Britain's Niqab: Should it be worn in the UK?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ต.ค. 2013
- Jackie Long debates the wearing of the niqab with a panel including writer Shalina Litt, community activist Sahar Al-Faifi, writer Douglas Murray and Islam lecturer Khola Hasan.
Yes ban it outdoors. Wear it in private.
Do what they want behind closed doors. NOT anywhere else. Not in any public place.
Exchange these women with Irian women who want a freedom from not see. Swap them so all are happy. Why are we give any visa and citizenship to them? There should be a law for naturized citizenship, if you not adopted to our culture, your right is revoked and sent back.
If you ban it outside your banning women who prefer that level of modesty from going outside
funny isnt in on one hand nudity is allowed, you even have naked bike rides.. yet for some reason modesty is looked down upon..
@@lilyannal5159 what is YOUR CULTURE???? pubs, brothels, strip clubs etc these things werent there 100 years ago and if you had asked those people 100 years ago, the ywould have said this is not part of our culture.. now look..
Ban it, it's ridiculous. Britain is not the Orient. They can wear what they want in their own countries, but not in Britain or in any other Western countries. It's disrespectful to our rules and values. They should leave.
Ahem. Orients are not Muslim. Its Middle-East.
Should they be forced to wear dresses showing their cleavage next? Wear mini skirts? What uniform do you seek to impose in Britain?
I agreed,
THEY LOOK LIKE HALLOWEEN 🎃 SPECIAL 😅😅😅
@theresultofabirth2555 These is very simple,
These is not their country,which part of these is NOT THEIR COUNTRY YOU PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND???
You people don't have any respect for other people's country
@@lazaropeedro8881 explain in detail how it’s disrespectful for someone to choose to cover their face because they prefer having more boundaries than others
NO - it should not be worn and nowhere in all of Europe. Point.
As a British woman, I will not be among people that cannot be identified.
@@sallygardiner7150 Then leave.
@@ayubabdirizak8355you do that
She is a British women and this is her home and likely only home. Muslims are migrants and they can't come in and make her leave. If anyones leaving its the person who doesn't appreciate British culture and would prefer something different.
You should leave abdul @@ayubabdirizak8355
BAN IN PUBLIC PLACES!! ADAPT TO THE CULTURE YOU LIVE IN!!!
Respect this country and its culture. It is not middle east here.
Respect a person's right to dress modestly.
If you want to strip a woman's clothing that she consider is something that is protecting her modesty than it is not the middle east, it is something way worse and you people shouldn’t be talking about women's rights, freedom or human rights around the world with this much gusto.
we need to make the wearing of such garments as demoralising to women...
@@Razia10376 Bigot. Respect works both ways. Respect the laws of the West and the UK if you want to live here. It's about integrating, not taking us over
If you can't except the law of the country, leave@@Razia10376
@@Razia10376 "Respect a person's right to dress modestly." - Dressing like a ninja is not dressing "modestly". It's madness.
As a motorcyclist, I am very often refused to be served at a petrol station, unless I remove my helmet. This is so I can be identified in case I try to drive off without paying. In this country, it is offensive to walk around with your face covered. If a man walked into a bank with a balaclava on, it would be assumed he was about to commit a robbery. Respect British values, or bog off.
They are still required to remove their niqab as and when needed so this isn’t a valid argument.
@@NAStheNomadTROLL!
@@mandypinkney5949 it’s easy to chant “troll” then admit you’re wrong but what I have said is a fact. If not, prove otherwise or be quiet.
Would saudi allow changes in their country. You muslim want your laws every where you go its not right you are in uk either you live by their british laws. Not saudi laws
100!
When IN Rome, DO!!! as the Romans do.
When IN Britain, DO!!! as the British do.
islam is not place dependant
@@AFLAH003Then go to Islamic countries to properly follow your Islam.
@@wanderer2740 will you sponsor my passport and expenses
@@wanderer2740 so you believe in segregation and less rights for some peoples decisions than others
What is this person talking about? Who mentioned rights or segregation. I think the Argument is mostly founded on trying to bring people together by being rid of isolating coverings.
I can't feel safe around anyone who hides their face, and can hide weapons under their clothing.
I keep my distance from those ppl. They’re like living backwards mentally. So irrelevant. Every non Muslim country should ban them 😊
Then you can’t be around anyone with a Covid mask or an American
its only about the faces. Clothings and hats are their choice.
@@reed5823 they can go back where they came from. The country’s people are not safe and it’s not their problem?? What bs is this?
So should everyone walk outside naked? Should we ban that too or pockets or hats it’s not really about niqab is it
If France and Switzerland can ban it why can't Britain ?
Because Britain prefers complete subjugation to their culture. It's not a question of integration, our political masters have sold out to Islam because they like the power it gives them over the people. Just my opinion of course 😉
No because they care more about being called a racist than their country national security
Britain are weaker than us (France). But even France are weak, so thats sad for Britain.
vote bank politics. they cast vote en-block. it matters when they constitute 10-15% of electorate
Because it’s stupid it’s a western country where you have the right to wear whatever you want. It’s freedom and UK has a duty to uphold that no matter what.
“Let us be open and engaging” she says with her face completely covered
Well don't ask me to engage with just a slit revealing two eyes. Just seeing them on the screen all in black, even down to the gloves, is intimidating enough. What does Black signify to the western world - death, black magic and the underworld. :(
wow almost like she didn't mean it physically
Brilliant point.
Islam is open only if you play along with them
“You have nothing to fear?” Anyone remember one of the London bombers escaping the uk wearing his sister’s ninja outfit?
If you don’t like our laws and culture, you should leave.
This is as bad as people that identify as pot plants and enforce the use of their Mickey Mouse pronounce.
