Less than a year ago, I bought the R7 after having seen this video and I have no regret at all. I also got the Sigma 18-35 lens and I love it! It’s not a very wide angle lens on an APSC sensor (29 to 56 mm equivalent on Canon), but for landscape photography, for instance, I could shoot a panorama with it and stitch the images afterwards. Because that lens is sharp, the resulting photo could be great if I compose properly. Panoramas are also a great way to add more pixels and emulate a full frame sensor (to some extent) as long as you can use a tripod.
currently have the r7. The r8 went on sale for $100 cheaper for what I paid for the r7. Was thinking of returning the r7 for the r8. This video solidified it for me that the r7 is a keeper. Thanks! Good work
I have the R8 and it’s incredible. The video capabilities of the R8 are insane and with the much larger sensor you can get away with the 24-105 f4L even in low light for most situations. Plus because it’s full frame you get the full focal length. It also has a crop function for both photography and video to punch in like an APSC camera
What do you think about the R7 vs R8 for videography? I'd be using a gimbal so the in body stabilization wouldn't be a deal breaker for me and the biggest part about the R8 that entices me is the larger sensor and smaller overall size.
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Depends absolutely on your usage. When you love the crop (mainly the 4k60 video crop!) you want the R7. Even a 70-200 2.8 can get an amazing pseude wildlife lens in 4k60 crop mode. If you hate that you cant record proper 4k60 uncropped (even in APS-C terms on R7!) you want the R8.
@@johnmorrisproductions thats the only issue i have with the R7 - uncropped 4k60 is „unusable“… way too soft, still extremely big files. It would be perfect for me without the bad regular 4k60
Sure, if you want a really sharp camera, that can do 4K60. Consider the BlackMagic pocket 4K or 6K. I’ve had both and they are amazing cameras, but you do lose out on a lot of the convenience features, but it does look a lot better.
1) crop sensor lenses are definitely cheaper but in no way are they better 2) the r7 is a much more versatile camera because it can use both crop sensor and full frame glass which the r8 cannot
Great video, I think it depends on the purpose of the camera is most important. I got the R8 because I film a lot in low light doing golf sim videos so I need the full frame to get closer and not lose the field of view with a crop but then also have better low light performance. Also I believe the r7 has a crop even further on 4k60fps whereas the r8 has no crop. For video these can be big differences.
Good video, The R7 is a nice camera for sure. problem with the r7- NO PRIMES or olther lenses other then kit lenses that are native, you have to adapt. In the R8 Your getting a 2500 dollar camera sensor from the R6ii for 1500 dollars, full frame. If you are going to use it for static shots, TH-cam or general photography excluding wildlife... I think the best camera for normal everyday users would actually be the R8 in my opinion.
Yes, it depends on the situation. Its difficult to recommend one over the other for everyone. The R8 has a bigger sensor, but doesn’t have a full mechanical shutter or redundant SD card slots. And the battery on the R7 is so much better than the R8. Over all it’s a toss up between the two cameras, at the end of the day it’s up to the buyer to decide which one is fits their needs the best. Thanks for the feedback!
Well, the R7 has a Canon RF mount. So you can use all RF lenses and primes without an adapter. The only issue is that the R7 has a smaller sensor so you’re not taking full advantage of the glass. This results in the lens being a lot more expensive and larger than you need to be, but generally full frame glass is better than crop sensor glass. As well as working on all platforms. Hope that helps, thanks for the comment!
Don't know why so many folks are so scared of adapting EF glass. They all work seamlessly with a $99.00 adapter that weighs next to nothing. EF glass can be had for less money, sometimes a lot less money, especially if you buy used. Full lines of Sigma, Tamron and other third party makers are also available.
Yes! I prefer to use the EF glass from Sigma. Personally, I think it is fine. Some people have had issues in the past focusing (especially with third-party adapters). Also because the sensor is further away from the glass it can be a little softer and your back focus changes slightly. At the end of the day, it’s up to the user, I have both EF and RF lenses. Generally, you can get better EF lenses than RF lenses but you have to adapt. If you’re comfortable using the adapter, go for it!
@@johnmorrisproductions Thanks so much John, will definitely go for it once it launches. Do you know how long it will last (battery life i.e. how many hours?).
Not specifically, it should be around 2 hours. I would recommend getting 2-3 batteries. If you want to help support the channel you can buy the camera through the Amazon affiliate links in the video description. It doesn’t cost you anything and it really helps the channel! Thanks for commenting and if you have any questions feel free to ask! Thanks!
