Norway's Muslim immigrants attend classes on western attitudes to women
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- Every immigrant in Norway must attend classes on female rights and respect for women. The lessons were made compulsory after a string of sex attacks by immigrants in the western city of Stavanger.
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With exclusive access to a class in action in the town of Moi, 65 miles south-east of Stavanger, Jenny Kleeman meets the students and asks whether western values can really be taught in a classroom.
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“They don’t understand our culture and we don’t understand theirs.” Yes buddy, but you are seeking asylum in their country, not the other way around.
Exactly! If you are seeking asylum from one country, why would you bring those beliefs with you! Clearly it didn't work before
Agreed!!
Totally agree.
Disrespecting women cannot be the culture of any group, isn't it?
You beat me to it! I was going to say the same thing!! 👍
" they don't understand our culture"
Why should Norwegians understand Muslim culture?
It's Muslims that have come to Norway.
Not visa versa.
*AMEN*
Learning about other cultures is good no matter what culture it is. It is good to know about East Asian culture, Russian culture, Latin American culture, African culture, Middle Eastern culture, etc...More knowledge about each other will create a better mutual understanding between all peoples of the world and prevent stereotypes and hatred.
ian1 Isn't one the mayor of London?
you dont make a fair percentage of the *western population, as you guys hate it. i wont say no to learning western culture although i may not like it? oh so equality for women is a no no for you? i detest the middle east because you guys are centuries behind us in every walk of life, what you need to do is realize not only the platform your on but most people you speak to are from western civilization and none of us like. there is a small number of people who like islam and muslims and then there is the majority who hate it. your not welcome in western society period
First off all they were forced to come, second did u even watch the video? do you always draw random conclusions like this?
“They don’t know our culture”…. Mate, they DON’T have to know your culture, you are in THEIR country and not the other way around.
It's not a culture it's a religion and they claim they have freedom
That may be true... but change tends to happen smoother and a lot happier when a person who is demanded to change feels they matter and are heard by the other party involved.
how can you expect to appropriately teach a group of people if you disrespect and don't know what they're coming from?
Yessss these people did same to our country and now the opposition leaders support these people
@@meowrx33 then why do they come and not fix their countries???? isnt dubai super rich??? saudi arabia???? no??? none of their help????
I'm Indian and I'm sorry but this isn't a Norwegian thing. This is BASIC respect that women deserve.
Indians are in absolutely no position to lecture anyone about respecting women, let's get that straight first
Yep. And not because they're women, but because they're people.
You're talking about respecting woman while you're subscribed to justpearlythings
@@thiliuc4394 stop being obsessed with me.
I know it is not my place to tell you what to watch but I hope you are not watching justpearlythings to gain something valueble. The things she has said on the internet are just plain wrong.
You want to move to Norway? Learn their culture and values. It's that simple. Also having to teach a grown man to respect women is pretty sad.
Having to?! They don't "have" to do anything.
A lot of western men don’t respect women either
I found this interesting because I am in Ecuador right now and find how most, not all, American and Brits retired/expats behave atrociously, you'd think they had just arrived to the country and find out they've been here 15 years and still can't and won't be bothered to speak Spanish. Not pretty.
@@michellecafe5138 well said.
They didn’t want to, they were forced to move because of what the developed civilized countries done to their beloved own land, and now they are forced to change their own culture and religion for the same reason, really pathetic
If you have to tell men that touching women without consent is illegal I don't think they're qualified to become a citizen of a 1st world country
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Exactly, say it louder
@@AyseIrmakBaglk then these men went on to become the reason norwegian women has to survive from
I wish "I wish "
@@edsonprudencio6796 me 2 😥
In Afghanistan MEN get beaten up for wearing "western clothes". I can’t imagine how it is for the girls…
source:
trust me saar
@@SuhbanIo why do you have courage to comment?. Do you know for a fact that there is no humiliation / violence connected to individuals indulging in western fashion / brands / trends?. After being on the internet for 15 years you start to see a pattern.
@@ProfessionalKafir You haven't proven that men get beaten up for wearing western clothes. So do you answer with proof or do you shift the burden to me to disprove your point? I will tell you one thing:
Even though I don't know for a fact that there is NO violence over western clothes; I do know that you have no proof that there is violence...
Men can wear whatever they want in Afghanistan. That's not true
@@oneplus5562Can Afghan men wear skirts? 😂
7 years later, don’t think it worked out as well as they hoped.
Nope. Since the west is so evil it sure is odd how many want to immigrate here
lol understatement of the century. mass deportations are needed not just in norway but across europe
No it didn't
Wait you know these people?
yeah I hate it here
This is the problem: the Norwegians don't need to understand YOUR culture. You are in Norway, it is your duty to understand Norwegian culture and adjust. You're a guest. FOR EXAMPLE, when I lived in Saudia Arabia, I adjusted my life to their culture, whether I agreed with it or not. It's called Respect. I didn't go there, drink, chase women or petition to start a Christian church.
Why is this so difficult?
I agree with you, it’s important to respect the host country.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to open a mosque? Norway has freedom of religion, unlike Saudi Arabia.
They haven’t come to intergrate or respect. They’ve come to take over.
@@slickrick2420 there needs to be separation of mosque and state...its not fair that western Europe has to accommodate a mosque and we can't have churches in Saudi arabia...
@@skk3940 Don't be ridiculous. None of these immigrants are Saudi.
Your living in Norway now.
Respect the country that has giving you refuge.
