Last week, the 4070 Super slotted in between the 4070 and 4070 Ti. This week, the Ti Super comes in between the Ti and the 4080. Next week, the 4080 Super will come in between the 4080 and 4090. There, Jay....job done. Now, go take care of yourself.
@@XxAtomic646xX yes 1% between is literally 'between' but thats genuinely not what people are expecting so... wow. You thought you were making a real strong point here didnt you.
@@uskiuski7863relax. I doubt they trynna defend the card or the brand lmao. Probably just being pedantic, in which case, yes being 1% better than the lower limit of a range qualifies as being between the lower and upper limits of the range haha
@@ChristianHeid7 Well just because it doesnt work anymore doesnt mean a RTX 5070 that is 40% better wont sell for 600 (or even 700) Dollars next Gen in about 3/4 Year.
I hope you're doing well Jay. They've been hosing us all along, and most of us knew it. Hopefully the red team can cook up something good and sell it for dirt cheap. I'm still on my 2070 super - and it's getting tired, almost as tired as I am with nvidias shit.
I'm kind of disappointed there wasn't at *LEAST* a $50 price cut on the 7800XT. If they cut the price of the 7800XT to $449 and the 7700XT for $399 they'd sell like hotcakes.
No matter how the 4080 Super performs, I look at my 4080 and feel bad. Thanks nVidia!! Feeling really good about suggesting the 7900XT to 2 friends I built for recently though!
One of my buddies was coming from a GTX 1070 and it was doing fine but he wanted to upgrade and another buddy was trying to upsell him on an RTX 3070 which was gonna cost around $450 then and it would have been hard for him to spend that much on a GPU with all the other upgrades as well so I suggested the 6700 XT and he hasnt looked back, its been flawless for him the whole time
I always shop for a good price to perfomance ratio. This is why i stepped away from Nvidia last year and seeing what they do i do not regret this. This is no company i want to support at the moment - not when there's FINALLY a alternative that gives me the same performance for less money. Be well Jay - and good luck !!!
I paid 880€ for my 4070Ti Super ProArt and am very happy with the performance. I wanted to stay under 1000 for a card because I have to invest more in a processor because I need more power when working from home. I paid just over 3000 for all parts of my system and probably would have paid more if I bought a prebuild with the same specs. I'm lucky to afford that. Many aren't. The prices are just insane and the level of entry getting worse why people who have no idea are scammed by prebuilds for under 1000, that aren't better than a potato. Their inflated prices have caused this and even now, 7 months later I don't see it stopping anytime soon.
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can over clock or under vault each game seperate at the touch of a button
@@Crawdoodle Adrenalin has been more stable than my nVidia drivers as of late. You all really need to stop trotting out a trope from 10 years ago that isn't applicable any more.
Always appreciate your utmost honesty and being as real and straightforward with us as possible. This is why we enjoy this channel so much! Good luck on your procedure.
I really appreciate you taking a moment to call out, and encourage us to view, other reviewer's videos and information. It truly shows you're in this to help other enthusiasts and the PC gaming community as a whole. Love the commitment and integrity!
I believe the last leak i saw.. and again it was a leak of a card still some time away.. so take that as u will, but it basically showed intels flagship gpu having same performance as an rtx 4070-4070 ti area.. now if the that is correct when it does come out, that will be good because im sure intel is gonna release it at a competitive price, but again if thats true, it means no one is tryna go after nvidia’s top gpu’s as of right now, which means nvidia still has free reign at the higher tier market (7900xt is competing against a “70” class card and the xtx is competing against the “80” class but will start loosing once the 4080 super releases)
@@slite3276 4080s is not the huge increase you think it is. Noone NEEDS to go after the 4090. Let them. Most of the market is stacked around 60 and 70 series anyways. If AMD can dominate price to performance at the 70-80 level and intel starts pushing into the 50-60 level nvidia will be forced to change their whole price sku because they wont go. 5060-300, 5070-500, 5080-800, 5090-1400 Though hobestly let them milk the whales. Thats fine with me.
You forgot to mention the Ti Super has less L2 cache than the 4080. That's probably part of the reason why it's not as close to a 4080 as people expected. It also has the same power limit as the 4070Ti despite having more of basically everything, I wonder if it's power limited? If you add more cores, VRAM etc but use the sane power, performance may suffer
Everyone saying its overrated and that it sucks… No it just does not. The power demand is lower than 4080, it still has a big enough cache, plenty of cuda cores and a huge one for me 2 media encoders… where can you get all of that and not run 400w on a gpu?
Really nice card, got the exact same one myself. My desk setup has the 7900 xtx with a 1440p 240hz monitor, great with reaching higher FPS especially in Multiplayer games. My main has a RTX 4080 paired with a 4K 120hz TV, I Feel the 4080 does better at 4K especially with DLSS (No image quality loss) and its good to have Ray tracing for single player games.
I upgraded from a 3070 to a 7900xt that I got second hand for £625 a few months ago. Just an AMAZING difference for my use case (LG C2, 4k 120hz), no DLSS artifacts (the "it looks better than native" stuff is absolute nonsense). AMD own nvidia on warzone/starfield for some reason, I don't need heavy rt, and for light rt applications it's fine. Software suite is far preferable (though DLSS IS better than FSR). Now, a few months later, for more money nvidia release this. I feel fine where i'm at
Thats good you're happy with your card, I think that's the single most important part. But I haven't seen a single DLSS artifact with my 4070 ti super. If you were trying to play 4K with a 3070 I could see that. Also DLSS has gotten pretty damn good the last 6 months. Btw I love my C2!!! OLED screens really do take advantage of 4K gaming
I do still like DLSS make no mistake, and if Nvidia's cards weren't outragreously, greedily priced, I would have upgraded to a 40 series card. But at 4k 120, I have everything max on absolutely everything, and as a multiplayer gamer, pathtracing while cool is something im happy to wait for etc
I think this has honestly sold me on an AMD card. I've had a 970 and a 2080 super, loved them both. My first gpu was a GTS 250. I am going team red, I was excited for the 4080 super but eh. These reviews are just eh. now I must figure out 7900xt brands to look at. My GTS was XFX, maybe I'll look at that : )
I have a 2080 (non super) but still trying to decide what I want. Power usage is actually important to me with my high energy prices so Nvidia is still better then AMD, but 7900xt just sits in such a good position right now it is very hard to ignore. At the least the 4070 TI Super didn't get worse or appear to have crazy downsides (ignoring the price of everything) and with the 16gb of ram is the only video card I would pick in their lineup (4080 is too much money for me). I won't go to 12gb as I want to keep it for 5 years or more.
@@Bag_TownOverall the best 7900XT in terms of cooling performance is the Asus TUF version, it is literally the second largest Air breathing GPU you buy, it dwarfs most 4090’s including the Strix one, it is much thicker and 5mm shorter
Good luck on your procedure. We will wait on a full Jay review. I can't wait to see a watercooled 70 ti sup tuf with the ac pushing a 57 inch odyssey g9.
RT is a feature, its not a necessity. I primarily play 1440p with NO RTand if it can hold 120fps im all grins. I think RT is nothing but a fad right now. AMD primarily focuses on Path Tracing but their Ray Tracing is getting better. I got the 7900XT for my midrange PC at $724.99 because I needed to get away from a 5700XT that was a little long in the tooth, and im loving it. That PC mostly runs my living room computing for a ALL users in my house. Now my Gaming PC in my Man Cave has got the 7900XTX with a custom loop and that thing cranks. Im sorry, but I will NEVER buy an overpriced GPU from NVidia as long as I live. They are gouging people badly and I can't support that.
