugh at pleb console gamers. Lol
Our Internet connection is our subscription!
Wat about gta 6
Same
Correction at time stamp 5:29
Sony has been making over 50 dollars on each PS5 sold for a while now.
Remember, you HAVE to compare this to the PS5 digital (which is $399), because the PS5 Pro does not have the disc drive. It's actually $780 if you want to compare it to the $499 disc version. Thus, it's $280-300 more expensive. It's not $200 more.
Doesn't the base model also come with a stand instead of charging $30 for it
Still a dick move my Sony for locking people's physical libraries behind an $80 paywall in the form of the separately sold Blu-ray drive.
We all know Sony wants people locked in their digital library where everything is non-transferable and can be revoked at any time. Mark my words: the PS6 will get rid of the Blu-ray drive and force digital-only.
You will own nothing and be happy.
Wrong. As expected from Jayz subscriber, typical
@@Tanook Bruh how is that wrong? It's objectively true that the PS5 Pro does not include the disc drive and has to be purchased separately, making it cost $780 (+$30 for the stand, but most don't have their console vertical)
@@EclipsisCorvus ps5 digital does not cost $399
Everyone’s ignoring the fact that the original PS5 had *8K* on the box and we *STILL* don’t have that capability, yet we’re getting a PS5 Pro
Do you get an 8K user interface for the home screen? Because that would count towards that, legally lol.
@@TheRealEclipse1 I think there is actually one game that runs at 8k then downscales to 4k on the ps5. Its called The Touryst. But yeah thats literally it.
It has 8k video playback on the like 20% of movies that support it
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If you're gaming anything other than 1080p you're not a budget gamer
but but 4k jk jk
I mean the jump in price to performance from 1080 to 1440 is pretty negligible?
Depends on what you play and at what settings, because budget PC's under $1000 can comfortably run 1440p in a lot of games.
@@Rolkey good luck playing 2k 60+ on a 700$ budget, you could but its going to be miserable and not for long too
Warhammer 40K: Space Marines 2 has shown that a beefier CPU should have been seriously considered.
I disagree SM2 is kinda of an outlier on CPU usage, there's very few games that hit it that hard. Even so, I am away from my main PC but was impressed to be able to get over 60fps playing SM2 on my old 8700k/2080ti with DLSS performance, high settings @ 1440p (CachyOS) no overclock just XMP. If an 8700k can run it, a 12600k should rinse it with an extra 4 E cores and higher turbo/cache.
The PS5 Pro should have a Zen 3 X3D chip and RDNA3 iGPU. Total product fail.
@@Lurch-Bot the ps5 PRO will lacks when its cpu bound. the ps5 PRO cpu only boost to 3,6 ghz. they should have upgraded this aswell
@@pvg103103 I think in that way too is just a sinple OC but them I realize that the gddr6 vram is faster too and this will give another boost in cpu performance. Something like a zen2 3700x stock with 3000mhz ram to OC 3700x with 3800mhz ram.
@@skorne7682baldurs gate 3 act 3 says hi.
That was the fastest ''get to the store, buy all needed parts and build it at home'' ever !
Sony Police was funny :D
It’s definitely a different value proposition but I personally can’t see a scenario where I’d go back to console. I have over a decade of purchases on Steam/GOG/Epic/Whatever else and I don’t have to have 5 different boxes plugged into a tv to play them lol
The PS5 Pro costs $1,200 AUD without the disk drive or plastic stand, AND before taxes.
Not to even mention the monthly subscription fee for online play.
That's a lot of money, regardless.
Yeah fuck that bro. 😂
crazy its only 800 in new zealand with tax
The whole disc drive thing baffles me, who fits a disc drive to a pc? Nobody why are people crying about it not having a disc drive? I have a ps5 with a disc drive but only because it was the only one I could get near launch when they were near impossible to get and the only disc I ever used was GTA5 PS4 disc but then they brought out a ps5 update for it so it's never been used in like 2 years
lies.jb hifi aus have it listed as $1199. tax is always included in prices from stores. get educated.
@@Rawreeee its $1379 in nz with taxes.
Another round of attempting to convert my one friend and random strangers online to PC.
Problem there is not everyone is in to desktop gaming or running their PC from the couch. Consoles do have there advantage.
@@SheepAmongG.O.A.T actually not if you play your games on steam there is a special menu where you can control all the menu of steam by your controller,
and im sure if you are wise enough you can even make it work as a mouse in windows.
@@SheepAmongG.O.A.TAll you have to do is connect the PC to the living room tv and keep a wireless keyboard and mouse on the table. That's it. If you want you can use steam in big picture mode to make it more console-like.