Or go home.
bookmeimfrom kenyonis don’t be ashamed to be Arab. This has nothing to do with race. It’s about culture. These guys need to assimilate into Norway’s culture or they can simply go back to their homeland.
@@haltdieklappe7972 thats easy for u to say my home town is full of sexism racism homophobia and no respect my whole race iq known by human traficking and ignorance crimes what is it to be proud of in the arab culture its wjole culture is violent and selfish
@@emerald_kiwi4046 that why u change it
They will never go home. Because their home sucks so they will now make our home SUCK!
Precisely the point of the video and the point of attending those classes.
Why do the Norwegians need to understand your culture , you are the one entering Norway. You need as a foreigner to adapt the Norwegian way of life or at least respect the country that took you in.
TRUE
Exactly why is common sense so hard for people nowadays
When that guy said “but you also need to learn our customs to respect us” no they dont… YOU have to change when you go to their country
exactly
Totally agree. I respect refugees escaping terrible issues BUT they have to accept their new xountry's values! They come across badly, as entitled because they're male
Respect has to be in both ways because a relationship is based of two people putting the same amount of effort
If Norwegians came to Syria and refused to abide by Syrian customs, these men would be outraged. You have absolutely no right to act like you’re above Norwegian law and culture when you are the ones that were chosen to enter Norway.
They came to qatar and did this
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correct!
This happens both ways. I mean didn't the west try to cancel Qatar from hosting the World Cup due to cultural values clashing? I mean don't make this seem one-sided.
@@prof5282Are you seriously calling cultural values execution and slavery?
The guy who kept saying it's better for women to not be equal was such a creep.
@@davideckhart1123 Creep? Welcome to the middle east.
david eckhart The Right is rising. People are finally waking up to the reality.
I think maybe it was slightly lost in translation - english as a second language is a challenge after all - I think the point he was trying to make is perhaps "fixing houses" is such hard physical work that a woman who does this as a career might have regrets lol (I know I would!)
What he said was not so insane. As J says it was slightly lost in translation, but what he was getting at is that despite the now overwhelming rejection in the west that there are intrinsic differences between men and women, the proportion of men working in construction or proportion of women working in kindergartens suggests otherwise. Of course, this is often disregarded as a result of long standing social factors, but that to me seems unlikely. What was not so reasonable was his over generalisation. Obviously it's not the case that "women can't fix houses", it's just that MOST men naturally tend to take an interest in more mechanics based careers.
@@omminnoremac You speak as if all gender roles and social masculine/feminine conditioning has disappeared from the west. I don't think that's the case. I think it just looks that way to a lot of people, maybe because they view the world through the lens of the past, so they compare today's world with how things used to be, and say things like "The world believes in androgyny now" or "The whites are under attack."
Even if it's true that men and women are inherently different, why does it matter so much? You can still do whatever you want with your life. And that would basically be my message. Not "Women are like this and men are like this." But rather "Stay true to yourself. Follow your dreams. You do you boo. You can do whatever you want."
the fact they have to take classes to respect women shocks me even as a boy💀. cause i was always raised in a family where you are supposed to respect women like your elders.
Just suppress your urges. It is that easy.
That what happens when you just read one book
*forced to :)
I was taught to respect everybody regardless of anything else
It isn't really surprising. You were raised on western ideals, they were not. It really is that simple.
The fact they need to take classes on how to respect another human being and not sexually assault people is a major red flag. Arab communities need to do better when raising their young men.
@clairegrace1157 This is what izzlam teaches. The communities think they're raising their young men great.
I'm sure they can improve a lot of things just like you in western Europe have a lot of ways you can improve yourselves. I do not see the difference, no one is perfect.
@@Jerry-br6nw can you really watch this and think people from western europe need as much help acclimating? you can't wave the problems away with "nobody is perfect"
The fact they needed to take this class says a lot.
The fact that they made these classes says a lot.
Participants are not chosen, but obligated to, if they choose to reside in the country, from what I understood.
I think a welcome class is a great idea to help people integrate in a new and alien country. More so, if your a asylum seeker, as they are people who fled the country, because they were about to or were victims of something, and they thought fleeing was their only hope for better life
But there are way more important class they should take - for example class on respecting another religion
Ara fura, Assyrians?
They don't choose where they were born or what they were born into. I'm from a third world country and come from an Orthodox community, but now I'm different. Education is very important.
@Matzuri Kills AMEN Darlin AMEN!!!😊❤❤❤
Abuse towards other people or animals is not "culture," and it's NO excuse.
It is culture. Unfortunately.
that's why they're adapting the western values. it's the fault of the culture, not the individual
@@jackmaitland8496 Human sacrifice used to be culture. . .f
@@maura_the_rose yup and you're point is?
@@jackmaitland8496 Yeah but the individual is a function of his/her culture, and as its very hard to change people, these classes are actually laughable at best; they aren't going to achieve anything......Also it is the individual that does the crime or has the mentality, not the culture, so you cannot absolve the individuals for their bad behaviours. And if its the culture that's bad.....why allow people from such cultures to enter the country?
I come from the future, they didn't understand.
Why are they in Norway if they are not interested in being Norwegian?
We have same in Canada.
To conquer
They're refugees
Maybe because you destroyed their country?
Most of these countries destroyed themselves. It is not Norways responsibility.
I don't understand why asylum seekers want the host country to learn their culture instead of the other way around. What kind of pompous behaviour is this?