Exactly why I went with Intel Arc A770, like you said, ray tracing is a feature, not a need, and like you, I generally just turn it off. I was waiting to upgrade from my GTX1060 for a while, but once covid happened, along with the crypto mining stuff, and the prices shot up, as well as cards making it to miners, but never to gamers, I decided that i'd give Intel a go, bit risky being the early adopter as it's my main gpu, but so far, no issues other than one or two minor things that got sorted quickly anyway. Nvidia are just way too greedy.
So close to 4 mil! Congrats. Atypical nVidia, if theyre not fracking their own line up they're entirely botching their naming schemes. Things are getting too hard for the consumer to try navigate through any of this super/Ti tripe
Jay, I know you're not doing "well" these days, BUT, your face at the beginning of this video PERFECTLY reflects how this card turned out. Way to play to your strengths for the situation. Prayers for you and your family, Bro.
I like seeing the 7900xt be cheaper, offer more vram, and be pretty much the same performance. Of course I'm not buying either yet, would rather wait for used market stuff. But I'll likely be getting a used 4080 super in a year or so when they announce the 5000 series
I know you guys said you didn’t have time to benchmark how you want but I LOVE the simplistic way you guys review things! I don’t always need the deep deep dive and stuff provided by the other guys.
In China where they don't have a strong "Retailer Price Alliance", the 4070TI had drop to(some card even cheaper than) 4070 super MSRP before the 4070S dropped, and 4080 had drop below 999 for almost two month now...And 4070S are already 20-30 buck under MSRP. We just need some actual market economy on the retail side.
Was honestly waiting to see a benchmark video like this to see if the 4070 ti will be able to surpass the 7900 xt in gaming now while being up to $100 more expensive but it doesn’t seem like it does, so I think I’m gonna go with a 7900 xt which has had price drops In the last couple days thankfully while being a bit faster still than the ti super
the difference between similar performing gpus crossing amd and nvidia is often per-game, i bought the 4080 only to find that the xtx performs better in almost all of the games i actually play, and i bought the 4080 because i thought it was just all around better in general than the xtx so make sure you research per-game before you buy. it wasnt a subtle difference either, i wouldve gained 10-20fps in every game i play if i went with the cheaper amd card instead
@@Dizzeke The way I see it, with Nvidia you basically pay for a fuller set of features. If you value ray tracing, frame generation and upscaling, Nvidia is the much better choice. If all you care about is rasterisation then AMD is better value. I am on the fence, but leaning slightly towards Nvidia for the extra features.
@@Dizzeke imo its less about the specific games but more about if you want Raytracing or not. If you dont care about RT go with AMD, more Power for less money, but if you want RT NV cards always perform better.
4070 costs 600 euros for me, the 4070 super costs 700 euros, 4070ti super is 1k euros, safe to presume the 4080 super will be 1250+. welcome to romania
I bought a 7900 XTX this time around. I'm starting to feel the same way about Nvidia as I do Apple. They price gouge and charge you high prices just for the hell of it. So I think I'll pass Nvidia. Team red, here we come.
I also went with a 7900xtx. My 2nd Amd gpu in over 10 years of pcgaming has been great got it at an awesome price and outperforms the 4080 which costs ~250$ more almost everywhere
They aren't 100% price gouging, AMD has so many software/firmware ect. issues meanwhile nvida is far more reliable. I will never buy or recommend amd to a non-power/savvy user because of that.
@@Casualfieldyou know, I also thought the same thing. Kept hearing people comment about driver problems. But I thought screw it, it can't be that bad. I'll save myself the $300 or $400 CAD and see how it goes. It's been many months and so far zero issues. Maybe back in the day AMD had issues, but they've been ironed out. This is coming from a Nvidia user for the last decade. The 4090 is just too far out of reach for me. Ridiculous price. The 7900 XTX is faster than the 4080 and several hundred cheaper. Oh and I should add, AMD's adrenaline software is much better than Nvidia's GeForce experience.
What, I have a 7900xt reference card, on a small case with cheap fans, never experienced a crash and Hotspot temps never pass from 82°C and avg temp in the 70's °C it's really an amazing card.
5600g (yes I know), and I play a lot of stuff, recently palworld, cp2077, rdr2, cod warzone, sea of thieves, re4 remake, rainbow six, battlefield 2042, some emulators like yuzu, psx2, cs go 2, pubg, forza horizon 5, dome eternal and again never a crash and always update the drivers without any fear of random stuff
@@anthonylong5870 You have no idea what you're talking about. The reference card doesn't even run that much hotter than the 40 series and AIB models are in the 60s.
I just got a 4070 Ti Super a couple weeks ago to complete my build from late last year (had been on a A750 in the meantime), and I'm thoroughly happy with it. I prefer nvidia software, and the card delivers everything I need and want. Yes, it's still a pricey, but below a thousand bucks for a card that can easily last me seeeeveral years, I'm good with.
Thank you Jay for content on the day you are having a procedure. Hope everything is going, or went well. Rest and take care of yourself and we look forward to more of your content! PS: Love the gaming mat!
I just bought the 7900xt last week and it's been great. Had a 3070 and the performance jump is huge. I was going back and forth btwn the 7900xt and 4070ti super but then saw that the 7900xt was 100 dollars cheaper and it was a no brianer from there. I don't care about rt since i don't think it's worth cutting your performance in half and don't play any games that supports dlls. so the question had a obvious awnser.
So i am curious on one thing. Why did you show the 4080 but not the 7900xtx? In terms of price it would seem to make sense putting it in this bracket of cards even though it is the AMD flagship.
Well if we're including AMD then yeah, those two are the best mid range value however you lose out on nvidia select software like dlss, fg etc obviously. I was strictly speaking amongst nvidia cards.@@Son37Lumiere
I've been holding off on any GPU purchases. Still holding onto my 2070 super from 2019. I've been waiting out all the covid price nonsense and the 12VHPWR cable debacles. The 4070 ti super seems like a good upgrade for me if I can get one for retail. Thanks for the review, Jay!
I'd wait until the end of the year for the new cards if you can or get a 4070 Super. This card is very disappoint. BTW, the 12VHPWR issues haven't been solved, just mitigated a bit.
@@samanthashoemaker5908yes it does, it’s a really badly designed connector as it’s good for 51 Amps at the absolute max but runs at up to 50 Amps under load, a friends 4090 caught on fire recently and took almost his entire pc with it
So we waited a whole year for an extra 5-10% more performance and another 4GB of VRAM (4070 Ti vs Ti Super). I'm glad I bought the 4070 Ti at launch. The VRAM on the 4070 Ti overclocks extremely well. Mine gained a full 100 gb/s of memory bandwidth with a quick OC.
This is what the Original Launch should have been for the pricing structure they have setup. Still more expensive than it should be but at least price for performance is closer to previous Series Cards..
at the price point and the fact that 20 GB of Vram will have longer legs is why I'm going with the 7900 XT The 4070 12GB trying to run titles at 4K and nVidia's price gouging proved to me that nVidia is not the way to go for now till they get their heads out of their back side. On another note - I hope you get to feeling better Jay -
Please take care of yourself first and foremost!!! You are way way waaaaaayyyy more important than a couple benchmarks and stuff.... We will be here whenever you feel up for it....
