Jocko's logic of being able to run away and not fight being preferable to succumbing to ego and pride speaks to the man's intelligence and integrity. Love his mentality!
@@BWater-yq3jx Dude how explicit does he have to be? He has said it in MULTIPLE videos. First thing he would go in a situation where someone is threatening him? Get out of the situation. All these small ego dudes in the comments being like, "oh yeah well in real life, Jocko would never run away." I don't know how many times y'all have to hear it from the horses mouth - yes he fucking would. If you have the opportunity not to fight, then don't fight. He is a big enough man to know that running away and avoiding a stupid street fight doesn't make you less of a man, less of a badass, etc. And you can bet that if he were in a situation where he couldn't get away, then he would handle his fucking business, but why would he if he didn't have to. There's 0 reason to ever fight someone unless you have no other alternative.
Being a wrestler who has been in street fights... I learned the hard way, shot a double on Pavement and fucked my own knees up pretty bad. I got the takedown and beat his ass but still felt it for weeks. Being a grappler in a street fight is just dumb. All fights since that I've use trips where I dont even touch the ground and boxing.
@@justinmcmanus9152 hes talking about some wanna be UFC champion asking jocko to throw hands. It'll be different when he and/or his family is being attacked/disrespected. He's a seal, his literal job was to protect the country and its citizens.
As a kid, my dad was pushing me to go to practice judo, and after a few years a year of jujitsu. It was kinda playful at the age of 7 to 12, but, i recently fell from the top of the stairs in my house, and knew how to roll to minimize the impact. Why? Because all we learned as kids in judo, was to fall safely. It was in my system. so no injuries at all. I still thank him every day for letting me take those classes man.
I know you probably said this askind of a joke, but it's honestly 100% true. If you beat someone down, even in the case of it being justified, you open yourself up to a whole world of problems, from injury to serious legal liability - yes, even if your use of self defense is justified. If you are a CCW holder and carry, you know that if you ever have to use your firearm in self-defense, you WILL spend the next period of your life in court. You will be prosecuted. You might be sued by the victim or their family. And it's the same if you are in a fight without weapons. Right or wrong, you do not want to be in that position. Not fighting should ALWAYS be your first option. Even if you know for a fact you can beat the other person down, and frankly, especially if you know you can beat them down.
@@andrewpeterson5882 Also if I am not mistaken, highly-trained military personnel can be tried with having using a deadly weapon. Their bodies are honed weapons.
I always see guys like him saying they'd run away but I really doubt they'd do it. Having years of fighting and being muscular as he is, he'd go fighting without even thinking avout it.
@@Yellow.1844 it depends on the situation. Hard2Hurt made a video about this topic. If the attacker chases you, you are even more vulnerable after/during running away. And if they catch up to you, you're *ucked
One thing I've learned from my practicing martial arts, is that on the street you will pretty much never see is two trained fighters going at it. It just doesn't happen. They both recognize and understand the harsh brutal reality of a fight. All it takes is one punch, the guy falls to the ground and splits his head open on the concrete. Because before a fight even breaks out between the two, they're using all of their de-escalation tactics. Now of course does it happen? Yes. But every fighter knows, the best solution to a conflict, is peace.
thats why i dont get why people love BJJ for street fights. if im out on the street, chances of fighting a guy who is by himself are low i dont want to be grappling some guy on concrete while his friends can just walk over and stomp my head in
@@BillyBobThorton777 I see your point and agree somewhat, but keep in mind that just because grappling isn't good against multiple attackers, doesn't meen striking is any better. If there are his friends its basically the same result. The only way youre beating multiple attackers is with weapons, and that's illegal so... moral of the story is you are fucked, the best you can do is break their grips and run away, you don't need to necessarily submit him, just recover posture and run
@@kingartifex actually thats not all the way true bro and the internet has fast proof of that. ive seen several instances IRL where somebody knocks out 2 or 3 dudes in a group thats attacking him. and this is UNTRAINED street fights. You got videos of people getting put on gangs, and KO'ing several people during their put on. mind you these are just untrained people But i do agree its best to just walk away because with so much going on, you never fully know if somebody might have a gun, knife, etc. not worth losing life over it
Honestly, Muay Thai has a ton of applicability to self defense, I'd say as much as BJJ. The clinch work actually makes you a good wrestler and you can dump an opponent without you going down yourself, and most thugs cannot wrestle. The teep is the greatest defensive tool there is starting on the outside, and you get good guards to protect your head. Not to mention leg kicks which will end it without killing someone the way a head strike can. Muay Thai + BJJ is god-tier self defense.
@@patrickrichard5948 Only thing I don't like in wrestling is shooting. I have a preference for not putting my head at the opponent like that. Not saying it's bad, just what I didn't like personally. What about you?
@@skyereave9454 I know you're not replying to me but, me too!, I worry about shooting for a takedown and ending up in a guillotine choke because that's what i'd i probably try to do if someone shot in and tried to take me down if I wasn't fast enough to sprawl. Also on the street I don't want to go to the ground if I can help it, It's ok one on one if there's no other people around but chances are the guys buddies are gonna start booting your head if you're on somebody full mount.
As someone who has dabbled in Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu for around a year and a half I can tell you that I understand what Joe and Jocko are saying infinitely more than I did when I had never tried martial arts. Your perception on many things change when you train in martial arts, especially when you're sparring hard for multiple rounds.
I love Jocko's take on fighting. A good Navy SEAL is realistic, honest, & practical. Zero ego involved. It is obvious in conversations like this why Jocko is such a great leader.
Jocko basically stated what I've learned after years of studying multiple martial arts: your best defense is to run away and know enough to get away from someone who grabs you. There are soooo many reasons to avoid a fight, from criminal and civil legal issues to exposure to disease to not knowing if the person has weapons or friends. Just run away. Jocko also makes a great point about how you carry yourself impacting fights not gravitating to you. Wish that more places taught this explicitly, as well as situational awareness and navigating sketchy situations.
You can’t just walk away when being robbed, or assaulted, or when you see a friend or family member getting attacked. You need to stand your ground, and that’s what we train for, the situations where you can’t run
@@2kmichaeljordan438 I agree. We must always train for when it's not possible to run away. It's also super smart to not take on the risks of standing your ground if the situation doesn't truly require doing so.
The rules of stupid will keep you out of nearly every violent situation. “Don’t do stupid things with stupid people, in stupid places, at stupid times.” Stupid translating roughly to "predictably dangerous or chaotic"
@@2kmichaeljordan438 Those aren't the situations they're talking about. They're saying don't fight people when you don't have to. Like if you bump shoulders with somebody in a bar or stupid shit like that. Obviously there's situations where not fighting isn't an option.
@@2kmichaeljordan438 Yeah but not really. In reality most martial arts classes train for a fight situation and do not train any sort of flight skills. Consequently about 99% of the "situations" I've known martial arts practitioners to have gotten in to were entirely avoidable. Also if people worked on their awareness and deescalstion skills they would be a lot less likely to get mugged or assaulted. I know that's not PC but it's true. Plus physical muggings are becoming a thing of the past. It's much easier and more common to steal digital data these days so criminals have been rapidly moving to that over the last decade and crime stats in most places show declines in many physical robberies. Life isn't some B list action movie where a bunch of sleazy scumbags magically appear as you are walking out of the opera one night because your whiny kid got freaked out by some campy costumes on stage.
They’re talking about two guys fighting. Or, dueling. And why you shouldn’t do that. That’s sound advice. But, I was a bouncer for five years in my 20s and college days. I got to see lots of fights. I never saw anyone over the age of 18 honor fight where alcohol wasn’t involved. Grown men don’t “fight.” What happens to most adults is they get assaulted by some other dill weed that is drunk, high, crazy, or out to rob/hurt them. Then the walking away option is not available. That’s what you need to train for. Not honor fights. You’ve out grown those. But, you can be jumped at anytime, usually when you least expect it and are least prepared. That’s probably what grown men should be training for.
i like this comment, very insightful. But how can you train for it though? My background is boxing and more recently BJJ, Im aware that street fights are nasty, and ive kinda promised myself that should i be forced to fight some scumbag on the street that i wont hold back anything. But i dont know how to train for that atm. I can only really be training my punches and sprawls
@@airpods4 Is your wife/gf going to learn how to flip over railings and cars too? Because if not, you'd better learn what to do when you can't run away.
