What If The Red Wedding NEVER Happened? | Game of Thrones
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- We go through how the events of Game of Thrones would change if the Red Wedding NEVER happened. What would Robb Stark's next move be? How badly would Catelyn Stark ruin plans in the future? What is Arya Stark's arc now?
Let us know how you think it would go and we will tell you why you are wrong
Walder was totally justified killing Rob. I'll die on that hill.
playing into the erasure of red?
based
Love it
@@BussinJeiber-wy1nc bet you're jealous of walder frey getting to touch 15 year old girls all day
baylon craster and waldur would be MVPs
I'm 1.25 speeding this and I feel like I'm having information pumped into my brain by a supercomputer
1.25 is perfection
Ben Shapiro mode
I use 2x on every video. My brain can't handle anything less than 2x.
I'm baha blasted rn and JESUS, 1.5 has me like a mk ultra victim rn. HELPPPPP
It's only good because one of you speak slowly@@OurHiltsHurt
Rob kills Roose cause that’s one betrayal too many by the Boltons as a whole.
True. Agreed.
And I don’t think the give the dreadfort to Ramsey seeing as he’s the loyal bastard son of Roose. They probably give to to the karstarks to appease them and split up the Bolton forces (if they’re smart)
I think Littlefinger gets trapped in the Vale because if he goes North, Stannis is gonna take his head for his treason against Ned. If he goes south after backing the North, the Lannisters take his head. So he ends up stuck with Lysa in the Vale and mad about it.
Arya wouldn’t have girl bossed Rob and Cat would’ve told her to pick up an actual needle and mend some garms rather than take up arms
True. Rip Arya warrior arc lol
She was gonna get married off real quick. That childbride arc would've been depressing.
@@paulraines9635 somehow probably less cringe than braavos though
I mean, maybe not at least to the Freys. Considering that if the leader of a House was planning to kill Robb a King and betray him for the Lannisters. Even if some other people in their house turn against them. Theres a chance she wont marry a Frey at least. Maybe someone from a northern house.
I think Rob wouldn't let that happen. Arya might still get her Bravos arc.
Kevan: “So the plan is to honey trap him? With one of our own vassals, who are famously loyal to house Lannister since the Reynes. Only an idiot would fall for that”
Tywin: “he’s worse than an idiot. He’s a stark, and a teenager.”
Kevan:,”by the seven this might actually work”
Based Lannister move. Lannisters can’t stop winning.
I just wish they would've sent word to stannis right away and say, yo, we know you're the rightful lord - we just want revenge (pledge loyalty and such). Could've saved a lot
@@OurHiltsHurt He is named TyWIN for a reason
@@whitebear2 I don't think Joffery being a bastard is widely known about and by the time Rob is in a position to make such an offer his men have already declared him King in the North so Stannis will never accept him as a rebel
@@whitebear2 Except they 1. didn't know, the twincest did not become common knowledge until Stannis sent out his open letter, a considerable time after Robb had been proclaimed king, and 2. were looking at a long history of the Iron Throne shitting on the North and House Stark and Starks dying to clean up the crown's messes or because the crown hung them out to dry. They had no reason at the time to think Stannis would be any better (and frankly, at the time, he wasn't that much better; before his defeat at the Blackwater sobered him up, Stannis was more concerned with his rights and what he was entitled to, than in being a good king or listening to the problems and needs of his subjects).
At the time, the Starks were looking at a choice of:
A. Asshole who murdered their father & lord, after his family attacked them for no good reason and made multiple attempts on the life of their lord's son.
B. Asshole with no right to the crown, whose accession to the throne would set a precedent that could destroy the inheritance laws of the realm and turn every succession into a war
C. A famously dutiful and lawful man who is the best available candidate for the throne, but has the weakest forces and as far as the northmen & riverlanders know, will do his duty, obey the law and support his nephew, who is, as far as they know, the rightful heir to the throne.
So they went with:
D. A badass leader who came to the rescue of his allies and succeeded against great odds, out-strategized the most respected lord in Westeros and defeated one of the greatest knights in the realm. A man who demonstrates both his respect for the rules and his commitment to beating their enemies. He's got the stuff of a great king and is descended from a royal bloodline that reigned for over six thousand years before the Targaryens or Baratheons came to Westeros.
Walder frey is 100% dying no chance he gets to live when robb finds out😂😂
The more important question is if Black Walder Frey can say the gamer word?
Corlys might have given all Freys the pass. I hope they address this in HotD
@@OurHiltsHurtwe can only hope maybe Forrest Frey got the pass for the bloodline
Are there bad words starting with N in high valyrian? Can we get a maester fact check on this?
@@notgoddhoward5972true knights say the words regardless of their house
Robb could have won the war if he'd given up the King in the North thing. Teaming up with either Stannis or Renly would have tipped the scales in his favor.
He did team up with Renly but after Renly death then yes he should have teamed up with Stannis
This has always been my take. Team up with Stannis and clinch the win.
Robb could have won the war even if he didn't swore loyalty to Stannis. He just shouldn't have let Theon go (so Winterfell doesn't fall) and give Edmure Tully his actual plan (so Tywin gets trapped in the Riverlands and cannot relieve king's Landing from Stannis' attack).
