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- Pupils will be banned from wearing abayas - loose-fitting full-length robes worn by some Muslim women - in France's state-run schools, the education minister has said.
The rule will be applied as soon as the new school year starts on 4 September.
France has a strict ban on religious signs in state schools and government buildings, arguing that they violate secular laws.
Wearing a headscarf has been banned since 2004 in state-run schools.
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If Muslim countries can have their own dress codes, so can Western countries.
You claim to be secular tho ? and most muslim countries do not have a “dress code “ lol . have you ever traveled out if alabama ever ?
@@soud986 Who in their right mind would travel to a Muslim-run country (that isnt named the UAE) who isnt muslim lol... nothing of worth to see. Plus like 90% of them have the death penalty in place for Apostates anyway, thats just slightly worse than a dress code don't you think?
Claims to be secular, acts like a fascist.
agree. When i was in qatar i cant even stay in the same room with my girlfriend because we were not married. We followed their stupid rule anyway.
@@soud986 Secularists also have the right to defend themselves
Better to come back to school uniform, equality for everyone
Yah even with kids wearing normal clothes it's causes some to feel out of place if they are not wearing the right labels
@@NyanyiC right ! Would love to see those standard uniforms affordable for everyone 🙏
If you think uniform stops anything you are wrong.
@@NyanyiC labels aren't allowed that's the point of school uniform
100%agree with you
Well done France.
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Why
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@@shashankchauhan._ it's the god for islam
@@shashankchauhan._nonsense, the only god ever existed is the flying spaghetti monster
do that in UK too please.
People can't ware what they want?
@@positiveahay7167"wear"
@@positiveahay7167They can. but I am not sure about schools
@@positiveahay7167 not in school.
@@ihabhatim5825 you want students to wear less clothes? Sounds sus
Countrys culture and Laws should be followed.
What if a country has a law banning clothes. Would you be happy with that walking around butt naked cause I don't want to see your sorry ass whether it be on TV or in public
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@@لبنيمحمد-ح4شso what...then why other religion womens are forced to wear in saudi..?
Laws can be questioned and peoples rights should not be dictated by culture.
@@Vagabond-00-kSaudi arabia is corrupt it’s the leaders but in France everyone is hating on islam and other Muslim countries never do stuff like this
Yeah, the French are quite strict about this stuff and maintaining secularism in public spaces. When I was living there, I briefly converted to Sithism and they threw me out of public school because I insisted on turning up in my Darth Vader outfit.
It's almost like the Nazis never really left. They just went underground and worked their way to political power in the weakest country they had invaded.
France is a bastion of hypocrisy. Most public schools are still having Christmas parties during the Christmas holiday period. So it's clear that this new regulation is rooted in hatred for Muslims. It's time for France to be boycotted at every level by 56 majority Muslim countries.
Only a sith deals in absolutes!!
Nooooo!
The amount of shit ppl talk about ..make shit up and tell tales
Well done... You must obey the laws in other countries, If you cannot do it, you shouldn't live there.
The laws of opression where the take away people their religious freedom. Isn't there freedom of religion. French facists will soon feel the pain and will be thrown out from Afrika
@@buzz5695They should continue to obey them as long as they keep staying in someone else country.
Then where is freedom ?
@oliahamed3506
Ok, go and wear a lgbt shirt in a Muslim country, lets see what they would do to you
There are many Muslim countries where you're completely free to wear whatever you want.
I see everyone to argue about the decision to prohibit abaya in France so I think I can explain you a little bit about that. I'm french so for some people who don't understand, laicity is really important here. One of the rules is that when you're in school, nobody can guess your religion. It means : don't show a neckless with a cross, a clothe in reference with religion or anything else, regardless of religion. It's cultural. For exemple, it's very frowned upon when a women wears the veil if she is an official (fonctionnaire) because she represents the state.
BUT BUT BUT for many french people, WE all know why the government forbidden abaya in school : it's only to not to speak of the bad conditions for teachers. Education in France is degrading, it's really serious because even students at university can't write their own language without making mistakes. Macron continues to worsen the working conditions of teachers : change the programs every year, reform of the baccalaureate, reform of the certificate, reform of profesionnal high schools to transform kids into slaves for companies (it's toi long to explain every mistakes he made). So, they think that if we forbidden abaya, people will forgot the real problem. And why they think it could work ? Because many (and it's true) french are racist. Talk about muslim, black people or just arab people and you'll found at least one person around you makes a racist comment.
And before someone kills me for m'y comment, it's just a french argument about this controversy. In fact, I don't have any opinion about it. If girls (or guys I don't care) want to wears an abaya AT school, why not at least it protects from the sun :)
(If someone wants to correct my english don't hesitate. I try to learn by myself so I don't use Google traduction)
And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. Quran 4:15
They have the highest vitamin D deficiency of any women in the world. Look it up. Their men are nothing but wife beaters. You don't know these people, just another WOKIE blindly defending evil people corrupted by a religious form of communism and Marxism with martyrdom.
The argument that long loose dresses (abaya in Arabic but has many names in different cultures like Sari in India) point solely to Islam is just stupid as women around the world wear it Hindus, Christians, Muslims. Buddhists. Actually if France is really about not showing any religious symbols in public it should mandate the sbaya, because the absent of it point to one new religion Hollywood and the TV set invented just about 70 years ago. Don’t believe me? check your grandmother pictures.
@@moholah3745that’s great but what does adultery have to do with abaya?
You are confusing state-imposed atheism (as happened in the USSR and as happened in China) with secularism/laicism.
Germany, Italy and the UK are secular countries and none of them prohibit the display of crucifixes, abayas, hats, headdresses and more.
Who decides whether a garment is "religious" or not?
A headdress should not necessarily be considered to belong to a religion.
If a dress does not violate a state's good morals and/or dress code, you should not ban it.
Your state is a rogue state that preys on african countries and which, after having admitted hundreds of thousands of immigrants, is surprised that they do not want to assimilate your gallic-barbaric values and that they want to maintain their culture and values.
France is a chauvinistic rogue state
Respect the laws of the country you are in. Be grateful you were taken as a refugee. Remember the people that lost their loved ones back at home. Life could have been worse.
