Does BJJ work AGAINST a KNIFE ATTACK?
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Nick , at my law enforcement agency we train with a simulated knife that gives off a small electric shock. You should buy one of those. It would make training a bit more real.
Actual;ly thanks for the suggestion, I will look into it.
I was faced by an attacker while I was waiting for the train in NYC. I did exactly what you say in your videos, if it wasn't for that, I'll probably be dead... thanks Nick
DowncastIce F to be honest, it was kinda scary the way he approached to me. He asked where if the train was going downtown. I said yea, then he pulled out a knife asking for my shit. I put up my hands telling him to take it out from my pocket, as soon as he looked which pocket had my phone, that's when I hit him with a strike in his temple. i got off the station & took a cab instead. If i didn't know what exactly to do, I'll probably would've done some stupid shit
DowncastIce F just street fighting experience
Manny if you don't mind me asking, but what time did this incident take place??
^ Was it at night or during the day? Were there other people around? Did the assailant have possible accomplishes?
And which line was it on?
Just curious to have a better understanding in order to be more aware and prepared for these type of scenarios, thanks!!
Peter Liakakos It was at night, there wasn't any people around. And it was by the 2 line & it was like at 11:30.
Hi Manny. I figured it would have been at night, cause that stuff usually happens more in the late hours don't they??
Glad you are safe and sound though.
Kudos!! :)
How is the other guy representative of grappling, when Nick Drossos is doing the better grappling? lol
Only thing i have to say is that after training BJJ for a mere 7 months, I know that you always run when you have the change and you never "grapple" someone with a knife; the knife itself becomes the enemy and the focus of the defense.
In other words, knives are EXTREMELY hard to defend against, just run.
Lol bout right. Or open carry a gun..
Most of the time you aren't aware a knife is involved until you're stabbed or after the confrontation. You can get stabbed 5-7 times in the first 5 seconds of the altercation. If you're in open space, you could run. If you're in close quarters, it's better to pin the knife.
the best self defense channel on youtube
Thanks so much!
Next to master Wong and funker tactical lol
smokedoubt no they will get you killed in a real fight!
The other guy looks too passive in the drill, great video though
Even fake knives are scary as fuck, especially if you put yourself in the correct mindset.
No doubt about that, knives are always scary
gladiumcaeli I agree, real knife users don’t show the knife and they don’t lunge at the victim.
If he is a competent knife user. He protects his blade on his forearm.
If he pulls another short knife your finished.
Yeah, he was slow, and passive. Anyone who is agile and trying hard would have stabbed that instructor to death over and over. True knife defence: run; gun; talk/beg/apologise/cry your way out of it; or if they just want your stuff, then give it to them.
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This is rubbish, the training partner was slow and passive. Anyone who is agile and trying hard would have stabbed the instructor to death over and over. True knife defence: run; gun; talk/beg/apologise/cry your way out of it; or if they just want your stuff, then give it to them. Only as an absolute last resort would you go to this, and if that happens, good luck! All the martial arts knife defence techniques are dangerous bullshit.
@@dadthelad I think pretty much the majority of knife self-defense videos are unrealistic. I've seen multiple real life street knife attack videos and many of them are kaotic, quick, and very violent. There are a few I've seen where two guys square off and both were a bit cautious in trying to maintain distance. In those types of situations I could possibly see using some of these self-defense moves. But majority of knife situations in public are going to be way too crazy for anyone to do any fancy disarms. Like you say best thing to do if you can is to swallow your pride and run like hell away. However, one thing I've noticed in almost all of these knife-defense videos is the lack of suggestion to fight back DIRTY. I'm talking about strikes to the eye, kicks to the groin, attempt to kick out a guy's knee, things like that. One slight scratch to the cornea is enough to send a fully grown man on his knees crying with pain.
if a knife attack occurs
keep your distance and don't embrace
#RUN
It's the only real defense for it!!!!!!
Running is not always possible
@@pablono100 yeah street situations are unpredictable
There were a bunch of hurt egos that disliked this video because they don't like to face the truth. The reality is that there's no martial art that offers solid, reliable knife defense. Not one. While a BJJ guy spends the next decade earning his black belt, it still won't be enough to counter a knife. I know it sucks to know that, but it's true. If you want to learn to defend against a weapon, it's best for you to train in weapons. Going bare-handed against a weapon is always the last resort.
Effective, informative, and trained as close to real life as one can get. Kudos to you sir.
