I've had quite a few comments asking me to make a video on the Covenant and if they can survive... Ask and you shall receive. But if you also have any other ideas that you'd like me to cover with a short story on feel free to give me suggestions!
i would love to see this but with more unc forces involved might be interesting if a few worlds came along too with there feets and maybe how the imprium would react if they manged to get a unsc ship intact
It depends on the era Great crusade imperuim sweeps the covenant no difficulty post great crusade it’s a stalemate unless guilliman or a primarchs is around
Can you do the same thing but for the a covenant fleet like high charity’s fleet or fleets or teleport the entire unsc into warhammer 40k like how pancreasnowork does his halohammer stuff but in a more story oriented sort of way 👌
the covenant would become a fairly large faction, and may be one of the few that doesn't end up fighting a war on all fronts because their hate is reserved specifically for humanity, not to mention theyd be hard to pin down because they dont have a homeworld, theyre all on high charity the flood, if going unnoticed for long enough to hit gravemind stage, would absolutely devour 40k, this is a parasite similar to tyranids, only instead of developing counters to enemy weapons, they just outright steal them, and, also, when a keymind does form, reality itself is infected by the flood the forerunners would absolutely dominate 40k and its not even close, its an empire 3 times the size of the imperium and out techs the imperium going as far back as even the dark age, where they were at their technological peak, if the imperium can handle the entire galaxy bearing down on it and WIN alot of those battles, the foreunners, who simply have better everything, can solo
@@robotwithnoname7677 it's not just a void. When they commit to ftl they pierce the fabric of the universe. And like how as an earthworm digs through the earth. The path behind them closes off. Essentially temporary pockets that slingshot you to where you need to go.
UNSC engineer: YOU PRESS THE DANG NUMBERS, THEN YOU PRESS THE START BUTTON! AND THATS HOW YOU DO IT! Mechanicus: NUH UH. YOU COVER IT IN HOLY OILS AND YOU DO 10 DIFFERENT 50 HOUR RITUALS THEN CHANT FOR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT TO DIVE INTO ITS SECRETS!
Imagine a spartain finds the bodies of like 8 ODSTs with a dead ork and he looks at the gun and its a fully solid block of wood with an arrop pointing towards the barrel saying “shooty bit”
With how active the Emperor has become, I feel the UNSC's arrival to earth likely would have gone differently. The Emperor with his foresight likely would've known of their coming, or have been made instantly aware of it upon their arrival. While it's difficult to know what the response would be, I'd think he'd want to know more above all else. Either the Imperium's attack would be called off or it wouldn't have happened. Some sort of tense agreement would be reached to have a representative sent down or up. Due to the delicate nature of the situation, only a Custodes guided by the Emperor could likely be trusted even then I could see him doing that weird custodes possession thing he can do in order to ensure an actual discussion can be had. The Emperor would quickly learn the truth one way or another; while human they are from another universe or timeline- What matters most is on all accounts they are from somewhere Chaos does not exist. Upon that realization, they immediately become invaluable just by merit of existing. From that point on, there are many ways it could go, but I think the Emperor's skills (even eroded from sitting on the throne) would largely defuse any immediate conflict unless he could see that the optimal path forward was for the Astartes/Custodes to seize the ship and all it's crew. One way or another there'd be an exchange of information, the Emperor would see their value and mutual cause and either seek to use their knowledge to fix his own universe or some method of bringing humanity or a good chunk of it into the Halo Universe (All he wants is for Humans to be free of Chaos and on top). It's important to remember that if the AI are able to even consider they're in a different universe, the Emperor would probably be able to just tell they're from a different one.
That's a great point, but it then brings up the question of if the UNSC is even willing to talk to the Imperium for long enough to form any kind of truce. The Emperor/Guilliman would be a great start but seeing as how rotten the Imperium is with its disregard for human life in servitors, manufactorums and other areas alongside the sheer religious zealotry it would be extremely horrifying to even consider talking to them in any capacity let alone ally with them. There may be a truce should the Emperor/Guilliman force it but it would be super uneasy for both sides. A super cool idea either way!
At least they don't stagnate on tech and they've demonstrated to be able to reverse engineer some stuff. They could probably be a 2nd human faction with some kind of alliance with the tau empire.
@@JayJayM57 They've been doing exactly that for _thousands_ of years against multiple races across the galaxy, just having to fight one would be a vacation! The UNSC is fighting *_One._* Two, if you want to count the flood. Imperium fights SEVEN on a daily basis for thousands of years, among them are literal daemons from Space Hell that can fuck reality (literally and figuratively), and they've been holding on against all odds for THOUSANDS of years quite well. UNSC is barely surviving against ONE. Oh, so scary, having to fight One enemy that isn't fucking with reality, fielding billions of hordes on the first day, or sending out snipers hiding in a pocket dimension that can pop your best tank with their basic sniper rifle. The Imperium sure cannot hold a candle against one faction.
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled that`s not the issue here. maplemayhem1988 is talking like the UNSC survived via a miracle when the covenant took greater losses the closer they got to earth. in the last 5 years alone the covenant lost 3 fleets and a forge world. also, the UNCS was building a fleet of ARK ships to leave. The Infinity and her 2 sister ships were designed to be arks to turn humanity into a fleet-based race where they could go away and those ships could mine resources, build ships, support a growing population, create Spartans, etc. They had shields, the best FTL around, could take capital ships, and constantly self-upgrade and repair. and they had enough fuel to go on for centuries without resupply. so his assumption of the UNSC is incredibly wrong and laughable if you know anything about 40k lore. the imperium was in constant decline for 10k years surviving only by the will of the imperium guard. the UNSC was constantly evolving and upgrading.
Spartans in Tau armour would be super interesting to see! I love the thought of them pulling similar stunts to the alpha legion of making worlds turn to the Tau empire under the guise of them being Astartes. How effective it would be though is a different question.
Only if they strike a truce with one of the larger faction. The zelots in the imperium would instantly kill them the eldar if in a good mood might spare them the tau would accept and the chaos would never get on their best bet is with the tau and fly under the radar till they can get enough manpower and resources to not get smited by the imperium
@@spartanx9293 honestly best bet would probably be Farsights tau over the tau as a whole, but most definitely tau. Best bet with humans might be running into a group like the ultramarines or Salamanders first. The space marines over the imperium might actually talk before firing. Though the imperium in general tends to not.
@@spartanx9293And AI, and imagine when UNSC finds out about servitors. Imperium has my favorite factions, but I would prefer to live under the tau or just be born as eldar, or even a necron
Kind off, as a side character perhaps, but in all honesty no not really, again if it’s the entire UNSC, then they’d be in a similar situation as the tau but much weaker, since they don’t all use gundams, but what the UNSC lacks in overlapping or overwhelming power, they make up for it in their flexibility and adaptability, and again considering that most planets in the UNSC have an orbital defense system as well as a stable FTL system along with AI, does make them a dangerous force to be reckoned with, but again, if we’re going with pre covenant war UNSC, the fact that the UNSC’s ships lacks any form of shields or shielding and relies solely on their point defenses and sheer weight of armor, isn’t going to be all that effective when you consider that an imperial lance turret is the equivalent of a covenant glassing laser, where it’s been clearly shown that a single shot from a covenant glassing beam is enough to cut a UNSC autumn class heavy cruiser in half and a macro cannon would basically be akin to the shots fired by four MAC cannons fired from an ODP, again in a straight up fight, the UNSC isn’t going to win, again considering that the standard ma5c fires the equivalent of a modern 7.62 AP round which yes is okay at killing something more human sized, is completely and utterly pointless or useless when you’re dealing with say a hoard of orks or a swarm of Tyranids in which even killing something like an elite usually requires the user to dump half a magazine into them before they’re killed and the best comparison in the halo universe would be akin to an army of brutes mixed with the durability of a hunter, again even lasbolts which would be equivalent to the DMR from halo reach requires something akin to half a power pack just to drop a single ork, and again that’s not including things like say for example armor which an ork typically wears, there’s a reason why in 40K there are things like castles or fortresses or giant defensive structure is because, to simply put it overwhelming firepower is utterly and completely useless and irrelevant if the enemy has already closed into melee range in which outside of a tau or even an eldar, everything else is far larger and stronger than your average space marines to the point where even space marines tend to have trouble when dealing with orks due to how resilient they are to damage as well as to how physically strong they are, whilst again the UNSC has access to better and cleaner tech than that of the imperium, again even something as silly s Their main battle tanks would be easily destroyed due to the fact that whilst a high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord, that’s about it, unless you’re talking about a grizzly then perhaps it could take on a tyrant guard but even then, what about the other millions of hormagaunts and other smaller Tyranid lifeforms charging the tank, since outside of the likelihood that the scorpion is given a coaxial chain gun in its turret, the only other option are the right guys with rifles sitting on the side skirts or the poor sod in the heavy machine turret getting ripped to shreds or blown up with the vehicle, again whilst the halo warthog is cool, it’s exposed compartments and lack of any actual protection is more likely to result in the occupants being eaten alive by the living ammunition of the tyranids, shot or blown to pieces by the orks or imperium, again imagine if reach was forced to undergo say an ork invasion kinda like the third war for Armageddon or an invasion by the tyranids, not to mention the corrupting influences of chaos or the taint spread by genestealer who can pass as a human unless they’re biologically scanned and checked, then entire genestealer cults would start popping up everywhere but even then there would still be the massive or utter lack of resources and available ammunition,
If UNSC's assets included the entire Onyx , the situation would be very different. Forerunner sees the humans of the UNSC universe as Reclaimer. Forerunner has inserted genesong into the genes of humans in Halo tens of thousands of years ago. so that humans can have the highest level of access to Forerunner's legacy . (Imagine that , just like the IOM humans have the ability and full access to control Necrons creations)
"high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord" Theres no way you just implied a swarmlord is surviving a fucking tank shell to the jaw log off buddy wtf is that im cryin
There are places in the milkyway without warp routes where the UNSC could set up shop. Over a century or three at most they could reverse engineer imperial weapons if they stay quiet and unnoticed.... which is pretty easy to do on a galaxtic scale. Not to mention the UNSV knows how to reproduce and fix its own technology.
@@whiteeye3453 Ya know the Energy Shields the UNSC has for Spartans? That came about from a _Jackal shield gauntlet._ The UNSC _reverse engineered full body energy shielding_ from a single _point defense gauntlet_ it is entirely within the realm of possibility for the UNSC to reverse engineer Imperial tech and even improve upon it. If the UNSC _can_ turtle and stay unnoticed they WILL have some of the best tech possible and they most likely will Cole Protocol like usual in the event of any information about their territory is at risk of being captured, that entails the complete destruction of all navigational data and the ship's onboard AI if the evacuation of the AI is impossible with the AI itself most likely ensuring the success of the Cole Protocol.
@@whiteeye3453 One, the Imperium of Man is _so backwards they wouldn't even try to reverse engineer anything_ and two, Slipspace travel is both faster and safer than Warp Travel but that's besides the point. Now, it seems you don't know what Cole Protocol entails. Here is the basic intructions of the first draft of the Cole Protocol 1. All UNSC and civilian ships which come in contact with alien assets must have NAV computer/AI erased-destroyed if necessary-to prevent capture of core world locations. 2. ALL Human vessels fleeing from alien forces must do so on a randomly generated vector away from UNSC core world locations. .3 ONI Section II to immediately begin Slipstream space attenuated broadcast of pre-recorded human carrier signals from antiquity to prevent triangulation of Earth. Cole Protocol Article 1: The Cole Protocol To safeguard and protect the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers. If any Covenant forces are detected: 1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks. 2. Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized. 3. Execute viral data scavengers 4. If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center. 5. In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces and boarders, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct. Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON and pursuant to UNSC Military law articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution. Even if the UNSC ships can't get away there will be nothing left of those ships for the Imperium to use, Article 2: Destruction or capture of a shipboard AI is absolutely unacceptable. Now you may think "You've contradicted yourself" but hold your horses because Article 2 has the stipulation "if extraction is not possible, the AI must be purged" which clearly states even the AI will have to go if it's bad enough. THAT is what I mean by "Cole Protocol" like usual, the UNSC takes that VERY seriously, as in the only reason that, in 27 years of conflict with the Covenant, the Covenant didn't discover Human presence on Earth or other worlds through anything on a captured ship. The Covenant found Earth because they were trying to get to the Lesser Ark, the Covenant happened to have a relic hunting fleet stumble upon Reach, but they never once found out about either Reach or Earth because of data from a Human ship.