“Oh justice fOr Iranian wOmen” 🤡🤡🤡
Muslims aren't refugees there are ethnically French Muslims as well, and saying life could be worse is a retarded argument what France is doing is illegal under the un, NATO, and the European union which France is part of
Ur religion is a inferior one@@Fundamental_Islam.
Why I would be grateful for being a refugee especially if i am a refugee because of the western countries they’re literally there because france steals their resources create conflicts
You will see GOD existe and justices exist also
Full support to France, UK can also follow the rules
Support for what? I thought everybody is free to wear whatever they want in the west?
@@user-en7jd3ff7owhat? It's not a religious cloth, it's a cultural outfit. People have a really weird obsession with what muslim women wear, no other people face this kind of abuse. Some people wear a dog leash other drag outfits and it's okay, but if a woman wants to wear a dress and she is muslim, it's not allowed??? Wth
@@surekeen1012muslim countries don’t give the same freedom to non muslim. What are you whining about
@@valsett3385 Yes they do you islampobe cave best stop spreading the outdated lie to support islamphobia you make me sick
@@valsett3385 I am a Muslim and in a Muslim country, and I am a student at a mixed university. There are of course universities that are not mixed, but what I would like to say is that the hijab is prevalent on university campuses, but there may be a small number who do not wear the hijab and they are Christians and they have complete freedom.
*If nudity is choice, why not modesty?*
Thank you!
No.
Nudity nor religious symbols are a choice in French public schools.
@@mariatheresavonhabsburg *I am not prioritizing any religious choice, I am prioritizing my personal choice. This is my personal freedom.*
@@disableid
Well, not in publicly funded French institutions.
The sex slavery in Saudi Arabia in 1960 😏😏
Absolutely...europe is not a muslim continent ...tell them to FO
1 Corinthians 11: 'If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.'
That's why all religions are evil...this shit is 2000 years ago ...what relevance does it have today...
@@abdelkabir580your assuming this guy is Christian
France finally grew some balls. Now they just need to support that cop who shot that car thief kid and lock up all the rioters, cop did nothing wrong was just doing his job, the car thief kid got what he deserved no sympathy.
Same here. No sympathy ❌
Follow the rules of the country or go somewhere else! Thank 😊 you France 🇫🇷
Let those go to where they came from .
Well done France. Muslims must respect western culture if they want to live in a western nation. We are not obliged to respect their culture.
Not how respect works
So why tell people you stand for religious freedom? You have no argument against Muslim countries. You yourself are intolerant of other cultures
Oh so not covering/modesty & nakedness is western culture? Got it. Whilst you're at it maybe don't try harp on about freedom of religion then. Hypocritical and morally corrupt.
I am french. The problem in France is the lack of teachers in schools, the low wages, the harrassment augmentation in schools were it became a national problem, the augmentation of students at schools doesn't correspond to the lack of teachers ! Yes they are badly paid ! There are really concerning problems in the educational system in France, but all they found was to ban the abaya, what's the point ? Well girls will now be wearing dresses until a way is found to forbid it...
Ok terrorist
Cela me rappelle les pays du tiers monde lorsque les institutions internationales et les pays puissants les obligent à adopter certaines lois contre leur gré ; la question EST QUI FORCE LA FRANCE ? il faut pas beaucoup d'intelligence pour repondre a cette question.
Ahh that explains it. They are too lazy to sort out the problems in the education system. So this is to divert the attention of the French public from the inefficacy of their own system. Touché.
Le franchoullard typique, léthargique, qui regarde docilement là où on lui ordonne de regarder pendant qu'on le viol en place public,.. Le français en a que faire de ces leurres, il veut du travail, il veut à manger dans son assiette, il veut pouvoir faire un plein de carburant sans saigner des yeux et des fesses, pouvoir partir en vacances et faire plaisir à ses gosses mais l'abaya, le burkini, le voile, c'est beaucoup plus important et c'est ça qui cause tout les maux de la Francisraël pendant que là-haut ça tape des coupes de champagne,.. Mais je ne suis pas inquiet il y a de vrais français intelligent qui ne se laissent pas berner,.. ceux-là ont tout mon respect.
The typical franchoullard, lethargic, who obediently looks where he is ordered to look while he is being raped in public,... The French don't care about these lures, he wants work, he wants food on his plate , he wants to be able to fill up with fuel without bleeding from his eyes and buttocks, to be able to go on vacation and please his kids but the abaya, the burkini, the veil, it's much more important and that's what causes all the ills of Francisrael while up there people are banging glasses of champagne,... But I'm not worried there are real intelligent French people who don't let themselves be fooled,... they have all my respect.
Respect & Win France 🇫🇷 🗿
Недавнее решение Франции запретить ученикам-мусульманам носить абайи в государственных школах начиная с сентября 2023 года вызвало значительные споры. Хотя правительство называет причиной этого запрета светскость и сохранение французских ценностей, важно учитывать контраргументы, которые подчеркивают религиозную свободу и инклюзивность.
1. Защита свободы религии:
Франция является государством, которое гордится своей приверженностью свободе и индивидуальным правам. Запрет религиозного наряда, подобного абайе, ограничивает свободу мусульманских студентов открыто выражать свою веру. Необходимо защищать конституционное право каждого гражданина, включая студентов, исповедовать свою религию, не опасаясь дискриминации.
2. Содействие инклюзивности:
Разнообразное и инклюзивное общество извлекает пользу из вклада людей различного происхождения. Предоставление студентам возможности носить абайю способствует созданию условий, в которых учащиеся могут выражать свою культурную и религиозную самобытность, не опасаясь изоляции. Такая инклюзивность способствует созданию более богатого, более динамичного общества и способствует взаимопониманию между различными общинами.
3. Предотвращение стигматизации:
Запрет абайи может непреднамеренно клеймить мусульманских студентов, заставляя их чувствовать себя посторонними в своей собственной стране. Такое чувство отчуждения может препятствовать их академическому и социальному развитию, что может привести к дальнейшему расколу внутри общества.