@@TheAlterspark Honestly, if Robb had put in the work he probably could have convinced Renly & the Tyrell's to back Stannis too. Have Stannis name Renly his heir, marry Sansa to a Tyrell, & have most of the country backing one guy. Yeah Stannis is married to a family the Tyrells don't like but the benefits are so massive they'd be fools to not take the offer. Besides they can always off Stannis after the war.
Renly and Rob should have backed the rightful heir, Stannis. Combined, they would have probably easily won. All they had to do was back Stannis, which should not have been hard to do, considering he was the rightful heir. I know people love the people of the north, but they are too proud for theirI know people love the people of the North, but they are too proud for their own good sometimes
It's also worth considering Robb didn't proclaim himself king. His bannermen did. Them doing that REALLY screwed him over, as it alienated both Stannis and Renly who were INCREDIBLY powerful allies.
Stannis sacrificing his own claim to the Iron Throne to protect the North from a wildling invasion that the Night's Watch would confirm was 100,000 strong while the Northern army was away is literally the most perfect gift wrapped present Robb could dream of, since it both protected his kingdom and gave him a politically viable reason to offer his crown to Stannis.
Had Robb bent the knee for any other reason after being named king, to Stannis or Renly, Robb would've had to spend all Winter quashing rebellions (with Stannis' army stuck in the South due to the snows) even if he and Stannis had already beaten the Lannisters. He couldn't risk it. But this reunites what's left of both of their armies and allows Robb to benefit from the sellswords Stannis is hiring, plus Stannis in general being the most formidable military general in Westeros. Combine that with Wyman Manderly's fleet being assembled at White Harbor and the North is ready for one hell of a round two, despite their initial losses.
A resurrected Robb would mean a resurrected headless man with a rotting dire wolfs head sewn on to him. That would be pretty badass.
Oh yeah, that would nightmare fuel and it would be great
Step aside Sandor, there's a new Hound in town.
How about if Ayra (the book version) somehow escaped her service under Roose Bolton, heads to the twins to reunite and warn her mother and brother before the wedding even starts?
We could have had an interesting backstab within a backstab wedding. Like imagine Catlyn rolling up Roose’s sleeve to see his chain mail, but then she rolls up hers to show his hers
that’s a fucking fire idea, oh my god. if only things went that way
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This vid just popped up randomly on my feed and listened to this while cooking now I’m seeing this comment and yup subscribed I need to know what a craster vid can be
No red wedding then Rob's wolf would live, he could then mate with Nymira and have direwolf pups to continue the species. This is the most important change.
They're siblings
@TsarNicholasII5437 dang you're right. Well with wild wolves and create half breeds that unfortunately dilute the blood line.
@@abominationaj1 unfortunately
There’s plenty of direwolves north of the wall, no need for wolf incest lol. Especially since in the books it’d be like Robb is having sex with his sister because they go into the mind of their wolves 💀
@@milliemaloney8585 I'm not reading the books but I'm glad the species is thriving in this fictional world lol
If this what if was real, best scene in the whole show would be Robb Stark and Stannis Baratheon forming a temporary truce in castle black whilst Jon snow is hosting the meeting in the neutrality of the nights watch, I can only imagine the dialogue
If they can get Jane Westerling away from her mother’s moon tea, Rob is going to be breeding that nonstop and the Stark bloodline will be secure.
True, he was a stallion primed for milking at the moment of his death
What if Rob is resurrected is a must do guys! Loved this one! Collab soon i think YT is ready for it 😘
Yes. The Young Wolf > Lady Stoneheart. Idk if the North follows him but he’s out there getting after it lol.
“we know no SIMP but the SIMP in the North, whose name is STARK” - ADWD
Classic ASOIAF quote
Jorah wasn't a stark
Let’s be real, Stannis is clearing up here. He’s build like Don Frye and could probably choke out or submit a couple of the dragons and the night king has a glass jaw.
Stannis with the valyrian steel chair
Wouldn't be surprised if in the end he solo dropkicks a dragon into the wall and that's how it goes down.
3:53 "she would just find him drowning in pee" excuse me???? 🤣🤣🤣
the if robb was resurrected instead of catelyn mentioned at 45:58 would be so cool visually because of the wolf head thing!!
I can imagine what George would do in this situation, still not finish the books.
I guess to be fair Qyburn could have “rediscovered” the scorpion bolts. If there haven’t been dragons flying about for all that time, you don’t really need these gigantic machines anymore
Scorpions are smaller and more mobile than standard field artillery we see in GoT or the books. Irl they were used as an anti-infantry weapon to great effect
Robin is the Prince who was promised.
The north, the vale, the riverlands and the storm lands rebelling against the crown facing the crownlands, the reach and the West abs maybe dorne. Just like Roberts rebellion! This was awesome can’t wait for part 2!
Who do you think wins?
@@OurHiltsHurt The south has the numbers advantage probably because of the reach. They are less spent out than the Rebels numbers wise. But I think with Robb and Stannis working together they’re gonna take the win. I feel like either Dorne or the reach wouldn’t go all in on the war out of hate for the Lannisters this would screw then over.
@@OurHiltsHurtCraster
Impossible.
They would have to give the Starks an IQ buff of like 80 points for that.
True. We must go back and correct this.
