Sunbreak Looks To Be What Rise Should Have Been | Monster Hunter Sunbreak
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มิ.ย. 2022
- In this video I detail all the reasons to be optimistic about Sunbreak. Even if you found Rise disappointing.
The animation in the video is from: • MHWorld Shots: HR49 in... - เกม
Iceborne ended up being what world wasnt, im 99% sure Subreak will end up being what people wanted it to be
"180 hours in monster Hunter are rookie numbers"
What a preposterous statement! I had 280 hours or so in rise while the amount of time I pumped into 3U was only around....2700, yea you might be right.
What did you do for 2700 hours? I get 200h out of every base game and that's it.
People being able to play the older games which had way less content than Rise for thousands of hours says alot about how poorly Rise utilized its contents
@@yiangaruga4928 3U has more content than Rise fool
@@yiangaruga4928 TRUE
though i also think it's because Rise was just generally faster and easier, i mean you can't even counter the LS in 3U
I'm just having fun casually grinding out my HR in Rise while occasionally going for crowns and I'm nearly at 400hrs.
I just like hunting monsters and that's it. It's a fun game with fun gameplay, and while the endgame grind might be non-existent, you can still just play the game to have fun.
I’m surprised that nobody is talking about certain quality of life improvements that were present in the demo. The one that really impressed me was that calling your palamute is way faster now. In base rise you have to wait for you palamute to run all the way over to you, but now they’ve made it so your dog digs into the ground and pops up right underneath you for you to mount instantly. I actually used my dog a lot during fights because of this feature, it’s so good.
My gog yes. I was worried that i’d have to stop using the “let me ride” shortcut with the d-pad cuz S-Skill swap is also in that hotbar, but that change quickly dispelled any worry
oh wow I didn't even notice that. That sounds like a lifesaver tho
That is indeed a godsend. Especially in the demo without any grinder jewels, quick doggo is a life saver
It does so in rise, but only if you have specific situation
THANK you for saying this. Everyone I talk to is saying it was in base rise but noooo it’s not.
The Capcom line up is ridiculous. Hype is back on the menu. Still psyched about the Dragons' Dogma 2 confirmation as well.
If DD2 is as good as DDDA then it's easily moving into my top 10 video games. Dark Arisen was a amazing dlc and i hope DD2 has something similar.
Bro you would not believe how hyped I am for DD2. I swear to god I have been seeing sequel rumours for like 5 years at this point. Glad they actually turned out to be true for once.
@@jimjimson6208 ikr
@@jimjimson6208 Exactly. DDDA is such a unique game I keep checking out every once in a while, no other game quite like it. To hear that Itsuno is working on DD2... it's music to my ears.
The greatest game ever made is getting a sequel... I think I'm gonna cry. 😭
Last time you said that rise was going to be better than world
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Wasn't it? I have a hard time seeing how base World is as good as Rise
@@wittyname3322 on par. Some parts done better by world, others done better by rise
@@islamsalimzhanov4399 agreed
@@wittyname3322 I don’t know, I preferred world’s endgame loop
Couldn’t the video title concept generally apply to most master rank expansions? They just take all the defining features of the high rank experience and expand on them and make them better.
No because it would imply rise was good to begin with in order for the expansion to be "better". Better as in more good. Instead, this is what Rise should have been to begin with, and the expansion should've expanded on base Sunbreak(Rise)
You'd think so but Rise failed in many ways. They are literally removing rampages and apex monsters and alot of the best changes to Sunrise are directly tied to things that the fanbase deemed bad in base Rise. Sunrise isn't just improving Rise, it's changing it to be better.
Idk about any other than World and Rise, but in Rise the base game was only "finished" in title updates, meaning that the title updates should have been in the game without said updates.
@@KeyjikK MHW was no where near amazing at base.
@@KeyjikK If you believe other MH games weren't lacking at launch you probably don't remember Generations and World at launch.
The period in which MH was getting most of it's popularity in the west we got Freedom Unite, 3 Ultimate and 4 Ultimate. The standard at the time was the Ultimate versions (even though we also got Tri, which was the worst MH game in terms of content) so when Capcom released Generations vanilla in the west every single gamefaqs forum and Reddit complained about the lack of content. The exact same thing happened with World, people weren't happy at all about getting just tempered monsters.
Now, what is undeniable is that Rise truly is lacking, even when compared to the other Vanilla versions that were already lacking at launch.
I REALLY want Sunbreak to be good. Rise is my first MH and Im at 250 hours which is the most Ive ever played any game by a fair margin. I know these are rookie numbers for MH but it's a lot for me
If you could get the chance try some of the old series too
tbh 250 isnt a small amount if time but yes rookie numbers example being that i have 1200+ hours in MHW be proud 250 isnt anything to sneeze at gj my dude
@@quentinb734 I played about 40 hours of GU and got to HR. After getting farted on by a monkey I got a new laptop so I played Worldborne for about 200 hours. I plan to get back it after Sunbreak
Rise is my first too! And I'm really crossing my fingers and toes that Sunbreak lives up to all this hype
@@MrGameNuke you have no idea man xD master rank expansion are always amazing. They havent missed once. And me someone whos played 5 mh games so far i can tell that sunbreak will be fire just by fighting Tetranadon astalos and malzeno in demo
Hey dude, appreciate your content. Your measured reflections are great and a breathe of fresh air in this arena. I’ve been following your content since prior to rise’s launch, for all of the games you’ve mentioned during that time. Have a good one!