4. Поощрение диалога:
Вместо введения запретов поощрение диалога и взаимопонимания между различными религиозными и культурными группами может помочь преодолеть пробелы и построить более гармоничное общество. Учебные заведения могут служить площадками для обучения терпимости и принятию, создавая лучшее будущее для всех граждан.
5. Создание прецедента:
Запрет на религиозное одеяние может создать опасный прецедент, который может быть использован для оправдания дальнейших ограничений религиозных свобод. Крайне важно тщательно рассмотреть долгосрочные последствия такой политики для принципов религиозной свободы и прав личности.
Хотя цель французского правительства поддерживать светскость и защищать свои ценности является действительной, не менее важно уважать основополагающий принцип религиозной свободы. Запрет абайи в государственных школах может непреднамеренно ущемлять права учащихся-мусульман и препятствовать прогрессу страны в направлении создания более инклюзивного и толерантного общества. Изучение альтернативных подходов, способствующих диалогу и взаимопониманию, в большей степени отвечало бы приверженности Франции свободе и правам личности.
I bet half the people here in comments don't even know what an Abaya is to start with. I don't understand why covering your own body with loose clothes is a problem for anyone?
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Doesn't matter, I am not French it's their business what they decide to do in their schools.
@@zjeee why authorities are so aggressive in France to strict on dress?
@@zjeeelol that means you'll just watch when people are oppressed , congrats
And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away or Allah opens some way for them. Quran 4:15
“iSLam iS opPresSive tO wOmEn” “sEcLurAiSm LiBeRaTeS wOMeN” 🤦🏽♂️
Here are some fun facts about women in Islam .According to Islamic culture woman is literally deficient in intelligence and most of them will go to hell because woman can't fast during period. Says Muhammad
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."
Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301
@@celestialsatheist1535 yeah you proper refuted us there now go head and change your gender and wave the rainbow flag 🤣🤣
Whether you like it or not, but it’s true.
Western hypocrisy at its finest 😂
This feels like the opposite of separating state and religion. You're taking the people's rights of self expression in these cases. The state is intervening in the actions of people practicing their religion. I'm an atheist in a different country, I have nothing to gain or lose from this. However I just don't like people's freedoms getting taken like this.
#Jacobinist_Secular_Fundamentalism
Some are well-balanced & are not #Culturally_insecure_ideological_fanatics ❤️
Agreed!
Black box propaganda has to stop 😅
I will give you some good news, you don't have to live in France - you can pack up and go somewhere else. Nobody will stop you. As a European living abroad I can tell you it's very easy to just head to another European country to settle down should you be disappointed of certain rules.
@@Just-Music-24-7 your way is what let the women's be half naked lol y'all have a saying you have the right to express how you wanna dress right so why does it bother people so much that they can't see a Muslim women/girls hair is a big deal or y'all not see their body is a big deal listen it's okay if y'all wanna see our beautiful hair and body just say it clear without using a law France law goes like this you can be half naked or full naked it's fine but the moment I can't see your hair or body I'm gonna use a law to allow me to be a creep....first it's the way people dress and their beliefs then comes allowing rapist to rape then allow child molester to pick any child the want and rape....
I have a question to angry Muslims - can Christians wear a cross in schools or any state buildings?
And do you allow Christian women not to wear hijab?
@@XAE_A_Xiiyes actually.
@@laalaa4303 so why when non-Muslim women travel to countries like Iran must wear hijab ?
Agreed
From an Iranian woman here: " Bravo, well done France". Hijab has to be outlawed everywhere in the world, as well in my country, Iran. It is a terrible symbole of oppression of women, and has to be eradicated.
Lovely “Iranian” name you have there, Susan.👍😉👌
More power to Iranian women 👏🏻👍🏻💐🙏🏻
Shut up Susan you're white
Most Muslim countries and non-western countries will tell outsiders to abide by the rules of their own country. As the saying goes "Our country, our rules" and "Respect ours and we'll respect yours".
Now it's France's (a western country) turn to impose rules and many are going nuts. Damn! You should go back to the saying that you guys impose to the west when It's your own country's turn. Smh 🤷♂️
#doublestandards
No they don't and they don't try claiming they're all about freedom like the west does while contradicting itself. The hypocrisy is why people go nuts
it is not possible to define what is an abaya, a long coat will also do or even a little shorter or a long dress. they should introduse school uniformes if they really want to hide everything that could be understood as Islamic
School uniform is a great leveller they should all be wearing the same thing then there can be no arguement
Learn to spell.
@@janeevans5132Absolutely. Kids can be extremely elitist and bully each other over clothes and shoes.
Dual standard! This is actually a cultural genoxcide!
@@_destroyeroftheworlds why did lindu boys and girls were red thread in their hand.
Good on France
Despite being a muslim i would not blame French Govt for imposing ban on "Abaya". These are outside circumstances which are beyond the control of a school-going muslim girl. However what i strongly believe is a true muslim abandons everything that doesn't let him/her practice his/her religion properly, even if it is education...
Agree, I believe there are other ways to dress modestly, but it would be too hard and dangerous for the kids to stop pursuing education. Homeschooling maybe?
@Pierrespere-vm5of 😂😂😂looool why are you kill me, 😂😂😂😂
@@Pierrespere-vm5oflive a good life in this world and the heavens.
Why don't you teach people muhmmad was paedophilo
@@Pierrespere-vm5of you're a *poor* Indian, aren't you? Of course you haven't been in a multi-cultural institution. My college has loads of foreigners-- and there's no compulsion regarding clothes. Nothing is banned.
Policing women's clothes whether in Iran or France is disturbing.
Clothing being policed is called dress code.
It's nothing new, especially not in schools.
Excellent news! Remind people they're in France, not Libya or Syria.
Pigs why do hide your Identity@@buzz5695
An abaya is a long, wide dress. France bans women from wearing long, wide clothes. A simple dress made from Zara can therefore be considered an abaya. It's crazy that France is forcing women to dress more openly and tightly.
It remains very comical that medieval losers go even more nuts then they already are when seeing the hair, arms legs of a woman.