The Covvies showing up would also be an interesting foil to the Tau and an annoyance to the Imperium, as a somewhat larger, but not that large, xenos empire rallying against humanity. They'd get plenty of recruits into the fold as well, but run into enough trouble to keep them very busy.
It really isn't It'd be the tau hard carrying absolutely everything The unsc only live in halo because of plot armour while the tau actually are capable of surviving
Don't need to waste your time The Librarians and Knights would get the job done Just make sure you didn't late or some crazy Inquisitor will bombardier the planet
If the Imperium wasnt so trigger happy they could have opened a dialogue with the splinter fleet of the UNSC. There has to be someone smart enough, maybe a tech-priest or a well-learned captain, to realize that the UNSC were human. This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI and that they are more confused than the imperials are. UNSC would eventually explain that they thought that they were orbiting Earth, rather than "Holy Terra", they have non-warp ftl drives that are way more efficient than warp drives (cue Mechanicus oiling their collective robes), and they also have their own breed of bio-enhanced super soldiers which are more close to Astartes than the Imperium realizes (maybe even use the UNSCs data to make Spartans for the Millitarum, though thats doubtful cause honestly I love Spartans, but the Astartes are basically Spartans but better). The Imperium would eventually welcome the UNSC fleet and share technology with them as well as explaining on their end what they're all about (though I doubt the UNSC personnel would be down with the whole theocracy thing). Gulliman (assuming this takes place when he is now Lord Commander) would be facinated with the UNSC and basically grant them immunity; gicing them intel, arms, training, a contingent of Primaris to assist the Spartans, and maybe even have the Mechanicus retrofit their fleet to some degree with newer and shiner toys (guns, like really big fucking guns). At some point, the splinter fleet would find themselves at odds with the home fleet they separated from. Now THAT is a battle I would love to speculate about! Two sides that came from the same place, but sheltered in different forms and bolstered by different galactic powers.
Thats a really cool idea! But i am sorry if what i will say next sounds like party pooping. The Imperium Does not reason, AI is a sin and the UNSC will be made into Servitors if they dont watch their own back 24/7. Sadly, Roboute can't be up to date on everything in the Imperium, so i doubt he would even realize what happened.
This would be such a good storyline to eventually see the two different unsc factions grow apart from each other and become different entities all together until eventually they meet each other again a couple hundred years later and immediately start fighting as both are now kinda just sub factions of the imperium and tau respectively
The Spartan's strength is its light weight for its weight class. This results in good acceleration. However, I won't deny the durability of the Astarte . The Astarte is very durable. (The Spartan is currently in service for less than 50 years , and is expected to last a century, with no indication of whether it will last much longer .) On the other hand Spartans can even have offspring , which makes them more versatile. Men and women can become Spartans, and the success rate of Spartans in the 3rd generation is extremely high. Imagine a planet of billions of people, all made up of Spartans III, with a few of them becoming Spartans II.
"This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI " Unfortunately for the UNSC to the Imperium of Man and the Mechanicus there is no reason they could give that would save them from immediate obliteration and that planet they contacted would probably under a very real threat of exterminatus as a way to ensure no "abominable intelligence" has a chance of hiding on it. As the old Imperial saying goes: "Innocence proves nothing." The UNSC wouldn't be the 1000th non-imperial Humans the IOM has encountered and they wouldn't be the 1000th they exterminated by the 41st millennium.
great video, loved how you did justice for both the spartan and space marine. only critique is even if the Spartan's body was paralyzed the armor would still move thanks to the neural bridge that links directly between the spartan's brain and armor and though not used often/at all in the lore a spartan can remove the safety limiters on their micro-fusion reactor to vaporize anything and everything in a roughly 20 meter radius with just a thought. but still a great fight
The UNSC could make for a solid guardsman regiment. Bear in mind they are known for having very advanced training as the UNSC beat the Covenant on most ground engagements, only losing to orbital bombardment. Spartans could serve as an elite spec ops force capable of infiltration missions and, assignments making Space Marine deployment less neccesary in certain scenarios. Cortana could probably be passed off as a machine spirit, considering she was created using human DNA and is technically not fully inorganic. The Imperium would simply need to augment them with some better technology for combat. Slip space is far faster than Warp travel and far more safe. This could lead to the imperium no longer relying on warp travel if the UNSC teams up with the mechanicus and mass produces the slip space drives. The large increase in resources and planets would allow for much greater fielding and creations of Spartans of various levels of design(Spartan 2s, and Spartan 3s would be created in mass due to hive worlds having billions of potential candidates. Spartan 4 augments could also help with increasing the effectiveness of adult Guardsman commisars, officers, and tempestus scions). ONI definitely may find themselves in trouble if they try to reverse engineer xeno technology but considering the Mechanicus is sketchy at times, they may be able to hide this. I TLDR: Overall I think the UNSC could function quite well as an Auxillary faction and/or Guardsman regiment for the Imperium. As a bonus combat shielding, and less invasion augmentations may be able to limit casualties and increase effectiveness of human units. (if properly tuned for the scale of 40k weapons).
UNSC would rebel at mind control and forced religious indoctrination, and they'd be so naively vocal about it (when you lived in a world where freedom of speech is a fundamental right, and fundamental human rights does exist, you can make rookie mistakes like theses in 40K). Enough to ensure there would be no UNSC member left within a year of them integrating the Imperium; but some of their tech will remain and be put to good use... For the Emperor!
I would love to see the guy who did the Astartes animation do one of what he’s describing, a full out battle between them and Spartans, would be siiiiiick!
the tau are imune to chaos, had 4+k years time to beef up thier tech as a race written to growth to fast for thier own good, have atleast dozen of times more numbers and ultimatly living in a very remote corner of the 40k universe a 2.3k humanity without any god emporers and basicly one real planet at any time in the story will surely do well^^
@@nobleman9393 they don't send people to their deaths because it is convenient. They sell lives dearly when there is nothing else and they need time. Pretty different
The UNSC has interesting characteristics such as the lack of psychics, that the souls in Halo are linked to the Dominion and that human emotions are absorbed by the universe, which means that the humanity of Halo would have a good defense against Chaos. If you add the above that the UNSC is larger than the Tau and has Forerunner structures like Onyx Shield World, I don't see why the UNSC couldn't survive 40K
The Spartans might have a small chance for a day or 2. but the UNSC as a whole have no chance in hell, military power is not large enough to start with
the only issue being that while spartans have an upper hand against normal troops shield regeneration being huge, the numbers are crazy and they are out matched by space marines in everything but agility and personal shielding so if they arrive its just game over (although if you do the math per lore there is 1000 chapters limited to 1000 matines (most chapters) thata only 100,000 would they bother using them against the unsc outside of them arriving on a major planet
@@maddawg9882When you compare the average spartan vs the average space marine. I do think that the average Spartan can come out uptop. That's about it though. And it's also pretty depedent on the chapter. Like a minotaur in my opinion, would demolish a spartan. But the raven's and the wolves, I can see losing against one. The Space Marines will outnumber a spartan, There were only 33 Spartan IIs that passed the augmentations without any problems that we're aware of. And there were only 930 Spartan 3s. And even though the spartan 3s were just as capable as the 2s. They got wasted in suicide missions. Upset for GAMMA company. A space marine weapons on the average is gonna be stronger. Granted I do think that there are weapons that a spartan has access too that can demolish a space marine. That being the Spartan Laser, their SPNKRs, grenade launchers, The Stanchion, and SRS. But that's about it. A spartan's battle rifle nor are their MAs gonna do shit. Both space marines and spartans have been shown on being able to use vehicles as weapons, tearing through tank hatches; and alotta other crazy shit. But once we get into Space marine sergeants, and the more experieced of the bunch. It just doesn't become even. I do think that the spartan's advantages over a space marines is their versatility, their armor, (If we get into Mark VI, Gen 2, Mark VII, And Gen 3), their ai (if they have one). And technology. Spartan's being able to overshield, cloak, see almost everything with VISR, is just a great ability to have. But even then, they're neck to neck.
@justapersonz5441 i wasnt arguing the spartans have a chance against a space marine, i was saving 2 days was a low number against a non military planet, and your not wrong on what you said, 2 days isnt even plausible against space marines
Yeahhh... Idk man. Your Spartan vs Space marine scene was complete fanservice... I get the emperor made the armor and everything but these are future Tech pistols too and you described a point blank shot to a vulnerable area.
Depending on the specific round the Spartans had in their M6 and what Mk the Astartes was wearing then its 100% plausible even shots there wouldn't penetrate. Anything stronger definitely would have went through though.
A spartan going up against a space marine with only an ma5 and m6d Is an unfair fight Not impossible but very slanted in the space marine's favor a gauss rifle or hydra would be needed
@@spartanx9293 The Spartans may have chosen to use a super-hardened armor piercing bullet (.30 caliber). In the halo novels, the rebels used these super armor-piercing bullets. It even dented the shell of a Fenrir bomb, which was able to contain the blast for a full second.
Wow this was really good, I'm glad that you are continuing the crossovers. I was looking forward to seeing the entire UNSC in 40K maybe just before the war to help with inconsistencies but I understand that would probably be a lot longer story and I feel like you provided an accurate comparison when it comes to strength between the factions and that ending was the most likely besides the UNSC fleet getting completely destroyed. 2 things I will say though is that I'm pretty sure the UNSC only blows up their ship reactors and does not do a operation upper cut every time they initiate the Cole protocols but I guess that captain wanted to be extra sure lmao. Also with the fight between the spartan and the astartes I think it would of been cool if the spartan used the fail safe detonation system and took the astartes out with it. In regards to suggestions the obvious big hitters besides the covenant is ancient humanity/ancestors, the forerunners and the flood and/or the precursors since spoiler: Epitaph confirmed they are the same thing just at different levels of complexity. However if you want to do smaller inclusions like with this then perhaps you could do the banished or the didacts approach while was on its way to Earth. You could even do the UNSC Infinity when it made that random slipspace jump but it probably wouldn't be much different from this despite being way way way stronger its just not enough to start a interdependent faction, unless it becomes the unsc version of a craftworld which I guess was its intended purpose in lore. Anyways, great video I hope you continue this series.
Juxtaposing the relatablability to the UNSC against the Imperium of Man is a brilliant way of putting how batshit 40K is into perspective. Very well done 👍
Pretty much. Rogue AI, FTL travel, Neurolinks, Multiverse bullshit. Halo basically is the dark age of technology lol. 'Nids are just what happen to The Flood after an extra 25,000 years.
I feel like the space marines would more likely be like brutes and Master Chief took on a few by himself even hit by a gravity hammer and still didn’t phase him. With how much speed and maneuverability a spartan has over a space marine I think a spartan would win 9 times out of 10, Spartans use anything in their surroundings as a weapon and have an AI looking up weaknesses and ideas at the same time. The UNSC would still lose but only because they can’t mass produce Spartans like the space marines.
As of Halo 4 we learn that they can mass produce Spartans. The Spartan 4s are Spartans and are physically equal to Spartan 2s and 3s while in armor. So yeah the augmentation process came full circle. They started with the ORION Project aka Spartan 1. Which used adult soldiers of which currently they have at least 4 billion. Then Spartan 2 used special children. Spartan 3 used war orphans and now they are back to using adult soldiers/ Marine/ ODST Veterans. 4 billion Spartan 4s because the galaxy is hell and this is the natural progression of the UNSC going forward. So 4 billion Spartans over 800 worlds. Is a lot better than around a million Space Marines spread out over 1 million worlds. The UNSC if their smart and do as Dr. Halsey stated by making everyone in their military Spartans. As Spartans are their future. Doing this makes them powerful in terms of ability to defend themselves even with a lack of overall numbers. It's quality vs quantity. The UNSC doesn't have the numbers of personal of any other faction beyond the Tau. So must invest in the quality of their forces.
