I really appreciated that you covered how important tires are. And that you mentioned that longer wheelbase vehicles are more stable. If I might make one minor suggestion for your upcoming video on snow and traction, it would be that you also mention that "snow" covers a huge variety of conditions. And that some conditions - for example icy and wet snow (near freezing) - can be much more challenging than other conditions - for example powder snow (no ice) on a cold day.
The older 2 door wranglers were often sketchy in snow because of the short wheel base and less computer aids to control wheel spin on the four corners. Lockers and 33 to 35 inch tires were serious off-road material not that long ago
Love Tommy's jeep content, I've got a 4 door Willis that should arrive in a few weeks, manual trans with the same color scheme as Tommy's. Super stoked about it!
I chuckle at all these "first snow" vids for modern cars. In 1988, I was 16 driving a 1974 Impala in the snow with no problem. #1 rule: don't go too fast.
I love TFL videos like this, they feel really honest. The lack of over-production like the bigger car review channels, the family dynamic, the base model being used, all contribute to the feel.
It has a lot to do with Jeep offering a right-hand-drive option from the factory. I think there's some kind of discount involved as well if you buy it as a mail carrier.
Tommy's Willys Wrangler content is by far my favorite content on TFL. Took my '21 Willys JLU through the snow this past weekend and it was a blast. It just eats snow/ice/gravel/mud with little to no effort. Keep up the great work!!
I've been waiting for this video to come out. My '22, 2 door Willys Sport is on its way to me right now. Your videos made this purchase a no-brainer for me. Thanks! I will say the '22 price with AC and AUX/Tow package is now $35.9K. Up quite a bit from the $31K you continue to quote for the '21 Willys.
I love the father son morning snow videos. Some of my favorite TFL content. Love the snow content. And love TFL content always. Thanks to all the crew always.
We just got 10"of snow in Virginia and my stock Xterra handled it just fine on some " not new" tires. Buses, cars all around were stuck, and I just drove like I normally would. Being a Colorado native, we all know how to drive in all weather conditions.
Idiots take their 2 wheel drive sedans out in the snow with M+S tires and get stuck. I have an AWD SUV with 3PMSF tires and it’s like driving in the Summer. They need to pass a federal law to make 4x4 or AWD and 3PMSF tires mandatory in the winter for every state north of Interstate 10.
I have a gladiator willys sport with the firestone mt/2's we had about 8" fall the other day - the gladiator had 0 issues it was pretty much like driving on mildly wet pavement in 4WD-H.
My JTR on stock Falken Wildpeaks was able to drive around in 2wd in Mammoth during a storm that dropped 16” on us. Gladiators wheelbase makes it real nice in the snow. I had to use 4wd Hi a couple times and even flipped on the lockers in 4Hi to get over a 3 foot plow berm. . My first car was a WJ with Quadra drive. Man that thing was amazing in snow as well. Jeep needs to offer that type of drivetrain on the luxury Wranglers.
I like that they didn't plow the roads there much if at all. That means no nasty salt or the super nasty chemicals getting on your vehicle and rusting it out. Plus you can have a little fun in the snow. It also keeps people from driving vehicles that have no business driving in the snow from getting stuck and blocking the road or losing control and sliding into you.
I really like the basic Jeep concept, there are many modified Jeep videos, so these are quite refreshing. Thanks for sharing and keep the great videos coming.
Always fun to see wranglers in snow. Also fun to see how that front axle disconnect on the passenger side isn't always the fastest to engage when you put it in 4H and give it the beans in the snow and you get 2.5 wheel drive for a moment. I know on my gladiator i'm going to fix, read replace, that hopefully this year so i always have 4x4 when i need it and not 2.5x4.
All five of my Wranglers we're great in the snow. But so were my 4x4 Tacoma's and my current 2020 4x4 Ranger. 4 wheel drive, enough ground clearance, and good AT tires like BFG KOs will get you through most any snow.
You truly need to experience narrow winter tires. SO much better than those big AT tires. But I know you will not be swayed because looks are more important than traction.
My experience in northwest Minnesota is deep snow around 20F is more challenging than in sub-zero temperatures. Closer to freezing makes snow in contact with surfaces more likely to "wet" them - creating a thin film of water that makes everything slippery. Super frozen snow I would describe as "sandy". So long as you have 4WD and decent snow tires, it's fairly easy to get around on un-plowed roads.
MT and AT tires perform well in deep snow. It's when you get onto the icy/compact windy mountain roads that the tire is really tested. I'm running Grabber ATX tires and find they slip quite a bit compared to a true snow tire.
4x4 high is great in deep consistent snow or muck but very bad if going between plowed and unplowed areas like exiting a cleared highway to an uncleared offramp, I think the 4x4 Auto option is a must for that reason (too bad it is not available on the diesel). We got 12-13 inches where I live in MD on Monday, I had to go to the Kennel and get the dog out in the middle of the storm my 2011 Q5 with fairly new Michelin all season did great, all I did was put the transition in manual mode so I could downshift and not use the brakes as much. zero issues. I was glad to get home though with all the idiots that were also out.
