Disco 2 would do it easily with its Centre Diff locked and traction control (even models without CDL would do it). The reason the shorty Defender did it easily was when progress was halted he engaged a diff locker (probably rear) ....you could hear the air compressor for the locker working...then it drove straight through. Nothing magical. Cheers
That is the unfortunate side effect of having radius arms on the front suspension. They dont like to let the axle articulate as that causes binding. As soon as the weight comes off the front wheel thats compressed they unload causing the vehicle to lurch over. 4 link jeep suspension "quadralink" is superior.
+Landcruiser Toy Since the stock defender only has a center diff lock you install the proper diff lock. that thing that locks the axle. and was that an ad or something?
@@stuarthotchkiss3669 in some areas of the world diff locknrefers to something like an arb or detroit locker or an e locker. its a eegional dialect difference.
@@stuarthotchkiss3669 Well, if you're only using your LR for road driving then yeah, the diff lock is useless... But if you do go off tarmac with it, then no, its not useless. Far from it in fact. Also, this myth that it "splits power 50:50" is simply not true, you see it in hundreds of videos and thousands of comments about Land Rovers. The diff lock, forces both front, and rear drive shafts to rotate at identical speeds. The front axle and the rear axle get full power each not half power each.
Very simple equation... td5 ( the first car ) is a piece a junk engine and transmission specially first gen up to 2002 yet it had traction control that's why it goes over it as the wheels don't spin when lifted . 300 tdi is the most reliable defender EVER MADE specially if you have the Wolf Version ( transmission and engine are forever ) if maintained. The Disco one with the 300tdi engine is the same story as the 300 tdi Defender... no traction control. To solve the problem you can add diff locks on front and rear axles and it will be way better than the traction control of the td5. I hope my comment explains it for the affectionado :)
defender td5, you can find engine with 800.000 km still running. I love all defender, we have all the same passion and addiction, why you use bad word's for a car who made the history? just remember the td5 is the last car made all in england...i'm very proud of my defender td5
somebody say open the diflocks but , this trucks dont have differential locks on rear and front axles. just have center differential lock on transmission. if install arb airlock on front and rear axles, there is no problem for in this situation. first truck has arb dif lock. i heard the compressor sound :)
+Mühendis Keşifte if you don't have difflocks on the axles, then you can simply gently apply the brakes, the brakes would apply on all 4 wheels, but it would stop two lifted wheels from spinning freely.
I was thinking about this but and I thought that because the amount of torque sent to the grounded wheel is proportional to the amount of braking force on the spinning wheel and the brakes will clamp evenly on both sides, the benefit would be negated.
Traction control applys the brakes electronically to the spinning wheels to send power to the wheels on the ground ,so what do you do if you have no traction control PRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL LIGHTLY you don't need diff locks
Traction control only applies brake to spinning wheels. Manually applying foot brake will brake all four. It may to some extent stop the wheels in the air spinning but also stop the wheels wanting to power out. Resulting in going nowhere in a hurry.
@@MrNeild123 ABS RELEASES brakes when the wheels lock, not the other way round. I am sure that the ABS components could be used to provide wheel locking but since it is LR they will find the least obvious, most expensive and most useless solution as you can see in the video. Some years ago LR had a big campagign against the BMW X-drive system saying it was useless and would wear out the brakes. They pretend to have the same system now on the Discovery but it certainly doesn't work on mine. The myth of landrovers being good off road is just that - a myth
Any situation like this in nature? i dont think so many , you have all the chance to drive obstacels from several directions (maybe some degrees) to give your wheels more traction.You must first to learn driving without axel lockers than you come to be a verry experienced 4x4 driver i think.
The first 2 are the same landrover 90 the 3 and old discovery they all need to use diff lock this is what its their for , unbelievable how many people buy 4x4 and can't drive ,
+mightymikee Not that sure about that, since parking brake works on the center differential, not on the wheels (at least in my 1992 2.5 petrol defender)
+Sebastián Frerk You are right. I forgot rovers have parking brake at the rear output shaft. Well, logic still applies, rear wheels spin, then give power to the front by locking the rear.
yeah, it would still work like a center diff lock (kind of) but not too good I'm afraid, since it is not a disc brake, it's a drum brake. It'd still be better just to lock the diff
Igor K I think the lesson here is to learn the limitations, and drive accordingly. You build skills this way. I only use my lockers if necessary to keep safety as a priority.
with the electronic traction control you must keep the power on so the computer will apply brakes to the spinning wheels then traction will be had at the grounded wheels ,,,, MAYBE GET SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE
no-one ever does it, but what you need to do there is put a bit of pressure on the brake pedal at the same time as some throttle. It means that the spinning wheels are resisted, forcing some traction to the other two. Easy when you know how!