Thanks John
I work as a Cash In Transit Officer for Loomis Armored US and this is exactly why I also carry a 6" blade Bowie knife while on duty. If a robber tries to do anything stupid such as trying to tackle me or put me in a choke hold or a submission move he will have hell to pay and get stuck worse than a pig on Christmas.
Great, informative video.
keep it up!
thank you for the video, and thank you especially for the honest assessment at the end. I can appreciate when a proponent of a certain style can still point out its weaknesses, and give an honest opinion.
Its all about riding some truth. Thanks
Great video, love this kind of content :)
Thanks
Great video Nick!
Thanks
I like how it seems pressure tested, and the advice seems sound when focusing on position.
Why did you let go of his wrist after you trapped the knife already? When u went for back. I'm just curious maybe something im not catching.
Which martial arts u have trained before?
Thank you Mr. Drossos for this amazing lesson. I would love for you to come to my school and do a live seminar. Please let me know how much you charge.
Remember, the knife is rubber, and your friend doesn't want to kill you.
Grappling a knife wielder will get you carved up. I know this fact makes BJJ heads spin, but better heads spinning than perforated vital organs.
Facts. A knife can cause a lot more damage than large pistol calibers.
@@CC-mm3bl WRONG.
Studies have repeatedly shown that shootings have a MUCH higher mortality rate than anything involving a knife.
if bjj worked against knives the gracie challenges would have allowed the challengers to bring
a knife to the challenge.
What? Knives are a deadly weapon. BJJ is a martial art of pins submissions and sweeps using leverage. BJJ is better against knives than almost any other martial art.
@@josuerodriguez12b Do you think a bjj practitioner can survive a knife attack?
@@rodvan-zeller6360 odds are higher if you know any martial art vs untrained
Great 👍 video Nick . I like the responsible advice. People need to see this logical approach to knife survival. Keep up the good work 👍.
Thanks !
You sure are a great Self Defense instructor Nick this also shows how great Kali is what do you think about Kali Nick
Never did it, so cant really comment on it.
Great dry run, realistic and a good do and don't play out.
Thanks
Does Kali-arnis work in street fight?
Nick you're the truth.
THANKS
Np man. Real fighters see what you're displaying in your videos. I call it how I see it.
And the lesson is, don't mess with Nick Drossos. :D
lol
this is a really specific scenario where both have to be on their knees to be succeful and also he doesn't want to get up nor the assailant knows how to use a knife, maybe for a domestic case its ok.
This is the most realistic knife defense video I've ever seen, "Detroit urban survival training" could really use some tips from you, since their techniques are unrealistic and could result in a serious injury if someone were to use "Detroit Urban Defense's" training
Thanks
If he has knife , give him what he wants. If he tries to stab you try to parry it like he did and throw a left hook to the jaw and run.
1st option is to run
If you're in close quarter and hes trying to kill you then try what the video shows as a last resort
If hes trying to negotiate while in close quarters then give him what he wants
If hes trying to negotiate when you're not in close quarters then just take tf off on him and run
Looks like the one that useful in Jiujitsu for knife scenario is kimura. Am i correct?
Anything that allows you to pin the knife will do. Blade control is the important thing.
Well said!
First and foremost, in any situation, the initial solution is to de-escalate, and/or escape,
That being said, when I'm rolling, the thought of a knife being pulled at any point while on the ground scares me. No matter where the person is, they'll generally have 5 targets to choose from before you're even aware of the knife: heart, liver, lungs, throat, eyes.
I'm a security guard, and this is a very real situation I could find myself in. It seems everyone here is carrying either a knife, machete, or bear spray hidden somewhere.
Nick that was awesome brother
Thanks!
Well the Gracies actually have special techniques for against a knife, BUT I don't like those much either, and even they tell you that the best and first option is to run...
Run is ways the best option, but in close quarter it actually can be counter productive.
Nice to see some Gracie self-defense instead of sport rolling. Master Rickson would be proud.
Nick , beforehand did you warn your opponent that you are a professional of stabbing , because poor Luis has got his confidence affected now. Just kidding of course , impressive speed of grabbing , another great instructive demonstration !
Thanks David
I dont get it
seems that you control the situation by grabing the knife but at the ene you say that is not optimal and you should strike... so which one is it?
jorgezt32 he said he would avoid to crapple against a knife. so he would always strike first. but if you find yourself in this situation on the ground you need to deal with it too.
