Can't Decide Between Canon R7 and R8?
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Thank you so much Vic! Very informative! Good luck!
Thanks for the comment!!
Great video....thanks for taking the time to put this together!
Thanks for the comment!
I appreciate the view and the kind words.
A nice comparison between the two. One comment - the RF-S 18-150 is many things, but “trash” is not one of them. The combination of size, weight, and range make it a great option for situations where a prime won’t cut it. That and the adapted EF-S 17-55 2.8 are my go to zooms for my R7
Thanks for the comment!
And I appreciate your feedback. I agree the 17-55 2.8 is a great fixed aperture lens.
I am critical of the variable aperture zoom kit lenses because it's my opinion that Canon can do better with Kit lenses.
I sometimes wonder if anyone would choose to buy a kit lens on it's own.
Thanks again for commenting!
So if I buy the R7 camera, is the RF-S 18-150mm lens suitable for this camera because the zoom is very large or is there another lens with the same one that is better?
I wouldn't recommend anyone spend the money on any kit lens.
They are not very good optically. Particularly because of the variable zoom. I prefer fixed focal lengths and fixed apertures if I need a zoom.
@@TMVVisualMedia You're right, but it's always better to take a picture than not to take one. What do you think about 24-240 for travel with the Canon R8? And why didn't you recommend 16mm for a full frame camera?
@ingwarmagn3393, thanks for the question.
I haven't used the 24 to 240 yet. But I don't typically recommend variable aperture lenses. I'm sure it's great to get started with but you will have a really high minimum aperture at 240. And that's not ideal.
As for the 16mm it's a neat little lens. I use it from time to time. But on a full frame camera there is a lot of distortion. I think it's more usable on the crop sensor. It's more like a 24mm on the R7.
Let me know if you have any more questions. Happy to help!
I use two full-frame cams and have an R7 too. I would recommend the Canon R7 over the R8 7 days a week. Full frame is not some magical elixir that will make you're content amazing. As a professional, super 35 sized sensors are more than adequate and in practice, you will rarely be left wanting. But what is a necessity for aspiring creatives is redundancy. Solo creators will benefit from having dual memory card slots and an IBIS system. Not to mention it also has 10-bit video, CLOG3 and cinema gamut. I know the R8 has these things too but it doesn't mean much when your memory card dies mid shoot.
Thanks for your input. Very valuable insight.
Would you consider trading in your two full frame cameras for two APSC sensor cameras?
I agree the R7 is a fine machine. But it's my opinion that the R8 full-frame camera is a great way to start.
Thanks again for commenting!
@@TMVVisualMedia I would rarely choose a camera based purely on sensor size. When making a purchasing decision I have a list of must haves, dual memory card slots, 10-bit video, 20mp+, LOG profiles and at least 60p. I then weigh those against the type of work I am doing and my budget. I was formerly shooting weddings in the gloomy UK winter so I moved from micro four thirds to full frame for the extra light gathering. Before that I shot a GH4/ GH5s for a shopping TV channel, in very controlled conditions. But my job as a filmmaker isn't to own the biggest sensor, it's to find the shot and as a small business owner I have to do that within a budget. I think people have become a bit too obessed with the kit instead of the art/ business. It's almost impossible to purchase a bad camera these days, whatever you get you just have to make it work.
Wonderfully said!
May I know your social media handles? I would like to see your work.
Thanks again for all the insight. Your words my add value to many beginner creators. Including myself.
You're putting too much emphasis on the single card slot. For a pro, OK, it would be unbelievable to say to his customers that he lost all the pictures of the wedding ! But most people won't have any issue in their entire life with corrupted card on their camera, so should it be number ONE killer argument for non pro. OK one day, they will MAYBE lost some pictures of the day, ok, bad, but what about all the better pictures they will do on the other days
Honestly, if you only have one camera and you are not a pro, choose the R7 if you put more emphasis on wildlife, for the extra reach of the cropped sensor, and choose the R8 if you put more emphasis on portraits , landscape or astro photographie for example.....
Great info! Thanks for the feedback.