Oh man, Ratatoskr has begun to believe. This is a dangerous stage. I'm ready for you to either be 100% vindicated or 100% disappointed with no in-between.
I agree that the Astalos and Malzeno movesets have me optimistic for the difficulty of Sunbreak. In my opinion they fit right in with the spirit of what Rise should look and play like, and I even hope to see some crazier stuff thrown at us. We've been given an incredible set of tools. Bring it on.
Lol true. Personally i think we should try to hold some reservations because everyone loved to Rise demo and then the full game was way easier and had issues we didn't foresee.
Exactly. I dont like this kind of opinion.
You feel this game is easy because you are already a veteran. You feel World hard is because its your first MH Experience.
But then again, its your opinion.
To be fair, both monsters are promoted in the demo's for a reason.
They are the some of the few monsters actually able to give us a challenging moveset to deal with.
I allways found this difficutly discussion interesting. I started with World, then played Rise and then tried GenU and the first quest I failed, was Solo HR7 HUB Hyper Rathalos (what a shit fight btw), but I don't know how many quests I failed back then when I played through World for the first time. Hell, good old Darks Souls player me, triple carted against LR Barroth. So difficulty has a lot to do with your experience. If you have played s lot of Monster Hunter, the new one will always be way easier then for new players, the veterans will only find their challenge only in the endgame, this was true for GU, Word and it is true for Rise.
I mean, everyone said World was too easy… and then Iceborne came out with master rank and fixed it. So it’s kinda predictable they went with this route: make the main game for everyone and then ramp up the pain for the diehards in the expansion. I have a feeling this will be something capcom does in general now
Btw, the “new” map aka the forelorn arena is a returning map from mh3u, where you fight lucent (obviously) and metal raths so they would probably be in that update, hopefully molten tigrex too considering there aren’t that many rare subspecies.
It's from MH2, not 3U.
No, the Dos Tower was a different place, this is the one Lucent Nargacuga was fought on in 3 Ultimate. It's more flat than the Dos Tower.
@@Lutyrannus this is 3rd gen tower.
@@HenshinFanatic No, they're the same location. The main difference is that the 3U one was changed to be just an arena. It's meant to be the same tower.
It's actually from Monster Hunter Freedom 2/Freedom Unite. That exact same arena locale was in second generation
I'm gonna miss Sunbreak's combat mechanics once the 6th gen monster hunter comes out. But, I'm glad Capcom is finishing the 5th gen with a bang. Here's hoping this is one of best mh to date, because it sure has the groundwork for being one.
Capcom should bring back underwater environments from Monster Hunter 3, as well as reuse the Seasons mechanic from Monster Hunter 2 Dos
@@bullymaguire9987 That's how I feel about it too.
@@bullymaguire9987 I'm praying. I'm not even buying sunbreak, first mh I haven't bought since mhfu.
I'm counting the days to when we can finally crawl out of the Switch and utilize platforms with the power to render wildlife instead of blank maps.
@@unicorntomboy9736 cries in Lagi
It's usually how it goes. Base world had a lot to be desired that was fixed in iceborne. I think they intentionally keep the content low for initial releases to make the inevitable expansion be like the "full" game. It kinda sucks but it's still my favorite game.
I think we can be pretty certain that's not what happened with the Rise launch. We can't know for Sunbreak, but with Rise the game wasn't just low on content, it was just plain launched incomplete during a time period when Covid was causing mass-delays in game launches and Capcom had suffered serious issues from a hack. There's a difference between a game being low on content and releasing something that stops on a cliffhanger because they weren't done making the rest yet.
i enjoyed a lot rise, but i paid 50 euros for the full game at launch and now having to pay more 40 euros to have the "real" experience (the new mechanics and life improvements...), it just make me mad, cuz the game in a total is gonna cost me 90 euros... one thing is new maps and monster, ok yeah put a 20 euros tag on it for who wants it, now putting "new" mechanics behind a paid wall that is literally the price of a new game...
I've been enjoying your IG streams since few people have been running IG in the demo. Also appreciate the torvus catacombs music. :) Really excited for Sunbreak! Gore Magala in particular looks incredible.
I was expecting your take on the feelings with the demo and hopefully will have your opinion/review once the expansion releases. I would love to hear your overview with the new LS so looking forward for more content, keep it up!
It seems a lot of people forget that when world released a lot of people feel off the fucking map when they reached end game. Because there was nothing to do and it was easy as dirt.
You fought the same 3 tempered elders and that's it. Jho, golden goddess and the events helped with some endgame and then Behmoth came. Slapp3d everyone for a few weeks and finally. Iceborne came put and solved all the real issues.
Monhun Gen not GU. But base Gen was just as bad
Monhun 4 not 4u was just as bad.
Everyone keeps thinking that base games are supposed to be these super long experiences when there literally not. Every. Single. Game. The west has gotten until world was always the completed Grank versions. And that's the game everyone put far to much time into. Because that's when everything was made to kick your ass.