IT’S THE LEAST THEY CAN DO SINCE THE WESTERN POWERS RUINED THE MIDDLE EAST
@@dggjr1759 Except for Iraq which other middle Eastern country got ruined? All of Iraq's neighbours seem to be doing very well. In fact they even provided airspace and ground facilities to help the West. Also writing in all capitals does not necessarily make your point valid or sensible.
a j LOOK AT SYRIA, AFGHANISTAN, YEMEN, JUST TO NAME A FEW. EVER SINCE ENGLAND, FRANCE AND THEN LATER THE US STARTED TO HAVE A GREATER INFLUENCE IN THE AREA AFTER WW1, THE WHOLE REGION BECAME A DISASTER
@@dggjr1759 Yemen is being bombed by the Saudis. Syria's issues have nothing to do with the West, it's an internal power struggle between local factions and Assad started in 2011. Afghanistan is not a middle eastern country and are you implying the Taliban rule was better for Afghanistan? But I still do not see why other host countries need to adapt middle eastern culture when they have provided a lot more than other Arab countries have done. In fact EU is paying Turkey on a yearly basis, which other GCC nation has contributed in the same manner?
@@dggjr1759 if you come to someone else's home you should respect. Respect and accept.
Don't like it?
Go home!
Whether you are left wing or right we can all agree
Women are not objects
@John Alejandro Why ?
@John Alejandro what do you mean by "objectifying"? Wearing what they want does not mean they are objectifying themselves, you are part of the problem.
True
Some right wingers don't agree with that
@@chloevitagliano9565 neither did Stalin
Immigrants must show respect and abide by the rules and values of the country they move to. If they don't like those rules and values then they should leave as they are not welcome.
B-B-but…. Their FREE house & money? Oh nooo
I think it would be cheaper for the state to deport this lot
safer for the citizens and culture as well.
They may do as they please.
If a grown man needs to sit in a classroom and be taught to respect another human being - the society you live in failed.
@Hans von Zettour Hans, please explain what you mean, I am gonna love this :)
I would rather say that the religion they believe in has failed.
@@storytel3000 Religion is a part of a society
@@elysium5726 then religion must also follow the societal norms. Not set its own.
The society you live in is responsible for the death of over 100 million people in just the last few decades so I wouldn't be on any soap box discussing ethics. Europeans have such a lack of self awareness its astounding
This isn’t even adapting to another, this is literally basic human rights and basic woman’s rights.
You would be surprised where they were stated fhe first time in human history
Yes but when she say no the man is free to leave because women use that as a weapon
Nah it's just radical liberalism.
They don't care about your "rights". They're not there to assimilate.
@@TruthDissident ok pervert
How ungrateful could religion make one be? If the book says women are just trash, they will simply believe that whole heartedly.
This is a big reason why I’m spiritual and not religious.
Bro that is so wrong
Oh my lord, is this guy mentally ill 7:03 imagine being lucky to seek asylum in Norway and yet still criticize on women's rights is just absurd and disgusting
also these migrants are disrespectful when coming to Norway
He's clearly a waterhead.
Actually there was a man with a head made out of 90% water, but he was definitely way more respectful than this jerk@@_BiologyMatters_
I've reached a point where I'm tempted to say:
If your religion is that important to you, and you don't like gender equality, why on Earth do you go to Scandiavia, of all places? Why not go to Saudi Arabia or Iran? I don't get it!
I totally I agree with you!!
@@ifrazali3052 to teach you what? Homophobia,sexism and msogny? No thank you.
@@ifrazali3052 lol you have nothing to teach.
They go for the welfare benefits
@@ifrazali3052 you don't understand
Women equality aren't western values, they should just be considered human values....no human should discriminate against people.
It is mostly tho. If it wasn't then asia and africa would have full gender equality at the same time Europeans got it.
you are taking women's rights for granted. women over the century had to fight for their rights, in every part of the world, including norway.
They mostly are western values though, values that have been established since the enlightenment.
‘Judea- Christian’ values at root, really…
@@yaya-tv2up not really tho, Europe didn't get equality due to some magic, it got it due to development. when the country doesn't need to worry about political instability, roads, economy and etc. Is when it can focus on equality
Culture and beliefs will never be an exscuse for abuse.
Sick of people tring to hide behind "trafition" instead of defending their actions.
Its obviously not an excuse but you’re showing a lack of understanding on human psychology in your tone. There’s a reason they are being sent to classes instead of being shamed and dehumanised
@@ammonia309 no this issues is pretty rife in all religions, it's bad epistomology and this is what is causes.
Anyone who is religious will pull out this trump card anytime they want to shut down someone suggesting a better way that has empirical evidence.
We are only now finally tackling this anti-intelectualism in western countries and religiosity is dying.
Many countries are ahead of the curve on this one, with better separation of "beliefs' and state decisions. While still maintaining personal beliefs with some self awareness mixed in.
I don't think I mentioned a single person in my comment.
The incompatibility of equitable society and religion/tradition is a no brainier.
Religions teach knowledge comes from authority rather than sound evidence. This sets people up to be gullible and easily misinformed. Or they have no vetting for what information they let in.
The end result is the same.
Religions/traditions excuse actions without material or humanist justification. It lends this skill to theists as a catch all as well.
They just can't get away with it as much anymore as the secular morality of societies marches towards progress that can point to an actual objective based moral system and not just one that is whatever someone wants to interpret, believe.
People can be who they want without being harassed for arbitrary characteristics that don't effect others.
Legit has nothing to do with religion. nothing ur saying is true in ur whole rant, also this video is a propgrnda video @@AzaIndustries
@@Bell_plejdo568p someone needs to brush up on some basic anthropology.
That's the only excuse for abuse they need. The trick is not letting western culture turn into theirs.