Am i the only one that's to the point of not giving a PooP about releases? JAY love your content keep up the good work, nothing against you or your video selection , i just feel burnt out on releases & over pricing & disappointing benchmarks. I'm so tired about hearing NVIDIA & AMD talk about frame generation & DLSwhat ever. Make cards with better raw performance that's what people want, we don't want to have to enable fake fps.... This is coming from a guy who build a top end rig during the pandemic.. for reference. i don't know is it just me or does it feel like these companies think we are all complete morons & will just keep buying up there garbage no mater what they put out & at what price????
Really don’t understand the pricing in Europe. Just bought the 4070ti (upgrade from a 1080) and thought about returning the card going for the ti super but the ti was about 900€ and the super is about 1200€. Like i don’t understand how it should compete wirh the 4070 ti?! The 4080 is about 1400€+
so glad I decided to hold off on the 7900xt! needed a card that could run blender as well as play games at 1440p but almost fell for the vram panic. The 4070 ti super is perfect for me!
I run games in 4K ultra settings on my 4070 ti super no problem at all. DLSS set to max quality. Starfield I'm getting 80fps in big cities. Cyberpunk im getting 50 - 60fps with pathtracing. Rust and Tarkov I'm getting 120fps. It's a very solid card. And I love the RT performance.
If you ignore AMD completely, as I have for my whole life due to some very bad experiences, then the 7900xt or even the xtx don't even enter the equation. So I don't see any problem here. Just ordered my 4070ti super and couldn't be happier. If I ordered any AMD, I wouldn't be happy now. I would be worried and anxious.
this card reminds me of the days when we had SE, LE or XT versions which were slightly worse, like my GF4 ti 4800SE, or the 6800XT etc... Back in those days this thing would have been called a RTX4080SE, which to me sounds like a better name then "Ti Super". Come to think of it, the AMD 7900GRE is pretty much this idea, although that china specific name is kinda weird over here in the west. Jay, all the best wishes with whatever medical stuff you are going through man, props for doing this video in a single day
XT has always been the good version, at least with AMD, although they would occasionally throw out some even higher one (but usually just a slight overclock), like XTX or XT PE, but yeah, Nvidia used it for a weaker version, at least that one time. GS is a weird one, it used to mean "golden sample", but later it was used for weaker cards (e.g. 8800 GS).
Back in those days there're only 3 model numbers on the product stack each generation at the given time for both green and red team. And they've used entirely different GPU for each model number so they set suffixes to indicate that the given GPU model is a full version, normally cut down version, or severely cut down version of the same GPU. Normally there're only class 8 for high end, 6 for mid end, and whatever indicated the low end class that can either be 2 3 or 4 according to that generation; class 9 7 and 5 will only appear in mid-gen update to replace 8 6 and 2/3/4 in their place with slightly better specs; and all of these will also have suffix to indicated the more proper or lesser model on the same chip as well. It take to only as late as 2009, the generation of Radeon HD 4000 and Geforce 200 series, that both company seems to decide to move the "severely cut down" version of each class to new stack, from that point onward class 7 stand for mid-high end and 5 stand for mid-low end and 9 only reserved for ultra high end that is dual GPU; though soon AMD reshuffle it to make class 9 an high end single chip and then move the rest of the lineup one step down the stack. Since then things become more simpler as there're always at least 5 classes of products but only 2 products of the same class at most each generation, the one for each class and the other for in between the class that is a step better from a class lower so it's that class with Ti in case of Nvidia, confusion solved. On AMD side it's just have a pro chip and XT chip with XT have more core open for the same class of chip as non XT aka "pro" if not have the chip fully opened, last two digit in model number that are 50 and 70 in Radeon HD era and model without and with X in Radeon R200 and R300 era mean the same thing as non-XT and XT, the cutdown and the full product of the same class and the even more cutdown version of the chip will be put in lower class instead, so they have only 2 products in a class the same way as Nvidia. Then the problem will appear if they want to refresh the product lineup mid-generation, after they simplified product stack so 9 7 5 become their own classes, usually they just tossed number 5 after the product class number (which is the last digit of model number or if the product model end with 00 it will be 50 in the mid-gen refresh); however, in case of Nvidia they used Ti instead since Geforce 500 Series in order to make the mid-gen product fall in between each class that has been released before, and most of the time Ti isn't exised throughout the entire lineup so it never has a problem but then the time when they need to refresh the lineup mid gen come and they have to replace some product that already have Ti in its model or decide to replace it with new stack entirely and not slide in between the existing stack, so they have to come up with Super and Super model replaced the non-Super model in its place. I don't think all of this is confusing at all. And It's much better than the day when suffixes indicated the severely cut down version of a chip of a certain class still a thing.
@@ocudagledam The Golden Sample thing was only one brand though wasnt it? Gainward i think. But yeah, Ati using XT for good cards while nvidia had the 6800XT was weird
4070 Ti Super is a clunky name, but imagine if Nvidiia had refused to budge on calling it the 4080 (12 GB)? Would that then be called the RTX 4080 (12 GB) Super (16 GB)? RTX 4080 Not Quite Super?
I was lucky and got a 4070 ti last year for 750 @ Microcenter but this, 4070ti super, would be more compelling now. Great video, thanks Jay and team! 🙌
@@rustler08Nothing superior about AMD. Until they catch up with ray tracing, and constant crashing from only their cards, that’s a no from me. That’s not even starting on software compatibility.
Been daily driving a 7900 XTX in my rig and a 7800 XT in my wife's for a bit now, longer on mine than hers, and honestly, I never understand comments like this as we have had ZERO issues with either card. My kids PC's on the other hand, I cant say the same thing. One 4070, and two 4060 Ti's ---- Each have had either heating issues or driver problems. It could just be a bad run of luck with those three, but to completely dismiss a brand, assuming all have the same issues (that you've probably only read about, not experienced personally), is just blind preaching. @@You_Do_Care
Dear Jay, been watching your videos since 2018 and really enjoyed the Star Wars Unlimited power parodies and other projects you have done over the years. Wish you all the best in your surgery and your recovery ;-)
Glad you enjoy your card but it's such a shame that you got ripped off essentially. You could have had a 7900 XTX for around $300 less and it beats the 4080 much of the time.
@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenterI mean it doesn't get beat out by that much plus if ray tracing is their thing then the 4080 is better in ray tracing compared to the xtx plus the efficiency of the 4080 makes it better then the xtx in the long run. Both cards have their pros and cons
Just upgraded from a 1070 ti (which cost me about 500$) to a 4070 (also around 500$) and the improvement is insane. hoping that the next series of cards can stay around the same price as 500$ because going over that is a little too much for my needs lol
I've been rocking a 2080 Super for thr last few years and it seems like it might be worth upgrading now for me personally. I might try to get a 4070 Ti Super if they stay at MSRP. If they don't and suddenly skyrocket, I'll try looking at used 4080 cards.
@@steviewonder0850 right almost near double but can't help. that's cheapest GPU wd 16gb vram and i was waiting since months for this refresh.. it will cost me 1000 bucks in india which is equal to 83k rupees. i bought my 3070 at 60k 3yrs back at 800 bucks when US dollar was 73 RS. now its at 83Rs
Hope everything goes well in the coming days Jay. As always the way it has been lately, buying a lightly used current or last gen card is still the best option. (Unless you have excess discretionary funds, then just go buy whatever you want...)
What I got from this video is the 7800 xt is the only card worth buying right now .. and if you got a couple hundred more bucks just get a 7900 xt ... AMD is killing it Nvidia is killing themselves .