@@johnmorrisproductions I'm saving money for buying the same, will definitely go through your affiliate link and buy so that I can contribute to your channel which by the way is really great and so informative
John i'm primarly a wedding 2nd shooter. I want to migrate to the R system coming from a Nikon d750. R8 is what i want but i know my budget is trouble. so The Sigma 18-35 + R7 combo is a go to camera for a photographer who is migrating but wants to maintain quality
@@johnmorrisproductions thanks for the advice and the video. I guess I will go for the R7 then. Insure I'm properly migrated to the Canon R system and then in the future get the R8 as main body and make R7 the backup and field shooting camera.
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I’m an enthusiast and mainly shoot travel, landscape, and wildlife. I’m looking between these two cameras since they’re a little more in my price range than the r6 ii. Which do you suggest?
But how well (if at all?!) does IBIS and/or lens stabiliser work with speed boosters? Im highly interested in speedboosters for the Sigma 150-600C and some full frame prime lenses, but i guess IBIS wont work as intended?
I love your work man. I also love to argue, lol. Isn’t the biggest perk of a crop frame camera the reach, which you lose with a speed booster. I’ve never used one just read about them. They don’t help with low light noise do they, except by allowing a lower aperture?
@BrentTouchstone a speed booster basically takes the full frame coverage of a lens and squeezes it down to APS-C, and that basically allows for the same amount of light to hit the sensor.
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They both use RF lens mounts, don't they? So you could use the RF-S (APS-C size) lenses on the R8, right? I also don't think there are a lot of RF-S lenses out there.
@@johnmorrisproductions Gotcha. You could get a similar image to the R7 with an RF-S lens, so for the budget-sensitive, the R8 might make sense for various reasons, even using an RF-S lens (e.g. to get uncompromised 4k60 with a 1.6X crop, instead of uncompromised 4k60 with the equivalent of a full-frame 3X crop).
@@sou_usavlogs Yeah if you're willing to deal with two different batteries. I like the vert grips but not to compensate for a worse battery on a Canon fullframe.
I have an R8 and use it for videography, paring it with a V mount battery to supply power to my monitor and camera, never overheats, never ran out of battery. Solution is even cheaper than having multiple spare batteries.
For someone just getting in to photography, primarilly shooting volleyball both indoor and beach, what would you recommend of these two? Some video for highlights.
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The lower the number the better the camera is an incorrect over-simplification. All of the different cameras have specific features that are clearly best for certain situations and certain photographers. That would make that camera better than the others for that photographer and his needs regardless of its number.
Yes you are correct, but the point was to simplify. I agree that spastic cameras are better for situations. There’s so much that goes into a cameras performance, but generally for the Canon R cameras. The lower the number the better. For example, the R5 is better in a lot of ways than the R6. And the R3 is better than the R5 is other ways. The best photo camera is the R3 The best video camera is the R5/R5c I hope that helps clear up some confusion, thanks for the comment!
@@johnmorrisproductions I would have said otherwise: Best photo/hybride camera: R5 (resolution, so the sharp RF glass makes sense also not too bad in video) Best video/photo camera: R3 ( Its just FAST, 4k120, perfect 4k60 and up to 6k60,... its superior to the slower readout on R5 for video) Best video: R5C (if all the stuff is really needed at all) I mean, is 8k raw that needed to put the R5 in first place for video? Its good, but 4K is already good enough for a "huge" crop, barely anyone really need "8k raw footage", i would therefor prefer higher DR and faster sensors/readout. 6k60 is also something interesting and at least for my use case definitely a lot preferable over 8k30.
that sigma lens (and other sigma lenses) needs a converter to be used on an eos R7 camera. I am not sure if the auto focus capability will be as good in that case.
The Canon R7 gets its Subject Detection Auto Focus from the R3. While the R8 gets it's Subject Detection Auto Focus from the R6 Mark 2... So does that give the R8 an advantage in the Auto Focus System?
That’s good to know, after filming that review I purchased the R8. So far I haven’t noticed a real world difference between the auto focus in the two cameras. Thanks for the comment though, something I will definitely look into in the future!
theoretically the R6 II/R8 autofocus is better (faster readout), while the R7s autofocus system is from the R3, the Sensor is obviously not from the R3, its a much slower sensor (i think 32ms vs 14ms on the R6 II/R8?) Biggest impact on autofocus speed comes from the readout speed on the sensor where the R7 lags behind noticable.