Umar Ganai You have to keep doing all that. That’s the physical tool development. Lots of sparring and rolling gets you tough, endurance, and able to deliver your techniques under duress. In my youth we did all this, and competed in boxing, kickboxing, and a little of the old NHB. But, I was still scared of street fights because as Dempsey said it has the things the ring doesn’t; Fear, anger, or hatred. And you never knew what the other guy knew, or was capable of, or what his friends were capable of. I eventually took a job with a guy I trained FMA with at the time, as a bouncer at a country and western club. For “lab time” as he called it. We fought a couple of times a night three nights a week for the next year. It eventually got to where I didn’t get amped up at all. All the physical training paid off but it was never like the ring. Much more about tactics than techniques, and gross motor. Big blows and big throws. And chokes. Trickery and Directness. That’s a hard environment to mimic in the gym, and I would lose that desensitized calm if I was away for a while. Now as an old man I still espouse the ring training for physicality, but try to use scenario training to work tactics, mindset and adrenaline management. Kelly McCann and Lee Morrison have very good drills for this. You can find them on here. Hope that helps.
After training Muay Thai for a while and watching Jorge Masvidal's flying knee obsessively I get a crippling sense of horror imagining myself double leg takedowning someone
@@ronthemogul I know man. I've never trained wrestling, just beating down my bros fooling around. I know a wrestler would not leave you enough time to knee him in the face but still
Bro I been grappling for the last 5 years and I was super confident in any fight I’d get in. After Masvidal sent askren flying I started obsessively training striking cuz I was always scared to close the distance.
Jocko Willinks is a BEASTTTT the man is extremely balanced and absolutely lethal at the same time!! The whole running away thing is serious great advice and swallowing that ego to live another day is the most level-headed advice ever in all of the self-defense (of course we should always learn to defend ourselves as well).
My first Sifu always told everyone that the best way to get out of a fight is to get leave the confrontation by any means necessary and that a physical confrontation was always the last resort. Every instructor I've had between then and my current BJJ instructor has said the same thing. All that said, know how to strike and how to grapple if you want to be prepared. I'd rather have good defense going into a striking confrontation and drag the other guy to the ground than to need to fight on my feet.
@@habekeinen3437 BJJ is a sport with rules so it's not great for actual self-defense. I'd definitely go with combat Jiu Jitsu for physical confrontations, which is nothing more than BJJ taken to it's natural brutal end.
I remember in basic training when they taught us fighting. The DS said, "Remember, we are teaching you enough to get your ass kicked. Don't go to the bar now thinking you can take on everyone, because you can't. This is just exposure."
Sound advice. When I was a white belt I tapped the guy that taught self defense in basic training at Camp Atterbury all the time. He was in my bjj classes. I could have beat his ass for sure with 4 years of high school wrestling. He definitely taught self defense to national guard lol. Great guy.
Not to mention it could happen to you. Not even a punch if you step wrong, slip and land back of the head to concrete that can kill you. That's the reason why if you see me in a fight that's because I'm being attacked and couldn't run it should be your last resort
@Stuart Shipp I had a friend back in high school and he kicked a guy who was full mount on his brother and killed him. That one kick still has him in jail today.
I remember a guy I played rugby with who was a golden gloves champion (who we thought was an awesome boxer) was sparring Lovemore N’dou (Who went the distance with Canelo and Kell brook). Lovemore made him look like he’d never thrown a punch his whole life. Was so eye opening ... back then I realised that there are literally “Levels”.
These guys are dead on. Jock Willink is awesome!! I did exactly what he is talking about. Learnt jiu jitsu and then boxing. Given I got knocked out cold in boxing but then I learnt to take hits to my head and my jiu jitsu helped because I wasn’t afraid to get real close in boxing and use hooks and uppercuts. After listening to Jocko and experienced fights myself I bought his book. Best investment I have ever made ... extreme ownership. I am myself a navy brat and this book was brilliant.
talking about wrestlers dominating if they get a hold of you. when i was younger we had a 3x Minnesota State Champion on our team, he couldnt have weighed over 130 soaking wet. Big offensive lineman from another school comes up talking shit for no reason at a party. Wrestler tells him he doesnt want to fight him and to please stop. Lineman keeps poking and prodding. Lineman swings and lands a weak headshot. Wrestler double leg takedowns the guy and slams him on the concrete in the garage. Blood is coming out the back of his head. Wrestler mounts on top of him and lands about 8 forearm/elbows and busts this whole guys face up. They need 3 guys to carry this 250lb dude out of that party and from that point forward you realized you better drop a wrestler before he gets a hold of you cuz damage will be done
I've been boxing for 6 years. Started Jiu Jitsu 9 months ago....It's unreal how utterly helpess I still am vs. solid grapplers (In MN too BTW! Come try a class if interested!)
Joe Rogan, the main reason that I love listening to your shows is because of the way you get all of the guests to discuss with such care that you can just close your eyes and see what is being described in your head. You get your guest to provide information so clearly it really puts your show at the TOP! Joe you were made to do this program. Keep it up Brother!!!
Joe had a great point when he mentioned that jiu jitsu goes full out 100% resistance bc when you train with that you learn to expect and you learn to counter and you learn to do the moves in them with resistance
My very first Karate instructor (a biker dude who was a real badass) said that the goal of self defense and hand to hand combat was not “kicking someone’s ass”. But rather removing yourself from a very dangerous situation and getting back to a safe place.
the thing with grappling in street fights is its only good for one opponent at a time, as a former security/bouncer I found best combo for street fighting is boxing and Judo hip throws
Yup boxing Judo and Sambo which is basically Judo heavy mma. The ideal way to quickly end a fight is to throw someone on the ground on their back with enough force to incapacitate them without them hitting their head while remaining on your feet and that is the main goal in Sambo. Too bad Sambo gyms are rare in America. Boxing is great for not only for learning punches but maintaining distance, dodging and blocking strikes.
One of my old high school buddies got into a random shit-talk turned dust-up in a parking lot of a pool hall. Other guy threw the first punch, knocked him down and the way his head hit the ground killed him. Dude got manslaughter charges over some stupid shit, and my buddy lost his life. Fighting outside a professional setting is SO stupid unless you seriously have no choice.
@@seer775 That would have ended the described fight above with the exact same result, only the manslaughter charge would have been murder. So nope--that wouldn't have fixed the problem. It would have made it even worse.
@@antoniososa1964 And if it doesn’t deter your attacker, you’re either ending up in prison or a casket. At minimum, you’re definitely going to jail for drawing a gun on someone in a fist fight. And you’ll be in court trying to defend it in an age of surveillance. Good luck with that. Here’s how drawing a gun in this scenario goes if the attacker doesn’t back down though: 1. He also draws a gun. Now you just started a firefight, and both of you are ending up in prison or in caskets. 2. He doesn’t back down. Now you either have to shoot him, or concede that he called your bluff by drawing your firearm and risk him now taking your gun away and shooting you with it. Either way, it ends with you either in prison for drawing and shooting an unarmed person, or dead for drawing without intending to pull the trigger and losing control of the weapon to someone now fighting for their life. You never draw a gun to deter an attacker. If you draw a gun on an attacker it's because you're intending to pull the trigger to save your life, or someone else’s life, and it’s your last resort. Draw a gun in a fist fight and you’re ending up in jail, in a prison, or a casket. Learn jiu jitsu.