Showing LOVE for the channel. Gotta love Jeeps point blank. Thank You gentlemen for this video I was honestly curious about the Willy. Have a Blessed day everyone
Yes, have owned GCs & Wranglers … excellent in snow when running decent A/T tires. Can probably say that for quite a few vehicles, but solid 4WD systems from Jeep none-the-less.
Just had upwards of 24” of fresh powder where I live in a 36 hour period. It was breaking over my hood in my Ecodiesel Gladiator with the firestone mt2 tires. Was hilarious as the Jeep kept pushing through and never slowed. The past few days I finally got my atw tires 34” and its even more of a beast. Love my jeeps!
Great video, personally you guys are driving in some of the best snow conditions one can ask for, fresh powdery snow is always awesome but I want to see how those tires perform once the Sun starts shining and that snow starts becoming sheets of ice because I would have no confidence in those Mud terrain tires a all once that happens.
Yep. In Wisconsin we rarely have nice, deep powdery snow. It's always been refrozen and redrifted multiple times making a hard, dense layer of snow and ice.
I’ve seen a Rubicon with 37” toyo open country mt tires get stuck in a Dennys parking lot up in Big Bear after they were messing around. At the time I had a Tacoma with 32” BFG TA KO snow rated tires all with a full set of chains. Was about 10 years ago.
Just so you know, Colorado Powder snow, especially at or below 5 degrees F is more like sand than the wet stuff in the mid-west and east. That type of snow forms ice / black ice a lot faster than the Mountain snow. Other than dedicated winter tires, no off-road tire works well on ice other than chains and studs. I don't know if the 3 peaks does anything on ice either. Maybe your upcoming tests will show something new!
I was wondering about to STT Pros. I bought the Duratracs because of the snow performance but when I go up to 37s I am getting the STTs because I have heard they are good in the snow for an MT.
Good illustration of the benefits of 4-wheel drive over 2-wheel drive. What is not said is, no matter the vehicle, you aren't going anywhere fast once the undercarriage/frame is resting on snow.
With light powder snow you will blast right through. With heavy wet snow you will get bogged down and stop. Rear based 2WD provides less than half the traction of 4x4.
I live in Canada, and even though we get a lot of snow, I have never owned a 4x4. Driving in snow is different than driving in mud. In snow, you want to feather the throttle, not floor it. Slower wheel spin gives you more traction from a stop than high wheel spin. In the winter, you need to open one window a "crack" because the small gap allows the moisture from your breathing to escape, and your windows don't fog up. I drive a 2wd truck, and in the winter, I carry a small steel shovel to dig out or chip ice if I get stuck. I also carry tire chains or traction boards for those times when you need extra grip
Tommy!! I see in your cold weather videos you and your dad mention the interior of your Jeep gets humid, uncomfortable and your windows fog up. I live in NJ we get some snowy days here too so here’s a tip; turn on your AC and adjust the temp to what’s comfortable. Itll remove the condensation from the windows and make cold weather treeking better for you.
The most capable vehicle I've ever driven in the snow was a Suzuki Samurai on snow tires in 4x4 high. Lightweight makes it easy get going and not enough power to really break it free.
My 2021 Rubicon is amazing in the snow with the traction control on in 2 wheel drive. Of course it is a total animal in 4X4. In your next test you should do an in-depth of how excellent the Wrangler traction control is. Don't underestimate how great the Wrangler is in 2 wheel drive with traction control only. All my driving is from the Reno Tahoe area
Thanks, from tropical Minnesota, so watching driving in snow is rare. I am a geezer having owned 70s land yachts (Marquis, New Yorker, Cordoba), all huge engine RWD masterpieces that sat and spun in more than a few inches.
Got a Willys Sport like Tommy, but with a 4-door and 2.0L Turbo, but I usually find these videos with Tommy’s personal Jeep interesting and confidence inspiring
Friday the 7th, when the rain hit after 2-3ft of snow I pulled 6 people out of deep sticky horrible snow with my old 91 astro van with blizzaks. One officer (twice), one sedan, one coupe, one 3/4 truck, one half ton truck and a four wheeler.
JK Wrangler Unlimited Rubicons in 4H with 2” lifts fitted with 35” x 12.5” BFG KM3s perform excellent in the snow. In fact, it’s an absolute blast to drive them in the snow.
Last year(2021) after the New Year, Central Arkansas received about 18-24 inches of snow. It was complete shut down. I drive a 2wd V8 Dodge Durango and after 2 weeks of it being thawed and frozen, I thought it would be okay to get out. I got stuck and had to ask my friend who had a GMC Sierra 2500 4WD could not pull me out. The 4 door 4WD "Cheap" Jeep yanked me out with no problem. I was so surprised. This year I bought snow chains. I may not ever need them but I'm going to have them.
I have my third Jeep, now a Unlimted with the LSD in the rear, with Goodyear Duratrac tires in a 33. It drives fine in icy snow Tahoe weather but I’ve learned some simple basics for success. Have enough height to not turn into a snow plow, have good snow rated tires, and have as many wheels as possible spinning those tires.
The nice thing about snow wheeling is after a good snow you can pull out of your driveway and start wheeling right away. That is until the plow truck comes through and ruins all your fun. Really like that 2 door Jeep.
