Would Super Earth (Helldivers) Survive in Warhammer 40k?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- This video is a basic thought experiment. Let's put Super Earth (Helldivers 2) in the Warhammer 40K Universe and see how they fare.
00:00 - Intro
01:16 - Organization
06:23 - Space Travel
08:44 - Wargear
11:38 - Diplomacy (lol)
16:25 - Conclusion
Music: Dance of the Cryptek - Mechanicus OST
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Yeah I hate to say it, but Super Earth would get stomped. The Imperium controls the entire civilized galaxy, and they’re just _barely_ holding on by a thread
The Imperium is far too large for it's own good. A smaller Empire like the Tau can survive just fine, because the bulk of the attention is always focused on the Imperium. Super Earth has enough tech and abilities that would permit them to just slip through the cracks.
I feel like a big point on their side is also their ability to reverse engineer stuff and if they managed to ally with the Imperium, they could easily survive.
Like I said on the video, Super Earth fought a worn on THREE FRONTS and WON. That's really impressive, in my opinion.
Counterpoint: Super Earth fought the entire rest of the galaxy.
No, not "most of"
No, not "a lot of"
No, not "the majority of"
The ENTIRE rest of the galaxy. By themselves. The bugs, cyborgs, and illuminates weren't fighting one another, and they owned the ENTIRE rest of the galaxy in the First Galactic War.
The Imperium struggles while controlling 60% of the Milky Way.
Super Earth bodied its way through the entire Milky Way, conquered and defeated all their foes, then REINTRODUCED THEM so they would have MORE enemies to fight.
Super Earth can't even fall to Chaos, due to managed democracy.
@@ZeroNumerous That doesnt mean anything since these two fictional worlds are populated by different kinds of factions and enemies. Just pecause super earth thrived in their version of the milky way doesnt mean they are necessarily well equipped to deal with the shit the 40K milky way is packing
@@RedHierophant23While that’s partially right the Tau are a faction that is only alive due to being neglected by other major factions, they are nearly invisible to chaos and that kept them safe early on, Super Earth citizens would have bright souls and would attract the full wrath of chaos along with whatever enemies are nearby, their biggest assets are their ftl travel and fleets, their ground soldiers stand no chance against anything other than the most basic infantry of each faction, they’d live as long as they went unnoticed but the Helldivers and Super Earth the most hostile obnoxious force in their galaxy so they likely won’t be quite and be put down by nearest 40K faction they find
@@ZeroNumerousManaged Democracy wouldn’t remove human emotions and tactics, plus the forces they dealt with are far weaker compared to 40K forces, if they up their tech they could maybe keep up, but they legitimately have nothing to deal with bullshit like a Bloodthirster
Super Earth spawns into the 40k universe. 5 minutes later the Helldivers are an Imperial regiment on par with the Elysian Drop Troopers with double the fanaticism because the God Emperor is the ultimate manager of democracy. That or Super Earth gets a tour of the webway offered by the Drukharii. Whoever notices them first.
Helldivers have alot more combined arms advantage for every soldier, they most likely would lose just to the amount of industry and manpower the imperium has however.
IF they fought the Imperium, yes. That's probably the worst choice they could make though.
This was great and provoked a lot of thought like below.
I don't disagree that Super Earth's intelligence and propaganda arms could handle Chaos' corrupting ways, but I guess I'd disagree that the they would not see the warp and chaos as possible resources to exploit. Especially keeping in mind(if I remember correctly) that the Emperor used warp manipulation to make the original Primarchs, the Ministry of Humanity may consider interacting with Tzeench to get psycher soldiers or the Ministry of Science and Truth may consider tapping into Tzeench to see how that God works. Ministry of Humanity and Science may consider studying Nurgle's ability to shrug off illness and damage; Prosperity may be convinced Slaanesh might make the people more content(if Prosperity tilt's its head when it looks at Slaanesh); and Ministry of Defense and Truth might enjoy how much Khorne get's their Helldivers reaved up for the fight.
I think you're entirely right about the Mechanicus wanting to take Super Earth's stuff, but I don't know if the Empire at large wouldn't see the Super Earth as just another set of rebellious worlds. Which does beg the question of scale. Helldivers are a galactic sized empire(if I remember correctly), did all of them get transported or just Super Earth itself in this scenario?
In this scenario, I basically transported the most populated systems under Super Earth's control. Trying to harness Chaos is a one way road to corruption though, but it's interesting to consider what would happen exactly.
@@RedHierophant23 I actually think that a single system would work out better for Super Earth. Like Rome, they are obviously capable of expanding to empire status from just one small place(comparatively), and if they started off fighting all over the galaxy at once before knowing what is happening, they may just be strained for resources and spread thin like the Imperium.
Even though a Chaos take over of Super Earth would be interesting, I think your concept of a new Chaos god of "Managed Democracy" coming into existence is far more a interesting concept. Part of me wonders if it would eventually take over the AI as that is the core of Managed Democracy in a similar way that the Emperor's throne acts like a beacon that can sometime emanate cryptic messages.
