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- Land Rover vs Jeep - Battle of the short wheel base four wheel drives.
In this 4x4 video we have a Jeep Wrangler JK 2 Door Rubicon up against a Land Rover Defender 90 Puma.
An even match up as both 4x4 vehicles are running 35 inch tyres and twin locked. The Rubicon has factory electric lockers while the Defender is running Harrop e-lockers. The Land Rover Defender is running after market diff gears 4.37 ratio while the Jeep Wrangler is running standard 4.11 ratio. The Defender 90 is rolling on Cooper Discoverer STT Pro tyres while the Jeep JK is on the cheapish Comfossor Tyres.
This is a close comparison on paper with the slight advantage to the Land Rover Defender due to the lower diff gears and better mud terrain tyres. The other factor that needs to be mentioned is the drivers experience. The Jeep driver is more experienced in this sort of terrain and as such the harder lines were taken to even that out.
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Good to see the 90 setup for and being used off the tarmac rather than being an Inner City fashion statement!
The first Land Rover was built on a Jeep chassis. Just a little reminder.
Dave G was it really?? I had no idea. I thought the defender was ancient. Never see that being mentioned.
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Yes, lot of Land Rover reviewers conveniently forget to mention that. The first Land Rover was built using chassis/ parts from WWII Jeeps.
epic video as always. Heading out to MOAB and California tommorow so should have some serious fottage up on YT channel the 80 series is primed and ready
Thanks Richie 👍 I'll be looking forward to watching vids of the trip.
Both the Jeep and Defender seem to have that special sauce for a "working" suspension. Shame the real Defender is not made anymore. That new "Defender" coming out looks like it will be an asphalt queen.
as does the new land cruiser BUT she can still wheel just gonna loose a lot of plastic pieces. lol
@Mikey stupid starts with your foul language.
@Mikey I firmly disagree. And being in the service is not an excuse. I really wish LR would continue a body on frame solid axle. It is the proven way to get sick articulation and thus traction short of going full military grade on something or going full out Baja super truck which will never happen. The full Indy on the new LR defender will be limiting in modding and tire size, etc. My experience is you need more tire sidewall to wheel ratio and Indy suspension on a production vehicle lifts tires in extreme circumstances which limits traction and has the tendency to break things. Furthermore, the trucks I see where the suspension works great are the Jeep Wrangler, Old Defender, LC 80 series, some of the Nissan Patrols and for full size the Ram 2500 Power Wagon which I currently drive. I love LC 70 series if it weren't for their rigid articulation. There are many videos and personal experiences on line to back it up if you drop your biases and look at the contact of tires and Terra firma.
I’m still looking for the LR defender 90 that’s running the 35 inch BF Goodrich tyres as mentioned in the description. 😂
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Maybe you have already done it, but you should sell your footage to companies that produce these vehicles. You could make a bundle. Your video's are fantastic. You take me back to when I was young. Your country is absolutely beautiful and you have a great group of friends.
IM a LR guy but the Jeep (and driver) look very smoooooth. Definitely helps the Jeeps have a more ballanced roll stiffness front to rear than the LR
The Jeep set up looks well balanced.
The defender set up is terrible for the terrain, owner clearly hasn't figured it out yet - is he Icelandic? Whats the point of adding 35" tyres is you are going to end up with less suspension travel than stock. A 90 needs to flex!
Great vids - keep up the good work
Thanks for the comment and support. The 90 is still a work in progress and so is the Jeep. Things always evolve and change.
As much as I love Defenders. I hate the 90's. I only like to drive 110's or 130's. They feel a lot more stable
Great match up two vehicles I have always liked. Both seemed to handle the terrain fine, although the Jeep appeared to be doing it just that tiny bit easier. Which of the two vehicles is better on road? Which would be easier to live with as daily driver as well as a weekend warrior? Thanks for doing the video, well done!
Agree. Looks like the Jeep has locking diffs. Jeep also lot stronger than the Landys.
@@TheOutdoorFun Both vehicles have lockers, click on the "Show More" link for full details.
@@Peter-xtreme Thanks. Wrangler is far superior than the Defender. I used to do a lot of offroading 9 years ago and I remember seeing Defenders breaking halfshafts and CV joints all the time. Here in the UK it has a cult like following and now they are very expensive after Landrover stop making them in 2016.
@@Peter-xtreme Your welcome and im glad you enjoyed watching 🍻
@@TheOutdoorFun every vehicle has its flaws. Just as stock LR halfshafts and cv's are prone to breakage, stock Jeep diff housings also fail.
IIRC the LR has about 65-1 stock first low. What is the Jeep stock? Also, what is wheelbase and wheel track difference?
92.9 for the 90...
The rubicon is 75:1 or there abouts. A sport variant would not be as low as the Defender though.
Jk wheelbase is 95"
Jk track is 62"
Jk sport manual crawl ratio is 45:1
The 2 door rubicon was about $60k
2 door sport $40-44k
Rubicon has lockers standard.
I like the defenders too, but i will never own one and here is the reason. Im 6'4" and when i sat in one i had to slouch down to see anything. It felt very small inside.
Thats the reason i bought the jeep
I am a big fan of Land Rover so I have to give it to the Defender
Another enjoyable outing! Does that 90 have lockers in addition to CDL and TC.
Yes it certainly does.
@@lror what type?
