Bronco 2.7 Ecoboost Detailed Oil Change. The missing 7th Quart
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Gavin and I go through a very detailed oil change on our 2021 Badlands with the 2.7 ecoboost. We found several things that we think you should know.
Note: The proper oil filter canister torque specification is 18 ft-lbs and not 24 ****
**** This is a very detailed oil change, I am not recommending that you follow what we did. This process was only done so we could confirm why some people could not determine why they were only removing and refilling 6.2 to 6.5 Qts of oil. The 2.7 Bronco Holds 7 Quarts of oil****
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I want to add that this is not your typical oil change. There are several things done that are not typical.
1- I removed the oil filter canister after draining the oil, this is typically done before draining the oil
2- In-running the engine before the oil change is to heat up the oil so it will flow freely, it is also to circulate the small debris and any solids so more of it will drain out with the oil versus settling in the pan and other spots
3- Oil samples should be taken from the stream and not a container,(even though it was clean)
4- 7 Quarts came out, 7 went in just as Ford calls for
5- I had to cut out footage due to time, the magnets didn't pick up any metal shavings (the shavings in the filter were aluminum) I did use the last half of the seventh quart.
6- The next oil change will be normal (I Promise)
Getting ready to give my Bronco her first oil change. This is such a great resource. Thanks for all your efforts!
Thank yo u for taking the time to make the video and including your son. A tip; I found using snap ring pliers a simpler way of installing the small O-ring on the oil filter canister (less chance of a pic damaging the O-ring and less manipulation). FYI, I have your same build and let mine set 4 hours; drained for 1 hour. 6 quarts out, but put seven in again, and above top hole on dipstick again. (Same as when it was shipped). So either the dip stick is wrong, (which I read in a ford group) or your oil catch pan was made in china and not accurate , and the missing 7th quart is still a mystery. I don’t know, but for me, 7 quarts are always going in unless ford updates it’s owners manual and/or with other misprints. Thank you again for taking the time to make this video; greatly appreciated.
Loved this video! Excellent way to simplify the process. By the way, just had my 1st oil change on my 2.7L 2DR Badlands (after 1,000 miles), I got 6.5Q in the pan. I popped open the oil cap and the oil stick while draining. So I decided to put back in what it lost = 6.5Q of Penzoil Platinum 5w-30. Thanks for all the tips! It surely helps!
Awesome! Thank you for watching! Since recording this video, Ford updated the owners manual to call for 6 quarts. I personally use 6.5.
Great video...thanks. I'm glad to see you discuss oil analysis. I have over 30 years in industrial maintenance and have used oil analysis as a part of my overall condition based maintenance program and have had many successes in identifying various failure modes before an actual failure. Identifying issues early on the P-F Curve is critical to to prevent unplanned downtime and costly expense.
Thank you for watching!
I really appreciate a great video that includes teaching the coming generations! I have a son and daughter I am always teaching as well. Subscribed just because you included him.
Awesome! Thank you, Gavin is the reason I started this channel 👍
This oil capacity question reminds me of the experience with a 1996 SVT Cobra: early engines shipped with the wrong dipstick, so there was all kinds of controversy about how much oil to put in a 4.6 DOHC Cobra. FWIW, my 2.7 F150 has always taken 6 quarts. My two week old Bronco 2.7 shows full on the dipstick on the factory oil fill. I’m going to start with 6 quarts when I change it, and then go by the dipstick. Btw, I found out the hard way on my 2015 F150: allow plenty of drain back time before checking oil. I overfilled mine by two quarts on the first change, before I realized what was going on!
Thanks for the video; I finally got a build date of March 6th 2023. I got a VIN for my 2.7 2DR BASESQUATECH so I think I'm safe. I will be picking her up in West Virginia and will be breaking her in on the way back to Florida (avoiding long durations at highway speeds by taking scenic routes when ever possible) . As soon as I get back, I'll be doing an oil change at somewhere close to 1,000 miles. I squeaked in under the wire as Ford was really encouraging reservationists to change their order to remove MIC hard top and sasquatch package (LUX is not an option for base neither is high or mid for that matter). All in I should be getting the Bronco for less than 40k. I identified the 2DR BaseSquatch as probably the best bang for the buck build.