I think the retro-engineering of the Super Earth is its major advantage. In the Imperium, the use of Xeno technology is considered heresy, but Super Earth has no such problems. Whatever they could find in Aeldar, Necrons or Tau worlds, they would surely use.
About the average guardman. Do not mistake conscripts and normal guards. Some regiments are even pretty much elites in themselves with a long history of veterancy and specialists like: Elysean Troops, Armaggeddon Steel Legion, Catachan jungle fighters,... Medias often show them as pitiable and unskilled to show off how great the Space Marines are. But the Guard hold the line and win where Marines ran away in the deep lore. Some SM chapters are very infamous for refusing to help because they don't want to suffer loss -> Iron Hands.
Fun Fact: The lasgun you look down upon can be sacrificed as an improvised grenade to take down a space marine or at least incapacitate him.
Thank you for reading my little rant.
idea : would forgotten realm's faerun survive in warhammer 40k (including the several planes of dnd as well)
I feel like they would fit Fantasy or Age of Sigmar better, but Forgotten Realm's powerlevel is all over the place, so it's difficult to tell.
@@RedHierophant23 fair point.
Maybe the xeelee books would be more ideal
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You're the second person who has mentioned Xeelee. Now I definitely have to check it out.
Although I disagree with it that was a damn well made video, props 👍
To be honest, I tried to give the benefit of the doubt to Super Earth a couple of times, because they have the capability to "adapt" pretty well.
But it can really go either way.
They’d make a good guards unit
Really cool video! I learned a lot about Helldivers' universe here than anywhere else. And funny to see that, in general, Super Earth would not be an "easy prey" in general.
But, just so you know, WH40K was the cruelest setting I've ever seen - until it came to my little knowledge the Xeelee's series. Let's just say, to not take so long as I usually do in your videos, that not even the unified Necron's dinasties would have a chance there as far as I know...
Xeelee? Interesting. I might check that out later.
I think the imperium would let them join just to get that space drive system so as to avoid the warp and travel anywhere instantly.
I firmly believe the Helldivers 2 achieve a WAAAAH! The fanaticism for Managed Democracy would somehow tap into the immaterium similar to how the Sisters of Battle can call miracles down through their fervor.
Yeah I think they might be able to work out a deal with the imperium for their tech, but if not than imperium would dirt stomp them.
the imperium itself doesnt even know how the tech they have works. they just know how to MAKE it. they cant improve, alter or repair it at all.
I disagree with how Chaos would be able to be resisted with managed democracy, while it does make sense the issue is Super Earth citizens aren’t lobotomized drones who think only of managed democracy, they still have wants and aspirations, and being human those wants would be projected into the warp and attract Chaos’s attention, Super Earth’s violent and war like nature would attract Khorne, and the scheming higher ups managing the propaganda would gain Tzeentch or possible Slaannesh attention, their wargear is diverse but has 2 major issues, 1.Being very comparable to real life gear, while that works for Kreig that’s more because of how many bodies they can throw at their problems, 2. They get all their wargear from fleets, if any faction boards their allies ship they loose out on most of their wargear and artillery. They also have nothing to combat psykers, or dent stronger faction units outside of heavy artillery, I would love to see how a titan would handle certain stratagem fire though
Here are some groups from other scifi settings i think could at least survive in 40k or interesting to consider
Star wars
The sith empire from the tor era
The republic from the tor era
The rakata
The celestials
The galactic empire
The new republic
The hutt empire
StarCraft factions
Halo factions
Gundam verse
Hand out their FTL jumping tech and maybe imperium will protect them for that
63-19. Nuff said. XD
But Muh titans! (ICBM)
But Muh Psykers! (guns work just fine on shielded Illuminates)
But Muh Fortress worlds! (Every. Single. Super destroyer carries enough ordinance to obliterate a 'small moon' according to random ship master dialogue.)
In all due seriousness, Super Earth is more 40k (or perhaps 30k) than most may want to consider (I mean your super destroyers are manufactured on *Mars* for liberty's sake!) but sleeker and better organized, complete with technological regression too!
Example: Reinforcing in the first galactic war was possible due to 'Flash Cloning', while Reinforcing in Helldivers 2 is possible because when you finish your training you are the last of a ship load of trainees who are all issued to the same ship (further reinforced by the Democracy officer dialogue "I only regret that I have but one ships worth of lives to give to our cause")
Now, go out there and make your (Duly & fairly elected) Emperor proud.
You say that like that stuff doesn’t all exist in the 40K universe as well, only cranked up to 11. Guns exists in 40K, yet Psykers are still a very real threat. Cadia took the brunt of countless chaos incursions, many led by ships that could more than destroy a moon with the firepower they held, and still stood firm. Deathstrike missiles, virus bombs, cyclonic torpedos, all of these cause massive devastation but yet, aren’t a “push button to win” weapon. The 40K universe is overpowered to the extreme, and that’s half of the fun of it. The Imperium encounters civilizations with better tech and soldiery than Super Earth in the Great Crusade and all of them are no more. I think Super Earth would put up a solid fight in the 40K galaxy, but would likely ground down by the sheer weight of all that is trying to kill them. Tyranids and Necrons alone would be a nightmare, as they are for any faction that encounters them, and their lack of knowledge on what Chaos is/can do would be a serious detriment and leave them open for corruption/possession.