Learning to box, or any striking in general is always best to start when you’re young. There’s a certain fluidity that a fighter gets when they’ve been training since a they were kids. Heavy sparring for kids is unnecessary.
my first BJJ coach taught me the same thing. First option and smartest is always to just run. we aren't getting paid to fight on the street, and more often than not, its just really going to cost you.
this video got me to book my first jui jitsu class! im starting in 2 days. i didnt know if i wanted to learn striking or grappling first . joe and jocko helped me make tht decision and i was gonna do striking first
I agree... I personally think that wrestling is a great base and to start with that. Having wrestling experience will also help when you start to learn BJJ.
Jocko's point is key in self-defense -- the first rule is to be situationally aware at all times -- i.e., try not to put yourself in compromised positions. Him and Joe touch on another good point about self-preservation -- you have a lot more to lose often times than to gain in a fight, even if you're a trained martial artist. I always remember what GSP says: there's a difference between TECHNICALITY (e.g., how to punch, kick, block, grapple, etc.) vs. TACTICALITY (knowing what to do instantly/instinctually in each situation -- e.g., BJJ won't do shit if you're fighting 2+ guys...)...
What people don't seem to understand about the running away thing is this: Most people run away to save themselves. Jocko runs away to protect the opponent. Most trained fighters would rather run away than seriously endanger someone's well being on the street.
Thank you for the excellent content. Street fights are often not one on one but one against many opponents. Fighting on the ground is not advisable with multiple opponents
You don't have to be anything though. Awareness, avoidance, de-esclation, good flight skills, and not being an a$$hat will keep you out of trouble almost always. You all realise 99.99999% of the population in the Western world goes through their entire life without being in a "street fight", right? To quote Marc MacYoung: "If you've gotten yourself in to a street fight, you've got to be somewhat of an a$$hole".
If you grab a dude in a solid hold around his neck while standing theres not a lot he can do unless hes a trained fighter, theres more to grappling than going straight to ground
@mma 209 yea but u can still run away if there is more then 1 attacker on the feet if it does to the ground u are stuck there peopole normally just hold on to u when taken down
@ricky gore Dude grow up. If you are getting sucked in to fighting on the street, that's a choice. It's a fucking dumb choice. It's poor decision making and bad life choices. You are an asshole if you get in to a street fight or start a street fight. He's totally right about that and obviously the guy wouldn't get his head stomped in because like any of the rest of us, he wouldn't be there in the first place. Street fights are not "self defence". They are two or more idiots letting their ego/alcohol/drugs or whatever other shitty choices they have made provoke anti-social behaviour. Spew all the pseudo-alpha macho BS you want, but people in Street fights are low brow idiots engaging in avoidable, unnecessary behaviour because of their stupidity or lack of control. All your point proves is there are millions of idiots in the world. No shit.
I’ve been doing Krav Maga for about 13 months now and while I know how to defend myself, I’d like to learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu at some point in the future. Having a great mix of striking and grappling in your arsenal makes you a lot better at self defence
Dude I seriously love joe so god damn much. I just had a situation where some crazy guy opened my door at the gas station and I got out and was just about to knock him with my hand I’ve broken 4 times and I swallowed my ego and left. I was questioning if I did the right thing and because of what he said I know I did. THANK YOU JOE
Practically all fights start standing, you can’t always walk or run away, quite often they can start unexpectedly at close quarters with a cheap shot and occasionally there is more than one opponent. For all of these situations the best solution is boxing 🥊 🥊 . As for grappling on the street, wrestling can be super effective.
Joe: “Getting slammed on the concrete is basically getting hit in the head with the world.” Eddie: “Yeah, totally, and that’s the largest flat surface in the universe.”
Absolutely. Teaching kids self defense, discipline and respect. It was always to cool to get to class early to watch the younger kids or teens roll. PARENTS- This a vital tool in so many aspects of life that you can make available to your kids. BJJ, wrestling or judo.
Both my son and Ii take tang soo do and Gracie jiu jitsu. Both provided distinct skill sets and it is a great bonding experience that we have. I encourage all parents to do BJJ and martial arts with their kids
For me, I would learn boxing first. Learning to avoid, or at least minimize, the effect of a first punch is the first thing to do. Basically, some ape will come up and throw a punch at you. The head movement alone that I learned in boxing has saved my ass more than once - and I'm no pro. It helps you to survive the initial attack. If someone lands the first punch then even your bjj will be much less effective. You got to learn to survive an initial unprovoked surprise attack. Learn head movement and get used to getting punched in the ring.
My BJJ coach says the same stuff. bJJ just gives you options. If you don't know how to fight.....then your only option is to be at someone else's mercy. For the first time in my life I am confident enough to protect myself, but I would be even less likely to fight than when I was in my 20's because I don't need to show off to protect my fragile ego AND I know I can get hurt even in the best scenarios.
If its a one on one fight then yes JJ and wrestling is great in a street fight but most times its a brawl or its two Against one and thats when you can get kicked in the head. You definitely do not want to go to the floor if fighting more then one guy.
So is BJJ alone enough for self-defense? I wanna learn to fight (in fact I had my first BJJ class today) but I want to avoid brain damage at all costs. I read that even light, but frequent strikes to the head (from light sparring) can cause long-term brain damage.
Fuck no bud. BJJ is fantastic for self defense supplementation. But learning how to box, wrestle and most importantly peaceful resolution are important for self defense. BJJ is only useful on the ground. As Joe said in the video, every fight starts standing up. Learning how to strike and do violent takedowns will get you there. Hope this helps
And don’t sweat the head trauma in training. Rarely will you get hit hard enough to cause concussions in a training environment. I’m no stranger to head injuries and yet I never received one while in training for boxing.
No martial art on its own is "enough" in my opinion. Truthfully BJJ has many great skills but I suggest you do something like Krav Maga or just flat MMA if you want to learn for defense purposes. I train in both Krav Maga, Kickboxing, Wrestling (and a bit of BJJ) and being well rounded in fighting is the best defense. In my experience, Krav Maga (depending on your trainer ofc) can be the most diverse training style, and can set you up good if you want to move onto another style down the road.
I'm just picturing Jocko and Joe walking down the back alley and a 12 year old kid starts talking trash to them and they look at each other and take off like Forest Gump 😂😂😂
A quick word on fighting from the clinch, in a street fight. Work as fast as you can to drop them to the floor. Those punches to landing to your body, which you can't see but can still feel, could easily be a knife stabbing into you, and you might not know what's happening until after you've gone into shock and have started to pass out.
I worked loss prevention for a huge company for ten years and was in over 500 physical altercations and I'm a stand up striker but out of those 500 or so 499 went to the ground in real world it's what happens.
The best self defense is dealing with one’s own insecurities. Insecure people are more willing to fight because they are curious to discover if what they hope about themselves is true. An effective martial artist, you are confident and secure in your skills, no need for confirmation, you just know. That security gives you the confidence to talk to people in a calm and non confrontational way which really disarms would be aggressors who expect escalation.
This guy is the definition of a gentle giant. He seems so modest and cool and collected. I've never heard of him or seen him fight but im good at sizing up my opponents and I can fight! But this guy is something else i can just sense it. dude i wouldnt fuck with this guy under any circumstance.
I feel like judo should of been included into this podcast, very hand skill to know along with the others, to have the ability to to throw your opponent around like a rag doll is right up there with wrestling. Just my opinion, love these two guys they are amazing and I'm sure they would agree I think it just got missed.
When a competitor steps into the cage, with a referee, gloves, and a rule based environment, they still always run the risk of death or grave injury. Out in the streets, literally anything can happen. One of you could die, go to prison, get sued, one of you could hit your head on the concrete and go brain dead or paraplegic. Especially as men we are hardwired to feel that backing or running away from a fight is the same or even worse than getting beat down. In reality unless you are saving yourself or someone else from imminent danger with violence, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain except a cheap, worthless boost to your ego.