Good recommendations. I shot a wedding with an R7. I used a 16mm, rf35mm and a Sigma 40mm adapted. The lightest kit I ever used. I got great results. Normally I shot with an R6. But it was in repair for a loose hot shoe issue for over a month. When you need some $$ you have to adapt. I have the R8 on order. I only have one rf L lens 24-70mm. Lastly you will need some Lightroom work using full frame lens with the R7 because of vignette. Photography is art with no hard rules. However your use cases are on point
Wow! Thanks for that comment. I was really trying to get in the head of the potential user while researching this video.
I'm still upset a little bit with Canon for adding this sort of confusion to the marketplace.
Where can I find your work?
Side note, if anyone doesn't way to pay for Adobe products, Darktable is a free open source alternative to Lightroom that has good lens correction, and I love Kdenlive for editing, which also has a decent stabilize feature.
I have the R that I used for a couple weddings, and I was switching between the kit lens 24-105 L, and I think I had borrowed my dad's 70-200 which was better for low light (but much heavier). I managed to snag a Sigma 50mm used, and I'd love to use that more (on the R, it looked the same as the Canon 50mm 1.2, but the Sigma is 1.4), so I'm thinking of getting the R7, and maybe put the 24-105 on that. Last time I had a cropped camera, it was the 60D which I had gotten in high school and used for many yearbook photos, and the kit lens on that (which sucked) was 18-135. The 24-105 is a pretty close L series version that should give that similar feel, and then I can use the 50 on my full frame one. I'd honestly recommend a lot of Sigma's lenses and getting an EF to RF adapter (which came with some R kits, or sold separately). I like browsing the used section of my local store to see what EF lenses people are getting rid of as they upgrade to RF. For most use cases, it's not a big difference between them.
Thanks for the comment!
Great video! I’m interested in buying a full frame camera in the near future, I’m an amatour getting into photography 😅 hope to se more videos like this in The future 😊
That's awesome! Thanks for the support.
Let me know if you have any specific questions. Happy to help. 🤓
Great videos I’m leaning to the R8. What lense do you recommend for product photography?
That's a great question. Depending on the types of products I would recommend the RF 85mm f2. That's a great lens to get started with that won't break the bank. I have a couple video 🎥 about the lens and several product photography videos.
Thanks for the question! 👍
Happy to see a creator able to answer their comments! So as I'm mainly a photographer, would you suggest the R7 over the R8? I know that the R7 has more features, but does the R8's full-frame sensor outweigh all of that in your opinion? I've been shooting on a 5Dmkiii for the past 4 years and am looking to either upgrade or buy a second camera. Hope to hear your thoughts!!
Thanks for the question!
I do think that the full frame out weighs the pro-level features of the R7.
There is a big but coming...
BUT...
I think the R8 is suitable for beginners. I think that an experienced photographer will outgrow the system very quickly.
Its difficult to give a definitive answer.
But the R8 wins in my book. Have you considered the original R6. Its on sale.
Let me know if you have any more questions. Happy to help.
Thanks for sharing great to hear your thoughts and findings- ive been holding back on updating my APSC Canon 700D for 8 years squeezing the max out of it for my portrait and product photography and video work. The issue of budget is a big factor and with my collection of lenses for APC, I believe I can use an adaptor on the R7 and get decent results - I would love the R8 for my portrait side but its stretching budget just a bit further plus not sure if my lenses on adaptor will work well
No problem. Happy to help.
Been researching this a lot for 6 weeks or so, so didn't learn any new info... but I love the way you cover things. Really clear, concise and relaxed feel, I should have come here first lol - great stuff mate keep it up
Thanks! I own both the camera. Let me know if you still need help deciding.
@@TMVVisualMedia Thank you brother - I have decided on the R8 after a looooong search (which started at R50)
Very cool. Enjoy the camera. Consider adding me on social media so I may follow along your creative journey.
Thanks again for the comment.
Hello! I've noticed that you are so active answering people's questions, and thought I'd chip in with my question :)
In regards to photography only, what do you think of the RP when compared to the R8? Is it the worth the extra money that could be spent on lenses instead?
Thanks for noticing! At the moment I have the luxury of a small audience and bi have the ability to answer questions.