If you don't beilive me. Go play all of village in gen and 4u and just stop don't enter the hub. And simply play those. You'll get the same feeling of I'm missing something. Because you are. This isn't a new issue.
don't poop their bubble bro, that's mean.
mh veterans forget everything about previous games and then idolize them like salty war veterans. that's what make them cute. they are annoyingly cute in their own way...
fr tho, they tend to forget that they are in this saga since first entries on the 3ds and have YEARS of experience hunting returning monsters ofc it would feel easy...
and the need of the game to feel balanced between fresh, accesible for newcomers and still as challenging it's not as easy as they think...
I'm amazed people want a super long endgame for the base version. You're telling me that you want to spend hundreds of hours grinding out stuff that ultimately means nothing when the expansion comes out?
Christ I remember the honing mechanic in world. When you upgrade honed weapons into Iceborne, bearing in mind some would have taken a while to do so the games like "oh lol we're gonna have to remove that soz. Here's the materials back tho not that they do anything for master rank weapons"
@@sergiosegura2024 it is interesting that I a first timer because of rise knew about the improvements that come with the expansion but long time veterans forget it, it remind me of pokemon where everyone remember the improvements and long things to do in the third versions but forget the first gen versions has average things to do
Bravo. Amazing work. I've never heard of you before, and that was a mistake. This was a phenomenal video. Articulate, intelligent, yet practical opinions, and high quality editing. Overall, just really strong. I just Followed and turned on All alerts. Really, I can't say enough good things.
P.S. You sound like Sam Harris, which I ain't hatin'
me and all the veteran players are like, yea this happens like /almost/ every game. eventually you don't get worried anymore you just get annoyed that you have to wait a year+ for the other half of your game :/
I agree with this sentiment but I also do think base rise was laughably easy. Going through low rank I never hunted a monster more than once to upgrade equipment and it still wasn't difficult + equipment costs are so low you almost always get enough for a piece from a hunt. I was recently replaying Freedom Unite and the low rank in that game is absolutely brutal compared to modern mosnter hunter.
I was about 200 hours into Rise before finding out monsters can snipe you out of the air as an insect glaive user. They gave monsters some incredible ways of punishing you in base Rise, but they use them so infrequently that they might as well not exist.
Insect glaive has always felt like easy mode to me. I never lose when I use it. Monsters just cant hit me.
@@Zach-wu8vz and your clear times are?
@@lachlan4534 been using greatsword but got 12 minutes on Malzeno. Gonna save the glaive for actual release.
@@Zach-wu8vz oh sick :D I've caved in and finally bought the PC version even though it's so close to G ranks launch but oh well. Haven't played the demo so I can have a bucket load of content to work through but from what I have seen it looks amazing :D
@@lachlan4534 it's the most fun I've had on my switch ever honestly. I straight up cant wait 9 more days
In a recent Korean interview with Ryozo and Suzuki when they're asked about apexes and rampages and that they won't be returning because their tied to Rise's main plot and with it being solved there's no reason why they would be there and instead they'll be replaced with something else
You basically said it, the main issues always boiled down to difficult and endgame. They are the core faults which leads people to blame the wirebug and dislike wyvern riding more than they would have if it wasn't forced and the game was more difficult.
I hope they've learnt that lesson and it seems like they have.
Hating wyvern riding is completely un related to people finding it too easy and being dissapointed in the endgame. The game could be hard as nails and the endgame amazing and I would still find wyvern riding absolutely awful on so many levels
I hope wyvern riding never returns. The normal mounting system is infinitely better.
@@joesheridan9451 Unrelated? Not entirely. With how easy the game is on its own, Wyvern Riding made it feel exponentially easier when you could just run to a large monster; slap it with a wirebug move, mount it, bring it over dish out a shit ton of damage for free. Topple the target with the combo ender monster, beat the shit out of it, then run away and do it with the *other* large monster all over again. By the time you're said and done, the monster is missing a large chunk of its health for little to no effort-it trivialized many of the DLC and endgame monsters where this was abusable, and I absolutely disliked Wyvern Riding as a result.
I don't hate it nearly as much as I did in base Rise so far from playing around with the demo. But it's way too much damage for so little effort-Bring back world mounting without the clutch claw and I'd be a happy camper.
wish wyvern riding didn't have a theme that overrides actual good music
@@nubitynub1757 they at least made it optional in sunbreak. In the demo we can change the controls to start wyvern riding so that it only happens when we sheath and deliberately start it, instead of auto triggering it through attacks. That way it kinda plays out like a one time exhausted moment. I like that a lot more
I believe Sunbreak will be a lovely expansion. Lots of people are already thrilled by the added roster with Espinas bringing the idea of more Frontier monsters making their way into the game/future entries. I wonder what they will replace Rampages with, perhaps sieges ? Dalamadur and Yama Tsukami seem like great choices for such events. I can genuinely see a fight starting on boat and crashing into the final battle area, wherever that is. Inugami from Frontier is a monster which has been mentioned too. Point is, Sunbreak is mysterious and full of potential !✨
Welcome back sir, been missing your mh content.
With the powered monsters they should really just power everything even 1 star monster like the great izutchy, give 2 new moves raise the damage and health to be end game level and release that as an event quest, having just 3 to 5 endgame monster that you just repeat gets boring, they could also do the thing that they did with the almother fight and have it drop especial materials that can be used to upgrade the armor sets of said weak monster to be endgame level with new skills and slots while still maintaining the theme of the set just scaled, the system is already in the game they just need to actually use it. This would mean that every monster is endgame and every armor sets are viable (at least in nunber of skills and defense)
Powered up maybe more in line with apex monster which I wouldn’t mind if there was a reason to do them.