I've become an AWD convert over time. Driving in icy conditions you either have 4wd on or off so if conditions rapidly change you cannot adapt, especially on the highway. I've done more offroading in my AWD Suzuki Grand Vitara than most will ever do in their jacked up 120k setup jeep or other, and I've never been stuck. I hope full sized trucks come out with AWD systems in the future.
Most modern full size have had an AWD option built into the tcase for this purpose. (auto 4wd) it's a reactive system. Then you have systems with a center diff, i.e. Toyo Landcruiser,. Mitsubishi Montero, land Rover etc that are constant full time 4wd..those offerings have been around since the early 90's
@@randylgrep I guess I've owned old school 4wd vehicles :p. I'm driving a 05 ranger and it has to be changed manually. I'm changing to something more modern soon though.
The fact that the stability control can NOT be turned off fully is why I'm selling my wrangler and getting an older one without kills the fun of playing in the snow
I use to think wranglers would be shit in the winter with there short wheelbase, until we bought one in 2017. Been the best vehicle for snow we have ever had. Far better than any truck we have had.
I had a TJ back in the day and the short wheelbase made it extremely twitchy in the snow, even in 4wd. Truth be told, trucks with no weight in the back and short wheelbase wranglers are both pretty bad in the snow. For deep snow, heavy suv's with long wheelbases, good ground clearance, 50/50 weight balance, and snow tires are the absolute best. For icy conditions you want less weight, proper snow tires, and 50/50 weight balance, with either 4wd or awd being sufficient if you have good tires. I'm currently rocking a cadillac ATS with awd and Michelin x-ice snow tires and it handles Michigan's winters like a beast!
Although a shorter wheelbase may not be as stable, what I’ve observed is that with 4wd engaged on the 2dr Jeep- it’s less susceptible to allow the rear end to slide out and get away from you in the first place. Today while driving to Eldora I was able to accelerate out of icy/snow packed corners with a balance of under steer and oversteer. And oddly enough in my 2dr Wrangler, I almost got sideswiped by a 4 door because the rear end broke loose in the snow and they slid into my lane.
Not sure about Jeep traction control, but the chevy and ford tcms will fully disable if you hold the button until the light goes off then come back on usually ~ 10 seconds or so
Love videos guys. I don’t have a Jeep but in my experience if you have proper winter tires and enough ground clearance you can drive in the same snowy condition with no problem. I own a Kia carnival and have no issues in snow so far. From Canada 🇨🇦
It really all depends of tire selection. My 99 4.7 WJ does just fine in snow in 2wd. I did swap in Vari lock axles front and back, and it's 2wd is thanks to a 242WJ T/C swap. My 02 Overland 4.7HO has more of a street tire on all 4's, and it sometimes struggles and tracks sideways even though it has the same vari lock axles. It's till has the factory 247 T/C.
This has become the preferred right hand drive of rural mail carriers on the snow belt. Having delivered mail for 25 years I can attest to its snow going prowess. I often have to go down roads that have yet to be plowed and are drifted shut. I run Goodrich AT’s as they are cheap and readily available as brand new take offs.
Give it the beans Tommy. Looks like a good day. I think it handles it just fine. I like snow but hate cold! You should’ve gotten a heated steering wheel Tommy. We’re only getting 5-6 inches of snow today. But it’s early yet and I would love to see a foot. FUN stuff!
I was driving a 17' f150 4x4 (edit with bfg k02) in the snow the other day and played with the locking rear and 2wd. You are totally right, there's way more chance of the rear coming around unexpectedly when the locker is locked. Good for getting going, bad for turning
More reviews comparing tires please! I have a 2020 Super Duty Tremor diesel that isn’t as good as my Prius in snow, because the Prius runs Blizzaks. Unless I’m bashing over 10” of snow, I get in the Prius every time it snows.
My 2021 Jeep Wrangler JLU Islander with the 3.6L Pentastar c/w etorque did well in the snow; but in -50F temps (-45C), not so much. Electronics went absolutely haywire in the cold, rendering the Jeep undriveable…. Damn electronics. My wife’s 2005 F-150 Lariat has no issues whatsoever.
Up here in Alberta a lot of 4X4 drivers, Jeeps included, go for Wrangler Duratracs of BF Goodrich KO2s. They are a great balance for all year around for mud sand and snow and have the Winter snowflake mountain.
I have taken my JL EcoDiesel just about everywhere in Northern Utah in the snow over the past couple weeks. I haven’t gotten stuck or slowed down yet. Stock Sport tires too.
'05 Sport here. Owned since November but no snow in Ohio to drive in yet. Which is absolutely fine. I want to see how it does in snow, but if we don't get any (doubtful) then that's no problem.
Down the street in Denver, I generally leave it in 2WD for most snow driving. Both my JK with LSD and the JL Rubicon. But easy enough to drop it into 4WH if it gets crazy deep. I will say the heated steering wheel and seats in the JL make the biggest difference. The mud terrains are good but the KO2 are amazing.