The R8 is probably the better option. The larger sensor is really the biggest difference, because you’re mostly doing video it is going to be the better option. You’re basically getting the Canon EOS R6 II sensor for $700 less. Just make sure to get some extra batteries. If you have anymore questions, please let me know. And if you found this helpful, please consider using my Amazon affiliate links. It doesn’t cost you anything and really helps the channel out. Thanks!
Yes, you are correct, of course. You are right about everything. BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU! - Sigma 18-35 + EF/RF adapter = 810 + 110 = 920 g and 121 + 24 = 145 mm. And you get < 2x zoom! - Do you always shoot at maximum aperture? I think you often have to close, especially for videos. This is where sensor size matters. - Smartphones are coming, and M43 can already feel their hot breath on their necks. APS-C will be next... - 1500USD for APS-C camera would be tolerable ... if there wasn't a full frame for the same wallet.
i have the 75-300mm ef lens and the 50 mm ef 1.8 lens , im planning to buy the r8, slso il be getting some wide lense like a 16mm 2.8 lens , will there be a big crop or any crop for these lenses (in the future il swap the ef to an rf 50mm 1.8 lens)?? My main goal is filming and colorgrading
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On the R7, I believe the shutter comes down and protects the sensor when you remove the lens. On the R8, the sensor is left wide open to the elements. I like the idea of the extra sensor protection with the R7. Not sure how important that is to people?
What I've read is that the shutter mechanism is actually more fragile and difficult (expensive) to repair than the sensor. The sensor can take elements just fine it's just that it might get dust on it and you would need to clean it.
Yes, the sensor itself is pretty durable. But generally it’s an advantage to have a mechanical shutter that covers the sensor at shut down because it keeps dust off of it when swapping lenses.
Hey! I'm thinking about getting my first Interchangable-Lens-Camera and im mostly gonna use it for photography, landscape photography to be exact, i dont think i'll need IBIS because i have quite steady hands, which camera should i get? Also I'm gonna be traveling with it so i really want it to be small and light.
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No you don’t, you can just crank up your shutter speed to 1/8000th of a second. I’ve used them before, they’re really only necessary if you want to do video with your aperture really wide-open.
I don't understand how come one card is not enough! How does a card fail, are people buying cheap cards?! Is the card usage somehow different than microSD card? I have never had a microSD card failure in my life.
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Great video! I think the r8 is kinda a weird camera, and is pretty much just for a person that wants full frame, for whatever reason, and doesn’t have the money for a true full frame camera.
It does, but if you use a speed booster on the R7 it acts like a full frame sensor with a higher megapixel count. And APC-S glass is generally cheaper. Both cameras are great, the best camera for you might be different than someone else. Thanks for the comment!
I will take a full-frame sensor over a crop sensor every day. The low light performance is the main reason. Plus, something he fails to mention, an EF to RF adapter will allow you to get great lenses much cheaper. You are doing a review without owning the other camera is a bit wrong. The R7 and R8 are not what I would consider a professional camera. They are the next step, but not pro-level. Any pro will use a R5, R6, or R3 with top-notch L-series glass. An inexpensive lens is that way for a reason. It will not give you the performance of Canon L series glass.
Well I guess we can agree to disagree. The R7 is used by professionals for sure. Pros don’t all do low light photography. Some pros even use micro four third cameras. It depends what you need it for. As far as the Sigma 18-35 mm lens he mentioned, it is as good a lens as any Canon L series lens and it does require the adapter because it is an EF lens. Canon L series lenses are very expensive. They are good for sure but you can find lenses of the same quality for a lot cheaper.
You need to upgrade to a medium format if you shoot professional , I wouldn't shoot full frame for my personal photos. The difference between medium and full frame is night and day, medium is much better
Does it matter much? It was also proven that the R7 has better ISO handling than the EOS RP (26MP FF) has, yet the end result is very similar. The R7 also has not that bad DR, i mean it could be better, but in video its really great for its price.
the sigma 18-35 would be equivalent to 28-56 on a full frame, so its not comparable to the canon 15-35. also the aperture of 1.8 on apsc is equivalent to a full frame 2.8 depth of field. so the sigma is smaller because its not very wide angle. so its NOT an advantage for the r7. since youre comparing different focal lengths.
the r7 and r8 are both equally priced. so the r7 is not winning on price. and not as a total package either, if you compare equivalent focal lengths and aperture. its winning in megapixel and losing in lower light etc
I’m sorry if that’s your opinion, the R8 is great but the only advantage is the full frame sensor. The R7 has some more flexible features. Hope that helps!