@@PorMisLatinos89 Big Screen mode sure but you still need a keyboard and mouse to start it. Anyone who's taking it that far to control everything with the controller, which I have no doubt you can, probably really just needs a console. I have another PC hooked to my TV (as well as my XSX) and just use a wireless K&M. Good enough to start games then it's time to lean back.
@@formless_dev Did you not read what I said. When I say not everyone wants to run their PC (especially if its their only PC) from the couch, I didn't just mean to game. There are a lot of other things to do on a PC. I have a PC hooked to my TV and do exactly that, but it's not my primary PC and the TV is pretty close to the couch so I'll do some 'PC' stuff there. If there was any distance....yeah hell no.
Yeah! So hyped for the Santa Clara store! I live 15 minutes away. Hope to see you there when it opens Jay!
What's the deal with the negativism against console players here?
Doesn't put you in a good light.
I love my PC, but I also like my PS5. I got it for 399€ at release, it was impossible to get a comparable PC at that time.
Also, I use it as a multimedia platform for my TV and like playing couch coop with my gf.
... the way you're talking about 'console fanboys' is weird.
You don't have to be a fanboy to just enjoy both consoles and PCs for individual reasons.
Because console players are calling the Playstation 5 pro a high end PC. First it can't do what PCs do. Second it's using the same SoC from 2019.
@@evacody1249 Nobody is saying that you're making an enemy in your head.
He’s not shitting on console, he’s shitting on idiots on twitter who don’t know how pc’s work, he’s not saying consoles don’t have their place
hope your doing well Jay and your health is way up... much loves and many blessings bruddah
24:31 The Sony Police wants this video taking down asap !!!!
🤣😅😂
If he did this now, he would 100% chose the Intel B580
a $700 PC build is absolutely a budget build, lol.
Add 300 and i just build a beast that will work for 8years easy for my wife
7600x cpu and a used 6900xt gpu and 32gb ram and 2tb storage in m.2 form factor.
@@Apemania69 exactly. and when you do upgrade, you're only replacing a 1-2 parts, not the entire thing.
Yes 😂
and will still outshine a PS5
A $700 budget is not what people on a budget usually have to spend on a PC. A budget build is usually around the $300-$500 range, and yes, that gives you a subpar gaming PC, but that's the point, as long as it works it's good to go.
I'd go PC for all the mods alone😅
You people don't understand one thing... "THE PEOPLE WHO GAME ON CONSOLE DON'T GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT PC GAMING."
And the other way round also
@@g.r.e1982 Not true. I game on both pc and ps5!
Then why do you ever generation say how the new console is better than PC?
Don't speak for all people.... I like both but I mainly play on console more only because of is the PS5 controller 🎮 I'm so use to the Playstation style controller... I have to sacrifice that when using PC.
@thatscardo86 you can use the ps5 controller on pc though
Which software you’re using to check the temp ect? I mean at the beginning and then while playing the game.. are they the same software? 😃
I put together a list of parts for 838 euros, which includes a ryzen 5 5600, 16gb ram, 1tb ssd, 650 watt psu, and a 7800xt, just for the sake of doing it. the PS5 pro is SO much more expensive than it's worth!
If you're going to build a new system, I would highly suggest going to zen 4 CPUs. You'll get your money's worth with the upgradeability.
The PS5 Pro will have better performance than that build, especially in RT because of having RDNA 4 features (that's why they claim up to 3x RT performance over the base PS5).
Not to mention it won't have issues with shader compilation stutter etc.. because it has everything pre-compiled as a fixed platform device and programmed straight to the metal without having to go through DX12.
The last consoles I owned were PS3/Xbox 360, so don't think I'm just a console fanboy or something.
That build is not a small form factor and does not have WiFi 7, BT v5.4, a 2 TB NVME PCIe 5.0 (the fastest in the market), a wireless game controller, and PSSR.
I also put something together quickly and came up with 839.59€ (PS5 Pro 799.99€ with stand 829.98€):
AMD 3700X, ZEN2 8core like PS5 Pro
7800XT, RDNA3 60cu like PS5 Pro
graphics memory 16 GB 256 Bit GDDR6 624GB/s, ps5 pro 16GB 256 Bit GDDR6 576 GB/s (shared with CPU)
16Gb DDR4 ram
2tb ssd 7400MB/s read, 34% faster than the 5500MB/s of the PS5 (I didn't find any speed for the pro)
500W power supply
Wi-fi7 like PS5 pro
BT5.3, PS5 pro BT5.4
wireless game controller
if you add a Blury burner it becomes 903,64€ (PS5 Pro with Blury drive 919,98€, PS5 Pro with Blury drive and stand 949,99€)
I realize that nobody in their right mind would configure a PC like this.
and yes, PSSR is not included. if AI upscaling is important to you, you'll go for NVIDA on the PC, but that would mean having a graphics card that is less comparable to the PS5 Pro.
and yes, the PC is also larger 28.70l vs PS5 10.5l. but if you are willing to spend about 200€ more, you can also get the PC in 7.5l.
