In my LR3 grass, gravel snow is only useful on compact snow on roads. In any accumulation of snow the best option is sand. It’s allows more wheel spin but still applies brake to the wheel that starts spinning rapidly. Found that out quickly trying to wheel in a foot of snow in my backyard.
Same situation here with an LR3. The snow mode is great at making sure you don't slide or lose grip which is really only helpful on paved roads. Probably the safest to use on snow but not the best for getting through the deep stuff or up steep hills.
I would love to see a Wrangler vs Ranger Raptor, both on KO3s, comparison. That would focus on Truck vs SUV (weight distribution) differences in snow✌️
Viewer request: Can you do a snow episode with a FWD car, like a civic (maybe in milder snow conditions of course)? Back before I bought an AWD, I struggled with figuring/learn out how to drive in snow with my FWD car. Watching you guys drive a 2WD in snow, and watching your thought processes, would've helped out a lot. Thanks!
Drove most of my Canadian life with 2wd sedans. All you need to do is: - get winter tires - slow down if you're slipping tires - if you start to slide, steer where you want to go and keep on the gas. Don't brake while turning and losing control, it'll get worse The first step and number 2 are the most important. 3 ideally you're not gonna need very much.
They're actually pretty similar tires, I know the ko3 is newer but they're both top-tier all-terrain I'm thinking solid axles probably help the Jeep more because that cheap Defender with coils doesn't have the articulation of a defender on airbags. Some people don't realize what the airbags link up left to right when it senses the need for articulation and it allows air to travel from One bank to another to mimic articulation in the moment where the coils are completely independent of each other and don't know what's going on unless you have a solid axle
@@ronaldrrootiii6040as an LR3 and LR3 owner I 100% agree, LR air suspension has the same if not more flex than an equivalent jeep that I’ve ever seen, I think the only reason that wrangler made it look like a walk in the park, is because it was driving through already turned up mud instead of ice
@@rondavidson7275 As an LR3 owner (and a bunch of other rovers), the Rover has pretty good travel but nothing like the articulation side to side. Much like here, one of the biggest problems of the LR3 is sheer weight. However in this specific episode the tires were the biggest difference. The KO and KO2 were never very good in snow. I'll also agree with the people who've already said to skip grass/gravel/snow in anything but hard-packed snow on pavement and go with mud and ruts or possibly sand to get some wheel speed.
You can find them for about $30k on Autotrader. That’s for a 2 door sport with the Auto transmission. I bet this time next year you could get a closeout 2025 with the standard power windows and locks for about the same price.
I really think it comes down to tires. I have K0’s on one vehicle and K02’s on two others and they all loose traction very easily whenever the road is wet with rain. I’m interested in seeing how the new K03’s are improved with wet traction as the older tire versions seem to have very little when it’s wet. Good tires and real locking diffs. cannot be beat.
I wonder how overheated the Wrangler brakes got with all the TC activation during that last segment ? Either pay for locking axles or brake pads & rotors - nothing is free
@@taylorj959a snow mode in land rovers dramatically limits wheelspin. It is for people that don’t know how to drive when they are on hard packed snow or ice. It totally cuts throttle input when you get any wheelspin in my LR4. Sand mode allows lots of wheelspin and shenanigans that generally are needed for snow wheeling like this.
As one who owns both a Jeep and a Defender, my feeling is that all the traction control aids on the Defender are best for lighter off-road applications or adverse conditions on the road. I refuse to take my Jeep on snow packed roads, the Defender outperforms the Jeep in this situation hands down. As for snow wheeling, the Jeep out performs, no question. I tried to create my ideal terrain response setting through the customization screen and feel I got part of the way there, but most times I find I just wheel in normal mode. I would really like to see Land Rover provide additional settings that make it perform more aggressively rather than just throttle its capabilities when truly off-road.
