I've had quite a few comments asking me to make a video on the Covenant and if they can survive... Ask and you shall receive. But if you also have any other ideas that you'd like me to cover with a short story on feel free to give me suggestions!
i would love to see this but with more unc forces involved might be interesting if a few worlds came along too with there feets and maybe how the imprium would react if they manged to get a unsc ship intact
It depends on the era Great crusade imperuim sweeps the covenant no difficulty post great crusade it’s a stalemate unless guilliman or a primarchs is around
Can you do the same thing but for the a covenant fleet like high charity’s fleet or fleets or teleport the entire unsc into warhammer 40k like how pancreasnowork does his halohammer stuff but in a more story oriented sort of way 👌
the covenant would become a fairly large faction, and may be one of the few that doesn't end up fighting a war on all fronts because their hate is reserved specifically for humanity, not to mention theyd be hard to pin down because they dont have a homeworld, theyre all on high charity the flood, if going unnoticed for long enough to hit gravemind stage, would absolutely devour 40k, this is a parasite similar to tyranids, only instead of developing counters to enemy weapons, they just outright steal them, and, also, when a keymind does form, reality itself is infected by the flood the forerunners would absolutely dominate 40k and its not even close, its an empire 3 times the size of the imperium and out techs the imperium going as far back as even the dark age, where they were at their technological peak, if the imperium can handle the entire galaxy bearing down on it and WIN alot of those battles, the foreunners, who simply have better everything, can solo
@@robotwithnoname7677 it's not just a void. When they commit to ftl they pierce the fabric of the universe. And like how as an earthworm digs through the earth. The path behind them closes off. Essentially temporary pockets that slingshot you to where you need to go.
UNSC engineer: YOU PRESS THE DANG NUMBERS, THEN YOU PRESS THE START BUTTON! AND THATS HOW YOU DO IT! Mechanicus: NUH UH. YOU COVER IT IN HOLY OILS AND YOU DO 10 DIFFERENT 50 HOUR RITUALS THEN CHANT FOR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT TO DIVE INTO ITS SECRETS!
Imagine a spartain finds the bodies of like 8 ODSTs with a dead ork and he looks at the gun and its a fully solid block of wood with an arrop pointing towards the barrel saying “shooty bit”
With how active the Emperor has become, I feel the UNSC's arrival to earth likely would have gone differently. The Emperor with his foresight likely would've known of their coming, or have been made instantly aware of it upon their arrival. While it's difficult to know what the response would be, I'd think he'd want to know more above all else. Either the Imperium's attack would be called off or it wouldn't have happened. Some sort of tense agreement would be reached to have a representative sent down or up. Due to the delicate nature of the situation, only a Custodes guided by the Emperor could likely be trusted even then I could see him doing that weird custodes possession thing he can do in order to ensure an actual discussion can be had. The Emperor would quickly learn the truth one way or another; while human they are from another universe or timeline- What matters most is on all accounts they are from somewhere Chaos does not exist. Upon that realization, they immediately become invaluable just by merit of existing. From that point on, there are many ways it could go, but I think the Emperor's skills (even eroded from sitting on the throne) would largely defuse any immediate conflict unless he could see that the optimal path forward was for the Astartes/Custodes to seize the ship and all it's crew. One way or another there'd be an exchange of information, the Emperor would see their value and mutual cause and either seek to use their knowledge to fix his own universe or some method of bringing humanity or a good chunk of it into the Halo Universe (All he wants is for Humans to be free of Chaos and on top). It's important to remember that if the AI are able to even consider they're in a different universe, the Emperor would probably be able to just tell they're from a different one.
That's a great point, but it then brings up the question of if the UNSC is even willing to talk to the Imperium for long enough to form any kind of truce. The Emperor/Guilliman would be a great start but seeing as how rotten the Imperium is with its disregard for human life in servitors, manufactorums and other areas alongside the sheer religious zealotry it would be extremely horrifying to even consider talking to them in any capacity let alone ally with them. There may be a truce should the Emperor/Guilliman force it but it would be super uneasy for both sides. A super cool idea either way!
There’s a major flaw I. The initial spartan vs astartes fight. Based on a quick google search, a spartan is fully capable of lifting an astartes, without their armor assisting. Master Chief squared 100 tons and punched a Banshee away, which ways 2.5 tons. More than that though, based on canonical events, Spartans were known to have a punch near, or in some cases in excess of 600,000 newtons. That’s almost double the force of a 120mm round out of an m1 Abram’s. On top of that, the Spartans armor without shielding can withstand more than 200,000 psi, and Spartans have survived direct hits from tanks which would have a force of more than 15 millions newtons. Then you have to factor in their speed, without armor Spartans can run 30+mph and armored can run over 100mph. Not to mention how fast their reaction times are. Which are appx 10x faster than a baseline human in non combat situations, and nearing 50x faster in combat. For the most part, a single spartan would tear through astartes the same way an astartes would tear through unsc marines.
@@JayJayM57 They've been doing exactly that for _thousands_ of years against multiple races across the galaxy, just having to fight one would be a vacation! The UNSC is fighting *_One._* Two, if you want to count the flood. Imperium fights SEVEN on a daily basis for thousands of years, among them are literal daemons from Space Hell that can fuck reality (literally and figuratively), and they've been holding on against all odds for THOUSANDS of years quite well. UNSC is barely surviving against ONE. Oh, so scary, having to fight One enemy that isn't fucking with reality, fielding billions of hordes on the first day, or sending out snipers hiding in a pocket dimension that can pop your best tank with their basic sniper rifle. The Imperium sure cannot hold a candle against one faction.
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled that`s not the issue here. maplemayhem1988 is talking like the UNSC survived via a miracle when the covenant took greater losses the closer they got to earth. in the last 5 years alone the covenant lost 3 fleets and a forge world. also, the UNCS was building a fleet of ARK ships to leave. The Infinity and her 2 sister ships were designed to be arks to turn humanity into a fleet-based race where they could go away and those ships could mine resources, build ships, support a growing population, create Spartans, etc. They had shields, the best FTL around, could take capital ships, and constantly self-upgrade and repair. and they had enough fuel to go on for centuries without resupply. so his assumption of the UNSC is incredibly wrong and laughable if you know anything about 40k lore. the imperium was in constant decline for 10k years surviving only by the will of the imperium guard. the UNSC was constantly evolving and upgrading.
@@martintheaquilanshield3917 UEG which is the Government maybe. The UNSC/ONI No they wouldn't be sad and helpless. They would be recruiting the Imperials who currently live under the Tau. Stealing every scrap of technology and intelligence they can about the Tau empire and especially their militaries tactics. And plotting to overthrow the Xenos. This speech by the UEG president might seem kind at first glance but there is a line in it that shows where humanity intends to be in any alliance. "Humanity can now breathe again. The Covenant has finally been driven back. The cost in lives-our troops and our citizens-has been enormous. But freedom never comes cheaply, and now, we rebuild. I promise this to every man, woman and child on Earth and in its colonies. While we will continue to strive for a peaceful coexistence with other species, humanity will never again allow itself to be the victim of aggression. This is the moment we start to reclaim our rightful place in the universe." - President Ruth Charet delivers an address during her inauguration. That last line . " This is the moment we start to reclaim our rightful place in the universe." And what is humanity's rightful place in the universe? Any Imperial citizens of the Imperium want to answer ? The UNSC and ONI's answer is to be the dominant power in the universe.
Seemed more of a unsc fleet on 40k. Would be interesting to see how unsc gaining a pathway to the 40k universe would play out, especially at different points in time for the unsc. Just before contact at harvest, or before the fall of reach, shortly after the end of halo 3. Each time period brings different tech and logistic situations for the unsc.
At least they don't stagnate on tech and they've demonstrated to be able to reverse engineer some stuff. They could probably be a 2nd human faction with some kind of alliance with the tau empire.
Great story! I saw PancreasNoWork's video on the UNSC in 40k a few months back. This story matches up closely with one of his scenerios where the UNSC are bombarded by threats before they can get a foothold on any planets. I gotta agree with Pancreas that if the UNSC were to fortify themselves in at least a couple systems and get some good industry going under the radar, then they'd be a formidable force in the 40k galaxy. It all really depends on the circumstances they enter the setting under.
Honestly, the UNSC are probably the ONE faction that would be an absolute NIGHTMARE to deal with if they get the time to turtle up and remain hidden, they may have been getting their asses handed to them by the Covenant but for every battle that delayed the Covenant that was valuable time for the UNSC to do a great many things to try and scratch out the odds from being so stacked against them. Time wasn't on the UNSC's side in Halo, if it was it would have been a fair fight more often than not.
Spartans in Tau armour would be super interesting to see! I love the thought of them pulling similar stunts to the alpha legion of making worlds turn to the Tau empire under the guise of them being Astartes. How effective it would be though is a different question.
Only if they strike a truce with one of the larger faction. The zelots in the imperium would instantly kill them the eldar if in a good mood might spare them the tau would accept and the chaos would never get on their best bet is with the tau and fly under the radar till they can get enough manpower and resources to not get smited by the imperium
@@spartanx9293 honestly best bet would probably be Farsights tau over the tau as a whole, but most definitely tau. Best bet with humans might be running into a group like the ultramarines or Salamanders first. The space marines over the imperium might actually talk before firing. Though the imperium in general tends to not.
@@spartanx9293And AI, and imagine when UNSC finds out about servitors. Imperium has my favorite factions, but I would prefer to live under the tau or just be born as eldar, or even a necron
Something that needs to be said about the scale of the war in the Warhammer 40k universe is that during the Great Crusade in the 30th millennium the Primarchs found multiple human planets with a level of technological development similar to the UNSC in the Halo franchise, like... many
If the Imperium wasnt so trigger happy they could have opened a dialogue with the splinter fleet of the UNSC. There has to be someone smart enough, maybe a tech-priest or a well-learned captain, to realize that the UNSC were human. This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI and that they are more confused than the imperials are. UNSC would eventually explain that they thought that they were orbiting Earth, rather than "Holy Terra", they have non-warp ftl drives that are way more efficient than warp drives (cue Mechanicus oiling their collective robes), and they also have their own breed of bio-enhanced super soldiers which are more close to Astartes than the Imperium realizes (maybe even use the UNSCs data to make Spartans for the Millitarum, though thats doubtful cause honestly I love Spartans, but the Astartes are basically Spartans but better). The Imperium would eventually welcome the UNSC fleet and share technology with them as well as explaining on their end what they're all about (though I doubt the UNSC personnel would be down with the whole theocracy thing). Gulliman (assuming this takes place when he is now Lord Commander) would be facinated with the UNSC and basically grant them immunity; gicing them intel, arms, training, a contingent of Primaris to assist the Spartans, and maybe even have the Mechanicus retrofit their fleet to some degree with newer and shiner toys (guns, like really big fucking guns). At some point, the splinter fleet would find themselves at odds with the home fleet they separated from. Now THAT is a battle I would love to speculate about! Two sides that came from the same place, but sheltered in different forms and bolstered by different galactic powers.
Thats a really cool idea! But i am sorry if what i will say next sounds like party pooping. The Imperium Does not reason, AI is a sin and the UNSC will be made into Servitors if they dont watch their own back 24/7. Sadly, Roboute can't be up to date on everything in the Imperium, so i doubt he would even realize what happened.
This would be such a good storyline to eventually see the two different unsc factions grow apart from each other and become different entities all together until eventually they meet each other again a couple hundred years later and immediately start fighting as both are now kinda just sub factions of the imperium and tau respectively
The Spartan's strength is its light weight for its weight class. This results in good acceleration. However, I won't deny the durability of the Astarte . The Astarte is very durable. (The Spartan is currently in service for less than 50 years , and is expected to last a century, with no indication of whether it will last much longer .) On the other hand Spartans can even have offspring , which makes them more versatile. Men and women can become Spartans, and the success rate of Spartans in the 3rd generation is extremely high. Imagine a planet of billions of people, all made up of Spartans III, with a few of them becoming Spartans II.
"This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI " Unfortunately for the UNSC to the Imperium of Man and the Mechanicus there is no reason they could give that would save them from immediate obliteration and that planet they contacted would probably under a very real threat of exterminatus as a way to ensure no "abominable intelligence" has a chance of hiding on it. As the old Imperial saying goes: "Innocence proves nothing." The UNSC wouldn't be the 1000th non-imperial Humans the IOM has encountered and they wouldn't be the 1000th they exterminated by the 41st millennium.
UNSC shows up>"are you peaceful?" the astartes>"do you believe in the god Emperor?" UNSC>"who's that?" Astartes>"anyway we decided they dident deserve to live" and proceeded to send one guy on each planet to "cleanse" the heretics. obv they would then do that for every other race XD at least that's how i see it going. the UNSC tends to try and be "the good guys" and negociate, the imperium dosent care
@@Frightful_Fetuccine i mean if you can lock them on probably, or if you can even see them before they shoot you/stab you, or if you can deal with their psykers, as for the spartans id guess a spartan is basically at a "good space marine" level, but even then aside from an anti tank gun they aint going through any armor while each shot of the astartes would be mostly guaranteed death... okay maybe would need two, one for the shield, one for the guy.
@@Frightful_Fetuccine He was overexaggerating obviously, but a better than average Space Marine let loose in the Halo universe could create Master Chief level of destruction.