(shared with CPU)
😂😂😂 no its not
All that and you still need a controller, a keyboard, a mouse, an OS, an hdmi cable
You also need a TV, another controller, and limited games when all the PS games are coming to PC. Lol
os is free lol.
not a controller, keyboard and mouse, come to my country i will buy it for u, for just 10-15dollars for both, OS is free, and HDMI cable cost 5-10dollars only thats 30$ dollars extra and if u want debate thats its extra, the casing is pretty expensive cause its western world, u can build this PC easily in 20-30dollar casing thats saves u dollars also, and yes u can not only play games, there are bunch of different stuff u can do on ur Pc, i mean wht can u not do lol. everything
I think the biggest positive for PC is the fact you can play pretty much any PC game in existence with a PC. You can also play the majority of console games on the same PC up to 360/ps4. You can also upgrade that system at any time and do not have to buy a whole new system every 3-5 years.
You can also emulate PS1/2/3 on pc very well now
@@Kiwing827 I was implying that. Xd
Your rants made me subscribe 😂
You almost nailed it:
A PC is not a one-trick Sony.
A console is a one trick pony for sure, but if I only need something for 1 trick...a console is a more economical buy.
@@johnmccombe6342 woooooooooooooooooooooosh
Jay, you're better than this. This is a completely pointless and misleading video. Using bundles that a significant number of people won't have access to (with an asterisk!), a GPU that you forget to mention is refurbished, and conveniently don't include any way to control the system in your budget. Imagine if a console didn't get 'bundled' with a controller! Look, I game on PC, Series X and PS5, but trying to mislead the PC community into believing that you can create a build close to the PS5 Pro for the same money is deluded. Yes, a PC is a far more capable platform for many things, but we have to accept that if you want access to the latest games on a budget, it simply cannot compete with consoles as a value proposition. Anyone trying to tell themselves otherwise is misguided. I would have been genuinely interested in a fair comparison, but this is ridiculous.
Thanks for the summary, I wasn't taking the video seriously, not cause it was wrong. Just don't really see building a PC being cheap. At least not a high performing one.
4K gaming is just expensive, and even then I still notice that it's not perfect on PC.
@@thatonefoofrumlongbethe PS5 pro can't game at 4k. You are gaming at 1080p upsacle to 4k 60. The majority of PC users are on 1080p and 1440p. Those with a 7900xtx and 4090 that is a different story.
@@evacody1249i was playing warzone on 4k and it was holding 120 at all times wym?
Here's an on budget and a more like for like build. Only from Part Picker:
CPU: R5 Ryzen 3600 - $89.99
Cooler: Stock Fan - $0
MB: Asus Prime B450-A II - $69.98
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw V 16GB DDR4 3200 CL16 - $32.98
SSD: Teamgroup MP33 2TB NVMe SSD - $96.99
GPU: Acer Nitro OC RX 7700XT - $379.99
Case: Cool Master Master Box Q300L - $39.99
PSU: ThermalTake Smart 600 80+ 600W PSU - $40.99
Total Cost: $750.92
However, I personally would upgrade most of the parts if I was building a PC in this region. I wouldn't class any of the parts as being great or reliable.
This was just to show that you can get extremely close to the PS5 Pro's price, specs and performance. If at the expense of sacrificing some RT performance and build quality. In fact you probably could hit that $700, if you went even cheaper on lesser branded parts, looked around in sales, picked up a combo deal from MicroCenter or obviously bought some used parts.
😂 wow b450 😂😂😂
@@promo130 Then 2 other options:
Option 1: Change it for Gigabyte B550 M K and pay $4 more. Yeah, it gives you PCIe 4.0, which allows you to eventually upgrade it with a faster SSD and faster RAM. However, you lose out on 2 Ram slots, it's onboard VRM's are terrible and it's general build quality is poor in comparison (Did breifly consider it).
Option 2: Is to buy a low-end B550M motherboard by ASUS or MSI for around $20-$50 more, instead.
However, that then defeats the entire purpose of trying to keep it as close to the price of the PS5 Pro, as possible. Also, a B450 motherboard is more than adequate for the rest of the components that I listed. It's also more than adequate to be used in a build that equals or beats a PS5 Pro. Sticking the parts that I used into a B550 motherboard instead, would barely make any impact at all to it's output performance. It would only open up a few more upgrade paths.
I personally wouldn't cheap out on parts for a build that at equals or betters a PS5 Pro. However, it's $700 overall cost was a major constraint. So I went for as cheap as possible components, while still using well renown brands. In doing so, I also wavered away some possible upgrade paths. But let's face it, the PS5 Pro is still far more limited in that regard.