Totally agree with this, I also think the best way to introduce young kids to martial arts (functional) is through BJJ. I mean, the thing with kids is, the only way they will get engaged in an activity is either because they have fun with it, or because they have a natural talent for it that makes them shine above their peers; AND, not have negative experiences in it (like getting hurt, frustration, stress, etc.). If these conditions are not met, chances are that child is gonna drop said activity and end up hating it, children (at least most of them) simply don't have the maturity, the grit, the will power to keep practicing a skill because it's "good for them". And sadly, real martial arts with practical applications, with pressure testing, are environments in which you're likely to get hurt, frustrated, stressed and humbled on a regular basis, specially the striking arts. The first moment your child gets punched or kicked in a spar, it's probably game over, he(she) is unlikely to want to go back and get on that horse again, and if you force them you'll only make it worse since they'll end up hating the activity. And on the other hand, if to take your kids to a "softer" striking martial arts gym without sparring, they will not learn practical skills; dojos/gyms that do this are generally just glorified day cares. That's why I believe grappling martial arts are better for children to learn, they can spar with much more intensity without the fear of getting hurt for the most part. And among those, BJJ is certainly the safest; Judo and Wrestling you can still get hurt or concussed in a bad take down/throw. All in all, I would bring my child to BJJ as an iniciation, and once he/she reaches enough mental toughness or maturity (circa 15-20 years) take them to learn striking.
I dig jockos outlook on this topic but 55% of attacks now a days are more than one attacker which is hard to grapple two guys at once or run from two. Would like to hear his comment on this.
This is so true! I get BJJ guys telling me they can submit good strikers off the ground.. If you lay on the ground in a street fight hoping for a submission you will get your head kicked in.
Imagine how the attacker would feel when Jocko runs away.
He'd feel like a God
underrated commney
@W. George lol I know right? I get it that he wants to emphasize that advice to people as its a good advice...but cmon
I'm thinking the guy who wants to fight him in the first place has some serious mental issues 😂😂😂
The would feel enough confidence to get murdered by the next less enlightened guy they try it on.
"We learn how to fight so that we don't have to."
-Master Roshi
Wait. DBZ?
@@kylespecter6580 Yessir
EXACTLY.
Goku said "screw that!" cuz he actually goes out and LOOKS for strong people to fight lol
That is the greatest, and truest, wisdom that ever could be spoken. Or in this case, written.
Jocko's logic of being able to run away and not fight being preferable to succumbing to ego and pride speaks to the man's intelligence and integrity. Love his mentality!
I guarantee you he's not running away from anyone.
@@BWater-yq3jx his words, brother, not mine :) He is a Patriot and a champion as well as a motivational speaker and leader.
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I know. When he said it, it struck me as unlikely... for him.
More of a concept than a reality.
@@BWater-yq3jx Dude how explicit does he have to be? He has said it in MULTIPLE videos. First thing he would go in a situation where someone is threatening him? Get out of the situation. All these small ego dudes in the comments being like, "oh yeah well in real life, Jocko would never run away." I don't know how many times y'all have to hear it from the horses mouth - yes he fucking would. If you have the opportunity not to fight, then don't fight. He is a big enough man to know that running away and avoiding a stupid street fight doesn't make you less of a man, less of a badass, etc. And you can bet that if he were in a situation where he couldn't get away, then he would handle his fucking business, but why would he if he didn't have to. There's 0 reason to ever fight someone unless you have no other alternative.
Well, the man was in the army. I'm not expecting him to be a genius, nor is anybody.
Jogan: “I advise clinch and trip”
Jocko: “I advice get out of there”
Jogan: “Yeah get out of there”
we know what Joe would do. roundhouse kick them into the next century.
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Being a wrestler who has been in street fights... I learned the hard way, shot a double on Pavement and fucked my own knees up pretty bad. I got the takedown and beat his ass but still felt it for weeks.
Being a grappler in a street fight is just dumb. All fights since that I've use trips where I dont even touch the ground and boxing.
Joe would make their major organs into jelly with his spinning side kick. That shit can kill a man
@@Shlogger 😂😂😂
best defense in street fight is to start coughing
Hahaha lolz the Covid attack!
A cough is like a gunshot nowadays
Won't work against Antifa.
Eazy B only cause they’re retarded.
@@eazyb7974 that's ok, because they can't handle the heat of the moment.
When a former seal team member's first thought is to run away, you know that it's dumb to do bar/street fights.
Very dumb, you don't know who has a gun/knife. Having been in war zones, Jocko knows there is no such thing as a small enemy.
that means any body can make you run away if they wish to ?
@@mounir9899 Yes and no. This is exactly why gun rights need to be protected. Because some places, the fight ends. Some places, are sacred.
Hes only talking in general. A Seal does not run away.
@@justinmcmanus9152 hes talking about some wanna be UFC champion asking jocko to throw hands. It'll be different when he and/or his family is being attacked/disrespected. He's a seal, his literal job was to protect the country and its citizens.
As a kid, my dad was pushing me to go to practice judo, and after a few years a year of jujitsu. It was kinda playful at the age of 7 to 12, but, i recently fell from the top of the stairs in my house, and knew how to roll to minimize the impact. Why? Because all we learned as kids in judo, was to fall safely. It was in my system. so no injuries at all. I still thank him every day for letting me take those classes man.
Can you link a video of how to do this?
@@samdis1890 I do not have a direct link, but if you search for a shoulder roll, i think you get some examples. Cheers
@@samdis1890 additionally you can learn PARKOUR!
If you’re dropping from heights then you definitely have to use the shoulder roll
Also the judo word for falling safely is ukemi I believe
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When Jocko runs away in a fight, it's not cowardice... it's his good graces that he let you have a 2nd chance in life...
I know you probably said this askind of a joke, but it's honestly 100% true. If you beat someone down, even in the case of it being justified, you open yourself up to a whole world of problems, from injury to serious legal liability - yes, even if your use of self defense is justified. If you are a CCW holder and carry, you know that if you ever have to use your firearm in self-defense, you WILL spend the next period of your life in court. You will be prosecuted. You might be sued by the victim or their family. And it's the same if you are in a fight without weapons. Right or wrong, you do not want to be in that position. Not fighting should ALWAYS be your first option. Even if you know for a fact you can beat the other person down, and frankly, especially if you know you can beat them down.
Can't argue with a professional. So if he runs I doubletime it Heavy on the Gas lol😁
@@andrewpeterson5882 Also if I am not mistaken, highly-trained military personnel can be tried with having using a deadly weapon. Their bodies are honed weapons.
Running as a form of self defense works great until you find that your significant other can't run as quickly as you.
Distraction
@@jordandesmond5742 hahahhaa
until until...
jordan desmond u don’t have to be faster than the bear but just be faster than the person running away with you
that's even better self defence. It's just not very good defence of them.
If I ever meet Jocko, I will square up to fight him, just to see if he runs away. Will be wearing a helmet.
I always see guys like him saying they'd run away but I really doubt they'd do it. Having years of fighting and being muscular as he is, he'd go fighting without even thinking avout it.
I don't think he would take a backward step, but would give you every opportunity to walk away.
He's just saying that as an advice for the public, unless you're a navy seal or some wordclass fighter you should run away
@@Yellow.1844 it depends on the situation. Hard2Hurt made a video about this topic. If the attacker chases you, you are even more vulnerable after/during running away. And if they catch up to you, you're *ucked
You won’t I met him and he’s super nice but terrifying he’s super intimidating
I love Jocko man, he has nothing to prove to anyone. Proof that self confidence does not have to be synonymous with an inflated ego.
One thing I've learned from my practicing martial arts, is that on the street you will pretty much never see is two trained fighters going at it. It just doesn't happen. They both recognize and understand the harsh brutal reality of a fight. All it takes is one punch, the guy falls to the ground and splits his head open on the concrete. Because before a fight even breaks out between the two, they're using all of their de-escalation tactics. Now of course does it happen? Yes. But every fighter knows, the best solution to a conflict, is peace.
