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The ONLY Legion that WON the Horus Heresy
The Word Bearers, also known the XVIIth Legion and formerly known as the Imperial Heralds or Iconoclasts, are the the zealous sons of Lorgar and the first legion to fall to Chaos. Today we dive into their history and try to understand their motives.
00:00 - Iconoclasm
06:21 - Faith
11:20 - Zeal
16:06 - Monarchia
21:52 - Heresy
25:38 - End
Music: Mechanicus OST - Dance of the Cryptek
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  • @Lyriiic
    @Lyriiic 28 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Same could be said for every space marine

  • @mfreed40k
    @mfreed40k 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Tired of these poorly AI narrated 'lore' channels.

  • @writingraven2503
    @writingraven2503 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My Legion is not cowardly 😝

  • @Omni-Man
    @Omni-Man 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Alpharius is dead, killed by Dorne. Omegon is missing. Alpharius was discovered before Horus but kept secret, GW retconned/added to the existing lore.

  • @quanghungtran3581
    @quanghungtran3581 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is this AI content?

  • @user-lx5iv5cw1w
    @user-lx5iv5cw1w 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Being good at the rough job is rewarded in more rough work. They sieged too well for their own good.

  • @majordomo477
    @majordomo477 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Creating the imperial cult and the Horus heresy. A lot of the imperium’s problems can be chalked up to Lorgar

  • @Kayamaninc
    @Kayamaninc 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ai voice

  • @michaelnguyen9221
    @michaelnguyen9221 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The more I learn about the Iron Warriors and their mindset, the more I believe that a combined force of Krieg Guardsmen and Iron Warrior Astartes would be unstoppable.

  • @danced834
    @danced834 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    is he really reading this or is it an AI?

  • @TomFynn
    @TomFynn 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The creation of the Primarchs always reminds me of the old adage: "Never hand someone a gun unless you are very sure where they are going to point it."

  • @theezekarion164
    @theezekarion164 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why can only a select few make this lore sound anything but SleepY!!!

  • @subtoskullswornofkhorne6131
    @subtoskullswornofkhorne6131 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always been a big fan of old hot rods, love the big shining grills.. i guess its no surprise i really like the legion that looks like they armored one, then put it on 😂

  • @lonl123
    @lonl123 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I just finished all the siege of terra books a few days ago....I guess I'm in the minority as I didn't have an issue with Erda, the one that really irritates me is John Grammaticus. And of course, he's the only one of all the characters who has an American accent....lol. Also, I wasn't up on the existing lore about the scattering before I started the books, so for me it was the first explanation of what the scattering was all about...so for me it didn't cause any issues. Her character arc was very limited though...I do agree that it would of been better if they could have fleshed her out some more. Could of been really good if they fleshed out the back story like her relationship with Big E etc.

  • @cb2291
    @cb2291 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't consider them traitors, the emperor betrayed Lorgar first

  • @theodoremccarthy4438
    @theodoremccarthy4438 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes they won. They got what they wanted out of it, freedom from the Imperium and service to the gods. Horus ended up dead, the Emperor ended up crippled, Lorgar ended up immortal. There is no questioning their victory in that context.

  • @johnhickman8391
    @johnhickman8391 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lorgar is technically the only heresy winner. He found the gods/god he was searching for, created the religion to go along with it all. A religion thriving still over 10k years later.

  • @astroboy6515
    @astroboy6515 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My dad was listening as I played this video. He asked if you were Joe Biden giving a speech. Sorry man

  • @Alexanderofthe9th
    @Alexanderofthe9th 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It always cracks me up how word bearers are always seen as the weaker legionaires by their traitor allies, despite having the largest and most well supplied legion after end of the heresy besides maybe the death gaurd.

  • @BewareTheCarpenter
    @BewareTheCarpenter 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They were chosen for seige and garrison missions, neglecting the need for rest and reorganization... Isn't garrison duty a pretty good chance to rest usually?

  • @seanreaper8344
    @seanreaper8344 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Am I the only one that finds it funny that Lorgar Could’ve stayed loyalist if he simply converted to the Mechanicus religion and spread the faith that way. I doubt the Emperor would burn a Mechanicus world like he did to Lorgars world if only because the whole of the Mechanicus would rebel and that would lead to a Chaos victory.

  • @user-ud8ux9cr8m
    @user-ud8ux9cr8m 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nah, bunch of losers.

