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Maybe I am late after 4 months, but iI gonna leave my own (un)qualified thought on this. People may correct me cause I don´t know to much about 40k, but a thing or two about Helldivers. And I had a smiliar talk with friends once, who are into HD and 40K. First of all. I don´t think that Helldivers are really poorly trained. Every Helldiver was a SEAF member before and as far as I know, only the best ones get to the Helldiver training. Now this may be just speculation, but I also don´t think that the training in HD2 is the only training a Helldiver gets, as it serves the purpose to introduce the game mechanics to the player. Most things we learn there, should be things every normal SEAF soldier already knows. But yeah, they are still meant to be expendable, but if they are really so poorly trained, Super Earth could just send normal soldiers with a smiliar low amount of training. And why freeze your elite soldiers for later use, if they are so cheap and poor trained? Even with the low life expectancy of a Helldiver, we shouldn´t forget that a average Helldiver is capaple to deal with dozens to hundrets of enemys much bigger and stronger than him, because even arsenal without orbital or Eagle fire is quite strong and impressive. And we once pointed out, in an argument Helldivers vs Space Marines, you´d see some red beacons followed by orbital lasers and railcannon strikes. How would a SM defend if the railcannon is locked on his head? 4 eagles flying around dropping 500kg and clusters while 380mm shells and orbital napalm rains down. (best loadout in the game btw. take 380, linear barrage, orbital napalm and 120, throw it all into one place and grab some popcorn. for maximum democracy, all 4 Divers should do this) But I have to disagree to the argument every single Helldiver gets his own destroyer. That´s not the case. During a mission, when a diver dies, they out another one out of the cryo sleep and send him to dive. There are probably more on each destroyer. Lore wise I would say maybe even up to a hundret, given to that we can see many cryo pods on the destroyer. Gameplay wise I´d say at least 5 per destroyer, as we have 20 reinforcements, 5 with each player joining a match. But still I agree that the Super Destroyer is the best weapon Super Earth has. FTL jumps are absolutely OP as stated in the video. From nearly every threat, if to overhwhelming, they can just retreat in the blink of an eye. And we saw that, when Meridia got soaked into the black hole. That we created. Another reason for Super Earth. What stops them from doing the same again against a enemy in the 40K universe? Now, with the acutual major order about the construction of the Democratic Space Station there might come another powerful weapon to the hands of Super Earth. But the entire weaponry of a Super Destroyer is might the wants to be reckoned. Even though the destroyes itselfes are not that big. The orbital barrages, laser and railcannon can shred about everything, now imagine not only 4, but thousands of them at the same mission, which would be needed if fighting against the Imperium for example. Super Earth probably wouldn´t keep sending 4 man squads as in the current galactic war. And I bet every Space Marine (take the actual SM2 game) would be happy to have close fire support like Eagle. And we should not forget Pelicans cannon either. That thing can fuck up even Bile Titans. All in all, I think I agree with the video, Super Earth would be able to hold itself in 40K. They have some surprises in their pockets. But I also might be wrong with what I said, so maybe someone can correct it.

The helldivers and super earth as a power in the galaxy with the combine force of troops they have at their disposal with the arms they have on each person would stand a chance, the sheer number of helldivers willing to fight for democracy would put up a hell of a fight but i think it would fall down to how fast the ministry of defense and science could reverse engineer equipment suitable to face the powerful threats that come after the ways of managed democracy, if they fail to keep up or decide to start war with a faction they arent ready to face than it would mean super earths certain demise in the hellscape of the 40k universe

Directly from the wiki, I was following along.

I like these guys and Peter Turbo because they're the embodiment of all my worst personality traits. It doesn't help that I'm an industrial engineer irl, the discipline centered around optimizing shit as much as possible.

My answer to all this ppl: “The emperor protects”

Honestly. I’d say the Helldivers and super Earth would be part of the imperium. They’d be like a more advanced version of the Elysian shock troops.

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Man I hate 30k space wolves.

The Heldivers are well trained, but are also thrown into the most hostile environments possible

Yeah Super Earth is getting no differ especially when their gear gets nerfed down for being reliable.