Jorge masvidal and Colby Covington
thats why i dont get why people love BJJ for street fights. if im out on the street, chances of fighting a guy who is by himself are low
i dont want to be grappling some guy on concrete while his friends can just walk over and stomp my head in
@@BillyBobThorton777 I see your point and agree somewhat, but keep in mind that just because grappling isn't good against multiple attackers, doesn't meen striking is any better. If there are his friends its basically the same result. The only way youre beating multiple attackers is with weapons, and that's illegal so... moral of the story is you are fucked, the best you can do is break their grips and run away, you don't need to necessarily submit him, just recover posture and run
@@kingartifex actually thats not all the way true bro and the internet has fast proof of that. ive seen several instances IRL where somebody knocks out 2 or 3 dudes in a group thats attacking him. and this is UNTRAINED street fights. You got videos of people getting put on gangs, and KO'ing several people during their put on. mind you these are just untrained people
But i do agree its best to just walk away because with so much going on, you never fully know if somebody might have a gun, knife, etc. not worth losing life over it
Silva and Sonnen. Flip-Flops and Jeans sir.
BJJ guys walking the streets like *I hope someone comes at me so I get to show off my mad triangle choke skills*
Wtf bro i see you everywhere lmao
And guy who knows boxing comes around and knocks them fuck out.
Dariusz C ooo
@The Shitstorm Starter Francis gets destroyed by grapplers...ask Stipe he took him down...Francis weakness is his grappling
Hope he has balls protection
"You're basically getting hit in the head by the world"
I feel like I've heard this before somewhere...
Then he raises his hand, presumably about to go deeper into the analogy lmao
Yeh, probs refering to Judo a bit more than Jiu jitsu there.
he’s gotta be Baked lol
Za waurdo!!!!
Honestly, Muay Thai has a ton of applicability to self defense, I'd say as much as BJJ. The clinch work actually makes you a good wrestler and you can dump an opponent without you going down yourself, and most thugs cannot wrestle. The teep is the greatest defensive tool there is starting on the outside, and you get good guards to protect your head. Not to mention leg kicks which will end it without killing someone the way a head strike can. Muay Thai + BJJ is god-tier self defense.
I plan on learning those two and if i wanna get fancy some judo for takedowns
Completely agree with you. Include a bit of wrestling and you have the holy trinity of fighting
@@patrickrichard5948 Only thing I don't like in wrestling is shooting. I have a preference for not putting my head at the opponent like that. Not saying it's bad, just what I didn't like personally. What about you?
@@skyereave9454 I know you're not replying to me but, me too!, I worry about shooting for a takedown and ending up in a guillotine choke because that's what i'd i probably try to do if someone shot in and tried to take me down if I wasn't fast enough to sprawl. Also on the street I don't want to go to the ground if I can help it, It's ok one on one if there's no other people around but chances are the guys buddies are gonna start booting your head if you're on somebody full mount.
Boxing too
Judo in the street. Grappling and submissions. So underrated
No comments in the Spotify era will suck 😔
The Joe Rogan clips will still be on TH-cam
Johnny Crustacean he said the clips will still be uploaded when he announced the deal, I doubt half the audience watches full episodes anyway.
@@benhatton3706 not for the new ones. On some upcoming date Joe said he's going 100% Spotify, which sucks.
There are going to be videos and live chat
Spotify is building a video application specifically for Joe, I'd be surprised if it didn't have a comment section built in.
The best way to win any fight is always give your opponent dmt then give them a rubix cube
I’ve already done that to like 30 guys at the same time * Napoleon Dynamite voice *
Mindblown
I have defeated in this manner.
LMFAO
😅😅😅😅😅😅
As someone who has dabbled in Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu for around a year and a half I can tell you that I understand what Joe and Jocko are saying infinitely more than I did when I had never tried martial arts. Your perception on many things change when you train in martial arts, especially when you're sparring hard for multiple rounds.
I love Jocko's take on fighting. A good Navy SEAL is realistic, honest, & practical. Zero ego involved. It is obvious in conversations like this why Jocko is such a great leader.
my cousin Donny was a green beret , he was a prop boxer and was recruited by the UFC was the same way
Jocko basically stated what I've learned after years of studying multiple martial arts: your best defense is to run away and know enough to get away from someone who grabs you. There are soooo many reasons to avoid a fight, from criminal and civil legal issues to exposure to disease to not knowing if the person has weapons or friends. Just run away. Jocko also makes a great point about how you carry yourself impacting fights not gravitating to you. Wish that more places taught this explicitly, as well as situational awareness and navigating sketchy situations.
You can’t just walk away when being robbed, or assaulted, or when you see a friend or family member getting attacked. You need to stand your ground, and that’s what we train for, the situations where you can’t run
@@2kmichaeljordan438 I agree. We must always train for when it's not possible to run away. It's also super smart to not take on the risks of standing your ground if the situation doesn't truly require doing so.
The rules of stupid will keep you out of nearly every violent situation. “Don’t do stupid things with stupid people, in stupid places, at stupid times.”
Stupid translating roughly to "predictably dangerous or chaotic"
@@2kmichaeljordan438 Those aren't the situations they're talking about. They're saying don't fight people when you don't have to. Like if you bump shoulders with somebody in a bar or stupid shit like that. Obviously there's situations where not fighting isn't an option.
@@2kmichaeljordan438 Yeah but not really. In reality most martial arts classes train for a fight situation and do not train any sort of flight skills.
Consequently about 99% of the "situations" I've known martial arts practitioners to have gotten in to were entirely avoidable.
Also if people worked on their awareness and deescalstion skills they would be a lot less likely to get mugged or assaulted. I know that's not PC but it's true. Plus physical muggings are becoming a thing of the past. It's much easier and more common to steal digital data these days so criminals have been rapidly moving to that over the last decade and crime stats in most places show declines in many physical robberies.
Life isn't some B list action movie where a bunch of sleazy scumbags magically appear as you are walking out of the opera one night because your whiny kid got freaked out by some campy costumes on stage.
They’re talking about two guys fighting. Or, dueling. And why you shouldn’t do that. That’s sound advice. But, I was a bouncer for five years in my 20s and college days. I got to see lots of fights. I never saw anyone over the age of 18 honor fight where alcohol wasn’t involved. Grown men don’t “fight.” What happens to most adults is they get assaulted by some other dill weed that is drunk, high, crazy, or out to rob/hurt them. Then the walking away option is not available. That’s what you need to train for. Not honor fights. You’ve out grown those. But, you can be jumped at anytime, usually when you least expect it and are least prepared. That’s probably what grown men should be training for.
i like this comment, very insightful. But how can you train for it though? My background is boxing and more recently BJJ, Im aware that street fights are nasty, and ive kinda promised myself that should i be forced to fight some scumbag on the street that i wont hold back anything. But i dont know how to train for that atm. I can only really be training my punches and sprawls
@@umarganai3492 learn parkour maybe? It is the art of escaping anyways.
@@airpods4 Is your wife/gf going to learn how to flip over railings and cars too? Because if not, you'd better learn what to do when you can't run away.
Umar Ganai You have to keep doing all that. That’s the physical tool development. Lots of sparring and rolling gets you tough, endurance, and able to deliver your techniques under duress. In my youth we did all this, and competed in boxing, kickboxing, and a little of the old NHB. But, I was still scared of street fights because as Dempsey said it has the things the ring doesn’t; Fear, anger, or hatred. And you never knew what the other guy knew, or was capable of, or what his friends were capable of. I eventually took a job with a guy I trained FMA with at the time, as a bouncer at a country and western club. For “lab time” as he called it. We fought a couple of times a night three nights a week for the next year. It eventually got to where I didn’t get amped up at all. All the physical training paid off but it was never like the ring. Much more about tactics than techniques, and gross motor. Big blows and big throws. And chokes. Trickery and Directness. That’s a hard environment to mimic in the gym, and I would lose that desensitized calm if I was away for a while. Now as an old man I still espouse the ring training for physicality, but try to use scenario training to work tactics, mindset and adrenaline management. Kelly McCann and Lee Morrison have very good drills for this. You can find them on here. Hope that helps.