@@johnmorrisproductions I have already read, the r8 is a budget camera at the price of a top crop. There is not even a matrix stub in it, a second card and other buns from r7. who needs this under-camera
The R8 is definitely missing some features, but the full frame sensor is a huge advantage. If paired with good glass, the R8 looks better than the R7 in most situations. At the end of the day the R6II is the best option because it has the features from both cameras.
@@johnmorrisproductions a full frame is not a panacea, not everyone needs it. And in fact R8 is an updated RP R6 II costs 1.5 times more expensive than R7. And so yes, R6 topchik
One reason alone 16mm F2.8RF for getting R8. There had never been an ultrawide af lens so small and compact yet offering F2.8. with R7, if you need 16mm ff fov, you are doomed.
You have literally no idea what you are talking about. There are no lenses for the r7 that are any good there is a whole range of lenses for full frame r8.
Well, the Sigma 18-35 is a fantastic lens. There is a huge amount of Super-35 lenses that would be awesome for the R7! And Full-Frame does work great as well.
Less than a year ago, I bought the R7 after having seen this video and I have no regret at all. I also got the Sigma 18-35 lens and I love it! It’s not a very wide angle lens on an APSC sensor (29 to 56 mm equivalent on Canon), but for landscape photography, for instance, I could shoot a panorama with it and stitch the images afterwards. Because that lens is sharp, the resulting photo could be great if I compose properly. Panoramas are also a great way to add more pixels and emulate a full frame sensor (to some extent) as long as you can use a tripod.
That’s awesome!
currently have the r7. The r8 went on sale for $100 cheaper for what I paid for the r7. Was thinking of returning the r7 for the r8. This video solidified it for me that the r7 is a keeper. Thanks! Good work
Awesome!! Thanks!
I have the R8 and it’s incredible. The video capabilities of the R8 are insane and with the much larger sensor you can get away with the 24-105 f4L even in low light for most situations. Plus because it’s full frame you get the full focal length. It also has a crop function for both photography and video to punch in like an APSC camera
Hi. Can I use the STM version of the same lens you use for my R8?
@@benedictmoreno4729 you can but the stm model doesn’t have a constant aperture like the F4L model and won’t be as good in low light
Yep!
I pre ordered the r8 to use it for travel instead of bringing my r5. The r5 will be used for professional work while having the r8 as a back up
Great!
What do you think about the R7 vs R8 for videography? I'd be using a gimbal so the in body stabilization wouldn't be a deal breaker for me and the biggest part about the R8 that entices me is the larger sensor and smaller overall size.
For video, the R8 is probably the best option if you can stabilize it. Also the battery is not as good so make sure to get at least 3 batteries.
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Depends absolutely on your usage.
When you love the crop (mainly the 4k60 video crop!) you want the R7. Even a 70-200 2.8 can get an amazing pseude wildlife lens in 4k60 crop mode.
If you hate that you cant record proper 4k60 uncropped (even in APS-C terms on R7!) you want the R8.
Yes, the 4K 60 crop is something to consider.
@@johnmorrisproductions thats the only issue i have with the R7 - uncropped 4k60 is „unusable“… way too soft, still extremely big files.
It would be perfect for me without the bad regular 4k60
Sure, if you want a really sharp camera, that can do 4K60. Consider the BlackMagic pocket 4K or 6K. I’ve had both and they are amazing cameras, but you do lose out on a lot of the convenience features, but it does look a lot better.
1) crop sensor lenses are definitely cheaper but in no way are they better 2) the r7 is a much more versatile camera because it can use both crop sensor and full frame glass which the r8 cannot
Great video, I think it depends on the purpose of the camera is most important. I got the R8 because I film a lot in low light doing golf sim videos so I need the full frame to get closer and not lose the field of view with a crop but then also have better low light performance. Also I believe the r7 has a crop even further on 4k60fps whereas the r8 has no crop. For video these can be big differences.
Yes! It all depends on the situation. I’ve gone through all the modes and haven’t noticed a crop unless you want to add one.
@@johnmorrisproductions pretty sure when you go from 4K 24 to 4K 60 fps in the r7 you’ll add a crop factor
@@johnmorrisproductions just like the R10, I had that camera before the R8. The crop was the main reason I didn’t choose the r7
I will have to doublecheck that.