The orks specifucally are a bad matchup cause the humans would bloody them. The UNSC biggest advantage is that they arent retarded and wont send spartains or marines and the like to deal with orks. They would glass the bitch and move on. Or put up a shield
Kind off, as a side character perhaps, but in all honesty no not really, again if it’s the entire UNSC, then they’d be in a similar situation as the tau but much weaker, since they don’t all use gundams, but what the UNSC lacks in overlapping or overwhelming power, they make up for it in their flexibility and adaptability, and again considering that most planets in the UNSC have an orbital defense system as well as a stable FTL system along with AI, does make them a dangerous force to be reckoned with, but again, if we’re going with pre covenant war UNSC, the fact that the UNSC’s ships lacks any form of shields or shielding and relies solely on their point defenses and sheer weight of armor, isn’t going to be all that effective when you consider that an imperial lance turret is the equivalent of a covenant glassing laser, where it’s been clearly shown that a single shot from a covenant glassing beam is enough to cut a UNSC autumn class heavy cruiser in half and a macro cannon would basically be akin to the shots fired by four MAC cannons fired from an ODP, again in a straight up fight, the UNSC isn’t going to win, again considering that the standard ma5c fires the equivalent of a modern 7.62 AP round which yes is okay at killing something more human sized, is completely and utterly pointless or useless when you’re dealing with say a hoard of orks or a swarm of Tyranids in which even killing something like an elite usually requires the user to dump half a magazine into them before they’re killed and the best comparison in the halo universe would be akin to an army of brutes mixed with the durability of a hunter, again even lasbolts which would be equivalent to the DMR from halo reach requires something akin to half a power pack just to drop a single ork, and again that’s not including things like say for example armor which an ork typically wears, there’s a reason why in 40K there are things like castles or fortresses or giant defensive structure is because, to simply put it overwhelming firepower is utterly and completely useless and irrelevant if the enemy has already closed into melee range in which outside of a tau or even an eldar, everything else is far larger and stronger than your average space marines to the point where even space marines tend to have trouble when dealing with orks due to how resilient they are to damage as well as to how physically strong they are, whilst again the UNSC has access to better and cleaner tech than that of the imperium, again even something as silly s Their main battle tanks would be easily destroyed due to the fact that whilst a high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord, that’s about it, unless you’re talking about a grizzly then perhaps it could take on a tyrant guard but even then, what about the other millions of hormagaunts and other smaller Tyranid lifeforms charging the tank, since outside of the likelihood that the scorpion is given a coaxial chain gun in its turret, the only other option are the right guys with rifles sitting on the side skirts or the poor sod in the heavy machine turret getting ripped to shreds or blown up with the vehicle, again whilst the halo warthog is cool, it’s exposed compartments and lack of any actual protection is more likely to result in the occupants being eaten alive by the living ammunition of the tyranids, shot or blown to pieces by the orks or imperium, again imagine if reach was forced to undergo say an ork invasion kinda like the third war for Armageddon or an invasion by the tyranids, not to mention the corrupting influences of chaos or the taint spread by genestealer who can pass as a human unless they’re biologically scanned and checked, then entire genestealer cults would start popping up everywhere but even then there would still be the massive or utter lack of resources and available ammunition,
If UNSC's assets included the entire Onyx , the situation would be very different. Forerunner sees the humans of the UNSC universe as Reclaimer. Forerunner has inserted genesong into the genes of humans in Halo tens of thousands of years ago. so that humans can have the highest level of access to Forerunner's legacy . (Imagine that , just like the IOM humans have the ability and full access to control Necrons creations)
"high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord" Theres no way you just implied a swarmlord is surviving a fucking tank shell to the jaw log off buddy wtf is that im cryin
great video, loved how you did justice for both the spartan and space marine. only critique is even if the Spartan's body was paralyzed the armor would still move thanks to the neural bridge that links directly between the spartan's brain and armor and though not used often/at all in the lore a spartan can remove the safety limiters on their micro-fusion reactor to vaporize anything and everything in a roughly 20 meter radius with just a thought. but still a great fight
There are places in the milkyway without warp routes where the UNSC could set up shop. Over a century or three at most they could reverse engineer imperial weapons if they stay quiet and unnoticed.... which is pretty easy to do on a galaxtic scale. Not to mention the UNSV knows how to reproduce and fix its own technology.
@@whiteeye3453 Ya know the Energy Shields the UNSC has for Spartans? That came about from a _Jackal shield gauntlet._ The UNSC _reverse engineered full body energy shielding_ from a single _point defense gauntlet_ it is entirely within the realm of possibility for the UNSC to reverse engineer Imperial tech and even improve upon it. If the UNSC _can_ turtle and stay unnoticed they WILL have some of the best tech possible and they most likely will Cole Protocol like usual in the event of any information about their territory is at risk of being captured, that entails the complete destruction of all navigational data and the ship's onboard AI if the evacuation of the AI is impossible with the AI itself most likely ensuring the success of the Cole Protocol.
@@whiteeye3453 One, the Imperium of Man is _so backwards they wouldn't even try to reverse engineer anything_ and two, Slipspace travel is both faster and safer than Warp Travel but that's besides the point. Now, it seems you don't know what Cole Protocol entails. Here is the basic intructions of the first draft of the Cole Protocol 1. All UNSC and civilian ships which come in contact with alien assets must have NAV computer/AI erased-destroyed if necessary-to prevent capture of core world locations. 2. ALL Human vessels fleeing from alien forces must do so on a randomly generated vector away from UNSC core world locations. .3 ONI Section II to immediately begin Slipstream space attenuated broadcast of pre-recorded human carrier signals from antiquity to prevent triangulation of Earth. Cole Protocol Article 1: The Cole Protocol To safeguard and protect the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers. If any Covenant forces are detected: 1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks. 2. Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized. 3. Execute viral data scavengers 4. If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center. 5. In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces and boarders, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct. Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON and pursuant to UNSC Military law articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution. Even if the UNSC ships can't get away there will be nothing left of those ships for the Imperium to use, Article 2: Destruction or capture of a shipboard AI is absolutely unacceptable. Now you may think "You've contradicted yourself" but hold your horses because Article 2 has the stipulation "if extraction is not possible, the AI must be purged" which clearly states even the AI will have to go if it's bad enough. THAT is what I mean by "Cole Protocol" like usual, the UNSC takes that VERY seriously, as in the only reason that, in 27 years of conflict with the Covenant, the Covenant didn't discover Human presence on Earth or other worlds through anything on a captured ship. The Covenant found Earth because they were trying to get to the Lesser Ark, the Covenant happened to have a relic hunting fleet stumble upon Reach, but they never once found out about either Reach or Earth because of data from a Human ship.
T'au Spartans sounds sick, and would be a really neat conversion. I know what to do with a few Spartans from the Halo: Flashpoint game coming out later this year o7
I honestly cringe whenever ppl try to compare spartans to space marines as they are from both different universes, timelines, and both have different roles in warfare. But you did an amazing job showing how while spartans can be deadly, astartes can also be deadlier. You perfectly set them up as simply both strong units but 1 can survive longer. Keep up the good work!
Thank you mate! I tried my best to really show that these two are so much closer in their strengths than people give them credit for, I may be somewhat biased towards the Astartes but I know that a Spartan can still hold their ground and even kill them (depending on the type and chapter) It just came down to one factor really. Durability, in which the Astartes are far more suited than the Spartans.
@@HypospaceYTagreed. I've mentioned this in other threads, a Spartan II vs a recent astartes graduate has about a 2 in 5 chance of victory. A III would have probably a 1 in 5 and a IV maybe a 1 in 10. Depending on the individual Spartan of course. The two super soldiers are in reasonable shouting range of one another ability wise. Of course the gap in capabilities grows with the experience of the Astartes seeing they can have literal centuries of combat capabilities and experience but 1v1 against a new Space Marine and a Spartan does have a shot.
@@TrenchCoatDingo the ones with the best augmentation are the only ones to really consider. All the other S IIIs were nothing more than canon fodder sent on suicide missions. I mean they could probably do a number on a few Imperial World's infrastructure but due to lack of quality equipment and top level augments they wouldn't lose much of a threat to a Space Marine.
@@joshuahogan3475 and then you just have the difference in weapons and armor. true that Spartan's armor has shields, but most of weapons they would have as standard issue wouldn't do jack to Space Marine armor unless they were VERY lucky in hitting a weak spot. where as a Bolter is just death every round, worse than Brute shot.
Don't need to waste your time The Librarians and Knights would get the job done Just make sure you didn't late or some crazy Inquisitor will bombardier the planet
Wow this was really good, I'm glad that you are continuing the crossovers. I was looking forward to seeing the entire UNSC in 40K maybe just before the war to help with inconsistencies but I understand that would probably be a lot longer story and I feel like you provided an accurate comparison when it comes to strength between the factions and that ending was the most likely besides the UNSC fleet getting completely destroyed. 2 things I will say though is that I'm pretty sure the UNSC only blows up their ship reactors and does not do a operation upper cut every time they initiate the Cole protocols but I guess that captain wanted to be extra sure lmao. Also with the fight between the spartan and the astartes I think it would of been cool if the spartan used the fail safe detonation system and took the astartes out with it. In regards to suggestions the obvious big hitters besides the covenant is ancient humanity/ancestors, the forerunners and the flood and/or the precursors since spoiler: Epitaph confirmed they are the same thing just at different levels of complexity. However if you want to do smaller inclusions like with this then perhaps you could do the banished or the didacts approach while was on its way to Earth. You could even do the UNSC Infinity when it made that random slipspace jump but it probably wouldn't be much different from this despite being way way way stronger its just not enough to start a interdependent faction, unless it becomes the unsc version of a craftworld which I guess was its intended purpose in lore. Anyways, great video I hope you continue this series.
I would think it'd be more considered a lost era human coming back home. 🤔 ehile they wouldn't hesitate to destroy them but they would more likely open up negotiations
Last time a ancient human vessel from the dark age of technology came, the imperium slaughtered the crew and the IA killed lots of astartes before leaving the galaxy while flipping off the imperium
The Covvies showing up would also be an interesting foil to the Tau and an annoyance to the Imperium, as a somewhat larger, but not that large, xenos empire rallying against humanity. They'd get plenty of recruits into the fold as well, but run into enough trouble to keep them very busy.
It really isn't It'd be the tau hard carrying absolutely everything The unsc only live in halo because of plot armour while the tau actually are capable of surviving
The UNSC could make for a solid guardsman regiment. Bear in mind they are known for having very advanced training as the UNSC beat the Covenant on most ground engagements, only losing to orbital bombardment. Spartans could serve as an elite spec ops force capable of infiltration missions and, assignments making Space Marine deployment less neccesary in certain scenarios. Cortana could probably be passed off as a machine spirit, considering she was created using human DNA and is technically not fully inorganic. The Imperium would simply need to augment them with some better technology for combat. Slip space is far faster than Warp travel and far more safe. This could lead to the imperium no longer relying on warp travel if the UNSC teams up with the mechanicus and mass produces the slip space drives. The large increase in resources and planets would allow for much greater fielding and creations of Spartans of various levels of design(Spartan 2s, and Spartan 3s would be created in mass due to hive worlds having billions of potential candidates. Spartan 4 augments could also help with increasing the effectiveness of adult Guardsman commisars, officers, and tempestus scions). ONI definitely may find themselves in trouble if they try to reverse engineer xeno technology but considering the Mechanicus is sketchy at times, they may be able to hide this. I TLDR: Overall I think the UNSC could function quite well as an Auxillary faction and/or Guardsman regiment for the Imperium. As a bonus combat shielding, and less invasion augmentations may be able to limit casualties and increase effectiveness of human units. (if properly tuned for the scale of 40k weapons).
UNSC would rebel at mind control and forced religious indoctrination, and they'd be so naively vocal about it (when you lived in a world where freedom of speech is a fundamental right, and fundamental human rights does exist, you can make rookie mistakes like theses in 40K). Enough to ensure there would be no UNSC member left within a year of them integrating the Imperium; but some of their tech will remain and be put to good use... For the Emperor!
22:00 I would have used fire team omega Mostly people need to get it out of their heads.But Spartans do not only use the generic infantry weapons of the u.N.S c marines They use anything and everything
The answer to the question of wether or not the unsc can survive in 40k or the covenant is the same it depends on the era of the imperium Great crusade imperium-unsc survives but gets absorbed into the imperuim . The covenant gets annihilated though Post Horus heresy-unsc gets destroyed due to ai but covenant stalemates due to it and imperuim being surrounded on all sides Indomitus crusade- if guilliman and cawl meet the unsc leaders first then things should look good otherwise unsc gets destroyed
This was extremely well done. The feudal world as a setting for first contact within the "new" galaxy and the Tau Empire being the UNCs first meeting with any of the major factions within this new, utterly brutal, and exceedingly violent existence that is 40k was extremely thought out and well done. Great job. I never figured or thought that the Imperium of Man would be so quick to fire upon another completely unknown and totally alien human faction. I'd think they would at least be a bit more diplomatic, rational, and thought out and want details to this new human presence. Their immediate brutality and hostility was shocking in this story. Though being that its 40k if they hesistate for a second too long they'll get wiped out, or have a chaos invasion, or who knows what. So i guess i understand their hostility. Any hesitation and dare i say "humanity", literally gets you killed in the 40k universe.
The UNSC probably wouldn't stand much chance vs the tyranids, since the tyranids are basically a more expansive/powerful/scary version of the flood. Necrons are the forerunners/prometheans on steroids, advanced technology taken to a completely new level for the UNSC. the Imperium would probably be willing to collaborate with the UNSC, so would the Tau and Eldar, the Orks might cooperate if offered certain forms of tech like slipspace or MAC weaponry, it really depends on which faction the UNSC meets first and how diplomacy goes
Nah, the Eldar view anyone that's not them as less that cockoraches. If they ever encountered the UNSC they would most likely simply avoid them, as they would be far beneath their notice and of absolutely no use technology wise, the eldar already being by far the most tech advanced race in the universe, rivaled only by the necrons.
Nope. Spartans don't have that ability plus your average Spartan is 7 to 8 ft tall and 400 plus pounds wearing half a ton of power armor. And has a lot of tech that your average Space Marine doesn't have. Oh and fun fact Astartes aren't post -human they are augmented and well trained humans. Implanting organs and doing genetic, chemical and cybernetic modifications to the human body doesn't make them the Demigods that many 40k fans head cannon make them out to be. They still bleed and they still die like another human. Though the Spiderman meme moment when a Space Marine sees Jorge-052 would be rather funny if were giving Halo everything and tossing them into 40k. Realistically aside from orders if there any given as in if the UNSC were at war with each other would change this. But more often than not Spartans and Space Marines would probably get along fine.
imagine blowing up sombody's moon, you know the thing that controls their tides, and then calling them up on the phone and saying 'Greetings and Peace' imagining they'll take you seriously in any capacity.
I mean in a full fleet on fleet action the UNSC might do alright just because they have AI and the ability to travel slip space instead of the warp. But Astartes win against the UNSC every time
Soldiers of 40k are no where close to the soldiers of DAOT... Just because years progress doesn't mean they are more advanced...Most of our tech and power got wiped out by the men of iron.
If we are talking about an average imperial guardsman vs a UNSC marine post war, honestly it could go either way as they wear near enough the same armour, the only difference is training, weapons and how they think
@@rossgadsby9663 yeah, as we saw in the video spartans can win against an average space marine, but a few hundred spartans can't win against against millions of astares
@@Aged_Onions bro what??? A space marine can lived up to 500 years or more. Can spartan lived more than 200 years while active in duty? Spartan is just augmented human. While astartes is demi god stronger than super soldier like captain America. They have 12 implants directly from a primarch. Astartes also have titan, emperor class titan, imperator class titan, astartes bolter are stronger than 762 lol. Imperium also has custode. 1 custode is enough to kill hundreds of spartan.
I feel like if the unsc was able to assimilate into the tau empire it would soon spell the end of the imperium. The tau tech could probably help make a staggering amount of Spartans and probably even more advanced ones. That’s all assuming they don’t fall to chaos lol
I'm also heard that Terra was moved from Earth's initial position at some point during the Age of Technology and with all the Warp Shenanigans and tens of thousands of years of time passed there's no chance that Splipspace Topography wasn't altered if not completely thrown out of wack from what the UNSC knows and the Ships sent to earth wouldn't have ended anywhere near where they thought Earth Was.
that was great. very well done and detailed on both sides. only real bias I could feel was everyone is headed for the grim dark feel, no one's coming out of that one smiling
Fuck that hurt to hear that the Spartan went down. That shit made me wanna cry, I knew he was screwed as soon as he didn’t finish him off because I’m a fan of both series but damn does that hurt…
Juxtaposing the relatablability to the UNSC against the Imperium of Man is a brilliant way of putting how batshit 40K is into perspective. Very well done 👍
I feel like UNSC would be the earliest possible part of the "dark age of technology." There are many things they are not capable of doing that the dark age created. But many of the craziest dark age creations were made to fight the men of iron.