22:00 I would have used fire team omega Mostly people need to get it out of their heads.But Spartans do not only use the generic infantry weapons of the u.N.S c marines They use anything and everything
The UNSC fights Covenant Scarabs which are comparable enough to minor titans. The typical way to defeat those is via heavy air support. A UNSC Longsword is not far removed from a Tau Tiger Shark, . They'd be nasty as hell if air assets are tied up and unavailable however. Astartes would be too much save for perhaps ideal conditions/combined arms.
@@RJALEXANDER777 you sure know that even small titans have VOIDSHIELDS right? 40k knows different types of "nergyshields" even the imperium is able to produce planet wide energyshields, basicly all mechanicus forgeworlds have one and for titans or capital ships they have voidshields one of the last true golden age tech 40k humans can still reproduce comparing a scarab even to an imperial knight is already delusional^^ "a musket from 16th is not far removed from a bmg sniper" these are merely 400 years expierence of warfare between, while you compare basicly 37.6k years difference of warfare just to show how absurd such comparrasions are
@@preddes6522 to some degrees yes but that not my point here My point is the only reason Unsc were capable of reversed engineering fouruners is because they allow them
I feel something people usually overlook when considering the UNSC in the 40k universe is how adaptable the UNSC is. It wouldn't be long before the UNSC began to reverse engineer and reproduce or at least procure and use 40k weapons and equipment. But how well they do completely depends on where they show up and who they run into first.
Tech isnt just tech in 40k, it is in part or in whole literal magic. You can literally have a ship be possessed by a daemon because of a rivet pattern on a bulkhead is too close to a profane symbol. 40k is not a materialist setting, everything is magic. Except Friendship. Friendship is HERESY
imo if the imperium was atleast somewhat competent they would be crushed, but considering the imperium literally needlessly exterminatus’s planets and engages in front line charge wars the UNSC might actually have a strategic chance to survive.
Frontal charge straight into auto turrets and artillery. The UNSC are kind of like the Squats. Their worlds have an abundance of resources and once they are dug in. It's a pain to dig them out.
Definitely. They would probably be either the second most powerful or most powerful faction in the modern times of the Halo Universe (2568). And while not the largest in terms of size. They would be very powerful. I mean the Tau have all the advanced technologies of both the Covenant and the UNSC(besides slipspace) and more. Their guns are better than the Covenant's and UNSC guns
@@Pixel22-fs3tt It's hard to say. UNSC's vehicle-mounted Vulcans fire at 44 times the speed of sound. Tau's gauss gun isn't that fast. And the FTLs are not nearly as fast. Before the war, the UNSC was traveling two light-years a day , about the same as the IOM. After the war, the UNSC's speed reached 800 light-years per day , crossing the entire galaxy in 180 days, a speed that the IOM couldn't even imagine . Tau ships are traveling slower than the IOM in light years per day .
@@nobleman9393 If 90mm could do what it's supposed to do there would be no need to keep adding numbers , you could even argue that it's lightweight due to progress. Also the problem with Imperial FTL velocities in 40K is that the data is very inconsistent , judging trans-galactic velocities can vary from a few years to a year , not to mention the dangerous WARP dimensions . Slip space, on the other hand, is not as problematic , and in fact such a technology in the 40K universe would surely make Guillimane or the god Emperor give direct orders for friendly diplomacy.
@@orionakd a gaus canon which fires projektiles 13.7km/sek, but has a range of merely 8km...^^ tau railguns are "slower" and have even subsonic amounition, but the heavy railguns can be faster if wantet not to mention... actual railguns (the heavy mountet ones) shoot with mach7, and that over 150km im pretty sure they meant 4.4mach, which wouldf be still awesome and even if ftl would work without issue (because humanity and all other races, including necrons are to dumb for basic ftl each young star empire need as base tech) warp travel is unreliable, but not "really" faster or slower in the end, with luck you just need seconds to minutes to cross the whole galaxy, if unlucky your voyage will take 800 years
The answer to the question of wether or not the unsc can survive in 40k or the covenant is the same it depends on the era of the imperium Great crusade imperium-unsc survives but gets absorbed into the imperuim . The covenant gets annihilated though Post Horus heresy-unsc gets destroyed due to ai but covenant stalemates due to it and imperuim being surrounded on all sides Indomitus crusade- if guilliman and cawl meet the unsc leaders first then things should look good otherwise unsc gets destroyed
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 plus the UNSC still has to deal with orks, tyrannids, necrons & chaos corruption/ the fact that daemons can & will corrupt/ possess UNSC AI's. which is terrible because UNSC society is so heavily automated with AI's just like the federation of man was during the 15th - 25th millennium. the UNSC are ill prepared for Ork hordes, Chaos warbands, Necron legions or Tyranid swarms. they would get pulverized so bad from all directions that either the survivors flee to join the imperium, stay & get betrayed by their own AI's or get slaughtered by xeno's or chaos. simply put the UNSC is not equipped or ready to survive the short term, never mind the immense timescale Warhammer operates at.
imagine blowing up sombody's moon, you know the thing that controls their tides, and then calling them up on the phone and saying 'Greetings and Peace' imagining they'll take you seriously in any capacity.
Not really? They owned Imperial navy personnel, and with inferior weaponry on hand proved capable of taking an Astartes down in melee of all things. Failing only because they weren't anticipating the sheer superhuman toughness of one. That's more credit than a lot of people would give a Spartan facing the Imperium.
@@RJALEXANDER777bruh, even the weakest spartan would tear an astartes apart. Even unarmored they could pick an astartes up and throw them, while being multiple times faster.
In the story. Spartans can crouch and dodge within two meters. 11 Mach particle cannons allow a Forerunner drone that can think in picoseconds to hit its own friendlies, I don't think the IG can hit a Spartan.
@@Epsilon-5 This is from a situation in the bungie storyboard , not in the game. Covenant and insurrectionists I don't know anyone who can have that level of reflex response speed to dodge an 11 mach particle beam in two meters . Additionally the Spartans have a much smaller projected area and are proven to have a short range acceleration of 100KM or more, which would make it extremely difficult for mortals to hit a Spartan . In fact, even when the Spartans were each using the Forerunner's 11 Mach particle rifle , they still failed to hit each other , which is insane.
@@orionakd just because a gun is fast doesn’t mean it can’t be dodged, hell if I saw a guy pointing a gun at me I’d be able to dodge into cover and avoid a few shots
this is interesting but I think you forgot how big Imperial Space is and how fast UNSC ships are. the imperial can try to chase but with UNSC AI and slipspace, they can outrun all of their attempts. the imperial is also too big, and due to a poor filing system, they lost entire worlds. the UNSC can just move away from segmental terra and be fine, they are systems where the imperial shows up every 100 years or so. this makes for a far less interesting story compared to the one you told but one more likely to be. lastly, if you want the story to feel more organic I would recommend using the infinity next time. the original purpose of the Infinity was to be part of a mobile fleet to save humanity from extinction. just say Halo 3 didn`t happen and the humanity in Halo got as many people as they could on ships but were attacked by the covenant before they were ready. they activated the infinity forerunner slip space before it was properly installed and something went wrong. they were now in the 40k galaxy with most of their ships holding civilian populations in a space-fearing fleet. almost forgot, call it heresy but depending on the chapter the Spartans will destroy the space marines. most space marines follow a warrior code and as such leave themselves exposed. and while they are stronger than Spartans, Spartans are better-trained combatants. Spartans without sword training have matched elite sword masters.
This video was good ... VERY GOOD ... Are you planning on making a Could the COVENANT survive 40K? (Other options you could do: Arbiter's Swords of Sangheilos / Atriox's Banished / the Forerunners / the FLOOD )
I'm definitely up for making videos like that 100%! I've already got a few lined up including one that you've just mentioned and several other ideas from other universes. But seeing as I've had multiple ask me for a covenant video it looks like that one might be bumped up the list!
Can you do warframe there seriously not a single good video of one.... Warframe got so many similarly of warhammer like they got there own version of the warp which is the void the tenno are immune by it. If they're in the warp, they are mostly immune by the corruption since they already corrupted by the void. So fair there is one God but still a mystery, it said this God is fair stronger then the 4 chaos gods mostly due. It own the void by itself, still don't know if it sentience. Eventually we will learn what it is or wants. Anyways enemies of warframe is crazy like the grineer, there armor can be compared with Spartans armor but without a power armor, they are like 1/4 strength protection without shield. It stupid heavy about 1000 pounds. All that weight is lift up by there strength alone that why I said no power armor. They are originally created as slave labor clones which is why they are so strong carrying or lifting things. Anyways the biggest threat would be the tenno with there warframe suit, they are too strong both physically and 5th Dimension powers. The enemies name the sentient is basically stronger versions of the necrons Eh I forgot to mention the warframe is basically the Golden Era of their time but majority of the technology is gone. Anyways please look into it, warframe is very deep in lore like warhammer 40k I forgot to mention they do have there own version of dreadnought in warframe for a player to control called the nekomech. They got crew ship player can control name railjack etc there so much to do in this game
After watching this definitely it be very hard to try be independent traveling the world of warhammer 40k too many enemies want you dead. Tenno from warframe would be the only faction that can truly independent by themselves. I can imagine them flying into imperial ships without them noticing with there void stealth technology. Many times tenno able to park there ship next to enemies capital ship like they are blind to see. It really that stealthy. Most importantly tenno can easily kill a space marine, they are more beyond super soldiers. They're more like demi gods of super soldiers. I'm more interested how does the world of 40k interact the tenno. They can't be killed in battle, they can destroy there warframe body many times they want. But they will always stand up, the factions of 40k point of view would see them as a mystery alien that suddenly shows up easily take over planets by themselves to protect. I be interested to see a single tenno shows up middle of ork roar, while the imperial trying to defend but losing. Who knows if tenno drop in and help them out.
The Tau is probably one of the safest races to fight for the UNSC. Can't really imagine just how bad it would be for a 9ft tall, power armored monster to come stomping through one of their ships. Caring little for small arms fire, and practically dispatching targets with a glance.
@@HypospaceYT if you are going to do one about the covenant in the future could you give them a large enough fleet to where they could stand a chance, like giving them high charity and the entire fleet around it
A 26 minute video that could be summed up as "No." At the height of its power the UNSC is less numerous than the Tau Empire and if any existing faction in the 40k universe was able to put its full force into the Tau empire then they would be destroyed. The UNSC would have less of a chance than that. It may take time but every enemy in the 40k universe is FAR larger than the covenant. Honestly if they thought the naval battles vs the covenant were bad imagine going up against the Imperial Navy. That would be a nightmare.
19:15 a Spartan would easily be able to lift a space marine with differing levels of struggle like a Spartan 2 would have no issue rag dolling a space marine though a Spartan 3 would struggle but would be able to do it though not rag dolling the space marine so it must be a Spartan 4
... No. Halo fanboys have no idea how heavy and strong space marines are. All Spartans are massively inferior. Everything in the 40k universe is overpowered by design. Nothing any spartan has done compares to what the average space marine does on the daily.
Ha no they barely survived the covanent and they would likely only survive in 40k so the UNSC? Yea no they will be wiped out. We have seen similar battles in the HH series of what the battle would be like.
Considering that the covenant is a wide spread alien coalition with huge numbers and standard issue plasma weapons and personal shields. I think it's very possible for the unsc to fill a niche not unlike the tau. Too much effort to deal with, not enough to make any true shifts in the galactic power struggle.
@@justinholt7059this. Not to mention their ships are leagues faster than the imperiums. They’d probably get into a skirmish and have their ass handed to them a couple times before saying “Adios” and finding a cozy spot at the corner of the galaxy to set up shop and maybe reverse engineer some tech while they’re at it. I could see the UNSC ending up merging with the tau, giving the tau reliable faster than light travel and smart ais, while offering the UNSC sanctuary and a boost in resources. Also magnum shots to the neck would’ve absolutely killed the space marine. APHE 50 action express rounds are no joke.