I mean that graphic card isnt equivalent to the ps5 pro either, this in fact prove your gonna have a bottom of the barrell pc to not even match the ps5 pro, according to steam the ps5 pro is probably gonna perform better than the vast majority of ppl on steam.
@@brotherdarknessgaming44797700xt does match the 6800, but its still a bad value card compared with last gen 6750xt
@brotherdarknessgaming4479 The ps5 pro has rdna 2 GPU with so slightly better raytracing at best you better off just building a pc around a 7700XT which will run you $900.
Been on ps for over a decade and once I got my first pc I never looked back
Wow, it is possible to build a computer for less than $700 nowadays. It seems like everyone has been pushing $1500 as the new budget build PC.
$1500 as a budget build lol. People are delusional. $1500 is a premium pc. Crazy
@@dillonvillon Exactly
1500 with newest. Gen parts is a midrange build. Premium? You're looking at over 2K. As high as 3
You can do it for even less than that if you go used. (And you really should consider it for any item besides the hard drive.) Highest priced item by far is gonna be getting a modern graphics card, though you can also get an older generation card and still do an awful lot with it. It also heavily depends on what games you want to play. If you don't care to play the latest bloated-ass AAA Unreal Engine 5 slop, you can get away with even more. Hell, you may even get away with using one of AMD's APUs depending on your use case.
@@arnox4554 Absolutely
Don't forget to include dualsense controller price ($70) to PC budget.
Peripherals don't count, PC still need k&m
@@richardl1708of course they do otherwise you have to subtract $70 from your build
@@TedThomasTT no, no it really doesnt
@@mrlionX great argument 👍
@@TedThomasTT thx
The point is you cannot build a PC with the same price to performance as a console
Right. You can build one that has better price to performance than a console.
@@iconoclast485not when you get a worse GPU you can't.
Yes you can
@@JunLudenwhen it comes to console vs pc i have never seen that happen, the only times that it comes close is when you buy used parts ( unreliable), buy bundles like microcenter ( if you have access). And even then its never the same.
Is the pc better than the ps5 if you have the same or better performance? Yes, but at the moment making a pc with the same perfomance of a ps5 is more expensive. The monthly subscription argument can be made but not everyone uses it. But we will only know the total when the ps5 dies.
@@gordo05057 I can easily build a PC just as powerful or even more powerful than the PS5 Pro, for the same price or less, without using any second-hand components. The problem is that when people think about building a new PC that's just as powerful, they only consider budgets with the latest components or expensive brands like Nvidia, even though the PS5 uses AMD architecture. It doesn't make sense to compare it with Nvidia builds, which cost much more just to get a similar experience
You did forget about the 79.99 PlayStation subscription bs you're forced to pay for to play online.
Actually you don't gain performance using GDDR on a CPU because of they way it is tuned/optimized for graphics which creates higher latencies when used with a CPU .... That's why you never see GDDR RAM sold by computer memory vendors ..... Believe me if they could just slap GDDR chips on a UDIMM and gain higher performance they would have done that long ago
Another thing you got wrong is the PS5 Pro has AI cores and will use AI upscaling ( PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution) like DLSS or XeSS although we can't say yet if Sony's AI upscaler will be as good as DLSS .... Frankly I think this is actually AMD's AI upscaling co-developed with Sony and will eventually be FSR4 and AMD is simply holding it back from PC users so Sony would have first crack at it. The reason I believe that is the 7000 series GPUs have the same AI cores but they are not currently being used. I suspect they won't be used until the next gen AMD GPUs are released and then AMD will also release FSR4 which will be an AI upscaler like DLSS
It isn't GDDR tho - parts of each chip are treated like CPU Cache, since the PS1 and Xbox.
26:57 or buy your card used off the bat if you're getting last gen stuff. I got a 3070 Ti for $270 last month. According to the chart earlier that's 98% equivalent to the ps5 pro plus it gives the advantages of nvidia cards for upscaling.
Ps5 pro comes with controller so u need mouse and keyboard in the price
You can use a PS5 or Xbox controller on PC noob 😂
Imagine using a controller on pc lol
Well, for PSN's yearly subscription 80 bucks, you can get a mechanical keyboard and mouse or a 3 bucks cheap @$$ keyboard and mouse.
What's more detrimental? Using a ps5 without a PSN subscription or using a pc with a 3 dollar mouse and keyboard(combined).
I spent 150 dollars on my keyboard and 90 on my mouse...
@@latinlegend1422 talk about missing the point entirely... 🤦♂
To do that, you would have to buy a PS5 or Xbox controller, which is included in the $700 price of the PS5 Pro, and isn't factored into the price of the PC that is built in this video. It makes the fuss made about the stand in this video seem a little ridiculous, beyond the omission of the controllers price not being factored in. That is not a $30 dollar give - its more like $100.