I think Denmark has the right idea in that they do not allow immigrants to live in one neighborhood and congregate together. they make the immigrants live amongst the Danes so that they integrate into Danish society and are forced to live life the Danish way.
Sweden and Norway have done this aswell
@@legendjbl7770 Sweden has a problem with integration because, due to the large waves of asylum seekers all in one go and limited housing, the immigrants congregated in one neighborhood, accidentally creating ghettos.
The class should be ''you are in our country now, adapt or leave'.
Cristina Oliveira bet you are American
The class will be for you soon how to not get raped in your own country, actually this was coming white peoples fd with other countries in the past now their children suffer the same fate
Truth, they need to adjust for the new invironment they live now not the people they live to adjust there culture and belief beside adjusting and adopting the other culture is not the reason to put behind where they've been. A little adjusment is a big help for respecting the others cultures/values also if not theres an open door to leave.
Or maybe a class of that but add if you don’t you get run out at gun point or shot in the face. This goes for men and women
Cristina .correct .. right on!
Daily Mail: If they can't learn to respect women they should go back to where they came from!
Also Daily Mail: Female celebrity gains 5 pounds. Shocking! How dare she!
oof 😂😂yeah there are a lot of things still need to be changed, but i guess some disrespect are more severe than others ?? I mean at least the first thing has a point.
Would you rather: Disgraceful woman asking for men by wearing skirt too short
@@rebia5542 what
I'm so glad I quit dailymail
@Nafi Ssa he just stating the amount of hypocrisy the daily mail had
'You need to understand our culture." No sir, they don't.
We should actually make this course mandatory for everyone. Strictly necessary for religious people.
Religions are cancers
Preach
no.
@@yehldyehld why so
@@yehldyehldyes
One of the most liberal countries in the world living with people from one of the most intolerant countries in the world. What could possibly go wrong?
you know the viking era ended quite a long time ago, also slaughtering people is seemingly ok for you? you socialist really bad at hiding your true colors, i mean y'all killed a lot more people than the vikings did i bet( seeing how you like to judge everyone by the past that is hardly related to them, socialism past is a lot more recent too)
+marksern Why are you even validating this non-sequitur of a comparison?? If you're going to waste time on stupid people, at least pick the ones who try to make sense.
yeah, you probably right. but it's usually the ones not making sense that is the most tempting to reply too. He's extreme anger made it even more tempting. but you're right, that comparison should have never been validated, MB.
What makes you think Syria is/was 'one of the most intolerant countries in the world'? My understanding is that it was a pretty advanced place with a lot of educated people, and reasonable religious tolerance. Plenty of much more intolerant places.
@Stenen ,lol
Imagine having to teach this to a grown man
They're our link to the middle ages, it's kind of cool
@@monolithgeometry3221 That's a naive way to look at it. They exist now and they're exploiting the weaknesses of countries that went soft.
@@monolithgeometry3221 lol
Imagine grown men being forced to be taught these things because of their nationality
@@aseelanza or just don't come at all
They need to go back.
you will be deported
@@hamborger8546 you will leave and be deported
@@mar145gh7 theyre gonna be deported just bc theyre arab?
@@hamborger8546ok but don't bomb
Norways kindness will unfortunately backfire on itself.
Yup
Yup
True. 😢
True. Look what’s happening in Sweden.
It haven't. I live here and everything is the same as it was 10 years ago except everything costs more. Plus, Norway isn't Sweden. We're actually intergrating people into society unlike our neighbour.
"As soon as they get their residency, they say goodbye to what they were taught." Ultimate truth.
Europe will become Europistan in coming years, mark my words
@@prasad167 stan is the suffix for "land of" so youre not wrong i guess?
Lol .... Straight truth
@@ZK-ff2ru but it will become Islamised which is toxic to many people.
100% truth
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
You have to respect where you live, you can't force your thing into others county, you went there, you have to adapt
Guess Americans and Australians will disagree
No, this is about intergration not assimilation. People can keep their own culture yet both sides have to adapt, so both can live productively together
@@irgendeinname3872 if you came into musem, would you behave like in club?
@Joshua Carrillo europeans do, not in the coloneal era, but for now they do.
In my home state in India, I see foreigners I mean mostly europeans came here to study or experience the culture and sometimes they even contribute more than the local ones.
Any one from europe, North and South america, russia, china, and east asia, I have been in contact with, saw a great respect for my language, culture. But I see none from the people's of middle east and most arabic countires.
They just don't want to respect other peoples's culture. They want to impose their own. That's why if you ask any indian, they will say in favour of any european, russian, or any american or even a chinese one. But not for the middle eastern ones.
@Joshua Carrillo People from Middle east and north african countris tend to have a very bad image here.
My respect for poland got higher
We don't care about your culture my friendo. You are coming to ours.
"They also need to learn about us."
No, they literally don't. You CHOOSE to go to Norway, and you expect the Norwegians to adapt to your culture? That's not how that works.
Exactly!
Well didn’t Europeans do that in africa the Americas and Australia 500-100 years ago? 🤔
Now suddenly it’s adapt.
Viva Putin!
They do need to learn about their culture too. Almost the whole narrative on immigrants by the far-right in europe and the west in general are completely wrong and in fact baseless. But they take advantage of that given the ignorance of the western populations on other cultures. So if you want to have your politics be based on lies and baseless generalizations, you can carry on thinking that westerners are justified in being in their bubble and painting wrong pictures of immigrants and their cultures and enacting unjust policies.