@@johnmorrisproductions checked for you 😁 it had 1.8x crop on top of the 1.6x from apsc
Thanks for the review! Im currently trying to decide between the two
Well, what’s your main use case?
Good video, The R7 is a nice camera for sure. problem with the r7- NO PRIMES or olther lenses other then kit lenses that are native, you have to adapt. In the R8 Your getting a 2500 dollar camera sensor from the R6ii for 1500 dollars, full frame. If you are going to use it for static shots, TH-cam or general photography excluding wildlife... I think the best camera for normal everyday users would actually be the R8 in my opinion.
Yes, it depends on the situation. Its difficult to recommend one over the other for everyone. The R8 has a bigger sensor, but doesn’t have a full mechanical shutter or redundant SD card slots. And the battery on the R7 is so much better than the R8.
Over all it’s a toss up between the two cameras, at the end of the day it’s up to the buyer to decide which one is fits their needs the best.
Thanks for the feedback!
What do you mean... All the RF primes are available for R7, and they are small enough
Well, the R7 has a Canon RF mount. So you can use all RF lenses and primes without an adapter. The only issue is that the R7 has a smaller sensor so you’re not taking full advantage of the glass. This results in the lens being a lot more expensive and larger than you need to be, but generally full frame glass is better than crop sensor glass. As well as working on all platforms.
Hope that helps, thanks for the comment!
Don't know why so many folks are so scared of adapting EF glass. They all work seamlessly with a $99.00 adapter that weighs next to nothing. EF glass can be had for less money, sometimes a lot less money, especially if you buy used. Full lines of Sigma, Tamron and other third party makers are also available.
Yes! I prefer to use the EF glass from Sigma. Personally, I think it is fine. Some people have had issues in the past focusing (especially with third-party adapters). Also because the sensor is further away from the glass it can be a little softer and your back focus changes slightly.
At the end of the day, it’s up to the user, I have both EF and RF lenses. Generally, you can get better EF lenses than RF lenses but you have to adapt. If you’re comfortable using the adapter, go for it!
Which one you would recommend btw the r7 and r8, main purpose is portrait and low light photography..
I would recommend the R8
It’s sensor is much larger and performs a lot better in low light.
@@johnmorrisproductions Thanks so much John, will definitely go for it once it launches. Do you know how long it will last (battery life i.e. how many hours?).
Not specifically, it should be around 2 hours. I would recommend getting 2-3 batteries.
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@@johnmorrisproductions I'm saving money for buying the same, will definitely go through your affiliate link and buy so that I can contribute to your channel which by the way is really great and so informative
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John i'm primarly a wedding 2nd shooter. I want to migrate to the R system coming from a Nikon d750. R8 is what i want but i know my budget is trouble. so The Sigma 18-35 + R7 combo is a go to camera for a photographer who is migrating but wants to maintain quality
Yes, that combo is great. And you get some of the other benefits of the R7 like redundant SD cards and a better battery.
@@johnmorrisproductions thanks for the advice and the video. I guess I will go for the R7 then. Insure I'm properly migrated to the Canon R system and then in the future get the R8 as main body and make R7 the backup and field shooting camera.
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I’m an enthusiast and mainly shoot travel, landscape, and wildlife. I’m looking between these two cameras since they’re a little more in my price range than the r6 ii. Which do you suggest?
I would go with the R8, just make sure to get some extra batteries.
The other perk to the R7 is the ability to use speed boosters with full frame EF mount glass
Yes, definitely.
But how well (if at all?!) does IBIS and/or lens stabiliser work with speed boosters?
Im highly interested in speedboosters for the Sigma 150-600C and some full frame prime lenses, but i guess IBIS wont work as intended?
That’s a great question, I haven’t thought about that before. Something to look into!
I love your work man. I also love to argue, lol. Isn’t the biggest perk of a crop frame camera the reach, which you lose with a speed booster. I’ve never used one just read about them. They don’t help with low light noise do they, except by allowing a lower aperture?
@BrentTouchstone a speed booster basically takes the full frame coverage of a lens and squeezes it down to APS-C, and that basically allows for the same amount of light to hit the sensor.
QUESTION: I'm currently using a Canon 77D with a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 lens and am looking to upgrade to a Canon mirrorless body within a budget of $1000-$1500. I mainly want to use it for event (Corporate/Institutional) Photography in conferences, meetings, seminars, outdoor activities, and some video interviews (Corporate).
Which camera model would you recommend that would pair well with my existing lens and provide a significant upgrade in terms of features, performance and budget? Thanks!