Try getting to grips with basic comprehension before you start 'owning' people on the internet.
When will you finally compare this thrash build to the pro?
I don't know why people keep bringing up the vertical stand when it is not needed for any on the ps5 model. It can stand vertically without the stand.
I wouldn't risk damaging my 900 dollar PS5 over 30 more bucks.
@@nerdrocker89 But it not need, I honestly don't even know why they made the stand.
@@nerdrocker89You are not going to damage it, and you could also get a $10-15 stand from amazon. I really don't understand why people keep bringing up the stand when it never needed one, it was there on the first model because it was used for the horizontal position also, there's no need for that anymore.
B660 ....not B650 6:35
So thats the wrong link in the description?
So basically they take no loss on the system now, and they make up even more with $70 games and a subscription fee ....
it's called a business
@@Avenge_ComputersI call them criminals 😅
@@Avenge_Computers Is that what they call it ?! .... 😆. I'm just saying it's funny how much things have changed, they use to take a loss of the systems ( according to what Jay is saying ) and that loss was made up for in game sales ( which wasn't $70 but more in the range of $20 - $60 depending the games ) and there wasn't any subscription fees or at least that I was aware of. Last time I had a console when new was back when PS3 came out.
Dude they sell at a loss
@@promo130 They don't sell the base PS5 at a loss. That is crazy talk. The CPU probably costs them close to nothing, it's a 5 year old architecture that isn't even sold in stores anymore. All of the components are old and Sony probably gets them at dirt cheap prices in bulk.
Twist ties are what I've done on my current PC and many more :D These are so useful and reusable too when it comes to cable management.
But it doesn't have PSSR. PSSR enhances the P ness.
A better comparison would be to see what you could do with a previous gen console equivalent, since one of the biggest bonuses of a pc is you don’t have to scrap the entire thing every year or 2.
You don't have to scrap the entire thing every year or 2 with consoles either...
@@mitsuhh You do typically every other generation. Ps2 could play ps1, but ps3 could only play ps2. Xbox has limited backwards compatibility at all stages. Ps4 was not backwards compatible. The ps5 has limited backwards compatibility with ps4, and/or a subscription for older games. Nintendo is also typically on this two-gen backwards compatibility idea. On PC, you keep your library for life. No questions asked. PC buys you access that consoles simply do not have.
@@ManiVortex3965 incorrect
PS3 could play PS2 and ps1
I really think that the mentality of "Consoles vs PCs" has always been such a strange mentality for people to have. They serve different purposes, despite having an overlap in both offering a way to play games. For anyone who just wants something that they can plug and play (aside from setting up an account, now, I guess) and expect it to just work, without the relative complexities of Windows/Mac/Linux on top of whatever games services for a PC, and whatever potential tech support issues they may find with getting controllers/peripherals working on different games/services, and any of the other potential oddities that can come with PC gaming.
I love gaming on my PC, but I would never suggest PC gaming to the less tech savvy people in my life, because I know it would simply mean constant headaches for me for however long it took to get things working for them, and whenever anything went wrong. Meanwhile a console just works. Obviously on the other hand, if someone wants more than just a gaming machine, then they're already not going to be looking for a console.
Realistically, I think the PS5 pro is mostly going to be a very low-yield product, that is going to serve as a way to make the cost of the base model PS5 look less daunting by comparison for parents going to the store to buy Christmas presents, or people looking to get a PS5 so they can play the exclusive games/play online with their friends. The PS4 pro sold around 15% of the total PS4 sales, and it was a much bigger (or at least more significant) jump over the base model, at a smaller price jump (obviously at a very different economic time in the world as well). So I'm guessing Sony is expecting the PS5 pro to sell _less_ relative to the base PS5, which is why they've priced it higher, both to bring it closer to their cost (or even sell it at a profit) and to - as I previously mentioned - have it be the "big intimidating price" next to the (relatively) lower priced base model that will even be bundled with a game (or multiple) this holiday season.
Well said, no idea what happened to PC education in my country, but god damn some people refuse to touch settings on fear of breaking something.
@@gamerdweebentertainment1616 I don't even think it's that, it's more that there are older people, kids, and just people who don't necessarily care so much about getting tech savvy that want to be able to play games, and using PCs can seem entirely daunting to them, compared to the very curated console experience. It's also why mobile gaming is so popular, it has such a low barrier to entry.
I had to scroll a lot to find a reasoned take. Well stated.
I'm not a PC gamer, or even a serious enough console gamer to qualify as a fanboy, and I've never watched this channel before, but it was interesting and well put together- will be checking back to see the PS5 Pro comparison.