Congratulations 🎉, you are going to really enjoy it 👍
I want to add that this is not your typical oil change. There are several things done that are not typical.
1- I removed the oil filter canister after draining the oil, this is typically done before draining the oil
2- In-running the engine before the oil change is to heat up the oil so it will flow freely, it is also to circulate the small debris and any solids so more of it will drain out with the oil versus settling in the pan and other spots
3- Oil samples should be taken from the stream and not a container,(even though it was clean)
4- 7 Quarts came out, 7 went in just as Ford calls for
5- I had to cut out footage due to time, the magnets didn't pick up any metal shavings (the shavings in the filter were aluminum) I did use the last half of the seventh quart.
6- The next oil change will be normal (I Promise)
Nice having your helper in the garage with you. I like using the Ronin Factory easy oil drain plug to replace the yellow plastic plug so that it doesn’t make a mess when draining the oil since I don’t have that big catch funnel you show. Also the plug has a magnetic tip to catch any metallic ferrous metal pieces in the oil.
The Ronin easy oil drain plug can help collect a sample of oil without worrying about contamination and makes it super simple, you should check it out!
Thanks for the info! 👍
Genius. I watched every minute
Well Thank you!
great video to teach kids about cars❤..
Thank you for watching!
I agree, kids need to learn this stuff for sure.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors yes i always do service my cars myself my new f150 lariat, two new lexus 2023 models and always teach my son how to do that he just 7 years old but we need to teach them so they can’t ripped of in future.🙏🏼
It's been a long time since I had a cartridge style oil filter (1953 Chevy) but the rule was to always open the oil filter housing and open the oil filler before draining the oil or a good quart of oil would refuse to drain.
You never went back and re measured after you put the half quart in. Where did that put it on the hashes? So you did drain 7, but you also mentioned that on the dipstick it was above the top of the hashes. So was it over full with 7? Which is incorrect? The amount of oil it takes or the marks on the dipstick?
Yeah the video was already 57 minutes long I did have to cut a couple things out and that was one of them. The engine ended up with 7 quarts.
Based on the # mark 7 quarts of oil from the factory put it just over the top hole above the top # mark
@@DrivenWildOutdoors so if 7 qts put it above the top hole on the dip stick, wouldn’t that indicate over full? Looking at the manual page 321, spot A is the bottom hole and the minimum, spot B is the top of the hash marks and labeled nominal, and C is the top hole and labeled maximum. There is a note that says between A and C the oil level is acceptable and not to add oil. So it sounds like 7 might be a touch over full right?
@@dc_advntr5525 they are all overfilled from the factory according to the dipstick they use.
My brand new 2.7 Bronco was also above the hash marks. I believe the dipstick is a little inaccurate for a 7 quart fill up. Either that or Ford is overfilling every 2.7 and recommending about .5 quarts too much.
Yes, Ford does “over fill” new engines, especially the Eco Boost engines. My 2018 is always just above the top oil, tech said that’s the way Ford trained him to do so. My Wife’s 2021 Ranger with 2.3L Eco boost was filled the same. I asked tech and he said there is a lot of variation in engines 6.5 quarts plus or minus half a quart. Said seven will not hurt either engine. This man is correct on drain time. Read manual, says min drain time is 15 minutes but 30 is recommended, it’s in manual. And for “full synthetic oil” is dependent on use. Synthetic oil has many positives but a few flaws. Positive, oil is uniform throughout. Down side, if vehicles is used for short trips 5 miles or less synthetic oil can crystallize and destroy bearings. Read the Motor craft oil data sheets on synblend and full. Virtually no difference. Peace
Yes, Ford does “over fill” new engines, especially the Eco Boost engines. My 2018 is always just above the top oil, tech said that’s the way Ford trained him to do so. My Wife’s 2021 Ranger with 2.3L Eco boost was filled the same. I asked tech and he said there is a lot of variation in engines 6.5 quarts plus or minus half a quart. Said seven will not hurt either engine. This man is correct on drain time. Read manual, says min drain time is 15 minutes but 30 is recommended, it’s in manual. And for “full synthetic oil” is dependent on use. Synthetic oil has many positives but a few flaws. Positive, oil is uniform throughout. Down side, if vehicles is used for short trips 5 miles or less synthetic oil can crystallize and destroy bearings. Read the Motor craft oil data sheets on synblend and full. Virtually no difference. Peace
Once again, great content, thanks
Thank you!
