Remember when they tried to "save" Reaper?

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  • @tatuvarvemaa5314
    @tatuvarvemaa5314 หลายเดือนก่อน +281

    This game should have had a Netflix series for the events when Overwatch was an active organization. Imagine what an ending it would have had where Overwatch burns down with Reaper and Soldier fighting in the middle of their worlds crumbling. Reaper brought back from the dead by Moira, and Jack looking back at the crumbling headquarters of overwatch.

    • @unusuariorandom9115
      @unusuariorandom9115 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      imagine this
      Overwatch The Retribution Archives
      a sfm / blender movie who explains the past, present and future of gabriel reyes
      From Blackwatch to his first missions as Dusk in talon and the present taking the mantle of reaper
      peak cinema

    • @Mr.Brothybear
      @Mr.Brothybear หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yea Cause Netflix just LOVES Animation

    • @tatuvarvemaa5314
      @tatuvarvemaa5314 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Mr.Brothybear Im talking about it as like Arcane. You'd obviously have given the choice to Blizzard on how the end product would have turned out.

    • @harm0ny_
      @harm0ny_ หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Mr.BrothybearWhen it’s an adaptation of a huge existing IP that has had fans begging for s show since it came out and that will undoubtedly bring them money? Yeah. They do.

    • @Velksa
      @Velksa หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      blizzard actually had a deal with netflix to make an overwatch series but then they sued so it got canceled lol

  • @moonblaze2713
    @moonblaze2713 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    I'd argue Sonic is also righteous and heroic. That's not the difference between them. But where Sonic went for Cool, Mario went for Joy. The main characterization for the plummer is as a happy little guy who can shout out a "Yah-hoo!" and it comes off as endearing, hes almost like a puppy.
    Sonic is chasing that Cool. And even when he tries to return to that core character, it's a 90s cool at the root and doesn't solve the problem. But joy is timeless.

    • @kage1573
      @kage1573 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I would say that the core of Sonic is his free spirit, a desire to go wherever he wants because his love of adventure and freedom which are elements that were apparent since the first game where he was the free spirited hero fighting for nature to know still being a free spirit that challenges any powerful beings that threaten what he cares about which is a timeless element that makes him stand out when written well which wasn't the case with many of the 2010 games.

  • @Armetzger
    @Armetzger หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    Reaper is like the Punisher, but if someone just had the physical description of the Punisher with no background explained on why he is a psychomaniac who wears all black, has a skull motiff and is okay with murder.

    • @creed8712
      @creed8712 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So punisher before Ennis

  • @Sibaspapu
    @Sibaspapu หลายเดือนก่อน +326

    if we ever get a movie, series or anything about overwatch, I really hope Reaper will turn into a good guy again or go out by doing something good

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      I get the feeling he's meant to ultimately do something good too. Maybe not fully rejoin new Overwatch, but introducing the fact that he had a wife and son that he longs to see again would feel pointless if he's truly abandoned his humanity.

    • @bigfudge2031
      @bigfudge2031 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Shame this story basically hasn't moved since OW was released.

    • @DumplingDoodle
      @DumplingDoodle หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      he'd probably just end up like vader. sacrificial death to defeat ram, honor restored.

    • @scumknight6074
      @scumknight6074 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      He still thinks Sojourn is a friend and every time he kills Doomfist he genuinely doesn’t like him. I think Reaper and Sombra will defect, Sombra might also convince Sigma to leave. Like mentioned, I doubt they’d join Overwatch, but they’d redeem themselves at some point.

    • @Devil-David
      @Devil-David หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you implying talon are the bad guys?

  • @Smalls2233
    @Smalls2233 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    I don’t think that Code of Violence was the turning point for how they were trying to make reaper more than an edgelord. We started seeing a more human edge to Reaper back in 2016 with the first Halloween comic where we saw him as Reyes and making his own Halloween costume, and then all of that was expanded upon more in Uprising and especially Retribution
    Retribution showed Reyes at his worst, killing a man because he would get off of a crime scot free since he’s rich, but also still as a very human man making jokes and being more than the edgy skull man (but still making clear allusions to the man he’d become. In the comic, the final panel closes on his face in shadows making the shape of the Reaper mask, and in general his “I will be judge, jury, and executioner as I know justice best” mindset was set up there for CoV to later expand on)
    CoV I think is the first time we saw more of the semi-present day reaper (though still years before the main story) as human, but it wasn’t the start of blizz humanizing him

  • @gyrozeppeli269
    @gyrozeppeli269 หลายเดือนก่อน +88

    Who would've guessed that giving a characterization and enriching background is a good thing.
    Something that Overwatch players have long forgotten - QUALITY.