I have a 2012 Jk 2door with 76k on it. I just got new Nitto Ridge Grapplers, live in NJ hoping and waiting we get some snow this year. My first jeep and love 4x4 trails in the Pine Barrens
When offroad in the snow, you want fresh snow on your tracks if you can and you want very very low tire pressure. Ideally you want to stay on the snow and not spin at all. If you spin you go down. If you go down you high center. Now if it's not all that deep like this then you can spin straight through if you want to. But snow on snow traction is the best.
I own a jeep Wrangler 2 door and a Land Rover Lr3. I love them both but I find the Jeep is best in DEEP snow and slushy roads. On dry pavement or gravel the Lr3 is incomparable.
I bet the defender on air suspension would have done a little better because of the articulation from the air suspension. A lot of people don't realize that the air suspension allows for more articulation by linking the airbags together left to right in the valve block via the cross valve. So when the height sensors detect the need for articulation it opens the center valve allowing air to travel from one bag to another to mimic articulation while the coil one is completely independent and knows nothing with the other side is doing. The solid axle on the Jeep probably helped it
Air suspension makes it adjustable it does t add articulation for the most part. Especially compared to dual solid axle vehicle. What it can do, thanks to IFS/IRS and other geometric factors is maintain a better contact patch provided you don’t exceed the relatively limited articulation vs the jeep which will start riding nearer the edges of the tire.
Ok. Now compare KO's to Michelins. (Please - I hope you know I was kidding) I run Michelins on my Tundra during the summer and KO's (KO2) in the winter. Smooth ride in the summer, grip (vs absolutely no grip) in the winter.
The Land Rover is outclassed when you get into serious offroad activity just like the Jeep is outclassed for driving to work or driving to the mall. I remember the LR that you had to work hard to get off of Red Cone. Offroad and onroad the LR would be a better comparison with the Grand Cherokee.
Fantastic hard core testing! I can't help but wonder if some other/newer brands intended for off might have broke during that thrashing the Jeep was enduring. That was a ton of wheel spin and bumping ledges!
I don't know if there is a realistic budget for this but I would love to see a multiple tire review with different brands in the snow on the land rover or another vehicle of your choice
Here in the UK, where JLR vehicles have a cult following, most people who are still capable of rational thought would have to admit that newer models of Discovery Sport, Defender, Discovery & Range Rover excel on-road but struggle, and in most cases are actually pretty poor off-road - especially on stock tyres. Go to most off-road driving days or events and you'll see half the vehicles are heavily modified Series Defenders (90' & 110's) with a few modified Series II Discoveries. The other half of the vehicles are mostly Wranglers with varying levels of modification, some land Cruisers and a few pick ups. The new Defender/Discovery/Range Rovers are just blinged up shopping carts which you'll only see on the motorway or parked close to junior schools morning and afternoon as mummy does the school run.
Tommy/ Case - did you disable the DSC manually to prevent the power being cut? It also uses the amount of steering input when it’s on (the default setting) and will cut the power if you start doing rapid “full lock to full lock” type steering inputs as it thinks you are trying to crash the car? The other thing is in GGS and Mud and Ruts modes you get the option to to pull away using low traction launch control in the first page of the screen after selecting those modes - did you try using that option? I have a D250 6 cylinder 3.0ltr Defender 90 HSE with the air suspension pack and the offroad pack (optional locking rear diff) and in deep mud doing the above makes a big difference. FYI we don’t get snow like that here where I live in Central Scotland so I get no opportunities to explore deep snow performance, I have to make do with deep mud instead
Cheap jeep is such an oxymoron to us here in Iceland... The cheapest Jeep Wrangler I can buy is a 2 door Wrangler Renegade from 1993 - $17.500 The cheapest modern Jeep Wrangler is a 4 door Wrangler Sahara from 2011 - $39.250...
Good video, I think tire size was the difference here. I noticed the Land Rover would bottom out more and scraping the bottom is going to make it more difficult to push through.
Haven't watched but predictions: The Rover's traction control will be much better than the jeep, but the KO3 is a big step up from the KO2 in snow performance so it should even out.