Great video! I was looking forward to your oil change video. Going to do mine at 3000 miles and do much of the same that you are. Can't wait to hear your results on the oil analysis. Thanks for showing how to prime the system, great knowledge to have. I am waiting to Mishimoto to come out with their catch can for the 2.7. What are your thoughts on the catch can?
I like the catch can idea, it is less important on a dual injection engine versus a direct injection, however in my opinion it’s a great addition. I’m still trying to get confirmation from Ford if I install one will it affect my warranty or not. It shouldn’t however I don’t want to give bad advice. Once I get confirmation from them I will be doing a video on catch cans.
I have a catch can on my gen 1 coyote. Once you see what is getting by you'll never look back! Great idea for any engine!
Thanks for the video. Curious your thoughts on the Ronin Easy Oil Drain that can replace the OEM drain plug?
Thanks for watching!
I have seen them but I have never used them. It looks like a great option as long as they do not leak. I need to do more research on them.
There’s nowhere that says that you have to replace the OEM after each oil change however for 12 bucks I just figured I would. I talked to a mechanic at the dealership and he said that he takes care of a company fleet vehicles and they’ve been in there and not leaking for years.
Another good video. Thanks for all the details. Did I miss the use of the magnet trick?
no, I had to cut out footage due to time. The magnet didn't pick up any steel shavings, the only thing I found shavings I found appeared to be aluminum.
Thanks for watching.
Ford just released a bulletin updating the bronco 2.7L oil change refill capacity to 6.0 quarts. There is also an updated dipstick apparently.
That was a good video guys. Thank you for the info.
Thank you for watching
Awesome job awesome video thank you
Thank you for watching!
Good Video, but there are so many better oils out there than Motorcraft! i know Motorcraft oil is cheap but the engine is not!, i have been running Amsoil in my 2.7 Bronco with great results!
Can you put the part numbers in the descriptions of you videos.
Have you heard about a possible “bad batch” of early 2.7 bronco engines? I’ve seen 3 that have dropped valves. Curious to know your thoughts.
Yes I have. I don’t think they are dropping valves. My idea is it is LSPI is causing detonation which in turn is destroying the cylinders including the valves and block.
In ever case that I have heard about the drivers were at low rpm’s just driving. LSPI occurs in the 1300 to 2000 rpm range under high torque, example; 10th gear on the highway while accelerating or climbing a hill but not enough throttle to downshift to raise RPMs. This is one of the conditions needed to cause it, the other is a random oil droplet that flashes off and mixes with residual fuel vapor in the cylinder and causes an uncontrolled detonation which then the engine has its normal combustion cycle and this causes accelerated pressure in the cylinder which breaks the piston and then bits and pieces of the piston slap around and break everything else.
Of course I could be totally wrong and this is my theory, it basically comes down to the right conditions and possibly a tuning and programming change coming if I am right.
It is possible that it is bad/faulty valve retainers and keepers, however the driving conditions just before failure leads me to think LSPI. We will see I guess
If it makes any of you feel better about your 2.7, my 2015 F150 FX4 just turned 151,000 miles. Zero issues. Zero oil consumption. Still runs like new. I do Mobil 1 EP every 5000 miles, and I’ll be getting some snap ring pliers for that tiny oil filter o-ring, great tip. I love the little 2.7 so much that on March 27th I ordered up a 2dr Outer Banks Lux package 2.7 in Eruption Green. I just picked her up two weekends ago. Give these engines good oil, change it every 5K or so, and I see no reason why they won’t sail past 200,000 miles. I’m keeping the F150, it’s garage kept and still looks great, so I’ll find out just how long a well maintained 2.7 can live.