@@mikeboi64-49 I know that just wish they would do more with it, more monsters and gear from them
I just hope theres some sort of incentive to fight these powered up monsters. Apex monsters were fun and challenging fights, but there was no reason to hunt them aside from the challenge itself. The MH sense of progression is one of the most driving factors of playing through the game. Without progression, the game falls flat like Rise's endgame did.
they just need unique armor like the old Apex monsters in 4U had.
@@ShadowAraun yes i agree but the armour skills need to be worth it too in my humble opnion
Hit the nail on that one. Biggest reason I never went back to do those quests was there was no incentive to do them. No armor, no actual weapons from them, no special layered armor, just challenge for the sake of challenge.
I went back for Valstrax, but apex monsters with no rewards? No thanks.
@@trynaka1421 with the advent of transmog/layered systems though, i wouldn't really might if they weren't that great in a meta sense as long as they look good.
@@camil3545 I want Dreadqueen armor back ;-; I love that set
Look at this 90k subs andy. Congrats, bro.
Hear me out. Maybe your arguments for why rise was dissapointing were because-like every other monster hunter game-the G rank expansion wasn't out yet
I really hope there is an endgame. I put 200h into Rise while World hooked me for 1200h.
Yea world treated us wonderfully
World or Iceborne?
Same it looks great so far I am so glad I can be excited for it
The way everything is worded with a s at the end makes me believe they are implying at the very least 15 additional monsters
The playing of travis bog theme in a hopeful video really makes me go "damn, I want my water jetpack already." Bit of a double whammy
My main complaint with Rise boiled down to 2 things: Not enough questing and not enough new content. Until event quests happened, the game launched with a total of something like 50 hub quests and 30 village quests (or fewer). I finished my Rise playthrough with about 130 hours, and the only reason I got THAT much out of it is cuz i had a few friends i had to help catch up. As for new monsters, i went through each game and tallied how many new monsters were released for Rise. Even base World, a game they had to build from the fucking ground up, had 17 NEW monsters. I wasn't around for earlier gens and how much their base games offered, but I counted all the monsters unique to those game, and even they're in the 20s. Rise had 11. Even Narwa and the Apexes, variants on the old, didn't come out til later in the life cycle. Like you said, the game had no challenging end game for when I completed the main game, but even the main game had so few quests and monsters, I felt cheated by the same company that brought me MH4U, my first monster hunter game and one I sank 450 hours into.
I'm just hoping that the base roster of sunbreak is filled with a healthy variety of challenging monsters. Sure, the ones we know of are looking like mostly great picks, but I'm still hoping that there are a few new debuts and returning monsters waiting in store for us at launch.
Hey rat, still here, still subscribed. I’ve never really played a monster hunter game, and I’m sure there are many others subbed here that came here for the soulsborne videos. I think it could be a cool video idea to talk about the overlap between the two communities (because I noticed there is a fair amount of overlap) or maybe a video trying to convince a souls fan who’s never played a monster hunter game why they should try it.
I never got around to playing original rise demo and jumped straight into sunbreak, and i was baffled by the complaints about rise, aside from 9 faints for some reason. So i guess you are right. I am yet to beat malzeno on lance, but i will get there.
Aknosom in the Sunbreak demo has caused me more trpuble than I'd like to admit. He's hit me more often than stuff like crimson glow valstrax since I'm not able to predict him as much
Wishful thinking perhaps, but I have a feeling that Frienzied monsters could come back with my man Gore.
I BELIEVE!
"What is he doing?"
"He's beginning to believe."
The one thing I loved about demo malzeno and astalos is that it you get punished for using new mechanics recklessly, like when I used the the new lbg counter to try to avoid every move I was sometimes punished by a mixups and moves that work around my counter like malzeno’s rush attack that sends you flying in the air or his 2 part moves when he is enraged
I think this was a coincidence that I commented on an older video of yours about MHRise, saying "You should update this video for the upcoming Sunbreak".
some of you still remember? the days when EVERYONE was complaining base world was lacking contect after finishing the story... all the good parts we are talking about nowadays are from ICEBORN, so we shouldnt compare rise to iceborn ;)
Good video and I agree with both of your criticisms! I think comparing World's play time to Rise's playtime is a little unfair though when one of them was a live service game and the other one isn't. 180 hours for a non G-Rank MonHun game is pretty reasonable.
I hope that when capcom decides to add difficulty to each monster, it will be new mechanics and move set because I hated fighting the advanced monsters. All it was to me was for difficulty add more damage and all that meant for me was dodge more often. I would like for some monster to have something like a debuff that says if you are ranged your bullets will deal less damage unless you aim at a certian part of the monster vs if melee on other monster maybe you will have to sharpen more often, this could be affected with needing to use items in your field pouch to negate said debuffs
you deserve a new sub :)
no way to actually tell if the endgame loop is fixed until we reach it, but in terms of difficulty and excitement i agree that they definitely delivered with the fights in the demo. anyone who has fought Astalos in Generations Ultimate will most likely fair well against him their first hunt, but Malzeno? not surprised if most people timed out against him first try. i learned his patterns quickly but in that process i didn't deal enough damage to him to secure the win- all while maniacally grinning at the quest failed screen. im so happy with his fight i may just sit with that failed attempt and wait for a real rematch in the full game.