France , Denmark, Switzerland, have band it and so should we time to stand up and protect our country and culture
Turkey had banned it in 00’s before the arrive of Erdoğan and that decision made Turkey more conservative and cause to the lost the laic gouvernement to Erdogan… Banning something that you dont want to see is the stupidest thing its gonna react like epidemic. Banning something is giving the power to it. i think UK dealing that subject with more dignity . Banning something make the country much miserable
'protect out country and culture'. Pathetic that your culture is SO FRAGILE that a woman dressing modestly could destroy your culture.
Islam and Muslims have been part of British and European society, culture and history for centuries, whether you like it or not.
@@ZaydDepaor absolutely agree
Protect "ur" country from wht people who cover them self's up because they feel comfortable in the way they dress
they basically don't care what other people think. and we should care about what they think for what reason??
THEY have no concern for our country they simply do as they like its sickening!!!
🤣🤣 200 years ago people felt same about British in India
@georgecarlinn6288 The difference is we left this lot are only here for benefits etc also they are convinced they will rule the world!!! They should be living in a Islamic state they are nothing but, RELIGOUS FANATICAL LUNATICS!!!!!
@@georgecarlinn6288 It's not 200 years ago.
@@georgecarlinn6288 Then let's send these muslims to India.
They are most ungraceful group of people on earth.
No, you live in Britain, you follow our laws!!💯💯💯
and the laws are freedom of religion...
😊👍👍👍 absolutely
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They would not allow u to do what u want in their country. Believe me
I bet they wouldn't allow men to wear a niqab.
How do we know they are who they say they are?????
You don’t need to know if a doctor or a security guard or a policeman needs to see my face for security reasons or any other niqabis face they get to see that but regular men cannot they have no reason or right to
NO SUCH CLOTHING SHOULD BE WORN !
As a woman in my late 60s, I just despair that there are young educated women that actually want to dress like this and make arguments in favour of something so ridiculous. It's beyond sad.
Agree
As a woman 60 a Muslim I answer to God , the in the way I dress, and so why do you feel the need to trample over me and my religious freedoms ? Do you get upset about boobs pouring out of bras, and butt bare and showing it All or skirts so short they are mistaken for blouses ? . Please don't attempt to bend over in your Corporate offices . See in society it's such the norm that when you don't see boobs and butts you get ticked off
I also despair women running around half naked trying to sell that wh*ring around is empowering
Just because you’ve spent your life uncovered and been the object of many people’s wondering obsession’s and gazing eyes it does not mean everybody wants to live their life like that.
What a ridiculous comment
Douglas Murray talks more sense than any one in the government good luck sir be safe 👍
Agreed. I am concerned for his safety because he is saying what most of us are thinking, but the volatile section of society would probably like to do him harm.
He's an intelligent and truthful speaker on many many subjects; and I've never known him to be untruthful on anything.
If I wore a Ski mask walking into a Bank' Garage' Post office or any shop there would be an Armed response unit straight away 🤔
It's 2024, and we are seeing more niqab wearing people in the UK and less of these conversations and debates in media. That's worrying.
As a woman do I talk about my human rights being dressed as I want when I come to Saudi Arabia?
So you’re asking, why we don’t behave like a murderous dictatorship like Saudi that only just allowed its women to drive? This is a serious question?
bearing in mind the Saudis have relaxed their laws on female dress.
Saudi Arabia is a total different country to the uk You should respect the laws there As the uk is so different and multi cultured with many religions.People are free to express and dress the way they choose in the uk Not all countries have the same laws and some have more freedom such as the western society
When we compare ourselves to a 3rd world dictatorship, it doesn’t set the bar very high now, does it?
@@laurahunter3675a total different country my rear entry... The difference being that Saudi Arabia publicly flogs anybody who is different.. preventing it being a different country.
The Quran only states that women should dress modestly. It does not say they should be completely veiled and only allowed to show their eyeballs. The veil is completely banned now in some countries like France.
It’s the male cheauvanists in there society that made that a thing to do,it’s a male dominated society in there world
When I see such an attire on a woman, I immediately see a VGG. This attire is very degrading and degrades women to only being a VGG. Poor mahometans.
Even in some Muslim countries. Morocco bans the full head covering, and it is a Muslim country.
It should be here too,far too tolerant here
Correct. It’s a bastardization of the admonition to dress modestly. If you want to be in your culture, you should remain in the countries you feel at home.
It's not about fear. It's about our cultural norms. It's just plain rude to ignore British values. If I go to a Muslim country, I wear appropriate clothes.
Why they do not live in a muslim country ?
The visa is not easy.
@@DoodiePunk because islamic countries know how to deal with extremists.
They hate them more than we do.
@@DoodiePunk I always encourage young Muslim couples I meet to have many, many children because I want their kids` generation to be the first one in the UK where Muslins outnumber non-Muslims. Then least we`ll get all the betting shops in the high street closed down. And the best quality coffee and fruit juices served in a traditional English country pub`.
@@user-hh2vw6td3rLower the taxes and people will have more kids
They are 3 generations immigrants or more
And let's not forget that this is Britain. We as a majority should dictate the rules that we find socially acceptable, we should not be dictated to by any religion or culture.
Well said.
you forget who the majority is, they populate like rabbits just to win majority
Stay strong- allowing one will open flood gates you cannot contain, see the mass killings and libraries being burnt in Europe- they thought they can reform them and assimilate but no islamists don't assimilate. That religion has just one purpose to eliminate all others and not by peaceful persuasion by killing, murdering and more. Most of the proponents of islam here are pakistani stooges masquerading as Sikhs (a religion within India who fought Islam for hundreds of years) and had to go through inhuman slaughter of their Gurus (equivalent of Pope if not Christ) by the same Islamic rulers within the subcontinent. And it's not like todays muslim don't wanna identify with those barbaric rulers, they instead praise them- name their missiles and teach school kids about them to become like them some day so that their terrorist religion can be spread throughout the world and all jews, hindus, christians, and other non muslims are killed if they don't convert by the judgement day . Remember these people are not like germans who atleast acknowledge Hitler as evil and reformed- islam don't allow reform and books of hadith follow strict rules for society - if you don't believe go visit Afghanistan yourself and see how many women are free to do as they please or even allow education in today's taliban regime.