The R7 would be awesome!
How are you using Sigma lenses on these? I thought 3rd party lenses aren't available yet for the R series....
Easy! You can use a Canon adapter, there should be a link in the video description!
They both use RF lens mounts, don't they?
So you could use the RF-S (APS-C size) lenses on the R8, right?
I also don't think there are a lot of RF-S lenses out there.
You could use RF-S glass on the R8, but it wouldn’t cover the full sensor so you would lose out on the full frame advantage.
@@johnmorrisproductions Gotcha.
You could get a similar image to the R7 with an RF-S lens, so for the budget-sensitive, the R8 might make sense for various reasons, even using an RF-S lens (e.g. to get uncompromised 4k60 with a 1.6X crop, instead of uncompromised 4k60 with the equivalent of a full-frame 3X crop).
duude the editing sequence at 0:19 goes so hard
Is that good or bad?
@@johnmorrisproductions It rocks! It's awesome! :)
Thanks!
Smaller battery is an instant dealbreaker. Simple as that.
Did you hear about battery grip?
@@sou_usavlogs Yeah if you're willing to deal with two different batteries. I like the vert grips but not to compensate for a worse battery on a Canon fullframe.
I have an R8 and use it for videography, paring it with a V mount battery to supply power to my monitor and camera, never overheats, never ran out of battery. Solution is even cheaper than having multiple spare batteries.
For someone just getting in to photography, primarilly shooting volleyball both indoor and beach, what would you recommend of these two? Some video for highlights.
Sure! First, what is your total budget?$1500-$2000 / $2000-$3000
@@johnmorrisproductions $2000 for camera kit and then probably going to get a Tameron 70-200 2.8 w/ rf adapter just to get me started.
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I love your reviews. All the info I need to know about these two cameras.
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The lower the number the better the camera is an incorrect over-simplification. All of the different cameras have specific features that are clearly best for certain situations and certain photographers. That would make that camera better than the others for that photographer and his needs regardless of its number.
Yes you are correct, but the point was to simplify. I agree that spastic cameras are better for situations. There’s so much that goes into a cameras performance, but generally for the Canon R cameras. The lower the number the better.
For example, the R5 is better in a lot of ways than the R6. And the R3 is better than the R5 is other ways.
The best photo camera is the R3
The best video camera is the R5/R5c
I hope that helps clear up some confusion, thanks for the comment!
@@johnmorrisproductions I would have said otherwise:
Best photo/hybride camera: R5 (resolution, so the sharp RF glass makes sense also not too bad in video)
Best video/photo camera: R3 ( Its just FAST, 4k120, perfect 4k60 and up to 6k60,... its superior to the slower readout on R5 for video)
Best video: R5C (if all the stuff is really needed at all)
I mean, is 8k raw that needed to put the R5 in first place for video? Its good, but 4K is already good enough for a "huge" crop, barely anyone really need "8k raw footage", i would therefor prefer higher DR and faster sensors/readout. 6k60 is also something interesting and at least for my use case definitely a lot preferable over 8k30.
that sigma lens (and other sigma lenses) needs a converter to be used on an eos R7 camera. I am not sure if the auto focus capability will be as good in that case.
Yes, you need an adapter. For my setup it works great, AF works perfectly!
The Canon R7 gets its Subject Detection Auto Focus from the R3. While the R8 gets it's Subject Detection Auto Focus from the R6 Mark 2... So does that give the R8 an advantage in the Auto Focus System?
That’s good to know, after filming that review I purchased the R8. So far I haven’t noticed a real world difference between the auto focus in the two cameras. Thanks for the comment though, something I will definitely look into in the future!
theoretically the R6 II/R8 autofocus is better (faster readout), while the R7s autofocus system is from the R3, the Sensor is obviously not from the R3, its a much slower sensor (i think 32ms vs 14ms on the R6 II/R8?)
Biggest impact on autofocus speed comes from the readout speed on the sensor where the R7 lags behind noticable.
which one is better for making pop music videos? initially I wanted the panasonic s5ii but it is too expensive for me.
The R8 is probably the better option. The larger sensor is really the biggest difference, because you’re mostly doing video it is going to be the better option. You’re basically getting the Canon EOS R6 II sensor for $700 less.
Just make sure to get some extra batteries.
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Yes, you are correct, of course. You are right about everything. BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU!
- Sigma 18-35 + EF/RF adapter = 810 + 110 = 920 g and 121 + 24 = 145 mm. And you get < 2x zoom!