@@ibrahimxbashir Tell me exactly why they would need to learn about immigrants' cultures?
Just look at the attitude, they are seeking refuge and they want to live on their own terms. You don't like the way Norwegians are please leave
Tabighli jamaat bro.
@@MG-xl6zd what he is right if u come to my home and seek pension jobs housing at least respect and learn about my culture if not gtfo
@Hernando Malinche why do you say that?? Your problem with Norwegians has not got anything with to do with illegal refugee's pompous attitude
Keyur Mukherjee how is the refugee 'illegal?' They were allowed entrance into the country by the government.
You can make your point without lying you know.
@@rgdssd thanks for pointing it out, for the sake of argument I can agree to the legal part that you cited but so far I believe legality of refugee status comes mostly from the change of status quo and not from drafted laws, there are certain refugees who are recognised by the state but most fight for the status once they have already landed that is they have changed their status quo of residence, right?? Now once you someone has done that do you think this arrogance is something that can be tolerated?? I am sorry I am not a Norwegian but my country has been plagued by similar crisis for long and I do believe that this cannot be tolerated
It says something about a culture when grown adults from that culture have to go to class to learn to treat other sentient beings with basic moral decency.
Funny how adapting to western culture simply consists into respecting women as human beings with free will. That says it all.
Gotta give credits to the woman for being so patient. These men are saying some outrageous things
Nah
Honestly I think all men should be taking classes like this. Women too.
@@legzfalloffgirl5148 I learned how to treat women properly from a very young age because my parents are decent people. Actually they taught me how to treat anyone with civil respect as every child should be taught by their parents
It's like an episode from the Office.
"women can't fix houses", meanwhile, my mother literally putting together all the ikea furniture on herself when we moved houses and painting the entire house with only my help. and i was 5 so ..
That guy that thinks women shouldn't be equal to men, needs to go back wherever he comes from.
@RED RED Bot or not, they’re still speaking facts.
Its not about being equal that's a feminist idea however respect should alwasy be there. I'm a women and I certainly don't wanna be equal to that of man....if that case all women must participate in military regardless if they have reaponsibikit of already raising children and MEN need to start making babies. LET me ask my Creater to change that nature of man so that they will reproduce and give birth to a new nation
@@fyali1632 let's forget gender and see who is more worthy.none should be judged by their gender.but he is right.on avarage men are more strong.but there are way more stronger than me and a avarage man.I hate this world.but what can I do?
Well if they were then what was the point of going out to war to protect the women and children??
@@fyali1632 when people say "equallity" they mean it in terms of human rights. No one is inferior nor superior just for their gender or race.
a sitcom based on these classes would be extremely funny
:D
It's not funny for women at all
😱😂
@@anafo9779SNL, ma'am. A skit
@@henocksherlock3340sis you need to take this class
The fact that you HAVE TO SEND these people to these kind of courses IS ALREADY A RED FLAG.
Why allow these people in the first place?!?!
@lengarcia Governments ate no longer listening to what the people want. . Millions have protested against immigration.
I think there's something to say for a woman teaching that class. That in itself will be a brutal lesson for some: That you must listen to, learn from and respect a woman.
I wonder tho if that will help send the message or hinder it. If they arrive with sexist views and no respect for women they could easily disregard anything she says.
They probably would do really well with both a male and female teacher, then they can display what they're teaching as they teach it.
@@xxflying1acexx909 I absolutely agree. Men have trouble listening to women in the best of circumstances, even in my progressive country... so having an equal mix of male and female teachers would be priceless. This situation here is very troublesome.
This is pretty arrogant. Female teaches exist in the middle east and have so for centuries. Female teachers have been around longer in the Middle East longer than they have in Europe.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi yes. except that they can only work with their husband's permission. and must never walk all by themselves when outside their home
Lawyers, engineers, teachers. These men are fairly well-educated. Now imagine those who are not. 💀
brub momento
Too be fair, there isn't necessarily a link between level of education and level of respect for women. You don't have to be a genius to show kindness to your fellow man. And there are plenty of arseholes in the world who happen to have university degrees.
@@minim3494 They are positively correlated.
In countries where their education level is low(mostly poor countries), their women's right is abysmal as well.
In individual level, there are always exceptions. In a larger scale, they are definitely related.
@@kunikloy477 lol you should see india highly educated men with absolutely 0 critical thinking ability. You'll have people in power and media being openly sexist.
Thats fair kunikylo But there can also be cultural and economic and religious reasons in these countries. So we cannot say that poor educational system is the sole or even the main reason for poor women's rights. As this video itself shows, you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. These men are being educated, but because of their values, they don't necessarily care to agree with what they are being taught.
This post is 7 years old. It is now self-evident how successfully these immigrants have assimilated.
This is exactly why some European countries are taking a stance on illegal migration, maladjusted migrants and failed asylem seekers. Those countries have my support as a brown person!!
I’m from Canada, feel free to practice your religion in any capacity until it goes against the basic rights of Canadian citizens. And if you don’t like this fact, then don’t come here.
Your surname sounds like Swdish..🙂
@@farrukhisamatov8827 It’s Scottish :)
@@kaeghanlowson9084 How many percent of Canadians speak English as a mother language?
@@farrukhisamatov8827 Probably more than 50%.
@@farrukhisamatov8827 75% of us speak it as our first language. Only about 22% of us speak french as our first.
"Do they feel stigmatized for having to be taught to respect women?"
"Yes... But they need it"
Good for her for sticking to her guns and not apologizing.