Deport
exactly as the muslim nations dictate to anyone living within their national borders.
In this climate where terrorism and radicalization are at high possibility, looking at someone and not knowing who they are is highly stressful. I never understood why theses people wanted to leave their country to come to the UK without being willing to assimilate.
For the benefits only.
Well said.
Because when Mohamed died in the year 632 he instructed all faithful to INVADE, DESTROY AND DOMINATE SO THAT ISLAM RULES THE WORLD. And that is what all these Muslim "refugees" and "immigrants" are doing. Invasion by stealth. And that is why they never go to another Muslim country.
Their intention is to subvert our culture and outbreed us and take over. Their ideology teaches that,
They want to take over the west and introduce sharia rule.
Absolutely not. I find it offensive, taking women back to medieval times.
to YOU.
To me, i feel more protected from societies's standards this way, and happier. Cry about it.
So walking naked is the modern way??
@ade9827 to do it in your house...u people do every crime inside that Black thing....seriously these people don't see how the women in Afghanistan...and u people defend it
Douglas Murray is fighting the same battle to this day. Don't know where he gets the strength. It's so depressing.
Thank you Mr Murray
In her late 70s my mum became afraid to do her own shopping because she was loudly accused of being racist in a supermarket when she refused to be served by a lady in a veil. She was deaf and could only lipread. Her explanation was rejected by the supervisor. Her self confidence was stripped away and she never went anywhere alone again for fear of it happening again.
How dreadful. We should be safe in our own country. This is a Christian country, Islam has no place here.
So sorry - she absolutely deserved better in her own country 😡
This particular religion is ......well misogynistic is a mild way of saying what needs to be said ...anti Western....WHY are they here???
PLEASE go to countries of your own faith, and stop OFFENDING US!!!
She was recist though, wasn’t she?
But we should ignore people of
their bigoted ways if they are old. I generally ignore such a people, but It's hard to when you're just doing your job but people disrespecting you not because of your behaviour or the way you served them but the way you dressed, you didn’t dressed inappropriately or anything, you hiding hiding your own body parts for modesty's sake is the problem of another, why so?
Me personally would still be polite and give them the servers they want, but It's hard generate sympathy.
She wants to strip away another's clothing but in return, her self confidence was stripped away by being accused of something she was, I don’t know what to feel about that.
@afsanaaktar1037 It is essential to NOT cover your face when in public roles - you live in the uk I presume - not Iran - you can return to an Islamic country if you don't like the West. How offensive muslims are.
Give them a freedom to wear niqab - but only at home. Not in the street. In the street the face and the facial expression has to be visible. It is 90% of communication.
I agree for the veil, not for the hijab. Hijab can be worn without covering your face.
Ironically only at home they do not wear the Hizab.
Also who are you to allow or disallow what a woman should wear, what she shouldn’t? Walking around naked is something civilized in your country but modesty and full clothing isn't? I am sorry to inform you, in that case your country isn't civilised in any way.
Also, you are not a police or a security officer, if a security officer asked to see her face, a muslim woman would show her face.
Also curious, did you ever felt the need to strip people from their medical mask during Covid? For security reasons ofcaurse.
@afsanaaktar1037 you accused my deaf mother under my comment of racism because she needed to lipread and requested an assistant without a veil, so i want to answer this question about covid masks. The deaf community requested that people serving customers be provided with transparent masks. In some (not enough) instances this was done. Had my mother been alive during that time and could not see through a mask to lipread she would have requested a person with a transparent mask to serve her if possible, and if it was not possible she would have been unable to communicate, just as she was when faced with an assistant wearing a veil. That would have happened regardless of the race of the person. Before you scream racism in all cases try thinking.
@@Razia10376
Please, do not move to the country which you consider uncivilized.
And do not start to teach us here “ your civilization”.
Stay home. And wear your mask at home.
@@Razia10376
You are right. Our values are totally incompatible. So - please stay in your culture if you cannot accept different value.
Go back home and wear your niqab there.
There is nothing in the Quran that suggests wearing stuff like that. Even Muslims from Lebanon know this..
It's too bad the sane muslims have to live in fear from their extremist brethren and aren't allowed to pass on a version of Islam more compatible with freedom and democracy.
These people should be leading the Muslim communities in the west and these islamist weirdos should go live where everyone thinks and believes as they do.
So wht is niqab abt then
@@sussiefabo4046 Dunno, but the Druze from Lebanon only talk about protecting or hiding genitals. Maybe things might have mixed up with the years and different interpretations.
It has read quran 33.59 with its tafasir , unfortunately its an disgrace the way it came to divide women between free women and slaves and all this women are still defending this .. unfortunately not many Muslims want to read and understand quran as it is and check the injustice within this..
@christophekennis3599 There is no hejab in Ghoran. It’s men controlling women and these idiots don’t know it cause they live under British law to protect them. These idiot don’t know that by covering themselves they are loosing all their right. Women in Muslim countries are getting killed fighting for a bit of freedom like them.
as ex muslim, I don't think wearing hijab should be a problem in work forces but Niqab would be difficult since you have to interact with people & your co workers have to recognise you specially in non muslim countries
Majority do not mind Hijabs (headscarves) and especially the younger generation who are so creative with their designs. But the majority strongly object to face veils. Do you know that face veils have been used by terrorist men and murders to escape being identified.