This is comming from a mhgu fan, but the whole idea behind the deviants was crazy good imo. You could either get in a 4 player lobby and destroy them with some semi competent players or you could solo them to test yourself, just the journey from g1 soulseer to the ex took me about 20 hours or smth, and even though i got tired after g5 it felt amazing when i completed the ex. I just hope they dont fumble the new "powered-up" monsters like they did with the apex ones in base game rise
Your "wishing there were some walls littered throughout the journey" speaks volumes about my exact experience. I didn't fail a single hunt until Valstrax. I fainted a mere handful of times during the story. Once against Aknosom (village), once against Almudron (village), twice against Tigrex (hub), and a few times during the rampages, specifically against Apex Diablos, Apex Mizu, and Ibushi. And then twice against Allmother Narwa. Rise was incredibly easy as a result of all the new wirebug mechanics. But it's still my favorite MH game. I just hope they give us more reasons to keep playing in Sunbreak.
Hi Ratatoskr!
Nice to hear you're planning on branching out to others of my favorite games like MH and Dragon's Dogma :) .
I wasn't able to watch much of your stream. Were you able to Solo Malzeno Demo?
Yes. Took me 3 hours lol.
@@ratatoskr6324 nice. Congratz!!
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Tetranadon actually being able to follow my wirebug antics was a sight to see for sure. I like Tetra, so I'm happy it got a decent upgrade. That said, I'm not sure it'll be for me tbh. I already found Rise to be overwhelmingly fast and chaotic and the saving grace was that single hits didn't usually spell doom. With the new switch skill swap, I was completely overwhelmed in the demo. I'm still on the fence about the expansion for that reason. Maybe I'll sit it out for a slightly less hyperactive game in the series (fingers crossed)....
The thing is, you don't need to use the Switch Skill Swap if you don't want, you can play like in base Rise just fine, they didn't balance the game around it, it's just another extra tool.
I agree that the skill swap thing is "too much to handle" at first, but I think (or at least I hope) that's because we don't get to build our own skill sets in the demo - so our brains can't predict what's where and that leads to confusion / overwhelmingness. I tried making some "clean" setups in the base camp, and then putting exactly what I wanted in each slot and scroll color, and that helped a ton.
I'm still not really feeling the actual swap action, but I think with time it'll feel natural, much like wirebugs in base Rise (shoutouts to everyone, including myself, getting midair combo'd by Magna because of wirefall mashing immediately after getting hit lol)
@@MatheusMarti There's armour set skills that rely on swapping. Certain things are based and balanced around it.
Aknosoms moveset really surprised me in the demo. They are subtle changes but it makes his fight way more dynamic and harder
Excited as I am I think I need to wait until after release to buy due to a possible delayed end game like base Rise.
This vid makes me more hype for sunbreak and the year ahead than any of their campaigns and road maps XD
I thought my 560 hours in Rise were "rookie numbers" :D I had upwards of 3500 in Freedom, 3500 in Freedom U and 3500 in Tri respectively for a grand total of just about 11,000. I started world after playing Rise since I didn't have a Ps4 and I dropped about 400 into that game but I played solo so the vast majority of the initial multiplayer experience I didn't delve into so my hours were severely lacking from that alone.
I really hope there's something like tempered or hyper monsters so more monsters have a purpose in end game.
Blessed video length brother inshallah 🙏
I had over 1k hours on MHW... I only had 180 Hours on Rise... In my opinion, Rise was too easy and too short and the rampage was not really even a part of the story you could not do rampage and you could still finish the story... BUT Sunbreak is what we needed it looks so good and I cant wait.
half true. There's like three 'forced' rampages you have to do to finish the story
@@noodle4542 They were probably so easy that I just forgot about them lol
The rampages are certainly more spectacle than difficulty.
The ones I at least recall are the tutorial rampage, Apex Arzuros as the High Rank gate and Ibushi
3:11 I pour 2000 hours into MHW IB, 800 into MHR , and 850 in MHGU
I have a severe addiction to these games
And those numbers are gonna get bigger with Sunbreak coming out
i love when someone says that rise is easy and the video shows up a LS user spamming the counters XD also i love when someone compares it to world, keeping in mind that as today world has MR while Rise still does not. all games prior to world weren't as easy because the mobility. for me it was fine but most people say that mobility sucked. let's not talk about all the quality of life upgrades that world had. an inmense amount, which were carried away into rise, and rise got a few more. you remember how insanely clunky the clutch claw mechanic was? refined into the wirebugs. yes, those tiny details change the "difficulty" insanely. for the "rise hasn't captured the player's interest as long as the other games" well, world did just for the fact that you had to farm gems that had 0'X% chances to appear... let's compare it to the mh3u/4u charms that had literally 0.0000X% chance to get.
for the new monsters in rise: Don't compare it to the base game... why are you comparing the moveset of a tutorial-level monster with the one of a end-game difficulty? that's basically what ALL the previous versions had. heck. mh4 engame was pure crap. you can't even imagine how pointless was to play it past the end of it (unless you had a japaneses 3DS or a pirated one) ... while 4u ended up being one of the comunity most loved entries...
also, base mhw can be totally played with the very first armor you get.
i just want one of those people that say "mhw iceborne is hard" play the 4u version until they got all the perfect relic armor and weapons, for example.