James Rothwell Yes they can...they have centre diff lock! And if it is engaged it wouldn't be a problem at all in that kind of obstacle. I think in this case they were not allowed to engaged diff lock to rise the challenge.
Para ser vehiculos tan caros land rover deberia haber montado al menos 1 diferencial mas en estos modelos ,bien trasero o delantero. El interior deja mucho que desear en cuanto a comodidad.
@@EZapar every offroad video ive seen whit a jeep in it they ither have a lucky escape or roll over not saying there bad just saying there a bit top heavy and you wont have that problem with a good old defender also if it did flip you can unbolt the roofs and bulk heads and tubs to replace them
@@thelandrovermaniac5334 You've googled the wrong vids. I haven't posted any for awhile, but if you look at my page, you can see my Jeep not falling over. :)
Once more demonstrating how useless Landrovers are off-road. Why is one wheel spinning and the other not? The spinning wheel should be braked and power transferred to the other on the same axle. The central diff lock is of no practical use anyway and you can easily end up stuck in two inches of snow with one wheel on each axle spinning. Useless. Buy a Landcruiser or a Tesla
stuart hotchkiss do you really believe, that brake action can drive your car? The real thing is transversal diff locks. Otherwise your brakes are fryed in a minute.
Esto es lo que pasa cuando un todoterreno no cuenta con bloqueos.Con solo una rueda que quede en el aire se acabó la tracción. Buen vídeo demostrativo
Tiene razón, me parece más divertido y barato un Citroën Mehari...
Disco 2 would do it easily with its Centre Diff locked and traction control (even models without CDL would do it). The reason the shorty Defender did it easily was when progress was halted he engaged a diff locker (probably rear) ....you could hear the air compressor for the locker working...then it drove straight through. Nothing magical. Cheers
At the end having manually controllable diff locks is much of a necessity.
Both cars do it very easy using the differential locked.
I was waiting for one of them to roll over. That first bit looks nasty!
That is the unfortunate side effect of having radius arms on the front suspension. They dont like to let the axle articulate as that causes binding. As soon as the weight comes off the front wheel thats compressed they unload causing the vehicle to lurch over. 4 link jeep suspension "quadralink" is superior.
There's magical thing called a diff lock that may make that about half a million times easier.
+Kevin Wang Diff lock make no difference for the landrover. ONly axle lockers !! Stock on landcruiser HDJ80 in Belgium. i have for sale.
+Landcruiser Toy Since the stock defender only has a center diff lock you install the proper diff lock. that thing that locks the axle. and was that an ad or something?
The LR difflcok has no practical use and merely ensures you get 50:50 power to front and back. Useless in practice
@@stuarthotchkiss3669 in some areas of the world diff locknrefers to something like an arb or detroit locker or an e locker. its a eegional dialect difference.
@@stuarthotchkiss3669 Well, if you're only using your LR for road driving then yeah, the diff lock is useless... But if you do go off tarmac with it, then no, its not useless. Far from it in fact. Also, this myth that it "splits power 50:50" is simply not true, you see it in hundreds of videos and thousands of comments about Land Rovers. The diff lock, forces both front, and rear drive shafts to rotate at identical speeds. The front axle and the rear axle get full power each not half power each.
That first LandRover was so good. Would defo own 1
Very simple equation... td5 ( the first car ) is a piece a junk engine and transmission specially first gen up to 2002 yet it had traction control that's why it goes over it as the wheels don't spin when lifted . 300 tdi is the most reliable defender EVER MADE specially if you have the Wolf Version ( transmission and engine are forever ) if maintained. The Disco one with the 300tdi engine is the same story as the 300 tdi Defender... no traction control. To solve the problem you can add diff locks on front and rear axles and it will be way better than the traction control of the td5. I hope my comment explains it for the affectionado :)
td5 traction control??? ahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ok bro
defender td5, you can find engine with 800.000 km still running. I love all defender, we have all the same passion and addiction, why you use bad word's for a car who made the history? just remember the td5 is the last car made all in england...i'm very proud of my defender td5
The first fella did a nice bit of driving.
This obstacle favored a shorter wheel-base.
ValiantVision
Mucho mejor el nuevo Jimmy simplemente porque tiene control de tracción que sustituye al bloqueo de diferenciales.
Very useful for talking the children to school
lock your diffs!