In their defense, the Starks (and Martells) didn’t have the privilege of having a thick plot armor like Lannisters and Targaryens.
They made one mistake and dropped dead immediately.
Meanwhile, Targs and Lannisters can make stupid decisions over and over again and they will still survive because GRRM demands it for the plot. Just look at Cersei and Daenerys. Hell, look at Jon! He died because he’s a Stark. And he came back to life (which is cheating) because he’s a Targaryen.
@@nont18411That’s why Targaryens are simply better.
@@nont18411 True as well. Varys letting Tyrion escape while keeping the hand and Robert's best friend - one guy who cares about "thE rEaLm" he so loves sit in a dungeon and get Joffreyed.
@@nont18411lanisters plot armor goes CRAZY
Scorpions were forgotten because all the dragons were dead in present GoT. They had no need for them until there were living dragons again.
I understand why they are not everywhere now but they seemed to be forgotten when they shouldn't because its well known that was used to take down a dragon in Aegon's Conquest
Scorpions arent like modern-day snipers to ensure target get hit guys and its an overrated weapon similar to say like cockroach or mosquito repellent which fails 9 out of 10 times though lol
Scorpions and other similar anti-personnel field artillery were used for centuries or even millennia (arguably), its foolish that they’re so underutilized in Westeros. Anti-infantry field artillery has always been relevant in warfare since it’s inception, and scorpions/ballistas were far more mobile and accurate than standard catapults.
@@sameersheriff7078this comment is completely ignorant of history
Stannis might be willing to grant special privileges to the north like Dorne gets
TRUE, let them be called princes and such
The Starks have no obligation to remain under the 7 Kingdoms.
Why on earth would dorn join with stannis for no reason and risk fighting dragons with horror they've caused to them in the past !! They'd rather side with dany as a win-win situation !!! 😂😂😂
@@sameersheriff7078wtf does that have to do with the original comment?
@@anon2427 Neither dorn or north would be foolish enough to oppose dany !!!
I dont think Tywin would die here. In times of war, Tywin has always stayed with his army on the front. As the war is still very much ongoing in the Riverlands and the young wolf has moved back north, i dont see Tywin staying in Kings landing to get killed.
But if robs army isnt slowing down along with vale and riverrun together he'll be forced to retreat as joffrey would be killed eitherway and he must head to kinglanding for trial and funeral !!!!
You guys are leaving out the biggest x-factor in this alternate timeline:
Craster.
Well spoiler alert
He will be sitting on the throne by the end of
23:30 someone finally mentions dragonglass - we know Stannins is aware of its existence so Davos also should know it. In the show Jon lears about it from Sam, Davos should tell him earlier. Dragonglass is also something that could bring Jon, Stannis, and Robb together
True, or at least keep them together through the conflict with the others
Been looking for a good ASOIAF podcast, thank god algorithm shot me this. I think the ultimate headcanon hopium is the union of Robb to joining Stannis’s forces to honor Ned. Plus after the Karstark blunder, Jaime’s release, and knowing that the Freys would betray them give good precedence for Robb to humbly step down as a boy king to his father’s will.
You really think there still would be a wedding? Like, no. There definitly wouldn't be. The Freys just betrayed them, marrying into the new northern royal family is a high toll to pay to pass the bridge, that you wouldn't pay if you didn't have to. So no Arya marriage. I'd also say Walder gets killed and one of their vassals would get the twins as a reward.
So theres that. And in regards to the Tyrion plot: With Tywin alove and him not already considering himself the wimner of that war, he wouldn't go against Tyrion. He does that because he can afford to do it. Cersei would still want him dead, but Tywin would blame someone else. He knew Tyrion was innocent and wanted him gone - not even dead - due to him being the heir to Casterly Rock. With his family still at risk, he wouldn't do that.
I also dont see Robb and Stannis allying. Robb is very full of himself and Stannis too. They might forge a temporary truce, that Stannis and Robb both would honor, but as soon as Stannis gets the throne and Robb has the north secured, they'd try to kill eachother. I could even see a parallel to the past and have Robb beaten down so much that ge kneels to Daenarys - the kings of winter only became lords because there were dragons. So I could see Robb making a deal with Daenerys to still be King of the North after she takes all the other kingdoms.
Still after fighting walkers there's no way they'll be in any position to takeover anything and stannis or rob wouldn't make it after that as they are too obsessed with fights so they'll be on the front line so one of em dies if not both and after unsuccessful attempts they'll bend to dany after she feeds cersie to dragons for good and with collective effort they'll finally takesout nightking and in the end jon and dany marries and lives happy ever after !!!!
This has always been one of the biggest things that bothered me in GoT. What if Ayra gave a man Tywinn, Cerci, and Jofferys names in Harrenhall. Hell just giving Tywinns name would drastically change how the war of the 5 kings plays out
People that definitely died
Roose Bolton: his betrayal was one to many and he had no reason for it
Ramsay Bolton: Robb is not letting a narcissistic sadistic psychopath live
Walder Frey: I don’t think this requires an explanation
Little finger: (he goes north) his betrayal to Ned comes to light and either Robb, John or stannis takes his head. (He goes south) the lannisters kill him for “backing up the nort)
My two cents on Stannis asking Robb to renounce his Kingship and the north’s independence is that if Robb accepts it might create a split amongst his bannermen. The fracturing already began with Karrstark and the main reason why many of the northern lords followed Robb was to achieve independence for the North and to avenge Nedd by killing Lannisters. And if Robb’s not willing to do either, I could see desertion or even outright civil war. And a civil war in the North is the last thing Robb or Stannis need while a combined Tyrell-Lannister army was rolling up on the Riverlands and undead horde was bearing down on the wall.