This is exactly what I've been saying for like an entire year now. Capcom has never dropped the ball with a Monster Hunter expansion. The base game is always simpler, designed to ease the players into the generation and its mechanics. I can't count a single time I've ever been particularly pressed by High rank gameplay in any Monster Hunter game. The true challenge always comes with G/Master Rank, once the foundation has already been built and Capcom can focus entirely on building the most exciting experiences with the tools they've created.
I remember when my buddy saw my hours played in MHW…. Haha he asked if I was OK
Idk I've seen some comments in this very vid, world had the same issues, for a lot of people it was there first game so there's no comparison, but as someone whos played since tri, world was also in the "easy" camp of MH titles. you specifically mention pink rathian as a wall, but I just wouldn't say it is and the double bazil and tempered kirin where like the last two quests before endgame (not counting update content) so it's a null point. and for the stuff that was "hard" in world was mostly 1-shot garbage that isn't all that fun to fight. (looking at behemoths meteor which breaks the games logic, killing you even with temporal because they had to do BS like that to keep any challenge in the first place) and before anyone says anything, I know how to deal with it and get the counter with the emote and stuff, thats not the point I'm making.
I feel strange about difficulty in rise, maybe not great for a youtube comment it's getting long as is, because I would say it's the easiest and hardest game in the series. obviously not failing quests as often is one thing, but I also hear how wirebugs trivialize the game and I can see where they're coming from, but I see it as your getting hit. the monsters have pretty challenging movesets with that mindset they arn't very punishing, so you can just get away and heal, but your getting your still getting your ass kicked from an action/fighting game sense.
The lack of an endgame is one I get, it's totally fair, granted I'm glad I had time to do other stuff after rise came out instead of being consumed like what happened with world. though it partially through stuff like rotating events quests (hated it in tri, and I still dont like it here) and weekly bonuses like some MMO, it works but in all the wrong ways. I would like to add if they balanced the game better and element was good there would have been more weapons and sets to make and stuff, a temporary solution maybe but it's something. chasing deco's worked in keeping me and I assume many players playing, but it was abysmal with how crucial certain ones can be for set building. The endgame was great for streamers as an infinite content sink, but as someone who wanted to play, grinding tempered Val Hazak 1000 times was a chore. I liked the guiding lands far better though I can't say I did a ton of grinding in it, I was burned out by worlds grind.
Also forlorn arena is an arena, locale is a pretty generous name for it.
I'm hyped for sunbreak though, gameplay was the best part of rise, hopefully we can see some challenge here with G/master rank, and sorry for the long comment.
Dude I read all that and you have one of the most nuanced take. As for me, difficult = can i complete the quest?
And that's the main problem with Rise as opposed to previous games. From a "fighting/action" perspective, yes it's harder, but what's the point if there's no punishment? As a lance main, where it takes ages to sheathe my weapon, wirefall is basically a free quick sheathe, whereas in previous games I had to watch in terror as my hunter sheathes his lance just waiting to be smacked before i can chug a potion. With wirefall? Insta sheathe, mega potion, and boom! All damage negated.
I agree from an action perspective is harder, but what if we turn on God mode? It's still harder because you get smacked more often, but you can never die, which defeats the purpose. But otherwise i think i agree with everything you just said
@@ashfields9273 yeah, that's why I said it's the easiest and hardest at the same time. and if malzeno is an indication of what we'll get Im pretty excited, the bloodblight is great for limiting healing, reducing the issue of wirebug and heal, plus alot of follow-ups to punish wirebug spam in general. Good damage making multiple mistakes in a row actually matter, good stuff. Granted demo fights like that are usually tuned up which is sad, I love it as is, with 50 mins, food buffs, better upgraded armor, ect. you wont need to sweat excesively to beat him so hopefully they leave his damage as is.
Also should probably say it's easy to get caught up in world vs rise, new vs old gens arguments and just to be clear I love world and rise, both games are fantastic in their own way. Theres things I miss about the older games and all that, but theres also things im glad are a part of the past. My initial comment is more a reaction to opinions I've seen since even world came out and I feel theres a "missing the forest through the trees" situation around alot of it and this seemed like a good place to put some of those thoughts.
I think your difficulty reading is fine, but theres certainly a scale, great jaggi isn't as difficult as nergigante even though I can clear both for example and thanks for reading it, though sorry I ended up writing another book.
I think all of us would've loved if Apex monsters had weapon and armor sets and that took away from the game.
Hopefully they make the talisman skill searching worthwhile.
Maybe I'll try it out. Never played it. Definitely need a game to play
This one sparks joy.
I have over 5000 hours in monster hunter world... on xbox. I have a few thousand more on pc and ps4.
Hey, excuse the question, but does anyone happen to know the music at 5:58? I find it weirdly mesmerizing
I can get hyped for Rise regardless of difficulty because I've fundamentally changed how I play Monster Hunter.