@@StevenGregersen the UNSC is probably in comparison to humanity a few centuries of mankind outside of the solar system, maybe a dozen other systems with human civilization, early ai and very naive to the universe around them
Dark Ages of Technology is far beyond anything in Halo….. The height of Humanity Technology that can conquer half of the galaxy. 40k tech in current time is like 40% compare to dark ages of technology.
@ yes but humans of the dark age of technology have more in common and think more in align of those in the USNC. They have similar technology, even evening levels apart
I don’t think you can say the UNSC if it’s just one fleet. That’s like saying the Imperium, but it’s just one battle fleet and a planetary invasion force.
I guess. The thing is, one imperial battle fleet equals more than the entire unsc anyway. They stand absolutely no chance in the 40k universe. Joining the TAU is literally their only option.
I feel like the space marines would more likely be like brutes and Master Chief took on a few by himself even hit by a gravity hammer and still didn’t phase him. With how much speed and maneuverability a spartan has over a space marine I think a spartan would win 9 times out of 10, Spartans use anything in their surroundings as a weapon and have an AI looking up weaknesses and ideas at the same time. The UNSC would still lose but only because they can’t mass produce Spartans like the space marines.
As of Halo 4 we learn that they can mass produce Spartans. The Spartan 4s are Spartans and are physically equal to Spartan 2s and 3s while in armor. So yeah the augmentation process came full circle. They started with the ORION Project aka Spartan 1. Which used adult soldiers of which currently they have at least 4 billion. Then Spartan 2 used special children. Spartan 3 used war orphans and now they are back to using adult soldiers/ Marine/ ODST Veterans. 4 billion Spartan 4s because the galaxy is hell and this is the natural progression of the UNSC going forward. So 4 billion Spartans over 800 worlds. Is a lot better than around a million Space Marines spread out over 1 million worlds. The UNSC if their smart and do as Dr. Halsey stated by making everyone in their military Spartans. As Spartans are their future. Doing this makes them powerful in terms of ability to defend themselves even with a lack of overall numbers. It's quality vs quantity. The UNSC doesn't have the numbers of personal of any other faction beyond the Tau. So must invest in the quality of their forces.
Pretty much. Rogue AI, FTL travel, Neurolinks, Multiverse bullshit. Halo basically is the dark age of technology lol. 'Nids are just what happen to The Flood after an extra 25,000 years.
It’s not even close tbh. The extent of DAoT technology is several orders of magnitude above halo. Black holes as casual ammo on ships. Time travel. Quantum hyperposition to quite literally desintegrate matter at several points in time. Almost all of the many methods of exterminatus are unmatched by most planet killing methods in halo, aside from the halo devices themselves. Neurolinks? Almost everyone of any importance whatsoever in 40k has bionic implants, many of which directly link their neural systems to other tech. Literally entering a parallell universe/dimension (the warp), Not only entering it, but also somehow continually linking it to your original dimension, making both blend into eachother whilst also staying separate (gellar field) (Idk about you, but literally finding a way to fundamentally break the laws of physics and open a gate to unreality is quite a step above having AI’s and stuff like halo has) This was also done with science, not psykers, as humanity didn’t get psykers aside from a very select few exceptions until the beginning of the age of strife, which was after the DAoT. Then casually introducing teleporters that send individual people through that seperate dimension and spitting them out on the other side, unharmed. The list goes on. People forget that DAoT tech is nearly indistinguishable from magic.
Yeahhh... Idk man. Your Spartan vs Space marine scene was complete fanservice... I get the emperor made the armor and everything but these are future Tech pistols too and you described a point blank shot to a vulnerable area.
Depending on the specific round the Spartans had in their M6 and what Mk the Astartes was wearing then its 100% plausible even shots there wouldn't penetrate. Anything stronger definitely would have went through though.
A spartan going up against a space marine with only an ma5 and m6d Is an unfair fight Not impossible but very slanted in the space marine's favor a gauss rifle or hydra would be needed
@@spartanx9293 The Spartans may have chosen to use a super-hardened armor piercing bullet (.30 caliber). In the halo novels, the rebels used these super armor-piercing bullets. It even dented the shell of a Fenrir bomb, which was able to contain the blast for a full second.
I understand what you're saying, but have a rebuttal. Spartans are Astartes are far too close to equals in combat for any clean-cut win/loss declaration, so it would follow that defeat would go to the first one to make even a fraction of a mistake. Here, it was the Spartan that slipped up first, and the Astartes immediately capitalized on it. In a battle of equals, even a minor mistake is death.
I would love to see the guy who did the Astartes animation do one of what he’s describing, a full out battle between them and Spartans, would be siiiiiick!
Wait a second... at 23:45 How would Dark eldar take over a ship with Spartans on it? A single Astarties, one normal woman, and a dog killed an entire raiding party in like 2 minutes. Spartans travel in Fireteams, there is no way a Drakari raid can capture a ship with a whole Spartan II or III Fireteam on board. The normal humans on board, RIP, but not the Spartans.
Unless The Lion or Guilliman's forces find the splinter fleet they'er basically fucked for harboring demons(AI). If the Primarchs find them well it would be very interesting to say the least.
The UNSC fights Covenant Scarabs which are comparable enough to minor titans. The typical way to defeat those is via heavy air support. A UNSC Longsword is not far removed from a Tau Tiger Shark, . They'd be nasty as hell if air assets are tied up and unavailable however. Astartes would be too much save for perhaps ideal conditions/combined arms.
@@RJALEXANDER777 you sure know that even small titans have VOIDSHIELDS right? 40k knows different types of "nergyshields" even the imperium is able to produce planet wide energyshields, basicly all mechanicus forgeworlds have one and for titans or capital ships they have voidshields one of the last true golden age tech 40k humans can still reproduce comparing a scarab even to an imperial knight is already delusional^^ "a musket from 16th is not far removed from a bmg sniper" these are merely 400 years expierence of warfare between, while you compare basicly 37.6k years difference of warfare just to show how absurd such comparrasions are
The Spartans might have a small chance for a day or 2. but the UNSC as a whole have no chance in hell, military power is not large enough to start with
the only issue being that while spartans have an upper hand against normal troops shield regeneration being huge, the numbers are crazy and they are out matched by space marines in everything but agility and personal shielding so if they arrive its just game over (although if you do the math per lore there is 1000 chapters limited to 1000 matines (most chapters) thata only 100,000 would they bother using them against the unsc outside of them arriving on a major planet
@@maddawg9882When you compare the average spartan vs the average space marine. I do think that the average Spartan can come out uptop. That's about it though. And it's also pretty depedent on the chapter. Like a minotaur in my opinion, would demolish a spartan. But the raven's and the wolves, I can see losing against one. The Space Marines will outnumber a spartan, There were only 33 Spartan IIs that passed the augmentations without any problems that we're aware of. And there were only 930 Spartan 3s. And even though the spartan 3s were just as capable as the 2s. They got wasted in suicide missions. Upset for GAMMA company. A space marine weapons on the average is gonna be stronger. Granted I do think that there are weapons that a spartan has access too that can demolish a space marine. That being the Spartan Laser, their SPNKRs, grenade launchers, The Stanchion, and SRS. But that's about it. A spartan's battle rifle nor are their MAs gonna do shit. Both space marines and spartans have been shown on being able to use vehicles as weapons, tearing through tank hatches; and alotta other crazy shit. But once we get into Space marine sergeants, and the more experieced of the bunch. It just doesn't become even. I do think that the spartan's advantages over a space marines is their versatility, their armor, (If we get into Mark VI, Gen 2, Mark VII, And Gen 3), their ai (if they have one). And technology. Spartan's being able to overshield, cloak, see almost everything with VISR, is just a great ability to have. But even then, they're neck to neck.
@justapersonz5441 i wasnt arguing the spartans have a chance against a space marine, i was saving 2 days was a low number against a non military planet, and your not wrong on what you said, 2 days isnt even plausible against space marines
Spartan IIs and Space Marines are far more comparable than Warhammer fans like to give them credit for, while Space Marines may have a slight strength and speed advantage, a spartan is infinitely smarter, and its for that reason that I firmly believe that no spartan would simply take a step back after stabbing an opponent thats comparable to them, I mean, theyve been fighting brutes and elites for years, who can tank far more than a stab through the chest, unless it was a spartan IV, a II and a III wouldve shot the space marine the moment that helmet came off, sword through the chest or not, a spartan taking a break before the threat is completely dealt with and dead on the ground is completely out of character i feel that segment with the spartan taking a breather when the marine was very clearly still alive was just a reason to kill the spartan so the Astartes fanboys wouldnt tear OP a new one for even implying a space marine would loose a battle
The most unrealistic thing is a spartan actually winning a melee engagement against an astartes. They are simply not trained in that department to the extent a century old veteran who has seen countless battles would be. An astartes neophyte would be a closer match up for a spartan.
@swordclaw7318 you realize spartan armor is only twice the weight of space marine armor? That with that extra weight they're still more agile? Making them stronger than space marines... Cuz if I can move faster in heavier gear.... Dunno I think you're biased.
@swordclaw7318 my brother in christ a spartan beat a hunter to death with his bare hands, a fucking giant the size of one of the larger primarchs that's also far FAR stronger than your average space marine A regular spartan would beat a regular space marines ass in Melee
@@Daveo3 Hunter is crap compared to the things space marines face, and FK even a team of spartans and master chief lost to a monkey atriox. And you said Spartans won against space marines in melee? Lol spacearine fights much stronger enemies than atriox. Space marines can tear apart Spartans with their bare hands in combat melee
The Tau is probably one of the safest races to fight for the UNSC. Can't really imagine just how bad it would be for a 9ft tall, power armored monster to come stomping through one of their ships. Caring little for small arms fire, and practically dispatching targets with a glance.
Definitely. They would probably be either the second most powerful or most powerful faction in the modern times of the Halo Universe (2568). And while not the largest in terms of size. They would be very powerful. I mean the Tau have all the advanced technologies of both the Covenant and the UNSC(besides slipspace) and more. Their guns are better than the Covenant's and UNSC guns
@@Pixel22-fs3tt It's hard to say. UNSC's vehicle-mounted Vulcans fire at 44 times the speed of sound. Tau's gauss gun isn't that fast. And the FTLs are not nearly as fast. Before the war, the UNSC was traveling two light-years a day , about the same as the IOM. After the war, the UNSC's speed reached 800 light-years per day , crossing the entire galaxy in 180 days, a speed that the IOM couldn't even imagine . Tau ships are traveling slower than the IOM in light years per day .
@@nobleman9393 If 90mm could do what it's supposed to do there would be no need to keep adding numbers , you could even argue that it's lightweight due to progress. Also the problem with Imperial FTL velocities in 40K is that the data is very inconsistent , judging trans-galactic velocities can vary from a few years to a year , not to mention the dangerous WARP dimensions . Slip space, on the other hand, is not as problematic , and in fact such a technology in the 40K universe would surely make Guillimane or the god Emperor give direct orders for friendly diplomacy.
@@orionakd a gaus canon which fires projektiles 13.7km/sek, but has a range of merely 8km...^^ tau railguns are "slower" and have even subsonic amounition, but the heavy railguns can be faster if wantet not to mention... actual railguns (the heavy mountet ones) shoot with mach7, and that over 150km im pretty sure they meant 4.4mach, which wouldf be still awesome and even if ftl would work without issue (because humanity and all other races, including necrons are to dumb for basic ftl each young star empire need as base tech) warp travel is unreliable, but not "really" faster or slower in the end, with luck you just need seconds to minutes to cross the whole galaxy, if unlucky your voyage will take 800 years
@@HypospaceYT if you are going to do one about the covenant in the future could you give them a large enough fleet to where they could stand a chance, like giving them high charity and the entire fleet around it
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 plus the UNSC still has to deal with orks, tyrannids, necrons & chaos corruption/ the fact that daemons can & will corrupt/ possess UNSC AI's. which is terrible because UNSC society is so heavily automated with AI's just like the federation of man was during the 15th - 25th millennium. the UNSC are ill prepared for Ork hordes, Chaos warbands, Necron legions or Tyranid swarms. they would get pulverized so bad from all directions that either the survivors flee to join the imperium, stay & get betrayed by their own AI's or get slaughtered by xeno's or chaos. simply put the UNSC is not equipped or ready to survive the short term, never mind the immense timescale Warhammer operates at.
Considering humanity has access to forerunner tech or whatever, whilst the current 40k is in a technical technological dark ages, it’d be pretty short lived
@@mervinreyes3008 ok, see who’s genius is better here, likely yours given you’re more in-depth with 40k because I was going to say 40k besides dark ages technology. Given the most advanced technology in halo is neural based and the truest extent of its ability isn’t told, which in modern science everything is being proven to be neurologically connected, I say halo smacks 40k since they don’t have anything for universal or galactic level destroyers that I know of besides that star map system that those Necros or whoever have that risks universal annihilation just by sweeping your hand through whatever part of it. To me, they are equals, not to mention 40k is way further in the future than halo, so by technical standard, they do win, but humans in halo have access to precursor technology, and 40k even mentions precursor reality, so if you ask me, it’s just a game of tag
forerunner tech is insanly powerful, the ark and halo array could kill all life in the 40k galaxy, from what i remember, the forerunners could harvest energy from a different universe for power, they are around the level of the war in heaven katan/necrons if not abit higher
@@Elasquantum they drilled into another universe for energy from what i remember, and they are strong enough to dominate all factions in the current 40k setting( keep in mind that this wasent special to the forerunners, it was more like a small side project)
Talking about the close fight between the spartan and imperial fist, while footage of Spartans being ragdolled by brutes plays in the background seems a bit counter productive to this idea of what that fight would look like😂.
No he wouldn't you amoeba. The dude has an iron will and a love for humanity so strong he will never stop even in direct violation of orders. He is already 10 steps ahead of the fallen primarchs and unlike robot guiliham he doesnt get ultra depression when he is faced with a hopeless situation.
this is interesting but I think you forgot how big Imperial Space is and how fast UNSC ships are. the imperial can try to chase but with UNSC AI and slipspace, they can outrun all of their attempts. the imperial is also too big, and due to a poor filing system, they lost entire worlds. the UNSC can just move away from segmental terra and be fine, they are systems where the imperial shows up every 100 years or so. this makes for a far less interesting story compared to the one you told but one more likely to be. lastly, if you want the story to feel more organic I would recommend using the infinity next time. the original purpose of the Infinity was to be part of a mobile fleet to save humanity from extinction. just say Halo 3 didn`t happen and the humanity in Halo got as many people as they could on ships but were attacked by the covenant before they were ready. they activated the infinity forerunner slip space before it was properly installed and something went wrong. they were now in the 40k galaxy with most of their ships holding civilian populations in a space-fearing fleet. almost forgot, call it heresy but depending on the chapter the Spartans will destroy the space marines. most space marines follow a warrior code and as such leave themselves exposed. and while they are stronger than Spartans, Spartans are better-trained combatants. Spartans without sword training have matched elite sword masters.