  • @hugohudson2817
    @hugohudson2817 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Dude, Reaper's whole edgy shtick was outdated even 6 years before he was released. Pretty sure it was always ironic

    • @youngecujoh855
      @youngecujoh855 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Exactly, that's suppose to be his "thing", thats his identity among the cast

  • @bingoviini
    @bingoviini หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    How to make an edgy character
    Embrace the edgynes, so that they cycle back to being cool
    Aka, Shadow the hedgehog

    • @kage1573
      @kage1573 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think just giving substance to a tragic character works just fine because Shadow wasn't really an edgelord in Adventure 2 or Heroes but his own game mischaracterized him as an unfeeling loner which doesn't correlate with his core and unfortunately the 2010's lead into this trope which didn't help while having mandates but now Shadow is allowed to have more to him through things like Dark Beginnings, Shadow Generations, and Sonic Movie 3.

  • @bigfudge2031
    @bigfudge2031 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    Let's be honest, the edge lord gimmick was already outdated in 2012, way before OW was released, so as far as I'm concerned, Reaper is Ironically edgy.

    • @withercat1801
      @withercat1801 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      Reaper is so insanely edgy that he loops back around to being cool again

    • @TheUnseenKrab
      @TheUnseenKrab หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I'm the only one who doesn't care that Reaper's Edgy. I'm just laughing at Blizzard cause they have 8yrs of nothing to show for.😂

    • @HopeIsADrug11037
      @HopeIsADrug11037 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@withercat1801 thats a very good way to put it lmao

  • @EthanPence-pq5hv
    @EthanPence-pq5hv หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    2:56 are you saying sonic isn't just as if not MORE righteous than Mario? In half of the mario games he's just fighting a turtle to get into peach's pants, sonic is saving universes, his homeland, and his friends, sure mario does that too, but you can't say sonic is just "cool" and nothing else

  • @apenasumbotp7788
    @apenasumbotp7788 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Those were some stray bullets fired at Sonic, I also believe Mario might be consistent but he sure is a bit flavourless even compared to other characters in his own franchise

    • @EldenLord-wh4ov
      @EldenLord-wh4ov หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's the problem with having a character not growing in his own franchise while the others do

  • @The_succ_of_87
    @The_succ_of_87 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    While the edge lord thing was dead way before OW came out I still think Gabriel is cool, he's a cool character with a pretty sad story (Same with Jack and... well half the cast), a renown war hero who isolates himself after an tragic accident and perceives himself as a freak who nobody would love anymore even though his family probably would have been there for him, his son is without his father and thinks he's dead but Gabe never went to see his family in the 10~ years since. I remember back in Christmas 2016 we got the comic that said Tracer was gay, Ana and Solider were chilling, Pharra was seeing her dad, and then showed Reaper looking at a family, they were later confirmed to be his family , he misses them but he can't take off the mask and talk to them.
    If OW had a show animated like THE shorts that expanded on the lore and showed us moments we have only visualized, have a few episodes for some characters like Hanzo/Genji, Widowmaker, and Reaper, it'd be amazing and we could see the moments that changed them like Genji and Hanzo's fight, Widow killing her husband, or the fight between Gabriel and Jack.

  • @spyonmebaby
    @spyonmebaby 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i love the editing in this video, especially when it gets to 6:16

  • @Unsu833
    @Unsu833 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I would really like to see a Mirrorwatch version of reaper and maybe solider. They could really evolve his character arch/redemption in a safe way, with a different universe fall back option

    • @foxywoxy1915
      @foxywoxy1915 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It’s interesting to think of how they would change
      Instead of Moira, it’d be Mercy. Would it mean Reaper ends up like Soldier did while Soldier becomes the monster of experimentation? It’s interesting food for thought

  • @Ratched64
    @Ratched64 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Edgelord is not outdated. (some) People watch Eminence in shadow and think its rly cool. Shadow the Hedgehog is always an Edgelord. You just have to stick with it instead of trying to make him "relateable and missunderstood" all of a sudden.