Frankly, they've all been through worse. Really, they have. I couldn't imagine the things they've gone through in their own country. That being said, they can sit through a weekly lecture.
A weekly lecture to ensure they keep getting free money welfare from Norwegian workers tax money. Hm. They certainly better learn the ways of their new country who is sheltering them and sometimes providing for them.
The Koran (4:34) instructs men to beat disobedient women.
@John D Okay, but then they should go and live in their Muslim countries. When you come to other society you must respect its culture, traditions, and law.
Google conqueror, there are men and women in all cultures that can be violent and beat their partners. The point that was made is that the Koran gives men the license to beat women (lightly!!!! :)
As an immigrant to the US , I have always felt that I needed to adapt to US norms and culture, without loosing my own. I have confronted racists that have treated me less than an American. But My father and I are both US military veterans that would fight for this country in a minute because it has taken us in, and with all it's faults has given us much. You either respect where you migrate to or you leave and return to the paradise you came from!
I had the privilege of living in a foreign country, Bulgaria, for 11 years. I did not expect the Bulgarians to adapt to my english ways, I adapted to their ways and was welcomed.
"Women can't fix houses "😂😂 tell that to my sister in law who is a building contractor and built part of the world bank! And also redid a museum in Boston among many other things!
I wouldnt be proud of building the "world bank" but I get your point.
he is correct, the woman doesn't have the physical power to lift rocks or heavy stuff
@@abomariah403 cringe
In that case maybe we should also have restrictions on smaller men, like lets say 5'7 or under since they will also have a difficult times carryinf heavy rocks?
@@motorvehicle1330 I thought for a moment, then I remembered in many north european contries the average is 6 and something so 5'7 is short there lol
If they refuse to take the class or fail out, then they should be *deported* not just have their benefits cut.
Casey Short I bet you’d look hot in a black Hugo Boss uniform
Exactly!
Casey Short I’m sorry but what’s the point of taking classes? They’ll take it to stay, it’s not genuine. Accepting male refugees is the biggest mistake. A man should stay in his own land. Fight for it.
100%
that's racist
7 years after this video and things have got worse, not better.
The fact that highly educated men with professional jobs and English proficiency have to be taught to respect women is absolutely mindboggling.
But they do
They are in a class about respecting women, but are still arguing about it. What a joke.
Dude at least they’re learning
Tbh I don’t think they’re there because they really want to learn
That’s not very accepting of you.
@@procrastinator6618 Your ignorant mind, and that of too many other Americans, is what's holding your country from truly being a first world place.
@@luckyluke4276 They just said that after the class is over they will go right back to what they believe, how is that learning.
Women in miniskirts are just women in miniskirts, nothing else,
YES YOU GOT IT MATE
Women in miniskirts want to attract men's eyes. They bother me because I don't want to be sexually aroused when I randomly walk in the streets of my city. They could just wear longer skirts. I don't go out with nothing else than my penis in a sock. And if I did I could understand that some women would harass me.
Everyone says the opposite but miniskirts are a sexual thing, especially in winter. Women just love to be watched by men.
@@hfyaer If you can't control yourself then maybe you shouldn't be looking at women in miniskirts.
@@ShaytardMates maybe I could if they weren't in front of my face by the thousands each time I go out.
@hfyaer Seems like you’re an animal.
You guys are hypocrite. You don't want migrants in, I'm fine with that, but don't act like our moral standards are ok. The west is under cultural attack. If we continue to put pleasure on top of our value system we'll soon be ancient history. Our men are already amongst the weakest on this planet.
And even after at least 4 years in Norway that woman from Qatar doesn't speak Norwegian. What does it show?
Why does Norway even admit these people who do not fit in? This is going to a problem in a decade.
This was filmed 7 years ago too...
@@LusciousTwinkle yeah and its even worse now
@@LusciousTwinkleso only 3 years left 😂
5:09 "our men dont abuse us" meanwhile, the teacher literally said that men are surprised that a wife can refuse $ex.
the same logic of misogyny and sexism applies to everyone, that is why it is called "internalised" when it is a woman
This isn't Roblox, we don't Turn words into Hashtags here.
@@cakeisyummy5755 but this is ######
Like everything it depends on what your definition of 'abuse' is.
They are all from different Arab countries, they aren't all the same
When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Simple as that
If Romans disrespect women, can I do that?
Romans didn't want women in rome...
Some facts.
“Be a Roman when you are in Rome”is the exact saying..means
Be a citizen of that country where you are staying
@@Holuunderbeere don't try to be oversmart
bewildering how bold the migrants in that class are. Extremely entitled.
BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS
"they have to learn about us too"
No they don't. Their culture doesn't have to adapt to yours, that is *not* a two way street. You emigrate to Norway, you adapt to Norwegian culture and that's it
It should be mutual, they learn and integrate into Norwegian society while the Norwegians learn about their culture. This will prevent fear and discrimination that we're seeing in Europe and America
@@ClassicHawk115 No. Norwegian don't have to do anything besides understanding that the first generation will need time to adapt
This isnt true if Norway is accepting then it will have to adopt too
@@ClassicHawk115 No. Natives have no need to learn their culture. It's the job of the immigrants to learn the culturte and adapt.
Natives don't have to do anything. They are not the ones who came to another country.
“I now help my wife around the house” somebody’s learning... 😂😂😂
Joshua Garcia more people need to be like that man
I wanna know if his wife would agree with that
That gave me a chuckle
@_jeff _ why not? whats wrong with helping your wife out around the house?