Its you need to strike and trap or trap and strike.. what ever you get first, but dont wrestle him.
nick is it a good thing to do krav maga and kick boxing at the same time cause i want to develop my punches and kicks through kick boxing and then some self deffense techniques through krav maga
that's absolutely fine! Although if your krav instructor doesn't cover groundwork i would suggest seeking one out to get the full package
bill123 Yeah. I train Krav Maga and my instructor thinks that anything that will give you an edge is valid. We're doing less sparring these days, but we're focusing on perfecting the techniques. It's a bit of a season thing with my instructor. Our master on the other hand thinks Krav Maga is just enough, but then he has 20 years of training, I don't have 20 years to spare. So if your body can take it, go on and kickbox away.
Sounds like you have a great instructor.
he is very good and he covers
thanks a lot man
This is the best damn self defense channel ever known, this is what reality self defense really looks, not all fancy stuff yu see in most self defense smh haha but this is great nick keep up the gud work
Thanks shaftman
Jiujitsu is great self defence against a blade… when you’re wearing armour.
Another great video sir nick can you make a video knife attack from above
Thanks for watching
I grab someone that keeps trying stab me meanwhile they really won't have a chance,
Hi Nick, may i ask a question not related to you video please if thats ok.
Here in the UK we cant carry knives legally, stiff penaltise (good thing) but we can carry a metal cree led flashlight - hard tube. I was wondering how you would use one of those in a fight. And if youd be up for doing some videos on it maybe.
Thanks, all the best
Metatron spoke about that.
erm ?
A youtuber...flashlight self defense...
dont mess... lol
nazcret22, appreciate the suggestion. Thank you
Just some advice to every martial artist here regardless of the discipline. If homeboy pull out a knife and you have an option to run away... run away
Nick (btw this is off topic) have you ever heard of someone called Chris and Xand Van Tulleken? (they're both twins). I swear they're like your double, or triple I guess.
Why are u getting over hooks if he has a knife?
Good video, I did sort of figure out years ago I should move off to his grabbing hand.
Yeah trap as fast as possible
No, I meant I figured out if he tries to grab me, I should focus on getting outside of that grabbing hand & away from the knife.
My Gracie Jiu-jitsu instructor teaches us well in defense against a weapon. That is:
1. If possible, run away and don't fight.
2. They want your stuff not you (if it's a robbery) which means they would've stabbed you and then took your stuff off you. So just give them what they want because again they want stuff that can be replaced. Your life can't.
3. It's not always applicable to comply and sometimes you have to fight.
4. Only fight if it is absolutely life or death because you can fight and lose 100% or you can fight and lose 99%. 1% survivability is better than none.
5. If you have to fight this is what we are taught. And then he goes through the training.
In every move he showed us was first controlling the knife and then trying to submit the bad guy, and escape as soon as it's possible. Not only escape but get the heck out and away from the area.
This is also why I don't rely on my Jiu-jitsu training alone. I also carry both firearms and knives. If it all possible, if you're armed and attacking me, I want to be armed defending me and mine.
bjj is obsolete when weapons are involved.
good video!
Thanks
your welcome!
his exhausted.
I would love to see you with one of those electric training knives. See how your training goes.
Im actually going to look into it..
01:53
The dear disciple attacked with a slow motion... do it at real speed.
this is what you call real life example!!
you know, once i read in a manga called GAROUDEN that if you brought a knife to fight against someone who knows to fight you will lose, because you will be very dependent on that knife to the moment that you will forget that you can punch, kick, slap or grab!!!!
all of your focus will be on how to stab with this knife
Very true
This BJJ guy isn't too acquainted with the knife, right? His part attacking was pretty stiff and all that, not that it would make it any less dangerous, on the contrary, being stiff and doing sudden big movements might result in a big wound that might give him time enough to go for the kill.
Would like to see the drill performed with a red marker. This is better than doing nothing and knife vs bare hands is just bad. If you can't run and the attacker has a knife. Probably want to address what you have on you that can mitigate arm cuts, wrapping a jacket around your arm for example. Movement is good though, I like how the defender is creating an angle and always moving. Also, this is assuming that the attacker has already drawn for intimidation purposes. Heaven forbid the defender thinks its hand to hand, gets in close and hello surprise knife.
Hypothetical say the guy has in mind that now days most people have a jiujitsu background and has a knife hidden on him and almost allows the bjj guy to get ahold of him only to pull the knife and cut or stab the bjj guy as his line of sight loses visual of the knife guy's other hand?