I have a Jeep Comanche with Select Trac. I live in Quebec so snow tires are mandatory from december through april. I run 31" Firestone Winterforce first gen tires, and on full-time 4WD, it digs and grips for days! It's almost boring; after 3 winters, I still haven't had a proper challenge!
This video is very accurate and I can personally confirm most of what they said. I’ve driven both a two door and 4 door wrangler in the UP of Michigan where we get alot of snow. The 2d definitely you have to be very aware when you start to slide or else you are going to be flipping all the way around. 4d you have a lot more time to react and is a lot easier to control in the snow. As far as tires, I’ve had the BFG mud terrains and wasn’t in love with them in the snow. The KO2s are by far my favorite tire and are great in the snow. Even with my 2d wrangler with an lsd and the ko2s I hardly had to put it in 4wd.
My friend had a 2004 Sahara and it was great in the snow...except around bumpy corners, it had a tendency to come around real quick cuz of the short wheelbase I figure.
Oh the Wrangler is great in snow. Just had 3 back to back winter storms here in Alaska and my 2 door JK Willys with just a level kit and 33s floats through the snow and ice.
I'd love to see a video on overseer correction in snow - from inside the car/jeep. The last time I was in snow, it seemed like every correction I attempted to apply to a slide was excessive (ie: over-correction) and I just wound up fish-tailing from side to side until I was able to stop. My eventual solution was to buy Blizzaks - which are awesome - but I'd still love to learn how to drive competently in the snow. 😁
Hi guys, I own a red Jeep Gladiator Mojave equipped with studded winter tire (I live on the top of a mountain in Quebec, Canada) and this beast is almost impossible to stop.
I’ve had the Falken AT3Ws and MTs that are offered on the Rubicon. The AT3Ws are outstanding in the snow, The MTs are pretty good too, just not as good at the AT3Ws. I’m right down the road from these guys and we had the same amount of snow. My Rubicon walked right through it.
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I really appreciated that you covered how important tires are. And that you mentioned that longer wheelbase vehicles are more stable. If I might make one minor suggestion for your upcoming video on snow and traction, it would be that you also mention that "snow" covers a huge variety of conditions. And that some conditions - for example icy and wet snow (near freezing) - can be much more challenging than other conditions - for example powder snow (no ice) on a cold day.
The older 2 door wranglers were often sketchy in snow because of the short wheel base and less computer aids to control wheel spin on the four corners. Lockers and 33 to 35 inch tires were serious off-road material not that long ago
My old short wheel vase TJ with no traction aids would prefer the rear end to be in front on icy roads.
Love Tommy's jeep content, I've got a 4 door Willis that should arrive in a few weeks, manual trans with the same color scheme as Tommy's. Super stoked about it!
CONGRATS !
Congratulations!!
Willis? You mean Willy’s right?
Congrats. It's a great car... SUV..
Hmm it's a JEEP!
@@NoxNoctisUmbraFC vs
Your F to C conversion was spot on, that inch to metres was a little off 😂
Only 10 time 😂
My bad 10"=25Cm=0,25m 😂
I'm going to believe it was a perfectly delivered deadpan line
I’m pretty sure Tommy was being sarcastic.
Every 4” is 10cm (rounded to nearest cm)
90-100m. Um sure.
I chuckle at all these "first snow" vids for modern cars. In 1988, I was 16 driving a 1974 Impala in the snow with no problem. #1 rule: don't go too fast.
In 1974 I was driving a 1968 Chevy Impala with studded snows. No problem in the snow.
I love TFL videos like this, they feel really honest. The lack of over-production like the bigger car review channels, the family dynamic, the base model being used, all contribute to the feel.
This is the reason why a lot of out of town, Country Mail Carriers in WV have Jeeps Wranglers. They work great in the wintertime.
well better than a 2 wheel drive 90s S10 with an aluminum body and no ground clearance.
Same see mail Carriers here in SW wi an N IL in 4drs
It has a lot to do with Jeep offering a right-hand-drive option from the factory.
I think there's some kind of discount involved as well if you buy it as a mail carrier.
Yep and many use xj jeeps before that
Ours used too have a life time warranty on the drive train was the other reason
Oh for the days of my '75 CJ5 and '68 Jeepster Commando. Both ran on Goodyear Suburbanites and were unstoppable in snow.
Tommy's Willys Wrangler content is by far my favorite content on TFL. Took my '21 Willys JLU through the snow this past weekend and it was a blast. It just eats snow/ice/gravel/mud with little to no effort. Keep up the great work!!
I love this jeep way more than other cars you guys have.
I'd take this thing over that tundra.
Tip: hold traction control button down until it chimes and it will disable the stability control as well:)
Good to know, thanks.
I've been waiting for this video to come out. My '22, 2 door Willys Sport is on its way to me right now. Your videos made this purchase a no-brainer for me. Thanks! I will say the '22 price with AC and AUX/Tow package is now $35.9K. Up quite a bit from the $31K you continue to quote for the '21 Willys.
You're getting the larger (8") infotainment system as a standard, on his it would have been a 2k option.
The price difference is because you got the 4 door. The 2 door is from 31k.
@@Malc664 Nope. 2 door.
@@jprime5128 It's the 7" display, not the 8.5".