@@TheBucketSkill You shouldnt have to be taught that. No one taught me to help my fiancee around the house. The fact I love her compels me to help her out. Imagine marrying someone for ever and Saturday and Sunday you spend it doing nothing, while the woman your supposedly loves does nothing but cleaning. Disgusting.
Minnesota here. We had to teach our Cambodian immigrants not to eat mushrooms they find in city parks. There were a lot of poisonings.
Bruhhhhh I'm Cambo-American whose family escaped the Khmer Rouge and even they never did that when they came to America in the 80's. But thank you Minnesota for educating my peeps so they don't continue to hurt themselves!
Refugees. Not the same as immigrants.
The entitlement is sickening
5:00 I'm sorry, but there's a reason why this couple are stuck at these classes. The teacher DOES look at your background and how you respond in class. When I moved to Norway with my parents from Iran, they had to attend this class twice. After the second class, the teacher told my parents that they don't need to attend this class anymore, because and I quote "You already knew the Norwegian values". Some immigrants in Norway DO refuse to integrate!
Those are the ones that should be both monitored and be taught stricter. If that fails they should go back... Unless they have children
@ItzSkylerUwU. YT but arabs and persians are different
@ItzSkylerUwU. YT that is a different thing but nvm
Iranians are like the only nice people coming form that region though.
The asylum seeking student had the nerve to say Norwegians have to learn about their customs too. They are the ones seeking asylum in Norway. If they can't accept Norwegian custom and adapt their live styles to it, then why don't they seek asylum in a country that already have the customs they prefer to adhere to.
cobalt ocean it's a basic human desire to be understood and accepted by others, as you are, not just as you will be
@@m3lisha Well, we can't accept everyone as they are. Sometimes change is needed.
They should! You can't change their way if you don't understand them
What would really be the harm in everyone just trying to understand eachother a little better
ady gombos accepting them as they were was the problem in the first place. That lead to rapes and discrimination against women. Accepting them would do nothing. Changing them so they cab fit in with Norwegian culture is what's needed. Sadly our government is too spineless to do this.
If I came to their country, I would adjust to their way of living. No respect for our culture..
Ngl Im a Mexican that moved bout 3 years ish (got my green card) to the USA and man it is so silly how these guys are trying to force their culture onto another country that aint even theirs.... its like forcing your house rules on someone elses house..
Western countries must not compromise their values.
Amen!
And norway is doing that in a non-violent way that still helps people in need of migration or immigration.
how many western countries have colonized and ruined the values of eastern countries
You do know Eastern countries had Empires right. Or are you just ignorant?
Felicia Golding There are 48 countries in Europe of which 28 (soon to be 27) are in the EU. Of those countries only 7 had African colonies, arguably 8 if you include the Dutch settlements in southern Africa but these were established independently from the Dutch government. We had nothing to do with the colonial empires of Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany (who's colonial empire lasted less than 30 years) and Italy but you expect us in countries like Ireland, Norway, Poland etc to somehow feel responsible for their histories.
Now imagine going to their country and demanding feminism
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lol
Nothing wrong with equal but feminists dont want equal they want more that's the problem
You shouldn't, its their culture. Just like it's said in the video you need to adapt to your surroundings. When in rome do as the romans do
@@markus4180
You should come to India or some South Asian country to see how far ahead US is in women's rights.
I wonder, 7 years later, if this lady feels like her teachings have made a difference
Have many children
One of the points made was on how it could help the migrants have an idea of the cultural attitudes their kids might have
Is this a Government paid class? Meaning, is the taxpayer money covering this...? :/
As a Syrian, I feel ashamed of these people and their answers. They are giving a bad impression about the Syrians. When you are welcomed in a country, you should respect their values.
Where do u live now??😍
شو bad impression يا صحبي، العرب كلهم هيك مو بس سوريا. عنهم نظرة دنووية للامراة.
I wish more like yourself would speak up thank you 👍
I don't know you irl but knowing there are people like you out there rose my respect on so many levels
why? does these people have any evidence that the western life style is the correct one? considering these guys are atheist, they can't prove nothing, therefore, they can't prove that your way of treatment of women is wrong. Also in liberal countries theirs no culture. You can keep your own culture
It’s frustrating that they’re ‘annoyed’ that they have to go through the classes. BE GRATEFUL Norway has allowed you and giving you refuge! Integrate! We’d be forced to if we were in your culture so do the same for ours!
Frankly, it's a scathing argument in favor of a comprehensive moratorium on any and all opportunistic immigration/asylum until such a time as all existing immigrants/refugees have been empirically proven to have been fully assimilated into the local culture. Standard safety procedure during an incident is to freeze the situation, identify the issue, isolate the issue, then solve the issue before continuing.
If these people are to be helped it must be in their respective home countries or as close there to as possible.
They can be thankful they didn't have to need to refuge
They’re very ungrateful. I’m American dating an Argentinean man and we’re in the process of applying for his visa so he can travel to the US with me. He has to learn English, prove he earns a steady income, have no criminal record, pay thousands for an application, do an interview, then wait a couple years while these people are complaining about a FREE course in exchange for living in a first world country
@@lizcasazza8524 immigration vs seeking refuge isnt same to be fair.
Not true: northern and western europeans who migrated to Spain,Portugal still didnt learn the language , never adjusted to the culture and they made neighborhoods of their own kind, you are hypocrit because you dont know alot and are probably too poor to travel to see that northern europeans have 10x more diaspora then middle easterners
What a waste of taxpayer money
Wdym
Norway growing serpents in their background, soon will be bitten
Norway used to have low crime, not anymore
I was an immigrant once, and a naturalized citizen going on many years now. Acclimating to a foreign culture is difficult, but not impossible. If you're going to travel in foreign places, you must respect the rules of their land, period. If not, go back home, to whatever feels familiar to you.