Nvidia has already elevated they have the better around cards on top of that, They have 2 of top cards which will be the 4080 super & 4090 that amd cannot beat with they too 2 cards.Even Nvidia lowers end cards beat all of amd cards feature wise & in Raytracing so it seems like to me Amd needs to elevate there the ones behind the 8 ball!😂😂
Thanks for all the vid card goodness Jay, your dedication in getting this out on short notice is appreciated. Good luck on the procedure, the community is behind ya.
I am 100% with you Jay, the 4080 should have launched at $900 When i saw the 300mm 192 bit RTX 3060 going for $900 on ebay, i just knew the next generation would have a ~300mm 192 bit card at $900 or more And wouldnt you know it, i was right They tried to launch the 12GB 4080 at $900 Why were people upset? Not because we got a 300mm class hardware traditionally ascociated with the 60 class with XX80 name, no, because we got both a 60, and 70 class hardware spec with an XX80 name The other part i got right before official availability of the 40 series was the fair MSRP of the 60 class die used in the 4070 through 4070TI. With the 4070 Super effectively confirming that the 4070TI could have been sold for $529-599, and the 4070 for $449-499 What has me confused is the 4090 being only $100 more for the same die and membus, when the 4070TI is nearly 3x the price for the same die size and membus as last gen's 12GB 3060 Unlike the rest of the ENTIRE ADA series(before these new launches) the 4090 is not using a down-classed die and memorybus sure it is cut down, but it is no less costly to manufacture than a full die, it is on the 600mm 384 bit manufacturing class of hardware, the same as the 3090, or the GP100, or 980TI(2080TI was a weird gen that was oversized with the 2080TI being 750mm) Unless TSMC 4nm is that bad, they're losing money buy how much they're cutting it down, and not selling it for the same mark up as the rest of the ADA series by charging ~ $3600(same percentage increase from the ~300mm 3060, to the ~300mm 4070TI)
I really annoyed with NVDIA I bought a 4070ti about a month ago because I thought they would do what NVDIA usually does and try to price gauge us the consumer, I know I should've waited and that's on me. Yes your right they should of released at an actual proper MSRP that represents the card!
Good luck with your procedure Jay! Take care of yourself first, the benchmarks will still be there.
Plot twist jay is going to benchmark himself
@@esrtradajessehe’ll need some custom cooling or there is sure to be some throttling haha
What's happened to him🇮🇳🙏?
@@chappanagentpossibly cancer
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Last week, the 4070 Super slotted in between the 4070 and 4070 Ti. This week, the Ti Super comes in between the Ti and the 4080. Next week, the 4080 Super will come in between the 4080 and 4090. There, Jay....job done. Now, go take care of yourself.
I mean he still needs to pay those medical bills so...
4080S is not gonna be between lol. Gonna be barely better.
@@uskiuski7863 bruh thats what between means... "barely better than a 4080" means 4080s is between a 4080 and a 4090...
@@XxAtomic646xX yes 1% between is literally 'between' but thats genuinely not what people are expecting so... wow.
You thought you were making a real strong point here didnt you.
@@uskiuski7863relax. I doubt they trynna defend the card or the brand lmao. Probably just being pedantic, in which case, yes being 1% better than the lower limit of a range qualifies as being between the lower and upper limits of the range haha
So, that's why they cut the memory bus on the 4000 series cards. They wanted to make the Ti super cards seems more super.
Or they wanted to make the 50 Series look more better. (Was my Guess a Year ago when those GPUs came out)
Well - at least we know now they will not sell their 5000 cards well if they try the same tactics.
marketing..games.... oh im sorry I mean practices :)
They wanted to make the Super Duper TiSuper
@@ChristianHeid7 Well just because it doesnt work anymore doesnt mean a RTX 5070 that is 40% better wont sell for 600 (or even 700) Dollars next Gen in about 3/4 Year.
I hope you're doing well Jay. They've been hosing us all along, and most of us knew it. Hopefully the red team can cook up something good and sell it for dirt cheap. I'm still on my 2070 super - and it's getting tired, almost as tired as I am with nvidias shit.
I'm kind of disappointed there wasn't at *LEAST* a $50 price cut on the 7800XT. If they cut the price of the 7800XT to $449 and the 7700XT for $399 they'd sell like hotcakes.
Waiting for Battlemage to come out 😂easily a 4080 for $450.
I'm still on the 2080 super 😂 still fine keeping it until its dead
No matter how the 4080 Super performs, I look at my 4080 and feel bad. Thanks nVidia!!
Feeling really good about suggesting the 7900XT to 2 friends I built for recently though!
One of my buddies was coming from a GTX 1070 and it was doing fine but he wanted to upgrade and another buddy was trying to upsell him on an RTX 3070 which was gonna cost around $450 then and it would have been hard for him to spend that much on a GPU with all the other upgrades as well so I suggested the 6700 XT and he hasnt looked back, its been flawless for him the whole time
I'll take your 4080 lol.
the fact that you know and still appreciate some of your audience well enough to sum it up before you start is just gold. thanks Jay.
I always shop for a good price to perfomance ratio. This is why i stepped away from Nvidia last year and seeing what they do i do not regret this. This is no company i want to support at the moment - not when there's FINALLY a alternative that gives me the same performance for less money. Be well Jay - and good luck !!!
Hope your procedure goes well and wishing you a speedy recovery.
I paid 880€ for my 4070Ti Super ProArt and am very happy with the performance. I wanted to stay under 1000 for a card because I have to invest more in a processor because I need more power when working from home. I paid just over 3000 for all parts of my system and probably would have paid more if I bought a prebuild with the same specs. I'm lucky to afford that. Many aren't. The prices are just insane and the level of entry getting worse why people who have no idea are scammed by prebuilds for under 1000, that aren't better than a potato. Their inflated prices have caused this and even now, 7 months later I don't see it stopping anytime soon.
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can over clock or under vault each game seperate at the touch of a button
that's true, and now we can actually have benchmarks that take AFMF into account, since DLSS 3 frame gen isn't available in every dx11/12 game.
Sure, if you can get Adrenalin to work correctly without bugging out.
Does AMD have something like NVIDIA shadow play and the NVIDIA game filters?
@@Crawdoodle Adrenalin has been more stable than my nVidia drivers as of late.
You all really need to stop trotting out a trope from 10 years ago that isn't applicable any more.
@@Crawdoodle7000 series dont suffer from driver issues that 5000 series did. Stop it
I'm good with my 7900 xtx card has been a beast since I got it.
Don’t be scared, turn on rt
I didn't even use RT with my old 3080 super pointless imo
@@bigbo1764 raytracing is basically pointless on every card besides a 4090.
@@Alborahit's pointless on a 4090 too.
@@Alborah Even the 4090 is slow with path tracing.
Always appreciate your utmost honesty and being as real and straightforward with us as possible. This is why we enjoy this channel so much! Good luck on your procedure.
I like the shots where the charts are on a screen next to Jay and just a quick zoom in for details. Nice touch.
I really appreciate you taking a moment to call out, and encourage us to view, other reviewer's videos and information. It truly shows you're in this to help other enthusiasts and the PC gaming community as a whole. Love the commitment and integrity!
I'm hoping for Intel to come up with something that will shake the market. I know it may take some time, but my RTX 2080 is still meeting my needs.
And I'm hoping for a holodeck.
@@GamesFromSpace😂. I'll settle for a decent pair of VR gloves.