So have face masks. Should face masks be banned too?
Hijabs are nice. I like those.
@keifer7813 they are in courts and important places . This is stone age stuff.
@@stuarthardy3070 Face veils are already banned in courts and other important places
I mind.
If they can wear the hijab in the UK then I should be able to wear a mini skirt and bikini top in their country without any issue and carry a Bible around! True “equality” and “diversity” that they claim to want!
Bikini is something else, but yes, you can wear a nun outfit and carry a Bible openly. I myself studied in a Catholic school (grammar) under some respectful nuns in Pakistan, so your point is not valid
You are right.
Exactly! Wearing a hijab is mentioned as their personal choice in a non-Islamic country, but choosing to dress as we prefer is unacceptable in Islamic countries!!! Hypocrisy at its bestz
@@abusufiyan9089 I'm a woman in my 60's and you definitely wouldn't want to see me in a bikini 👙 🥴🤣
I neither want to see any women in bikini nor judge them by their looks or sexualize them.
It's the words and personality that matter
And by something else, I mean it's not related to religion or dress code
It should be banned in all places in Britain
I am a muslim and i am also afraid to see these letter boxes
There's no reason to shun fellow muslims just because they choose to display modesty in a way you don't approve of
ittaquillah
These women never go to work yet want a pension
"There is something fundamentally ludicrous about someone dressed like you are, talking the language of modern human rights." Thanks, Douglas Murray!
This is ridiculous, why are you living like in a medieval time warp. You sound like a Brit,how can I talk to you, I don't even know if it is you behind that cloth speaking! Insane...
Why should their rights not be respected. I don't understand these western values that talk about freedom but not the freedom of people to follow their religion
@@wahmad8211we are better than you, deal with it.
Don’t like it, leave.
@@davidevans916 i think many would go back to their countries had the uk and usa along with some corrupt local leaders not destroyed their chances of a better democratic nation.
@@davidevans916 I respect you for being honest about your racist views i really do. Many people just act racist while saying they believe in equality
If your face can’t be seen, you’re regarded as someone who has bad intentions or about to do a crime. There’s a reason why criminals cover their faces or wear masks.
?????
I can't believe there is someone saying this while no one ever is questioned for having a medical mask on (which was almost everyone these last years and still) that leaves only eyes visible
@@abderrahmanlahiaouni9172 be logical. A medical facemask doesn’t cover your entire head or your entire face. You can still be recognized even wearing a medical facemask. Have you seen a robber wearing a medical facemask in disguise? A medical facemask that’s akin to a burqa doesn’t exist. What a lame argument.
just admit you want to see their faces
@@Aksarallah and what’s wrong with seeing their faces? A normal person would want to see the face of the person he/she’s talking to or the persons around to identify them. And it’s for comfort or security purposes and not for perverted reasons like what you’re trying to insinuate.
Honestly, it would make me feel uncomfortable to be surrounded by this, especially in an air port government agency, in social gatherings ect… You don’t know if they have a bomb or guns ect…
The same goes for any kind of clothing people can hide things in their trousers or backpack or jacket hiding it on their face is seriously less reasonable and uncomfortable also far more likely to be spotted
Absolutely not make it illegal now or deport them
They’re born in the UK where do you want to deport them to the UK 💀
When a religion dictates certain things and their followers are required to follow the rules and they are happy to do so, they should go and do it in their own countries. Not in Uk
The U.K. colonised half of the world and did what they wanted in the countries they colonised. The majority of people who practise wearing niqab were born here so be a good citizen and mind your own business. The U.K. professes its a secular and democratic country, well these people aren’t telling you how to dress or live your live so shut up and get on with your life.
@@PsyOps404 😂😂😂
@@PsyOps404 It is a perfectly natural response to feel wary of people wearing niqab and want it banned because it makes the person wearing it anonymous - it hides their identity to everyone interacting with them. The same cannot be said for the hijab, you can still see the person's face. If niqab was banned, UK would still be one of the best countries for religious freedom. Compare to other countries like Islamic ones, in Saudi Arabia you can't practice any other religion except Islam publicly and other religious buildings such as Christian churches are banned. Overall point, UK is secular and there is big religious freedom - however, there must be balance and if most of the population feels unsafe because of the niqab then it is perfectly acceptable for it to be banned.
As I understand it, there is nothing in the Quran about it. It was decreed some years ago by some Mullah or something and has become part of their culture. Anyway, women are second class to the extremists who control them. Slightly higher in status than a dog. Just possessions. Supposedly, wearing the tent, etc, stops them from inflaming the passions of men.
@@PsyOps404 So did Portuguese, Spanish, Asian, Arabs, Chinese, and, any other civilizations before them, and that doesn't mean anyone should disrespect the country that gives these people another chance in life.
Douglas is a legend!!! The embidiment of England!! Let him lead the country!
Yh a nation of homosexuals
He's not a legend, he's a sneering, hate filled, racist.
He is 👍🏻
He isn't.@@janeburke147
He is a son of the Scottish Hebrides.
I have a respect for the lady in headscarf in the panel. She said to the lady covered in the audience to not only talk about her rights but to also talk about her responsibility towards society. I think she said muslims are being hated because of this before she was cut off.
It should be banned
And they are aggressive and pure bullies
Straightforward truth .
If "the veil " is normal in East London, it shows how far we've fallen.
what?? you really said that? what a ridicolous opinion. you should see, just compare it between a woman who wear niqab being fully covered and a woman that shows most of her skin, her body. who would you see as a woman with no sense of shameful? a woman should be concern at what she's wearing. if you learning something about Islam, you're gonna know how to dress properly. yes. wearing a niqab (veil) is not mandatory, it's sunnah, but it's part of the act of worship for muslim women.