They don't have lockers
@@petert9696 yes they have one
@@yo2748 well yes, only a centre diff but no axle lockers
@@petert9696 I know
That's why I like locker diff it's so awesome
somebody say open the diflocks but , this trucks dont have differential locks on rear and front axles. just have center differential lock on transmission. if install arb airlock on front and rear axles, there is no problem for in this situation. first truck has arb dif lock. i heard the compressor sound :)
+Mühendis Keşifte if you don't have difflocks on the axles, then you can simply gently apply the brakes, the brakes would apply on all 4 wheels, but it would stop two lifted wheels from spinning freely.
I was thinking about this but and I thought that because the amount of torque sent to the grounded wheel is proportional to the amount of braking force on the spinning wheel and the brakes will clamp evenly on both sides, the benefit would be negated.
And also the discovery is equipped with a diff lock from the manufacturer
Both are fitted with centre diff lock from factory
Nice Landy brother...
not really the difference between them, more like with & without air locker
Would like to have seen something like a 2003/4 Discovery2 with the traction control at play.
Discovery 1 is way better offroad
Я не пойму, они что без межосевых блокировок?
Traction control applys the brakes electronically to the spinning wheels to send power to the wheels on the ground ,so what do you do if you have no traction control PRESS THE BRAKE PEDAL
LIGHTLY you don't need diff locks
but with them that cross-axle ramp gets a whole lot simpler & safer!! using traction not momentum especially when weight is shifting sideways
Traction control only applies brake to spinning wheels. Manually applying foot brake will brake all four. It may to some extent stop the wheels in the air spinning but also stop the wheels wanting to power out. Resulting in going nowhere in a hurry.
you guys ever hear of lockers? HOLY Crap this would drive me ape shit
Not exactly a fair name to this video.. The First defender (td5) had Diff lockers that he engaged after his failed attempt..
Scottexpat no he had traction control no difflocks,wheels are clearly seen being braked by abs module,get your facts in order dude
@@MrNeild123 Rear air locker is clearly connected just after first attempt. Pay attention to the sound...
@@MrNeild123 The ABS module stops wheels when the brake is NOT applied? Doubt it
@@MrNeild123 ABS RELEASES brakes when the wheels lock, not the other way round. I am sure that the ABS components could be used to provide wheel locking but since it is LR they will find the least obvious, most expensive and most useless solution as you can see in the video. Some years ago LR had a big campagign against the BMW X-drive system saying it was useless and would wear out the brakes. They pretend to have the same system now on the Discovery but it certainly doesn't work on mine. The myth of landrovers being good off road is just that - a myth
@@MrNeild123 looks like your the one that needs to get your facts in order..dude.
Why didn't the tdi lock diffs?
Any situation like this in nature? i dont think so many , you have all the chance to drive obstacels from several directions (maybe some degrees) to give your wheels more traction.You must first to learn driving without axel lockers than you come to be a verry experienced 4x4 driver i think.
It justs simulates a situation where on wheels on each axle has no or very few traction.
Depends on how you drive it
i hear air lockers on the shorty td5 defender
Jason Lavelle so do I! The familiar tone of an ARB compressor
Spot on...cheers
Traction control just that.
@@FEGTTTSDH not sure if your being sarcastic? But you can hear the compressor before it begins moving again.
Td5 with ETC?
The first 2 are the same landrover 90 the 3 and old discovery they all need to use diff lock this is what its their for , unbelievable how many people buy 4x4 and can't drive ,
Centre diff locked won't help in this situation, need axle locks or traction control
...Vs land cruiser or mk2 pajero / shogun with standard rear diff locks and a front locker bought with the money saved.
Why would you upload a video with a bloody finger obscuring the lens all the time?
The disco looks like it's had a lift and was close to hitting the step at one point
nego nao sabe o que é bloqueio de diferencial nao? where is the diff lock for those lands?
Video showing why lockers are vital
Parking brake would have helped if there was no differential lock.
+mightymikee Not that sure about that, since parking brake works on the center differential, not on the wheels (at least in my 1992 2.5 petrol defender)
+Sebastián Frerk You are right. I forgot rovers have parking brake at the rear output shaft. Well, logic still applies, rear wheels spin, then give power to the front by locking the rear.
yeah, it would still work like a center diff lock (kind of) but not too good I'm afraid, since it is not a disc brake, it's a drum brake. It'd still be better just to lock the diff
Gracias
I think they cnt drive
If it was a T2 Syncro it wouldn`t happen to have wheel spin
No tiene bloqueos
cool review
Real defender not like new barbie ones
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This is all about learning to drive your vehicle. Of course lockets would do it easy but that's not the point. A 110 would have done that easier.
Nik Marinkovic maybe a 130 would do it even easier :p
***** and dif lock?
Nik Marinkovic I think the lesson here is... Lockers
Igor K I think the lesson here is to learn the limitations, and drive accordingly. You build skills this way. I only use my lockers if necessary to keep safety as a priority.