  • @sir_captainmorgan
    @sir_captainmorgan หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I probably won’t play overwatch much anymore, the game has burned and burnt me out completely, but I’ll always listen to and talk about the lore, cause the lore is my favorite thing about the game

  • @ChaozieVT
    @ChaozieVT หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Although this has nothing to do with the video I personally think Illari should join talon, she feels loads of guilt for accidentally whipping out her people and i feel like doomfist could use her guilt to convince her to join talon. Also blizzard could do what Fortnite does and have each season have lore related stuff like having a massive event at the end of the season

  • @n3ar056
    @n3ar056 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for this video, I myself am writing a story that connects to Overwatch and Talon characters and I definitely needed to understand Reaper because he is an important character for my oc

  • @soup3043
    @soup3043 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    My favorite character is the reaper guy. he is very powerfull. special move, honestly is one of the best in the game and so he comes equipped with these two revolvers and only takes about 3 or 4 shots to actually execute a kill so it comes really in handy specially when you come from the side.

  • @Mintaaaa
    @Mintaaaa หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    mario is the worst example you could've chosen for this video, Luigi would've been the right choice as mario is the paperwork of hero, no personality nor anything really that stands out, he's timeless cuz there's nothing to time on him, he is nothing, Luigi in the other hand offers way more than him

    • @breezy3176
      @breezy3176 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      And the same can be said for sonic with him being a bad example of outdated which is honestly funny because sonic has a lot more personality than mario

    • @kage1573
      @kage1573 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@breezy3176 I think Sonic is a good example of a timeless character because even they describe him as cool but it really comes down to him having more attitude and impatience while also emphasizing his free spirit and cockiness which are timeless elements of his character that translates into multiple versions and is still a big part of his character today.

    • @breezy3176
      @breezy3176 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kage1573 agreed

    • @masekyn5480
      @masekyn5480 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      that’s just not true. mario doesn’t have any personality ? he is nothing ? don’t express those thoughts like they’re factual informations, its just your opinion. mario is just a morally righteous hero that isn’t scared to face any threats coming ahead, you do not need it be comically expressive to have a personality like luigi. luigi’s personality is just a cartoonishly exaggerated fear for anything that exists close to him. he’s like fear from inside out, which isn’t an issue but doesn’t have to be always that way to express personality. also i know he also tends to be brave in many iterations but that’s his main trait.
      my point is that mario doesn’t need to be that exaggerated, everyone can see that he is kind, cheerful, playful, encouraging, courageous, and headstrong in all of his iterations, he can even be cocky in some and yet can still be versatile and reusable in many different contexts and situations since he is so iconic. he is the perfect definition of a timeless character and i can just prove my point with one example : picture him still having games in 5 years, then 10, then 50 years. respectfully i can’t even believe that there’s people who think that mario is nothing when he’s so endearing, he’s a ray of sunshine.

  • @powerfull703
    @powerfull703 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

    BLIZZARD!!! PUT DUSK REAPER ON THE STORE, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

    • @Tha10n3m3me
      @Tha10n3m3me หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have it. It's my proud possession. You should've played ow1 buddy, it was a way better game

    • @powerfull703
      @powerfull703 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Tha10n3m3me i did, i stopped playing in 2021. then i started playing OW2 in 2023, back in season 3. it was not all that better.

  • @Ssssuuuuupppppppeeeeerrrrrr
    @Ssssuuuuupppppppeeeeerrrrrr หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I dont think i cud ever think reapers cringe cus he still acts proffesional n like a soldier while 76 feels more edgy cus hes all revengy and very gutteral while fighting beating ppl when there already down while reaper doesnt kill those who dont get in his way or are cowardly n run

  • @countchompula1896
    @countchompula1896 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Edgelords can be cool sometimes but it’s a very fine line to walk. The crossover skin Tomura Shigaraki fits him very well because Shiggy is in the same category.