@@mysteriousstranger5873lmao you do know even if someone shoots the spacemarine in the neck with the magnum the spacemarinevwill still live. The wound would start to clot and heal, and the spacemarine would have all kinds of stimulants to keep him alive as well. Granite he won't have a throat the spacemarine can hold his breath for 6mins and even longer. Also the marine might just survive the magnum shot theres been instances where spacemarines lose the whole right or left side of their face and head and they'll walk it off. So yeah halo guns got shit
Nice to see you gave the unsc a modicum of a chance, with their only real limiting fact being their woefully small size in comparison to everything else. I even enjoyed the Astartes vs Spartan fight and how it did make sense. They're roughly equal to each other, but there's no way the Spartan could know just how tanky Astartes could be.
If you were to scale them then I would think they'd end up gridlocked. But without that its like Halo, with 10 billion and 40k has 100 trillion soldiers at their disposal.
not really, the most advanced UNSC tech even with Forerunner add ons is vastly underpowered in 40k. even the Big E's golden armor is essentially golden age farmers overalls but its the best 30k Imperium can recreate and Big E doesnt really care it gets the job done anyways. Cortana level AI is also not going to be able to even crack AdMech computers let alone even the weakest Necron hardware
It depends. Are we going by what 40K lore *_says_* or by what people *_imagine_* about it? Because if we're going by the lore, then the UNSC would kick the shit out of the Imperium. Imperial ships are very few (just look at how small the SECTOR battlefleets are compared to the USNC's organization) and don't really stand a chance against MACs and are extremely vulnerable to missile attacks. Going from how well UNSC ships with Halcyon-style internal structures (and all ships were modified as such over the course of the war and after and all new ships built were re-designed for it during the war) can tank large numbers of plasma torpedoes and even a plasma lance, both of which are used in _glassing planets_ and even Marine armor's ability to take at least a few plasma hits and their general weapons' effectiveness against the Covenant, it's safe to say that the UNSC would beat the absolute shit out of the Imperium. The only thing the Imperium has to its advantage is numbers of soldiers on the ground. Which wouldn't matter because the UNSC is also very much willing to use large numbers of nuclear weapons and orbital bombardments on its own planets to win. Something even the Imperium very rarely is willing to even consider. Yeah, you outnumber the UNSC force a million to one. And with a press of a button, suddenly you're army no longer exists. This is without even touching on freaking ODPs and the vast amount of other orbital and surface defenses the UNSC makes heavy use of. Also, ODPs are _NOT_ connected to a surface power source. They have never been shown to be like that at all and clearly are only ever shown not even having a physical connection to the ground. It was just in a novel and the novels tend to claim lots of things we see for ourselves aren't remotely true. Anyway, this means they can be moved to use as extremely long range nails in the Imperium's coffin. They didn't do this against the Covenant for the same reason they didn't do a lot of things that would have easily won the war: to sell awesome video games. And on the ground, keep in mind that the bullets fired by UNSC guns look like lasers from how fast and _hot_ the bullets are. This implies there is a whole lot more to them than just a normal bullet. Probably miniature MACs with the standard chemical projectile system being used as a source of additional energy. Because there's no reason not to and there would be centuries of such industry already built. Best to capitalize on it and enhance it than replace it entirely. Fans generally vastly exaggerate the Imperium's capabilities because they cannot stomach the fact that there are, albeit very few, much less advanced settings that can walk all over it.
If you think about it the Tau and UNSC might be a very good foil for the Imperium. Tactics, tech, and versatility are the most important factors of this alliance. It is safe to assume that UNSC Marines and Spartans would train Tau troops and give them a whole spoonful of training. While the AI of the UNSC can help the Tau achieve a force of Spartans. They likely Spartans 3’s but if they get Spartans 1’s then the imperium is going to be in a world of trouble.
I think a more interesting scenario would involve the UNSC being pulled into the 40k verse by some sort of xeno tech that happened to be activated by a Rogue Trader. He is immediately intrigued and starts to talk to them. He is his own master and though he serves the aimperium his curioisity and seeing the potential in selling "alien" human tech is too strong to ignore and he keeps them around. UNSC learn all about the Imperium and try to lay low out of their way while they gather info from scouting and small incursions
I think the UNSC would have more advantages with long-range engagements with Super MACs & MACs supported with AI targeting algorithms. Warhammer 40k ships tend to be more suited for close quarters and broadsides. Also UNSC is used to being on the backfoot with their prior experience of fighting the Covenant who was more technology advanced and greatly outnumbers the UNSC. I wanna see a Forerunners VS Necrons episode. Or something along the lines where the ancient powers like Eldar or Necrons fight the ancient powers of the other Sci Fi universes like the flood, Forerunners. Also wanna see a Doom Marine (From Doom Franchise) VS a Space Marine (Warhammer 40K)
precursor as reality former like the oldones maybe (tech no human mind can really comprehend, comparing such factions is kinda useless, but with things like the warp and "last minute creations" like the eldar and orcs i would say the oldones "delivered" here more) forerunner are just eldar light in all points, aslong you dont say that forerunner could atleast evolve 100x faster doomguy in the other hand is comparable with atleast an average eldari god/c´tan, letting him fight against mere spacemarines would be very onesided the flood are more dangoures than the tyranids and could really fight in the war in heaven, worthy of the degeneratet form of the precoursers
40K & Halo. - A crossover that I didn't know I wanted until just now! However, if I may give you some advice: instead of using generic footage, it would have been much better to create something suitable for the story. Either your own footage, which is probably too expensive, or AI-generated footage.
This question comes down to how quickly the UNSC can reverse engineer the weapons, hardware, and mechanics of other factions’ technologies. And if that’s the case, the UNSC could do well enough to keep itself afloat, and find themselves in a similar situation as the Tau Empire. They wouldn’t necessarily have the means to conquer the galaxy, but they can hold the line when protecting their own territory.
So we can all agree this is a thought experiment that should have taken no more than 20 seconds to come to conclusion. UNSC gets absolutly fucked by every single race in 40k with the exception of MAYBE the tau and even the tau might fuck on the unsc.
If they suddenly got dropped in 40k universe, if the Chaos gods cnt get to them, they probably will try to hide in a desolated planet thats filed to the brim by sleeping Necrons They have a bad luck waking xenoshits up you see
That's because a lot of the time they don't get the chance, getting gunned down either by the enemy or their pissed off local Commissar. They are, however, still regular humans and very much know fear. hell, I'd run too if I saw some guy in weird power armor doing shit I'd only ever heard of Space Marines doing.
What about pitting 40k orcs against Fallout supermutants? Frank Horrigan from fallout2 has to lead the supermutants though. That would be a fight to behold.
I've had quite a few comments asking me to make a video on the Covenant and if they can survive... Ask and you shall receive.
But if you also have any other ideas that you'd like me to cover with a short story on feel free to give me suggestions!
i would love to see this but with more unc forces involved might be interesting if a few worlds came along too with there feets and maybe how the imprium would react if they manged to get a unsc ship intact
It depends on the era
Great crusade imperuim sweeps the covenant no difficulty post great crusade it’s a stalemate unless guilliman or a primarchs is around
Can you do the same thing but for the a covenant fleet like high charity’s fleet or fleets or teleport the entire unsc into warhammer 40k like how pancreasnowork does his halohammer stuff but in a more story oriented sort of way 👌
I think it would be cool to see some alternate world where unsc joined the banished all at peak strength and that version of the banished entered 40k
the covenant would become a fairly large faction, and may be one of the few that doesn't end up fighting a war on all fronts because their hate is reserved specifically for humanity, not to mention theyd be hard to pin down because they dont have a homeworld, theyre all on high charity
the flood, if going unnoticed for long enough to hit gravemind stage, would absolutely devour 40k, this is a parasite similar to tyranids, only instead of developing counters to enemy weapons, they just outright steal them, and, also, when a keymind does form, reality itself is infected by the flood
the forerunners would absolutely dominate 40k and its not even close, its an empire 3 times the size of the imperium and out techs the imperium going as far back as even the dark age, where they were at their technological peak, if the imperium can handle the entire galaxy bearing down on it and WIN alot of those battles, the foreunners, who simply have better everything, can solo
UNSC: We have Warp-free FTL
Cawl and Guilliman in unison, with the Emperor's psychic voice in the background: GIVE THEM ALL THE FUCKING FORGE WORLDS.
Guilliman: GET IT DONE. I DO NOT CARE HOW IN THE FATHER BOUND FUCK IT HAPPENS, JUST MAKE SURE ITS DONE.
Wouldn't be surprised if slipspace WAS the warp, just not all murderebanged by chaos gods
@@jiggler1-1 slipspace is just a void, nothing there.
@@robotwithnoname7677 it's not just a void. When they commit to ftl they pierce the fabric of the universe. And like how as an earthworm digs through the earth. The path behind them closes off. Essentially temporary pockets that slingshot you to where you need to go.
@@jiggler1-1 It works on the same principle. Go into a different space where distances are way shorter.
Honestly, im just imagining the UNSC engineers arguing incessantly with the mechanicums adepts about how to turn on a microwave 😂
Or both of them "debating" on how to operate a VCR or a rotary phone.
UNSC engineer: YOU PRESS THE DANG NUMBERS, THEN YOU PRESS THE START BUTTON! AND THATS HOW YOU DO IT!
Mechanicus: NUH UH. YOU COVER IT IN HOLY OILS AND YOU DO 10 DIFFERENT 50 HOUR RITUALS THEN CHANT FOR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT TO DIVE INTO ITS SECRETS!
Generally though the microwave would turn them on more.
@@Z5-XB imagine that they were both right
Imagine a spartain finds the bodies of like 8 ODSTs with a dead ork and he looks at the gun and its a fully solid block of wood with an arrop pointing towards the barrel saying “shooty bit”
With how active the Emperor has become, I feel the UNSC's arrival to earth likely would have gone differently. The Emperor with his foresight likely would've known of their coming, or have been made instantly aware of it upon their arrival. While it's difficult to know what the response would be, I'd think he'd want to know more above all else.
Either the Imperium's attack would be called off or it wouldn't have happened. Some sort of tense agreement would be reached to have a representative sent down or up. Due to the delicate nature of the situation, only a Custodes guided by the Emperor could likely be trusted even then I could see him doing that weird custodes possession thing he can do in order to ensure an actual discussion can be had.
The Emperor would quickly learn the truth one way or another; while human they are from another universe or timeline- What matters most is on all accounts they are from somewhere Chaos does not exist. Upon that realization, they immediately become invaluable just by merit of existing.
From that point on, there are many ways it could go, but I think the Emperor's skills (even eroded from sitting on the throne) would largely defuse any immediate conflict unless he could see that the optimal path forward was for the Astartes/Custodes to seize the ship and all it's crew.
One way or another there'd be an exchange of information, the Emperor would see their value and mutual cause and either seek to use their knowledge to fix his own universe or some method of bringing humanity or a good chunk of it into the Halo Universe (All he wants is for Humans to be free of Chaos and on top).
It's important to remember that if the AI are able to even consider they're in a different universe, the Emperor would probably be able to just tell they're from a different one.
That's a great point, but it then brings up the question of if the UNSC is even willing to talk to the Imperium for long enough to form any kind of truce.
The Emperor/Guilliman would be a great start but seeing as how rotten the Imperium is with its disregard for human life in servitors, manufactorums and other areas alongside the sheer religious zealotry it would be extremely horrifying to even consider talking to them in any capacity let alone ally with them.
There may be a truce should the Emperor/Guilliman force it but it would be super uneasy for both sides.
A super cool idea either way!
the moment the empereor sense a ai in the ship, hes sending the entire ship to thendark cells
@COULY_GALLO01-yo6sg the fact that the Dark Angels can used forbidden dark age weaponry upto an including enslaved men of iron suggests otherwise.