Loved this video! You guys did an excellent job showing how much fun driving that Jeep Wrangler in snow really is.
I love the father son morning snow videos. Some of my favorite TFL content. Love the snow content. And love TFL content always. Thanks to all the crew always.
We just got 10"of snow in Virginia and my stock Xterra handled it just fine on some " not new" tires. Buses, cars all around were stuck, and I just drove like I normally would. Being a Colorado native, we all know how to drive in all weather conditions.
Idiots take their 2 wheel drive sedans out in the snow with M+S tires and get stuck. I have an AWD SUV with 3PMSF tires and it’s like driving in the Summer. They need to pass a federal law to make 4x4 or AWD and 3PMSF tires mandatory in the winter for every state north of Interstate 10.
I have a gladiator willys sport with the firestone mt/2's we had about 8" fall the other day - the gladiator had 0 issues it was pretty much like driving on mildly wet pavement in 4WD-H.
My JTR on stock Falken Wildpeaks was able to drive around in 2wd in Mammoth during a storm that dropped 16” on us. Gladiators wheelbase makes it real nice in the snow. I had to use 4wd Hi a couple times and even flipped on the lockers in 4Hi to get over a 3 foot plow berm.
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My first car was a WJ with Quadra drive. Man that thing was amazing in snow as well. Jeep needs to offer that type of drivetrain on the luxury Wranglers.
@@KTMcaptain They are phenomenal off road in general - never had an issue (even without lockers) .
I like that they didn't plow the roads there much if at all. That means no nasty salt or the super nasty chemicals getting on your vehicle and rusting it out. Plus you can have a little fun in the snow. It also keeps people from driving vehicles that have no business driving in the snow from getting stuck and blocking the road or losing control and sliding into you.
I really like the basic Jeep concept, there are many modified Jeep videos, so these are quite refreshing. Thanks for sharing and keep the great videos coming.
I’m obsessed with this keep, would make such a cool daily driver, I really like the size and looks of it
Always fun to see wranglers in snow. Also fun to see how that front axle disconnect on the passenger side isn't always the fastest to engage when you put it in 4H and give it the beans in the snow and you get 2.5 wheel drive for a moment. I know on my gladiator i'm going to fix, read replace, that hopefully this year so i always have 4x4 when i need it and not 2.5x4.
Isn’t that just what happens when you have open diffs?
Bronco owners are not out yet. They’re busy brushing the snow out of their interiors 😉
Had fun with my Bronco here in Boulder county this morning too!
All five of my Wranglers we're great in the snow. But so were my 4x4 Tacoma's and my current 2020 4x4 Ranger. 4 wheel drive, enough ground clearance, and good AT tires like BFG KOs will get you through most any snow.
You truly need to experience narrow winter tires. SO much better than those big AT tires. But I know you will not be swayed because looks are more important than traction.
My experience in northwest Minnesota is deep snow around 20F is more challenging than in sub-zero temperatures. Closer to freezing makes snow in contact with surfaces more likely to "wet" them - creating a thin film of water that makes everything slippery. Super frozen snow I would describe as "sandy". So long as you have 4WD and decent snow tires, it's fairly easy to get around on un-plowed roads.
MT and AT tires perform well in deep snow. It's when you get onto the icy/compact windy mountain roads that the tire is really tested. I'm running Grabber ATX tires and find they slip quite a bit compared to a true snow tire.
Duh...
4x4 high is great in deep consistent snow or muck but very bad if going between plowed and unplowed areas like exiting a cleared highway to an uncleared offramp, I think the 4x4 Auto option is a must for that reason (too bad it is not available on the diesel). We got 12-13 inches where I live in MD on Monday, I had to go to the Kennel and get the dog out in the middle of the storm my 2011 Q5 with fairly new Michelin all season did great, all I did was put the transition in manual mode so I could downshift and not use the brakes as much. zero issues.
I was glad to get home though with all the idiots that were also out.
The 4WD Auto option is available on the 1.4t also.
Waldorf had the highest reported snowfall in MD at 11.6" 🤓
Love powdery snow :o) The only snow for me. So much fun to be out in.
Love that simple Jeep. Would get than myself. Perfect.
Tommy wearing the Toyota jacket, even when your FCA lets you down, Toyota will keep you warm while you wait for help. Lol
You mean Stellantis
By burning a rusted out overhyped pos?
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@@Welcometofacsistube I can taste your jealousy from here! The jacket will keep him warm, follow the words, I’m assuming you’re literate?
The snow impressed me. Reminds of winters in Sudbury On. Some storms when i was much younger would yield 60 cms plus and -40 C/F was quite common.
Showing LOVE for the channel. Gotta love Jeeps point blank. Thank You gentlemen for this video I was honestly curious about the Willy. Have a Blessed day everyone
God I LOVE Tommy's jeep videos :) That little toy seems like a blast!
Jeep Willy's around 31 Grand, father and son memory... Priceless!!! Thank you both for sharing. 👍
Yes, have owned GCs & Wranglers … excellent in snow when running decent A/T tires. Can probably say that for quite a few vehicles, but solid 4WD systems from Jeep none-the-less.