@@citrawardani7106Do not be disrespectful to the rooted British people, this Country is not and never has been Islam. I respect Islam, but within its own homelands. The face covering may be suitable and respectful for your religion, but you are in Britain and this is not Islam. There is a saying "When in Rome do as the Romans do" meaning when you are in any other Country, you must abide by their way of life, traditions, values, morals and culture.
You are right about our own Country and your observation of young women being scantily dressed, but the intentional poor education of our own and the 'agenda' allowing our own people to be dumbed down and under the influence of some very low military grade 'mind manipulation/control' both in person and online, through specific programming is no doubt responsible for the last 30 years in which this de- programming of Britain has influenced and corrupted our younger generations to a sad level in many situations, part of the bigger agenda 100%! But the fact is, Britain is not Islam, and the face coverings are not acceptable in Britain. It is right that the previous comment showed concern. I respect all rooted people within their own homelands, when they are in mine, or I in theirs, then the each others Country and way of life is to be respected completely. God bless you 🙏
yeah YOUVE fallen. simply respect it, we’re not hurting anyone??
@@Tracey-zr5do Couldn't have said it better myself.
Then go to Saudi and do.....
@@citrawardani7106
If you live in Britain, wear it indoors, not outside. It’s a country who doesn’t wear them, so respect OUR religion and culture.
I was referring to the outfit that covers the whole face apart from their eyes. I don’t believe you should be allowed into banks etc where we are not allowed to wear helmets covering the face
@Yoga Meditation NO, they do not respect our culture in Britain. Uncover the heads so we know who is in there.
@Yoga Meditation faces definitely need to be uncovered but this is not the case always.
Yes! Ask them point blank, do they 'respect' Christianity! The semantics would be hilarious if the situation was not so serious. I honestly think that God will deal with this madness (i.e. read invasion), and send a plague of Biblical proportions upon the adherents of the religion of peace. And it will happen globally, everywhere. Just my thoughts, and thank you Douglas Murray!
Lol, even many muslim countries banned it 😂
Does UK only have one religion? Isn't it secular country? What about those who's families are form uk but they are Muslims and wanna wear burka?
No there’s an intolerance for any other Religions apart from Islam in Islamic society
I dont normally agree with Yasmin, but on this I do. The Niqab is horrible looking, should be banned. There should be a public vote in the UK.
As a liberated ex-Muslim, i find the real irony being that these and other women who share their views exploit the virtues and freedoms of British democracy to openly practice, propagate and express their religious allegiance to an ideology, the law of which, if they had their way, would replace the existing constitution and remove many of the freedoms they have exploited to argue their case.
Oh yes
Well said
They are just making a point "look at me", they are radicals end of!
exactly
same to you.
double standard
I agreed with the woman in the black Niqab, but I disagreed with the woman in the black Niqab and the woman in the black Niqab didn't know what she was talking about. Fortunately the woman in the black Niqab made a great point.
That joke would work better if one of them wasnt in a grey niqab.
Personally, I found the woman in the Black Niqab rude and ill-tempered.
YOU NAILED IT!!!!!!!
CigarSmoke&StoreBrandCola are you color blind
fred smith
hahaha right on
How do you know who they are?
These people have killed British comedy
Obviously nobody except probably Murray has ever read “Reading Lolita in Tehran.”
Here it is 13 years later and still the cultures don't get along. Keep them seperate, UK for Western culture and Middle East for their culture.
Just look at how aggresive those ninjas are. Absurd
@@Lilly-hh9es who said anything about aggression? YOU
@@az-yq3rk The Muslims are the Ninjas and they are just aggresive
@@Lilly-hh9es please they r peaceful why are you accusing them they r victims 🤪
islam isa religion , its not a cultural but a religous thing
At my daughter's school, young girls were allowed to wear all this headgear, even in the gym. I'm sure if this headgear had got caught up in the gym equipment, there would be uproar from the misguided parents. Incidentally, no other girl is allowed to wear even a small pair of earrings, for safety reasons. Are we pandering or what?
I read your comment and then your name and it all made sense,
@@PsyOps404oh you can read. Good news. 😂
@@user-gs9tb4tl4d Why are you eyes so far apart? You could audition for the next the hills have eyes movie
Just separate men and women Gym. In my college( It’s an Islamic country), in the Gym, men and women are separated by a partition.
I heard a lot of incidents in the Gym, many incidents of rape, indecency, accusations were happening( particularly about women accusing men, staring at them, men accusing women wearing indecent clothing). Gym is a space that people do acrobatics and they should be able to do that in peace. It should have been separated in the first place.
To answer your question, yes, it is pandering, but it is something that the girl's will be particularly grateful for, education/health or your faith isn’t something that a decent authority should put a person in.
In my opinion, the girls should still not be authorized to use dangerous machinery where it could be hazardous and instructed to make sure nothing is hanging(Yes it's possible).
@@Razia10376 Just separate yourself from us please. We do not want you. Thanks.
As an Oghuz Turk, I would like to say this: The Ottoman Empire ruled the countries in the Middle East for 500 years. None of them adopted Turkish culture. And he didn't respect that. They have a god named Allah and they live and die according to his rules. The man has complete dominance over the woman. If he opposes it, there is a provision in the Quran that will kill him. Every Muslim knows this verse. Surah Anfal 39. Fight them until the religion becomes entirely the religion of Allah. They take great pleasure in damaging public property at the slightest rebellion. It seems that the British people will learn this the hard way, at a great cost. Thank you
No, it shouldn't be worn. They should be respectful of other countries culture.
Family photos must create a lot of memories!
They don't wear it in front of the family educate urself
@@Mun7 - That was meant as a joke, stupid.