Uh, no. They use AI. They are a threat.
@@horrorfan117not only that but peter turbo also created heretical n heratek machines hell his whole honor gaurd is ai robots
Not for long.......humanity probably need to be all Spartans.
They need to up their tech too. The unsc ships is trash.
At least they don't stagnate on tech and they've demonstrated to be able to reverse engineer some stuff. They could probably be a 2nd human faction with some kind of alliance with the tau empire.
@@Wilky971 indeed, they never stop progressing, I suppose the biggest hurdle is surviving long enough to not die completely.
They need more numbers is the problem not enough. If number is not a problem then who knows they might survive
@@Wilky971well I mean to have an alliance with the tau is to be brain washed. The tau are not the good guys
I have a feeling they could get along with the imperium, they are far better at reading the room than anyone in 40k ever will be
not with ai tech
@@tkonlyme consider Votann existing
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 do thry admit they're AI?
@@Rage_Templar no, that’s the reading the room part
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 And they kill anyone who learns about their AIs.
The UNSC couldn't even survive in the Halo Universe without a godsend from a long dead alien race
That is very true
the fought a superior race for over 2 decades. the imperial would have been dead against those odds.
@@JayJayM57
They've been doing exactly that for _thousands_ of years against multiple races across the galaxy, just having to fight one would be a vacation!
The UNSC is fighting *_One._* Two, if you want to count the flood. Imperium fights SEVEN on a daily basis for thousands of years, among them are literal daemons from Space Hell that can fuck reality (literally and figuratively), and they've been holding on against all odds for THOUSANDS of years quite well. UNSC is barely surviving against ONE.
Oh, so scary, having to fight One enemy that isn't fucking with reality, fielding billions of hordes on the first day, or sending out snipers hiding in a pocket dimension that can pop your best tank with their basic sniper rifle. The Imperium sure cannot hold a candle against one faction.
The Imperium is literally doing that every second that they exist, across the thousands of worlds being attacked or drivers at any given time...
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled that`s not the issue here. maplemayhem1988 is talking like the UNSC survived via a miracle when the covenant took greater losses the closer they got to earth. in the last 5 years alone the covenant lost 3 fleets and a forge world. also, the UNCS was building a fleet of ARK ships to leave. The Infinity and her 2 sister ships were designed to be arks to turn humanity into a fleet-based race where they could go away and those ships could mine resources, build ships, support a growing population, create Spartans, etc. They had shields, the best FTL around, could take capital ships, and constantly self-upgrade and repair. and they had enough fuel to go on for centuries without resupply. so his assumption of the UNSC is incredibly wrong and laughable if you know anything about 40k lore. the imperium was in constant decline for 10k years surviving only by the will of the imperium guard. the UNSC was constantly evolving and upgrading.
This is great. Imagine the Tau and the UNSC working together. Spartans in battle suits and Tau ships with slipspace tech would be amazing 🤌🏽
Spartans in Tau armour would be super interesting to see! I love the thought of them pulling similar stunts to the alpha legion of making worlds turn to the Tau empire under the guise of them being Astartes. How effective it would be though is a different question.
U think unsc would allow u filthy xenos 😂😂😂 there human meaning if they don't join imperial guards there getting there head torn of for tge emporor
Say that again, Heretic....
Johnson wearing Ta'u armor would be something I would kill to see
@@Neoth40kYES
Only if they strike a truce with one of the larger faction. The zelots in the imperium would instantly kill them the eldar if in a good mood might spare them the tau would accept and the chaos would never get on their best bet is with the tau and fly under the radar till they can get enough manpower and resources to not get smited by the imperium
bold of you to assume the imperia can reach them.
Best bet would be the Eldar or tau
@@spartanx9293 honestly best bet would probably be Farsights tau over the tau as a whole, but most definitely tau. Best bet with humans might be running into a group like the ultramarines or Salamanders first. The space marines over the imperium might actually talk before firing. Though the imperium in general tends to not.
@VLK_Static The issue is the unsc operates under a democratic system Cyrene was destroyed by the imperium for doing this
@@spartanx9293And AI, and imagine when UNSC finds out about servitors. Imperium has my favorite factions, but I would prefer to live under the tau or just be born as eldar, or even a necron
Kind off, as a side character perhaps, but in all honesty no not really, again if it’s the entire UNSC, then they’d be in a similar situation as the tau but much weaker, since they don’t all use gundams, but what the UNSC lacks in overlapping or overwhelming power, they make up for it in their flexibility and adaptability, and again considering that most planets in the UNSC have an orbital defense system as well as a stable FTL system along with AI, does make them a dangerous force to be reckoned with, but again, if we’re going with pre covenant war UNSC, the fact that the UNSC’s ships lacks any form of shields or shielding and relies solely on their point defenses and sheer weight of armor, isn’t going to be all that effective when you consider that an imperial lance turret is the equivalent of a covenant glassing laser, where it’s been clearly shown that a single shot from a covenant glassing beam is enough to cut a UNSC autumn class heavy cruiser in half and a macro cannon would basically be akin to the shots fired by four MAC cannons fired from an ODP, again in a straight up fight, the UNSC isn’t going to win, again considering that the standard ma5c fires the equivalent of a modern 7.62 AP round which yes is okay at killing something more human sized, is completely and utterly pointless or useless when you’re dealing with say a hoard of orks or a swarm of Tyranids in which even killing something like an elite usually requires the user to dump half a magazine into them before they’re killed and the best comparison in the halo universe would be akin to an army of brutes mixed with the durability of a hunter, again even lasbolts which would be equivalent to the DMR from halo reach requires something akin to half a power pack just to drop a single ork, and again that’s not including things like say for example armor which an ork typically wears, there’s a reason why in 40K there are things like castles or fortresses or giant defensive structure is because, to simply put it overwhelming firepower is utterly and completely useless and irrelevant if the enemy has already closed into melee range in which outside of a tau or even an eldar, everything else is far larger and stronger than your average space marines to the point where even space marines tend to have trouble when dealing with orks due to how resilient they are to damage as well as to how physically strong they are, whilst again the UNSC has access to better and cleaner tech than that of the imperium, again even something as silly s Their main battle tanks would be easily destroyed due to the fact that whilst a high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord, that’s about it, unless you’re talking about a grizzly then perhaps it could take on a tyrant guard but even then, what about the other millions of hormagaunts and other smaller Tyranid lifeforms charging the tank, since outside of the likelihood that the scorpion is given a coaxial chain gun in its turret, the only other option are the right guys with rifles sitting on the side skirts or the poor sod in the heavy machine turret getting ripped to shreds or blown up with the vehicle, again whilst the halo warthog is cool, it’s exposed compartments and lack of any actual protection is more likely to result in the occupants being eaten alive by the living ammunition of the tyranids, shot or blown to pieces by the orks or imperium, again imagine if reach was forced to undergo say an ork invasion kinda like the third war for Armageddon or an invasion by the tyranids, not to mention the corrupting influences of chaos or the taint spread by genestealer who can pass as a human unless they’re biologically scanned and checked, then entire genestealer cults would start popping up everywhere but even then there would still be the massive or utter lack of resources and available ammunition,
Depends on if it's pre or post war tech level post war they do have their own mechs and limited energy weapons like the brightlance
@@spartanx9293 agreed
@@spartanx9293 or the infinity
If UNSC's assets included the entire Onyx , the situation would be very different.
Forerunner sees the humans of the UNSC universe as Reclaimer.
Forerunner has inserted genesong into the genes of humans in Halo tens of thousands of years ago.
so that humans can have the highest level of access to Forerunner's legacy .
(Imagine that , just like the IOM humans have the ability and full access to control Necrons creations)
"high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord"
Theres no way you just implied a swarmlord is surviving a fucking tank shell to the jaw log off buddy wtf is that im cryin
There are places in the milkyway without warp routes where the UNSC could set up shop. Over a century or three at most they could reverse engineer imperial weapons if they stay quiet and unnoticed.... which is pretty easy to do on a galaxtic scale. Not to mention the UNSV knows how to reproduce and fix its own technology.
Yeach sure reverse engineering imperium tech what a joke
@@whiteeye3453 Ya know the Energy Shields the UNSC has for Spartans? That came about from a _Jackal shield gauntlet._ The UNSC _reverse engineered full body energy shielding_ from a single _point defense gauntlet_ it is entirely within the realm of possibility for the UNSC to reverse engineer Imperial tech and even improve upon it.
If the UNSC _can_ turtle and stay unnoticed they WILL have some of the best tech possible and they most likely will Cole Protocol like usual in the event of any information about their territory is at risk of being captured, that entails the complete destruction of all navigational data and the ship's onboard AI if the evacuation of the AI is impossible with the AI itself most likely ensuring the success of the Cole Protocol.
@@kabob0077 and you think Imperium of man couldn't do same shit?
@@kabob0077 do you think Imperium will let ships with a. I get away?
Unlikely
@@whiteeye3453 One, the Imperium of Man is _so backwards they wouldn't even try to reverse engineer anything_ and two, Slipspace travel is both faster and safer than Warp Travel but that's besides the point.
Now, it seems you don't know what Cole Protocol entails.
Here is the basic intructions of the first draft of the Cole Protocol
1. All UNSC and civilian ships which come in contact with alien assets must have NAV computer/AI erased-destroyed if necessary-to prevent capture of core world locations.
2. ALL Human vessels fleeing from alien forces must do so on a randomly generated vector away from UNSC core world locations.
.3 ONI Section II to immediately begin Slipstream space attenuated broadcast of pre-recorded human carrier signals from antiquity to prevent triangulation of Earth.
Cole Protocol Article 1:
The Cole Protocol
To safeguard and protect the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers.
If any Covenant forces are detected:
1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks.
2. Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized.
3. Execute viral data scavengers
4. If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center.
5. In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces and boarders, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct.
Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON and pursuant to UNSC Military law articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution.
Even if the UNSC ships can't get away there will be nothing left of those ships for the Imperium to use,
Article 2:
Destruction or capture of a shipboard AI is absolutely unacceptable.
Now you may think "You've contradicted yourself" but hold your horses because Article 2 has the stipulation "if extraction is not possible, the AI must be purged" which clearly states even the AI will have to go if it's bad enough.
THAT is what I mean by "Cole Protocol" like usual, the UNSC takes that VERY seriously, as in the only reason that, in 27 years of conflict with the Covenant, the Covenant didn't discover Human presence on Earth or other worlds through anything on a captured ship. The Covenant found Earth because they were trying to get to the Lesser Ark, the Covenant happened to have a relic hunting fleet stumble upon Reach, but they never once found out about either Reach or Earth because of data from a Human ship.
A Tau and UNSC alliance is a frightening idea
The Covvies showing up would also be an interesting foil to the Tau and an annoyance to the Imperium, as a somewhat larger, but not that large, xenos empire rallying against humanity. They'd get plenty of recruits into the fold as well, but run into enough trouble to keep them very busy.
@@crowe6961 u always forget The warp they can but will they survive for 10 years I don't think so
Why? There’s already billions of humans with the tau
It really isn't
It'd be the tau hard carrying absolutely everything
The unsc only live in halo because of plot armour while the tau actually are capable of surviving
The Angels of Death against the Deamons of the UNSC… this battle will e glorious.
I mean spacemarines still take the cake for many reasons
Don't need to waste your time
The Librarians and Knights would get the job done
Just make sure you didn't late or some crazy Inquisitor will bombardier the planet
Tbh even Masterchief would struggle to take down a single Tactical Marine. Any marine above the rank and file would completely obliterate him.
@@Therestrial205Statistically there is One maybe two librarians per chapter
@enigmachinasclass8153 Not really Shoot a space marine with a gauss rifle ans their dead My go to citation has always been fire team omega
If the Imperium wasnt so trigger happy they could have opened a dialogue with the splinter fleet of the UNSC. There has to be someone smart enough, maybe a tech-priest or a well-learned captain, to realize that the UNSC were human. This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI and that they are more confused than the imperials are. UNSC would eventually explain that they thought that they were orbiting Earth, rather than "Holy Terra", they have non-warp ftl drives that are way more efficient than warp drives (cue Mechanicus oiling their collective robes), and they also have their own breed of bio-enhanced super soldiers which are more close to Astartes than the Imperium realizes (maybe even use the UNSCs data to make Spartans for the Millitarum, though thats doubtful cause honestly I love Spartans, but the Astartes are basically Spartans but better).