@lovealwayscharlie1208 1. No, that's a lie. A long dress is not a symbol of a religion. It's like saying a beard is a religious symbol. If you wear long and wide clothes, you inevitably represent yourself as a follower of a religion🤡. You idiot, when you buy long and wide clothes from Zara, they almost look like an abaya.
@lovealwayscharlie1208 An abaya is a long, wide dress. Why is a long, wide dress a symbol of a religion?🤔
France is a secular state and if Muslims complain, they are welcome to live in a country where their dress code is accepted.
Because in Rome you do as the Romans do.
YES , STAND UP FOR WESTERN CIVILIZATION !
How strange! So long as they’re getting a good education, why make that an issue?
Bruh it's the same issue that inflicted thousands of revolutions it's Religious RIGHTS
Because muslims want the french school to bend to their rules, or they get violent (Example: Teacher Samuel Patty got killed, etc). So they need to be reminded that school in france is SECULAR BY LAW.
@@lightshadernft8156shut up with your religious rights if you don’t want to live in a secular country move to a religious one
good decision
Is IT!?
@@viorelpiscanu9425
Yes, it is. Public schools should stay neutral.
@@annab9994 Ok... Just a Little pation, my dear... If You think all French CITIZENS belive likewise.... I am afraid not... Remember: In France all inhabitants are CITIZENS... No matter THEIR nationality or religion belive.... But IT is 2023! So many others are now in France even born there... Don't they have the right to chose how to wear chothes or what God to belive in!?
indians in full force in the comment section whenever it's about some muslim related topic. The obsession is real.
@@forebearing1320
What were you expecting after a thousand years of invasions ? A thank you note ?
It’s France not the Middle East. Fair enough to remove signs of religious clothing
Middle East doesn't remove signs of religious clothing. And abayas arent religious clothing. They're cultural. School uniforms are the norm in the middle east with various options of knee length skirts, long skirts or trousers +/- a head covering. So maybe France should be more like the middle east if they're so keen to be secular and equal
@@laalaa4303wow, I never knew anyone can defy logic like you just did
We indians support france in this decision . A uniform should be uniform
RSS cow worshipper
There is no uniform. Kids can wear what they want apart from young girls who want to wear abayas. Hence the debate.
Congratulations, the French still have their balls 🇫🇷👍🏻
School should have uniform that make all students feel equal and shouldn't make students feel different from others who wear that covering.
Do it in your home.
Umm wearing a head scarf makes them feel not equal? You should teach you're students to respect other religions not make them feel uncomfortable.
Good every girl should start wearing abaya then, problem solved!
The only word that can describe you is idiot , if you are not even gonna try to understand the value of hijab in Islam then please just shut up
Religion should be at home
Not in school
School is for education
Not brainwashed by books made by some man wanting to rule and divide people over a god
Smh
Just Live in peace.
And teach our children love not hate
I am a Muslim and I live in a Muslim country, I can say that the French feel jealous and inferior when they see a modest woman. Yes, this is the truth. They consider a modest woman to be superior to them.
About time. Well done France. Now for the rest of Europe to do the same.
It’s about time. We do not share their faith or their attire. Otherwise, they can always leave.
In France, respect the french laws or leave the country
So then France shouldn't claim to be all about liberty and freedom
@@autograndeunlimited you really don t understand the concept of LAW 😂😂
@@autograndeunlimited talk about the pot calling the kettle black
@@ErickHumboldt I do actually unlike you LMAO discriminatory laws like the one fence has go AGAINST liberty and freedom LOL
@@dawgcat3087 not at all
I'm not going to make a judgement here on what France should or should not do. I'm finding it really interesting to read the responses here, particularly from people living in the UK and other European countries. In the U.S., this kind of dress would be protected under freedom of religion. We're not as concerned with people/kids wearing symbols of their faith, whatever they may be. Our schools are more concerned with policing the clothes and bodies of girls (e.g. no spaghetti strap tops), and the natural hair styles of Black kids (although, thankfully, many schools have been getting in trouble for this in recent years).
I'm in the UK and I really don't understand this at all. I see absolutely nothing wrong with wearing religious items which affects nobody else.
I don't see why others wearing the clothes they want should be a problem
In France this has become a political tool, whenever a politician feels the need to reaffirm themselves before a mostly anti-immigrant, anti-muslim population, they'll evoke secularism and do some type of attack towards muslim communities. That's exactly what Gabriel Attal is doing now, he's just become minister of Education and needs people to see him and talk about him, and muslims are, as always, the easiest target.
The UK,France etc are much more liberal secular societies than the US. (I lived in the US for 17yrs and was staggered at how religious it was,even in NYC) The recent surge of religiosity in Europe that has come with muslim immigration and Christian immigration from Africa is often seen as posing a threat to our secular liberal societies..
@@michaelabbott9080 a secular state is a secular state, it doesn’t matter how religious the population of a country is. What does matter is when the state tries to control freedom of religion by banning religious garments, which is a phenomena very specific to France.
That headline would sound better if it ended 5 words earlier.
haha
Wish it was the uk
I am not a muslim, and only wanna be fair here. When Iran is enforcing the girls wearing abayas, we support the protest against that. That is to support personal freedom. And now France is banning girls from wearing abayas, somehow people support it? Why? Aren't we supporting personal freedom? Can the free speech and personal freedom not support the simple things like dressing what one wants and not dressing what one hates?
It's that "freedom" that will eventually cause freedom suppression: it's better to stop something from growing jn the first place. Next thing you know, you cannot enter a certain "region" without abidong by Islamic rules, within a Western country. Nobody wants that.
because France has a law that says no religion in public for every religion
Oh don’t be a silly liberal. The Muslims are a different story. Forcing and oppressing young girls to wear hijabs. And their ‘prophet’ married a 9 year old!
Cuz secularists also have the right to defend themselves
Because hypocrite is just another name for french
Good step
England 🇬🇧 needs to take notes bravo 👏 France ! 🇫🇷
Lol, most Muslim countries allow people to wear whatever they like, whether in schools or in public. I'd understand if schools in France required uniforms, but they ONLY object when a Muslim student dresses modestly, yet no one complains if a non-Muslim wears a long dress! In my MUSLIM country, students are permitted to wear anything they like; some Muslims wear hijab, some do not, and no one complains; unlike you, it is 2023, and we allow individuals to wear whatever they want. Let people wear what they want. I wonder who is truly backward?