The RP is still an excellent question. But if the budget permits I would suggest the newer R8. It has an industry leading sensor and all of Canon latest autofocus tech.
Like I mention in several of my video I would suggest the body only with these cameras and I would use the extra money saved there to get yourself an nifty fifty.
With that combo you will be making money in no time and shortly after that you will be purchasing even higher-quality glass.
My channel is focused on getting people to monetize the hobby of photography. But if your looking to purely be a hobbiest and then the RP is plenty of camera.
Please let me know if you have any other questions. Happy to help. Also, consider following me on social media where in post often. Let me know what you decide.
I have the R7 with 18-150mm and it's a great versatile combo! The IQ is superb considering the price, size, and weight of the lens. A 16mm is not a versatile walk around lens as you mentioned. It's a very limited lens that will have a person wishing for more reach when used as a walk around lens. Yes, Canon has too many damn R bodies!!
Thanks for your valuable opinion!
It's my opinion that the there are several styles of shooting that require various types of lenses.
The 16mm or any prime for that matter will always have superior optical quality and much lower f-stop that will allow more light into the sensor to produce a higher-quality image. That last part isn't an opinion it's basic optics.
I love my zoom lenses though! My 70-200 f2.8 is tremendous. But when filming or photographing the city I prefer the 15-35 f2.8. The wide angle give me more flexibility for my shooting and filming style.
Where might we see your work. I would love to see how you use the lens and camera combo and the images it produces.
Thanks again for the message!
Great video - thank you. Upgrading the wife’s camera, and she isn’t a pro but loves making small money from friends for holiday photo shoots and scrapbooking family photos - which would you say is the best between these two options?
Thanks again for the great work. Your authenticity and love for photography definitely comes across!
Thanks for the question and your kind words!
For the situation you described, I think either camera would be great.
The R7 has great pro-level features and it has great battery life.
The R8 has a full-frame sensor and a single card slot and a very short battery life.
If anyone has any intentions of making money with these cameras I would suggest the R7. Longer battery and great features like IBIS and it's ready to go out of the box. No hassle.
Let me know if you have any other questions. The lens is often the more important thing to consider when buying a camera. The body is important but good glass is everything.
Let me know what you decide. Consider filling me on social media so you may see some of my photo work.
Hi! Great video! I would love your opinion - in a little of a predicament! I am a semi experienced videographer looking to update my camera body, but am on a tight budget. At work I use the R5's and LOVE them (sadly no where near that in the wallet haha). Your video was super helpful thank you! I am still sadly torn however between the two. I do lots of both video and photo for things ranging from weddings and city events to portraits and interviews. I love that the R7 has the stabilizing and the duel SD card slots (great for the fear of losing footage), but I can't get past the R8's full frame, high quality, and super similarities to the R6 mark II. I would love your opinion on what you would do in my situation! thank you again for the helpful content and keep up the good work!
Thanks for the question! Happy to help.
I own the R8 and it's a tremendous camera. It feels great in the hand and it's very easy to use. I do own other Canon cameras so the system was familiar.
A few weeks ago I was at my local shop and I was about to buy the R7 because it has some pro features that I really thought were important. I ultimately bought the R8 because I also could not get over the full-frame sensor.
In my scenario, I believe I made the right choice, but it's because I already own the R5 and the R6. Both of those are pro cameras. After having the R8 for some time now I have learned that I don't need the IBIS because I own several lenses with IS. The dual SD is the only thing I do wish it had but I have been doing photo and video work for a few years now. Want to know how many times am SD card has failed on me. Zero. I do purchase high-end cards and I also don't delete images or videos in camera. I have learned that cards fail for a few reasons. One of them being the age of the card and I have also read that cards fail when you delete in camera.
Let me know of I can be of any more help.
Have you considered the original R6? It's recently dropped in price and out of all the cameras I own it's still my favorite. Also, consider following me on my socials. I would love to follow your journey.
Hey I'm looking to start photography as a hobby for now maybe pro later on in the future, but I wanted to ask which camera would be the best overall for landscapes, portraits, drag races, or air shows?