@@atoieno Harrop Elockers
You didn't mention the lift. The defender looked like it was riding at stock height, whereas the Jeep clearly has a lift. How high is the Jeep lifted?
The Jeep has 3-3.5" lift while the Defender is riding on 2-2.5" coils.
Nice driving lads. The jeep is an auto?? Love how controlled you can take things with an auto box and you can’t beet the wheel arches on the jeep! But the defender is 10x sexier haha
That Jeep is a 6 speed manual with the Rubicon's factory 73:1 crawl ratio and a driver that knows how to use it
Scott that’s awesome throttle control for a manual then
Yep its manual. The driver has come a long way in a short time getting used to the softish clutch and laggy fly by wire accelerator.
Hope you guys have a great new year 👍
I have the same model and due to the excellent low range gearing I find it easier than any auto I've had or driven to maintain constant slow speeds, the anti stall is also a nice feature. Yes the electronic throttle delay is annoying but that would be the same with an auto the same
The driver in the Jeep is a far better driver. I have been fourwheel driving for over 50 years and can tell which is the better driver. The Landrover driver is too hesitant, they don't keep the vehicle moving, which is what 4WDing is all about.
@@DavePinnock Exactly everyone does have to learn, so it is not a fair comparison of vehicles.
Its very hard to make a perfect comparison, the Jeep did take the harder lines throughout to try and even things out.
nice video but to be a fair comparison both cars should pass on the same path
The Jeep had a more experienced driver and as such took the harder lines to sort of even things out. It's definitely not a scientific comparo, but im glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for dropping us a comment.
I'm a noob 4wd Pom and I've recently bought a JK so I'm torn between the two. The jeep seemed to make it easier. Sorry fellow Poms.
The Jeep driver is higher skilled I think. He has far more control over his rig. The defenders chosen lines were a bit rough, like he hasnt had the vehicle very long? or maybe not off road with it much. Or maybe he used to drive something else..lol Great video in any case. My Classic range rover wants to be shipped to Australia.lol
Jeep for the win!😎😉
does the defender have a locker in the front? seems like the jk did?
Yes both are twin locked.
@@lror Not trying to be an a$$ but the D90 seems off a bit the entire video. from 19:30 to about 19:40 you can see the wheels on the rear rolling and the front wheels stopped the
The front is unlocked or the center diff is unlocked. I saw a few other places where one front wheel was spinning and the other not..if I didnt know better I would think that A) its not locked. B) center not locked or C) the front has a broken axle..lol anyway maybe it's just the driver. Sorry but My 94 RRC with various off road mods doesnt have locking front diff and I know I can go over some of that terrain with less issues than the D90.
The jeep gave an awesome performance but something is wrong with the D90 or it's driver.Maybe transmission and all the clutch work..who knows..sorry for the long post. As a land rover owner and RRC enthusiast I wanted to post a video showing how good land rovers are. This however I will not post because it is somewhat embarrassing as I know they can do better than that in my experience. sorry.I Love these videos
@@johnkemple thanks so much for elaborating. Land Rovers are great and very capable. The D90 is twin locked with no issues in the drive train. The section you mentioned is a decent downhill and down a rock ledge. No need to have the front locker engaged and loose steering capability. This is why when the front wheel is in the air and the brake is lightly on it stays still while the wheels on the ground continue to turn.
Unfortunately videos never do the terrain justice and the defender did great. Especially considering that the driver does not have a lot of experience on these sort of trails.
@@lror then I will attribute that to what you said..Driver inexperience..I was an inexperienced driver once my self...Still though it looks like jeep is the clear winner..how about shoot the video again and switch the drivers..lol probably not..Thanks for not banning me. lol.... I was just disappointed I suppose... My problem not yours
What happen at 08:25? Was it risky to break something? Is the guide part of your team? Is he a good guide?
He ended up on his diff
@@lror How strong a hit can it take?
Very interesting video to watch. Thanks again.
@@luke_atthat The front cover wouldn't take a big hit to damage it but the bottom of the housing is much stronger. In this instance he was on the bottom and that was causing him to drag the front of the line he needed.
@@lror Do you choose your guide? Because it seems that's the person choosing the line to go through. Is it?
Landy doesn't seem to be able to flex properly with that set-up........
I believe he is looking at changing a few things.
If both the vehicles have the same suspension,i bet the defender would win!
MOTOR HAWK car n truck enthusiast dumb as
Love the defenders for their looks but the wrangler flex’s a lot more it seems. However the 90 does have a good setup, I’ve seen so many 90 bricks lol.
Spring rates need to be soft in a 4wd for off-road, yes it will be crap on road though. Suspension needs to do the work, Nowadays it’s 300kg pre load springs and no articulation what so ever which just bounce around the track
Its always a compromise between on and off road.
LROR
Very true! I’ve always said a good setup would be flexy coils with airbags.. air up for onroad, deflate for off-road.
@@mayk3lll yes a few guys run this and find it works great. You can't however run the bags with no pressure as you run the risk of them pinching as the coils compress.
LROR do the bags tear? I thought they’re be fine cause they’re pretty thick! May have to test that out when I set up lol
@@mayk3lll if ran empty they do tear.
It looks like what would happen if Hot Wheels built a Landy......!
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the driver in the land rover was painful to watch and his spotter wasnt much better, also in parts the landy never took the same line this is not the trucks fault but the drivers