I'm thinking of asking a few of my friends if they want to jump me every so often to prepare me for this
“Your basically getting hit in the head by the world” 😂😂😂 joe is to funny
joe is to funny as what is to what?
Real shit though that's what it feels Like
JIU-JITSU: THE ART OF FOLDING CLOTHS WITH PEOPLE STILL IN THEM.
Holy shyt. Funniest comment I've read in awhile lol
What the fuck how isn't this the top comment lmao
Old Chicago street fighter here, one of the best things I learned when I eventually studied martial arts....walk away!
Also my favorite song by The James Gang, ChicagoStrong✌🏼
@@rockguru14 my favorite James Gang tune is "Stoned Rapp", than "Walk Away" 😎
Sometimes you can't mate
Kevin Morley then you’ve gotta do what you gotta do bro
YOU REALIZE YOU DO NEED TO FIGHT OR HAVE TO.
THOSE WHO DONT KNOW HOW TO FEEL THEY MUST AND THOSE WHO KNOW HOW FEEL THEY DONT NEED TO
After training Muay Thai for a while and watching Jorge Masvidal's flying knee obsessively I get a crippling sense of horror imagining myself double leg takedowning someone
Ben telegraphed that shit a mile away lol
@@ronthemogul I know man. I've never trained wrestling, just beating down my bros fooling around. I know a wrestler would not leave you enough time to knee him in the face but still
Single legs, hip throws, trips and suplexs are good ways to get people down without leaving yourself as exposed.
Bro I been grappling for the last 5 years and I was super confident in any fight I’d get in. After Masvidal sent askren flying I started obsessively training striking cuz I was always scared to close the distance.
@@galacticmaui2 Askren went for a single on Masvidal
Jocko Willinks is a BEASTTTT the man is extremely balanced and absolutely lethal at the same time!! The whole running away thing is serious great advice and swallowing that ego to live another day is the most level-headed advice ever in all of the self-defense (of course we should always learn to defend ourselves as well).
My first Sifu always told everyone that the best way to get out of a fight is to get leave the confrontation by any means necessary and that a physical confrontation was always the last resort. Every instructor I've had between then and my current BJJ instructor has said the same thing. All that said, know how to strike and how to grapple if you want to be prepared. I'd rather have good defense going into a striking confrontation and drag the other guy to the ground than to need to fight on my feet.
That’s a good point. Clinch and trip, but mainly trip
so you recommend BJJ or Jiu Jitsu for that?
@@habekeinen3437 BJJ is a sport with rules so it's not great for actual self-defense. I'd definitely go with combat Jiu Jitsu for physical confrontations, which is nothing more than BJJ taken to it's natural brutal end.
You’re basically being hit in the head... *by the world*
Old Judo joke.
@ricardo blenman JOJO reference!!!
I’ve done it but u don’t remember much
It's entirely possible
Joes talking about someone getting suplexed on their head on concrete “You’re basically getting hit in the head by the world.” -> I’m dead
2:28
Great interview, love listening to them discuss this stuff.
Holy shit. First dialog I've seen with jocko. Way more thoughtful than I was expecting. 👍
I remember in basic training when they taught us fighting. The DS said, "Remember, we are teaching you enough to get your ass kicked. Don't go to the bar now thinking you can take on everyone, because you can't. This is just exposure."
Now that is worth remembering.
Tbh combatives are garbage until you get to level 4
@@bonpaoi4736 why
Sound advice. When I was a white belt I tapped the guy that taught self defense in basic training at Camp Atterbury all the time. He was in my bjj classes. I could have beat his ass for sure with 4 years of high school wrestling. He definitely taught self defense to national guard lol. Great guy.
We are teaching you enough to get your ass kicked.... Huh? Wtf is that supposed to mean?
They never discuss how you can punch a guy and he hits his head and dies and you get 20 years.
that's the one reason i avoid fights.
Because the punch caused it. Obviously
Not to mention it could happen to you. Not even a punch if you step wrong, slip and land back of the head to concrete that can kill you. That's the reason why if you see me in a fight that's because I'm being attacked and couldn't run it should be your last resort
@Crimson & Snow nahh.. coward punches to the back of the head.. very commonly kill people in bar fights.
@Stuart Shipp I had a friend back in high school and he kicked a guy who was full mount on his brother and killed him. That one kick still has him in jail today.
I remember a guy I played rugby with who was a golden gloves champion (who we thought was an awesome boxer) was sparring Lovemore N’dou (Who went the distance with Canelo and Kell brook). Lovemore made him look like he’d never thrown a punch his whole life. Was so eye opening ... back then I realised that there are literally “Levels”.
These guys are dead on. Jock Willink is awesome!! I did exactly what he is talking about. Learnt jiu jitsu and then boxing. Given I got knocked out cold in boxing but then I learnt to take hits to my head and my jiu jitsu helped because I wasn’t afraid to get real close in boxing and use hooks and uppercuts. After listening to Jocko and experienced fights myself I bought his book. Best investment I have ever made ... extreme ownership. I am myself a navy brat and this book was brilliant.
talking about wrestlers dominating if they get a hold of you. when i was younger we had a 3x Minnesota State Champion on our team, he couldnt have weighed over 130 soaking wet. Big offensive lineman from another school comes up talking shit for no reason at a party. Wrestler tells him he doesnt want to fight him and to please stop. Lineman keeps poking and prodding. Lineman swings and lands a weak headshot. Wrestler double leg takedowns the guy and slams him on the concrete in the garage. Blood is coming out the back of his head. Wrestler mounts on top of him and lands about 8 forearm/elbows and busts this whole guys face up. They need 3 guys to carry this 250lb dude out of that party and from that point forward you realized you better drop a wrestler before he gets a hold of you cuz damage will be done
I've been boxing for 6 years. Started Jiu Jitsu 9 months ago....It's unreal how utterly helpess I still am vs. solid grapplers (In MN too BTW! Come try a class if interested!)
hope the wrestler guy didn't get into trouble
Also, on a lesser note, hope the asshole guy didn't get crippled or killed lol.
on another episode of stories that never happened...
My best friend was a 3x state champion in Indiana ive seen wrestlers manhandle dudes on the street. Four times actually.
Joe Rogan, the main reason that I love listening to your shows is because of the way you get all of the guests to discuss with such care that you can just close your eyes and see what is being described in your head. You get your guest to provide information so clearly it really puts your show at the TOP! Joe you were made to do this program. Keep it up Brother!!!
Joe had a great point when he mentioned that jiu jitsu goes full out 100% resistance bc when you train with that you learn to expect and you learn to counter and you learn to do the moves in them with resistance
My very first Karate instructor (a biker dude who was a real badass) said that the goal of self defense and hand to hand combat was not “kicking someone’s ass”. But rather removing yourself from a very dangerous situation and getting back to a safe place.
Yea and karate kids get f’d up 😭
@@mradam1282 I agree and that's because the vast majority of "Karate Kids" have been taught generic slap happy kickboxing.
Tony Ferguson the type of guy to jump the cage and attack his own corner
Lmao that's a new one
Eddie Bravo needs an asswhooping anyways
Looking beautiful Tony!
El Cucuy Has ben detained wasn't able to kick Justin Door down
Master Justin proved it
Tony the type of guy to give his corner advise in-between rounds
the thing with grappling in street fights is its only good for one opponent at a time, as a former security/bouncer I found best combo for street fighting is boxing and Judo hip throws
Yup boxing Judo and Sambo which is basically Judo heavy mma.
The ideal way to quickly end a fight is to throw someone on the ground on their back with enough force to incapacitate them without them hitting their head while remaining on your feet and that is the main goal in Sambo. Too bad Sambo gyms are rare in America.