Just had upwards of 24” of fresh powder where I live in a 36 hour period. It was breaking over my hood in my Ecodiesel Gladiator with the firestone mt2 tires. Was hilarious as the Jeep kept pushing through and never slowed. The past few days I finally got my atw tires 34” and its even more of a beast. Love my jeeps!
My JLU Rubicon 4XE on 33" Nokians is literally a snow driving monster. Love it!
Great video, personally you guys are driving in some of the best snow conditions one can ask for, fresh powdery snow is always awesome but I want to see how those tires perform once the Sun starts shining and that snow starts becoming sheets of ice because I would have no confidence in those Mud terrain tires a all once that happens.
Yep. In Wisconsin we rarely have nice, deep powdery snow. It's always been refrozen and redrifted multiple times making a hard, dense layer of snow and ice.
I’ve seen a Rubicon with 37” toyo open country mt tires get stuck in a Dennys parking lot up in Big Bear after they were messing around. At the time I had a Tacoma with 32” BFG TA KO snow rated tires all with a full set of chains. Was about 10 years ago.
I had BGF KM2’s on my 4Runner last year when we had that deep freeze/snow in Texas. They performed better than I expected.
Just so you know, Colorado Powder snow, especially at or below 5 degrees F is more like sand than the wet stuff in the mid-west and east. That type of snow forms ice / black ice a lot faster than the Mountain snow. Other than dedicated winter tires, no off-road tire works well on ice other than chains and studs. I don't know if the 3 peaks does anything on ice either. Maybe your upcoming tests will show something new!
I was going to say, powder is easy to drive in. They should go to PNW or the North East where its slippery the second someone drives on it.
Offroad tires with soft compounds and lots of siping can work fine. Nothing is going to grab on ice like studs though.
I am highly impressed with my Cooper discoverer STT Pros. Great in the deep snow and hard pack roads.
I was wondering about to STT Pros. I bought the Duratracs because of the snow performance but when I go up to 37s I am getting the STTs because I have heard they are good in the snow for an MT.
I have them in 35’s on mine. Great 👍 tires
I have a 2019 Colorado Z-71 with Goodyear Wrangler's. Snow is never an issue.
Good illustration of the benefits of 4-wheel drive over 2-wheel drive. What is not said is, no matter the vehicle, you aren't going anywhere fast once the undercarriage/frame is resting on snow.
that is the issue with ramming snow essentially.
With light powder snow you will blast right through. With heavy wet snow you will get bogged down and stop. Rear based 2WD provides less than half the traction of 4x4.
I have a 21 sport. I’ve commuted over a mountain pass (6000ft) in blizzard conditions with stock all season tires.
I live in Canada, and even though we get a lot of snow, I have never owned a 4x4. Driving in snow is different than driving in mud. In snow, you want to feather the throttle, not floor it. Slower wheel spin gives you more traction from a stop than high wheel spin. In the winter, you need to open one window a "crack" because the small gap allows the moisture from your breathing to escape, and your windows don't fog up. I drive a 2wd truck, and in the winter, I carry a small steel shovel to dig out or chip ice if I get stuck. I also carry tire chains or traction boards for those times when you need extra grip
I remember in the 70,s Jeeps had worst heaters in the market, God help anyone stuck in that backseat😄😄
Tommy!! I see in your cold weather videos you and your dad mention the interior of your Jeep gets humid, uncomfortable and your windows fog up. I live in NJ we get some snowy days here too so here’s a tip; turn on your AC and adjust the temp to what’s comfortable. Itll remove the condensation from the windows and make cold weather treeking better for you.
The most capable vehicle I've ever driven in the snow was a Suzuki Samurai on snow tires in 4x4 high. Lightweight makes it easy get going and not enough power to really break it free.
My 2021 Rubicon is amazing in the snow with the traction control on in 2 wheel drive. Of course it is a total animal in 4X4. In your next test you should do an in-depth of how excellent the Wrangler traction control is. Don't underestimate how great the Wrangler is in 2 wheel drive with traction control only. All my driving is from the Reno Tahoe area
Learned something about tires! Thanks. Being in Sunny Socal I have never had more than max summer tires on my cars year round
There’s a huge difference in tires and the difference in all season and snow tires is amazing, night and day!
Thanks, from tropical Minnesota, so watching driving in snow is rare. I am a geezer having owned 70s land yachts (Marquis, New Yorker, Cordoba), all huge engine RWD masterpieces that sat and spun in more than a few inches.
Got a Willys Sport like Tommy, but with a 4-door and 2.0L Turbo, but I usually find these videos with Tommy’s personal Jeep interesting and confidence inspiring
Friday the 7th, when the rain hit after 2-3ft of snow I pulled 6 people out of deep sticky horrible snow with my old 91 astro van with blizzaks.
One officer (twice), one sedan, one coupe, one 3/4 truck, one half ton truck and a four wheeler.