- Do you always shoot at maximum aperture? I think you often have to close, especially for videos. This is where sensor size matters.
- Smartphones are coming, and M43 can already feel their hot breath on their necks. APS-C will be next...
- 1500USD for APS-C camera would be tolerable ... if there wasn't a full frame for the same wallet.
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Great review! Really helpful info 👍
Thank you!
Just ordered an R7….ive got 4 canon EF crop sensor lenses from my t7i
That’s awesome!
i have the 75-300mm ef lens and the 50 mm ef 1.8 lens , im planning to buy the r8, slso il be getting some wide lense like a 16mm 2.8 lens , will there be a big crop or any crop for these lenses (in the future il swap the ef to an rf 50mm 1.8 lens)??
My main goal is filming and colorgrading
Because the R8 is a full frame camera there’s no crop, if you were to use a cropped lens, it would automatically punch in on the sensor to fill the entire frame. If you don’t care about auto focus, the Blackmagic Pocket Cameras are so much better for video.
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On the R7, I believe the shutter comes down and protects the sensor when you remove the lens. On the R8, the sensor is left wide open to the elements. I like the idea of the extra sensor protection with the R7. Not sure how important that is to people?
Yes, it protects the sensor.
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What I've read is that the shutter mechanism is actually more fragile and difficult (expensive) to repair than the sensor. The sensor can take elements just fine it's just that it might get dust on it and you would need to clean it.
Yes, the sensor itself is pretty durable. But generally it’s an advantage to have a mechanical shutter that covers the sensor at shut down because it keeps dust off of it when swapping lenses.
There is a trick to close the shutter - start manual sensor cleaning and turn the camera off when the shutter closes.
I have an R8 but could not decide what lens to buy. If I would have 1 lens for travel amd landscape photography, what do you recommend?
That’s a great question! What’s your price range?
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Hey! I'm thinking about getting my first Interchangable-Lens-Camera and im mostly gonna use it for photography, landscape photography to be exact, i dont think i'll need IBIS because i have quite steady hands, which camera should i get? Also I'm gonna be traveling with it so i really want it to be small and light.
Great! I would recommend the canon R7 or R8 the R8 has a bigger sensor which is an advantage. But lenses can be more expensive so that’s something to consider. Because you’re doing mostly landscapes rolling shutter issue isn’t a problem so I would probably recommend getting the R8.
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@@johnmorrisproductions ah, thanks a lot!
Happy to help!
@@johnmorrisproductions oh, and one more follor up question, do i need a VND for regular photography (not long exposure)
No you don’t, you can just crank up your shutter speed to 1/8000th of a second.
I’ve used them before, they’re really only necessary if you want to do video with your aperture really wide-open.
Which one has best 1080p?
That’s a great question! My first reaction would be the R8, but I’m actually going to make a video about this! Thanks for the question!
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I don't understand how come one card is not enough! How does a card fail, are people buying cheap cards?! Is the card usage somehow different than microSD card? I have never had a microSD card failure in my life.
Well, if you’re doing weddings, or other work that can’t be repeated. Backups are really important to at least have the option.
Any video comparisons ?
Yes, there are a variety of comparisons on the channel!
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Best review.🙏
Thank you!
What do you think of the Sigma 50-100mm lens with the Canon R7 camera?
I don’t have that lens, but I think it should work well with the R7, as it is basically just a 18-35 with a different focal range.
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Sigma 50-100 works fantastic with my M50
R7 is even a better camera
Yes!
Does the R7 have an option for a battery grip?
I do not believe so, you can get a external V-mount battery and a dummy battery if you want the battery life extended.
So r7 is good for heavy potrait and sport photography over r8
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Yes, especially for sport photography because of the full mechanical shutter, and the faster frame rate.
@@johnmorrisproductions for potrait and wedding ?
Yes, I would recommend the R7 for that.
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Great video! I think the r8 is kinda a weird camera, and is pretty much just for a person that wants full frame, for whatever reason, and doesn’t have the money for a true full frame camera.
Yes, I agree! Overall the R7 is going to be the better option.
Thanks for commenting!
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Full frame has a ton of advantages over apsc.
It does, but if you use a speed booster on the R7 it acts like a full frame sensor with a higher megapixel count. And APC-S glass is generally cheaper.
Both cameras are great, the best camera for you might be different than someone else.
Thanks for the comment!