@@JiwakuMembanteng-z3b If you love 40k, we both know that`s a lie and a lazy one. Space marines don`t change much or barely change at all. They fight by their chapter rules and regulations and barely deviate from such tactics. you can have some oddball deviations like Malum Caedo but hundreds of years of experience means nothing. they barely grow and change and they operate in a century timeline. what would take you a decade of development to a character in another franchise would take a century in 40k. it took the space wolves nearly 10k years to stop being major A-holes and become fratboy A-holes. that`s 10k years of character development in 40k.
@@JayJayM57 Nah, recruiting from children to Scout Marines and becoming Space Marines does take longer than Spartans. And here we know who lied saying that Spartans will destroy Space Marines in melee combat, where Spartans only have an average reaction speed of 20ms And the reaction speed of space marines is faster than that, not to mention space marines face opponents that are much stronger and faster than spartans, such as eldar. And even one spartan pac was destroyed by atriox In melee, Spartan melee combat is very bad compared to space marines Since childhood and as Marine Scouts, they have often used swords, And spartan enemies are very slow compared to space marine enemies even master chief will die if var gathani or atriox kills him directly instead of Always throw it. And we haven't even talked about the wound tolerance where a spartan would fall to the ground with just a monkey's bare hands, which is only a minor injury to a space marine.
@@JiwakuMembanteng-z3b This will sound rude but the more you talk the more it sounds like you don`t know what you are talking about. I will divide this into 3 points to address your arguments; training, combat, and injury. - Training. Space Marines' requirement is generally between the ages of 12 to 15 as gene-seed treatment is done between 14 to 16. Dorn already showed that space marines can be mass-produced during the siege of Terra and Dante is also doing mass recruitment and deployment. Space marine can be deployed within one year during mass recruitment or multiple when there`s no rush. Spartans literally have the longer training regiment and one that is not specialized. They trained in all terrains and all environments. Space marines trained in the regime designed by their legions. Which is limited even for the best-trained legions. - Combat. Aatrox used strength, speed, stealth, and tight room to maximize his strength and minimize his opponent. he didn`t charge blindly while screaming. this was to show he was a brute in strength but a tactician in mind. you are trying to use that scene to make me believe the Spartans are weak in melee when that scene is made to show how tactical Aatrox is. To further highly this Jerome single-handedly kills over a dozen brutes. also, I bet you didn`t notice Aatrox bending to reinforce Titanium armor with little effort, showing he does not have "monkey hand" strength. He is strong enough to crush space marines with brute force if it wasn`t for the space marines' superior reaction time. lastly injuries, in the fall of Reach one spartan was active for hours with; broken ribs, punctured lungs, burned internal organs, exposed spine, and rapture leg muscle. Space marines can take more punishment but spartan are not as weak as you are making them out to be.
If the Tau can, the UNSC certainly can as well. Their tech level and physical/psychic prowess are on par population wise, and the UNSC has Spartans to boost that. The focus Halo games put on man-sized fights is due to it being an FPS, but the UNSC could easily adapt to stuff like Titans etc. As to the numbers game, again look at the Tau. You news not be the Empire to survive or thrive in the 40k universe, just stay the fuck away from Chaos and give the Empire enough room to fuck itself up and you'll be fine (as much as one can be in 40k anyways)
the tau are imune to chaos, had 4+k years time to beef up thier tech as a race written to growth to fast for thier own good, have atleast dozen of times more numbers and ultimatly living in a very remote corner of the 40k universe a 2.3k humanity without any god emporers and basicly one real planet at any time in the story will surely do well^^
@@nobleman9393 they don't send people to their deaths because it is convenient. They sell lives dearly when there is nothing else and they need time. Pretty different
I wish you described what the sound of the voices sounded like coming through the radio to the unsc all static and robotic voice like and made a note for how advanced the emperors tech is its pretty rudimentary compared to the unsc
Not really? They owned Imperial navy personnel, and with inferior weaponry on hand proved capable of taking an Astartes down in melee of all things. Failing only because they weren't anticipating the sheer superhuman toughness of one. That's more credit than a lot of people would give a Spartan facing the Imperium.
@@RJALEXANDER777bruh, even the weakest spartan would tear an astartes apart. Even unarmored they could pick an astartes up and throw them, while being multiple times faster.
Late reply but I think he over sold the Spartans, Space marines have faster reaction times and are much stronger. There’s also way more of them than Spartans so the Spartans are outclassed in quality and quantity
@@westonbroomfield439 spartans are alot stronger and faster/agile. Not to mention if a spartan gets ahold of a bolter its game over for any space marines due to the crazy reaction time of a spartan
This video was good ... VERY GOOD ... Are you planning on making a Could the COVENANT survive 40K? (Other options you could do: Arbiter's Swords of Sangheilos / Atriox's Banished / the Forerunners / the FLOOD )
I'm definitely up for making videos like that 100%! I've already got a few lined up including one that you've just mentioned and several other ideas from other universes. But seeing as I've had multiple ask me for a covenant video it looks like that one might be bumped up the list!
Can you do warframe there seriously not a single good video of one.... Warframe got so many similarly of warhammer like they got there own version of the warp which is the void the tenno are immune by it. If they're in the warp, they are mostly immune by the corruption since they already corrupted by the void. So fair there is one God but still a mystery, it said this God is fair stronger then the 4 chaos gods mostly due. It own the void by itself, still don't know if it sentience. Eventually we will learn what it is or wants. Anyways enemies of warframe is crazy like the grineer, there armor can be compared with Spartans armor but without a power armor, they are like 1/4 strength protection without shield. It stupid heavy about 1000 pounds. All that weight is lift up by there strength alone that why I said no power armor. They are originally created as slave labor clones which is why they are so strong carrying or lifting things. Anyways the biggest threat would be the tenno with there warframe suit, they are too strong both physically and 5th Dimension powers. The enemies name the sentient is basically stronger versions of the necrons Eh I forgot to mention the warframe is basically the Golden Era of their time but majority of the technology is gone. Anyways please look into it, warframe is very deep in lore like warhammer 40k I forgot to mention they do have there own version of dreadnought in warframe for a player to control called the nekomech. They got crew ship player can control name railjack etc there so much to do in this game
After watching this definitely it be very hard to try be independent traveling the world of warhammer 40k too many enemies want you dead. Tenno from warframe would be the only faction that can truly independent by themselves. I can imagine them flying into imperial ships without them noticing with there void stealth technology. Many times tenno able to park there ship next to enemies capital ship like they are blind to see. It really that stealthy. Most importantly tenno can easily kill a space marine, they are more beyond super soldiers. They're more like demi gods of super soldiers. I'm more interested how does the world of 40k interact the tenno. They can't be killed in battle, they can destroy there warframe body many times they want. But they will always stand up, the factions of 40k point of view would see them as a mystery alien that suddenly shows up easily take over planets by themselves to protect. I be interested to see a single tenno shows up middle of ork roar, while the imperial trying to defend but losing. Who knows if tenno drop in and help them out.
A 26 minute video that could be summed up as "No." At the height of its power the UNSC is less numerous than the Tau Empire and if any existing faction in the 40k universe was able to put its full force into the Tau empire then they would be destroyed. The UNSC would have less of a chance than that. It may take time but every enemy in the 40k universe is FAR larger than the covenant. Honestly if they thought the naval battles vs the covenant were bad imagine going up against the Imperial Navy. That would be a nightmare.
@@preddes6522 to some degrees yes but that not my point here My point is the only reason Unsc were capable of reversed engineering fouruners is because they allow them
Wrong, it’s like a combat master vs a toddler that’s been blown up to be as large as an adult. Canonically Spartans would likely kill an astartes in a single punch.
That's because a lot of the time they don't get the chance, getting gunned down either by the enemy or their pissed off local Commissar. They are, however, still regular humans and very much know fear. hell, I'd run too if I saw some guy in weird power armor doing shit I'd only ever heard of Space Marines doing.
I've had quite a few comments asking me to make a video on the Covenant and if they can survive... Ask and you shall receive.
But if you also have any other ideas that you'd like me to cover with a short story on feel free to give me suggestions!
i would love to see this but with more unc forces involved might be interesting if a few worlds came along too with there feets and maybe how the imprium would react if they manged to get a unsc ship intact
It depends on the era
Great crusade imperuim sweeps the covenant no difficulty post great crusade it’s a stalemate unless guilliman or a primarchs is around
Can you do the same thing but for the a covenant fleet like high charity’s fleet or fleets or teleport the entire unsc into warhammer 40k like how pancreasnowork does his halohammer stuff but in a more story oriented sort of way 👌
I think it would be cool to see some alternate world where unsc joined the banished all at peak strength and that version of the banished entered 40k
the covenant would become a fairly large faction, and may be one of the few that doesn't end up fighting a war on all fronts because their hate is reserved specifically for humanity, not to mention theyd be hard to pin down because they dont have a homeworld, theyre all on high charity
the flood, if going unnoticed for long enough to hit gravemind stage, would absolutely devour 40k, this is a parasite similar to tyranids, only instead of developing counters to enemy weapons, they just outright steal them, and, also, when a keymind does form, reality itself is infected by the flood
the forerunners would absolutely dominate 40k and its not even close, its an empire 3 times the size of the imperium and out techs the imperium going as far back as even the dark age, where they were at their technological peak, if the imperium can handle the entire galaxy bearing down on it and WIN alot of those battles, the foreunners, who simply have better everything, can solo
UNSC: We have Warp-free FTL
Cawl and Guilliman in unison, with the Emperor's psychic voice in the background: GIVE THEM ALL THE FUCKING FORGE WORLDS.
Guilliman: GET IT DONE. I DO NOT CARE HOW IN THE FATHER BOUND FUCK IT HAPPENS, JUST MAKE SURE ITS DONE.
Wouldn't be surprised if slipspace WAS the warp, just not all murderebanged by chaos gods
@@jiggler1-1 slipspace is just a void, nothing there.
@@robotwithnoname7677 it's not just a void. When they commit to ftl they pierce the fabric of the universe. And like how as an earthworm digs through the earth. The path behind them closes off. Essentially temporary pockets that slingshot you to where you need to go.
@@jiggler1-1 It works on the same principle. Go into a different space where distances are way shorter.
Honestly, im just imagining the UNSC engineers arguing incessantly with the mechanicums adepts about how to turn on a microwave 😂
Or both of them "debating" on how to operate a VCR or a rotary phone.
UNSC engineer: YOU PRESS THE DANG NUMBERS, THEN YOU PRESS THE START BUTTON! AND THATS HOW YOU DO IT!
Mechanicus: NUH UH. YOU COVER IT IN HOLY OILS AND YOU DO 10 DIFFERENT 50 HOUR RITUALS THEN CHANT FOR 10 HOURS STRAIGHT TO DIVE INTO ITS SECRETS!
Generally though the microwave would turn them on more.
@@Z5-XB imagine that they were both right
Imagine a spartain finds the bodies of like 8 ODSTs with a dead ork and he looks at the gun and its a fully solid block of wood with an arrop pointing towards the barrel saying “shooty bit”
With how active the Emperor has become, I feel the UNSC's arrival to earth likely would have gone differently. The Emperor with his foresight likely would've known of their coming, or have been made instantly aware of it upon their arrival. While it's difficult to know what the response would be, I'd think he'd want to know more above all else.
Either the Imperium's attack would be called off or it wouldn't have happened. Some sort of tense agreement would be reached to have a representative sent down or up. Due to the delicate nature of the situation, only a Custodes guided by the Emperor could likely be trusted even then I could see him doing that weird custodes possession thing he can do in order to ensure an actual discussion can be had.
The Emperor would quickly learn the truth one way or another; while human they are from another universe or timeline- What matters most is on all accounts they are from somewhere Chaos does not exist. Upon that realization, they immediately become invaluable just by merit of existing.
From that point on, there are many ways it could go, but I think the Emperor's skills (even eroded from sitting on the throne) would largely defuse any immediate conflict unless he could see that the optimal path forward was for the Astartes/Custodes to seize the ship and all it's crew.
One way or another there'd be an exchange of information, the Emperor would see their value and mutual cause and either seek to use their knowledge to fix his own universe or some method of bringing humanity or a good chunk of it into the Halo Universe (All he wants is for Humans to be free of Chaos and on top).
It's important to remember that if the AI are able to even consider they're in a different universe, the Emperor would probably be able to just tell they're from a different one.
That's a great point, but it then brings up the question of if the UNSC is even willing to talk to the Imperium for long enough to form any kind of truce.
The Emperor/Guilliman would be a great start but seeing as how rotten the Imperium is with its disregard for human life in servitors, manufactorums and other areas alongside the sheer religious zealotry it would be extremely horrifying to even consider talking to them in any capacity let alone ally with them.
There may be a truce should the Emperor/Guilliman force it but it would be super uneasy for both sides.
A super cool idea either way!
the moment the empereor sense a ai in the ship, hes sending the entire ship to thendark cells
@COULY_GALLO01-yo6sg the fact that the Dark Angels can used forbidden dark age weaponry upto an including enslaved men of iron suggests otherwise.
Uh, no. They use AI. They are a threat.
@@horrorfan117not only that but peter turbo also created heretical n heratek machines hell his whole honor gaurd is ai robots
NOW THAT IS HOW YOU HANDLE SPARTAN V SPACE MARINE, THAT WAS AWESEOMMMMEEEE
Shitans get absolutely wrecked
There’s a major flaw I. The initial spartan vs astartes fight. Based on a quick google search, a spartan is fully capable of lifting an astartes, without their armor assisting. Master Chief squared 100 tons and punched a Banshee away, which ways 2.5 tons.
More than that though, based on canonical events, Spartans were known to have a punch near, or in some cases in excess of 600,000 newtons. That’s almost double the force of a 120mm round out of an m1 Abram’s. On top of that, the Spartans armor without shielding can withstand more than 200,000 psi, and Spartans have survived direct hits from tanks which would have a force of more than 15 millions newtons.
Then you have to factor in their speed, without armor Spartans can run 30+mph and armored can run over 100mph. Not to mention how fast their reaction times are. Which are appx 10x faster than a baseline human in non combat situations, and nearing 50x faster in combat.
For the most part, a single spartan would tear through astartes the same way an astartes would tear through unsc marines.
Fr fr
The UNSC couldn't even survive in the Halo Universe without a godsend from a long dead alien race
That is very true
the fought a superior race for over 2 decades. the imperial would have been dead against those odds.