Would be so cool to see Tommy do a Mopar LED head and tail light upgrade on his willys
JK Wrangler Unlimited Rubicons in 4H with 2” lifts fitted with 35” x 12.5” BFG KM3s perform excellent in the snow. In fact, it’s an absolute blast to drive them in the snow.
my 2000 jeep wrangler with bfg all terrains ko2s is an absolute tank in the snow I love it
Last year(2021) after the New Year, Central Arkansas received about 18-24 inches of snow. It was complete shut down. I drive a 2wd V8 Dodge Durango and after 2 weeks of it being thawed and frozen, I thought it would be okay to get out. I got stuck and had to ask my friend who had a GMC Sierra 2500 4WD could not pull me out. The 4 door 4WD "Cheap" Jeep yanked me out with no problem. I was so surprised. This year I bought snow chains. I may not ever need them but I'm going to have them.
I have my third Jeep, now a Unlimted with the LSD in the rear, with Goodyear Duratrac tires in a 33. It drives fine in icy snow Tahoe weather but I’ve learned some simple basics for success.
Have enough height to not turn into a snow plow, have good snow rated tires, and have as many wheels as possible spinning those tires.
The nice thing about snow wheeling is after a good snow you can pull out of your driveway and start wheeling right away. That is until the plow truck comes through and ruins all your fun. Really like that 2 door Jeep.
I've become an AWD convert over time. Driving in icy conditions you either have 4wd on or off so if conditions rapidly change you cannot adapt, especially on the highway. I've done more offroading in my AWD Suzuki Grand Vitara than most will ever do in their jacked up 120k setup jeep or other, and I've never been stuck. I hope full sized trucks come out with AWD systems in the future.
Most modern full size have had an AWD option built into the tcase for this purpose. (auto 4wd) it's a reactive system. Then you have systems with a center diff, i.e. Toyo Landcruiser,. Mitsubishi Montero, land Rover etc that are constant full time 4wd..those offerings have been around since the early 90's
Even Wranglers are available with AWD now. It's called "Selectrac".
@@randylgrep I guess I've owned old school 4wd vehicles :p. I'm driving a 05 ranger and it has to be changed manually. I'm changing to something more modern soon though.
Awesome! Tommy is having way too much fun in the snow. ❄️. I like his Jeep!
The fact that the stability control can NOT be turned off fully is why I'm selling my wrangler and getting an older one without kills the fun of playing in the snow
We had 49.7 inches of snow in the Fairbanks area. Our jeeps both run BFG KO2s which work real well!
Yes put it in 4WD and get 7 mpg! Awesome!
I use to think wranglers would be shit in the winter with there short wheelbase, until we bought one in 2017. Been the best vehicle for snow we have ever had. Far better than any truck we have had.
I was in Denver visiting family in 2020 when that first snow circa September 8 hit. It was a total white out!
I had a TJ back in the day and the short wheelbase made it extremely twitchy in the snow, even in 4wd. Truth be told, trucks with no weight in the back and short wheelbase wranglers are both pretty bad in the snow. For deep snow, heavy suv's with long wheelbases, good ground clearance, 50/50 weight balance, and snow tires are the absolute best. For icy conditions you want less weight, proper snow tires, and 50/50 weight balance, with either 4wd or awd being sufficient if you have good tires. I'm currently rocking a cadillac ATS with awd and Michelin x-ice snow tires and it handles Michigan's winters like a beast!
Although a shorter wheelbase may not be as stable, what I’ve observed is that with 4wd engaged on the 2dr Jeep- it’s less susceptible to allow the rear end to slide out and get away from you in the first place. Today while driving to Eldora I was able to accelerate out of icy/snow packed corners with a balance of under steer and oversteer. And oddly enough in my 2dr Wrangler, I almost got sideswiped by a 4 door because the rear end broke loose in the snow and they slid into my lane.
Not sure about Jeep traction control, but the chevy and ford tcms will fully disable if you hold the button until the light goes off then come back on usually ~ 10 seconds or so
Love videos guys. I don’t have a Jeep but in my experience if you have proper winter tires and enough ground clearance you can drive in the same snowy condition with no problem. I own a Kia carnival and have no issues in snow so far. From Canada 🇨🇦
It really all depends of tire selection. My 99 4.7 WJ does just fine in snow in 2wd. I did swap in Vari lock axles front and back, and it's 2wd is thanks to a 242WJ T/C swap. My 02 Overland 4.7HO has more of a street tire on all 4's, and it sometimes struggles and tracks sideways even though it has the same vari lock axles. It's till has the factory 247 T/C.
This has become the preferred right hand drive of rural mail carriers on the snow belt. Having delivered mail for 25 years I can attest to its snow going prowess. I often have to go down roads that have yet to be plowed and are drifted shut. I run Goodrich AT’s as they are cheap and readily available as brand new take offs.
Give it the beans Tommy. Looks like a good day. I think it handles it just fine. I like snow but hate cold! You should’ve gotten a heated steering wheel Tommy. We’re only getting 5-6 inches of snow today. But it’s early yet and I would love to see a foot. FUN stuff!
Where's the dog? I always enjoy seeing him in the vids.
Limited slip is great for getting going, but it will make you more likely to spin in the snow when in rear wheel drive mode.