Onyx Towers most immigrants dont succeed, as far as i have experienced in my country
Really man?! It’s not that hard.
I play Piano you will be surprised
Arthur Michielsen I’m an immigrant lmao
I play Piano yes i am too
It's great that Norway recognises the urgency and importance of teaching immigrants about their attitudes towards gender equality. But sadly, the immigrants don't seem to care.
Because they don't want to end up like Sweden.
@@EricFalch tbh id rather be surrounded by genderless people who are going to lock me in a jail for not respecting pronuons they chose than live in area where it is dangerous for women to get out. I say this as a woman myself.
oh I'm sorry they aren't happily obliging to being targeted and ostrastiged for having different views like I'm sorry but how can this title not prove the discrimination of migrants
hate and bigotry is not limited to one sub section everyone differs in everything this "lesson of tolerance" should be taught to
anyone white or brown anyone can be racist or sexist
Grown adults change their views but rather slowly. But kids born and raised there will be drastically different, and that’s what ultimately matters.
Sour Lem you’ll be surprised on how much kids pick up
The assumption is that the crimes are committed out of ignorance rather than malice. But if done out of malice, then no amount of education can help
What was highlighted to me was that the four men interviewed were highly educated and still had the attitude that women should not be equal. The lady who has been fighting her case for 4 years had to speak in her own language and not Norwegian or English. Doesn’t this say it all? Why would come to a liberal western democracy and still insist on maintaining the culture that oppressed you?
Many from the middle east don't understand that the very greatness of the Western world which they seek to live in is built upon the foundations of tolerance, freedom of speech, secularism, and egalitarianism. They don't need see this. They simply see a rich country vs a poor one and they think the culture within is not correlated to the culture. This is a fundamental problem obviously. If they do not wish to assimilate to western culture norms then they are insisting on constantly being at odds with the very foundation of the societies they are living in. They teach their children to be the way they are and it divides the community from their host country and assimilation is incredibly slow or never happens.
As an Arab girl I’m so sorry to all the European girls who are suffering bc of our men especially in Sweden I’m so embarrassed honestly just looking at this video
you're so dishonest
❤❤
@@user-kd3uu1ic4w how
You shouldn't be embarrassed. You didn't do anything. You are not guilty of what other people do.
Nothing is gained by men oppressing women in Saudi Arabia and Iran either. I for myself don't only care about white women. Education and fights for women's rights is the only way forward.
How to respek wamen
Thought this was a joke.
Unfortunately some people need to be taught this. Smh
Hello megumin!
@Ninigo,
Unfortunately, *many men of European descent, located globally,* must be taught *the same lessons.*
@@OakleyANDSittingBull Europeans from European families, or "Europeans" from a non-western family, big difference.
Because even in second world countries that doesn't appear to be a big issue.
unfortunately alot of women need to be taught to respect men
@Stella Star wow I didn't know that lesbian couples had more domestic violence rates than heterosexual couples.
Many American men need to take this class.
same with a lot of American women school teachers - they are always in the news for violating 14 year old boys.
And American women who are often caught violating dogs, for some odd reason.
If you don't like it, don't come here.
They (immigrants) live in much more beautiful house than mine, and they still can't respect the country???
What do you mean they cannot respect the country?
@@cruyffssoul2397 do you even watch the video?
@@kevinekasaputra3428 I watched it. Everyone was pretty respectful. There was not a blatant instance of rebellious immigrants in the video. The only criticism that is a bit uncover is what they think of all of this.
Some said it was not necessary and others say that women and men were inherently talented in different thing and biases in this area should exist.
@@cruyffssoul2397 let's put it this way. How many of these guys once the course is over will go back to treating women as lesser and disrespecting the customs of the country.
@@SASMADBRUV7 Your making a fallacy right here. These people come from the exploited third world and yet they treat their woman fine. These areas tend to naturally be VERY conservative. As someone mentioned in the video, the West (in general) emphasise this freedom and as another person said it’s already present in their culture but more undercover. There is no “treating woman as lesser”, it’s simply a change in attitude in more than a several issues.
If it wasn’t clear enough the course would at least establish knowledge about the culture in the area. The breakthrough depends on the person but the program will naturally reach their children or in the worst case scenario their grandchildren. Now it really depends on the person himself or herself.
No wonder the Europeans are getting pissed at the immigrants. Almost all of the men who spoke in the class were hostile and clearly not willing to accept western culture. When you are a guest in someone house or someone country, you should be respectful of their ways. Their poor attitudes make me question if they are even thankful to their host country.
Their attitude to the lecturer was very poor. She was clearly upset and uncomfortable.
Tiwaking Tiwaking lol that’s been happening for over half a century and it’s been fine
Tiwaking Tiwaking nice little slogan
You say western values like it's above middle Eastern values..
Habdash Beats No, I'm not making any judgement as to which is better. Let us agree that they are simply very different. I edited my original comment and changed it from "values" to "culture" to try to avoid giving the impression of judgement.
If don't understand just stay in your countries, why get out??? Stay in your countries and do your religion.
Tell western countries that take shitload of stuff to get their military and foreign bases out and let us have our own leaders and stop destroying our lands
Stick to your own oil then, stop taking other people's.
@@vardendela We PAY for that oil. It doesnt just flow towards us magically.
They where not being persecuted in the countries they came from. They really don't need to be in Europe.