Nick One time I was in a biker bar in Waco Texas and I fought off 2 Hells Angles that both had knives so I know a lot about how to defend yourself in this type of situation. You are right, trapping the knife is very important, its a bit different when fight 2 at one time. Steve (42-0-42) Flemmi
Steve Flemmi I'm calling bs
Great Nick ! That's real life situation because you saw to all the keyboard warriors that in real life against a knife you must have a death wish to try clinch the knife attacker :-)
Yup! trap it, but strike as fast as possible.
I find it extremely ironic that Nick is the one trapping and pinning the BJJ practitioner
I thought you were Joe Rogans buddy that Joe roasts for acting as though he knows anything about martial arts. Lol I was wrong though
Im always fascinated as someone who has been stabbed on a fight lucky enough it hit my hip bone and it was just a sneak attack. We were 2 vs 5. But, i honestly tell everyone if your being robbed hand everything over if you have a chance run like the wind😂
Nick you are an inspiration to me...I love your videos and they have helped me...But if you want your career up the sky stop using guys like the one you used I this video...he couldn't stand that test.
I cant always control, who the attackers will be and how they will attack. But the point is still the same.
Is that Bryan Callen
well when it was just JJ with no B then it was made for people fighting against swords which pretty much are the same
tim gersh sword defense and knife defense isn't the same. a whole other story tbh.
how so?
tim gersh a sword is much longer. you are in a different distance than vs a knife. the sword guy wants you at the tip of his sword. a knife attacker wants to get really close. alone that is a huge difference. defense vs a sword is similar to a baseball bat defense (nick also made a video about sword defense, check it out :) )
ok well the thing with a sword is the blade can cut you. A bat can get you pretty badly if it hits you but lets say that for some reason you can not get a good swing than a bat does no good
tim gersh i meant in terms of fighting distance is a bat similar to a sword. mid range. knife is close range
Self defense jiu jitsu differs from sports jiu jitsu and teaches great knife defense. Actually some of your movement and strategies are similar to ones in bjj self defense
Thanks for sharing, any links I can see
Nick is legit
Thanks
next video..show how to defend with a knife vs a semi automatic pistol
Honestly the 1% of the 1% can defend against a knife, everybody should run. The only equalizer is the gun. Any martial arts for the mortals is fruitless against it.
Jamessr23 the only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
DowncastIce F who's Chuck Noris
If you are within 20 feet of someone who has a knife, and your gun is not drawn yet, you will die.
A knife in close quarters is much deadlier, I can promise you that.
There are plenty of videos of people being stabbed when they had guns and the other guy had just a knife.
Micheal Culbertson he talking about a person that knows how to use a knife considering you're a knife expert and you're talking about someone who knows how to using a gun considering there a gun expert gun expert will win over a nice expert every time there is no comparison now if you're not a gun expert and the other one is a decent knife Handler yes you are dead or you go to the hospital same if role is reversed
Looks almost like KM blocks. BJJ sucks for knife defense.
Just start slashing his fingers.. fights over
moral of the story..always carry a machete
I'm not sure what your trying to get at, you did exactly what I or any good BJJ or MMA Grappling coach would teach to fight a knife. The advantage of using a weapon is not is lethal-Ness, but the range it gives you. The easy way to beat a weapon is to stay out of its range, either by staying outside its range or moving inside. If you can run, RUN! If you can't run, then keep the weapon from between you and your opponent and close the space between you so he/she doesn't have room to use it. Then take him/her to the ground, put them on thier back, and then once you have control, then you can take the knife away, or Run!(I voting running).
Your Uke or training partner tried to go for your wrist, which they may teach in Aikido and other eastern self-defense styles, but you were using real Grappling or Wrestling techniques, ones that have been proven to work by many different people. Maybe you didnt know those moves are taught or you had bad instructors(I make no assumptions) but nothing you've done was unknown to BJJ. Only the submitting aspect of BJJ and Grappling is not recommended in street fighting or self-defense, what some call pain compliance, depending on were you go. Once you get the chance to run, RUN! Don't waste it!
scary stuff
Agreed!
This is a fantastic video. However, the take away seems a tad misleading. Yes, trying to immediately submit someone with a knife is foolish. You have to control the knife, and dominate positionally before anything else can happen. But position before submission is the mantra of BJJ, and you were using basic grappling skills to close the distance, control the knife, and dominate positionally. Everything you did was BJJ!
I agree without going for the submission or take down. But that's where your BJJ does come in and work.
run or hit more realistic
Who came here because of notification?
I did! lol
Nick Drossos hhhhh.