In the original PS2 game, you had a lot of options for building monster-based weapons, but you also had a lot of bone and iron stuff which was a lot easier to make. Sure they technically underperformed, but the lack of grinding required to get them (rusted weapons notwithstanding) more than made up for the time lost during longer hunts. Based on that model, I came up with a few rules for myself that have dramatically improved my experiences within the series:
1. Only use weapons based on iron, bone, or small monsters.
2. Only complete each quest once.
3. Every quest in a Star Level must be completed before doing the associated Urgent Quest and advancing to the next level.
These rules provide a few key benefits:
1) Hunts become more difficult, which means learning a monster's movements and engaging them accordingly becomes a lot more important.
2) Because there's no grinding involved, the average player will actually have time to complete every quest.
3. The player has to engage with even the most "tedious" or "difficult" hunts if they are to progress, helping to improve the variety of gameplay the player will experience.
Rise being disappointing is an understatement. I can't even say I like it. I like PARTS of it, but the complete lack of challenge and progression made me not just quit the game at the end of the story, but also feel like I wasted my time during the story because I thought I was suffering through the boring parts to get to the good stuff in the endgame... but that never came, and the only challenging content in the game is pointless to do (apex) due to not giving any kind of reward that feeds into the endgame loop.
Rise made World look like a hardcore Monster Hunter game which is hilarious considering World in itself is a massive step down from 4U.
Gonna wait a little longer to see if Sunbreak delivers.
"Im ready to believe"
Marty mcfly - hey ive seen this one this is a classic
You've inspired me to play Monster Hunter as I love your content and I too have grown weary of Elden Ring pvp disappointment.
I think i'll just keep playing world until another PC MH game comes out. (as opposed to an arcade like switch title) I like the slow souls like weight of World. I thought they got it just right.
Maybe the “powered up” monsters is just the frenzy virus from gore magala
Imagine if it's hardcore or zenith monsters
I think if they made the wirebug stuff reserved only for the insect glaive it'd make it so the monsters would'n't get dogpiled with damage so fast.
Early game walls are important. It forces you to engage in systems like upgrades, as well as forcing you to LEARN something. Zinogre is infamously aggressive and on older titles where hunters were slower it would require a significant fighting style adjustment as compared to lazy fights like Arzuros. You HAD to get through G. Jaggi to get to Zinogre to get to Nergi to get to G rank, etc. Along the way you pick up techniques and knowledge that are required for the game to even have engaging boss design.
Old school Barioth taught me the importance of breaking parts which was vital in harder fights. How did I learn this? By swinging for his head and hitting the wings on accident. After several failed hunts getting wrecked by his speed I broke a wing. I immediately see a topple and later notice his dashes are slower. There was no tutorial popup. The lesson was completely natural. That fight was the first time I got him to the nest. I killed him the very next attempt. The new games simply cannot replicate that experience. They are too easy.
Mh4u will always be my favorite reaching g rank gold crown was so fun
"I'm embarrassed by how many hours I put in world"
dang I'm on that same very exact boat
I like the new monster fight experiences. Not too sure about the weapon changes
I put 500 hours into 4U without even getting into G rank now in rise i am only 50 in and i am at HR 6. The difficulty is not present until HR 8 and above.
I just hope if there's monsters like the Apex ones they have gear and/or are a good farm for talismans. My biggest complaint was the Apex monsters didn't have gear or offer anything.The difficulty was good towards the end with event quests of super monsters like emergency and the one super magnamalo one but they didn't have gear so that killed it for me. I did tempered tier 2 and 3 investigations in world bc of decos and got good for AT and end game elders in mhw bc they had rewards. I played for 250 hrs in Rise which is lowest I ever played HR MH game
I am starting to buy into the idea that we were never meant to fight Apex's outside of Rampages, we got them outside of the Rampage because we wanted to actually fight them, so if Apex's are connected to the Rampage and many people enjoy their fights but hate the lack of armour and weapons... now, what's the closest thing to Apex's that we have?
Deviants... the Apex's are basically Deviants with a different name, all they'd need to do is rework some of their moves (like their "destroy the gate" attacks) change their appearance's a bit and boom, Deviants in Sunbreak!
And they can explain why we couldn't fight them before by saying "only Master Rank hunters are authorised to hunt the Deviants, they are just that dangerous!"
finally you made a good video, holy shit
My theory on the endgame problems in Rise is that the dev team had a lot more planned but had to cut stuff to release in time because of the pandemic leading to slower, more constrained development. My main reasoning for this is the fact that the actual ending to the story and the Elder Dragons weren't released until the first title update, which just seems like something they wouldn't have done if they had time. Any leftover ideas they may have had will probably show up in Sunbreak. I'm extremely excited, the combat in Rise is so much fun I just want an excuse to put another 300 hours in.
And I would also say there is a huge difference between playing Rise singleplayer and multiplayer. I'm not gonna assume how you played the game, but playing with my a full part of 4, we hit a LOT of nice walls while playing thru Rise, and it definitely made it fun to finally beat that monster that was giving us trouble.
Do the lower rank regular Rise monsters also have the new moves with Sunbreak installed, or are these new moves only present in master rank monsters?
*we have this thread every day image*
We have this video every game before G rank version.