I will take a full-frame sensor over a crop sensor every day. The low light performance is the main reason. Plus, something he fails to mention, an EF to RF adapter will allow you to get great lenses much cheaper. You are doing a review without owning the other camera is a bit wrong. The R7 and R8 are not what I would consider a professional camera. They are the next step, but not pro-level. Any pro will use a R5, R6, or R3 with top-notch L-series glass. An inexpensive lens is that way for a reason. It will not give you the performance of Canon L series glass.
Well, I do own the Camera now. And I can say that it is a professional camera as far as the image quality is concerned.
Well I guess we can agree to disagree. The R7 is used by professionals for sure. Pros don’t all do low light photography. Some pros even use micro four third cameras. It depends what you need it for. As far as the Sigma 18-35 mm lens he mentioned, it is as good a lens as any Canon L series lens and it does require the adapter because it is an EF lens. Canon L series lenses are very expensive. They are good for sure but you can find lenses of the same quality for a lot cheaper.
@jremi Yeah, I could see that.
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Well, it’s expensive to buy equipment.
What about AF?
It’s great!
Should I take Fuji xt4 or r7?
I would go with the R7. 🙂
@@johnmorrisproductions reason?
Sure! The R7 has a higher Megapixel sensor, and its battery should last a lot longer. As well as having better auto focus.
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@@johnmorrisproductions what if r7 & r8 , focusing on both, photography & videography
You need to upgrade to a medium format if you shoot professional , I wouldn't shoot full frame for my personal photos. The difference between medium and full frame is night and day, medium is much better
Yes, but it’s very expensive. The new Black Magic 6K is large format.
It has been proven that R6 mark 2 ( same sensor as r8) actually has same if not slightly worse dynamic range then r7
That’s good to know, thanks for the comment!
Does it matter much?
It was also proven that the R7 has better ISO handling than the EOS RP (26MP FF) has, yet the end result is very similar.
The R7 also has not that bad DR, i mean it could be better, but in video its really great for its price.
the sigma 18-35 would be equivalent to 28-56 on a full frame, so its not comparable to the canon 15-35. also the aperture of 1.8 on apsc is equivalent to a full frame 2.8 depth of field. so the sigma is smaller because its not very wide angle. so its NOT an advantage for the r7. since youre comparing different focal lengths.
That makes sense, Thanks for the comment!
Until you use a speed booster
Yes, then the R7 would be better because of the stabilization and higher Megapixel count.
the r7 and r8 are both equally priced. so the r7 is not winning on price. and not as a total package either, if you compare equivalent focal lengths and aperture. its winning in megapixel and losing in lower light etc
Yes, you can get cheaper APS-C Glass
Dude trashed the r8. No talk about pro only cons
I’m sorry if that’s your opinion, the R8 is great but the only advantage is the full frame sensor. The R7 has some more flexible features.
Hope that helps!
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So R7 for bird lovers?
Absolutely! Since then, I purchased the R8 and I have been impressed with it to.
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I choose r8 because r7 has too many childhood issues😢😂
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R7 The best
Well it depends on the situation, I just got the R8 and it is pretty good! You can check out the review on the channel!
@@johnmorrisproductions I have already read, the r8 is a budget camera at the price of a top crop. There is not even a matrix stub in it, a second card and other buns from r7. who needs this under-camera
The R8 is definitely missing some features, but the full frame sensor is a huge advantage. If paired with good glass, the R8 looks better than the R7 in most situations.
At the end of the day the R6II is the best option because it has the features from both cameras.
@@johnmorrisproductions a full frame is not a panacea, not everyone needs it. And in fact R8 is an updated RP
R6 II costs 1.5 times more expensive than R7. And so yes, R6 topchik
Yes.
R7 and R8 price same, which one best.
Well, it depends. What are you using it for?
One reason alone 16mm F2.8RF for getting R8. There had never been an ultrawide af lens so small and compact yet offering F2.8. with R7, if you need 16mm ff fov, you are doomed.
Yes, you would need a 10mm lens on the R7.
@@johnmorrisproductions but there is no option available native or adapted for a bright, af, compact inexpensive ultra wide for RF ApsC system
Yes! I agree! The full frame sensor on the R8 is a huge advantage!
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What do you mean?
You have literally no idea what you are talking about. There are no lenses for the r7 that are any good there is a whole range of lenses for full frame r8.
Well, the Sigma 18-35 is a fantastic lens. There is a huge amount of Super-35 lenses that would be awesome for the R7! And Full-Frame does work great as well.