The Imperium would eventually welcome the UNSC fleet and share technology with them as well as explaining on their end what they're all about (though I doubt the UNSC personnel would be down with the whole theocracy thing). Gulliman (assuming this takes place when he is now Lord Commander) would be facinated with the UNSC and basically grant them immunity; gicing them intel, arms, training, a contingent of Primaris to assist the Spartans, and maybe even have the Mechanicus retrofit their fleet to some degree with newer and shiner toys (guns, like really big fucking guns). At some point, the splinter fleet would find themselves at odds with the home fleet they separated from. Now THAT is a battle I would love to speculate about! Two sides that came from the same place, but sheltered in different forms and bolstered by different galactic powers.
Thats a really cool idea! But i am sorry if what i will say next sounds like party pooping.
The Imperium Does not reason, AI is a sin and the UNSC will be made into Servitors if they dont watch their own back 24/7. Sadly, Roboute can't be up to date on everything in the Imperium, so i doubt he would even realize what happened.
This would be such a good storyline to eventually see the two different unsc factions grow apart from each other and become different entities all together until eventually they meet each other again a couple hundred years later and immediately start fighting as both are now kinda just sub factions of the imperium and tau respectively
Probably cheaper to engineer than Astartes by comparison.
The Spartan's strength is its light weight for its weight class.
This results in good acceleration.
However, I won't deny the durability of the Astarte . The Astarte is very durable.
(The Spartan is currently in service for less than 50 years , and is expected to last a century, with no indication of whether it will last much longer .)
On the other hand
Spartans can even have offspring , which makes them more versatile.
Men and women can become Spartans, and the success rate of Spartans in the 3rd generation is extremely high.
Imagine a planet of billions of people, all made up of Spartans III, with a few of them becoming Spartans II.
"This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI "
Unfortunately for the UNSC to the Imperium of Man and the Mechanicus there is no reason they could give that would save them from immediate obliteration and that planet they contacted would probably under a very real threat of exterminatus as a way to ensure no "abominable intelligence" has a chance of hiding on it. As the old Imperial saying goes: "Innocence proves nothing."
The UNSC wouldn't be the 1000th non-imperial Humans the IOM has encountered and they wouldn't be the 1000th they exterminated by the 41st millennium.
great video, loved how you did justice for both the spartan and space marine. only critique is even if the Spartan's body was paralyzed the armor would still move thanks to the neural bridge that links directly between the spartan's brain and armor and though not used often/at all in the lore a spartan can remove the safety limiters on their micro-fusion reactor to vaporize anything and everything in a roughly 20 meter radius with just a thought. but still a great fight
But armor is not indestructible
Of course spartan would move
The UNSC could make for a solid guardsman regiment. Bear in mind they are known for having very advanced training as the UNSC beat the Covenant on most ground engagements, only losing to orbital bombardment. Spartans could serve as an elite spec ops force capable of infiltration missions and, assignments making Space Marine deployment less neccesary in certain scenarios. Cortana could probably be passed off as a machine spirit, considering she was created using human DNA and is technically not fully inorganic. The Imperium would simply need to augment them with some better technology for combat. Slip space is far faster than Warp travel and far more safe. This could lead to the imperium no longer relying on warp travel if the UNSC teams up with the mechanicus and mass produces the slip space drives. The large increase in resources and planets would allow for much greater fielding and creations of Spartans of various levels of design(Spartan 2s, and Spartan 3s would be created in mass due to hive worlds having billions of potential candidates. Spartan 4 augments could also help with increasing the effectiveness of adult Guardsman commisars, officers, and tempestus scions). ONI definitely may find themselves in trouble if they try to reverse engineer xeno technology but considering the Mechanicus is sketchy at times, they may be able to hide this. I
TLDR: Overall I think the UNSC could function quite well as an Auxillary faction and/or Guardsman regiment for the Imperium. As a bonus combat shielding, and less invasion augmentations may be able to limit casualties and increase effectiveness of human units. (if properly tuned for the scale of 40k weapons).
UNSC would rebel at mind control and forced religious indoctrination, and they'd be so naively vocal about it (when you lived in a world where freedom of speech is a fundamental right, and fundamental human rights does exist, you can make rookie mistakes like theses in 40K). Enough to ensure there would be no UNSC member left within a year of them integrating the Imperium; but some of their tech will remain and be put to good use... For the Emperor!
Considering what the UNSC was able to achieve until now, it will probably fix for good the galaxy of 40k. 😤
I would love to see the guy who did the Astartes animation do one of what he’s describing, a full out battle between them and Spartans, would be siiiiiick!
Yes, if the Tau can. So can the UNSC.
UNSC actually understands their own tech and uses effective strategies other than “throw meat into the grinder.”
@@sidecharacter7165 Their actions state otherwise.
the tau are imune to chaos, had 4+k years time to beef up thier tech as a race written to growth to fast for thier own good, have atleast dozen of times more numbers and ultimatly living in a very remote corner of the 40k universe
a 2.3k humanity without any god emporers and basicly one real planet at any time in the story will surely do well^^
@@nobleman9393 they don't send people to their deaths because it is convenient. They sell lives dearly when there is nothing else and they need time. Pretty different
Tau have way better armies than the unsc
A single UNSC Sr engineer could defeat the entire adeptus mechnicus i feel like lol
Instead of going toe to toe, I get the feeling the UNSC would just unleash... ONI 😢
The UNSC isn't going to go toe to toe with anyone. They use sneaky underhanded tactics all the time.
The UNSC has interesting characteristics such as the lack of psychics, that the souls in Halo are linked to the Dominion and that human emotions are absorbed by the universe, which means that the humanity of Halo would have a good defense against Chaos. If you add the above that the UNSC is larger than the Tau and has Forerunner structures like Onyx Shield World, I don't see why the UNSC couldn't survive 40K
The Spartans might have a small chance for a day or 2. but the UNSC as a whole have no chance in hell, military power is not large enough to start with
the only issue being that while spartans have an upper hand against normal troops shield regeneration being huge, the numbers are crazy and they are out matched by space marines in everything but agility and personal shielding so if they arrive its just game over (although if you do the math per lore there is 1000 chapters limited to 1000 matines (most chapters) thata only 100,000 would they bother using them against the unsc outside of them arriving on a major planet
@@maddawg9882no they're not
@@maddawg9882When you compare the average spartan vs the average space marine. I do think that the average Spartan can come out uptop. That's about it though. And it's also pretty depedent on the chapter. Like a minotaur in my opinion, would demolish a spartan. But the raven's and the wolves, I can see losing against one.
The Space Marines will outnumber a spartan, There were only 33 Spartan IIs that passed the augmentations without any problems that we're aware of. And there were only 930 Spartan 3s. And even though the spartan 3s were just as capable as the 2s. They got wasted in suicide missions. Upset for GAMMA company.
A space marine weapons on the average is gonna be stronger. Granted I do think that there are weapons that a spartan has access too that can demolish a space marine. That being the Spartan Laser, their SPNKRs, grenade launchers, The Stanchion, and SRS. But that's about it. A spartan's battle rifle nor are their MAs gonna do shit.
Both space marines and spartans have been shown on being able to use vehicles as weapons, tearing through tank hatches; and alotta other crazy shit.
But once we get into Space marine sergeants, and the more experieced of the bunch. It just doesn't become even.
I do think that the spartan's advantages over a space marines is their versatility, their armor, (If we get into Mark VI, Gen 2, Mark VII, And Gen 3), their ai (if they have one). And technology. Spartan's being able to overshield, cloak, see almost everything with VISR, is just a great ability to have.
But even then, they're neck to neck.
@thadmeboy1129 what not though? multiple things are said and nothing said would be have "their not tho" as a valid reply
@justapersonz5441 i wasnt arguing the spartans have a chance against a space marine, i was saving 2 days was a low number against a non military planet, and your not wrong on what you said, 2 days isnt even plausible against space marines
a Spartan would never walk from an opponent without making sure they are dead.
Yeahhh... Idk man. Your Spartan vs Space marine scene was complete fanservice...
I get the emperor made the armor and everything but these are future Tech pistols too and you described a point blank shot to a vulnerable area.
Depending on the specific round the Spartans had in their M6 and what Mk the Astartes was wearing then its 100% plausible even shots there wouldn't penetrate. Anything stronger definitely would have went through though.
A spartan going up against a space marine with only an ma5 and m6d Is an unfair fight Not impossible but very slanted in the space marine's favor a gauss rifle or hydra would be needed
@@spartanx9293
The Spartans may have chosen to use a super-hardened armor piercing bullet (.30 caliber).
In the halo novels, the rebels used these super armor-piercing bullets.
It even dented the shell of a Fenrir bomb, which was able to contain the blast for a full second.
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Wow this was really good, I'm glad that you are continuing the crossovers. I was looking forward to seeing the entire UNSC in 40K maybe just before the war to help with inconsistencies but I understand that would probably be a lot longer story and I feel like you provided an accurate comparison when it comes to strength between the factions and that ending was the most likely besides the UNSC fleet getting completely destroyed. 2 things I will say though is that I'm pretty sure the UNSC only blows up their ship reactors and does not do a operation upper cut every time they initiate the Cole protocols but I guess that captain wanted to be extra sure lmao. Also with the fight between the spartan and the astartes I think it would of been cool if the spartan used the fail safe detonation system and took the astartes out with it. In regards to suggestions the obvious big hitters besides the covenant is ancient humanity/ancestors, the forerunners and the flood and/or the precursors since spoiler: Epitaph confirmed they are the same thing just at different levels of complexity. However if you want to do smaller inclusions like with this then perhaps you could do the banished or the didacts approach while was on its way to Earth. You could even do the UNSC Infinity when it made that random slipspace jump but it probably wouldn't be much different from this despite being way way way stronger its just not enough to start a interdependent faction, unless it becomes the unsc version of a craftworld which I guess was its intended purpose in lore. Anyways, great video I hope you continue this series.
Bro don’t let this series finish stretch it out as long as you can 👌
Juxtaposing the relatablability to the UNSC against the Imperium of Man is a brilliant way of putting how batshit 40K is into perspective. Very well done 👍
Master Chief all have to do is drop one spawn of the flood let them do all the work then activate all the Halo and then he will come on top
Nothing survives 40k In the end
Perfectly put
I did a timeline video which included the halo universe, I basically think of it as dark age of technology era
Pretty much. Rogue AI, FTL travel, Neurolinks, Multiverse bullshit. Halo basically is the dark age of technology lol. 'Nids are just what happen to The Flood after an extra 25,000 years.
I feel like the space marines would more likely be like brutes and Master Chief took on a few by himself even hit by a gravity hammer and still didn’t phase him. With how much speed and maneuverability a spartan has over a space marine I think a spartan would win 9 times out of 10, Spartans use anything in their surroundings as a weapon and have an AI looking up weaknesses and ideas at the same time. The UNSC would still lose but only because they can’t mass produce Spartans like the space marines.
As of Halo 4 we learn that they can mass produce Spartans.
The Spartan 4s are Spartans and are physically equal to Spartan 2s and 3s while in armor.
So yeah the augmentation process came full circle. They started with the ORION Project aka Spartan 1. Which used adult soldiers of which currently they have at least 4 billion. Then Spartan 2 used special children. Spartan 3 used war orphans and now they are back to using adult soldiers/ Marine/ ODST Veterans.
4 billion Spartan 4s because the galaxy is hell and this is the natural progression of the UNSC going forward. So 4 billion Spartans over 800 worlds. Is a lot better than around a million Space Marines spread out over 1 million worlds.
The UNSC if their smart and do as Dr. Halsey stated by making everyone in their military Spartans. As Spartans are their future.