So teachers are allowed to FORCE LGBTQ on kids at schools and no one is complaining, but when someone chooses to be proud of his religion he's not allowed? Then the LGBTQ movement should also STOP their rubbish and stop forcing it on kids! Hypocrites bunch of racists
Go England 🇬🇧, European countries have your back ❤️
First you take permission from BBC 😅😅😅😂
When christian women visit muslim countries, they wear scarfs, so it's fair that muslim women will not wear scarfs in christian countries.
Urmm... no they don't. What the f are you talking about? Have you never seen dubai? What Christian woman wears a headscarf there? You must have never left your own villagae
1. Abaya Is a dress
2. Christianity is a ME religion in case you forgot Jésus is Palestinian. So no Christian women aren't forced into wearing anything in the ME. You're making things up about a place you've never visited
@@laalaa4303 Palestinian?? Lol! Jesus was not an Arab. Not once did he call himself Palestinian. If he did, show me where, if you're truthful
Until the 1960s, Jews called themselves Palestinians and the Arabs called themselves Arabs. Jesus called himself a child of Israel, because he was a descendant of Jacob
He would never have called himself Palestinian because the Romans called the place Palestine, as insult to them, calling it by the name of their enemy
If you want to move to a country , adapt to that country !!!!! Or stay where you are , or move in a muslim country .
Maybe France should have stayed out of Africa. I like how the French disrupt other countries cultures but when the same is done to them they 💩their pants.
What are you talking about? That is a racist point of view. Live where they want and how they want. I guess the love they have for themselves by showing humility and self-respect and dignity highlites the fact that you lack it and it makes you uncomfortable. Dont oppress freedom.
France is mad because we cover ourselves and that we’ve in fact control of our bodies HAHAHAHAHAH😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Schools are indeed neutral places but they're in opposite to the court room, a space connecting the pluralistic society, which includes religion.
Try visit a school in the Middle East wearing a Jewish symbol, see how well that connects you to their pluralistic society.
@@zjeee Arabic leader have used jews as scapegoat all the decades to have a united enemy to strengthen their ruling on people. This is a political issue, not a religion one.
And regarding christianty. I used to visit Syria before the war. Muslims and christians used to live side by side and you even have had christians wearing public crosses as necklace without anyone getting hurt in his feeling. Somehow I believe society in arabic countries have been much more advanced than european ones.
@@MS-zl7kp There is no one veil, there are different colours, thickness of texture and designs and reasons why people wear it. People e.g. having cancer and getting treated by chemo, wear veils to cover their bald hair. People in warm countries or summer days use veils to save themselves from getting hurt by the sun. Some people even wear half veils based on the culture they came from (this was even was a thing in west europe in the early centry of 20). As long as no one is forced to wear a veil, it's part of a pluralistic choice of women to do so.
In Iran women are forced to wear veils (which is totally wrong), but forcing people not to wear it, is not better. We need to get our standards right, even if we don't like personally the veil.
I don’t see why ppl have to be the same neutral robots but it’s their country. Whatever
@@zjeee Have you ever been to the Middle East?
Very good decision...❤❤❤
France should permanently banned all types of Abaya dress.
Longlive France...❤❤❤
If you don't wear one then you have no business telling other people how to dress. And rejoicing over it.
hows this not banned already 😭
Yessssss!!! hows this is not already banned everywhere?
A Catholic Clergy or Hindu Priest or a Buddhist Monk or any other RELIGIOUS denominations may wear the attire that shows their religious orientation but not from this community!!!! Why? Simply because they have proved themselves to be dangerous and the onus is on them to prove that they all are safe for US people. The burden of proof is on them indeed. Simply because they have proven it out in the world with that fanatic frenzy that they get themself into...not just that but kill and maim. That the world APPROACH THEM WITH CAUTION. HENCE, This is not religious fascism but by my necessity to stay protected and alive.
You MUST respect the country’s values ESPECIALLY if you’re an immigrant. As a Chinese I know this so well and I can faithfully say this is what we all should do. Wherever you go, you plant your roots in the new country and get rid of your old values that are holding you back. 落叶生根
if the muslims do not like it they are free to leave to a muslim country in which they can practice there faith
So basically (just a little summary) this perverted country doesn’t want women who follow their religion and culture to cover up. This is discrimination against religion and culture. Just let people live their life, it’s not hard to look away if you don’t like it. Also this comment section really needs help.
Or they don't want to be blown up ?
The saying goes "in rome be like the romans" if you in another country respect their traditions and values . You escape these things and now you want the same thing ( that you escaped from ) to be here ? No thanks
@@annalove64 i understand the precautions and everything but that still doesn’t make it right to take away rights from hijabi woman. They are allowed to practice their religion, because what if cross necklaces were banned? What if Christians were forced to not wear anything religious? I don’t think anyone would be happy about it, since Christian, being the most common religion, rights are taken from a country.
@@ChlorideInUrEyesexactly this comment section is full of hypocrites who talk about women rights only when it involves showing their bodies to strangers
@@ChlorideInUrEyesCross necklace are, unironically, also included in the religion clothing ban.
Also, this only applies to schools. To allow Hijab while banning other religious clothing are biased, and we dont do that here.
It's France, their country and rules and public school. If you don't like it then change school or move back elsewhere.
Good on France 👍
@@buzz5695islam defenders always comment dumb stuff to counter an argument. Hmm I wonder why... Oh yeah, they're told to obey and not to question since birth. Yeah that immensely impacts their critical thinking.
Shame on France🇫🇷🤮🤮🤮👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Stop oppressing kind muslim people!!!
@@buzz5695 true true. But those are clearly man made rules and people will stand up against them one way or another. Can't say the same about "holy" laws that allegedly came from god though
How is this any different from what the taliban does ?