I believe the last leak i saw.. and again it was a leak of a card still some time away.. so take that as u will, but it basically showed intels flagship gpu having same performance as an rtx 4070-4070 ti area.. now if the that is correct when it does come out, that will be good because im sure intel is gonna release it at a competitive price, but again if thats true, it means no one is tryna go after nvidia’s top gpu’s as of right now, which means nvidia still has free reign at the higher tier market (7900xt is competing against a “70” class card and the xtx is competing against the “80” class but will start loosing once the 4080 super releases)
Battlemage is at most being expected to hit a 4070 ti for 400ish dollars. Which I will totally pick up coming from a 5700xt
@@slite3276 4080s is not the huge increase you think it is.
Noone NEEDS to go after the 4090. Let them. Most of the market is stacked around 60 and 70 series anyways. If AMD can dominate price to performance at the 70-80 level and intel starts pushing into the 50-60 level nvidia will be forced to change their whole price sku because they wont go. 5060-300, 5070-500, 5080-800, 5090-1400
Though hobestly let them milk the whales. Thats fine with me.
You forgot to mention the Ti Super has less L2 cache than the 4080. That's probably part of the reason why it's not as close to a 4080 as people expected.
It also has the same power limit as the 4070Ti despite having more of basically everything, I wonder if it's power limited? If you add more cores, VRAM etc but use the sane power, performance may suffer
Everyone saying its overrated and that it sucks… No it just does not. The power demand is lower than 4080, it still has a big enough cache, plenty of cuda cores and a huge one for me 2 media encoders… where can you get all of that and not run 400w on a gpu?
@@YAXHY Simpe. RX 7900XT
I am so happy, I got the 7900XT nitro from sapphire last year. Thought I made a bad decision.
Really nice card, got the exact same one myself. My desk setup has the 7900 xtx with a 1440p 240hz monitor, great with reaching higher FPS especially in Multiplayer games.
My main has a RTX 4080 paired with a 4K 120hz TV, I Feel the 4080 does better at 4K especially with DLSS (No image quality loss) and its good to have Ray tracing for single player games.
I bought a 7800 and I'm completely happy with the performance
I upgraded from a 3070 to a 7900xt that I got second hand for £625 a few months ago. Just an AMAZING difference for my use case (LG C2, 4k 120hz), no DLSS artifacts (the "it looks better than native" stuff is absolute nonsense). AMD own nvidia on warzone/starfield for some reason, I don't need heavy rt, and for light rt applications it's fine. Software suite is far preferable (though DLSS IS better than FSR). Now, a few months later, for more money nvidia release this. I feel fine where i'm at
I’m doing a new build and going from a 3070 to a 7900xt and 7800x3d. It’s been 3 years since I did a new build. This will b-e my first time using AMD.
@@Nate-lp2cu You'll love it mate :D Just make sure to use a GPU bracket/support, they're heavy things!
Thats good you're happy with your card, I think that's the single most important part. But I haven't seen a single DLSS artifact with my 4070 ti super. If you were trying to play 4K with a 3070 I could see that. Also DLSS has gotten pretty damn good the last 6 months.
Btw I love my C2!!! OLED screens really do take advantage of 4K gaming
I do still like DLSS make no mistake, and if Nvidia's cards weren't outragreously, greedily priced, I would have upgraded to a 40 series card. But at 4k 120, I have everything max on absolutely everything, and as a multiplayer gamer, pathtracing while cool is something im happy to wait for etc
What psu are you using? Any regrets on buying 7900?
Hope the procedure goes well! Wishing you a quick but full recovery.
Good luck with your procedure!
I'm in the same camp when it comes to the GPU pricing...this just proves they could have done better from the start.
I just ordered a 7900xt for $709 + a free game worth $70. So I am happy about my purchase.
Got a 7900xt at $720 and man i couldnt be happier.
Hey, what model did you get, and what's the hot spot temp. Going to get one next week
@@IngeniousReaper i got the hellhound one. It was newegg. For 720 after a coupon discount plus avatar frontier of pandora promo code
I got the ASRock Phantom Gaming one and i love it.
@@Frashsibit what's the hotspot temp on it?
@@IngeniousReaper I have not checked yet, i will now.
I think this has honestly sold me on an AMD card. I've had a 970 and a 2080 super, loved them both. My first gpu was a GTS 250.
I am going team red, I was excited for the 4080 super but eh. These reviews are just eh.
now I must figure out 7900xt brands to look at.
My GTS was XFX, maybe I'll look at that : )
I have the XFX card and it's been fantastic. I've had sapphire cards in the past that are great as well.
I have a 2080 (non super) but still trying to decide what I want. Power usage is actually important to me with my high energy prices so Nvidia is still better then AMD, but 7900xt just sits in such a good position right now it is very hard to ignore. At the least the 4070 TI Super didn't get worse or appear to have crazy downsides (ignoring the price of everything) and with the 16gb of ram is the only video card I would pick in their lineup (4080 is too much money for me). I won't go to 12gb as I want to keep it for 5 years or more.
@@Bag_Town Me too zero issues and it eats up games especially at 1440p great card!
@@Bag_TownOverall the best 7900XT in terms of cooling performance is the Asus TUF version, it is literally the second largest Air breathing GPU you buy, it dwarfs most 4090’s including the Strix one, it is much thicker and 5mm shorter
Good luck on your procedure. We will wait on a full Jay review. I can't wait to see a watercooled 70 ti sup tuf with the ac pushing a 57 inch odyssey g9.
RT is a feature, its not a necessity. I primarily play 1440p with NO RTand if it can hold 120fps im all grins. I think RT is nothing but a fad right now. AMD primarily focuses on Path Tracing but their Ray Tracing is getting better. I got the 7900XT for my midrange PC at $724.99 because I needed to get away from a 5700XT that was a little long in the tooth, and im loving it. That PC mostly runs my living room computing for a ALL users in my house. Now my Gaming PC in my Man Cave has got the 7900XTX with a custom loop and that thing cranks. Im sorry, but I will NEVER buy an overpriced GPU from NVidia as long as I live. They are gouging people badly and I can't support that.
Exactly why I went with Intel Arc A770, like you said, ray tracing is a feature, not a need, and like you, I generally just turn it off. I was waiting to upgrade from my GTX1060 for a while, but once covid happened, along with the crypto mining stuff, and the prices shot up, as well as cards making it to miners, but never to gamers, I decided that i'd give Intel a go, bit risky being the early adopter as it's my main gpu, but so far, no issues other than one or two minor things that got sorted quickly anyway.
Nvidia are just way too greedy.
Dlss is worth it
I bought my first AMD card last week. So far I'm not disappointed.
So close to 4 mil! Congrats. Atypical nVidia, if theyre not fracking their own line up they're entirely botching their naming schemes. Things are getting too hard for the consumer to try navigate through any of this super/Ti tripe
Jay, I know you're not doing "well" these days, BUT, your face at the beginning of this video PERFECTLY reflects how this card turned out. Way to play to your strengths for the situation. Prayers for you and your family, Bro.
I like seeing the 7900xt be cheaper, offer more vram, and be pretty much the same performance. Of course I'm not buying either yet, would rather wait for used market stuff. But I'll likely be getting a used 4080 super in a year or so when they announce the 5000 series
I know you guys said you didn’t have time to benchmark how you want but I LOVE the simplistic way you guys review things! I don’t always need the deep deep dive and stuff provided by the other guys.
In China where they don't have a strong "Retailer Price Alliance", the 4070TI had drop to(some card even cheaper than) 4070 super MSRP before the 4070S dropped, and 4080 had drop below 999 for almost two month now...And 4070S are already 20-30 buck under MSRP.
We just need some actual market economy on the retail side.