Boxing is great for not only for learning punches but maintaining distance, dodging and blocking strikes.
One of my old high school buddies got into a random shit-talk turned dust-up in a parking lot of a pool hall. Other guy threw the first punch, knocked him down and the way his head hit the ground killed him. Dude got manslaughter charges over some stupid shit, and my buddy lost his life. Fighting outside a professional setting is SO stupid unless you seriously have no choice.
Glock
@@seer775 That would have ended the described fight above with the exact same result, only the manslaughter charge would have been murder. So nope--that wouldn't have fixed the problem. It would have made it even worse.
@@MatLaVore pigs can catch these hands too 🤜🐽🤛 🥓🥓🥓
@@MatLaVore nah it probably would deterred the attacker
@@antoniososa1964 And if it doesn’t deter your attacker, you’re either ending up in prison or a casket. At minimum, you’re definitely going to jail for drawing a gun on someone in a fist fight. And you’ll be in court trying to defend it in an age of surveillance. Good luck with that.
Here’s how drawing a gun in this scenario goes if the attacker doesn’t back down though:
1. He also draws a gun. Now you just started a firefight, and both of you are ending up in prison or in caskets.
2. He doesn’t back down. Now you either have to shoot him, or concede that he called your bluff by drawing your firearm and risk him now taking your gun away and shooting you with it. Either way, it ends with you either in prison for drawing and shooting an unarmed person, or dead for drawing without intending to pull the trigger and losing control of the weapon to someone now fighting for their life.
You never draw a gun to deter an attacker. If you draw a gun on an attacker it's because you're intending to pull the trigger to save your life, or someone else’s life, and it’s your last resort. Draw a gun in a fist fight and you’re ending up in jail, in a prison, or a casket.
Learn jiu jitsu.
Learning to box, or any striking in general is always best to start when you’re young. There’s a certain fluidity that a fighter gets when they’ve been training since a they were kids. Heavy sparring for kids is unnecessary.
my first BJJ coach taught me the same thing. First option and smartest is always to just run. we aren't getting paid to fight on the street, and more often than not, its just really going to cost you.
Then he is. in the wrong biz, I don't go to a pay a math teacher to tell me "you really shouldn't use math, unless you need too".
No.1 way to win every street fight: running away
That means you lost fam
I didn't buy this $600 pistol for nothing.
@@fullbull9771 no
@@fullbull9771 you have never been punched obviously
@@Jeroneb23 and so begins the cycle
this video got me to book my first jui jitsu class! im starting in 2 days. i didnt know if i wanted to learn striking or grappling first . joe and jocko helped me make tht decision and i was gonna do striking first
How are you enjoying it?
Grappling is kinda serious… lol.. wear ear protection!
@@donsimons9810 and a cup, and have a great time, the people are dedicated and the discipline will help you in all aspects.
I agree... I personally think that wrestling is a great base and to start with that.
Having wrestling experience will also help when you start to learn BJJ.
Jocko's point is key in self-defense -- the first rule is to be situationally aware at all times -- i.e., try not to put yourself in compromised positions. Him and Joe touch on another good point about self-preservation -- you have a lot more to lose often times than to gain in a fight, even if you're a trained martial artist. I always remember what GSP says: there's a difference between TECHNICALITY (e.g., how to punch, kick, block, grapple, etc.) vs. TACTICALITY (knowing what to do instantly/instinctually in each situation -- e.g., BJJ won't do shit if you're fighting 2+ guys...)...
What people don't seem to understand about the running away thing is this: Most people run away to save themselves. Jocko runs away to protect the opponent. Most trained fighters would rather run away than seriously endanger someone's well being on the street.
Thank you for the excellent content. Street fights are often not one on one but one against many opponents. Fighting on the ground is not advisable with multiple opponents
Jockos insight is very valuable. Thank you for this podcast
Gotta be well rounded fighter. Going to the ground puts you at risk of getting kicked in the head by assholes
mma 209 one on one the best thing to have is wrestling multiple people I would want boxing
You don't have to be anything though. Awareness, avoidance, de-esclation, good flight skills, and not being an a$$hat will keep you out of trouble almost always. You all realise 99.99999% of the population in the Western world goes through their entire life without being in a "street fight", right?
To quote Marc MacYoung: "If you've gotten yourself in to a street fight, you've got to be somewhat of an a$$hole".
If you grab a dude in a solid hold around his neck while standing theres not a lot he can do unless hes a trained fighter, theres more to grappling than going straight to ground
@mma 209 yea but u can still run away if there is more then 1 attacker on the feet if it does to the ground u are stuck there peopole normally just hold on to u when taken down
@ricky gore Dude grow up. If you are getting sucked in to fighting on the street, that's a choice. It's a fucking dumb choice. It's poor decision making and bad life choices. You are an asshole if you get in to a street fight or start a street fight. He's totally right about that and obviously the guy wouldn't get his head stomped in because like any of the rest of us, he wouldn't be there in the first place.
Street fights are not "self defence". They are two or more idiots letting their ego/alcohol/drugs or whatever other shitty choices they have made provoke anti-social behaviour. Spew all the pseudo-alpha macho BS you want, but people in Street fights are low brow idiots engaging in avoidable, unnecessary behaviour because of their stupidity or lack of control.
All your point proves is there are millions of idiots in the world. No shit.
I’ve been doing Krav Maga for about 13 months now and while I know how to defend myself, I’d like to learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu at some point in the future. Having a great mix of striking and grappling in your arsenal makes you a lot better at self defence
This conversation hypes me up so much
Dude I seriously love joe so god damn much. I just had a situation where some crazy guy opened my door at the gas station and I got out and was just about to knock him with my hand I’ve broken 4 times and I swallowed my ego and left. I was questioning if I did the right thing and because of what he said I know I did. THANK YOU JOE
Don’t you hate it when you’re rolling and you’re about to tap someone and all of a sudden they’re a black belt instructor giving you lessons.
Facts 😂
Lmaoooo
Haven't done BJJ but somehow I can relate to this
Practically all fights start standing, you can’t always walk or run away, quite often they can start unexpectedly at close quarters with a cheap shot and occasionally there is more than one opponent. For all of these situations the best solution is boxing 🥊 🥊 . As for grappling on the street, wrestling can be super effective.
Why wrestling when I can just use GJJ (not BJJ)?
With all of the "Martial Arts" out there, it's refreshing to listen to Joe Rogan.
Damn right on all points
When jocko moved out he told his dad “u are now man of the house”
Joe “getting hit in the head by the world” Rogan
That shit is funny. Thanks for the laugh 👍🏻
Clicked on comments to find this xD
@@alexanderward3989 Me too. Was going to do it myself, but knew I wouldn't be 1st.
And the world doesn't even know any body building techniques
I feel like Joe witnessed a "suplex on the concrete". And he was traumatized.
Very reveling and honest coming from two fighters.
👍
I agree. If you take some combat sport for a good amount of time you are comfortable even years down the road if things get a little bit crazy.
Joe: “Getting slammed on the concrete is basically getting hit in the head with the world.”
Eddie: “Yeah, totally, and that’s the largest flat surface in the universe.”
😂
Absolutely. Teaching kids self defense, discipline and respect. It was always to cool to get to class early to watch the younger kids or teens roll. PARENTS- This a vital tool in so many aspects of life that you can make available to your kids. BJJ, wrestling or judo.
Both my son and Ii take tang soo do and Gracie jiu jitsu. Both provided distinct skill sets and it is a great bonding experience that we have. I encourage all parents to do BJJ and martial arts with their kids
The 100 yard dash. My favourite move.
Jocko advising to run away is.. Pure respect. The tougher the guy.. The smarter it is to talk down.. walk away.
For me, I would learn boxing first. Learning to avoid, or at least minimize, the effect of a first punch is the first thing to do.