The whole problem is not Muslims or Islam. I know that a few years back, Muslim women didn't have any problems walking the streets of France with only their head scarves. The problem today is radical Islamism that has invaded our European countries, as it has Muslim countries. Women want to wear burqas, hijabs, abayas and so on; not for the fashion, or the fun of it, or for any religious motivation whatsoever. Some Muslims (mostly French converted) just want to oppose our secular rules. They want to resort to public violence and call on the general public for stigmatisation and cops' violence.
We, the French, a nation born on Christian soil, were told to relinquish our public nativity scenes for better relations with other religions in France. We accepted, grudgingly. But people shouldn't push it too far because Lepen's Party is lurking in the back...
I shall remind you all that when a European gets to live in a Muslim country, they wouldn't dare disobey the rules as they would be quickly put into jail.
Tonnes of Europeans live in dubai. They wear what they want.
Now tell us about Irán, Saudí arabia and Afganistán.
School should have school uniform, better to be fair for all students wearing same dress code, and it also shows respect to the school.
You can wear anything at home or clubbing but should wear proper way in proper places or occasions.
There's a very big difference between a uniform and a dress code.
Under a general dress code, German schools allow any clothes without vulgar language or symbolism, hats and caps must be taken off but can be worn during breaks.
A uniform would force all boys to wear the same and all girls to wear the same with transsexuals somewhere in these two groups.
Most of us Germans vehemently oppose school uniforms because the last time we had a national school uniform was in the Hitler Youth during WW II.
These questions are subject to cultural and historic sensitivities.
Uniform is stupid. Many people who graduate high schools or uni do not have basic dressing sense simply because they were never had to learn which colours go with which colours or which tie goes with which shirt. I hate the kind of conformist mentality that educational institutes foster.
Sorry, isn't France a sovereign nation? Why do you even bring this to the media?
simple. Follow the law or leave the country!!!!
How are Jews and Christians feeling about their caps and crosses being banned?
Schools are for education not religion…. Fantastic decision by French govt. Other countries should learn from France…..
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Islam is best thats why its increase... 💖💖
No kid it increases because the people of this cult over breeds
School is all about about learning not for religious beliefs wearing hijab etc .
As a Christian, I find this law offensive unless they can prove its for safety and not just antireligious
But are you *born again* ?
John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Mark 1:15 - “The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!”
As a Christian, follow the laws of the French Republic, and in second term you are a Christian
@@hiddengem42931 Corinthians 11: If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.
If you really believe in the gospel start covering your head
that correspondent seemed like he didn't give a damn...
Yeah, he's a rude pos. Either turn off the d@mn fone or put it on mute!
He is so unprofessional BBC standards gone down hill
I don’t mind this since it is done for literally all other religions. If it were like it is here in America where they claim to be against “indoctrination” while passing laws that mandate having Christian text posted in classrooms, then I’d have a problem with that kind of blatant hypocrisy. But if you don’t want religion in the classroom, then great. Just do it across the board.
No it's not
Just open you eyes
@@MohamedBadat-yp7xjYes it is. You can't wear a jewish kippah in a public school either, or a cross necklace
@@MohamedBadat-yp7xj O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. Quran 5:51
I don't really see what's the PROBLEM if an innocent muslim woman is PROTECTING her MODESTY by wearing a SIMPLE headscarf or abaya.........
@@Alhamdullilah101 The problem is, you can clearly identify her as a muslim due to the religious symbolism of a hijab or abaya. Dressing modestly is easy to do without showing off your religion. That sort of thing is banned in french schools and government
This is against the principle of freedom: if France is calling itself a free country, it should let students wear what they want, be it mini-skirts or religious clothes.
The clothes that a person wears do not create any damage to other people, it does not infringe on other people’s rights.
I find it a contradiction that a country that allows women to make abortions in the Constitution dictates them what they should be wearing.
Nope. If people wearing burka commit crime, you wont even know who they are.
Support for France from Indonesia
You liar your not Indonesian!! Your a Christian or a Hater!!
How will they make difference between abaya and normal long dress???
Why can't they wear it? I don't understand. The school children are not wearing uniforms, so why is this specific garment banned?
Do teenagers in France wear Gucci to school? Why not introduce a uniform like we have in Australia for primary and secondary schools? Polo shirt in school colours with plain pants or skirt- whatever you are most comfortable in.
@@Pierrespere-vm5ofit really mostly isn't. if anything, a kid going to school without a uniform usually ends up with the school or even his/her classmates donating one to him/her. France isn't particularly a third world country and uniforms won't be an issue. There's a big problem in a school in it self if a kid overall is getting bullied, uniform or no uniform, it's irrelevant.
@@Pierrespere-vm5of which is why it's outrageous they want to ban what you wear instead of just making you wear the same thing as everyone. School uniforms are probably the most secular thing they could do as it reminds everyone that no one cares if they're Muslims, Christians or whatever in school, as they're simply nothing more than respected students who are there to attain education, just like everybody else.
@@Pierrespere-vm5of I'm not talking about private school uniforms eg blazer, tie, shirt. At the beginning of the school year Kmart and Big W sell them for under $10
French school kids have a dress code. Typically it’s jeans sneakers shirt pullover and coat. As far as I know all overt branding or logos are banned. Sure some kids might wear a Gucci pullover or similar but it would have to be a very simple design with no visible branding. I’m pretty sure make up is not permitted. You can probably wear a ring and necklace but you cannot for example wear a Christian cross or any other obvious religious symbol.
@@Pierrespere-vm5ofmy school didn’t have uniforms. It was very obvious who the rich kids were because they wore designer clothes. While poor kids work knock offs and wal mart t shits.
Bravo France!!!
No gays or beers on the Muslim world cup right ? Soo now you gotta respect our culture. Kids should grow up free tirany and crazy old ideas
If they cannot assimilate in the country you choose to live, then maybe it's the wrong place for you. Go to the environment that matters your religion, don't force it on others. I'm chatolic but I don't wear a cross in public, I just pray in my home
What if a lady whose ancestors are all French, decided to cover her hair and legs e.g. out of dencency, Islam or Christianity (like nine ) ? Shall you force her to wear less clothes or kick her out of HER country too?
I don't see Muslim men covering their hair out of decency there also why are Muslim men turned on when they see someones hair we are talking about hijab or abaya here don't try to change the subject.