Did you guys lower the tire pressure? 😮 I also wonder if the rear locker option would have help the Defender on this snow situation, would love to see another Defender with rear lockers
Heck, so many cool gee whiz screens and graphics on the Defender, by the time I figured out what I wanted to press, the snow would be melted, the mud dry. Problem solved. Great work Rover. /s Now, at the end of the day, in a crash, which one would you rather be in?
Are k02s acrually good in the snow? When I visited WA state I went snow wheeling. Two vehicles were running at tires. A modified Toyota LC 80 was running k02 while the stock gladiator I drove ran at3w. The gladiator ran circles around the Land cruiser on that day. The jeep seemed to have much more grip in the snow.
Oh my with the heft of that truck I'd guess it would be the last thing they'd be inclined to do ! Slide into a tree & crush a door ? Not good for resale $$
Yet another proof that all these modes are just a marketing trick. Its all about basic things in off roading: tires, articulation, clearence, locked vs open diffs.
As someone who’s not been snow wheeling before but lives in Denver, is Bunce School Road a good place to start? Or Yankee Hill area or where? Of course going with friends and the appropriate recovery equipment
I wonder if TFL compensates the employees when they " use up " personal vehicles for video time ? Andrie for sure has put his trucks through some beatings !
I llike the Defender “as is” I’m 69 hardly an issue for me heading up some hilly snow road alone. Love the overall color even the steel wheels. But? GIVE us consumers back direct injection 6 cyl’s!!! 😢
You should have lowered your tire pressure a little to get better traction I have the BF Goodrich trail terrain TAS they are awesome in the snow almost better then the ko3s
Actually in snow you're better off with pizza cutter tire sizes to get more bite with higher PSI on the contact patch. Or better yet dedicated snow tire as long as sidewall durable enough to take rock hits
BFG KO2 are not good in the snow. Very overrated & overpriced tire. Cooper Discoverer A/T’s are great in the snow. Toyo open country is also good in the snow.
I look at the 'defender' and all its info and toys and laugh because the drivers of the old 88 inch or 90 inch 'shorty' did not have that , they had high and low range , early ones had locking hubs , later had central diff lock , they had no tech and no computers worth mentioning even in the 2015 models. They had tons of ability and it was down to driver skill , now its how you play with your ipad , in the serious rough stuff a 2015 DEFENDER , in the hands of a skilled driver will leave that defender (read discovery 4and a half) struggling , the old defender will let you go where you want , the way you want , how you need to , this latest rubbish has all the nannies and gremlins to stop you (if you are a skilled driver) going anywhere while its so called brain that works on a truly limited operating system will try and work out its paramiters , remember , no matter how great your computer is , it only works on yes or no (+ or -) the human brain can make calulated decisions that no computer can . Any driver worth his salt will take that manual Jeep and go anywhere .
Guys… again, different load ranges. You have a 1” narrower “D” on the heavier Defender & the wider “E” on a lighter Wrangler. Two very influential variables. But, I STILL love these videos. It’s real world, real vehicles, and real usage. Keep ‘em coming and I’ll keep watching with my morning coffee. (and still rewatch your Blackbear pass video from a few years back and dream of doing that one day…)
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In my LR3 grass, gravel snow is only useful on compact snow on roads. In any accumulation of snow the best option is sand. It’s allows more wheel spin but still applies brake to the wheel that starts spinning rapidly. Found that out quickly trying to wheel in a foot of snow in my backyard.
Yep, my LR4 is the same - sand would have allowed the most wheel spin
Same situation here with an LR3. The snow mode is great at making sure you don't slide or lose grip which is really only helpful on paved roads. Probably the safest to use on snow but not the best for getting through the deep stuff or up steep hills.
I would love to see a Wrangler vs Ranger Raptor, both on KO3s, comparison. That would focus on Truck vs SUV (weight distribution) differences in snow✌️
As a Canadian, it's hard not to love winter wheelin' and you guys most definitely deliver the goods.
Defender more comfortable but Jeep more capable for less money. Nice video guys.