Just for clarification it looks like you added 6.5 quarts of oil. 1 qt then 5 qt. then 1/2 qt. ? You mentioned the oil was over the scratch line when you first checked it from Ford. Is that an overfill and possibly a problem ? I’m sure dealers won’t take the time as you did and not drain all the oil out then put 7 qts back in without checking. If this overfill does happen will it be a problem. ? Love your videos and have learned a lot. Cheers
Ron Bearden - No, did you watch and read the comments??? He said he added 7 quarts back into the engine...
The level on the dipstick is just over the top hole of the dipstick... It is not overfull.
The capacity according to the Owners Manual is what???? 7 quarts....
If you let it drain long enough you will get 7 quarts out..
It's well documented that Ford fills these engines, from factory, with 7.5 qts. The current owner's manual says 6 qts with filter change.
We only drain 7 quarts, and at that time that was still what was recommended in the owners manual. Ford has since I updated the owners manual to read 6 quarts.
Man…I would like to buy a used vehicle from you!
You also need to look for the Ford specs for your engine.
This has always been a problem with the 2.7 since it came out in the f150 years ago. Worth noting for all of the new bronco owners
By problem do you mean showing too high on the dipstick when filled to the specifications?
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Nice mustang 👍
Thank you
11 minutes in, i realized this is an HOUR LONG oil change video. Holy cow! lol And why do none of these youtube oil change guys keep kitty litter around for the inevitable spill? Am I the only one who uses kitty litter on spills? Sheesh. lol
This video was very long for sure. I was answering the question of the 6 to 7-quart debate and taking time to explain everything. I realize we live in an instant-everything world, however, some want details. Thanks for watching
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I was trying to be light-hearted about it. I get it. Thank you. I'm really only watching your Bronco videos because I'm thinking about an F-150 with the 2.7. I had heard some folks saying the rods or something were breaking and ruining the engine on the early broncos. Have you heard this? And for some reason, not on the f-150's.
@@dgunearthed7859 The issue early on (at least what has been said by people other than Ford) is the engines were dropping valves due to a bad batch. I have no idea of the cause for sure because there has not been an actual press release that I have seen stating that was the issue. Bad valves or tuning? So far my 212 Bronco which has an engine built during that time frame is fine, so time will tell. Thanks for checking out our channel!
Just bought a bronco. Look forward to do my first oil change here soon. Why are you waiting to go full synthetic? Is it just a preference?
I’ve noticed that motorcrafts full synthetic oil does not have the SN Plus API rating on the back. Would you recommend using a different oil brand or go back to the blend that has that SN plus rating?
Weird my 2018 f150 2.7 uses 6 QTs
and I been using Schaeffer Motor Oil
after the break in oil. That’s how you baby that engine. Amazon 12 qt box for $120
The bronco has a deeper oil pan for the pitch and roll ability
My 2017 2.7L Ecoboost in my fusion sport calls for 6.7 Quarts of oil. If it’s the same motor, curious as to why they call for 7 now! I mean the 2018 and up is dual port injection but does that really quantify the need for more lubricant?
The oil pan is deeper, they had to increase the sump because of the approach and departure angles for Off-roading
@@DrivenWildOutdoors makes sense. Would’ve never guessed that but our engines don’t even look the same from the top! Your charge and intake pipes are all smooth with no restrictions. Mine are jagged accordion style with bends and kinks all over.. don’t think they come to a “T” either. Stout motor so far, 67k no issues what so ever. Religious oil changes at 5k. Never done the drain plug so maybe I’ll have them do it since it’s been 5 years
Very interesting. Curious as to what type of engines you used to build?
Mostly small-block Fords, street/drag. A few boat engines and 1 season for a small short track car
Have you tried one of the aftermarket drain plugs like Ronin? Curious what you think of those as they seem to have pros and cons.