Image this law to be promulgated in India or China. 😂😂 would these western media and their audience show any mercy? HUMAN RIGHTS and FREEDOM!🎉🎉
Now abayas too? Where does it end? You're basically banning a full length dress. What do you expect them to wear? Do you also expect Christians not to wear crosses? What will priests wear if the ban on religious display extends outside schools? When they banned the niqab it was not good because they were basically suppressing the right to freedom of religion and expression but it was still kind of understandable as it is a security issue (face identitification) However, the need to ban the headscarf (hijab) was crossing the line, and now the abaya too? It's very upsetting 😢. We should be allowed to wear what we want in this world. It doesn't have to be about religion but also personal freedom. You are basically openly displaying or insinuating Islamophobia and the governments footsteps are providing a platform for those with Islamophobia and xenophobia to propagate hate and hostility. I know it's not only Muslim religious clothing that is banned, also other religions so it can be debatable whether the government is specifically expressing Islamophobia. What do the clothes do? There is no other purpose for the clothes than to express their religion. It doesnt harm anyone. Why can't they wear clothes to display who they are? I understand one might argue why can't they allow short or revealing clothing in some other countries. Well, think about it. What are the connotations of revealing clothing and what are the connotations of modest clothing. I know some might argue that calling shorts or t-shirts as revealing is a little bit extreme. What is considered revealing clothing and what is considered modest clothing might mean different things to different people, and to solve this problem the best solution would be just to let people wear what they want. European countries used to set the example for liberalism and freedom, but it's as if the cycle is starting all over again. They have started policing what people are wearing. People are discriminating against religion. There's no need to govern and police what people are wearing. The least amount of freedom we can get is in what we wear. The clothes are a symbol of modesty and piety in their religion. Why can't they be modest and acknowledge their culture and religion? If we ask what they should wear instead what will be the answer? Should they wear western clothes and not pay tribute to their culture and religion while still being able to contribute to modern society and the economy? You can allow those who want to wear revealing clothing to do so, and those who wish to dress modestly or religiously to do so. Religion is a big part of many people's lives, Christians, jews, Muslims, etc. I see that people are saying that if they want to wear their religious clothing they can leave France and go somewhere else. What will happen if other countries ban it, too and the rest of the world adopts a similar mindset of hostility and hate towards them? There will be nowhere for innocent refugees to go or for people of a different religious or cultural background to contribute on the global stage. Society will become closed off and what will happen to this globalized society? Think about all the people in European society. They all come from different religious and cultural backgrounds but they each still contribute something meaningful to society and the economy. There has to be other things for the government to worry about than clothing. If you ban religious expression then what are you promoting? You are promoting secularism, yes but what are the implications of that? People feel afraid to display and express their religion openly, they distance themselves from religion - almost as if there are connotations or undertones of atheism. This might sound like an extreme conclusion but clothing is one of the biggest ways people connect with their religion. Taking that away distances humanity from religion. Walking in the street as a Muslim, for example, and recognizing another Muslim in public by their dress, reminds us of the Muslim community and unity in religion. It strengthens our faith and reminds us of our religion. If nobody dresses religiously anymore then society will slowly forget about religion. One might argue that not having religion has some benefits such as less fighting but what about those who truly wish to connect with their God and the deeper meaning to life? Religion is important for so many reasons. It reminds us that there is more to life than this world, it encourages morality, discourages sinful deeds, and provides hope in times of darkness. Instead of this we should focus on religious neutrality and tolerance. Neutrality does not mean elimination. It means allowing all people to express their religion openly without taking any particular side. You will notice that many (not all) of those who support the ban do not wear religious clothing themselves, so how will they understand the religious /symbolic, true significance or meaning of the religious dress? They see it face value, or they naively associate it with oppression (such as in the case of Muslim women's dress), or maybe not a "modern mindset", enemies to the secular state. There seems to be an unhealthy amount of ignorance on other religions and meaning of religious dress, and slowly growing intolerance and impatience with religious communities. This growing division will poison society and strip us of the diversity and equality, human rights and freedoms we as society have worked so hard to achieve. This ban is not progression. True progression is when we as a society move past all the unnecessary discrimination and arguments about the way we each choose to live our lives (religion, culture, etc.) and focus on other ways of developing society (economic, environmental, social). Social development can be achieved when human rights and freedoms are respected. When people have freedom to live and express themselves as they choose. Not when the government is dictating what people wear and preventing women from covering their hair according to their religion as a symbol of modesty, or Christian children from wearing a cross at their state schools. Just by taking away their clothing does not take away their religion, yes, but you are distancing themselves from their religion. Allow them freedom of religion and expression.
Actually, french does ban Christian’s cross, along with Jew’s yarmulkes, Sikh’s turbans, etc.
Basically, anything religion related are banned from school. You can wear whatever you want outside of the school zone. This seem fair to me.
@@angkhoa1216Did France forget about Catholic schools?
@@angkhoa1216 It's fair, yes, but is it right? Something can be fair and not right. For example, if I steal money from you and steal money from everyone else, it's fair isn't it? You are treated the same as everyone else. But that does not make it the right thing to do. By banning religious clothing and symbols from schools you are sending the message to children from such a young age that religion has nothing to do with 'modern, progressive society' or the public environment. It's almost as if you are implying that religion should ideally not be practiced and expressed in a public space. It's preventing them from connecting to their religion, which is such a sensitive and significant part of who they are. What if you are a deeply religious high school student who wishes to dress religiously? Or what if you come from a deeply religious family and want to respect their traditions at school and in public? I would personally find it deeply troubling. Students spend much of their time at school, so it becomes a big part of their environment. If their school is a place that does not allow them to wear the religious clothing that they want, then they will not have many significant opportunities to wear their religious clothing as so much of their day and life is spent at school.