  • @jonah-b7k
    @jonah-b7k หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Righteous and heroic also mean different things to different people. See: Luigi

    • @breezy3176
      @breezy3176 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Exactly luigi is a coward but will still stand up and do the right thing when he needs to look at his own games as an example

  • @RacingSnails64
    @RacingSnails64 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Ooh, those story excerpts are actually really good. I used to keep up with all Overwatch lore installments but fell off for some reason. I really need to explore what I've missed.
    Reaper has a lot of different appeals imo. Many Overwatch characters have their initial appeal and a deeper appeal if you choose to acknowledge it. While you can write off Reaper as "edgy killer," I'm always a sucker for serious/stoic characters. I remember first seeing him in Winston's animated short and instantly going "ooh he's cool." I like that he's not erratic or impulsive. Despite his anger/irritation, he's usually deliberate and methodical. I wouldn't like him at all if he was a cackling maniac who liked to kill and that's it.
    My only question with Reaper is, why does he hate Jack so much? Maybe this was answered since I stopped keeping up, but while I assumed he was jealous of Jack being Overwatch's commander, they actually seemed quite amicable in comics even when Overwatch started catching heat. Maybe it was the Venice incident in the Retribution event that caused the rift between them. Maybe someone forced him to betray Jack and he keeps using him as a scapegoat? Idk I'll stop theorizing about questions that may already be answered lol.

    • @kommandantkillcode
      @kommandantkillcode หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jack is the one who hates and chases Reaper more, based on the Bastet comic, and the in-game interaction he has with Ana.

    • @fairlywren3664
      @fairlywren3664 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The thing with Jack and Gabriel is that Gabriel was totally fine with taking a step back and having Jack handle Overwatch. The jealously thing was theorised by the in-game tabloids that would obviously be looking for theories as to why they both went sky high after Gabriel tried a hostile takeover, but ultimately isn't true.
      It seems to me maybe they disagreed on how to 'do justice' and the Venice incident was what made it something conscious. Then Gerard Lacroix died, Ana also 'died', Genji was transferred to the main team, and Cassidy straight up ran away from Blackwatch. I feel like all the negativity sort of just festered. Just a guy who had nobody to lean on and got swallowed up by it all.

  • @michaelrosa285
    @michaelrosa285 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Reaper reminds me of Darth Vader alot. Is that just me?

  • @robbie_the_mastermind2176
    @robbie_the_mastermind2176 หลายเดือนก่อน

    *Saved Reaper* sounds like a warpig from TF2.

  • @simonj9631
    @simonj9631 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is amazing editing!

  • @NobodyBoximus
    @NobodyBoximus หลายเดือนก่อน

    hearing reaper's story it gives off shadow vibes

  • @Oogabooga21
    @Oogabooga21 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    When you were explaining reapers lore in the book, It actually made him “cooler”. I just wish they could make it more available in the game, rather than looking elsewhere.

  • @BlubRuss
    @BlubRuss หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You just pissed off the entire sonic fandom by saying he's struggling to keep up. Keep it up giovanni😎👊

  • @jwatchcraft5564
    @jwatchcraft5564 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "The trajectory of the story is unclear"? My guy the story is non-existent at this point

  • @aimalkhan5028
    @aimalkhan5028 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Aside from the sonic point the vid is great keep it up

  • @thoughtviraptor
    @thoughtviraptor หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In my wildest dreams that more story content comes around, I think a Darth Vader character arc would work SO good for Reaper. Like he definitely has a sympathetic upbringing, but in the end he consciously decided to turn into the dark side (Talon) to serve a master (Doom), perhaps out of similar manipulation too. And yet, Darth Vader was an absolute menace, sadistic, authoritarian, and is willing to go to extreme lengths to ensure the upper hand is his. I think Reaper still deserves his ruthlessness and edgyness, and I think, in fact, he needs to be dehumanized. He's THE fucking Reaper, it's his career. But in the end, Vader met his match, his own family defeated him, and he was then he started seeing the bigger picture and makes a last moment sacrifice that redeems the character's image in the audience. I think you could do the same, with maybe Jack as Luke.

  • @thyduke3010
    @thyduke3010 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Also something id like to say is that its kinda annoying as Sombra gets characterized as a better and better person, she seems to lose more than she ever won.