Good luck with the procedure Jay! Speedy recovery
Was honestly waiting to see a benchmark video like this to see if the 4070 ti will be able to surpass the 7900 xt in gaming now while being up to $100 more expensive but it doesn’t seem like it does, so I think I’m gonna go with a 7900 xt which has had price drops In the last couple days thankfully while being a bit faster still than the ti super
the difference between similar performing gpus crossing amd and nvidia is often per-game, i bought the 4080 only to find that the xtx performs better in almost all of the games i actually play, and i bought the 4080 because i thought it was just all around better in general than the xtx so make sure you research per-game before you buy. it wasnt a subtle difference either, i wouldve gained 10-20fps in every game i play if i went with the cheaper amd card instead
@@Dizzeke The way I see it, with Nvidia you basically pay for a fuller set of features. If you value ray tracing, frame generation and upscaling, Nvidia is the much better choice. If all you care about is rasterisation then AMD is better value. I am on the fence, but leaning slightly towards Nvidia for the extra features.
@@Dizzeke imo its less about the specific games but more about if you want Raytracing or not. If you dont care about RT go with AMD, more Power for less money, but if you want RT NV cards always perform better.
@@Badtzismbetter drivers for NVIDIA
And it has more RAM too
Just bought the 4070Ti Super, and it's on the AD102 dye :) I'm really happy with the card
4070 costs 600 euros for me, the 4070 super costs 700 euros, 4070ti super is 1k euros, safe to presume the 4080 super will be 1250+. welcome to romania
Netherlands same the 4070 ti super and 7900xtx about the same price point here
@@DoubleDrastikyou probably make 2 to 4 times what he makes in Romania
Thank you jay for Same machine test and benchmarks.. also same settings verified.. your already 1000 times better than linus..
I bought a 7900 XTX this time around. I'm starting to feel the same way about Nvidia as I do Apple. They price gouge and charge you high prices just for the hell of it. So I think I'll pass Nvidia. Team red, here we come.
I also went with a 7900xtx. My 2nd Amd gpu in over 10 years of pcgaming has been great got it at an awesome price and outperforms the 4080 which costs ~250$ more almost everywhere
They aren't 100% price gouging, AMD has so many software/firmware ect. issues meanwhile nvida is far more reliable. I will never buy or recommend amd to a non-power/savvy user because of that.
@@Casualfieldyou know, I also thought the same thing. Kept hearing people comment about driver problems. But I thought screw it, it can't be that bad. I'll save myself the $300 or $400 CAD and see how it goes. It's been many months and so far zero issues. Maybe back in the day AMD had issues, but they've been ironed out. This is coming from a Nvidia user for the last decade. The 4090 is just too far out of reach for me. Ridiculous price. The 7900 XTX is faster than the 4080 and several hundred cheaper. Oh and I should add, AMD's adrenaline software is much better than Nvidia's GeForce experience.
@@Casualfield wow you got destroyed in the comments. they are 100% price gouging your are just embarrassing yourself at this point
@@2518josh Wow thanks for the update dude people like you are really valuable in this world and will definitely be missed when you're gone
You’re the man, got straight to the point in the first 10 seconds, Love to see it 😂
Don't forget the 7900XT can overclock like a bat out of hell!
Yeah! So you can make its already overheating even HOTTER! lol
Yup SAM and OC and you have a whole different ball game.
What, I have a 7900xt reference card, on a small case with cheap fans, never experienced a crash and Hotspot temps never pass from 82°C and avg temp in the 70's °C it's really an amazing card.
5600g (yes I know), and I play a lot of stuff, recently palworld, cp2077, rdr2, cod warzone, sea of thieves, re4 remake, rainbow six, battlefield 2042, some emulators like yuzu, psx2, cs go 2, pubg, forza horizon 5, dome eternal and again never a crash and always update the drivers without any fear of random stuff
@@anthonylong5870 You have no idea what you're talking about. The reference card doesn't even run that much hotter than the 40 series and AIB models are in the 60s.
The sincerity of this Channel is gold. G-d bless Jay and crew!
Kind of hard to recommend any of these Super cards with the RX 7800 XT less than a 4070 and a 7900 XT for less than a 4070Ti.
I just got a 4070 Ti Super a couple weeks ago to complete my build from late last year (had been on a A750 in the meantime), and I'm thoroughly happy with it. I prefer nvidia software, and the card delivers everything I need and want. Yes, it's still a pricey, but below a thousand bucks for a card that can easily last me seeeeveral years, I'm good with.
Thank you Jay for content on the day you are having a procedure. Hope everything is going, or went well. Rest and take care of yourself and we look forward to more of your content! PS: Love the gaming mat!
I hope your procedure went well Jay and wish you a speed recovery. Hope you get some well earned rest too.
Im waiting for the Ti Super Duper cards
I’m waiting for the ti super duper pooper ultra nitro cards tbh 🤷♂️
I just bought the 7900xt last week and it's been great. Had a 3070 and the performance jump is huge. I was going back and forth btwn the 7900xt and 4070ti super but then saw that the 7900xt was 100 dollars cheaper and it was a no brianer from there. I don't care about rt since i don't think it's worth cutting your performance in half and don't play any games that supports dlls. so the question had a obvious awnser.
So i am curious on one thing. Why did you show the 4080 but not the 7900xtx? In terms of price it would seem to make sense putting it in this bracket of cards even though it is the AMD flagship.
This may have been a quick review under unfavorable conditions, but your take is spot on, well done.
Be well and take care of yourself.
Imo, this really highlights that the rtx 4070 super is the best value on the market atm. The price to performance to energy efficiency cant be beat.
Not really, it's still $600 for a mid range GPU. The 7800 XT offers similar value, if not better.
Well if we're including AMD then yeah, those two are the best mid range value however you lose out on nvidia select software like dlss, fg etc obviously. I was strictly speaking amongst nvidia cards.@@Son37Lumiere
Eh if the 4070 super had more vram like the 7800xt that would have made it so much better!
I have a 4070 ti Super and I’m coming from a 2080 ti FE. I’m very impressed by the performance by this card.
I've been holding off on any GPU purchases. Still holding onto my 2070 super from 2019. I've been waiting out all the covid price nonsense and the 12VHPWR cable debacles. The 4070 ti super seems like a good upgrade for me if I can get one for retail. Thanks for the review, Jay!
I'd wait until the end of the year for the new cards if you can or get a 4070 Super. This card is very disappoint. BTW, the 12VHPWR issues haven't been solved, just mitigated a bit.
@@aapjeDoes 12V 2x6 has any safety issues
I'd either wait for the 4080 Super or get a 4070 Super. Both are amazing prices for their shear insane power.
@@samanthashoemaker5908 you mean 6+2 pice? I am running 2x 6+2 so no, no safety issues {12vhpwr was an issue with 4090s and sometimes 4080}
@@samanthashoemaker5908yes it does, it’s a really badly designed connector as it’s good for 51 Amps at the absolute max but runs at up to 50 Amps under load, a friends 4090 caught on fire recently and took almost his entire pc with it
So we waited a whole year for an extra 5-10% more performance and another 4GB of VRAM (4070 Ti vs Ti Super). I'm glad I bought the 4070 Ti at launch. The VRAM on the 4070 Ti overclocks extremely well. Mine gained a full 100 gb/s of memory bandwidth with a quick OC.
This is what the Original Launch should have been for the pricing structure they have setup. Still more expensive than it should be but at least price for performance is closer to previous Series Cards..
Yes but now it seems like its a great deal.
Yes but now it seems like its a great deal.