“Pc gamers should not be playing on a TV” is such a condescending statement. PC gamers can play however they want: a TV with a controller, via Moonlight with game streaming to a handheld, on their lap with a laptop - it really doesn’t matter. That statement was so self-righteous and dumb that it’s put me off Jay lmao
I often play my PC on a big old plasma when I'm using a controller with a cinematic game, works a treat.
My LG C2 would like a word, Jay 😊
@@SpongyWhale Plasma TV were so fluid, but yet, so hot and heavy ahahahah. I miss that era.
I could be wrong, but isn't this because of latency/input lag and refresh rates? Obviously it's still a bit silly but I don't think he's just saying it for literally no reason, probably just something he's internalized lol. I've always heard you shouldn't do all your editing on a TV for the same reason
@@FramingTheNarrative I think he's correct for 99% of the TVs out there but a nice 120hz OLED is perfectly fine imo
comments section made me believe how dumb people can be, even after watching the video, u just cannot compare console to PC master race. they wont believe it even if someone forced them to play on PC, they still will say console is better lol
What about the 🎮🎮🎮🎮🎮 that’s an extra $80
i guess in the world of pc master race every keyboard, mouse and cotrollers are just given for free :P
Lmao
@@mett7Can be as expensive or as cheap as you want them to be, I have a 20€ Hall effect controller I got off of Alixpress and a 140€ aluminium keyboard and 30€ mouse.
It’s just personal preference and wouldn’t need to be that expensive.
@@mett7 no its just pc has options can spend 19.99 for a logitech kb and mouse combo or 100+. some pre builds come with them in the box as well. you can blutooth or hardwire any controller to the pc.
its actually a perk to have options and features. pc users arent limited to big corporation saying you have to use out product or else. we have companies competing for our dollar. nice try tho trying to convince people having options is a bad thing.
Where'd you get these prices at 😂 we know Jay can build a 700 pc, but can we.
13:07 why should no PC gamer play on a TV??? I wasn't even aware that there is a right and a wrong way of doing it. Just because having a dedicated desk and sitting right in front of your monitor is right for you doesn't mean it's the only acceptable way. I've been gaming on a 65" OLED TV at 120Hz for the past five years or so and I had a lot of fun with it. My TV is better than most monitors. It's color graded and I'm even editing all my photos on the TV. Claiming that people SHOULDN'T use a TV for a PC is just nonsense.
Tvs usually have higher response time which creates input lag.
@@Caddi1985 Many TVs have game mode. My 65" 4K 120Hz VRR HDR109 tv has been measured to 8ms input lag in game mode, which is perfectly fine for couch gaming, and not much than most 120hz gaming monitors on the market.
LG C1 and current gen 55” tvs have 1ms look it up
It's a matter of pixel density that prevents most from using a larger display like a 65" 4k TV as a monitor. Sure they are much better now then in the past with latency. BUT I don't feel like sitting 10+ feet away from the display in order to not see the pixels. A 65" 4K TV is unusable when you are too close, and at a proper distance to prevent seeing the pixels, you're basically turning your 65" TV into a usable 27 - 34" display. SO for me I would rather just slap three 27" 1440p monitors in front of me. At the typical desk sitting distance (about 3 feet)a 27" 1440P monitor has enough pixel density to not distinguish the spaces between them. So as long as you are happy with sitting that far from your display, cool. Also If your TV was 4k and 40" or less then pixel density wouldn't be an issue, but then you would have to sit much closer, weight of a TV would be the main concern at that point, as most quality higher pixel dense TV weigh substantially more then a monitor. Since they tend to forgo the speakers, TV tuner and other things that add the weight to the TV.
@@JJ_ExMachina I Play on 42" LG OLED, 2 meters from screen. Pixel density is really good in 4K games. 1440p is a bit blurrier but still looks nice. My friend have 55" and 65". He basically stop using 65" one because of pixel density.
You missed the price of the controller.
thats right, that expensive mouse and keyboard comes free with pc i guess lol.
@@mett7You can get a keyboard and mouse from some pawn shop or garage sale for $5. It doesn’t have to be expensive, it just has to do its job, which is type and input. My first purchased keyboard and mouse was a cheap Cooler Master Devastator set for $35 (many PC gamers know the one I’m talking about, there were Red, Green and Blue ones) but before that, I was using a keyboard and mouse from my high school computer class’ storage closet lol
How much do you pay for psn again?
@@techlorknight338 I have a PC, since 2016 I build my PC's, I dont buy consoles. Only portable consoles, I have a Legion Go. Also I dont play online, I only play single player games.
@@techlorknight338 I don´t buy consoles, except for portable ones, I have a Legion Go. Since 2016 I build my own PC´s. I have a high-end PC and my Legion Go. Also, I don't play online, only single player games.