Meanwhile if Robb refuses to bend the knee to avoid just that, his alliance with Stannis could break apart before it even begins. So my thought is that it wouldn’t be nearly a simple affair either way
Could maybe walk the middle ground. Elevate the North to princedom status like Dorne.
@@L-Thatcher Only issue with that that I could see is that Northerners are fiercely proud and incredibly stubborn. The issue would be that as far as the Northern lords are concerned, being granted princedom status would still be accepting an outsider’s permission for rulership. Thus they still wouldn’t spring for it. The only thing that might salvage it is if Robb managed to convince his bannermen it was a temporary solution and/or Stannis accepted that he needed the aid of the Northerners more than he needed them to bend the knee (doubtful). Any way it went down though would lead to political tension on a razor’s edge
@@hfar_in_the_sky Stannis doesn’t have an heir. He was willing to name Renly when he was alive, he might be willing to name Robb in absence of any sons. Could tide the northern lords over.
@@L-Thatcher Now THAT would be a smart play! Then the focus would be shifted away from outright civil war and over to preparing for the Night King, preparing for Lannister-Tyrell army to the south, as well as any internal factors trying to undo the Rob-Stannis alliance from within the North. Because you know the Boltons, if they're still around, are still going to be making Robb's life a living hell. But at least with Stannis naming Robb as his heir, Robb might have an easier time selling the alliance to the rest of the Northern lords
Eitherway according to this timeline they'll deal with white walkers far early and lose most of their armies and who knows if either of them are even alive at that point so...!!!
What if Robb just married the Frey girl?
Still would have been betrayed
what if Rob legitimizes Jon, named him his heir after Catelyn freed Jamie?
If the Red Wedding never happened we wouldn't have gotten all those cringe youtube reactions that led to those cringe bar reactions toward the later seasons where everyone is acting like everything on screen is so amazing, D and D wouldn't have lodged their heads in their asses from falling in love with the smell of their own farts, and so they wouldn't be rushing to leave or buying into their own hype, and we would have gotten 13 seasons of quality story telling on par with the early seasons.
No way Robb would bend the knee to Stannis. The title of King in the north went straight to his head, he's also extremely selfish.
Imagine having your banners risk their lives for your family, but you still execute one of their lords. Especially when you yourself broke an oath for a hot wife, and when your mother let's the kingslayer escape and you don't do anything.
Not under normal circumstances, but if stannis showed that he prioritized the north, I think he would. Snap him back into reality. Especially given it would be honoring Ned's wishes.
@@OurHiltsHurt Yeah it's just that Ned's wishes were only to have Stannis on the iron throne, which Robb agrees with anyway. Ned might even want the north to be independent because only BS tends to come from the south.
I'm sure Robb would suggest he'd pledge his forces to help Stannis take the throne, and then in return give the north independence. Stannis would probably reject because he's so bureaucratic, and the temptations for Robb to remain king due to selfishness and the support of his men would be too high.
In a Storm of Swords, The Karstarks abandoned Robb the moment Rickard Karstark offered his daughters hand in marriage to any man who would bring him Jamie's head. They left to go hunt him down and the ones who stayed, murdered the the 2 lannister prisoners. Robb was left with no choice but to execute lord Rickard and he would've been seen as weak if he didn't. It was truly a shitty situation. And this was all Cats fault. Robb handled it the correct way but even then his days were numbered.
@@wayne47able True I haven't actually read the book but just watched the TV show. Again the Karstarks have done such an honorable thing by joining Robbs campaign and sacrificing their men's lives, for the sake of Robs family. He should've given Karstark another chance, who cares if he looks weak as a ruler, they're on a campaign and he's proven to be an effective military commander.
Jon Snow would've let him off because Jon snow is more practical and waaaayyyy better than Rob.
@@wayne47ablelooking weak over not killing a man who’s done so much for your family seems a little better than seeming weak and breaking a marriage promise simply because there’s a hot nurse coming around… it was a shitty situation, but it was the consequence of many bad decisions made by others, but also heavily by Robb himself
By the show or the novels? Catlyn becomes “Lady Stoneheart” in the novels. So off hand there are many differences.
she'll join the white walkers i guess
I´m so glad I found this channel haha.
oh please do resurrected Robb, that's one of my favourite scenarios to think about. I think one thing you disregarded entirely is. Jon's role. his (probably) parents, his heritage, his possibly prince that was promised as a son of both ice and fire thing. very interesting video though!