@@JayJayM57
They've been doing exactly that for _thousands_ of years against multiple races across the galaxy, just having to fight one would be a vacation!
The UNSC is fighting *_One._* Two, if you want to count the flood. Imperium fights SEVEN on a daily basis for thousands of years, among them are literal daemons from Space Hell that can fuck reality (literally and figuratively), and they've been holding on against all odds for THOUSANDS of years quite well. UNSC is barely surviving against ONE.
Oh, so scary, having to fight One enemy that isn't fucking with reality, fielding billions of hordes on the first day, or sending out snipers hiding in a pocket dimension that can pop your best tank with their basic sniper rifle. The Imperium sure cannot hold a candle against one faction.
The Imperium is literally doing that every second that they exist, across the thousands of worlds being attacked or drivers at any given time...
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled that`s not the issue here. maplemayhem1988 is talking like the UNSC survived via a miracle when the covenant took greater losses the closer they got to earth. in the last 5 years alone the covenant lost 3 fleets and a forge world. also, the UNCS was building a fleet of ARK ships to leave. The Infinity and her 2 sister ships were designed to be arks to turn humanity into a fleet-based race where they could go away and those ships could mine resources, build ships, support a growing population, create Spartans, etc. They had shields, the best FTL around, could take capital ships, and constantly self-upgrade and repair. and they had enough fuel to go on for centuries without resupply. so his assumption of the UNSC is incredibly wrong and laughable if you know anything about 40k lore. the imperium was in constant decline for 10k years surviving only by the will of the imperium guard. the UNSC was constantly evolving and upgrading.
Dude.. 40k can't even survive in 40k.
Gosh i love 40k
Omg lmao!
UNSC: is sad and hopeless while under the tau.
Lion El'Jonson and the Risen in their kinda nobel bright proterorit: NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR ME!
@@martintheaquilanshield3917 UEG which is the Government maybe.
The UNSC/ONI No they wouldn't be sad and helpless. They would be recruiting the Imperials who currently live under the Tau. Stealing every scrap of technology and intelligence they can about the Tau empire and especially their militaries tactics. And plotting to overthrow the Xenos.
This speech by the UEG president might seem kind at first glance but there is a line in it that shows where humanity intends to be in any alliance.
"Humanity can now breathe again. The Covenant has finally been driven back. The cost in lives-our troops and our citizens-has been enormous. But freedom never comes cheaply, and now, we rebuild. I promise this to every man, woman and child on Earth and in its colonies. While we will continue to strive for a peaceful coexistence with other species, humanity will never again allow itself to be the victim of aggression. This is the moment we start to reclaim our rightful place in the universe."
- President Ruth Charet delivers an address during her inauguration.
That last line . " This is the moment we start to reclaim our rightful place in the universe."
And what is humanity's rightful place in the universe?
Any Imperial citizens of the Imperium want to answer ?
The UNSC and ONI's answer is to be the dominant power in the universe.
Seemed more of a unsc fleet on 40k.
Would be interesting to see how unsc gaining a pathway to the 40k universe would play out, especially at different points in time for the unsc.
Just before contact at harvest, or before the fall of reach, shortly after the end of halo 3.
Each time period brings different tech and logistic situations for the unsc.
I want to see how the Great Crusade era Imperium would react to the UNSC.
@@terminallove3531bring them into compliance. Really depends on the legion.
@@jpmanning2966
Which Legion would be the kindest with compliance?
Probably the Ultramarines. They would be super hyped about their industrial base and tech. Maybe the iron hands
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547
The IH are aholes, according to the Eye of Medusa and Voice of Mars.
I have a feeling they could get along with the imperium, they are far better at reading the room than anyone in 40k ever will be
not with ai tech
@@tkonlyme consider Votann existing
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 do thry admit they're AI?
@@Rage_Templar no, that’s the reading the room part
@@averageeughenjoyer6429 And they kill anyone who learns about their AIs.
Not for long.......humanity probably need to be all Spartans.
They need to up their tech too. The unsc ships is trash.
At least they don't stagnate on tech and they've demonstrated to be able to reverse engineer some stuff. They could probably be a 2nd human faction with some kind of alliance with the tau empire.
@@Wilky971 indeed, they never stop progressing, I suppose the biggest hurdle is surviving long enough to not die completely.
They need more numbers is the problem not enough. If number is not a problem then who knows they might survive
@@Wilky971well I mean to have an alliance with the tau is to be brain washed. The tau are not the good guys
Great story! I saw PancreasNoWork's video on the UNSC in 40k a few months back. This story matches up closely with one of his scenerios where the UNSC are bombarded by threats before they can get a foothold on any planets.
I gotta agree with Pancreas that if the UNSC were to fortify themselves in at least a couple systems and get some good industry going under the radar, then they'd be a formidable force in the 40k galaxy. It all really depends on the circumstances they enter the setting under.
Honestly, the UNSC are probably the ONE faction that would be an absolute NIGHTMARE to deal with if they get the time to turtle up and remain hidden, they may have been getting their asses handed to them by the Covenant but for every battle that delayed the Covenant that was valuable time for the UNSC to do a great many things to try and scratch out the odds from being so stacked against them. Time wasn't on the UNSC's side in Halo, if it was it would have been a fair fight more often than not.
Which reminds me of the best comment on that video. "The UNSC could pop up inside the Imperium and no one would notice for 300 hundred years."
This is great. Imagine the Tau and the UNSC working together. Spartans in battle suits and Tau ships with slipspace tech would be amazing 🤌🏽
Spartans in Tau armour would be super interesting to see! I love the thought of them pulling similar stunts to the alpha legion of making worlds turn to the Tau empire under the guise of them being Astartes. How effective it would be though is a different question.
U think unsc would allow u filthy xenos 😂😂😂 there human meaning if they don't join imperial guards there getting there head torn of for tge emporor
Say that again, Heretic....
Johnson wearing Ta'u armor would be something I would kill to see
@@Neoth40kYES
Only if they strike a truce with one of the larger faction. The zelots in the imperium would instantly kill them the eldar if in a good mood might spare them the tau would accept and the chaos would never get on their best bet is with the tau and fly under the radar till they can get enough manpower and resources to not get smited by the imperium
bold of you to assume the imperia can reach them.
Best bet would be the Eldar or tau
@@spartanx9293 honestly best bet would probably be Farsights tau over the tau as a whole, but most definitely tau. Best bet with humans might be running into a group like the ultramarines or Salamanders first. The space marines over the imperium might actually talk before firing. Though the imperium in general tends to not.
@VLK_Static The issue is the unsc operates under a democratic system Cyrene was destroyed by the imperium for doing this
@@spartanx9293And AI, and imagine when UNSC finds out about servitors. Imperium has my favorite factions, but I would prefer to live under the tau or just be born as eldar, or even a necron
Something that needs to be said about the scale of the war in the Warhammer 40k universe is that during the Great Crusade in the 30th millennium the Primarchs found multiple human planets with a level of technological development similar to the UNSC in the Halo franchise, like... many
Hmmm?😮
If the Imperium wasnt so trigger happy they could have opened a dialogue with the splinter fleet of the UNSC. There has to be someone smart enough, maybe a tech-priest or a well-learned captain, to realize that the UNSC were human. This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI and that they are more confused than the imperials are. UNSC would eventually explain that they thought that they were orbiting Earth, rather than "Holy Terra", they have non-warp ftl drives that are way more efficient than warp drives (cue Mechanicus oiling their collective robes), and they also have their own breed of bio-enhanced super soldiers which are more close to Astartes than the Imperium realizes (maybe even use the UNSCs data to make Spartans for the Millitarum, though thats doubtful cause honestly I love Spartans, but the Astartes are basically Spartans but better).
The Imperium would eventually welcome the UNSC fleet and share technology with them as well as explaining on their end what they're all about (though I doubt the UNSC personnel would be down with the whole theocracy thing). Gulliman (assuming this takes place when he is now Lord Commander) would be facinated with the UNSC and basically grant them immunity; gicing them intel, arms, training, a contingent of Primaris to assist the Spartans, and maybe even have the Mechanicus retrofit their fleet to some degree with newer and shiner toys (guns, like really big fucking guns). At some point, the splinter fleet would find themselves at odds with the home fleet they separated from. Now THAT is a battle I would love to speculate about! Two sides that came from the same place, but sheltered in different forms and bolstered by different galactic powers.
Thats a really cool idea! But i am sorry if what i will say next sounds like party pooping.
The Imperium Does not reason, AI is a sin and the UNSC will be made into Servitors if they dont watch their own back 24/7. Sadly, Roboute can't be up to date on everything in the Imperium, so i doubt he would even realize what happened.
This would be such a good storyline to eventually see the two different unsc factions grow apart from each other and become different entities all together until eventually they meet each other again a couple hundred years later and immediately start fighting as both are now kinda just sub factions of the imperium and tau respectively
Probably cheaper to engineer than Astartes by comparison.
The Spartan's strength is its light weight for its weight class.
This results in good acceleration.
However, I won't deny the durability of the Astarte . The Astarte is very durable.
(The Spartan is currently in service for less than 50 years , and is expected to last a century, with no indication of whether it will last much longer .)
On the other hand
Spartans can even have offspring , which makes them more versatile.
Men and women can become Spartans, and the success rate of Spartans in the 3rd generation is extremely high.
Imagine a planet of billions of people, all made up of Spartans III, with a few of them becoming Spartans II.
"This would allow the splinter fleet to explain why they have AI "
Unfortunately for the UNSC to the Imperium of Man and the Mechanicus there is no reason they could give that would save them from immediate obliteration and that planet they contacted would probably under a very real threat of exterminatus as a way to ensure no "abominable intelligence" has a chance of hiding on it. As the old Imperial saying goes: "Innocence proves nothing."
The UNSC wouldn't be the 1000th non-imperial Humans the IOM has encountered and they wouldn't be the 1000th they exterminated by the 41st millennium.
Next do one where an Astartes ship pops up in the Halo Universe
UNSC shows up>"are you peaceful?" the astartes>"do you believe in the god Emperor?" UNSC>"who's that?" Astartes>"anyway we decided they dident deserve to live" and proceeded to send one guy on each planet to "cleanse" the heretics. obv they would then do that for every other race XD at least that's how i see it going. the UNSC tends to try and be "the good guys" and negociate, the imperium dosent care
@@Drew-ck4ghbut they can't as emperor is awake and handling the situation so no
@@Drew-ck4gh Bruh astartes aren't unkillable. UNSC anti-tank guns could kill an astartes, not to mention spartans.
@@Frightful_Fetuccine i mean if you can lock them on probably, or if you can even see them before they shoot you/stab you, or if you can deal with their psykers, as for the spartans id guess a spartan is basically at a "good space marine" level, but even then aside from an anti tank gun they aint going through any armor while each shot of the astartes would be mostly guaranteed death... okay maybe would need two, one for the shield, one for the guy.
@@Frightful_Fetuccine He was overexaggerating obviously, but a better than average Space Marine let loose in the Halo universe could create Master Chief level of destruction.
Humanity barely survived the covenant, I doubt they’d survive the Orks
At some point 40k won’t survive the Orks, they’re an existential threat that can’t be eradicated.
The orks specifucally are a bad matchup cause the humans would bloody them. The UNSC biggest advantage is that they arent retarded and wont send spartains or marines and the like to deal with orks. They would glass the bitch and move on. Or put up a shield
Horus would have slaughtered the entire Ork, Eldar, Tyranid and Necron species HAD HE NOT GIVEN UP ON HIS POWERS!!!
@@sercravenmohead3631 well at some point the universe would be left only with 2 things.
orcs, tyrandids
They struggled with the flood, imagine the tyranids.
The chaos gods seeing this ship with warp free FTL: It's been fun everyone, time to go back to where you came from
The UNSCs plot armor is about as thick as the imperium
Yeah, With how brutal Orks, Tyranid and Chaos is, There are still a thing called Humanity is just a miracle.
Kind off, as a side character perhaps, but in all honesty no not really, again if it’s the entire UNSC, then they’d be in a similar situation as the tau but much weaker, since they don’t all use gundams, but what the UNSC lacks in overlapping or overwhelming power, they make up for it in their flexibility and adaptability, and again considering that most planets in the UNSC have an orbital defense system as well as a stable FTL system along with AI, does make them a dangerous force to be reckoned with, but again, if we’re going with pre covenant war UNSC, the fact that the UNSC’s ships lacks any form of shields or shielding and relies solely on their point defenses and sheer weight of armor, isn’t going to be all that effective when you consider that an imperial lance turret is the equivalent of a covenant glassing laser, where it’s been clearly shown that a single shot from a covenant glassing beam is enough to cut a UNSC autumn class heavy cruiser in half and a macro cannon would basically be akin to the shots fired by four MAC cannons fired from an ODP, again in a straight up fight, the UNSC isn’t going to win, again considering that the standard ma5c fires the equivalent of a modern 7.62 AP round which yes is okay at killing something more human sized, is completely and utterly pointless or useless when you’re dealing with say a hoard of orks or a swarm of Tyranids in which even killing something like an elite usually requires the user to dump half a magazine into them before they’re killed and the best comparison in the halo universe would be akin to an army of brutes mixed with the durability of a hunter, again even lasbolts which would be equivalent to the DMR from halo reach requires something akin to half a power pack just to drop a single ork, and again that’s not including things like say for example armor which an ork typically wears, there’s a reason why in 40K there are things like castles or fortresses or giant defensive structure is because, to simply put it overwhelming firepower is utterly and completely useless and irrelevant if the enemy has already closed into melee range in which outside of a tau or even an eldar, everything else is far larger and stronger than your average space marines to the point where even space marines tend to have trouble when dealing with orks due to how resilient they are to damage as well as to how physically strong they are, whilst again the UNSC has access to better and cleaner tech than that of the imperium, again even something as silly s Their main battle tanks would be easily destroyed due to the fact that whilst a high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord, that’s about it, unless you’re talking about a grizzly then perhaps it could take on a tyrant guard but even then, what about the other millions of hormagaunts and other smaller Tyranid lifeforms charging the tank, since outside of the likelihood that the scorpion is given a coaxial chain gun in its turret, the only other option are the right guys with rifles sitting on the side skirts or the poor sod in the heavy machine turret getting ripped to shreds or blown up with the vehicle, again whilst the halo warthog is cool, it’s exposed compartments and lack of any actual protection is more likely to result in the occupants being eaten alive by the living ammunition of the tyranids, shot or blown to pieces by the orks or imperium, again imagine if reach was forced to undergo say an ork invasion kinda like the third war for Armageddon or an invasion by the tyranids, not to mention the corrupting influences of chaos or the taint spread by genestealer who can pass as a human unless they’re biologically scanned and checked, then entire genestealer cults would start popping up everywhere but even then there would still be the massive or utter lack of resources and available ammunition,
Depends on if it's pre or post war tech level post war they do have their own mechs and limited energy weapons like the brightlance
@@spartanx9293 agreed
@@spartanx9293 or the infinity
If UNSC's assets included the entire Onyx , the situation would be very different.