What would be great is seeing consoles come out with a way less locked down OS, like Steam OS. Get similar idiotproofness to existing consoles, but far more flexible on what it can do and amount of games it can play. Basically a mini-PC with Steam OS and a controller.
That's what Steam machines wanted to be. If you put HoloISO on that machine it would just be it. It would also work best with AMD GPU, so something like 6750xt would be a much better fit.
I think they keep things locked down to prevent exploits from being run on them like in the past. Don’t really see many modded consoles these days online anymore because of it.
thats what i did for a friend, hes using it on their living room tv with a controller
Living in Florida, it almost brought me to tears to find out there's a Micro Center in Miami now.
Amazon priced - AMD 5600, ASRock MB, 16gb patriot Ram, Zalman case w/fans, 2tb Teamgroup 3.0 nvme, 600w Bronze PSU, RX7600, Peerless assasin $697.56 .....Windows is $15 from CJ CDKeys
Where's your bluetooth? You can't even pair a Dualsense to this build.
@@speedforce131 Huh? you can get a usb bluetooth for under 20$ lol
@@speedforce131 I hope that's sarcasm, lol.
@@speedforce131 Wifi and bluetooth are built into most motherboards options, but even if you get a low end mobo without it, a wifi/bt adapter is 20 bucks. Also, xbox based controllers have more compatibility with computers than playstation based controllers.
@@speedforce131Just plug it in….???? Like a normal human being??
So just for fun I went on pcpartpicker to see what I could achieve for similar money to what a PS5 pro + stand costs in europe, while trying to match or beat the PS5 pro`s specs as much as I can. For this I made a few assumptions: the cpu is equivalent to a 3700x, the presumed gpu is essentially an rx6800, the ssd is pcie gen 4
What I ended up with is as follows:
-ryzen 5600x (costs basicly the same as the 3700x so is interchangable for the purposes of this excercise, I chose the 5600x because of better single core performance).
-16gb ddr3200 ram, the cheapest ram I could (because AM4, and I needed to save budget where I could). Turns out it`s corsair ram though, which is good. Also, 30ish euro for 2x8gb feels really cheap, even if it`s DDR4
-2tb patriot p400lite (was the cheapest pcie gen4 2tb SSD that showed up, don`t know how good it is)
-some cheapo zalmo case, costs 40€, comes with some fans, good enough
-the cheapest 80+ bronze 650w power supply that showed up. It`s an MSI PSU and has an actual rating, so I assume it won`t randomly explode. It`s 55€ btw, so not suspitiously cheap either
-the GPU: I ended up chosing the 7700xt because it seems to perform slightly better than the rx6800 while also having newer features from AMD like their latest FSR and frame gen. You can substitute the 7700xt for a 4060ti (8gb), if you want to sacrifice a bit of raw power for better ray tracing, upscaling, and frame generation tech. A quick google search suggests the RTX4060ti might also perform similarly to the rx6800. Vram might be an issue for 4k, which is part of why I went for the AMD, but maybe with some extra sacrifices elsewhere a 16gb variant of the rtx4060ti might be more doable
-the mobo was the cheapest one I could chose, once again. It`s a Gigabyte board, so I`m sure it`s fine.
So, to be completely honest, the total cost according to pcpartpicker is 870€, or 50€ more than the PS5 pro and it`s stand, and you still need an os (windows can be had for 20 bucks from a site like instant gaming, and Linux is free) and either peripherals or a controler. Bear in mind that I had the site set to only pull prices off of amazon france (my local amazon, so to speak), meaning the same parts can maybe be had for less elsewhere, or other storefronts have cheaper alternatives. I also don`t think any of the parts I chose were on sale, meaning that there is room to spend less on these componants, or to get better hardware for similar money, especially with black friday coming up. Also keep in mind that simply going down to a 1tb drive will also get us back within budget. I also don`t feel at all bad for going over budget a bit, because we don`t benefit from bulk purchase pricing like a manufacturer like Sony does, and each individual componant costs us significantly more than it costs them. Also, it`s a pc, which means it can do so much more than just game, which in of itself adds extra value to the pc, that easily offsets the fact I went over budget, as well as the fact the console`s price includes a controller, which I would still have to buy, on top of the price of the system itself.
With all that said, I am genuinly curious to know how well I did, and how well my config would hold up vs the PS5 pro. I`m personally pretty confidant it would be comperable in both visual fidelity and performance, but I guess I`m going to have to wait until benchmarks and hardware comparisons betwern the console and pc hardware drop
It would hold up fsr better.
I'm starting to get pissed seeing this microcenter builds.
Bro ik, they’re so damn cheap, im taking a vacation down to the continental usa with my friends and im gonna go to my first microcenter.
You tell me, living in Europe..
You downgraded the gpu, and the ram, halved the size of the ssd, and didn't include any peripherals, when the console comes with a controller. You're just contributing to the noise.