Honestly I don’t see why Robb wouldn’t kill Walter and grant the seat to a more loyal Frey, or to the Tully’s. It would mean that the Starks would own the twins via the Tullys and would make them even more loyal going forward
Yeah they need to definitively hold the Twins, without it, they will have to just play defense or attack Kings Landing directly
Stories don’t play out like a min max game
@@Adaman135 that’s not min-max that’s politics lol
*what if the the Green Fork of the Trident had multiple bridges over it?*
Lol why arnt these idiots building more bridges
@@OurHiltsHurtbecause the river is super big and powerful and would likely cause the death of thousands alsonwe have a good bridge and theirs a powerful family that owns said bridge
@@durrangodsgrief6503plus it took them like 40 years I think to build said bridge? And they own alot of the land anyone would build a new bridge on
How would the Red Wedding have gone if it was hosted at Craster's Keep? This was an important question to cover and I'm very disappointed that it wasn't even considered.
The most legendary of all venues...
Tywin would definitely still persecute Tyrion because he was a power hungry king-maker and he saw that Tyrion was a shame to his family.
I've been waiting for this video!
Was it worth the wait?
Easy, Rob and his men take the Frey’s by surprise. Holding their Lord Walder Frey hostage given his men stay loyal to Rob. Given the whole point of him retiring to the Twins was to gather the men needed to march on Castely Rock. Rob then takes Castely Rock forcing Tywin to make a move.
Ramsey would be dead for what he did to Lady Hornwood. Robb should give the Dreadfort to Arya and her Frey husband and create a new house (like Freystark).
Not a terrible idea, but there is a way Ramsay could possibly play it to come out okay
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things also got you do what if Robert Baratheon didn't get killed and found out about the truth of his kids and then he made of his other kids which are his heir
I love the fandome's what if videos but there's something so cool about seeing the whole thinking process on display rather than just exposition. (no shade to fandome)
It would probably end with Eron being assassinated by the red witch Danny’s dragons dead from scorpion bolts, and Stanis, the one true king on the iron throne, not to mention the white being defeated by the Starks and Stanis also can’t rule out the possibility that little finger offers his forces to the Starks in return for Katlin‘s hand in marriage
Dragons aint brainless pigeons that could be shot down with ease lol
Those big ass arrows were around for centuries and barely did anything other than few lucky attempts !!!! 😂
😂😂
@@sameersheriff7078scorpions + guerrilla warfare are how Dorne beat Aegon the Conquerer and his dragons in the book canon. In the show canon they clearly kill one of Dany’s dragons. If you haven’t watched the show OR read the books then wtf are you doing here?
@@anon2427 So ur trying to say with those giant ass telephone poles you could'd kill godzilla sized monsters !!!
I know GOT lore enough to know that these weapons were little to no use through the targeryen period where they encountered these with little trouble during dornish wars and even during dance of dragons !!!!
Noobs like you cant handle even minor logic so pipe down !!!! 😂😂😂
Did Littlefinger want to kill Ned? I think one of the reasons He and Oleanna killed Geoffrey was because the boy was a loose cannon
It probably wasn't his base case but it was definitely a casualty he was okay with to get what he wanted
If you know one thing about the Tyrells, it’s that they switch sides as soon as they know they’re on the losing side.
They’d probably abandon the Lannisters and ally with the north
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The biggest obstacle between Robb and Stannis is the men of the North not wanting to see their newly appointed King to kneel so quickly. Because of this I think Robb and Stannis could end up negotiating a similar deal to Dorne where they retain Royal Privilege in an attempt to keep the Northerners happy. It is possible that Stannis could elevate his title to Emperor (Or a westerosi equivalent) so that Robb would still be the King in the North just sworn to the Emperor of the South.
The people that are condemning Robb (and also Rhaenyra) are the very same ones who are creaming over Rhaegar Targaryen even though what Rhaegar did was so much much worse.
Looking at you, GRRM. Your Rhaegar bias is so obvious.
So true, Rhaegar stans are cringe. But we also condemn Robb lol
@@OurHiltsHurt Let’s face it, Rhaegar only has “stans” because he’s Jon’s father.
Even though Jon is a good guy thanks to Ned, not Rhaegar. If Jon was adopted as Roose Bolton’s bastard and turned out to be a psychopath like Ramsay, do you think people will give credit to Rhaegar or all the blames go to Roose?
Really love this what if content!
Stannis and Robb joining forces makes a ton of sense. Lannisters just got new allies why shouldn’t the Starks?
Little finger would try to give Sansa to Kat in hopes he can gain favor.
_why's a chirp in the background funny_
Subbed for that 😂
lord frey cheeseless
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I don’t think Robb would all Ayra to marry in as punishment. There will be edits as the video goes o! Like it so far!
Littlefinger could do what he did in the show and maybe get Kat after returning Sansa
Y’all should do a what if Craster video was the released and do some theory crafting around that said fictional video
"What If There Was A Craster Video | GoT HotD"
@@OurHiltsHurt that’s actually a great video idea I can see why you’re growing
i could see a world where arya does get married to a frey but runs away to braavos and trains with the faceless men, i can see a world where talisa somehow still dies and robb marrys dany, maybe a world where bran or rickon marries shirreen
I think Dannie check mates them all. She’s got a Barriston selmey who probably has Targaryen blood. She has her three dragons. She has both the unsullied and the Dathraqi hoard. Baraston is as good an advisor as he is a Knight. And to boot if Jon Snow comes forward, she’ll probably want to marry and Jon.
when are we starting our what if GoT Role Play minecraft server?
The Hound would show up while feast still going on. What happens to him?