So the answer is no.
now let him strike
Knife wins every time
Hahaha that dude may be the worst Bjj practitioner I’ve ever seen. Andy blue belt in my academy would have kimura trap your arm from the beginning witch is what you unsuccessfully tried to do.
This guy will get you killed , if they have a knife run. You will die
Hi Nick! In my opinion, this is unrealistic! I have seen, many lot people, in similar situation, killed or wonds by knife! Yours faithfully!
No.
No matter what you ARE getting cut a d cut a lot.
For sure, not an easy one.
Nice !
ps.
that looked like fun. can I play ? :)
Get some friends together and try it
That's patty cakes with a rubber knife. How quaint. Not even real attacks to even fight.
And yet all of those "pattie cakes" leave gaping holes in your flesh. It really does not take much. This is not an area where you prove it for real. Rubber knife is equivalent to boxing gloves in this case.
and what are his mates doing at this point ,just standing around watching lol no they'd be kicking your head in ,,nup never go to the ground or you'll end up dead !
This is simply horrible. The attacker is not really trying to stab or slice. The hand and wrist would certainly get cut trying to grab the striking hand like that. Taking someone to the ground if there are multiple attackers is suicidal. When faced with a knife move away. Don't engage. Make them come for you. And God train something more effective than this for knife defense. Aikido is excellent for knife defense. Just about anything would be better than what is on this video.
Although I would never grapple with a knife attacker, I have so many problems with this video. this guy is not a fighter. he probably train in a gi and hasn't looked at self defense in his life. he clearly can't wrestle and looks like he doesn't want to fight. a self defense oriented Jiu Jitsu person would understand self defense and distance management enough NOT TO ENGAGE in grappling with a knife fighter. I would be throwing kicks. This BJJ dudes stance when you guys stand up is also clearly not one you would use for any self defense situation - much less this one.
You throw a kick you most likely get stabbed in the leg, get your head out of your ass. You would do this, you would do that, everyone has a plan, till they get punched in the mouth. Listen to Tyson. Nothing goes like it does in your stupid ass head.
@@jamesellis33 I faced knifes attackers in the army twice and a maigeri kick straight to the attacker was very affective. If your technic is good and you have space and your attacker is not a pro stabber it is effective to use kicks. Grabbing or blocking the knife is difficult if the attacker is fast.
This seems silly.
I'm honestly surprised that more Jiu Jitsu practitioners haven't been killed or seriously injured by knives. Hell there was even a BJJ black belt who was shot not too long ago. He tried to take him down in a road rage and couldn't control the gun. I loved how Jiu Jitdu got started but now it's simply creating over confident bullies who have as much of a false sense of security as TMA. That is why there is no one great style of martial arts, only great combinations of martial arts. That's why if I were younger and had the resources I'd open my own martial art gym with Jiu Jitsu that has rolls and uses striking during rolling. Have the proper equipment for protection. Incorporate KFM and Kesyi Fighting Method all together for striking. Along with simple dirty boxing.
your partner is exhibiting zero aggression or mobility in his knife attack, i'm a little disappointed.
Thanks for watching
sorry, but in real. you will die .
they will not only stab you but they will cut your hand and not be as slow as your friend. At 0:56 he COULD CUT YOUR HAND.
DAM YOU REALLY PUT BJJ TO A REAL TEST.....FAIL
Thanks for watching
Then go put it to a test, it's easier than taking shit. Amigo!
Cesar Reyes Will Krav Maga pass ?
bjj is not for multiple opponents and definitely not against edged weapons
Thanks for watching!
long story short, no
You're not cutting somebody with a small knife and flicking wrist cuts. Damaging someone with a knife requries a commitment to the strike which changes the dynamic entirely.
And you say that grappling against a knife is ineffective but trapping the knife hand and controlling their arms and body that's all grappling.
I'd like to see a test like this but against Judo. I wonder if the emphasis on throws and speed as opposed to a slower grinding fight would translate well to knife defense
Trapping is mobilizing the weapon hand with no intent of going to the ground for a submission or lock but striking fast, and grappling is the complete opposite.
***** Nick. Could you do a video explaining the basic differences between trapping and grappling?
Flicking the knife around the wrist is what in Filipino Martial Arts called "palassut" (sorry I might write it completely wrong cause I don't know Filipinos) ... is a nasty cut and cause of the diagonally cut it is extremely dangerous.
You don' t know shit about knife fighting, what the fuck are you talking about? lol I doesn't take much to cut people with a knife. Get your fucking head out of your ass.