Thanks! 👍
Agreed
Hope you guys test the Ranger raptor in the snow this winter
Viewer request: Can you do a snow episode with a FWD car, like a civic (maybe in milder snow conditions of course)? Back before I bought an AWD, I struggled with figuring/learn out how to drive in snow with my FWD car. Watching you guys drive a 2WD in snow, and watching your thought processes, would've helped out a lot. Thanks!
Drove most of my Canadian life with 2wd sedans. All you need to do is:
- get winter tires
- slow down if you're slipping tires
- if you start to slide, steer where you want to go and keep on the gas. Don't brake while turning and losing control, it'll get worse
The first step and number 2 are the most important. 3 ideally you're not gonna need very much.
Tbh, grass, grave, snow is for slippery roads (highway) . For deep snow mud or sand programs are better. Tommy should now that by now :)
Tires, really made the difference
They're actually pretty similar tires, I know the ko3 is newer but they're both top-tier all-terrain I'm thinking solid axles probably help the Jeep more because that cheap Defender with coils doesn't have the articulation of a defender on airbags. Some people don't realize what the airbags link up left to right when it senses the need for articulation and it allows air to travel from One bank to another to mimic articulation in the moment where the coils are completely independent of each other and don't know what's going on unless you have a solid axle
Tires always make the difference
@@ronaldrrootiii6040as an LR3 and LR3 owner I 100% agree, LR air suspension has the same if not more flex than an equivalent jeep that I’ve ever seen, I think the only reason that wrangler made it look like a walk in the park, is because it was driving through already turned up mud instead of ice
@@rondavidson7275 As an LR3 owner (and a bunch of other rovers), the Rover has pretty good travel but nothing like the articulation side to side. Much like here, one of the biggest problems of the LR3 is sheer weight. However in this specific episode the tires were the biggest difference. The KO and KO2 were never very good in snow. I'll also agree with the people who've already said to skip grass/gravel/snow in anything but hard-packed snow on pavement and go with mud and ruts or possibly sand to get some wheel speed.
Cheap jeep with a winch all anyone really needs just wish it was really cheap
You can find them for about $30k on Autotrader. That’s for a 2 door sport with the Auto transmission. I bet this time next year you could get a closeout 2025 with the standard power windows and locks for about the same price.
I had Toyo Open Country tires on our old Wrangler. They were also 3 snowflake rated and were great in the snow..
I really think it comes down to tires. I have K0’s on one vehicle and K02’s on two others and they all loose traction very easily whenever the road is wet with rain. I’m interested in seeing how the new K03’s are improved with wet traction as the older tire versions seem to have very little when it’s wet. Good tires and real locking diffs. cannot be beat.
I wonder how overheated the Wrangler brakes got with all the TC activation during that last segment ? Either pay for locking axles or brake pads & rotors - nothing is free
It’s hard to beat a 2d Jeep. Bill is old school, like the only way they came in the 80’s. Had a few and they were a blast!
Indeed
Looked like a lot of fun. Good comparison and an honest review. The Jeep is very impressive with the K03’s!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@TFLOffroad Did you have the Jeep in 4WL with the Falcons?
Are you not suppose to put the defender in sand mode for deeper snow?
in sand you don't want to dig down as there is not a hard surface at the bottom but with snow you do.
@@taylorj959a snow mode in land rovers dramatically limits wheelspin. It is for people that don’t know how to drive when they are on hard packed snow or ice. It totally cuts throttle input when you get any wheelspin in my LR4. Sand mode allows lots of wheelspin and shenanigans that generally are needed for snow wheeling like this.
So new KO3's better than a Slightly worn KO2. Now try again with real winter tire on the LR...
Aint happening, LR isnt that capable, ifs all around
@@mblake0420 I'm pretty sure winter tires will help any vehicle in snow...
@@mblake0420LR are very capable. Proper tires and proper mode will get it done.