Just take good care drivers
Which one won??
I would say the defender 90 (first one) did it in the quickest time.
TD5 (first one) I'd say
Hah... That's the driver not the vehicle!
just use your diff-lock !
Landrovers dont have difflock...
@@Zapo9668 only a center locker
@@thelandrovermaniac5334 that's not gonna help here...
@@Zapo9668 it will
@@Zapo9668 it would help! But Defender has only center diff lock
Landrover = King of cars🚙👑
with the electronic traction control you must keep the power on so the computer will apply brakes to the spinning wheels then traction will be had at the grounded wheels ,,,,
MAYBE GET SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE
nice demonstration.
Need locking diffs
+Edad Martin Maybe it was a test for the drivers not the car.
Cool!
LOCK THE FUCKING DIFF
They can't it's a Land Rover, open front and rear diffs. This is why the rest of the world uses Landcruisers.
James Rothwell Open til you engage diff lock. Then it's locked. I refer you back to theFierce123's original comment.
no-one ever does it, but what you need to do there is put a bit of pressure on the brake pedal at the same time as some throttle. It means that the spinning wheels are resisted, forcing some traction to the other two. Easy when you know how!
That's a good tip!
James Rothwell Yes they can...they have centre diff lock! And if it is engaged it wouldn't be a problem at all in that kind of obstacle. I think in this case they were not allowed to engaged diff lock to rise the challenge.
Prefiero empujar un Land Rover que conducir un Toyota
my favourite saying.
vas a empujar mucho... tengo los 2
Hay que ser realistas, un Toyota tiene mucha más calidad y mucha más historia que Land Rover. Y a mi me gustan ambos.
J E
Todo tiene su encanto
Iñaki Rubalcaba Coyote
Por supuesto, y eso es totalmente subjetivo.
A mi me gustan ambos.
get ya finger out the way
Discovery 2 would have done that with ease
difflock !
Why the fuck are they not using diff lock?!
Try that in any other standard vehicles....
Забудь кэмэл трофи.
So interesting !!!!!!
👍👍👍
Use diff lock, even I know that 🤦🏾♂️
Moss they don’t have axle lockers standard.
Por favor quita el dedito delante del objetivo de la camara
Para ser vehiculos tan caros land rover deberia haber montado al menos 1 diferencial mas en estos modelos ,bien trasero o delantero. El interior deja mucho que desear en cuanto a comodidad.
Si quieres te paso la dirección de la fabrica, para que le expliques que hicieron todo mal, que te escuchen a ti que eres el que sabe.
el land rover esta en blokeo de diferenciales
Cualquier todo-terreno sin bloqueo de diferenciales no sirve para mucho, son una " mentira"...
Si no te gusta te jodes para que los ves
amazing
This proves that son can never beat father I.e discovery can't beat defender
Cdl white def
Frustrating to watch people that don't know how to carry a little momentum
Cómo Toyota jamas
Sniff! gie us a 1980's "G" Wagen any day, simples!
where are the 80s g wagon videos
@@antonyhoward2759 Parked ootside ma hoose, 3 LWB fully road legal, an a wee 1984 SWB aboot to go through the MOT, all diesel.
es würde schon reichen wenn man n fahren kann…..
Open diffs
Мне кажется я тут на калине легко бы проехал
Cut that finger off
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stupid car
Shame
Watching these things fail sure makes me glad I bought a Jeep.
Urm yeah but atleast we dont roll down banks becuse our landrovers are bottom heavy and jeeps are top heavy
@@thelandrovermaniac5334 ?? lol
@@EZapar every offroad video ive seen whit a jeep in it they ither have a lucky escape or roll over not saying there bad just saying there a bit top heavy and you wont have that problem with a good old defender also if it did flip you can unbolt the roofs and bulk heads and tubs to replace them
@@thelandrovermaniac5334 You've googled the wrong vids. I haven't posted any for awhile, but if you look at my page, you can see my Jeep not falling over. :)
@@EZapar yeah but your not doing too extreme of climbs
jeep baby
lrgman1313 land rover baby*
Buy a Toyota
Worst cameramen ever
Once more demonstrating how useless Landrovers are off-road. Why is one wheel spinning and the other not? The spinning wheel should be braked and power transferred to the other on the same axle. The central diff lock is of no practical use anyway and you can easily end up stuck in two inches of snow with one wheel on each axle spinning. Useless. Buy a Landcruiser or a Tesla
stuart hotchkiss do you really believe, that brake action can drive your car? The real thing is transversal diff locks. Otherwise your brakes are fryed in a minute.
Puny bland rovers
Boooring