Super Earth honestly kind of wins 40k. They can completely Chaos and Genestealer immune thanks to their extremely high control over population. They might lack a proper space marine, sure, but I riddle you this - what will happen when a Helldiver throws a Railcannon at a Marine? You get a dead Marine. Imperium only has around 2 million Marines after the Primaris project. Even if each Helldiver died instantly after that one throw, Super Earth can spam a few million Helldivers and not really feel the difference. Also, I highly disagree with the threat of Dark Eldar - Imperium's reaction speed is INCREDIBLY slow. A planet will on average get reinforced after 2 years (yes, YEARS) after the distress call is sent and only when it is a full scale invasion. Super Earth usually knows what is happening within minutes and responds also within minutes, simply because of how fast their FTL is. Dark Eldar get annihilated every single time they try to raid any SE planet. Super Earth is literally like Dark Eldar on mega steroids. They warp in a stupid amount of ships. Those ships all deploy Helldivers on the surface. The planet get's conquered within 1-2 days on average. Imperium responds quickly and sends a fleet in 3 months. Now several things can happen - either SE tries to contest this, or gives up. If it gives up, the planet get's reconquered literally days after the Imperial fleet leaves and everything goes back to square one for the Imperium. If SE tries to contest, then the fighting looks like this: SE warps in a stupid amount of small ships all at once, they all fire a few salvos and instantly jump out. Imperium has basically no ability to deal with this sort of space warfare. Sure, some SE ships will get destroyed, but they have an EXTREMELY efficient war industry even in comparison to the real world - compared to the Imperium, there is abslutely no contest, SE just outproduces them per capita maybe even hundreds to one. The other option is that Imperium will deploy a stupid amount of Guardsmen to garrison a planet, after it had been conquered and reconquered several times. In that case, SE can simply... Nuke the planet into oblivion. It's not like they lack explosives - a single 170 m long Super Destoryer can level a small moon, taking a few thousands and firing at one planet will rip it's surface apart. After finally realising that ALL fights against Super Earth will look like that, Imperium does the only winning move they can - assemble a large fleet and send it to siege Super Earth's core worlds one by one. This fleet can not be intercepted until it enters the system, because of how Warp travel works, but in general Imperial ships usually leave warp at the edge of the star system to not collide with anything by an accident. This is now a test of kill speed basically - can Super Earth destroy huge Imperial ships fast enough that the siege fails? Super Earth will of course use the rapid jump in and out tactics, as it is the most sensible for them. Here, I believe that Imperium in general has enough ships to successfuly siege and destroy/capture those worlds. But it does not have enough ships to do this while at the same time dealing with all other factions. Imperium wins 1v1, but loses in actual setting. The fleet retreats, defeated. SUper Earth wins vs Imperium Super Earth wins vs Eldar of all varieties, as they do what Eldar do, but way better. Mechanicus might have Arks that will be problematic, but nothing SE can't handle with jump swarming. Orks are honestly laughable. It would be like fighting Imeprium that can not shoot back properly. Yeah, they are more numerous and usually tougher, but that does not really make a difference for jump swarming in space and airstrikes on the surface. Tau lose, unless they can reverse-engineer Super Earth's FTL. Even then, SE has higher population control and is more militarised than Tau. Tyranids are a problem for sure. They can deal with a hive fleet, but several at once will most likely cost them a lot. Necrons are the only actual threat. SE "technically" can deal with a World Engine by injecting it with Dark Fluid enough, but it is not a realistic option. Overall, Necron tech is simply better than SE's and their reaction time can make them a massive problem for jump swarming tactics. So yeah. They not only survive - they THRIVE. As long as they do not piss off Necrons too much.

Word Bearers' favorite quote from prehistoric records of Man: "Checkmate, atheists!" Also it's kinda ironic that the Inquisition was born from the fruits of labor of the most demoic of all Chaos legions.

Yeah no you really downplay chaos And demons Chaos is not just some sort of religion or propaganda the warp is a chaotic energy that warped the minds mutates them it doesn’t matter how much propaganda. Chaos would start spreading Demons the moment they summon one demon that gonna be a problem the possibility of warp god happening, but I like to point out that humans in super earth do not literally worship freedom despite what the state like to think For the imperial guard they not just wearing useless flack armor They can defend against melee weapons the armor good protection against primitive auto weapons very effective against lasguns that’s one of the primary weapons are designed to defend against And the reason why the imperial guard has such a low life expectancy is because the scale of the conflict and the enemies it’s just so overpowered