Forerunner sees the humans of the UNSC universe as Reclaimer.
Forerunner has inserted genesong into the genes of humans in Halo tens of thousands of years ago.
so that humans can have the highest level of access to Forerunner's legacy .
(Imagine that , just like the IOM humans have the ability and full access to control Necrons creations)
"high velocity 90mm cannon might be enough to injure a swarmlord"
Theres no way you just implied a swarmlord is surviving a fucking tank shell to the jaw log off buddy wtf is that im cryin
Can you make a series about this but with the whole universe because this would be like that Star wars vs 40k one
great video, loved how you did justice for both the spartan and space marine. only critique is even if the Spartan's body was paralyzed the armor would still move thanks to the neural bridge that links directly between the spartan's brain and armor and though not used often/at all in the lore a spartan can remove the safety limiters on their micro-fusion reactor to vaporize anything and everything in a roughly 20 meter radius with just a thought. but still a great fight
But armor is not indestructible
Of course spartan would move
There are places in the milkyway without warp routes where the UNSC could set up shop. Over a century or three at most they could reverse engineer imperial weapons if they stay quiet and unnoticed.... which is pretty easy to do on a galaxtic scale. Not to mention the UNSV knows how to reproduce and fix its own technology.
Yeach sure reverse engineering imperium tech what a joke
@@whiteeye3453 Ya know the Energy Shields the UNSC has for Spartans? That came about from a _Jackal shield gauntlet._ The UNSC _reverse engineered full body energy shielding_ from a single _point defense gauntlet_ it is entirely within the realm of possibility for the UNSC to reverse engineer Imperial tech and even improve upon it.
If the UNSC _can_ turtle and stay unnoticed they WILL have some of the best tech possible and they most likely will Cole Protocol like usual in the event of any information about their territory is at risk of being captured, that entails the complete destruction of all navigational data and the ship's onboard AI if the evacuation of the AI is impossible with the AI itself most likely ensuring the success of the Cole Protocol.
@@kabob0077 and you think Imperium of man couldn't do same shit?
@@kabob0077 do you think Imperium will let ships with a. I get away?
Unlikely
@@whiteeye3453 One, the Imperium of Man is _so backwards they wouldn't even try to reverse engineer anything_ and two, Slipspace travel is both faster and safer than Warp Travel but that's besides the point.
Now, it seems you don't know what Cole Protocol entails.
Here is the basic intructions of the first draft of the Cole Protocol
1. All UNSC and civilian ships which come in contact with alien assets must have NAV computer/AI erased-destroyed if necessary-to prevent capture of core world locations.
2. ALL Human vessels fleeing from alien forces must do so on a randomly generated vector away from UNSC core world locations.
.3 ONI Section II to immediately begin Slipstream space attenuated broadcast of pre-recorded human carrier signals from antiquity to prevent triangulation of Earth.
Cole Protocol Article 1:
The Cole Protocol
To safeguard and protect the Inner Colonies and Earth, all UNSC vessels or stations must not be captured with intact navigation databases that may lead Covenant forces to human civilian population centers.
If any Covenant forces are detected:
1. Activate selective purge of databases on all ship-based and planetary data networks.
2. Initiate triple-screen check to ensure all data has been erased and all backups neutralized.
3. Execute viral data scavengers
4. If retreating from Covenant forces, all ships must enter Slipstream space with randomized vectors NOT directed toward Earth, the Inner Colonies, or any other human population center.
5. In case of imminent capture by Covenant forces and boarders, all UNSC ships MUST self-destruct.
Violation of this directive will be considered an act of TREASON and pursuant to UNSC Military law articles JAG 845-P and JAG 7556-L, such violations are punishable by life imprisonment or execution.
Even if the UNSC ships can't get away there will be nothing left of those ships for the Imperium to use,
Article 2:
Destruction or capture of a shipboard AI is absolutely unacceptable.
Now you may think "You've contradicted yourself" but hold your horses because Article 2 has the stipulation "if extraction is not possible, the AI must be purged" which clearly states even the AI will have to go if it's bad enough.
THAT is what I mean by "Cole Protocol" like usual, the UNSC takes that VERY seriously, as in the only reason that, in 27 years of conflict with the Covenant, the Covenant didn't discover Human presence on Earth or other worlds through anything on a captured ship. The Covenant found Earth because they were trying to get to the Lesser Ark, the Covenant happened to have a relic hunting fleet stumble upon Reach, but they never once found out about either Reach or Earth because of data from a Human ship.
T'au Spartans sounds sick, and would be a really neat conversion. I know what to do with a few Spartans from the Halo: Flashpoint game coming out later this year o7
I think ppl forget that there are a lot of normal human soldiers in 40k Gaunt's Ghosts come to mind
yeah the guard would've lit up the hallway as soon as the spartans were in view, regardeless of if they'd hit the front rank
The difference is they have 40k weaponry which is actually powerful unlike the trash in halo
I honestly cringe whenever ppl try to compare spartans to space marines as they are from both different universes, timelines, and both have different roles in warfare.
But you did an amazing job showing how while spartans can be deadly, astartes can also be deadlier. You perfectly set them up as simply both strong units but 1 can survive longer.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you mate! I tried my best to really show that these two are so much closer in their strengths than people give them credit for, I may be somewhat biased towards the Astartes but I know that a Spartan can still hold their ground and even kill them (depending on the type and chapter) It just came down to one factor really. Durability, in which the Astartes are far more suited than the Spartans.
@@HypospaceYTagreed. I've mentioned this in other threads, a Spartan II vs a recent astartes graduate has about a 2 in 5 chance of victory. A III would have probably a 1 in 5 and a IV maybe a 1 in 10. Depending on the individual Spartan of course. The two super soldiers are in reasonable shouting range of one another ability wise. Of course the gap in capabilities grows with the experience of the Astartes seeing they can have literal centuries of combat capabilities and experience but 1v1 against a new Space Marine and a Spartan does have a shot.
@@joshuahogan3475 depends on which S3 you pick. some of them are deadlier than a S2 due to the unique augments some squads get.
@@TrenchCoatDingo the ones with the best augmentation are the only ones to really consider. All the other S IIIs were nothing more than canon fodder sent on suicide missions. I mean they could probably do a number on a few Imperial World's infrastructure but due to lack of quality equipment and top level augments they wouldn't lose much of a threat to a Space Marine.
@@joshuahogan3475 and then you just have the difference in weapons and armor. true that Spartan's armor has shields, but most of weapons they would have as standard issue wouldn't do jack to Space Marine armor unless they were VERY lucky in hitting a weak spot. where as a Bolter is just death every round, worse than Brute shot.
The Angels of Death against the Deamons of the UNSC… this battle will e glorious.
I mean spacemarines still take the cake for many reasons
Don't need to waste your time
The Librarians and Knights would get the job done
Just make sure you didn't late or some crazy Inquisitor will bombardier the planet
Tbh even Masterchief would struggle to take down a single Tactical Marine. Any marine above the rank and file would completely obliterate him.
@@Therestrial205Statistically there is One maybe two librarians per chapter
@enigmachinasclass8153 Not really Shoot a space marine with a gauss rifle ans their dead My go to citation has always been fire team omega
Wow this was really good, I'm glad that you are continuing the crossovers. I was looking forward to seeing the entire UNSC in 40K maybe just before the war to help with inconsistencies but I understand that would probably be a lot longer story and I feel like you provided an accurate comparison when it comes to strength between the factions and that ending was the most likely besides the UNSC fleet getting completely destroyed. 2 things I will say though is that I'm pretty sure the UNSC only blows up their ship reactors and does not do a operation upper cut every time they initiate the Cole protocols but I guess that captain wanted to be extra sure lmao. Also with the fight between the spartan and the astartes I think it would of been cool if the spartan used the fail safe detonation system and took the astartes out with it. In regards to suggestions the obvious big hitters besides the covenant is ancient humanity/ancestors, the forerunners and the flood and/or the precursors since spoiler: Epitaph confirmed they are the same thing just at different levels of complexity. However if you want to do smaller inclusions like with this then perhaps you could do the banished or the didacts approach while was on its way to Earth. You could even do the UNSC Infinity when it made that random slipspace jump but it probably wouldn't be much different from this despite being way way way stronger its just not enough to start a interdependent faction, unless it becomes the unsc version of a craftworld which I guess was its intended purpose in lore. Anyways, great video I hope you continue this series.
I would think it'd be more considered a lost era human coming back home. 🤔 ehile they wouldn't hesitate to destroy them but they would more likely open up negotiations
Last time a ancient human vessel from the dark age of technology came, the imperium slaughtered the crew and the IA killed lots of astartes before leaving the galaxy while flipping off the imperium
A Tau and UNSC alliance is a frightening idea
The Covvies showing up would also be an interesting foil to the Tau and an annoyance to the Imperium, as a somewhat larger, but not that large, xenos empire rallying against humanity. They'd get plenty of recruits into the fold as well, but run into enough trouble to keep them very busy.
@@crowe6961 u always forget The warp they can but will they survive for 10 years I don't think so
Why? There’s already billions of humans with the tau
It really isn't
It'd be the tau hard carrying absolutely everything
The unsc only live in halo because of plot armour while the tau actually are capable of surviving
a Spartan would never walk from an opponent without making sure they are dead.
Not even going to lie, the spartans fit pretty fucking good into 40k universe. “SIR WE’RE OUT OF AMMO” “Then we’ll play their game"
The UNSC could make for a solid guardsman regiment. Bear in mind they are known for having very advanced training as the UNSC beat the Covenant on most ground engagements, only losing to orbital bombardment. Spartans could serve as an elite spec ops force capable of infiltration missions and, assignments making Space Marine deployment less neccesary in certain scenarios. Cortana could probably be passed off as a machine spirit, considering she was created using human DNA and is technically not fully inorganic. The Imperium would simply need to augment them with some better technology for combat. Slip space is far faster than Warp travel and far more safe. This could lead to the imperium no longer relying on warp travel if the UNSC teams up with the mechanicus and mass produces the slip space drives. The large increase in resources and planets would allow for much greater fielding and creations of Spartans of various levels of design(Spartan 2s, and Spartan 3s would be created in mass due to hive worlds having billions of potential candidates. Spartan 4 augments could also help with increasing the effectiveness of adult Guardsman commisars, officers, and tempestus scions). ONI definitely may find themselves in trouble if they try to reverse engineer xeno technology but considering the Mechanicus is sketchy at times, they may be able to hide this. I
TLDR: Overall I think the UNSC could function quite well as an Auxillary faction and/or Guardsman regiment for the Imperium. As a bonus combat shielding, and less invasion augmentations may be able to limit casualties and increase effectiveness of human units. (if properly tuned for the scale of 40k weapons).
UNSC would rebel at mind control and forced religious indoctrination, and they'd be so naively vocal about it (when you lived in a world where freedom of speech is a fundamental right, and fundamental human rights does exist, you can make rookie mistakes like theses in 40K). Enough to ensure there would be no UNSC member left within a year of them integrating the Imperium; but some of their tech will remain and be put to good use... For the Emperor!
22:00 I would have used fire team omega Mostly people need to get it out of their heads.But Spartans do not only use the generic infantry weapons of the u.N.S c marines They use anything and everything
La oni hasta les sugiere a los spartan conservar el arsenal enemigo, de hecho asi es como se hicieron los escudos de energia de las armaduras mjnnoir
The answer to the question of wether or not the unsc can survive in 40k or the covenant is the same it depends on the era of the imperium
Great crusade imperium-unsc survives but gets absorbed into the imperuim . The covenant gets annihilated though
Post Horus heresy-unsc gets destroyed due to ai but covenant stalemates due to it and imperuim being surrounded on all sides
Indomitus crusade- if guilliman and cawl meet the unsc leaders first then things should look good otherwise unsc gets destroyed
Całe is Mary sue
This was extremely well done. The feudal world as a setting for first contact within the "new" galaxy and the Tau Empire being the UNCs first meeting with any of the major factions within this new, utterly brutal, and exceedingly violent existence that is 40k was extremely thought out and well done. Great job.
I never figured or thought that the Imperium of Man would be so quick to fire upon another completely unknown and totally alien human faction. I'd think they would at least be a bit more diplomatic, rational, and thought out and want details to this new human presence. Their immediate brutality and hostility was shocking in this story. Though being that its 40k if they hesistate for a second too long they'll get wiped out, or have a chaos invasion, or who knows what. So i guess i understand their hostility. Any hesitation and dare i say "humanity", literally gets you killed in the 40k universe.
The UNSC probably wouldn't stand much chance vs the tyranids, since the tyranids are basically a more expansive/powerful/scary version of the flood. Necrons are the forerunners/prometheans on steroids, advanced technology taken to a completely new level for the UNSC. the Imperium would probably be willing to collaborate with the UNSC, so would the Tau and Eldar, the Orks might cooperate if offered certain forms of tech like slipspace or MAC weaponry, it really depends on which faction the UNSC meets first and how diplomacy goes
Nah, the Eldar view anyone that's not them as less that cockoraches. If they ever encountered the UNSC they would most likely simply avoid them, as they would be far beneath their notice and of absolutely no use technology wise, the eldar already being by far the most tech advanced race in the universe, rivaled only by the necrons.
Spartans see Space Marines and experiences post-human dread for themselves and a need for fresh armour.
Nope. Spartans don't have that ability plus your average Spartan is 7 to 8 ft tall and 400 plus pounds wearing half a ton of power armor. And has a lot of tech that your average Space Marine doesn't have.
Oh and fun fact Astartes aren't post -human they are augmented and well trained humans. Implanting organs and doing genetic, chemical and cybernetic modifications to the human body doesn't make them the Demigods that many 40k fans head cannon make them out to be. They still bleed and they still die like another human.
Though the Spiderman meme moment when a Space Marine sees Jorge-052 would be rather funny if were giving Halo everything and tossing them into 40k.
Realistically aside from orders if there any given as in if the UNSC were at war with each other would change this. But more often than not Spartans and Space Marines would probably get along fine.
Even though i disagree about the out come of the spartan vs astartes 1v1 this is pretty good work
imagine blowing up sombody's moon, you know the thing that controls their tides, and then calling them up on the phone and saying 'Greetings and Peace' imagining they'll take you seriously in any capacity.
Soldiers from year 2500 vs Soldiers from year 40,000.
As if the answer is not obvious.
I mean in a full fleet on fleet action the UNSC might do alright just because they have AI and the ability to travel slip space instead of the warp. But Astartes win against the UNSC every time
Soldiers of 40k are no where close to the soldiers of DAOT... Just because years progress doesn't mean they are more advanced...Most of our tech and power got wiped out by the men of iron.