Realistically he would probably go his own way. I doubt Robb would try to have him killed given Arya's situation. And I also doubt he would suddenly feel the need to join Robb's cause. So probably become a wandering large nutted warrior
@@OurHiltsHurt but he’d have to negotiate the ransom.
What about the true king beyond the wall Craster joining forces with Robb and Stannis to help save the realm
RIP to the one true savior
Does no one realize that Stannis never received Neds letter? Stannis doesn’t think and Robb doesn’t know that Ned chose Stannis. The letter never made it cause it was meant to leave with Sansa and Arya’s ship. Robb doesn’t know that either as the official story is the one where Ned admitted to it but everyone knew Ned didn’t actually commit treason. So Robb and Stannis will not or would be less likely. The one thing I could see is that Stannis would say that Robb could be made his Heir potentially as he at times is willing to put his daughter aside but also not also. Just don’t see Robbs and Stannis wall meeting would
Go well
I don't even think stanis would attack kings landing in this timeline. At least how he did without more help
The greatest tragedy about RW wasn’t that Robb died (Catelyn doesn’t count because she’s revived).
It’s that Roslin Frey is much hotter than Talisa (or Jeyne, whoever that is). Robb missed a chance with her, unlike our boy chad Edmure.
He even faked surrendering to Jaime while helping the Blackfish escape the siege. What a badass.
Yeah, Robb's coomer brain probably had that one final regret as he died. He picked the wrong hole
@@OurHiltsHurt Let’s not forget that the show did Edmure very dirty. They just made Edmure give up and get his uncle killed.
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And even before then- BookEdmure was compassionate, not an idiot- they aren't synonymous -- he cared about his people
@@OcarinaSapphr- edmure is a compassionate fool. he goof big.
Book Arya was probably the second best Stark warg, unable to follow her desire to train to be an assassin and stuck in a Frey marriage. Think she leans more into Nymeria because she can't help being a badass.
I just don’t see stannis surviving the wall and robb bending the knee
Eitherway theres no way they'll win against Tyrell and Lannister army after fighting nightking which i highly doubt so if they'll be successful in firsrplace and after all that dany and dragons is the endgame for them anyway !!!
15:50 I was thinking Robb would likely have little finger executed even if it was against his mother's wishes. Sansa might be married to Robin who Rob would place as lord of the Veil. He could have Catlyn remain there to watch over them and make sure other member of the Vale are loyal.
I think in the end it will be Stannis on the Throne v. Danny and likely the martells. Dany will likely torch the Western Lands and the Reach (or at least their armies) after loosing a dragon in an attack on the capital or the kings lands. As much as I love her if Westeros is united against her (mostly) I think they will loose; it'll cost Weteros a lot but in th end I think Stannis could remain on the throne.
Tywin would keep Tyrion alive, as his continued existence means Sansa can not be married and secure an alliance.
Rob and stannis help defend the wall from the wildlings, Jon never gets mutinied bc he’s not trying to ride south to take back winterfell and he has the support of the warden of the north. Little finger returns sansa to the north and pledges the vale to their cause in order to keep his head. Aegon takes the storm lands, dorne remains neutral until Dany arrives. Tywin still dies, Tyrion still goes to essos. I think in this what if the tyrells see the winds shifting and remove themselves from the Lannisters and instead return to fortify the reach and plot their next alliance. Cersi won’t have any reason to arm the faith. But she’s screwed either way. Idk from there but it’s not looking good to be a Lannister
Targaryens win so hotd 2.0 i guess !!!!
Robb and Shireen marry, the north once more annexed by the kingdom of westeros- with House Stark now as landed Princes as well as Lord's Paramount and Wardens.
The easiest way for it not to happen, is for Robb to not break the oath he made, period.
If they went back north, they would reach before Bran and Rickon leave for the wall/Skaagos, so they would be reunited as well. Maybe Bran would leave still to find Bloodraven, but Rickon would stay with Catelyn
There is no known Valyrian steel weapons left in robbs and stanis army, what sword are u talking about guys
I’d like to see robin arryne and Joffrey have a MMA match
Robin is juicing on that anabolic protein straight from the tap man. Joffrey gets one-shotted
I feel like with the war continuing, Tywin's worst nightmare coming to pass with Stannis and Robb joining forces and Jaime heading back on the front lines because of Joffrey's dismissal. Tywin will once again, put family legacy above all else and very begrudgingly hedge his bets for the future of his line and not allow Cersei or anyone give ANY merit to the idea that Tyrion was involved in Joffrey's murder. Tywin is gonna go back to treating Tyrion like he did when he made him hand, which is enough for Tyrion to stay team Lannister.
Nah..he's way too egotistical and hates tyrion as joffrey would be killed while he's not around so trial and everything that followed wont change much !!!
@@sameersheriff7078 He's still not gonna waste an asset like Tyrion or risk his line ending with Jamie going back to war.
@@washingtoncommandcenter5541 Nah....tyrion aint any good asset mainly cuz of his build and there's a conspiracy that he might be mad kings bastard so don't see tywin saving his ass as also there ain't anyone else to scapegoat as cercie's hell bent on blamin tyrion there isnt much he could do and tywin doesn't like to be outsmarted by tyrion among the council so he's always been waiting for an opportunity to get rid of him !!