Diddies children

I say that if super earth ever we’re just to randomly appear, no other faction would be aware of its presence at the time, so if super plays it safe and just keep to themselves, they would last for a bit longer than they are intended, but if let’s say the imperium of man ever discovered them, they would see super earth as possible allies, and both factions have something that they desperately need. The imperium would want their space travel, and in exchange super earth would be protected by the imperium. But if another faction such as the bugs or the heretics discovered them, the tyranids would rip would do what the tyranids always do, they would rip super earth down and inevitably drive them to extinction, the heretics on the other hand would probably not shoot on site but if threatened by super earth, they would just wipe them out so yea IMO super earths only chance to survive is to make peace with the imperium.

Helldivers get turned to mushroom food the moment they see a waaagh

Absolute fucking Chads, the epitome of 40k : there is only war. We are all bleeding today, keep faith in the Emperor hahahaha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank fuck I never found it "captivating". More like dark and depressing. Only entertaining in small sips.

Hahahaha Hell Divers dont even survive each other. 😂😂 Victory by mass attrition baby!! Would love to see them in action though!

Brave words for someone in doom bolt range.

I like these videos and listen to them while I’m mining in wow, but are you not aware that you repeated yourself almost 7 times in 10 mins?

They lost their original gene seed… aka the girlfriend left.

If the Ultramarines are that of Roman Legionnaires. Lunar Wolves is that of the Norman Crusaders.

This tragedy was done to them, do not hate them for what was done to them. Boo the Emperor.

He was not wrong, he was being disingenous. He wanted to be worshipped, and eliminating the competition sowed the seeds of that inevitably occurring during his long internment on the throne.

While I agree that the helldivers are a capable force, their advantages are really one of two things: numbers and super destroyers, but from what I’ve seen of the super destroyers their weapon batteries are positioned for air to ground support. I feel the ship to ship combat was a neglected topic. Are there any examples of super destroyers engaging in ship to ship combat? I’d have to assume not since they have two major weak points, the rear and the top of the ship where there are no weapons. And even if they were engage face to face, the weapons that can aim to the sides and front are limited. You can’t consider ground forces if the space forces can’t get close enough to deploy them. (Also I’m pretty confident that a single space marine boarding a super destroyer is enough to cripple it entirely) Also, as we’ve seen in HD2, there are a TON of weather conditions that affect stratagem deployment and tech (as shown by the robots I forgot the name of) that can prevent their use period. So great, you have a ship with massive firepower in atmosphere (that can only be there for so long, I’ll circle back) but you can’t communicate with it until you figure out what’s stopping comms. Back to the lower orbit thing, the super destroyers can only provide support in atmosphere but can only be there for so long (where the 40 minute mission timer comes from) so the SD is only an advantage for 12 to 40 minutes at a time.

I think the "Maraviglia" was the pinnacle of the 3rd's Downfall. It was pretty much point of no return after that.

Now we're gonna get "there were always female word bearers" fuck 40k these days

I'd hate to be chosen as a possible recruit for them. They have THE worst process!!!

I hate how lame their chapter number is 666. GW really start being more subtle. It's like an edgy 14 year old came up with a lot of their lore.

As a former heroin addict, I'm not falling for Slaanesh's bullshit. At first you'll get the greatest and most amazing high. Then you'll spend the rest of your life chasing the same high that you will never get!

2:16 seeing as it's passed tense and Slaanesh-related, wouldn't it suckcame rather than succumbed?

Honestly there are no winners on the traitor side. The Chaos Gods had one goal. To eliminate the Emperor and destroy the web way project. They do not care if Chaos ruled over humanity or the Chaos astartes spill blood in their name. They used the traitor legions as much as they could and that was it.

The thing about Perturabo is that he wasn't abusive as the other "bad dad" primarchs, he was simply doing things he thought necessary, however he does feel SOMETHING towards his sons, he tries to hone them, nurture them, teach them. If he felt nothing he would have simply discarded them long ago and just went full heretek building an army of machines or using more technological advancements on baseline humans. He has the technological prowess to build better war machines than his sons. He COULD do it. He does not. He might not love them in the normal sense but he still puts his pride into them, that's his attachment to them I think. He is more a strict father with impossibly exacting expectations that may drive his sons to despise him, they may be driven away from him but they also respect their father as well for they know, all the hardship they suffered at the hands of Perturabo actually made them that much hardier and brutal warriors as well as they recognize his genius and unyielding strength. He basically raises his sons with the "Sink or swim, b****! I ain't no helicopter papa!" method but he DOES love them in his own prideful, stubborn, unemotive, bitter way.