Doing this makes them powerful in terms of ability to defend themselves even with a lack of overall numbers.
It's quality vs quantity. The UNSC doesn't have the numbers of personal of any other faction beyond the Tau. So must invest in the quality of their forces.
22:00 I would have used fire team omega Mostly people need to get it out of their heads.But Spartans do not only use the generic infantry weapons of the u.N.S c marines They use anything and everything
The UNC would stand no chance against a legion of astartes and psykers let alone a legion of knights or larger.
The UNSC fights Covenant Scarabs which are comparable enough to minor titans. The typical way to defeat those is via heavy air support. A UNSC Longsword is not far removed from a Tau Tiger Shark, . They'd be nasty as hell if air assets are tied up and unavailable however. Astartes would be too much save for perhaps ideal conditions/combined arms.
You compare Covenant Scarabsto imperial knights?
Good joke
@@whiteeye3453 Not to mention that they weren't even performing well against Scarabs.
@@RJALEXANDER777 you sure know that even small titans have VOIDSHIELDS right?
40k knows different types of "nergyshields" even the imperium is able to produce planet wide energyshields, basicly all mechanicus forgeworlds have one
and for titans or capital ships they have voidshields one of the last true golden age tech 40k humans can still reproduce
comparing a scarab even to an imperial knight is already delusional^^
"a musket from 16th is not far removed from a bmg sniper" these are merely 400 years expierence of warfare between, while you compare basicly 37.6k years difference of warfare just to show how absurd such comparrasions are
master chief has enough plot armor to kill the emperor
The UNSC wouldn't fall like that. They'dve successfully set up elsewhere and reverse engineered technology.
They reserve engineering because fouruners alow them to do that
@@whiteeye3453 and forerunners are infinitely more advanced than imperium tech.
@@preddes6522 to some degrees yes but that not my point here
My point is the only reason Unsc were capable of reversed engineering fouruners is because they allow them
I feel something people usually overlook when considering the UNSC in the 40k universe is how adaptable the UNSC is. It wouldn't be long before the UNSC began to reverse engineer and reproduce or at least procure and use 40k weapons and equipment. But how well they do completely depends on where they show up and who they run into first.
Tech isnt just tech in 40k, it is in part or in whole literal magic.
You can literally have a ship be possessed by a daemon because of a rivet pattern on a bulkhead is too close to a profane symbol.
40k is not a materialist setting, everything is magic.
Except Friendship.
Friendship is HERESY
i like the scenario since in that the usnc actually has the ability to live on and react to this universe... was alot of fun hearing through it
imo if the imperium was atleast somewhat competent they would be crushed, but considering the imperium literally needlessly exterminatus’s planets and engages in front line charge wars the UNSC might actually have a strategic chance to survive.
Frontal charge straight into auto turrets and artillery.
The UNSC are kind of like the Squats. Their worlds have an abundance of resources and once they are dug in. It's a pain to dig them out.
Can the tau survive in the halo universe
Definitely. They would probably be either the second most powerful or most powerful faction in the modern times of the Halo Universe (2568). And while not the largest in terms of size. They would be very powerful. I mean the Tau have all the advanced technologies of both the Covenant and the UNSC(besides slipspace) and more. Their guns are better than the Covenant's and UNSC guns
@@Pixel22-fs3tt
It's hard to say.
UNSC's vehicle-mounted Vulcans fire at 44 times the speed of sound.
Tau's gauss gun isn't that fast.
And the FTLs are not nearly as fast.
Before the war, the UNSC was traveling two light-years a day , about the same as the IOM.
After the war, the UNSC's speed reached 800 light-years per day , crossing the entire galaxy in 180 days, a speed that the IOM couldn't even imagine .
Tau ships are traveling slower than the IOM in light years per day .
@@orionakd And they put 90mm cannons on their MBTs at the same time.
Imperial FTL goes 90 light years per day btw.
@@nobleman9393 If 90mm could do what it's supposed to do there would be no need to keep adding numbers , you could even argue that it's lightweight due to progress.
Also the problem with Imperial FTL velocities in 40K is that the data is very inconsistent , judging trans-galactic velocities can vary from a few years to a year , not to mention the dangerous WARP dimensions .
Slip space, on the other hand, is not as problematic , and in fact such a technology in the 40K universe would surely make Guillimane or the god Emperor give direct orders for friendly diplomacy.
@@orionakd a gaus canon which fires projektiles 13.7km/sek, but has a range of merely 8km...^^
tau railguns are "slower" and have even subsonic amounition, but the heavy railguns can be faster if wantet
not to mention...
actual railguns (the heavy mountet ones) shoot with mach7, and that over 150km
im pretty sure they meant 4.4mach, which wouldf be still awesome
and even if ftl would work without issue (because humanity and all other races, including necrons are to dumb for basic ftl each young star empire need as base tech) warp travel is unreliable, but not "really" faster or slower in the end, with luck you just need seconds to minutes to cross the whole galaxy, if unlucky your voyage will take 800 years
The answer to the question of wether or not the unsc can survive in 40k or the covenant is the same it depends on the era of the imperium
Great crusade imperium-unsc survives but gets absorbed into the imperuim . The covenant gets annihilated though
Post Horus heresy-unsc gets destroyed due to ai but covenant stalemates due to it and imperuim being surrounded on all sides
Indomitus crusade- if guilliman and cawl meet the unsc leaders first then things should look good otherwise unsc gets destroyed
Całe is Mary sue
Yeah it can and it will, slipspace is not the warp after all.
It is now, as it is connected to 40k galaxy.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 plus the UNSC still has to deal with orks, tyrannids, necrons & chaos corruption/ the fact that daemons can & will corrupt/ possess UNSC AI's.
which is terrible because UNSC society is so heavily automated with AI's just like the federation of man was during the 15th - 25th millennium.
the UNSC are ill prepared for Ork hordes, Chaos warbands, Necron legions or Tyranid swarms.
they would get pulverized so bad from all directions that either the survivors flee to join the imperium, stay & get betrayed by their own AI's or get slaughtered by xeno's or chaos.
simply put the UNSC is not equipped or ready to survive the short term, never mind the immense timescale Warhammer operates at.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 That's something completely different.
UNSC: Uses AI
Imperium: loads Bolters religiously
imagine blowing up sombody's moon, you know the thing that controls their tides, and then calling them up on the phone and saying 'Greetings and Peace' imagining they'll take you seriously in any capacity.
You undersold the spartans but other than that i liked it
Not really? They owned Imperial navy personnel, and with inferior weaponry on hand proved capable of taking an Astartes down in melee of all things. Failing only because they weren't anticipating the sheer superhuman toughness of one. That's more credit than a lot of people would give a Spartan facing the Imperium.
@@RJALEXANDER777bruh, even the weakest spartan would tear an astartes apart. Even unarmored they could pick an astartes up and throw them, while being multiple times faster.
@@mattburkett9419 A spartan with an energy sword would pretty much destroy anything lol
I don’t care what anyone says, a squad of Spartan IIs would decimate a platoon of space marines
hold up a las gun staggers them? spartans fight the covenant who use straight up plasma rounds
In the story.
Spartans can crouch and dodge within two meters.
11 Mach particle cannons allow a Forerunner drone that can think in picoseconds to hit its own friendlies, I don't think the IG can hit a Spartan.
@@orionakd if insurrectionists and covenant can then so can the guard.
@@Epsilon-5
This is from a situation in the bungie storyboard , not in the game.
Covenant and insurrectionists I don't know anyone who can have that level of reflex response speed to dodge an 11 mach particle beam in two meters .
Additionally the Spartans have a much smaller projected area and are proven to have a short range acceleration of 100KM or more, which would make it extremely difficult for mortals to hit a Spartan .
In fact, even when the Spartans were each using the Forerunner's 11 Mach particle rifle , they still failed to hit each other , which is insane.
@@orionakd just because a gun is fast doesn’t mean it can’t be dodged, hell if I saw a guy pointing a gun at me I’d be able to dodge into cover and avoid a few shots
@@Epsilon-5 It's just saying that it's hard for a normal human to keep up with a Spartan , similar to a space marine versus a mortal.
This was soooooo well written, absolutely amazing I forgot I was listening to a TH-cam video, I unlocked my phone and expected to see audible
this is interesting but I think you forgot how big Imperial Space is and how fast UNSC ships are. the imperial can try to chase but with UNSC AI and slipspace, they can outrun all of their attempts. the imperial is also too big, and due to a poor filing system, they lost entire worlds. the UNSC can just move away from segmental terra and be fine, they are systems where the imperial shows up every 100 years or so. this makes for a far less interesting story compared to the one you told but one more likely to be. lastly, if you want the story to feel more organic I would recommend using the infinity next time. the original purpose of the Infinity was to be part of a mobile fleet to save humanity from extinction. just say Halo 3 didn`t happen and the humanity in Halo got as many people as they could on ships but were attacked by the covenant before they were ready. they activated the infinity forerunner slip space before it was properly installed and something went wrong. they were now in the 40k galaxy with most of their ships holding civilian populations in a space-fearing fleet.
almost forgot, call it heresy but depending on the chapter the Spartans will destroy the space marines. most space marines follow a warrior code and as such leave themselves exposed. and while they are stronger than Spartans, Spartans are better-trained combatants. Spartans without sword training have matched elite sword masters.
Yeah that’s actually valid point, their is only one chapter of space marines that actually use tactics instead of just charging in the fire zone
The UNSC would literally be another arm of the imperial Guard
Their Spartans would be like elite guard shock troops. Imo
6:44 I like this so far! Grounded and logical.
How do you think this would play out? 👀
If we going by book lore Spartans have better strength and speed feats then named space marines
This video was good ... VERY GOOD ... Are you planning on making a Could the COVENANT survive 40K? (Other options you could do: Arbiter's Swords of Sangheilos / Atriox's Banished / the Forerunners / the FLOOD )
I'm definitely up for making videos like that 100%! I've already got a few lined up including one that you've just mentioned and several other ideas from other universes. But seeing as I've had multiple ask me for a covenant video it looks like that one might be bumped up the list!
Can you do warframe there seriously not a single good video of one....
Warframe got so many similarly of warhammer like they got there own version of the warp which is the void the tenno are immune by it. If they're in the warp, they are mostly immune by the corruption since they already corrupted by the void.
So fair there is one God but still a mystery, it said this God is fair stronger then the 4 chaos gods mostly due. It own the void by itself, still don't know if it sentience. Eventually we will learn what it is or wants.
Anyways enemies of warframe is crazy like the grineer, there armor can be compared with Spartans armor but without a power armor, they are like 1/4 strength protection without shield. It stupid heavy about 1000 pounds. All that weight is lift up by there strength alone that why I said no power armor. They are originally created as slave labor clones which is why they are so strong carrying or lifting things.
Anyways the biggest threat would be the tenno with there warframe suit, they are too strong both physically and 5th Dimension powers.
The enemies name the sentient is basically stronger versions of the necrons
Eh I forgot to mention the warframe is basically the Golden Era of their time but majority of the technology is gone.
Anyways please look into it, warframe is very deep in lore like warhammer 40k
I forgot to mention they do have there own version of dreadnought in warframe for a player to control called the nekomech.
They got crew ship player can control name railjack etc there so much to do in this game
After watching this definitely it be very hard to try be independent traveling the world of warhammer 40k too many enemies want you dead.
Tenno from warframe would be the only faction that can truly independent by themselves. I can imagine them flying into imperial ships without them noticing with there void stealth technology.
Many times tenno able to park there ship next to enemies capital ship like they are blind to see. It really that stealthy. Most importantly tenno can easily kill a space marine, they are more beyond super soldiers. They're more like demi gods of super soldiers. I'm more interested how does the world of 40k interact the tenno. They can't be killed in battle, they can destroy there warframe body many times they want. But they will always stand up, the factions of 40k point of view would see them as a mystery alien that suddenly shows up easily take over planets by themselves to protect. I be interested to see a single tenno shows up middle of ork roar, while the imperial trying to defend but losing. Who knows if tenno drop in and help them out.