I have not. I’m OK with the original equipment for now
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I’m with you on that. You seemed to manage to not make a mess of your garage so hopefully I can do the same on my upcoming first oil change. If you do look into the aftermarket plugs at some point keep in mind they are meant to be left in so it prevents you from draining a small amount from the pan (they advertise about a 1/4 cup)
@@edernest The oil does come running out like you open the flood gates, having something with sides on it really helps, I use the reacher that I got from AutoZone and it seems to work OK but you could also use one of the deep standard oil catch tubs
so do you recommend changing the break in oil from ford (in a new vehicle) at 1600 miles rather than the recommended mileage for the first oil change?
My 2.7 Bronco has 1500 miles. I wanna do the 1st oil change. Would it damage the engine if I use Mobil full synthetic? U did mention in the vid that u will change to full after this change!
I’m switching to full synthetic at 5 k,
I have no evidence that it will hurt, however Ford recommends their synthetic blend.
Why don’t you ask your service department at your local dealership and get their opinion.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors thanks!
If you have to remove the cable from the negative post on your battery, what all do you have to rest and how do you reset it?
Noticed you did not oil the o rings on the filter canister?
I did, small amount
Excellent Video... Question... you mentioned that u left the oil drain for 48 hours using the heater you used and 7 quarts came out and you then at the end finally put 7 back in... In most cases we don't have 48 hours to let the oil drain...maybe 15 to 30 minutes? in these cases should we NOT add 7 quarts and add 6 only since there is probably around 1 quart left in there?
short answer yes. It's always a good idea to start with less oil than capacity in order to NOT overfill. Overfilling will kill your engine. You can always add more but it's more difficult to remove excess. You do sleep, so I normally put in say 5 quarts in my f-150 (capacity is 6), take a reading, then when it shows in the hash marks, start it up and let it run for about 2 minutes, then turn it off then take a look at the dip stick the next morning. Add if oil if it's showing too low. ;-)
Thanks for your video, you guys !!
Wouldn't API SP be even better oil than SN Plus ?
Is there a reason why the replacement factory filter looks different? The original appears to have rubber caps?
I know im a month later, but in case you hadnt figured it out yet, its because ford changed the design from what iv been reading
Would you still recommend the garage boss reacher?
I do use it, and really like it
@@DrivenWildOutdoors Thank you for answering!
@@dnaadubose thank you for watching our channel
A hour long video on how to change oil?
Yes, for those who want all of the details. How long did you watch?
Ppl need a hour long detail video of a oil change ? I mean you could have edited how do a oil change down to 10 min just saying and it wouldn’t lacked any the details. It’s a oil change , not a lot details to begin with.
@@Logan0o Thanks for your feedback.
What about the magnet’s??
Thanks for watching the video and for the comment, I edited that part out what I typically use the magnets for is looking for metal shavings. The only thing that I found was aluminum shavings and of course that was not magnetic. I could just see that in the filter., which is normal for the first oil change, and was less than I was expecting to see
@@DrivenWildOutdoors thanks for the reply. Really appreciate your videos
You disappointed me man. All that talk and NO FULLY SYNTHETIC OIL. Anyways great video. Keep up the good work.
I hear ya. At 5 k there will be full synthetic 😎
Motorcraft syn blend is really really good oil. It's made by Conoco Phillips and perfect for new Ford engine break-in and ring seals. After a couple of oil changes you can go to fill synthetic if you choose. I have 183k miles on my 4.6L mustang gt with no oil burning leaks or noise. I use Pennzoil platinum now. Good luck! Nice Bronco!
I would worry about getting non-OEM look - alike products, because they will almost always be made in China = less quality, sometimes, just a little smaller, cheaper plastic, etc.... Put some big cardboard under the vehicle to catch all those accident spills...
Love the channel
You video are very usefull
Maybe you can help me with small problem.
I am doing a wrap my bronco... and have small issue with the tailgate handle.... it will be helpfull to have a picture of the door lock mecanism in it original state....
It take less the 2 min to do picture of it...if you are interested to help me let me know basicaly it remove one of the black trim inside the tailgate and take a picture inside... that it... this will be very helpfull to help me figure it out how to fix it....
Fyi sorry for my bad english writing skill ... it my second language
It a very small problem .... but still my bronco it grouned until i fix it.... and tomorow if i did not received any help with pic from any channel i reach out then i will start full dissaemble of it .... i try to avoid that...