@@sameersheriff7078 Tywin doesn't need a scapegoat, he would tell her what was what and that would be the end of it before he pinned it on someone else(probably the Targaryen across the sea in retribution for the assassins Robert sent). He wants to be rid of him, but he's pragmatic and NEEDS him with Jamie gone, like when Jamie was captured. He made him the hand to straighten him out as potentially his only heir as much as to reign in Joff & Cersei. Tywin's entire deal is family and legacy and he would suffer Tyrion as HIS OWN heir(over Kevan's) VS ending the line any day( Lancel's health is touch & go his brothers would still be in Robb's custody/Dead in this scenario). With Joff and Jamie dead, Tommen continues the Baratheon line in name as king with no other Lannisters left, Tywin is shutting Cersei down quick.
With Renly Dead, Stannis could have offered to name Rob his heir if he accepts Stannis as king.
The Great Walder Frey, marrying one of Chivalric Craster's daughters, siring the true 'Prince, that was promised'. The 'Targaryen Bloodline' would look like a joke, next to it.
If Robb doesn't die then joffrey can't do his war of the five kings dwarf play. maybe he could still have a dwarf show and create the tension.
I can't remember but didn't stanis lose because tywin was able to eliminate Robb and prior to black water. If Robb lived kings landing falls to stannis
Bro really said “where did Hannibal get his elephants from?????😮” then said where they got them from. Bro what?!
What?
I think the better explanation is just if he just marry Roslin , than is no betrayal, ( he could had not gone in the westerlands at all )
Than the purple wedding
Walter for King
Based and Frey pilled
As far as Littlefinger goes, I think he does spirit away Sansa, marry Lysa, kill her and take the Vale. After that he offers Robb his army and safely returns his sister. Robb offers him any reward in his power to give, he asks for Cat’s hand.
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The show kind of made the Starks more rustic than they where in the books. House Stark in the novels where not as wealthy as the Lannister's but they where a lot wealthier than the show.
First lets look at what they wear in the books which is nothing like there costumes in the show.
Side note Lord Rickard owned Steel armour and gold spurs.
When Arya is packing to go to Kings Landing she files where chest with silk and Sansa is fond of blue silk.
In Kings Landing Eddard looked nothing like what he did in the show, he always wore what he called his council silk. Ned also commissions a new uniform for his guards. Long cloaks of heavy grey wool decorated with white satin borders. Their cloaks are pinned with hands of beaten silver representing there Lords office as hand of the King. When he was on the Iron Throne Ned wore a white double embosomed with a grey dire wolf.
In Winterfell at the feast welcoming the King and Royal Family they all dressed grandly, including Benjen Stark. There are high born brothers in the Nights Witch from the north and south and I have never seen one dressed as well as Benjen at that feast, not even Lord Commander Mormont himself. He wears rich black velvet high black leather boots. His wide belt has a silver buckle and very heavy silver chain.
When Bran is attacked by Wildlings he is attacked for what he is wearing and he is second legitimate son and he is wearing a wolfs head broch of silver and jet. Jet is a gemstone and this is not a formal event this is just outriding in the woods.
Jon wears fine blacks and mole skin gloves which would not be cheap. At Winterfell harvest feast Bran is dressed quote, as befits a Prince and Robb wears a bronze crown and Catelyn describes her sons royal Kingly attire as quote magnificent.
Also Theon Greyjoy dressed very well when he was living with Stark in silk and Gold and Balon fears the Starks have made him soft. I doubt Greyjoy money was funding Theon's extravagant lifestyle. When he takes Winterfell he crowns himself Prince of Winterfell and orders and orders a new crown forged with black diamonds and chunks of gold. Where did he get the gold and diamonds if not from Winterfell's plundered treasury. And before Winterfell Bran and Luwin gave the Manderley's gold and build a royal fleet and mint coins.
At the Winterfell harvest feast
Now lets look at Winterfell it is much bigger and much grander than in the show this is a Castle built of granite which is an opulent martial.
Winterfell is a huge castle complex spanning several acres and encircled by two massive granite walls.
Remember the Castle is built over natural hot springs and as the wiki explains.
The water is piped through walls and chambers to heat them, making Winterfell more comfortable than other castles during the harsh northern winters.