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As one who owns both a Jeep and a Defender, my feeling is that all the traction control aids on the Defender are best for lighter off-road applications or adverse conditions on the road. I refuse to take my Jeep on snow packed roads, the Defender outperforms the Jeep in this situation hands down. As for snow wheeling, the Jeep out performs, no question. I tried to create my ideal terrain response setting through the customization screen and feel I got part of the way there, but most times I find I just wheel in normal mode. I would really like to see Land Rover provide additional settings that make it perform more aggressively rather than just throttle its capabilities when truly off-road.
Tommy was a lot harder on this rig than Roman was on that Toyota that failed😢
You guys can send that snow storm to PA, I miss it😭
World love to see results you would get with Blizzaks on🤔
You Guys are Great....Everyone really appreciates your honesty and real world outlook.....JEEP BABY!!! Since 1941
I have a 2012 Jk 2door with 76k on it. I just got new Nitto Ridge Grapplers, live in NJ hoping and waiting we get some snow this year. My first jeep and love 4x4 trails in the Pine Barrens
i'm eyeballing KO3 for my truck before 2025's winter sets in.
Great video guys. I've been wondering about the KO3s. This video sold me on them. When the KO2s are worn out the KO3s are next. Thanks guys
When offroad in the snow, you want fresh snow on your tracks if you can and you want very very low tire pressure. Ideally you want to stay on the snow and not spin at all. If you spin you go down. If you go down you high center. Now if it's not all that deep like this then you can spin straight through if you want to. But snow on snow traction is the best.
In deep snow. With the amount they had, may as well have pizza cutters to get down to the dirt. Different conditions merit different approaches.
I think the biggest difference here is tires. Those usually make the most difference in any situation.
Cool video, looked like a lot of fun!
Tires are the most important factor for most performance metrics. Whether it's offroad, track, or efficient commuting.
I own a jeep Wrangler 2 door and a Land Rover Lr3. I love them both but I find the Jeep is best in DEEP snow and slushy roads. On dry pavement or gravel the Lr3 is incomparable.
I bet the defender on air suspension would have done a little better because of the articulation from the air suspension. A lot of people don't realize that the air suspension allows for more articulation by linking the airbags together left to right in the valve block via the cross valve. So when the height sensors detect the need for articulation it opens the center valve allowing air to travel from one bag to another to mimic articulation while the coil one is completely independent and knows nothing with the other side is doing. The solid axle on the Jeep probably helped it
Not when the bags are full.
until it stops working, and that it will stop working is inevitable. A lot of people realize this and that is why the avoid them.
It might have more articulation on the standard height, but it has way less when it’s on the full height.
Air suspension makes it adjustable it does t add articulation for the most part. Especially compared to dual solid axle vehicle. What it can do, thanks to IFS/IRS and other geometric factors is maintain a better contact patch provided you don’t exceed the relatively limited articulation vs the jeep which will start riding nearer the edges of the tire.
As a Land Rover owner I like how they changed the name of "special programs off" the "comfort mode"😂 thats smart cuz it's true
I got new KO2s and it would be good to see how they're different than the KO3 on the Jeep.
Ok. Now compare KO's to Michelins. (Please - I hope you know I was kidding) I run Michelins on my Tundra during the summer and KO's (KO2) in the winter. Smooth ride in the summer, grip (vs absolutely no grip) in the winter.
The Land Rover is outclassed when you get into serious offroad activity just like the Jeep is outclassed for driving to work or driving to the mall. I remember the LR that you had to work hard to get off of Red Cone. Offroad and onroad the LR would be a better comparison with the Grand Cherokee.
I think the Defender’s independent suspension reduces articulation and therefore you have less traction.
Fantastic hard core testing! I can't help but wonder if some other/newer brands intended for off might have broke during that thrashing the Jeep was enduring. That was a ton of wheel spin and bumping ledges!
I'd love to see you guys take the red Jeep Liberty from the Cheap Jeep series.