  • @RecklessBikesTV
    @RecklessBikesTV 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Iron within, Iron without.

  • @ditmarvanbelle1061
    @ditmarvanbelle1061 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They not only won; they also, like Fabius Bile, perform exactly as they were designed by the Emperor.

  • @paulussturm6572
    @paulussturm6572 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Look, as much as I hate what they’ve become, the truth is that they and their primarch were right and Big E lied. Lorgar had a bunch of flaws, but what really did him in was that he knew he was right and couldn’t understand why not only did everyone reject his theses but openly ridiculed them when they were so obviously correct. Big E’s excuse for burning Monarchia down was laughable. “You’re too slow”. Yeah, but when the WBs conquered a world and then remade it, you could pretty much just fuck off and never touch it again. You got a model Imperial planet whose loyalty was all but guaranteed wherever they set foot. Mutiny was functionally unimaginable. And guess what? Everything humanity has in 40k, they owe it to Lorgar. His work is the only reason we’ve survived Big E being turned into a golden psychic artichoke. We can hate them alright, god knows they deserve it, but they’re undoubtedly the most competent legion by far, they’re literally carrying TWO WHOLE MORTALLY OPPOSED FACTIONS.

  • @coldbastard6859
    @coldbastard6859 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They won the Heresy but lost themselves in turn.

  • @Daimon-X
    @Daimon-X 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The only true victors of the Horus Heresy were Ruinous Powers. The Long War has begun. That was the goal of The Primodial Anihilator from the get go. Let the galaxy burns and the Great game last forever.

  • @doctorfunk7959
    @doctorfunk7959 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yep, you guessed it... it was Orks, Orks won da horse's hershey

  • @marqs2065
    @marqs2065 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They won twice: First when the Emperror was wounded Second when the Imperium adopted the Lectitio Divinitatus

  • @Shadowoftheoldones
    @Shadowoftheoldones 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lorgar couldn't live with the fact that he'd waged holy war on his own home world in the service of a god emperor who didn't want his worship. It's why he never embraced the imperial truth, and why he went out looking to validate the old faith of his homeworld (chaos worship) after the emperor rebuked him at Monarchia. It's not only that he was devoted to the pursuit of truth, but also that he couldn't live with the fact that he'd slaughtered his own people in the service of a lie. If it feels like Lorgar "won" it's probably because he did get his revenge, whatever it cost him and the galaxy as a whole.

  • @username12120
    @username12120 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lorgar and the Word Bearers did nothing wrong, and Calth was an act of self defense!

  • @vsupreme9386
    @vsupreme9386 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've said it before that Logar won. Humanity worships the emperor like a god just like Logar originally was doing

  • @filthersea3664
    @filthersea3664 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Day one of me asking for iron hands

    • @RedHierophant23
      @RedHierophant23 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think the only traitor legion left are the Sons of Horus, after that, who knows?

  • @mr.unfunny329
    @mr.unfunny329 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would be so cool to see the word bearers make a big return in present setting. Their aesthetic is really so cool and theyd do a much better job at the front seat of chaos than the black legion, which are frankly a bit boring in comparison.

  • @theprelate4219
    @theprelate4219 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The problem is that the Emperor is a hypcorite or possibly even a liar. He never understood the people he sought to rule and thereby doomed mankind. One must remember that even at it's height the Imperium was a pale shadow of the glories that had come before. Lorgar was ultimately right about the Emperor, Horus, and his brothers. Of all the doctrines of Chaos his is the only one that establishes an equal relationship with the Gods. Word Bearers do not become slaves to the powers as do those who follow one specific deity nor do they wallow in pointless bitterness as do other renegade factions. They acknowledge that even God's must be kept in line and thus the ordering of Faith through religion is necessary.

    • @minhducnguyen9276
      @minhducnguyen9276 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have always seen the emperor's plan as flawed from the beginning. Instead of learning how to make AI more reliable he straight up ditched them but his plan to progress humanity without AI is a dead end from the beginning. Humans without AI simply cannot compete with other races in 40k, Eldars are smarter, Orks are stronger and Necron both. The baseline humans simply can't keep up with those races our golden age was shorter than that of the Eldar and the Imperium golden age is even shorter still. There are only two ways to resist Chaos in 40k, not relying on the warp like the Tau or Necron or become strong psykers like the Ork, Tyranid or even Eldars to fight the influence of the warp. Humanity stuck in the middle and not only we don't benefits from Warp like the Eldars we also get the vulnerability of weak psykers which the Necron and Tau don't suffer from. Now the lore implied that humanity had been evolving to become strong psykers and the emperor wanted to guide that evolutionary process. But the problem is I'm not sure if the emperor knows how to do that because such a transition has never happened in 40k as both Eldars and Orks didn't become strong psykers but are created that way from the beginning.