Especially if it's a family with lots of girls. I just don't get why these people come to the UK if they want to practice Islam, go to IRAN, go to SYRIA, leave the UK!!!
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If i went on holiday to Dubai i wouldn't be allowed to wear shorts or a bikini on the beach. As much as i love to wear shorts in the summer i would be made to cover my legs up. I wouldn't get offended about it, i'd respect their law and culture.
Did you go to Dubai there are white women running in bikinis in the street
I wore a bikini and shorts in Dubai 40 years ago ! Never get drunk in an Islamic country.
Then why don’t you as a British person want to respect your own laws and culture which say that you have religious freedom?
@@DrBananaMr I was referring to the laws in Dubai.
@@rachelbailey52 the thing is you go to Dubai, you won’t be forced to wear anything, it’s just frowned upon, there are no laws against you going out in a bikini at the beach else all those Instagram pics of girls in Dubai would’ve had them arrested and jailed or fined I think people don’t realise as a Muslim you can’t force anything on another person, it’s their choice to obey or disobey god now there are countries around the world that you could be told to cover up and a lot of those countries are Christian too not t just Islamic countries, people forget not every countries like the western ones
The aggressive blinking though the mail box got me dying 😂😭😂😭
Yes Where do buy this from?
most communication is non-verbal, but most of that non-verbal is facial.
also, full coverings are a major security risk.
“You’ve got nothing to fear from us” oh boy did that age well..
So funny, how many ladies wearing the face covering have made you afraid? What attacks, crimes or atrocities did they perpetrate? 🤔
@@NAStheNomad if that’s what you extracted from my statement, you should probably read it again. It’s not specifically related to the face covering (as much as I detest it), it’s more the ideology. Hope that’s clearer.
Indeed.
And now some of them are so deluded that they are calling for Sharia Law in a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.
They openly call for Intifada on the streets of The UK.
An utter disgrace and not adapting to our laws or values.
yea, none of the terrorist attacks in the UK have anything to do with muslims
@@FinalFailure-pk5mw they are very very few in relative numbers. Regardless, if one chooses to cover their face and it doesn’t involve banks, airports or other security, what’s the issue? What’s next, beanie hats?
How do they even know the people on the stage are who they say they are?
There witches they are not British
How can you identify anybody in that thing?
When we communicate, we don't just use words. We express ourselves with facial expressions as well. Women who hide their faces have something to hide. They are choosing NOT to communicate.
Are you ok? you do realise that they wear it to hide their beauty as instructed by Allah
@@ridaz442 Yes. The Quran is grossly unjust to women. Why should beauty be hidden?Men are responsible for their own behaviour. Islam is vile.
@@ridaz442 Hahaha yeah right like Allah takes personal offence 🤦
Hecisnt real @@ridaz442
That's creepy conspiracy & makes ppl scared. U dont even know it's a man or a woman. Could be t.st.
Can you imagine having this kind of conversation/ communication in an Islamic state country 😅😅😅 this would never fly at all
Would you be allowed to go through customs wearing your mask in one of their countries??
You wouldn't argue in a Muslim country
Ha ha... Imagine taking a group photo... All black n just eyes
@@lalithags6287 at this point why even take a photo..😂😂😂
Generally we like to see "open" faces everywhere. We even prefer the men to shave their faces as well. We also don't like to see people in masks, caps and helmets. We allow soldiers, priests, judges, nurses and religious persons to wear their uniforms or habits. We also allow the Sikhs to wear a turban and keep their beards but generally their dressings are modern and they are not dress like the conservative Muslims in the niqab.
The question should not be asked because they should not be here.
why cant they just accept the culture they immigrated in? they want to live like they couldve in their homeland, but dont want to live in their homeland.
Personally it makes me feel uncomfortable especially if they are in a group ,unable to see their faces or knowing who is under there ,it is a security risk in certain places ,you can't wear a helmet in a bank and certainly should not be in schools
And it could be a man wearing a suicide belt! Frightening!
A muslim woman wearing veil will show their faces without any question if a security officer asked to for security reasons.
And you could also be hiding bombs under your clothing, should you also stop wearing clothes?
ban them, simple as that, if the men dont like it, take your women to islamic countries, we are not one and aim to stop becoming one
What about face masks. Does a person wearing one make you uncomfortable too?
@@keifer7813 yes it does
It should be banned totally inappropriate for a western coyntry. Cant tell if its a man or a woman. From Scotland.
We can’t wear bikini in their countries, in fact, they don’t EVEN debate the matter.
And yes, it is scary, I always cross the street or move as far as possible.
I think of myself as a very liberal person, but I can't help to find a woman wearing a Niqab very creepy.
+Stars I do think that it would be difficult for a woman to be fully integrated into Western Society, if other people can't see her face. Their claim that they desire to be accepted into British life, seems disingenuous when they insist on making themselves less approachable.
+Stars I'm an Atheist, so I find all of these sectarian issues beyond my understanding, but I do realize that religious belief does exist, and it must somehow be managed, until education and access to information will reduce the relative numbers of worshipers.
Although in the mean time couldn't devout Muslim woman wear the Hijab? So their bodies could be completely covered, with just the face showing.
+Darcy Houston That's because as a liberal person, you don't like symbols of oppression. The niqab is an expression of the same mentality that punishes women for being raped.
+Darcy Houston
I remember when I was about 6 being taken to Harrods toy department and in walk three niquab wearing / tent wearing women with their kids. Totally freaked me out. A couple of other younger kids - about 4 - started crying. I still think what the fuck but now I also see, in the back of my mind, a bloody great swastika.
+Darcy Houston This is what happens when a party is more concerned about getting votes rather than what's best for the country. The labour party wants the muslim vote they will support the burka simply on that basis alone.