Gotta admit...those old Liberty jeeps are kinda growing on me. Lol
I don't know if there is a realistic budget for this but I would love to see a multiple tire review with different brands in the snow on the land rover or another vehicle of your choice
Here in the UK, where JLR vehicles have a cult following, most people who are still capable of rational thought would have to admit that newer models of Discovery Sport, Defender, Discovery & Range Rover excel on-road but struggle, and in most cases are actually pretty poor off-road - especially on stock tyres. Go to most off-road driving days or events and you'll see half the vehicles are heavily modified Series Defenders (90' & 110's) with a few modified Series II Discoveries. The other half of the vehicles are mostly Wranglers with varying levels of modification, some land Cruisers and a few pick ups. The new Defender/Discovery/Range Rovers are just blinged up shopping carts which you'll only see on the motorway or parked close to junior schools morning and afternoon as mummy does the school run.
Would be interesting to see if all these electronic aids would beat a 4x4 with 3 lockers without any traction control.
Tommy/ Case - did you disable the DSC manually to prevent the power being cut? It also uses the amount of steering input when it’s on (the default setting) and will cut the power if you start doing rapid “full lock to full lock” type steering inputs as it thinks you are trying to crash the car?
The other thing is in GGS and Mud and Ruts modes you get the option to to pull away using low traction launch control in the first page of the screen after selecting those modes - did you try using that option?
I have a D250 6 cylinder 3.0ltr Defender 90 HSE with the air suspension pack and the offroad pack (optional locking rear diff) and in deep mud doing the above makes a big difference. FYI we don’t get snow like that here where I live in Central Scotland so I get no opportunities to explore deep snow performance, I have to make do with deep mud instead
They are junk, modes are stupid
Cheap jeep is such an oxymoron to us here in Iceland...
The cheapest Jeep Wrangler I can buy is a 2 door Wrangler Renegade from 1993 - $17.500
The cheapest modern Jeep Wrangler is a 4 door Wrangler Sahara from 2011 - $39.250...
Good video, I think tire size was the difference here. I noticed the Land Rover would bottom out more and scraping the bottom is going to make it more difficult to push through.
Well, you only had to buy one Jeep to make it home from the Dealership.
I came for Bronco Content. I stay for anything else I guess.
Haven't watched but predictions: The Rover's traction control will be much better than the jeep, but the KO3 is a big step up from the KO2 in snow performance so it should even out.
You should watch.
That Defender coil spring already softens with that weight..
great video guys - good job!
Did you guys lower the tire pressure? 😮 I also wonder if the rear locker option would have help the Defender on this snow situation, would love to see another Defender with rear lockers
Heck, so many cool gee whiz screens and graphics on the Defender, by the time I figured out what I wanted to press, the snow would be melted, the mud dry. Problem solved. Great work Rover. /s Now, at the end of the day, in a crash, which one would you rather be in?
Are k02s acrually good in the snow? When I visited WA state I went snow wheeling. Two vehicles were running at tires. A modified Toyota LC 80 was running k02 while the stock gladiator I drove ran at3w. The gladiator ran circles around the Land cruiser on that day. The jeep seemed to have much more grip in the snow.
Tire pressure as low as possible would help.
Tires make a huge difference.
Would like to see Trail Hound go up there in the snow if you haven't sold it already.
Oh my with the heft of that truck I'd guess it would be the last thing they'd be inclined to do ! Slide into a tree & crush a door ? Not good for resale $$
I love this series
Yet another proof that all these modes are just a marketing trick. Its all about basic things in off roading: tires, articulation, clearence, locked vs open diffs.
Tires! K02’s are know to suck in snow and wet while the new K03s fixed those problems. Come on guys, the test isn’t relevant due to that alone.
As someone who’s not been snow wheeling before but lives in Denver, is Bunce School Road a good place to start? Or Yankee Hill area or where?
Of course going with friends and the appropriate recovery equipment
why do I feel like I've seen this comparison before
How about running k03’s on the Defender, and doing this trail again.
Good video guys
put the new K03s onto the Defender, to show a proper result...
Where’s the G-Wagon? 🤔 I would’ve loved to seen it go against the Jeep and Defender on this test.