Basically, some ape will come up and throw a punch at you. The head movement alone that I learned in boxing has saved my ass more than once - and I'm no pro. It helps you to survive the initial attack. If someone lands the first punch then even your bjj will be much less effective. You got to learn to survive an initial unprovoked surprise attack. Learn head movement and get used to getting punched in the ring.
My BJJ coach says the same stuff. bJJ just gives you options. If you don't know how to fight.....then your only option is to be at someone else's mercy. For the first time in my life I am confident enough to protect myself, but I would be even less likely to fight than when I was in my 20's because I don't need to show off to protect my fragile ego AND I know I can get hurt even in the best scenarios.
They are acting woke to ward off litigation, Joe is the real deal.
I think my judo from 6 years old helps a ton. Love the advice
Joe said something real about timing that’s one of the biggest thing I learned from sport karate.
You probably won't ever get to deploy your BJJ skills on the street, most anyone who eats a double leg take down on concrete is going to be out cold
If its a one on one fight then yes JJ and wrestling is great in a street fight but most times its a brawl or its two Against one and thats when you can get kicked in the head. You definitely do not want to go to the floor if fighting more then one guy.
C F that’s common sense lol
Double leg is bjj so in a way you did show them your skills
C F 2 on 1 usually it doesn’t matter what you’re trained in you’re getting fucked up regardless
6'4" 300 pound guy headlocks you from behind or imagine if he tries to rnc.
So is BJJ alone enough for self-defense? I wanna learn to fight (in fact I had my first BJJ class today) but I want to avoid brain damage at all costs. I read that even light, but frequent strikes to the head (from light sparring) can cause long-term brain damage.
@Alawi Aledrous Well that's why I picked BJJ, you don't do strikes to the head there (although of course you can get hit by a knew or something)
@Alawi Aledrous been doing it for a few weeks. It's good stuff
Fuck no bud. BJJ is fantastic for self defense supplementation. But learning how to box, wrestle and most importantly peaceful resolution are important for self defense. BJJ is only useful on the ground. As Joe said in the video, every fight starts standing up. Learning how to strike and do violent takedowns will get you there. Hope this helps
And don’t sweat the head trauma in training. Rarely will you get hit hard enough to cause concussions in a training environment. I’m no stranger to head injuries and yet I never received one while in training for boxing.
No martial art on its own is "enough" in my opinion. Truthfully BJJ has many great skills but I suggest you do something like Krav Maga or just flat MMA if you want to learn for defense purposes. I train in both Krav Maga, Kickboxing, Wrestling (and a bit of BJJ) and being well rounded in fighting is the best defense. In my experience, Krav Maga (depending on your trainer ofc) can be the most diverse training style, and can set you up good if you want to move onto another style down the road.
very valuable information. Thank you
Grappling has and always will be the number 1 combat technique to learn
I don’t think I’ve ever clicked on anything as fast I clicked on the link to this...Joe & Jocko talking about striking?! Yes please!👌🏼✌🏼
That dude has that "Chuck Liddell" leopard seal look.
Its that look in their eyes that U know not to fuck with em
Also a little Tito Ortiz
He's got a bit of thanos about him
@@TheKourage88 I don't know if your intention was to be funny but you made me cry from laughing
This would be such a good roll
I'm just picturing Jocko and Joe walking down the back alley and a 12 year old kid starts talking trash to them and they look at each other and take off like Forest Gump 😂😂😂
as Robert Downey jr said, you never go full [ ]
Hehe...great movie
You never go full Robert Downey junior. Even Robert Downey junior doesn't go Robert Downey junior and he's Robert Downey junior.
It's pretty hard to run away in the isle of a store Jocko. Kickboxing saved me lmao
A quick word on fighting from the clinch, in a street fight. Work as fast as you can to drop them to the floor. Those punches to landing to your body, which you can't see but can still feel, could easily be a knife stabbing into you, and you might not know what's happening until after you've gone into shock and have started to pass out.
A good combo of short and long distance running is the most effective way of surviving a fight. The second best is a 9 mm.
When Jocko and Yujiro Hanma see each other in the street the both run away scared in the opposite direction
I worked loss prevention for a huge company for ten years and was in over 500 physical altercations and I'm a stand up striker but out of those 500 or so 499 went to the ground in real world it's what happens.
The Krav guys are just trying to make a buck.
The best self defense is dealing with one’s own insecurities. Insecure people are more willing to fight because they are curious to discover if what they hope about themselves is true.
An effective martial artist, you are confident and secure in your skills, no need for confirmation, you just know.
That security gives you the confidence to talk to people in a calm and non confrontational way which really disarms would be aggressors who expect escalation.
This guy is the definition of a gentle giant. He seems so modest and cool and collected. I've never heard of him or seen him fight but im good at sizing up my opponents and I can fight! But this guy is something else i can just sense it. dude i wouldnt fuck with this guy under any circumstance.
I feel like judo should of been included into this podcast, very hand skill to know along with the others, to have the ability to to throw your opponent around like a rag doll is right up there with wrestling. Just my opinion, love these two guys they are amazing and I'm sure they would agree I think it just got missed.
When a competitor steps into the cage, with a referee, gloves, and a rule based environment, they still always run the risk of death or grave injury. Out in the streets, literally anything can happen. One of you could die, go to prison, get sued, one of you could hit your head on the concrete and go brain dead or paraplegic.
Especially as men we are hardwired to feel that backing or running away from a fight is the same or even worse than getting beat down. In reality unless you are saving yourself or someone else from imminent danger with violence, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain except a cheap, worthless boost to your ego.
Well said. A lot of people who train martial arts seriously loose some of that ego after sparring with somebody good for the first time.
Ive never heard run away first and thats the best advice!
I'm trying to get into grappling. If sounds badass. Are there techniques for holding back multiple attacks?
2:30-2:44 wrestlers like "yeah, we tried to tell them"
Totally agree with this, I also think the best way to introduce young kids to martial arts (functional) is through BJJ. I mean, the thing with kids is, the only way they will get engaged in an activity is either because they have fun with it, or because they have a natural talent for it that makes them shine above their peers; AND, not have negative experiences in it (like getting hurt, frustration, stress, etc.). If these conditions are not met, chances are that child is gonna drop said activity and end up hating it, children (at least most of them) simply don't have the maturity, the grit, the will power to keep practicing a skill because it's "good for them".
And sadly, real martial arts with practical applications, with pressure testing, are environments in which you're likely to get hurt, frustrated, stressed and humbled on a regular basis, specially the striking arts. The first moment your child gets punched or kicked in a spar, it's probably game over, he(she) is unlikely to want to go back and get on that horse again, and if you force them you'll only make it worse since they'll end up hating the activity. And on the other hand, if to take your kids to a "softer" striking martial arts gym without sparring, they will not learn practical skills; dojos/gyms that do this are generally just glorified day cares.
That's why I believe grappling martial arts are better for children to learn, they can spar with much more intensity without the fear of getting hurt for the most part. And among those, BJJ is certainly the safest; Judo and Wrestling you can still get hurt or concussed in a bad take down/throw. All in all, I would bring my child to BJJ as an iniciation, and once he/she reaches enough mental toughness or maturity (circa 15-20 years) take them to learn striking.
yeah or they get butt dragged and switch to aikido
This clip probably had the best pieces of advice to avoid a street fight!
I dig jockos outlook on this topic but 55% of attacks now a days are more than one attacker which is hard to grapple two guys at once or run from two. Would like to hear his comment on this.
This is so true!
I get BJJ guys telling me they can submit good strikers off the ground..
If you lay on the ground in a street fight hoping for a submission you will get your head kicked in.
When Jocko runs away from fights he runs around the world to catch you from behind
I am a 1 strip brown belt in bjj. I also trained in boxing. I get my nails done every other week therefore I practice my 2A.
That last part Joe was right.
I’m on my 4th class and it’s so true in rolling you have to try to defend yourself as much as you can at full speed.