He made it as powerful as the Base PS5 and it cost as much as the Pro.
@@angrygnome4304 absolutely, and he wasn't using Digital Foundry's PS5 equivalent settings, or considering the fact that console games generally increase the quality to target 30, or 60 fps. Which is fine on a controller. I'm definitely much more sensitive to frame rate with a mouse.
@darkcaste videos like this are just not helpful and make it more likely that PC builders will be disappointed by the results. It reminds me of when i first started out 20+ years ago and I bought several downgrades because i didn't understand what I was buying.
Did you not watch the video? He literally says all of that and will make another video once they get their hands on a ps5 pro
@@techlorknight338then why make this video with estimated specs? Just wait for the Pro so he can see he was wrong about his GPU selection and other ways he cut corners. The fact that he had to cut corners shows the value of the PS5 Pro. PC community in shambles 😂😂
Hey Jayz team, it would be cool if you could run a part 2 showing how much improvements you get from upgraded RAM and GPU.
The upgradability is a big selling point for the PC.
I will never _not_ find it hilarious that console fanboys exaggerate the costs of PC while claiming their consoles are more than powerful enough for any and all games while pretending they don't get nickel and dimed for just existing by their console overlords, but then fall all over themselves when a "Pro" version comes out so they can buy the performance PC would have given them in the first place for a little more money.
PC: The Pro version was always available.
How is it exaggerated? Jay's video even shows it. He's not using the 3700X, has no bluetooth, has no wi-fi, has no Dualsense, has no OS, doesn't even have a mouse & keyboard. He made a ton of concessions & didn't even attempt to compare what a potential console version would perform like. Fact that you don't know or didn't make these observations show that you have no business laughing at anything.
@spaghebbio More like $700 but keep exaggerating fanboy. And now you have to spend ANOTHER $700-$800 for the PS5 "Pro" to be faster too, while an $800 GPU will annihilate the Pro. Now you're over $1200+ invested. So you say you can sell your PS5? Yeah well I can sell my old GPU too. Keep proving me right console fanboys. Just cause you failed 3rd grade math doesn't mean all of us did.
@spaghebbio When the PS5 launched that was _before_ the crypto boom that made GPUs skyrocket. A $700 mediocre gaming PC was _VERY_ possible. That's something I can _easily_ disagree with because I've been building and selling PCs for over 25 years so you can't BS me.
The $1200 point was because I knew that's exactly where you were gonna go because I constantly saw the same fanboy argument with the "pro" versions of PS4 and XB1. I made it _because_ it's a stupid point.
You're free to play your console all you want, but don't try and BS me that it's better, because it's simply not. PC is faster, can do stupidly more tasks, and it's cheaper in the long run. The ONLY advantage console has is the low cost of entry and the console fanboys latch onto that because it's all they have, and even that's a lie because the second you account for online fees and higher game prices, console quickly passes PC in costs. Do _you_ only play 1-2 games a year and they're always offline?
I insulted that idiot because he was spouting straight up bullshit pretending to know WTF he's talking about, but I notice you didn't mention one iota of that huh? Unless you also think a "Wi-Fi" motherboard doesn't come with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and the 3700 is faster than a 12600k.
@spaghebbio If you have to get into technicalities of exact dates to fall perfectly into the couple months PS5 was out before affordable GPUs launched then you also have to account for the fact PS5s were essentially _impossible_ to buy at anything close to MSRP, completely destroying your cherry picked date. You're cherry picking so hard you're starting to tear off branches.
I'm sorry PCs are too complicated for you to set up. Maybe my 13yr old daughter can teach you.
@spaghebbio _You're_ the one that said PCs are harder to setup, not me. The fact you have a PC which I very well remembered only makes it that much _more_ pathetic that you're reaching that hard to desperately come up with something consoles are better at.
You still missed the entire point that if you have to cherry pick dates where abc was easy to buy and xyz wasn't you've already lost the argument. It's disingenuous at best and an outright lie at worst. Traditionally, and much more significantly *_TODAY,_* I can build a PC for roughly the same cost as a PS5 Pricey Edition that will be every bit as good at gaming, but capable of a whole lot more while being cheaper down the road thanks to cheaper games and no online fees. Then you have to add SOME level of value to being able to repair it yourself, upgrade it for less than a new console, play your games the way YOU want to play via mods, and the bazillion other tasks a PC can do that a console can't. I highly doubt you do your taxes on your PoS5, and I sure as hell ain't running compile and compression workloads on a console.
Console fanboys have to pretend only games exist, and they have to only compare to full new build PC prices because they can't upgrade their consoles. Once you're in the PC ecosystem it's cheaper to stay there with upgrades over time than buy an entire new console every gen. That's much more an argument against laptops, not PCs.