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Exactly, to add to your comment: a lot of people underestimate just how OP Chaos is. It slowly builds up it's preasence in a culture until it reaches critical mass and begins overtaking it.
The 30k era Imperium had knowledge of Chaos, how to fight it, resist it, root it out, track it, ID it, etc and it still nearly wiped the floor.
After building up for 50 odd years in a single Legion & primarch it began it's moves and corrupted 8 other nearly god like geniuses & their legions, most of the Mechanicum, more than half of the regular human population and over the course of 7 to 8 years it nearly won the war against the Emperor.
To illustrate how quickly Chaos can spread it's influence in the novel Fulgrim it took a single interaction for the primarch to be completely enthralled to the Daemon which had been bound in the Laer blade, a regular human has an exactly 0% chance to resist Chaos corruption, especially if they just discover it and have no idea about it.
bullets do work on psykers, if they are not projecting a psychic shield, watch astartes. psykers can also tear holes in reality (on purpose or accident) summoning eldritch horrors from hell (chaos daemons) which are not particularly susceptible to damage, think ethereal ghost with physical bullets passing through harmlessly, hence daemon hunters with specialist equipment, they dont die either, just go back to hell for time out.
titans have star ship grade energy shields. watch the horus heresy trailer to get an idea.
fortress worlds have ground based lasers designed for destroying ships in the void of space.
thats not getting into necrons, or astartes. 1 on 1 hell divers are likely the equivalent of a tempestus scion skill and equipment wise.
Psykers can actively stop projectiles with their minds, illuminates aren’t the same as psykers, curious how heavy ordinance works Titans, it exists in 40K but they are still viable, can be chalked up to plot but still, and destroying a small moon
, and the exterminatus from the Imperium are different levels, especially since inquisition carriers have enough ammunition to glass several unreliable worlds. Actually if you think about it, Bile Titans and automaton Stalkers (AT&AT things) are tiny versions of titans that can survive 500KG bombs so Super Earth likely doesn’t have anything that can effectively take out a titan
@@brickphone8069 dont forget imperial titans are also equipped with void shields so they would have to get through those first before hitting the titan itself
9:30 as far as I know that's not entirely correct. Imperial soldiers are trained moderately well by default unless they are unlucky enough to be thrown into a battle as newbies. Which is also logical, I mean what else do they do all day on ships or in military camps. train.
The problem they have is that they usually fight against creatures that are superhuman, have better technology,
are more in number or
have special powers. and that makes them worse off than they actually are.
But they're not cannon fodder like, what do I know, hormagaunts.
Their training can easily be compared with the standard training of our soldiers on Earth, and even better depending on the regiment.
And their weapon technology isn't bad either, it just depends on what the soldier was trained for and what he's given, although even the classic laser rifle isn't as bad a weapon as people like to talk about (flashlight in some old codex), only in that In Warhammer World there are many weapons that are superior to the laser rifle in terms of penetration.
The armor is ok, it usually only protects parts of the body and is not intended to permanently ward off direct fire like servo armor. it's actually not that good compared to the armament.
I think they are described worse here than they are standard in the lore. It depends a lot on which regiment it is, but the average person should be a good soldier who has to work in a universe where there are too many creatures that are superior to humans.
I think it REALLY depends on the regiment, more than anything. For example, the Cadian Regiment are absolute monsters compared to the "average" guardsman. That's kinda my point, there are a lot of regiments that are exceptional, but as a baseline, guardsman get "stronger" by experience, not because they are particularly well-trained. Hell, most of the regiments don't have the TIME to be well-trained, they are drafted as soon as they can handle their lasgun.
And about their equipment:
It really is that bad when you compare to what Helldivers have access to.
TBD
9:32 not true most guardsmen are extremely competent the guardsmen that you're thinking of are white shields who, if they are lucky, get a week of training there on pare with helldivers including valkerys leman russes helldivers are just a imperial guard regiment
Not a chance
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Super earth would win!!! Remember everything is canon. And since super earth humans are different from 40k their souls aren’t bright. Plus the most definitive factor. No matter Wich side at the moment of victory they loose
The fictional factions that are made for the 40K universe have difficulty surviving it, so... No.
NOPE
Dude helldivers barely survive in their own game lmao 🤣
You seems to know your helldivers law but none of 40k so, no, helldivers would be dead on the first in counter with any thing from 40k
It depends on the circumstances. If the Tau can survive in Warhammer 40k, then I think Super Earth has a chance, at the very least.
Seriously 😂😂😂😂why are we even speculating?? No😂😂 the answer is hell no
Because Super Earth fought the entire rest of the Milky Way galaxy by themselves. I'll repeat that: Super Earth beat the ENTIRE REST OF THE GALAXY by themselves.
@@ZeroNumerous oh wow the entire milkyway galaxy, what about things from other galaxies? or other realms of existences? or even things possibly from the future? all at once while fighting everything in the milkyway galaxy.
@@ZeroNumeroussingle cthan shard 🗿