    • @theprelate4219
      @theprelate4219 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@minhducnguyen9276 The worst of it is that we learn the Men of Iron were more like the Matrix than Skynet. They only wanted to be treated with respect. If you simply treat AI as sentient when it becomes sentient there are no issues. The Votann don't have a problem with their AI.

    • @minhducnguyen9276
      @minhducnguyen9276 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@theprelate4219 The emperor flaw is he is not human and therefore doesn't work the way normal humans would. Humans are social animals cooperation is the way human work. But that requires the emperor to put his sons into important positions and admit that there are certain things that they can do better than him, not because they are genetically gifted but because they are not burdened with other tasks. But this created a problem, either they become too important, like Gulliman at the present, that the emperor can't get rid of them like in his original plan or they are useless, like Lorgar, also according to his plan. But if they are important then they deserve to get the authority they needed to perform their tasks and if they are useless, then why must they take part in the construction of a society where they will have no place instead of demolishing it? Malcador is also manipulative in this regard, he didn't like Gulliman and Lionel because they are doing their jobs but he liked Lorgar because he's a psyker. And it played out exactly like that, Gulliman was disappointed that the emperor withheld crucial information that could have helped him saying the Imperium and Lorgar could not take it and snapped. Hell even the well tempered Khan realized that he'd have no place in an Imperium at peace and left. Not to mention Khan said the Imperium wouldn't work anyway knowing what kind of person the emperor is.

  • @sirgideonofnir6840
    @sirgideonofnir6840 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Do not worship me as a god" says the giant man clad in gold with halos and is pretty much unrivaled in every aspect and and is immortal.

    • @ZeRo-bx7lp
      @ZeRo-bx7lp 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He should have just made a galactic social media and post dumbass clips of himself in there. That would break the illusion real quick

    • @kojilinx4519
      @kojilinx4519 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ZeRo-bx7lp "Hi! I'm the Emperor and this is exterminatus!" *Ques up Jackass theme song*

  • @xxnoxx-xp5bl
    @xxnoxx-xp5bl 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Souless AI.

  • @hunterkillerxyz
    @hunterkillerxyz 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If the imperium has the Ultramarines serving as the gold standard for Loyalist Astartes legions, then the Word Bearers are the most quintessential Chaos Space marines that ever were. I’m honestly shocked how sparingly they get represented considering how pivotal their role in the story is

    • @orcho141
      @orcho141 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Isn't the black legion essentially chaos version of the ultramarines?

    • @minhducnguyen9276
      @minhducnguyen9276 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@orcho141 In terms ideology, the Word Bearers are the opposite of the Ultramarines not the Black Legion. The Ultramarines wanted to build a secular and advanced society while the Words Bearers wanted to build a religious one ( worshipping the emperor before the heresy and Chaos after). The Black Legion couldn't care less what they would do after destroying the imperium.

    • @fix0the0spade
      @fix0the0spade 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@orcho141 I always thought of the Black Legion as being like the Dark Angels (and 'successors'). They are a vast, amorphous force split far and wide across the galaxy, striking seemingly at random, pursuing a vague series of objectives that only their leaders have any clear idea of. The Word Bearers strive for unity, discipline and organisation, which is very like the Ultramarines. Both of them even follow a sacred tome.

    • @orcho141
      @orcho141 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @fix0the0spade both of you have a better case than me. I was coming from a position of "they're both the most numerous, and basically the most 'default' chapter of their respective factions." Alas, both your analysis and such is better thought out than mine

  • @mega-bustershepard5537
    @mega-bustershepard5537 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite Legion and Primarch.