  • @RoosterCogburnPhD
    @RoosterCogburnPhD หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't think Blizzard ever had a plan

  • @godzillaenthusiast9687
    @godzillaenthusiast9687 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With all the times OW's story has changed hands its no wonder they keep assasinating characters and fumbling shit like Kiriko lol, that's probably why Jeff was so obsessed (detrimentally so) with keeping it to one team

  • @gorillalamp377
    @gorillalamp377 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Speed Star in the first 4 seconds? you sir know ball

  • @Shyuthros
    @Shyuthros หลายเดือนก่อน

    after watching this video, that interaction at the end is still consistent w/ reaper's character, huh? he's saying "damnit" cuz he's disappointed w/ himself. ...maybe

  • @GorogorogoroChan2
    @GorogorogoroChan2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    SPEED STAR MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥 I love yakuza 4 soundtrack 🔥🔥🔥

  • @arieson7715
    @arieson7715 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Its literally the same thing. They just put depth on Reaper instead of making him surface level. How does that make him any more or less edgy?

  • @theultimaterat315
    @theultimaterat315 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Just like you, I like the overwatch story" UMM?? they have a story??? i thought that stopped in Overwatch 1-
    OH WAIT. IT DID.

  • @zepchir
    @zepchir หลายเดือนก่อน

    if we ever get a series or smth i want it from reapers pov 🙏🏽

  • @TheShooterlol
    @TheShooterlol หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There's no need to fix Reaper they should be fixing ow's dying fan base

  • @jeffy1862
    @jeffy1862 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This game, it’s lore, it’s fandom, and so much else has been squandered so hard. We should have had at least small comics or something so the world’s story would at least have some kind of momentum. If they do any kind of trans media at this point, books, shows, movies, it will just feel like too little too late for me by now.

  • @aqqo4365
    @aqqo4365 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    may the algorithm bless this video🙏

  • @garretwoeller7669
    @garretwoeller7669 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Did anyone actually think reaper was cool because I thought the idea was he was cool in like a hell yeah it's cheesy but he sold it in the trailers but in game he is a clown ass this is just edgy my guy

    • @justind3810
      @justind3810 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I dont really know but I always liked his esthetic like the mask, the colours and powers

  • @ValentineEden
    @ValentineEden หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    isnt the whole point of reper is hes just insansly edgy ? he was outdated the moment he came out

  • @lucavalente6620
    @lucavalente6620 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    No offense, but Reaper and his edginess was memed since day 1.

  • @metal_mario6492
    @metal_mario6492 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have that skin it's awesome

  • @justsatan6747
    @justsatan6747 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:30-3:08 has got to be the biggest tweaker take I've seen in a bit. Rest of the video was okay

  • @youngecujoh855
    @youngecujoh855 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sorry, but he's STILL cool. Not every new hero needs to vibe with everyone.

  • @Sevius_V
    @Sevius_V หลายเดือนก่อน

    I loved the story and the characters too bad they destroyed them

  • @GungaBunga3000
    @GungaBunga3000 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    People should stop buying skins. The lore should be half of blizzard income.

  • @lucavalente6620
    @lucavalente6620 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mario character success is more on his....lack of character.
    All actions done by him are done by the player, akin to another Nintendo 's character...Link.
    Luigi has more character going on compared to Mario.

  • @strvmpet
    @strvmpet หลายเดือนก่อน

    drop the music you played at the start bruh

  • @tupoibydlos
    @tupoibydlos หลายเดือนก่อน

    Blacks Blacks Blacks Black's my favorite color

  • @BeanieGuyMixtape
    @BeanieGuyMixtape หลายเดือนก่อน

    How did you get away with using yakuza music in your video?

  • @fenrirsrage4609
    @fenrirsrage4609 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly you immediately lost me on the Sonic and Mario comparison and I'm not even a huge fan of either franchises.

  • @gonkdroid5851
    @gonkdroid5851 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you’re gonna make a video about overwatch then don’t waste my time parroting ign’s ‘top ten reasons sonic sucks ass’

  • @bluestar4488
    @bluestar4488 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dunno, I would say Mario is an asshole, no? Look at the spin off games and he's stepping on his brothers shoes and hates on him for winning. I feel like sonic is very consistent. Yeah, he's cocky, kinda rude but he can back all of that up. I feel Nintendo keeps Mario stagnant while Sega keeps Sonic fresh

  • @Sabrina0s
    @Sabrina0s หลายเดือนก่อน

    You instantly turned me off by literally projecting your own ideas of cool on to culture at the beginning. You have no idea what people are aren't tired of.

  • @JoryuJazzuma94
    @JoryuJazzuma94 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Speed star