@@angkhoa1216 It's fair, yes, but is it right? Something can be both fair and not right at the same time. For example, if I steal money from you and I steal money from everyone else, it's fair isn't it? But that does not make it the right thing to do. By banning religious clothing and symbols at schools, you are sending the message to children from such an early age that religion has nothing to do with "modern, progressive society" or implying that religion should ideally not be expressed in a public space. Why should this be the case? You are preventing them from connecting with their religion, which is such a sensitive and significant part of who they are. Why can't they be allowed to express their religion - such an important part of their individuality? What if you are a religious high school student that wishes to dress religiously - that too out of your own free will? Or what if you come from a deeply religious family and wish to respect their traditions? If I was in these situations, I would personally find it deeply distressing. Students spend most of their time at school. It becomes a big part of their everyday environment. So if their school does not allow them to wear the religious clothing that they want, then they will not have many significant opportunities to wear their religious clothing since they spend so much of their day and life at school, and most of the time they will not be wearing the clothing. Another reason why the whole idea of them not being allowed to wear their religous clothing at school and arguing that they can wear it outside of school is a little problematic is because, say for example you are a Muslim girl who wears the hijab. The whole idea of wearing a hijab is as a symbol of modesty and to cover the hair which is regarded as a personal, private part to women who wish to cover it. (I understand that some people think that this does not make sense or that this is ridiculous. However, if a women wishes to cover a part of their body because it makes them feel comfortable then why should we not allow it? It's their personal decision. In a society with human rights laws that are respected and diligently put into practice then she decides it out of her own free will. Why can't we allow that? Significantly, this is seen as a personal part of their body in their culture and religion that should ideally be covered, so who are we, who are not part of this culture and religion and are not willing to take the time to truly understand it and respect it, to stop them? What seems strange in one culture or religion won't seem strange to another. We are all different.) By insisting that these girls take off the hijab at school, where their hair will be exposed to people on a daily basis, the whole purpose of the hijab is defeated. Their hair will be exposed most of the time. Wearing it outside school won't matter much because their hair has already been exposed to people at school. The hijab is regarded as a lifestyle for many women and not like a switch that you can flip on and off whenever you feel like it. It is not just a piece of cloth that is wrapped around their head that can easily be taken off upon anyone's command. Imagine saying you can't wear pants at school but you can wear pants outside school. (Probably a ridiculous example but I will include it here nonetheless for those who might be able to take some understanding from it and link it to the point I am trying to make). There is a deep, symbolic meaning to consider besides the idea of it just being a piece of clothing that Muslim women and girls wear. I think that it is problematic that we are not allowing children to express their religion through wearing clothing and symbols from their religion and allowing for such a school environment where students can be exposed to students who dress from different religions in a multi-cultural, diverse school which can encourage holistic development and tolerance of those who are different to them. This will prepare them for the globalized society that we live in today.
Also, I apologize for the lengthy comments. I sincerely thank all those that took the time to read it, regardless of whether you agree with me or not. I believe that just as it is important to share our opinions and contributions, it is equally important to take the time to listen to the opinions of others. Otherwise it will just be people shouting out opinions and concerns with no one to listen to them and act on them.
Lets hope the UK follows Frances intelligent move
Strong step...
Freedom of speech but you can wear what you like.
May ALLAH protect Muslim women in that country
YOUR SICKO PAL MOHAMMED WAS BORN A TOTAL PREDATOR AND A TOTAL CHILD 🚸 MOLESTER AGAINST YOUNG WOMEN 😂🎉🎉🎉🎉!!!!
They should settle in middle East their land their rule
@@Peaceful_World130 you mean those France Muslim should go to middle east or what!?
@@loukmaneibrahim5028 yes they settle there or follow law of the land we Indian also ban those arab burqa dress in our school
Don't worry, they don't need to be protected by your god, but rather from it.
You could of found a better journalist
Most of the comments say “it’s their country, their rules” but at the same time they say “ how can Afghanistan force women to cover up” or “ how can this country ban homosexuality” hypocrites 😒
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So much for their freedom of expression. Double standards at it's best.
Muslims should leave France
Their tyrant was giving a human right speech
I had to wear the school uniform, couldn't wear what i wanted so i see no issue
@@buzz5695 unvaccinated and unmasked nice try tho
@@buzz5695 how, I agree with the ban on Islamic garb in schools
France becoming based again🗿
I think you meant to say "biased" not based
Nope. Just a logical secular country.
France will never be based, the country is a steaming pile of shit
@@annab9994being logical is when a country oppresses its own people in the name of "secularism"
Children should be equal at school because they are innocent, let them choose when they are adults .
Liberty , fraternity, egality!
Viva la France !
Except schoolgirls. They have to wear what we tell them to! Hooray!
Good!Respect European values or leave!
Respect from the US 🇫🇷🤝🇺🇸
Very very good
I am a muslim woman and i dont see any issues in this. When Qatar hosted the world cup the sharia law was also imposed on foreigners and they had no choice but to abide.
Did they require women to wear abaya or scarf or any muslim clothes?
Very good! You live in our land so you need our rules!
How come middle east countries wont allow christians to pratcie their religion....
Perhaps it is in hopes of preventing them from blowing up their classrooms with something they could wear underneath.
I highly doubt a GUCCI Kaftan could be mistaken for a usually black or blue abaya anytime in the near future.
Are you joking?
Why?
Radical Muslims blowing people up is no joke. @@kashmirmylove6243
the only ppl blowing up places is your western imperialistic govt who you pay taxes to
@@kashmirmylove6243
Are you new?
@@alysonturcin-weller7443 What do you think?
WOMEN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO DRESS WHATEVER THEY WANT AS LONG AS IT IS MODEST ENOUGH
France is so depressing.
Good decision 👍
Abayas and high-heeled sandals 😂😂😂
Make-up! high heel! manicures! pedicure! and abayas 😂😂😂
😂 I noticed that to. Maybe they are tourists
@@irenesara455
They are hypocrites
I live in France. You have hijab wearing girls with three layers of makeup and swearing like a fishmonger
What has that got to do with you?
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Pointing the hypocrisy of those who pretend to be holier than thou is necessary
it only proves that it's a cultural garment and girls like any other human being can be affected by modern tendencies hence why you'd see all this mix. I know most of you don't think of them as equal humans so that's probably where we should be looking at.
If Iran can force women to wear them why can france force them not to?
France is the real chad 🔥
Good for France