The Tau is probably one of the safest races to fight for the UNSC. Can't really imagine just how bad it would be for a 9ft tall, power armored monster to come stomping through one of their ships. Caring little for small arms fire, and practically dispatching targets with a glance.
Amazing video. I would love to read a story around this idea!!!
great video, can you do one with the covenant?
It's certainly on the table! If enough people ask for it I'll do it sooner but for now I have got other video ideas that I'm working on currently 😄
@@HypospaceYT if you are going to do one about the covenant in the future could you give them a large enough fleet to where they could stand a chance, like giving them high charity and the entire fleet around it
Oh absolutely!
A 26 minute video that could be summed up as "No." At the height of its power the UNSC is less numerous than the Tau Empire and if any existing faction in the 40k universe was able to put its full force into the Tau empire then they would be destroyed. The UNSC would have less of a chance than that. It may take time but every enemy in the 40k universe is FAR larger than the covenant. Honestly if they thought the naval battles vs the covenant were bad imagine going up against the Imperial Navy. That would be a nightmare.
BTW, my initial comment may have seemed dismissive so just to be clear I VERY much enjoyed the video. ❤
"The angel vs the demon" *blackbeard writing
Honestly, the Spartans and Astartes were done perfectly, well done
19:15 a Spartan would easily be able to lift a space marine with differing levels of struggle like a Spartan 2 would have no issue rag dolling a space marine though a Spartan 3 would struggle but would be able to do it though not rag dolling the space marine so it must be a Spartan 4
Couldn't have been a Spartan 4 it would have had to be a Spartan 2-3 also there some other issues
... No. Halo fanboys have no idea how heavy and strong space marines are. All Spartans are massively inferior. Everything in the 40k universe is overpowered by design. Nothing any spartan has done compares to what the average space marine does on the daily.
Bro the UNSC couldnt even survive halo without master chief; they barely survived it even with him
Ha no they barely survived the covanent and they would likely only survive in 40k so the UNSC? Yea no they will be wiped out. We have seen similar battles in the HH series of what the battle would be like.
Considering that the covenant is a wide spread alien coalition with huge numbers and standard issue plasma weapons and personal shields. I think it's very possible for the unsc to fill a niche not unlike the tau. Too much effort to deal with, not enough to make any true shifts in the galactic power struggle.
@@justinholt7059this. Not to mention their ships are leagues faster than the imperiums. They’d probably get into a skirmish and have their ass handed to them a couple times before saying “Adios” and finding a cozy spot at the corner of the galaxy to set up shop and maybe reverse engineer some tech while they’re at it. I could see the UNSC ending up merging with the tau, giving the tau reliable faster than light travel and smart ais, while offering the UNSC sanctuary and a boost in resources.
Also magnum shots to the neck would’ve absolutely killed the space marine. APHE 50 action express rounds are no joke.
@@mysteriousstranger5873lmao you do know even if someone shoots the spacemarine in the neck with the magnum the spacemarinevwill still live. The wound would start to clot and heal, and the spacemarine would have all kinds of stimulants to keep him alive as well. Granite he won't have a throat the spacemarine can hold his breath for 6mins and even longer. Also the marine might just survive the magnum shot theres been instances where spacemarines lose the whole right or left side of their face and head and they'll walk it off. So yeah halo guns got shit
The Spartans fist would break with one swing to an Astartes armor.
Cool vid
The idea that the Warhammer world is a feudal world in 40k is nice
UNSC plus Tau would be wild ngl
Being high as fuck and listening to a spartan Vs Space Marine was the greatest thing ever.
UNSC teamed up with Starfleet Command and the Tau... well they might be able to hold a sector. Maybe.
Easy answer is . . HELL NO!! every normal person needs to be a master chef just to even have a chance
I imagine the UNSC isn't too far off from the humanity that existed during the "dark age of technology"
Pancreas no work actually did a whole series on this....he made some excellent points.
Nice to see you gave the unsc a modicum of a chance, with their only real limiting fact being their woefully small size in comparison to everything else.
I even enjoyed the Astartes vs Spartan fight and how it did make sense. They're roughly equal to each other, but there's no way the Spartan could know just how tanky Astartes could be.
If you were to scale them then I would think they'd end up gridlocked. But without that its like Halo, with 10 billion and 40k has 100 trillion soldiers at their disposal.
Awesome perspective. The fight Spartan Vs Astartes was very well accounted
UNSC would probably be worshiped as they look like the golden age of humanity.
not really, the most advanced UNSC tech even with Forerunner add ons is vastly underpowered in 40k. even the Big E's golden armor is essentially golden age farmers overalls but its the best 30k Imperium can recreate and Big E doesnt really care it gets the job done anyways. Cortana level AI is also not going to be able to even crack AdMech computers let alone even the weakest Necron hardware
Where are Black Hole Guns and Star eating tentacles?
@@nobleman9393 Well the forerunners actually have that, they can more entire solar systems around with ease.
@@TheStrayHALOMANWhere?
It depends. Are we going by what 40K lore *_says_* or by what people *_imagine_* about it? Because if we're going by the lore, then the UNSC would kick the shit out of the Imperium. Imperial ships are very few (just look at how small the SECTOR battlefleets are compared to the USNC's organization) and don't really stand a chance against MACs and are extremely vulnerable to missile attacks. Going from how well UNSC ships with Halcyon-style internal structures (and all ships were modified as such over the course of the war and after and all new ships built were re-designed for it during the war) can tank large numbers of plasma torpedoes and even a plasma lance, both of which are used in _glassing planets_ and even Marine armor's ability to take at least a few plasma hits and their general weapons' effectiveness against the Covenant, it's safe to say that the UNSC would beat the absolute shit out of the Imperium.
The only thing the Imperium has to its advantage is numbers of soldiers on the ground. Which wouldn't matter because the UNSC is also very much willing to use large numbers of nuclear weapons and orbital bombardments on its own planets to win. Something even the Imperium very rarely is willing to even consider. Yeah, you outnumber the UNSC force a million to one. And with a press of a button, suddenly you're army no longer exists. This is without even touching on freaking ODPs and the vast amount of other orbital and surface defenses the UNSC makes heavy use of.
Also, ODPs are _NOT_ connected to a surface power source. They have never been shown to be like that at all and clearly are only ever shown not even having a physical connection to the ground. It was just in a novel and the novels tend to claim lots of things we see for ourselves aren't remotely true. Anyway, this means they can be moved to use as extremely long range nails in the Imperium's coffin. They didn't do this against the Covenant for the same reason they didn't do a lot of things that would have easily won the war: to sell awesome video games.
And on the ground, keep in mind that the bullets fired by UNSC guns look like lasers from how fast and _hot_ the bullets are. This implies there is a whole lot more to them than just a normal bullet. Probably miniature MACs with the standard chemical projectile system being used as a source of additional energy. Because there's no reason not to and there would be centuries of such industry already built. Best to capitalize on it and enhance it than replace it entirely.
Fans generally vastly exaggerate the Imperium's capabilities because they cannot stomach the fact that there are, albeit very few, much less advanced settings that can walk all over it.
So you say that 40k fans ignore their own lore and make shit up, but then you proceed to ignore Halo's lore and make shit up?
Doom Guy: Hold my shotgun ammo i got this.
If you think about it the Tau and UNSC might be a very good foil for the Imperium. Tactics, tech, and versatility are the most important factors of this alliance. It is safe to assume that UNSC Marines and Spartans would train Tau troops and give them a whole spoonful of training. While the AI of the UNSC can help the Tau achieve a force of Spartans. They likely Spartans 3’s but if they get Spartans 1’s then the imperium is going to be in a world of trouble.
Spartans are much better supersoldiers than space marines, but there are a LOT more space marines.
Even if all of humanity was made of Spartans I don't think it would be enough. The imperium of man is just too big and too powerful
I think a more interesting scenario would involve the UNSC being pulled into the 40k verse by some sort of xeno tech that happened to be activated by a Rogue Trader. He is immediately intrigued and starts to talk to them. He is his own master and though he serves the aimperium his curioisity and seeing the potential in selling "alien" human tech is too strong to ignore and he keeps them around. UNSC learn all about the Imperium and try to lay low out of their way while they gather info from scouting and small incursions
I think the UNSC would have more advantages with long-range engagements with Super MACs & MACs supported with AI targeting algorithms. Warhammer 40k ships tend to be more suited for close quarters and broadsides. Also UNSC is used to being on the backfoot with their prior experience of fighting the Covenant who was more technology advanced and greatly outnumbers the UNSC.
I wanna see a Forerunners VS Necrons episode. Or something along the lines where the ancient powers like Eldar or Necrons fight the ancient powers of the other Sci Fi universes like the flood, Forerunners. Also wanna see a Doom Marine (From Doom Franchise) VS a Space Marine (Warhammer 40K)
precursor as reality former like the oldones maybe (tech no human mind can really comprehend, comparing such factions is kinda useless, but with things like the warp and "last minute creations" like the eldar and orcs i would say the oldones "delivered" here more)
forerunner are just eldar light in all points, aslong you dont say that forerunner could atleast evolve 100x faster
doomguy in the other hand is comparable with atleast an average eldari god/c´tan, letting him fight against mere spacemarines would be very onesided
the flood are more dangoures than the tyranids and could really fight in the war in heaven, worthy of the degeneratet form of the precoursers
40K & Halo. - A crossover that I didn't know I wanted until just now!
However, if I may give you some advice: instead of using generic footage, it would have been much better to create something suitable for the story. Either your own footage, which is probably too expensive, or AI-generated footage.
Spartans - "Am I a joke to you"
Space Marine - "Yes"
Space Marine Chaplin - "Absolutely"
Custodies - "..."
Guiliman - "You can be my new cup bearer"
This question comes down to how quickly the UNSC can reverse engineer the weapons, hardware, and mechanics of other factions’ technologies. And if that’s the case, the UNSC could do well enough to keep itself afloat, and find themselves in a similar situation as the Tau Empire. They wouldn’t necessarily have the means to conquer the galaxy, but they can hold the line when protecting their own territory.
40K kicks arse and takes names, shows up without a pencil.
What if the covenant and unsc joined forces in the 40k universe as they’d need each other to survive
I enjoyed that. I'm a first time listener to this channel, I'm looking forward to going through your library, hopefully I find more stuff this good 😊
UNSC is very lucky that Abelard wasn't there and was busy in the Koronus Expanse.
So we can all agree this is a thought experiment that should have taken no more than 20 seconds to come to conclusion. UNSC gets absolutly fucked by every single race in 40k with the exception of MAYBE the tau and even the tau might fuck on the unsc.
I see the Flood and Tyranids competing to see who can take over the galaxy first.
The one thing Halo has over 40k is their AI. Halo can use AI to Hack 40K tech
Id give Master Chief even odds against any astartes or custodis but he wouldn't stand a chance against even the weakest primarch.
As long as Erebus is around, there will be no preace or cohesion between the humans of halo and the imperium of man
I'm 10 minutes in and I'm like "Average Spirit of fire side adventure" 😂
I went straight into this assmunig the UNSC would join the Tau, wasnt really disappointed
Im sorry but the 40k Imperium is the UNSC x MILLIONS. Its not even close.
If they suddenly got dropped in 40k universe, if the Chaos gods cnt get to them, they probably will try to hide in a desolated planet thats filed to the brim by sleeping Necrons
They have a bad luck waking xenoshits up you see
I've never heard of the Astra Militarum running from an enemy in fear.
That's because a lot of the time they don't get the chance, getting gunned down either by the enemy or their pissed off local Commissar. They are, however, still regular humans and very much know fear. hell, I'd run too if I saw some guy in weird power armor doing shit I'd only ever heard of Space Marines doing.
What about pitting 40k orcs against Fallout supermutants? Frank Horrigan from fallout2 has to lead the supermutants though. That would be a fight to behold.
if they met the salamanders it's possible they would survive, only if they were considered human that is.
Listen I love the UNSC, but there not ready for the actual hell that is the 40k universe