If we are talking about an average imperial guardsman vs a UNSC marine post war, honestly it could go either way as they wear near enough the same armour, the only difference is training, weapons and how they think
@@rossgadsby9663 yeah, as we saw in the video spartans can win against an average space marine, but a few hundred spartans can't win against against millions of astares
@@Aged_Onions bro what??? A space marine can lived up to 500 years or more. Can spartan lived more than 200 years while active in duty? Spartan is just augmented human. While astartes is demi god stronger than super soldier like captain America. They have 12 implants directly from a primarch.
Astartes also have titan, emperor class titan, imperator class titan, astartes bolter are stronger than 762 lol. Imperium also has custode. 1 custode is enough to kill hundreds of spartan.
I feel like if the unsc was able to assimilate into the tau empire it would soon spell the end of the imperium. The tau tech could probably help make a staggering amount of Spartans and probably even more advanced ones. That’s all assuming they don’t fall to chaos lol
I'm also heard that Terra was moved from Earth's initial position at some point during the Age of Technology and with all the Warp Shenanigans and tens of thousands of years of time passed there's no chance that Splipspace Topography wasn't altered if not completely thrown out of wack from what the UNSC knows and the Ships sent to earth wouldn't have ended anywhere near where they thought Earth Was.
that was great. very well done and detailed on both sides. only real bias I could feel was everyone is headed for the grim dark feel, no one's coming out of that one smiling
Considering what the UNSC was able to achieve until now, it will probably fix for good the galaxy of 40k. 😤
This genuinely put a smile on my face and I’m not even done yet 6:25
So well crafted and thought out. Thank you!
Bro don’t let this series finish stretch it out as long as you can 👌
Honestly, the Spartans and Astartes were done perfectly, well done
Instead of going toe to toe, I get the feeling the UNSC would just unleash... ONI 😢
The UNSC isn't going to go toe to toe with anyone. They use sneaky underhanded tactics all the time.
i like the scenario since in that the usnc actually has the ability to live on and react to this universe... was alot of fun hearing through it
Fuck that hurt to hear that the Spartan went down. That shit made me wanna cry, I knew he was screwed as soon as he didn’t finish him off because I’m a fan of both series but damn does that hurt…
It was a travesty bereft of canon knowledge. It took me about 10 minutes of google to know that Spartans would wipe the floor with astartes.
Juxtaposing the relatablability to the UNSC against the Imperium of Man is a brilliant way of putting how batshit 40K is into perspective. Very well done 👍
I imagine the UNSC isn't too far off from the humanity that existed during the "dark age of technology"
More primitive but yes.
I feel like UNSC would be the earliest possible part of the "dark age of technology." There are many things they are not capable of doing that the dark age created. But many of the craziest dark age creations were made to fight the men of iron.
@@StevenGregersen the UNSC is probably in comparison to humanity a few centuries of mankind outside of the solar system, maybe a dozen other systems with human civilization, early ai and very naive to the universe around them
Dark Ages of Technology is far beyond anything in Halo….. The height of Humanity Technology that can conquer half of the galaxy.
40k tech in current time is like 40% compare to dark ages of technology.
@ yes but humans of the dark age of technology have more in common and think more in align of those in the USNC. They have similar technology, even evening levels apart
You mean a single unsc fleet with… one spartan? Still shows the difference between the universes. Fun video.
I don’t think you can say the UNSC if it’s just one fleet. That’s like saying the Imperium, but it’s just one battle fleet and a planetary invasion force.
I guess. The thing is, one imperial battle fleet equals more than the entire unsc anyway. They stand absolutely no chance in the 40k universe. Joining the TAU is literally their only option.
please make a sequal of this. I could see this turning into an entire series. Its good!
I feel like the space marines would more likely be like brutes and Master Chief took on a few by himself even hit by a gravity hammer and still didn’t phase him. With how much speed and maneuverability a spartan has over a space marine I think a spartan would win 9 times out of 10, Spartans use anything in their surroundings as a weapon and have an AI looking up weaknesses and ideas at the same time. The UNSC would still lose but only because they can’t mass produce Spartans like the space marines.
As of Halo 4 we learn that they can mass produce Spartans.
The Spartan 4s are Spartans and are physically equal to Spartan 2s and 3s while in armor.
So yeah the augmentation process came full circle. They started with the ORION Project aka Spartan 1. Which used adult soldiers of which currently they have at least 4 billion. Then Spartan 2 used special children. Spartan 3 used war orphans and now they are back to using adult soldiers/ Marine/ ODST Veterans.
4 billion Spartan 4s because the galaxy is hell and this is the natural progression of the UNSC going forward. So 4 billion Spartans over 800 worlds. Is a lot better than around a million Space Marines spread out over 1 million worlds.
The UNSC if their smart and do as Dr. Halsey stated by making everyone in their military Spartans. As Spartans are their future.
Doing this makes them powerful in terms of ability to defend themselves even with a lack of overall numbers.
It's quality vs quantity. The UNSC doesn't have the numbers of personal of any other faction beyond the Tau. So must invest in the quality of their forces.
First time I've heard what I feel is an accurate description of how space marine vs spartan would go
I did a timeline video which included the halo universe, I basically think of it as dark age of technology era
Pretty much. Rogue AI, FTL travel, Neurolinks, Multiverse bullshit. Halo basically is the dark age of technology lol. 'Nids are just what happen to The Flood after an extra 25,000 years.
It’s not even close tbh.
The extent of DAoT technology is several orders of magnitude above halo.
Black holes as casual ammo on ships.
Time travel.
Quantum hyperposition to quite literally desintegrate matter at several points in time.
Almost all of the many methods of exterminatus are unmatched by most planet killing methods in halo, aside from the halo devices themselves.
Neurolinks?
Almost everyone of any importance whatsoever in 40k has bionic implants, many of which directly link their neural systems to other tech.
Literally entering a parallell universe/dimension (the warp),
Not only entering it, but also somehow continually linking it to your original dimension, making both blend into eachother whilst also staying separate (gellar field)
(Idk about you, but literally finding a way to fundamentally break the laws of physics and open a gate to unreality is quite a step above having AI’s and stuff like halo has)
This was also done with science, not psykers, as humanity didn’t get psykers aside from a very select few exceptions until the beginning of the age of strife, which was after the DAoT.
Then casually introducing teleporters that send individual people through that seperate dimension and spitting them out on the other side, unharmed.
The list goes on.
People forget that DAoT tech is nearly indistinguishable from magic.
I thoroughly would enjoy a story like this. Halo type humans getting transported to 40k universe is something I would watch party.
Now do one where the UNSC runs into the Drukhari. I want to hear the Spartan's thoughts as he's made into furniture.
They wouldn't get nearly as much pleasure from that.
Not even sure they could get repairs if their ships could even get repaired with as backwards the emperium mind set .
Yeahhh... Idk man. Your Spartan vs Space marine scene was complete fanservice...
I get the emperor made the armor and everything but these are future Tech pistols too and you described a point blank shot to a vulnerable area.
Depending on the specific round the Spartans had in their M6 and what Mk the Astartes was wearing then its 100% plausible even shots there wouldn't penetrate. Anything stronger definitely would have went through though.
A spartan going up against a space marine with only an ma5 and m6d Is an unfair fight Not impossible but very slanted in the space marine's favor a gauss rifle or hydra would be needed
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The Spartans may have chosen to use a super-hardened armor piercing bullet (.30 caliber).
In the halo novels, the rebels used these super armor-piercing bullets.
It even dented the shell of a Fenrir bomb, which was able to contain the blast for a full second.
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I understand what you're saying, but have a rebuttal. Spartans are Astartes are far too close to equals in combat for any clean-cut win/loss declaration, so it would follow that defeat would go to the first one to make even a fraction of a mistake. Here, it was the Spartan that slipped up first, and the Astartes immediately capitalized on it. In a battle of equals, even a minor mistake is death.
I would love to see the guy who did the Astartes animation do one of what he’s describing, a full out battle between them and Spartans, would be siiiiiick!
Wait a second... at 23:45 How would Dark eldar take over a ship with Spartans on it? A single Astarties, one normal woman, and a dog killed an entire raiding party in like 2 minutes. Spartans travel in Fireteams, there is no way a Drakari raid can capture a ship with a whole Spartan II or III Fireteam on board. The normal humans on board, RIP, but not the Spartans.
Result: "FOR THE EMPEROR, THE EMPORER PROTECTS." *Salamander Ranks Bulk Up Immediately*
goddam ur a great storyteller. awesome vid
Thank you!!!
Unless The Lion or Guilliman's forces find the splinter fleet they'er basically fucked for harboring demons(AI).
If the Primarchs find them well it would be very interesting to say the least.
The UNC would stand no chance against a legion of astartes and psykers let alone a legion of knights or larger.
The UNSC fights Covenant Scarabs which are comparable enough to minor titans. The typical way to defeat those is via heavy air support. A UNSC Longsword is not far removed from a Tau Tiger Shark, . They'd be nasty as hell if air assets are tied up and unavailable however. Astartes would be too much save for perhaps ideal conditions/combined arms.
You compare Covenant Scarabsto imperial knights?
Good joke
@@whiteeye3453 Not to mention that they weren't even performing well against Scarabs.
@@RJALEXANDER777 you sure know that even small titans have VOIDSHIELDS right?
40k knows different types of "nergyshields" even the imperium is able to produce planet wide energyshields, basicly all mechanicus forgeworlds have one
and for titans or capital ships they have voidshields one of the last true golden age tech 40k humans can still reproduce
comparing a scarab even to an imperial knight is already delusional^^
"a musket from 16th is not far removed from a bmg sniper" these are merely 400 years expierence of warfare between, while you compare basicly 37.6k years difference of warfare just to show how absurd such comparrasions are
@@RJALEXANDER777 an emperor class titan can be seen in orbit. Just throw 1 custode than unsc is done
A single UNSC Sr engineer could defeat the entire adeptus mechnicus i feel like lol
The Spartans might have a small chance for a day or 2. but the UNSC as a whole have no chance in hell, military power is not large enough to start with
the only issue being that while spartans have an upper hand against normal troops shield regeneration being huge, the numbers are crazy and they are out matched by space marines in everything but agility and personal shielding so if they arrive its just game over (although if you do the math per lore there is 1000 chapters limited to 1000 matines (most chapters) thata only 100,000 would they bother using them against the unsc outside of them arriving on a major planet
@@maddawg9882no they're not
@@maddawg9882When you compare the average spartan vs the average space marine. I do think that the average Spartan can come out uptop. That's about it though. And it's also pretty depedent on the chapter. Like a minotaur in my opinion, would demolish a spartan. But the raven's and the wolves, I can see losing against one.
The Space Marines will outnumber a spartan, There were only 33 Spartan IIs that passed the augmentations without any problems that we're aware of. And there were only 930 Spartan 3s. And even though the spartan 3s were just as capable as the 2s. They got wasted in suicide missions. Upset for GAMMA company.
A space marine weapons on the average is gonna be stronger. Granted I do think that there are weapons that a spartan has access too that can demolish a space marine. That being the Spartan Laser, their SPNKRs, grenade launchers, The Stanchion, and SRS. But that's about it. A spartan's battle rifle nor are their MAs gonna do shit.
Both space marines and spartans have been shown on being able to use vehicles as weapons, tearing through tank hatches; and alotta other crazy shit.
But once we get into Space marine sergeants, and the more experieced of the bunch. It just doesn't become even.
I do think that the spartan's advantages over a space marines is their versatility, their armor, (If we get into Mark VI, Gen 2, Mark VII, And Gen 3), their ai (if they have one). And technology. Spartan's being able to overshield, cloak, see almost everything with VISR, is just a great ability to have.
But even then, they're neck to neck.
@thadmeboy1129 what not though? multiple things are said and nothing said would be have "their not tho" as a valid reply
@justapersonz5441 i wasnt arguing the spartans have a chance against a space marine, i was saving 2 days was a low number against a non military planet, and your not wrong on what you said, 2 days isnt even plausible against space marines
Wait till the Warhammer 40k finds the flood...
Spartan IIs and Space Marines are far more comparable than Warhammer fans like to give them credit for, while Space Marines may have a slight strength and speed advantage, a spartan is infinitely smarter, and its for that reason that I firmly believe that no spartan would simply take a step back after stabbing an opponent thats comparable to them, I mean, theyve been fighting brutes and elites for years, who can tank far more than a stab through the chest, unless it was a spartan IV, a II and a III wouldve shot the space marine the moment that helmet came off, sword through the chest or not, a spartan taking a break before the threat is completely dealt with and dead on the ground is completely out of character
i feel that segment with the spartan taking a breather when the marine was very clearly still alive was just a reason to kill the spartan so the Astartes fanboys wouldnt tear OP a new one for even implying a space marine would loose a battle
i think you're right, i think the spartans would still get wrecked in a war vs the imperium, but in that particular fight i agree with you.
The most unrealistic thing is a spartan actually winning a melee engagement against an astartes. They are simply not trained in that department to the extent a century old veteran who has seen countless battles would be. An astartes neophyte would be a closer match up for a spartan.
@swordclaw7318 you realize spartan armor is only twice the weight of space marine armor?
That with that extra weight they're still more agile? Making them stronger than space marines...
Cuz if I can move faster in heavier gear....
Dunno I think you're biased.
@swordclaw7318 my brother in christ a spartan beat a hunter to death with his bare hands, a fucking giant the size of one of the larger primarchs that's also far FAR stronger than your average space marine
A regular spartan would beat a regular space marines ass in Melee
@@Daveo3
Hunter is crap compared to the things space marines face, and FK even a team of spartans and master chief lost to a monkey atriox.
And you said Spartans won against space marines in melee? Lol spacearine fights much stronger enemies than atriox. Space marines can tear apart Spartans with their bare hands in combat melee
The Tau is probably one of the safest races to fight for the UNSC. Can't really imagine just how bad it would be for a 9ft tall, power armored monster to come stomping through one of their ships. Caring little for small arms fire, and practically dispatching targets with a glance.
Can the tau survive in the halo universe
Definitely. They would probably be either the second most powerful or most powerful faction in the modern times of the Halo Universe (2568). And while not the largest in terms of size. They would be very powerful. I mean the Tau have all the advanced technologies of both the Covenant and the UNSC(besides slipspace) and more. Their guns are better than the Covenant's and UNSC guns
@@Pixel22-fs3tt
It's hard to say.
UNSC's vehicle-mounted Vulcans fire at 44 times the speed of sound.
Tau's gauss gun isn't that fast.
And the FTLs are not nearly as fast.
Before the war, the UNSC was traveling two light-years a day , about the same as the IOM.
After the war, the UNSC's speed reached 800 light-years per day , crossing the entire galaxy in 180 days, a speed that the IOM couldn't even imagine .
Tau ships are traveling slower than the IOM in light years per day .
@@orionakd And they put 90mm cannons on their MBTs at the same time.
Imperial FTL goes 90 light years per day btw.
@@nobleman9393 If 90mm could do what it's supposed to do there would be no need to keep adding numbers , you could even argue that it's lightweight due to progress.