Thank for your time
I have not had to work on it before, unfortunately
Have you looked it up online? or maybe reach out to someone who installs wraps and see if they can help. Thank you for watching!
@@DrivenWildOutdoors
Basicaly i was just need it another bronco to compare to see how the handle mecanism is by default... because i already remove it ....i was reaching out to see if someone was nice and took 2 min of their time to just remove one panel on the back.... and take a picture ... that it very simple no risk we could have done that over the phone. I reach out many people in the last 3 days who have channel and do mod on their bronco.... but no sucess.. o was supprise nobody was willing to just remove the one black panel inside the tailgate and take a pic..... should be super easy especialy if you are person who do mod or any install.....very very basic just need few min....
I give up try to ask people for that picture .... i just when and remove everything disasemble and figure it out whihout having that original pic.. finaly it work i fix it.....
Thanks for your time at lease you one of the few who reply something....
Old days the block heater, heated the coolant, not the oil, is this something new, that it heats the oil????
No, it still is inserted into the coolant passage in the block, but it creates heat into the entire engine. The temp after 4 or 5 hours was 140+ degrees in a 55 degree garage.
Dude, if the supposed Old Days block heaters heated Anything, it would eventually even heat the oil ! Even back Then... What a concept !!!
You have to replace the o-rings every oil change?
This was my first oil change, I will be replacing the O-rings every time
@@DrivenWildOutdoors how do you know how long to prime the engine for?
@@CarStory I did 10 seconds
They give you o rings with the filter. So yeah replace them.
@@mr.ford-man4481 ok thanks
Ford engineers demand you take your vehicle to the dealer. They design everything difficult and time consuming. Farm equipment does not have dipsticks now. Ford is taking them away next. $12 for a oil plug? Insanity, does not matter anyway, you will not be able to buy gas in 3 months.
Maybe correct on the gas comment. Thank you for watching our channel
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I enjoy your channel, I just think Ford is taking everybody for a ride.
@@buddyrich3875 I respect your opinion, however I think they are having to deal with bs like the rest of us. I wish they would release a update to ease everyone’s fears. I can tell you I have zero concerns with my engines.
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I think the problems started is when Congress began building engines to meet their fantasy emissions.
Motor craft semisynthetic? Apparently you hate your motor .
Not for the break in period, I prefer blends until 5k miles. I have always done that on engines I built and I still do it to this day.
Don't drive over a mud puddle with your Broncos it will fry your temperature sensor.
Was this you first oil change? If so, how do you know if their was 7 quarts filled in the engine to begin with. Maybe it had close to 8 after the dealer looked at the dip stick and assumed it was low. Your video proves nothing. You didn't even check, per the video where the oil fluid level was on the dipstick prior to draining it. So we don't even know if it was showing over filled, underfilled, or normal.
Well if you notice in the video I used a 7 quart drain pan which filled it to the 7 quart level. More accurate than a dipstick
You obviously did not watch the video, read what he put at the top of the comments, or hear anything he said... He did it all perfectly and answered all questions...
You probably still drive your Bigwheel... Just go troll elsewhere, sonny boy...
You did not mention ANYTHING about the oil dipstick on the 2.7 Bronco being the wrong measuring tool !!!
How do you mean?
@@DrivenWildOutdoors Have you looked at the dipstick before and after your oil change? with 7 qts of oil in the engine the dipstick shows a level way higher than max .... its almost halfway up the ribbon turn on the dipstick! even with 6 qts it is way over max level ... check it out
@@thedesertpooch9664 I’ll try to send you something from the owners manual later today. Ours is not far off of the illustration that they show. It appears that 7 quarts in the 2.7 puts the fill line just slightly higher than the top hole above the # mark
@@DrivenWildOutdoors I have the owners manual .... best if you do a video on it .... this is a growing issue .... Ford has installed sent out the wrong oil dipsticks on the 2.7
IDK how 2.7 in f150 use 6.0qt
and Bronco uses 7qt
Anyone new to oil changes, put your oil cap in the way of the hood latch.