I was driving a 17' f150 4x4 (edit with bfg k02) in the snow the other day and played with the locking rear and 2wd. You are totally right, there's way more chance of the rear coming around unexpectedly when the locker is locked. Good for getting going, bad for turning
More reviews comparing tires please! I have a 2020 Super Duty Tremor diesel that isn’t as good as my Prius in snow, because the Prius runs Blizzaks. Unless I’m bashing over 10” of snow, I get in the Prius every time it snows.
My 2021 Jeep Wrangler JLU Islander with the 3.6L Pentastar c/w etorque did well in the snow; but in -50F temps (-45C), not so much. Electronics went absolutely haywire in the cold, rendering the Jeep undriveable…. Damn electronics. My wife’s 2005 F-150 Lariat has no issues whatsoever.
Wranglers do have the hottest heat of any vehicle ever made. I’m always worried my 2021 is going to melt the vents lol
It was -40C here on the way to work this morning in Meadow lake Saskatchewan. -50C with wind chill. Brutally cold.
It’s great having fun with a Wrangler in the snow. Boulder is nice. Beautiful powder snow! We get more of the slushy snow in the northeast!
There’s certain things in life you have to pony up for. Heated seats and steering wheels in Colorado are definitely on that list! 😂
Up here in Alberta a lot of 4X4 drivers, Jeeps included, go for Wrangler Duratracs of BF Goodrich KO2s. They are a great balance for all year around for mud sand and snow and have the Winter snowflake mountain.
My ordered 21 Jeep Willys Sport 3.6 standard two door finally came in after 5 months and it's great.
I love snow days like this1 Great Fun!
Just drove my 21 wrangler willys in 8 inches myself a few weeks ago. No trouble at all!
I have taken my JL EcoDiesel just about everywhere in Northern Utah in the snow over the past couple weeks. I haven’t gotten stuck or slowed down yet. Stock Sport tires too.
Serious question, how's the defroster on the windshield when it's very cold?
Thank you for watching for the pups. Great video. ❤️
'05 Sport here. Owned since November but no snow in Ohio to drive in yet. Which is absolutely fine. I want to see how it does in snow, but if we don't get any (doubtful) then that's no problem.
Nice job guys. I appreciate you standing out there in the cold for the sake of science Roman :)
Down the street in Denver, I generally leave it in 2WD for most snow driving. Both my JK with LSD and the JL Rubicon. But easy enough to drop it into 4WH if it gets crazy deep. I will say the heated steering wheel and seats in the JL make the biggest difference. The mud terrains are good but the KO2 are amazing.
I have a Jeep Comanche with Select Trac. I live in Quebec so snow tires are mandatory from december through april. I run 31" Firestone Winterforce first gen tires, and on full-time 4WD, it digs and grips for days! It's almost boring; after 3 winters, I still haven't had a proper challenge!
This video is very accurate and I can personally confirm most of what they said. I’ve driven both a two door and 4 door wrangler in the UP of Michigan where we get alot of snow. The 2d definitely you have to be very aware when you start to slide or else you are going to be flipping all the way around. 4d you have a lot more time to react and is a lot easier to control in the snow.
As far as tires, I’ve had the BFG mud terrains and wasn’t in love with them in the snow. The KO2s are by far my favorite tire and are great in the snow. Even with my 2d wrangler with an lsd and the ko2s I hardly had to put it in 4wd.
The 4 door might be better on flat roads, but I feel like going uphill might be more difficult. Not sure.
I’ve slipped and been stuck on KM2s in 4wd on less snow than that. 1994 Toyota pickup with a rear locker. Nothing is fail safe on ice and snow.
I hope they do another truck/suv offroader challenge whether one person or three like they normally do. I miss that kind of content
Dad taking one for the team giving us some awesome shots of the Jeep going through the snow, ( I would love to see how the Crosstrek does btw ).
My friend had a 2004 Sahara and it was great in the snow...except around bumpy corners, it had a tendency to come around real quick cuz of the short wheelbase I figure.
Oh the Wrangler is great in snow. Just had 3 back to back winter storms here in Alaska and my 2 door JK Willys with just a level kit and 33s floats through the snow and ice.
I'd love to see a video on overseer correction in snow - from inside the car/jeep. The last time I was in snow, it seemed like every correction I attempted to apply to a slide was excessive (ie: over-correction) and I just wound up fish-tailing from side to side until I was able to stop. My eventual solution was to buy Blizzaks - which are awesome - but I'd still love to learn how to drive competently in the snow. 😁
Quarter turns. No brakes (make the slide worse) and if rwd/4wd, the skinny pedal in moderate use can help correct the slide.
@@randylgrep thanks!
Keep heaters really are great. And I can tell for 8-10 that’s pretty good. 8-10 of fresh snow is when a lot of cars start to struggle.
Hi guys, I own a red Jeep Gladiator Mojave equipped with studded winter tire (I live on the top of a mountain in Quebec, Canada) and this beast is almost impossible to stop.
I’ve had the Falken AT3Ws and MTs that are offered on the Rubicon. The AT3Ws are outstanding in the snow, The MTs are pretty good too, just not as good at the AT3Ws. I’m right down the road from these guys and we had the same amount of snow. My Rubicon walked right through it.