I have low expectations but hopefully this will turn out great for me. I didn't enjoy Rise as much as the other games, so sadly, I am in the same boat. I feel like I'm not done with Rise, but it is done with me. It has nothing left to give. Hopefully, Sunbreak will give me the expansion, and then more.
As someone who spent a bit of time with Rise and then felt like, "I guess I'm done with Monster Hunter..." This is heartening news. Rise just felt like an appetizer for a game that didn't exist.
Edit: The Title Updates really highlighted how Rise was basically launched early to make it into that previous fiscal year.
It be that way sometimes. I felt the same when World launched, but here I am years later! World grew on me over the years as I gave it more chances, PC performance & mods let me solve some of my glaring major issues, and even though it's not my *personal* favorite MonHun, it's still a great MonHun game.
@@Viotech3 I will probably have to wait on Sunbreak on PC. I don't want to deal with Switch load times, but they are using Denuvo again and it made Iceborne unplayable for my PC for months until they eventually removed it. It makes my PC like... seize up for 5 seconds at a time, which both sucks when you're in the middle of a fight, but also desyncs you horribly from everyone online too.
I certainly hope that the game is much much harder now.
As a completely new player to the series, I agree/relate to pretty much everything except that base Rise is TOO easy. I also put about 180 hours in and felt pretty underwhelmed when I got to the current endgame, and didn't put a whole lot more into the game once I hit that point. But I do recall my partner and I (I played most of the Hub as a duo) hitting a few road bumps along the way.
Embarrassingly enough Rathalos took us a few attempts the first encounter, and Magna wiped the floor with us for a bit too. Up until HR 6, the game felt challenging enough to keep me engaged while learning the ropes. It does kinda fall off after that until Valstrax tho, even as a baby hunter none of the elder dragons were too much trouble(I honestly think Rajang is harder except for maybe Teostra).
All in all, I was happy with Rise. It's imperfect and maybe not as gripping as previous games, but the hours I put in were fun. I'm excited to get absolutely stomped over and over in Sunbreak and hopefully hit more of those traditional MH "walls" I keep hearing about.
Winter could be 2023 also, but I'm pretty hype
I hope there is something like the guiding lands from icebourne
I've made this point quite a few times, but as a long time fan of the series (day one in NA on the old fat PS2 with the modem add-on), I'm basically out on the HR games. I just don't really enjoy them anymore. G/Master Rank games just have more of everything I want. Bigger rosters, expanded movesets and mechanics, harder fights, a fully fleshed-out endgame, etc. etc. Despite picking Rise up for both Switch and PC at launch, I basically didn't play it until a few weeks ago. I powered through LR and HR and am now just puttering around clearing the quest list and waiting for Sunbreak, which I'm quite excited for.
This is something I've been feeling since at least Tri, although World was so exactly tailored to what I want from MH that I was able to overcome it there. But I didn't enjoy Tri all that much, despite adoring the setting, didn't bother importing 4, and Generations was the low point of the series for me. 3U and 4U were absolutely incredible however, giving me thousands of hours of enjoyment. I largely skipped GenU because I was just really out on Hunter Arts and World was already on the horizon.
I don't need ultra hard quests , I want to have fun hunting. If i want my quests to be more difficult I use a weapon I'm not used to or try new ones. The lack of content sadly was a problem.
I think Sunbreak is a “we apologize” gift for the things that were left out. That’s why Ithey’re going in guns blazing with the monster roster, and balance changes.
They don’t have to apologize for anything. They did all they could with a lot of unexpected challenge and still delivered a great game
Apologize? What a silly take. They tried something new, some things worked, some didn't. They learned. They don't "owe" us an apology.
They better give us the gear for apex monsters or I'm gonna be pissed. Makes zero sense to have the deviants and not actually gives us their gear.
@@TonyJenn Not saying that unique features were bad, I just felt like how they approached the release of rise. Like. For example the release of the Three elder dragons and the all mother felt like it should’ve been with the base game of rise. Although the combat of rise was amazing, there was little replay-ability. I do feel like this roster is definitely more packed than Iceborne. My comment was bad wording though I will admit.
Even though I think that MH Rise is objectively a lot shorter than other MH games, I think that the content is actually a lot more balanced.
In MH World after 170 hours, I had literally this feeling that I didn't do anything, because it was slow on so many things (chaotic maps, slow movements and a lot of missing QoL updates that made me grind more for less).
In MH Rise I am 80 hours in...and I feel like I had SO MUCH fun and the game was a constant blast, without dead times and/or frustration, where as with MH World I had many moments, where I just felt frustrated because the game had many BS monsters I just didn't want to fight but had to.
There is a new armor skill that will regenerate wirebugs upon hitting a scroll switch parry. Oh yeah and it turns your scroll switch into a parry. Nuts.
That sounds kinda broken ngl. Does seem awesome at the same time tho
Man...i agre 100% with this video. It represents me.
What do you think of the weapon balancing? (cough cough insect glaive)
It's very common for monster hunter to feel something lacking before heavy amounts of title updates/Expansion.
But once HR/G rank is introduced via expansion or "Ultimate" Versions. That's where everything starts fitting together.
I stopped at the 150+ hour mark. (Considering I put over 800 in TRI and over 1000 in mh4u)
150 hours is nothing. I have alot of confidence. That Sunbreak will fix this. And that they will support this game for a while via title updates.