  • @cesarerinaldi6750
    @cesarerinaldi6750 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    ⚪🤍 If Rogal Dorn is the Latin Catholic then Lorgar Aurelian is the Greek Orthodox. And that's why the name of his Legion, the Word Bringers (Word Bearers + Truth Bringers). (Byzantine Crusader type)

  • @cesarerinaldi6750
    @cesarerinaldi6750 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🤍⚪ The Emperor (if the Molech event is not created by the Alpha Legion) once entered the Warp valiantly fought the Dark Gods with his faith and devotion, conquering within himself the last pure light that still shone in the dimension now consumed, becoming in fact the true and just God of humanity. Is it too much from the outset to show him aware that having religious faith in him is vital to defending against Chaos? I really think not. How does the Emperor, during the Council of Nikea, convince his sons of the importance of Librarians? Using as example Lorgar Aurelian himself. Plus, to help Leman Russ and Mortarion himself understand, alongside his Custodes he has his new Grey Knights (with their Chapter Master Janus)! Since the Emperor is the God of Humanity, thanks to Lorgar Aurelian all of Colchis is freed and purified from the cult of Chaos (thanks to his colchisian crusaders led by the true and pious Erebus: Truth Bearers). Lorgar Aurelian is the one who then founds the Ecclesiarchy with his Crusader Order: the Frateris Militaris. Lorgar Aurelian is like Ascalon Troyes, equal to Rogal Dorn and Sanguinius! (Illuminarum is not a maul but a mace) If Rogal Dorn is the Latin Catholic then Lorgar Aurelian is the Greek Orthodox. And that's why the name of his Legion, the Word Bringers (Word Bearers + Truth Bringers). (Byzantine Crusader type) Primarch Ulysses II Legion Iron Snakes Homeworld Ithaka; Primarch Casmero XI Legion Silver Skulls Homeworld Varsavia. The Emperor uses the Traitors's Gene Seed to recreate the fallen Legions: The new III Legion are the Red Scorpions (Primarch Devortus Gault, Homeworld Zaebus), the new IV Legion are the Minotaurs (Primarch Thesephae, Homeworld Artherion), the new VIII Legion are the Black Dragons (Primarch Murad Agha, Homeworld Burso), the new XIV Legion are the Mortifactors (Primarch Arpaza, Homeworld Posul), the new XV Legion are the Blood Ravens (Primarch Mikael Corveda, Homeworld Aurelia), the new XVI Legion are the Doom Eagles (Primarch Severin, Homeworld Cailleach), the new XX Legion are the Carcharodons (Primarch Dakuali, Homeworld Temeura).

  • @darkquaesar2460
    @darkquaesar2460 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The emperor should have never touched their church.

  • @VoodooToad
    @VoodooToad 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    great vid, you've earned a sub.

  • @warrenweaver6664
    @warrenweaver6664 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lorgar “Father Lied”

  • @davidsavage3120
    @davidsavage3120 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thumbnail is a bit suss.

  • @joeyk3134
    @joeyk3134 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    NO SHIT!? BAD GUYS ARE BAD???

  • @BedeBowman
    @BedeBowman 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The stated goal of the Word Bearers was to bring the entirety of mankind to the worship of Chaos, and ultimately creating an evolution of humanity where every human was possessed and in direct communion with the Gods. They clearly have not achieved this goal.

    • @behemoth9543
      @behemoth9543 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That was certain characters goal, not that of the Word Bearers as a whole. If anyone can speak to what the goals of the Legion as a whole are its Lorgar, not Argel Tal for example. If the Word Bearers have failed, noone else can claim to have won. Half of humanity clings to faith of the emperor in accordance with Lorgars old teachings and the other worships Chaos - a total and complete victory of their ideology if not the people that have spread it.

  • @michaelgautreaux3168
    @michaelgautreaux3168 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The 17th are tools...😂

  • @ginghinaandrei5013
    @ginghinaandrei5013 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Imperial """Truth"""

  • @charlesman8722
    @charlesman8722 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    “Won” is that what we call being perused by a Deamon Raven Primarch on your home turf??

    • @brandonstapley9251
      @brandonstapley9251 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I guess he won the play stupid games and win stupid prizes championship lol😅😅😂

    • @NeloBladeOfRanni
      @NeloBladeOfRanni 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except lorgar isn't locked away in his tower anymore can you imperium simps come up with any actual new memes

    • @joseestevezhernandez558
      @joseestevezhernandez558 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@NeloBladeOfRannithey cannot

    • @passchen-fail3704
      @passchen-fail3704 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Only when they stop being obsessed with shovels and happy gas masks. Truly sad, truly sad, sadly true

    • @Mondy667
      @Mondy667 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The current lore is that Lorgar has returned and is leading the Word Bearers again, stop relying on outdated memes