Yes but now it seems like its a great deal.
at the price point and the fact that 20 GB of Vram will have longer legs is why I'm going with the 7900 XT
The 4070 12GB trying to run titles at 4K and nVidia's price gouging proved to me that nVidia is not the way to go for now till they get their heads out of their back side.
On another note - I hope you get to feeling better Jay -
Waiting for the 4070 TI Super Pro Max Ultra Turbo Alpha Hyper Champion Edition
(OC)
You forgot the "EX Plus Dash".
Please take care of yourself first and foremost!!! You are way way waaaaaayyyy more important than a couple benchmarks and stuff....
We will be here whenever you feel up for it....
Hope your procedure goes flawlessly and helps you a lot. God bless Jay.
Am i the only one that's to the point of not giving a PooP about releases?
JAY love your content keep up the good work, nothing against you or your video selection , i just feel burnt out on releases & over pricing & disappointing benchmarks. I'm so tired about hearing NVIDIA & AMD talk about frame generation & DLSwhat ever. Make cards with better raw performance that's what people want, we don't want to have to enable fake fps.... This is coming from a guy who build a top end rig during the pandemic.. for reference. i don't know is it just me or does it feel like these companies think we are all complete morons & will just keep buying up there garbage no mater what they put out & at what price????
Really don’t understand the pricing in Europe. Just bought the 4070ti (upgrade from a 1080) and thought about returning the card going for the ti super but the ti was about 900€ and the super is about 1200€. Like i don’t understand how it should compete wirh the 4070 ti?! The 4080 is about 1400€+
Import costs plus VAT : comparing US prices and EU prices cannot be done directly.
I know that but how can the 4070 ti super replace the 4070 ti if its like 300€ more expensive.
so glad I decided to hold off on the 7900xt! needed a card that could run blender as well as play games at 1440p but almost fell for the vram panic. The 4070 ti super is perfect for me!
I run games in 4K ultra settings on my 4070 ti super no problem at all. DLSS set to max quality. Starfield I'm getting 80fps in big cities. Cyberpunk im getting 50 - 60fps with pathtracing. Rust and Tarkov I'm getting 120fps.
It's a very solid card. And I love the RT performance.
8 months later the 7900XT now as low as 629.
If you ignore AMD completely, as I have for my whole life due to some very bad experiences, then the 7900xt or even the xtx don't even enter the equation.
So I don't see any problem here. Just ordered my 4070ti super and couldn't be happier.
If I ordered any AMD, I wouldn't be happy now. I would be worried and anxious.
yessir, right with you.
waiting for my 4070 ti super as we speak.
Any update with how performance has been with yours?!
@@VineXkurupt It's still not here. Arriving in 2 days.
Free shipping and all that xD
Nvidia is selling more 7900XT’s than AMD’s marketing can.
Get healthy my brother. Good luck with the docs and I hope we see you soon. You have lots of fans(friends) that will be there with you. 😎
It would have been good to see a 7800 xt just to see where it falls in the list vs price
the 7800 XT is about $550
@@xNotFatalx ya in uk its $500 to £550 convert that to us dollers. Still it would have been good to see where it falls in that list.
@@xNotFatalx You can readily get 7800 XTs for $500 direct from AMD with AIB models not much more.
good luck jay hope everything goes well. i was running a 1050 ti and saw what nvidia was doing so i got a rx 6700 . now i am team RED.
this card reminds me of the days when we had SE, LE or XT versions which were slightly worse, like my GF4 ti 4800SE, or the 6800XT etc... Back in those days this thing would have been called a RTX4080SE, which to me sounds like a better name then "Ti Super". Come to think of it, the AMD 7900GRE is pretty much this idea, although that china specific name is kinda weird over here in the west.
Jay, all the best wishes with whatever medical stuff you are going through man, props for doing this video in a single day
XT has always been the good version, at least with AMD, although they would occasionally throw out some even higher one (but usually just a slight overclock), like XTX or XT PE, but yeah, Nvidia used it for a weaker version, at least that one time. GS is a weird one, it used to mean "golden sample", but later it was used for weaker cards (e.g. 8800 GS).
Back in those days there're only 3 model numbers on the product stack each generation at the given time for both green and red team. And they've used entirely different GPU for each model number so they set suffixes to indicate that the given GPU model is a full version, normally cut down version, or severely cut down version of the same GPU. Normally there're only class 8 for high end, 6 for mid end, and whatever indicated the low end class that can either be 2 3 or 4 according to that generation; class 9 7 and 5 will only appear in mid-gen update to replace 8 6 and 2/3/4 in their place with slightly better specs; and all of these will also have suffix to indicated the more proper or lesser model on the same chip as well.
It take to only as late as 2009, the generation of Radeon HD 4000 and Geforce 200 series, that both company seems to decide to move the "severely cut down" version of each class to new stack, from that point onward class 7 stand for mid-high end and 5 stand for mid-low end and 9 only reserved for ultra high end that is dual GPU; though soon AMD reshuffle it to make class 9 an high end single chip and then move the rest of the lineup one step down the stack. Since then things become more simpler as there're always at least 5 classes of products but only 2 products of the same class at most each generation, the one for each class and the other for in between the class that is a step better from a class lower so it's that class with Ti in case of Nvidia, confusion solved. On AMD side it's just have a pro chip and XT chip with XT have more core open for the same class of chip as non XT aka "pro" if not have the chip fully opened, last two digit in model number that are 50 and 70 in Radeon HD era and model without and with X in Radeon R200 and R300 era mean the same thing as non-XT and XT, the cutdown and the full product of the same class and the even more cutdown version of the chip will be put in lower class instead, so they have only 2 products in a class the same way as Nvidia.
Then the problem will appear if they want to refresh the product lineup mid-generation, after they simplified product stack so 9 7 5 become their own classes, usually they just tossed number 5 after the product class number (which is the last digit of model number or if the product model end with 00 it will be 50 in the mid-gen refresh); however, in case of Nvidia they used Ti instead since Geforce 500 Series in order to make the mid-gen product fall in between each class that has been released before, and most of the time Ti isn't exised throughout the entire lineup so it never has a problem but then the time when they need to refresh the lineup mid gen come and they have to replace some product that already have Ti in its model or decide to replace it with new stack entirely and not slide in between the existing stack, so they have to come up with Super and Super model replaced the non-Super model in its place.
I don't think all of this is confusing at all. And It's much better than the day when suffixes indicated the severely cut down version of a chip of a certain class still a thing.
Or when they did GTX, GTS, GT
@@ocudagledam The Golden Sample thing was only one brand though wasnt it? Gainward i think. But yeah, Ati using XT for good cards while nvidia had the 6800XT was weird
The energy you had in the intro is how I felt about the release.
Best of luck with the procedure Jay!
4070 Ti Super is a clunky name, but imagine if Nvidiia had refused to budge on calling it the 4080 (12 GB)?
Would that then be called the RTX 4080 (12 GB) Super (16 GB)? RTX 4080 Not Quite Super?
I got my 4070 Ti Super, and I absolutely love it!!
I was searching for this just now hahah. 12 seconds. Thanks for the info.
I like the forecast on the 4080S at the end of the video. So true!
I was lucky and got a 4070 ti last year for 750 @ Microcenter but this, 4070ti super, would be more compelling now. Great video, thanks Jay and team! 🙌
I got the 4070 ti 12 gb for less than 750$. Got lucky towards end of year.
There's nothing lucky about a 4070 Ti for $750.