I really want to love the Defender but I just don’t trust them the way that I do Jeeps
G’Morning TFL! Would be nice to see Alex join in on these "cheap" jeep reindeer games. Like his jeep vs the company jeep???
I wonder if TFL compensates the employees when they " use up " personal vehicles for video time ? Andrie for sure has put his trucks through some beatings !
I llike the Defender “as is”
I’m 69 hardly an issue for me heading up some hilly snow road alone. Love the overall color even the steel wheels. But? GIVE us consumers back direct injection 6 cyl’s!!! 😢
Only compare with vehicles on the same tires, please.
You should have lowered your tire pressure a little to get better traction I have the BF Goodrich trail terrain TAS they are awesome in the snow almost better then the ko3s
Defeneder with the clear victory once again. Jeep is nothing but a poseur duck magnet. :P
Loo we didnt see the same video
It's a little early to start drinking, my guy
I love my ko2s I will be sad when they stop making them and I have to go with the ko3 .
Also, tire size, a bigger tire will give a better bite
Actually in snow you're better off with pizza cutter tire sizes to get more bite with higher PSI on the contact patch. Or better yet dedicated snow tire as long as sidewall durable enough to take rock hits
THAT defender is so HOT…SO IS KASE!!
Love that Defender
Get 2 jeeps one with KO2 and one with KO3
You should use 4 Low in the Wrangler for best results, the Land Rover it’s basically an iPhone…. Keep it simple Go Jeep.
How much do the ko3 weigh compared to ko2 ill take the lower weight .
It looked like defender cut power and momentum. Not good when you have no traction.
Maybe you could try putting the correct-sized KO3s on the Defender 90?
MT = Mud Terrain, not Max Traction
How about putting KO 3s on the land rover
I’ll take that 2door
What is the mass of the jeep?
Check Long Term Quality Index for long reliability.
A basically useless comparison without KO3s on the defender.
Y u no use same tires?
Suzuki jimny all day
Put three fat guys in that jeep to make up the weight difference from the Rover. 😂
Ummm can somebody say tire pressure?
Land rover be sitting in junk yard before it touches off road.
day to day in the defender - until it breaks down... 4 banger... ? really ?
BFG KO2 are not good in the snow. Very overrated & overpriced tire. Cooper Discoverer A/T’s are great in the snow. Toyo open country is also good in the snow.
No! 5 doors please not 3 doors
Does it really matter in the snow?
Bumpers o 5 th Wheel of
I look at the 'defender' and all its info and toys and laugh because the drivers of the old 88 inch or 90 inch 'shorty' did not have that , they had high and low range , early ones had locking hubs , later had central diff lock , they had no tech and no computers worth mentioning even in the 2015 models. They had tons of ability and it was down to driver skill , now its how you play with your ipad , in the serious rough stuff a 2015 DEFENDER , in the hands of a skilled driver will leave that defender (read discovery 4and a half) struggling , the old defender will let you go where you want , the way you want , how you need to , this latest rubbish has all the nannies and gremlins to stop you (if you are a skilled driver) going anywhere while its so called brain that works on a truly limited operating system will try and work out its paramiters , remember , no matter how great your computer is , it only works on yes or no (+ or -) the human brain can make calulated decisions that no computer can . Any driver worth his salt will take that manual Jeep and go anywhere .
I'll take whichever one doesn't have 20k in electronic nannies that cut power to my drive wheels when I don't want to.
More chickens here, always stopping before it gets interesting
Anybody heard of airing down? Hmmm I guess not.
The LR was very disappointing. Too many Nannies on the LR and I was impressed by that Jeep.
Guys… again, different load ranges. You have a 1” narrower “D” on the heavier Defender & the wider “E” on a lighter Wrangler. Two very influential variables.
But, I STILL love these videos. It’s real world, real vehicles, and real usage. Keep ‘em coming and I’ll keep watching with my morning coffee.
(and still rewatch your Blackbear pass video from a few years back and dream of doing that one day…)
Your weekly reminder from TFL that Land Rover is garbage.
Ha!!!