Also from the wiki
Inside the walls, the complex is composed of dozens of courtyards and small open spaces. Weapons training and practice take place in those yards. The inner ward is a second, much older open space in the castle where archery practice takes place. It is located next to the broken tower. Inside Winterfell stands the inner castle, which contains the Great Keep and the Great Hall. Winterfell's towers and halls have diamond-shaped window panes.[6]
Inner Castle
The Great Keep is the innermost castle and stronghold of the castle complex. It was built over natural hot springs to keep it warm.[5] The Great Keep contains bedchambers for House Stark[5] as well as the solar of Lord Eddard Stark.[7] The building is connected to the armory by a covered bridge.[8] From a window on the covered bridge, one can see the entire yard.[9] Beneath the Great Keep are cellars with narrow windows.[10]
The Great Hall is used for receiving guests and the place where the household dines together, including the Lord of Winterfell. It is made of grey stone[11] and has wide doors made of oak and iron,[12] which opens to the castle yard, and a rear exit leads to a dimly-lit gallery.[12] Inside it can hold eight long rows of trestle tables, four to each side of the central aisle,[12] and the hall can seat five hundred people.[13] There is a raised platform for noble guests, and the walls are covered with banners.[11] The hall contains the high seat of the old Kings in the North. The seat's cold stone has been polished by the many lords who have sat upon it, and its massive arms are decorated with the carved heads of snarling direwolves.[14][15]
The small sept was built for Lady Catelyn Tully, a southron, by her husband, Lord Eddard.[16]
Courtyard and Other Buildings
The First Keep, a squat and round drum tower, is the oldest surviving part of the castle but is no longer in use. Around it lies a lichyard where the Kings of Winter would bury their loyal servants. The keep has gargoyles atop it.[17][6] Maester Kennet determined it was built after the Andals arrived.[18]
The broken tower, also known as the Burned Tower, was once the tallest watchtower in Winterfell. Over 140 years ago a lightning strike set it afire and the top third collapsed inward, but no one rebuilt it.[19][20] It stands behind the old inner ward. Crows nest atop the broken tower.[19]
The ancient godswood of Winterfell has stood untouched for ten thousand years, with three acres of old packed earth and close-together trees creating a dense canopy, which the castle was built around. At the center of the grove stands an ancient weirwood with a face carved into it, standing over a pool of black water.[16] Across the godswood from the heart tree, beneath the windows of the Guest House, an underground hot spring feeds three small pools, with a moss-covered wall looming above them. The godswood is enclosed by walls, and is accessed by a main iron gate, or smaller wooden ones.
The Glass Gardens[21] is a greenhouse heated by the hot springs, which turn it into a place of moist warmth.[5] It is used to grow fruits, vegetables, and flowers.[9][22] The garden has green and yellow glass panes[10] locked in frames.[8]
The crypt of Winterfell, located near the First Keep, is where members of House Stark are buried. The underground crypts are long and narrow, with pillars moving two by two along its length. Between pillars stand the sepulchers of the Starks of Winterfell, the likenesses of the dead seated on thrones, with iron swords set before them to keep the restless spirits from wandering, and snarling direwolves at their feet. The crypts are deep under the earth, cavernous and bigger than the complex above ground. They are accessed by a twisting stone stair and a huge ironwood door that lies at a slant to the floor. The stair continues below to older levels where the most ancient Kings in the North are entombed.[23][17][10]
The Bell Tower is connected to the rookery by a bridge. The bridge is covered and runs from the fourth floor of the tower to the second floor of the rookery.[6][8]
The maester's turret is below the rookery.[24]
The Library Tower houses the library at Winterfell. A stonework staircase winds about its exterior.[8]
The Guards Hall is in line with the Bell Tower, and further back, the First Keep.[6]
Winterfell has undercrofts and cellars.[25] The castle also has dungeons,[25] including tower cells.[26]
Walls
Winterfell is a huge castle complex spanning several acres, defended by two massive walls of grey granite with a wide moat between them.[4] The outer wall is eighty feet high, while the inner is one hundred feet high.[4] There are guard turrets on the outer wall and more than thirty watch turrets on the crenelated inner walls.
The great main gates[7] have a gatehouse made of two huge crenelated bulwarks which flank the arched gate[8] and a drawbridge that opens into the market square of the winter town.[27][28]
There is a narrow tunnel inside of the inner wall stretching halfway around the castle, allowing travel from the south gate all the way to the north gate without interruption.[19]
The Hunter's Gate is close to the kennels and the kitchens. It opens directly onto open fields and the wolfswood, so people can come and go without having to cross through the winter town. It is favored by hunting parties.[4]
The East Gate[10] or east gate[29] leads to the kingsroad.[10] The Kingsroad Gate[7] may be another name for the same gate.
The Battlements Gate is a small arched postern in the inner wall. It crosses the moat between the walls but does not have a passageway through the outer wall.[7]#
When Jon Snow becomes Lord Commander of the Nights Watch he considers building a glass building but thinks it will be costly and for such fine glass he would need to look Myr and by the freedom of a few glass makers.
We know Sansa loves lemon cakes and lemon trees do not grow naturally in the north importing lemon seeds to Winterfell from the reach or Doren would not be cheap. My guess would be the seeds came form Doren as one need only sail up the narrow sea than the up the White Knife.
Finally Maester Luwin has his own turret and mentions having servents of his own. The Starks top servants have servants
Not as wealthy as the Lannister but it clear Ned and Robb after him where unlike in the show 2 of the wealthiest man in the world.
Still watching but im towards the end, they havent considered anything towards Mance Rayder or the wildlings and Robb, Jon, Stannis, and Davos talking it out and also working something out against the Wight Walkers.
The real Red Wedding was my tears after Bobby B. died. We lost the greatest that day.
I think you guys look at Aegon the conqueror as if the way he gets described in the histories is actually a reflection of reality. I feel like he is only seen as such a badass because he is so deep rooted in the legends of Westeros that people forget the actual history and just look at an idealised version of it. Probably not many revisionist historians in Westeros lol
Y’all forgetting about the true MVP in all this: Michael Bolton.
Littlefinger kills Stannis' wife only to watch Cat marry Stannis and bear him an heir
I dont understand, the wedding happens anyway but Rob knows whats going to happen before hand? How does the wedding go ahead with Edmure?
Walder still wins. Cope harder.