You could have had a superior 7900XT for that
he's lucky that he wasn't scammed for more. A fool and his money are easily parted. @@rustler08
@@rustler08Nothing superior about AMD. Until they catch up with ray tracing, and constant crashing from only their cards, that’s a no from me. That’s not even starting on software compatibility.
Been daily driving a 7900 XTX in my rig and a 7800 XT in my wife's for a bit now, longer on mine than hers, and honestly, I never understand comments like this as we have had ZERO issues with either card.
My kids PC's on the other hand, I cant say the same thing. One 4070, and two 4060 Ti's ---- Each have had either heating issues or driver problems. It could just be a bad run of luck with those three, but to completely dismiss a brand, assuming all have the same issues (that you've probably only read about, not experienced personally), is just blind preaching. @@You_Do_Care
Dear Jay, been watching your videos since 2018 and really enjoyed the Star Wars Unlimited power parodies and other projects you have done over the years. Wish you all the best in your surgery and your recovery ;-)
I went from a rx580 to a 4080 such a good upgrade 👍
Glad you enjoy your card but it's such a shame that you got ripped off essentially. You could have had a 7900 XTX for around $300 less and it beats the 4080 much of the time.
@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenterI mean it doesn't get beat out by that much plus if ray tracing is their thing then the 4080 is better in ray tracing compared to the xtx plus the efficiency of the 4080 makes it better then the xtx in the long run. Both cards have their pros and cons
@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter couldent go passed that dlss 3 and superior ray tracing personally 👍
@@AssassinIsAfk 💯 agree I couldent go passed the efficiency and feature set especially paired with a 7800x3d
@@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenterhe knows what he was getting, he doesn't need you to tell him if it was worth it or not
Just upgraded from a 1070 ti (which cost me about 500$) to a 4070 (also around 500$) and the improvement is insane. hoping that the next series of cards can stay around the same price as 500$ because going over that is a little too much for my needs lol
I've been rocking a 2080 Super for thr last few years and it seems like it might be worth upgrading now for me personally.
I might try to get a 4070 Ti Super if they stay at MSRP. If they don't and suddenly skyrocket, I'll try looking at used 4080 cards.
Only get the Ti Super if it's a lot cheaper. As it is, it's beaten often by the 7900 XT, which is around $100 cheaper.
7900 xt is better price per dollar don't let the nVida fanboys tell you about the drivers
get the 7900xt. I own one. The thing has crashed in a game once in 7 months. Not a big enough problem to put another 100$ in NVIDIAs pocket.
@@lemonshark7280Nah Nvidia spoiled me with dlss and raytracing something lacking hard on AMD
Good luck with your procedure. We all will be here waiting for u. Take care of your self.
here is my 3 yr old 3070 FE 8gb true successor with double the vram 😊😊😊
Double the price as well ☺🤭🤭
@@steviewonder0850 right almost near double but can't help. that's cheapest GPU wd 16gb vram and i was waiting since months for this refresh.. it will cost me 1000 bucks in india which is equal to 83k rupees. i bought my 3070 at 60k 3yrs back at 800 bucks when US dollar was 73 RS.
now its at 83Rs
Good luck jay you've already had your procedure by the time I write this so hope you recover nice and quickly all the best 😊
Hope everything goes well in the coming days Jay.
As always the way it has been lately, buying a lightly used current or last gen card is still the best option. (Unless you have excess discretionary funds, then just go buy whatever you want...)
Im shopping for a graphics card right now, was looking at a 4070 ti super. After seeing 7900xt benchmarks and finding a Asrock 7900xt for 729 im sold!
Best wishes for your procedure, and thank you for the review!
I hope you are doing better health wise. Your voice seems a bit tired. Take plenty of rest and stay away from anxiety! With much love!! :)
What I got from this video is the 7800 xt is the only card worth buying right now .. and if you got a couple hundred more bucks just get a 7900 xt ... AMD is killing it Nvidia is killing themselves .
I would definitely wait a month after 4080 super and Intel Battlemage launches.
@@rdnowlin1206 Why? Pricedrop?
@@bartmerken1844 I would think so
@@rdnowlin1206 battlemage is like half a year away at least lol
@William._._. even better. Primeday will be around then.
It sounds like the 7900xt is the card to actually get. Cheaper and nearly the same performance give or take of the 4070ti super
Too expensive Nvidia GPUs for just a GPU.
I got a used 7900 XT for $600 on Jawa. I'm happy with that.
I want to pair this with a 7800x3d
Might want to wait for 8800x3d at this point
me too aha
The team, the family, and you are in my prayers j-man; hang in there.
Got a rx 7900 xt for $689
Jays review are way better than listening to others ramble on for ever on efficiency dsta
So the takeaway I am getting from this is buy the 7900 XT or XTX and keep pressure on Nvidia to actually innovate.
Nvidia has already elevated they have the better around cards on top of that, They have 2 of top cards which will be the 4080 super & 4090 that amd cannot beat with they too 2 cards.Even Nvidia lowers end cards beat all of amd cards feature wise & in Raytracing so it seems like to me Amd needs to elevate there the ones behind the 8 ball!😂😂
Nvidia fanboys at it again with the useless raytracing HAHAHAA comical
@PaytonPreslee-xl3bp Actually, I have already planned to get AMD cards from now on. My software from work likes the extra video memory.
Can’t wait for the next release cycle when we finally get the Ti Super Ti and Super Ti Super!
Can't wait to not buy this card hahaha au prices are so bad atm
Trust Australia to release the 4070 super $200 more then the 4070 😂😂 utter bull crap, you can get some 4070ti’s cheaper then a 4070 super
Good luck with the procedure Jay. We're rooting for you.
Good luck on your procedure, Jay!! Good luck, best wishes, and hope for a speedy recovery with relatively low or no pain!!
Thanks for all the vid card goodness Jay, your dedication in getting this out on short notice is appreciated. Good luck on the procedure, the community is behind ya.
I am 100% with you Jay, the 4080 should have launched at $900
When i saw the 300mm 192 bit RTX 3060 going for $900 on ebay, i just knew the next generation would have a ~300mm 192 bit card at $900 or more
And wouldnt you know it, i was right
They tried to launch the 12GB 4080 at $900
Why were people upset?
Not because we got a 300mm class hardware traditionally ascociated with the 60 class with XX80 name, no, because we got both a 60, and 70 class hardware spec with an XX80 name
The other part i got right before official availability of the 40 series was the fair MSRP of the 60 class die used in the 4070 through 4070TI. With the 4070 Super effectively confirming that the 4070TI could have been sold for $529-599, and the 4070 for $449-499
What has me confused is the 4090 being only $100 more for the same die and membus, when the 4070TI is nearly 3x the price for the same die size and membus as last gen's 12GB 3060
Unlike the rest of the ENTIRE ADA series(before these new launches) the 4090 is not using a down-classed die and memorybus sure it is cut down, but it is no less costly to manufacture than a full die, it is on the 600mm 384 bit manufacturing class of hardware, the same as the 3090, or the GP100, or 980TI(2080TI was a weird gen that was oversized with the 2080TI being 750mm)
Unless TSMC 4nm is that bad, they're losing money buy how much they're cutting it down, and not selling it for the same mark up as the rest of the ADA series by charging ~ $3600(same percentage increase from the ~300mm 3060, to the ~300mm 4070TI)
I really annoyed with NVDIA I bought a 4070ti about a month ago because I thought they would do what NVDIA usually does and try to price gauge us the consumer, I know I should've waited and that's on me. Yes your right they should of released at an actual proper MSRP that represents the card!