Also the problem with Imperial FTL velocities in 40K is that the data is very inconsistent , judging trans-galactic velocities can vary from a few years to a year , not to mention the dangerous WARP dimensions .
Slip space, on the other hand, is not as problematic , and in fact such a technology in the 40K universe would surely make Guillimane or the god Emperor give direct orders for friendly diplomacy.
@@orionakd a gaus canon which fires projektiles 13.7km/sek, but has a range of merely 8km...^^
tau railguns are "slower" and have even subsonic amounition, but the heavy railguns can be faster if wantet
not to mention...
actual railguns (the heavy mountet ones) shoot with mach7, and that over 150km
im pretty sure they meant 4.4mach, which wouldf be still awesome
and even if ftl would work without issue (because humanity and all other races, including necrons are to dumb for basic ftl each young star empire need as base tech) warp travel is unreliable, but not "really" faster or slower in the end, with luck you just need seconds to minutes to cross the whole galaxy, if unlucky your voyage will take 800 years
UNSC: Uses AI
Imperium: loads Bolters religiously
Imperium: "WE DESTROY WHOLE PLANETS ON A SLIGHT WHIM!"
UNSC: "Fun...we beat someone else just like that recently..."
Absolutely loved this, more UNSC stories involving other the 40K universe would be most welcome. Thanks for this
great video, can you do one with the covenant?
It's certainly on the table! If enough people ask for it I'll do it sooner but for now I have got other video ideas that I'm working on currently 😄
@@HypospaceYT if you are going to do one about the covenant in the future could you give them a large enough fleet to where they could stand a chance, like giving them high charity and the entire fleet around it
Oh absolutely!
I've never seen a spartan pick up an elite and rip them in half with their bare hands
They are quick and strategic not just brutes they aren't bloodlusted
Yeah it can and it will, slipspace is not the warp after all.
It is now, as it is connected to 40k galaxy.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 plus the UNSC still has to deal with orks, tyrannids, necrons & chaos corruption/ the fact that daemons can & will corrupt/ possess UNSC AI's.
which is terrible because UNSC society is so heavily automated with AI's just like the federation of man was during the 15th - 25th millennium.
the UNSC are ill prepared for Ork hordes, Chaos warbands, Necron legions or Tyranid swarms.
they would get pulverized so bad from all directions that either the survivors flee to join the imperium, stay & get betrayed by their own AI's or get slaughtered by xeno's or chaos.
simply put the UNSC is not equipped or ready to survive the short term, never mind the immense timescale Warhammer operates at.
@@velstadtvonausterlitz2338 That's something completely different.
I'm 10 minutes in and I'm like "Average Spirit of fire side adventure" 😂
Considering humanity has access to forerunner tech or whatever, whilst the current 40k is in a technical technological dark ages, it’d be pretty short lived
Forerunner tech is shit any day and every day
@@mervinreyes3008 ok, see who’s genius is better here, likely yours given you’re more in-depth with 40k because I was going to say 40k besides dark ages technology. Given the most advanced technology in halo is neural based and the truest extent of its ability isn’t told, which in modern science everything is being proven to be neurologically connected, I say halo smacks 40k since they don’t have anything for universal or galactic level destroyers that I know of besides that star map system that those Necros or whoever have that risks universal annihilation just by sweeping your hand through whatever part of it. To me, they are equals, not to mention 40k is way further in the future than halo, so by technical standard, they do win, but humans in halo have access to precursor technology, and 40k even mentions precursor reality, so if you ask me, it’s just a game of tag
forerunner tech is insanly powerful, the ark and halo array could kill all life in the 40k galaxy, from what i remember, the forerunners could harvest energy from a different universe for power, they are around the level of the war in heaven katan/necrons if not abit higher
@@soudino2723 wait, hold up, instead of them going to that techno heaven, they created their own universe?
@@Elasquantum they drilled into another universe for energy from what i remember, and they are strong enough to dominate all factions in the current 40k setting( keep in mind that this wasent special to the forerunners, it was more like a small side project)
Talking about the close fight between the spartan and imperial fist, while footage of Spartans being ragdolled by brutes plays in the background seems a bit counter productive to this idea of what that fight would look like😂.
chief fell in love with an ai he will fall to chaos 100%
No he wouldn't you amoeba. The dude has an iron will and a love for humanity so strong he will never stop even in direct violation of orders. He is already 10 steps ahead of the fallen primarchs and unlike robot guiliham he doesnt get ultra depression when he is faced with a hopeless situation.
@@casematecardinal calm down brother they are imaginary, who actually cares.
@@casematecardinalyup he is the Salamander of Halo
Master Chief all have to do is drop one spawn of the flood let them do all the work then activate all the Halo and then he will come on top
this is interesting but I think you forgot how big Imperial Space is and how fast UNSC ships are. the imperial can try to chase but with UNSC AI and slipspace, they can outrun all of their attempts. the imperial is also too big, and due to a poor filing system, they lost entire worlds. the UNSC can just move away from segmental terra and be fine, they are systems where the imperial shows up every 100 years or so. this makes for a far less interesting story compared to the one you told but one more likely to be. lastly, if you want the story to feel more organic I would recommend using the infinity next time. the original purpose of the Infinity was to be part of a mobile fleet to save humanity from extinction. just say Halo 3 didn`t happen and the humanity in Halo got as many people as they could on ships but were attacked by the covenant before they were ready. they activated the infinity forerunner slip space before it was properly installed and something went wrong. they were now in the 40k galaxy with most of their ships holding civilian populations in a space-fearing fleet.
almost forgot, call it heresy but depending on the chapter the Spartans will destroy the space marines. most space marines follow a warrior code and as such leave themselves exposed. and while they are stronger than Spartans, Spartans are better-trained combatants. Spartans without sword training have matched elite sword masters.
Yeah that’s actually valid point, their is only one chapter of space marines that actually use tactics instead of just charging in the fire zone
What nonsense are you talking about? Space marines are better combatants, they have hundreds of years of experience.
@@JiwakuMembanteng-z3b If you love 40k, we both know that`s a lie and a lazy one. Space marines don`t change much or barely change at all. They fight by their chapter rules and regulations and barely deviate from such tactics. you can have some oddball deviations like Malum Caedo but hundreds of years of experience means nothing. they barely grow and change and they operate in a century timeline. what would take you a decade of development to a character in another franchise would take a century in 40k. it took the space wolves nearly 10k years to stop being major A-holes and become fratboy A-holes. that`s 10k years of character development in 40k.
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Nah, recruiting from children to Scout Marines and becoming Space Marines does take longer than Spartans.
And here we know who lied saying that Spartans will destroy Space Marines in melee combat, where Spartans only have an average reaction speed of 20ms And the reaction speed of space marines is faster than that, not to mention space marines face opponents that are much stronger and faster than spartans, such as eldar.
And even one spartan pac was destroyed by atriox In melee, Spartan melee combat is very bad compared to space marines Since childhood and as Marine Scouts, they have often used swords,
And spartan enemies are very slow compared to space marine enemies even master chief will die if var gathani or atriox kills him directly instead of Always throw it.
And we haven't even talked about the wound tolerance where a spartan would fall to the ground with just a monkey's bare hands, which is only a minor injury to a space marine.
@@JiwakuMembanteng-z3b This will sound rude but the more you talk the more it sounds like you don`t know what you are talking about. I will divide this into 3 points to address your arguments; training, combat, and injury.
- Training. Space Marines' requirement is generally between the ages of 12 to 15 as gene-seed treatment is done between 14 to 16. Dorn already showed that space marines can be mass-produced during the siege of Terra and Dante is also doing mass recruitment and deployment. Space marine can be deployed within one year during mass recruitment or multiple when there`s no rush. Spartans literally have the longer training regiment and one that is not specialized. They trained in all terrains and all environments. Space marines trained in the regime designed by their legions. Which is limited even for the best-trained legions.
- Combat. Aatrox used strength, speed, stealth, and tight room to maximize his strength and minimize his opponent. he didn`t charge blindly while screaming. this was to show he was a brute in strength but a tactician in mind. you are trying to use that scene to make me believe the Spartans are weak in melee when that scene is made to show how tactical Aatrox is. To further highly this Jerome single-handedly kills over a dozen brutes. also, I bet you didn`t notice Aatrox bending to reinforce Titanium armor with little effort, showing he does not have "monkey hand" strength. He is strong enough to crush space marines with brute force if it wasn`t for the space marines' superior reaction time.
lastly injuries, in the fall of Reach one spartan was active for hours with; broken ribs, punctured lungs, burned internal organs, exposed spine, and rapture leg muscle. Space marines can take more punishment but spartan are not as weak as you are making them out to be.
If the Tau can, the UNSC certainly can as well. Their tech level and physical/psychic prowess are on par population wise, and the UNSC has Spartans to boost that. The focus Halo games put on man-sized fights is due to it being an FPS, but the UNSC could easily adapt to stuff like Titans etc. As to the numbers game, again look at the Tau. You news not be the Empire to survive or thrive in the 40k universe, just stay the fuck away from Chaos and give the Empire enough room to fuck itself up and you'll be fine (as much as one can be in 40k anyways)
Yes, if the Tau can. So can the UNSC.
UNSC actually understands their own tech and uses effective strategies other than “throw meat into the grinder.”
@@sidecharacter7165 Their actions state otherwise.
the tau are imune to chaos, had 4+k years time to beef up thier tech as a race written to growth to fast for thier own good, have atleast dozen of times more numbers and ultimatly living in a very remote corner of the 40k universe
a 2.3k humanity without any god emporers and basicly one real planet at any time in the story will surely do well^^
@@nobleman9393 they don't send people to their deaths because it is convenient. They sell lives dearly when there is nothing else and they need time. Pretty different
Tau have way better armies than the unsc
I wish you described what the sound of the voices sounded like coming through the radio to the unsc all static and robotic voice like and made a note for how advanced the emperors tech is its pretty rudimentary compared to the unsc
Nothing survives 40k In the end
Perfectly put
what would happen if the UNSC warped with a halo ring. it would be interesting because they could destroy the imperium head planets.
You undersold the spartans but other than that i liked it
Not really? They owned Imperial navy personnel, and with inferior weaponry on hand proved capable of taking an Astartes down in melee of all things. Failing only because they weren't anticipating the sheer superhuman toughness of one. That's more credit than a lot of people would give a Spartan facing the Imperium.
@@RJALEXANDER777bruh, even the weakest spartan would tear an astartes apart. Even unarmored they could pick an astartes up and throw them, while being multiple times faster.
@@mattburkett9419 A spartan with an energy sword would pretty much destroy anything lol
Late reply but I think he over sold the Spartans, Space marines have faster reaction times and are much stronger. There’s also way more of them than Spartans so the Spartans are outclassed in quality and quantity
@@westonbroomfield439 spartans are alot stronger and faster/agile. Not to mention if a spartan gets ahold of a bolter its game over for any space marines due to the crazy reaction time of a spartan
How do you think this would play out? 👀
If we going by book lore Spartans have better strength and speed feats then named space marines
This video was good ... VERY GOOD ... Are you planning on making a Could the COVENANT survive 40K? (Other options you could do: Arbiter's Swords of Sangheilos / Atriox's Banished / the Forerunners / the FLOOD )
I'm definitely up for making videos like that 100%! I've already got a few lined up including one that you've just mentioned and several other ideas from other universes. But seeing as I've had multiple ask me for a covenant video it looks like that one might be bumped up the list!
Can you do warframe there seriously not a single good video of one....
Warframe got so many similarly of warhammer like they got there own version of the warp which is the void the tenno are immune by it. If they're in the warp, they are mostly immune by the corruption since they already corrupted by the void.
So fair there is one God but still a mystery, it said this God is fair stronger then the 4 chaos gods mostly due. It own the void by itself, still don't know if it sentience. Eventually we will learn what it is or wants.
Anyways enemies of warframe is crazy like the grineer, there armor can be compared with Spartans armor but without a power armor, they are like 1/4 strength protection without shield. It stupid heavy about 1000 pounds. All that weight is lift up by there strength alone that why I said no power armor. They are originally created as slave labor clones which is why they are so strong carrying or lifting things.
Anyways the biggest threat would be the tenno with there warframe suit, they are too strong both physically and 5th Dimension powers.
The enemies name the sentient is basically stronger versions of the necrons
Eh I forgot to mention the warframe is basically the Golden Era of their time but majority of the technology is gone.
Anyways please look into it, warframe is very deep in lore like warhammer 40k
I forgot to mention they do have there own version of dreadnought in warframe for a player to control called the nekomech.
They got crew ship player can control name railjack etc there so much to do in this game
After watching this definitely it be very hard to try be independent traveling the world of warhammer 40k too many enemies want you dead.
Tenno from warframe would be the only faction that can truly independent by themselves. I can imagine them flying into imperial ships without them noticing with there void stealth technology.
Many times tenno able to park there ship next to enemies capital ship like they are blind to see. It really that stealthy. Most importantly tenno can easily kill a space marine, they are more beyond super soldiers. They're more like demi gods of super soldiers. I'm more interested how does the world of 40k interact the tenno. They can't be killed in battle, they can destroy there warframe body many times they want. But they will always stand up, the factions of 40k point of view would see them as a mystery alien that suddenly shows up easily take over planets by themselves to protect. I be interested to see a single tenno shows up middle of ork roar, while the imperial trying to defend but losing. Who knows if tenno drop in and help them out.
A 26 minute video that could be summed up as "No." At the height of its power the UNSC is less numerous than the Tau Empire and if any existing faction in the 40k universe was able to put its full force into the Tau empire then they would be destroyed. The UNSC would have less of a chance than that. It may take time but every enemy in the 40k universe is FAR larger than the covenant. Honestly if they thought the naval battles vs the covenant were bad imagine going up against the Imperial Navy. That would be a nightmare.
BTW, my initial comment may have seemed dismissive so just to be clear I VERY much enjoyed the video. ❤
The UNSC wouldn't fall like that. They'dve successfully set up elsewhere and reverse engineered technology.
They reserve engineering because fouruners alow them to do that
@@whiteeye3453 and forerunners are infinitely more advanced than imperium tech.
@@preddes6522 to some degrees yes but that not my point here
My point is the only reason Unsc were capable of reversed engineering fouruners is because they allow them
Wow! Gripping storytelling! Love it love it, I am a fan now
Spartan vs Astartes is like Leopard vs Lion
Yes, a leopard *COULD* kill a lion. It wouldn't though. But it could.
Wrong, it’s like a combat master vs a toddler that’s been blown up to be as large as an adult. Canonically Spartans would likely kill an astartes in a single punch.
I've never heard of the Astra Militarum running from an enemy in fear.
That's because a lot of the time they don't get the chance, getting gunned down either by the enemy or their pissed off local Commissar. They are, however, still regular humans and very much know fear. hell, I'd run too if I saw some guy in weird power armor doing shit I'd only ever heard of Space Marines doing.