Coincidently, just re-reading Erda and John. She was shoehorned in, deprives the mystery and insults multiple characters by act and association. Argel and the lads, side-lined. Angron was mutilated. Sanguinius seemingly mutated. Konrad became unhinged, etc. If she was just "Yes, I knew Big E and Oll," that would be one thing.

What’s the music used at the beginning?

🟠 Loyalist Angron, who looks like a barbarian warrior but is actually a rock of discipline and valor worthy for the World Eaters and the Emperor (example Blood Angels). With his warriors, then finally with his sons, Angron manages to liberate the world of Nuceria and become its ruler. It would be clearer to say that: Angron is saved and raised by the village of the city of Desh'ea and then sells himself as a gladiator planning its conquest and liberation, neither he nor Oenomaus receive the butcher's nails but they are still forced to fight with Angron who gives an honorable death to his dear mentor, then (recruiting more villagers and soldiers over time) in the last battle the Emperor decides to send the World Eaters to defend Angron and his warriors (recognizing potential new forces for his XII Legion) and subsequently, with all medical science, heal the heads of the surviving men. A good example is Vladus Barca himself (practically the loyalist version of Angron). And the World Eaters choose to repaint parts of themselves red to honor the title (and above all the sacrifice) of their father: the Red Angel. Angron also lived alongside ferocious predators, the wild Wolves of Nuceria (hard-skinned beasts), before being taken by the people of the village. And just like the Iron Hands with the Bulls of Medusa, the Dark Angels with the Lions of Caliban and the Space Wolves with the Wolves of Fenris, the World Eaters learn to build a bond with the creatures of their home planet. Another good possibility is this! Oenomaus had already freed Desh'ea and ruled House Thal'kyr, then after hearing about the boy named Angron, raised first by wolves and then by villagers, he decides to recruit him among his warriors, seeing him as their hope. Angron thus grows well becoming a just adult, in a reborn city with a large army of strong warriors, successfully leading his valiant soldiers (and many others thanks to his empathic psychic power), with the title Red Angel, against the tyrants (witnessing the tragic but honorable death of his father figure in the last battle), ultimately becoming the Warrior King, powerful ruler of all Nuceria. Some time after the planet's pacification Angron meets the Emperor, this time voluntarily embracing his place as son, Primarch and father of the XII Legion of War Wolves (World Eaters), officially making Nuceria their homeworld. Or maybe even this: all the cities of Nuceria are governed by several Warrior Kings (with a valiant warrior spirit, fighting against the tyranny of bloody Beastmen), who over time see the rise of the wolf Angron Thal'kyr as a sign of a worthy ruler (and future worthy Primarch)! (A soul like that of Sanguinius) 🧡

WELL DONE, keep on making videos like this

i think the video would take 10 inuts if not for the constant repetetion......

Iron within Iron without!

Edgy 8 yr old me picked these as my first army based solely off the name & emblem…. (Back in 2nd ed)

What is that cathedral organ background music from. I like it 👍🏽

ai bullshit with a ai script with loads of inaccuracies

great video !

Its their duality of the figurative and literal (warp blessing and curse) angel and d(a)emon that makes them interesting to me while other first founding chapters show less three-dimensional characteristics. Their noble demeanor and appreciation of art are true for the sake of the curse. A hundred or so years prior to Sanguinius joining his sons, they were truly the worst but even more than 10 000 years without Sanguinius' physical presence and guidance, they are still living up to his standard. That is honourable. They know they will all eventually fall to the black rage but stay their thirst and rage by appreciating the beauty of art.

Yeah, but even in death, I serve the omnissiah

Blood drinking is inherently quite homoerotic. Their urges may be much more "romanticized" than what was initially thought. Why else would an Astartes legion place so much importance in elegance and physical beauty? An opportunity for growth, indeed.

I wish primaris marines got rid of the red thirst n black rage so they could be more like their primarch

the sons of malice had the same story of their cannibalistic side, pushed to move to the side of chaos because of the imbecility of an inquisitor

But still artists in their off time.