I am deaf and communication is not possible because I lip read
me too
Why bother trying, it's not as if they make any effort to communicate with us. They prefer it that way, but point taken, in our society covering your face is a sign you have something to hide.
Great point
So you can read words on paper and on phone right? You can understand nodding yes and no right? Why would you wanna see a girl face that you don’t know and make her feel uncomfortable meanwhile you had other available options? This is not an excuse i can pull my phone up and tell you the answer, just like i did now.. as long as British girls are welcomed in middle east without being told to cover up because we respect people’s rights and freedom so you should too people, let us live in peace instead of making big deal about wanting to see our face for “life or death reasons” yall are so sick, i can literally change my face with make up why isn’t make up banned tho??
The percentage of niqabis in the west is 1%I think you’ll be fine.
I'd imagine come Halloween, they'll never worry about costumes 😂!
Haven't seen Yasmin Alibhai-Brown in years, glad to see she still talks a lot of sense.
Can we go to their country and wear shorts or a mini skirt ?
yes you can. but later you might come back to your home country without a head.
So your argument is that you are as bad as these countries? Is that your position? Interesting
No you can’t because in our religion this is disrespectful and effects on the people’s peace when it doesn’t you the same situation in your country or religion
Absolutely you can wear it but don't cry later when you get raped on the streets
@@rahululla7637 bs, stop spreading false information rahul
can someone explain how wearing a bag over your head is liberating please
+Nazmul Slater tell dr who I've found the darleks. EXTERMINATE.EXTERMINATE.
fuzzy wuzzy wazza woman focusing on inner beauty vs outer ?
It isn't liberating. Islam has no place in the West. Resist.
Kate
Kate,
I have slept with a number of white British women and two of them told me they wished they had been a virgin when they got married and stayed with one man.
They told me that they were ashamed that they had slept with more than one man.
Your own countrywomen admit this!
Kate
No way I would marry a western woman that has been done by more than one man. Never!
The thing is niqab isn't even compulsory in islam....
Islamic law is a solid system for 100s of years that works in any society, even being implemented in Dubai, Qatar, Oman, Egypt, Indonesia, Türkiye etc. But the UK keep changing there laws and system to get out of problems. British values, give us all a break. British values only came about in the 21st century , and no body can hate on what I'm saying, I'm just practicing 'Freedom of expression'
Disclaimer: I'm not trying to insult a specific individual, I just want people to open their eyes.
if anyone has a question about this comment, they may reply for any clarification. 👍
What is so interesting to me about this subject is that many countries around the world where Muslims are immigrating to are having difficulty with the Muslims integrating into the cultures they have chosen and asked to be a part of but fail to consider that culture and do nothing to ease their own way, or the way of the citizens of that country. In short, they have no consideration for the culture they are asking to belong to and expect instead to be accommodated. This is why so many countries are now slamming their doors shut to Muslims and even deporting them. They must consider that their way of being is very foreign to non-Muslim cultures and it is they who must adapt, not the citizens of the countries that are allowing them in.
I agree.You would think that they would want to live in a Muslim country.If I was going to move I’d want to go somewhere that I could fit right in.I would never consider a Muslim country 😳
i am a muslim and do veil and wear abaya because it is mandatory in my religion. I know that we should respect culture but is the order my Allah so i will never take it off in order to make someone feel better but I would definitely not consider living in a non muslim country where they find this attire unacceptable !
@@justsayit5251where did allah order you to wear a face covering 🤔 nothing in the Quran about that at all! It’s a man made rule
@@madeleinel6089 Read Surah al Nisa and with tafseer
@@justsayit5251 no, I’m not reading anything! You stated that allah ordered you to wear it, I’m asking when did he order you to wear it, and what did he say. I thought Muslims followed the Quran 🤔 there’s nothing in there that says woman have to be covered head to toe!
They look like they’ve come off the Star Wars set
Halloween zombies
Woookies in Star Wars
Ewoks lol 😂
racist
@@hathoramedia try a Muslim country ,every where else your a bank robber
You live in UK, you follow the rules there. If you wanna disappear as a woman dressed like that, there are so many countries in the Middle East that can accommodate. Plus, so many crimes can be committed dressed like that or victims of domestic violence can go undetected.
I happened upon this video by chance. This was 10 years ago. I do not think multiculturalism has worked out well for Western society. Since there have been quite a few Jihadist incidents in Western cities, I would venture to say many people who are not Muslim would be frightened if they saw a person wearing a full burka a hajib and a niqab with only their eyes visible. This might work well for Muslim women in traditional Muslim countrues where this type of dress is the norm, but not in mainstream Western society. Whatever happened to When in Rome do as the Roman's do? I think respecting the norms of a society puts the majority of the people more at ease. Furthermore, as far as schools are concerned, educators found that certain types of garb are distractinfg to the students and incite behavioral problems. Hence, uniforms for students are now becoming more of the norm.
Multiculturalism. That's what people all go back to...
This is a religious issue
Multiculturalism refers to (1) the state of a society or the world in which there exists numerous distinct ethnic and cultural groups seen to be politically relevant; and (2) a program or policy promoting such a society.
I remember when my young child saw a woman covered in the street, he started screaming from fear. 😢
Can’t even tell which one of these women are talking unless their hands are gesturing.
Can you even tell if its a woman beneath or a bomb strapped messenger?
They look like a bunch of bandits hiding behind those masks.
Boris Johnson is now being targeted, and branded a racist for saying this.
J Baj92 please resubmit, in English if that’s within your powers.
Curtailing freedom of speech however is a crime.
Wearing a religious/cultural garb is not freedom of speech.
However, freedom of expression is a 2 way street..... they express their cultural views so I will express my displeasure at it.
No,, bandits now wear black hoody's and show their faces; Worse than bandits! Guess they liked watching the Lone Ranger right ?
-they're all speaking the same thing., don't see much individuality there; They came to a country wherein they have "rights" to speak their mindS and only seem to have one! They're so ignorant of their own "practices", being to be sure to not be seen by jealous male friends of their husbands that they "the aha moment" , wait for it....that they come to a country to shove it's own laws back into (our) their own faces! They found a "cause" aid I'd bet you fifty bucks, it ain't based on ANY freedom to practice their "religion." Go to Mecca for your religion-why come here ? Oh, now it's "humanity?". They seem to enjoy that "right" to the point of "Entertaining" humanity with it! Seems to me the only real freedom they "deserve to have respected" is the Freedom To Hide, while "acting out.".
Hi from 2020 pandemic.
Forget about everything else, the worst part is Muslim women feel proud in wearing hijab instead of opposing it and even worse is that the Bites are having a debate if it should be allowed or banned instead of throwing these people out, who are making ghetoes in various parts of their country.
I have mixed opinion here. So during and after the pandemic people normalized wearing a face mask and we lived around 2 years without facial interactions. Being a customer service rep myself , I missed the beautiful smiles and other facial expressions of my customers. Such a human touch. To sum up , if it is a neccesity people normalize it even though it was frustruating for me as a worker facing customers
In Western societies we show our faces end of discussion .
100%
It’s not illegal for them to follow their religion and if it’s in their religion then they are free to do this just like the point she made about jehovas witnesses and Sikhs
Haha have a vote and see what the society wants, stop please and live like everyone else
Funny how they use the other liberties to defend wearing that get up.
Exactly and if they don't like the Western culture then they can kindly leave to a country where showing faces are not the norm.
I remember the first my kids seen two women in black full face hijab. Terrified the life out of them.
If these Muslim woman are free to wear the niqab then Christian's should not be prevented from wearing a Crucifix as a sign of their faith, this is a Christian Country but we are not supposed to show a representation of our faith in case it offends other minorities but it does not matter if we are offended by the niqab we have to accept it
whats the point of introducing someone with their face covered. I dont care what your name is if i cant match a face to it.
^^ #NAILEDIT
It's an insult to Britain to come dressed this way. Our women would have to cover up to go to Saudi Arabia.
It puts another spin on that phrase....they all look the same!
George England absolutely. It should be a two way thing. It's not that europeans feel uneasy in Saudi Arabia so it's not to do with racism. I agree with you mate.
We have lots to fear , they hate Christian,s Jew,s , gays, what more do you want. Like Yasmin,s ideas.
No it shouldn't. If you choose to wear it then go to another country. Sick of seeing these people hiding their faces. It being 'normal' in East London is disgusting. If the law can say you have to wear a face mask then it can be law not to wear one. British society says we show our faces .. I don't know if I'm right or not but this is Britain.
If we don't stand up to these people then our country is lost.
"Our" country wht exactly have u done for this country and if u say ur ancestor fought in the war ,many Muslims served the British arm as well so as much this is ur country its the Muslims to so u should re consider wht u call urs
At 00:14:20 the woman in the audience talks about fear stemming from ignorance, while having her face covered. Yes, we can't see your face, so we don't know who you are. I saw an interview with a female Canadian soldier who was in an artillery regiment in Afghanistan. Because she was one of the only female soldiers in her division, she was moved into a front-line infantry regiment against her wishes. Why? Because UN rules state that only females can search other females, and when entering houses of known or suspected terrorists, the enemy would often dress in female clothes and full face coverings, often because they were hiding weapons or explosives. So she was asked to search these women, who were potentially actually men who wanted to kill her. And yes there were male soldiers with her, but she should not have been put in that position just because she was a woman, and because Western forces actually try and abide by the rules of war. If someone is wearing a full burqua and niqab we cannot see their faces, cannot know if they might be a threat.
Wearing a niqab is against face to face communication, its repressive to women whether they choose or not to wear it in such circumstances and is basically anti British. It’s also something I regret and am offended at because it goes counter to these communication ideals of British people. You can’t know if someone is smiling for example or other body language. I also find it an expression of hiding and actually shutting down ones personality. I would not ban it, but certainly at work, in schools, courts, banks and public and private places it should not be allowed and be discouraged and it should be ok for restaurants or supermarkets to ask people to take it off eg for cctv camera and public safety purposes etc, free of fear of any discrimination. It should be for everyone else to discourage it and not run lines between our culture where we have enough problems already.
just reaching atp
Dude it’s a face
Ship them all back
U just banned it, with that statement! 😂
Why do you feel that you need to know if someone is smiling some people might smile and sucker punch you would that be alright ?, I mean at least you saw the smile and not the action that followed it
I think the biggest issue is that in Western culture we read mannerisms, facial expressions and this forms either trust or no trust between people. I myself watch how people interact with others and their behaviour before interacting with them and barring this will decide whether or not I wish to engage. This is how I am in general with all humans and this is why others don’t feel comfortable interacting with a black sheet and a voice, we need interaction where we can see a person. This is not what it means to be human, we are born naked - we should be feeling the sun on our skin, we should be able to smell the fresh air and to be able to swim in the ocean and lie on grass with nature on our bodies. It’s super strange to me that one would hide from this privilege when they can be free.
youve just ended the future of AI and possible robots in the home🤣
So, basically u mean we should all be nudists. Got it! 😂
Well said
Sounds like you should be seeking to live in a nudist colony just let it all hang out until someone cops a feel than you feel insulted REALLY
@@rachelkristine4669 Bit cold in UK : ) But essentially what is wrong with the human body? Absolutely nothing.
I couldn’t tell which one was talking.
How can you be a teacher teaching children in a naqab!! Or working in a work place?