Great question!
I think most beginners will be very happy with the R8. It's going to be a great camera for everything.
It is missing some features that the professional may need. But the R8 is a full frame camera and it's a great bang for your buck.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Hey I’m looking to get into brand photography/lifestyle shoots/prom shoots etc. would you recommend getting a new r8 or a used r6? Not the mkii, just the original r6
Thanks for the question!
The original R6 is a superior camera. It's a pro camera meant and designed for professionals and paid work.
That being said, the R8 is also a wonderful camera and has made me plenty of money through paid gigs. But, I would not use the R8 as my primary camera. One reason I love my version of the R8 is because I already own the R6 and the R5.
I hope that answer helps. I would encourage you to check out your local shop and take a moment to hold both cameras with your hands. Believe it or not, having both cameras in hand can be a deciding factor. The R6 is a premium piece of gear.
Consider checking out my social media where I post pieces i create with the R8 and the R6 as well as the R5. I note in the descriptions what gear I am using for most of my posts.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy to help.
Great video! Thanks for some clarification, I’m gonna wait for the r8 to come out and get that. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the comment!
Let me know if you need some lens recommendations.
Happy to help.
@@TMVVisualMediaBruv that would be sick, I’m looking at the 24 f1.8, 85 f2 and 50 f1.8. Or an L series, either the 14-35 f4 or 24-105 f4. Talking head content, landscape and real estate and cars would be most of my usage.
The L stuff is super pricey.
But if you have the budget then I would suggest the 24-105 f4. It's going to give you the range to do all the things you mentioned.
I own a version of all of the lenses you mentioned.
I film my talking head on an R6 with the 15-35 f2.8. That combo stays at f2.8 for talking heads it gives me the blurry background I like. You can do something very similar with the f4 version you just have the same depth of field. Killer lens though.
And I own all the budget primes as well. Awesome lenses! I use them mostly for photography though. If I wanted to film with the budget primes I would use the 24 or the 35.
I use the 35.f1.8 for B-roll sometimes. It's a macro and it's stabilized.
All great choices. But if you want one lens to rule them all to get started it would be the 24-105 f4. If we have a few more gold coins I would suggest trying the 24-70 f2.8.
Let me know what you decide.
Also, consider checking out my Instagram. I post images almost daily and in the captions inadd what lens and what camera was used to take an image.
It's also advisable to compare the focal lengths of the few available lenses.
Hi there. I got here 'cuz I haven't made up my mind about which one of this to choose. I mainly do skateboarding photography. I own a canon 7D MKII and three canon lenses: a 24-105 f4, 50 mm f1.8, and a 70-200 mm f4 non-IS. I also have a Rokinon 8 mm. F3.5, Fisheye, and I used to use a Sigma 17-50 f2.8, but it broke down. I'd like to upgrade to mirror less, but can't decide yet if I should move to full frame or stay with APSC.
Thanks for the question!
I try my best to stay consistent with my recommendation. I think that the R8 is a great entry level full frame camera.
But it sounds to me mike you have plenty of experience with cameras and photography. You may like all the pro-level features that the R7 has to offer. Remember that there will be a crop factor to account for when using the R7 though.
I am recommending to all newbies the R8 because it's an awesome option. But also, depending on where you live the R6 mark 1 is becoming very affordable. And that camera is a monster.
Thanks a lot!
You're welcome!
Hello. I want to ask, is the ibis on r7 bring significant difference? And can i live without joystick on r8? Its so much fun with joystick.
Ibis is pretty important if you are shooting long distances. Makes the shot more stable creating a more in focus shot. Or if you photograph fast moving subjects.
The joystick is not a deal breaker for me.
For me what made me decide on the R8 over the R7 was the sensor.
I am about to buy the R7 as well though. Both are great cameras. Really depends on what you want to shoot and if you will be making money with the camera or if you are just a hobby photographer.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy to help. Check out my socials. I post images and video work for clients. I also add in the description what camera and lens I am using for the given video or photo.
APSC sensors do not change the focal length. They change the field of view only. All other aspect of a given focal length remain intact. If you’re going talk technical aspect, get the information correct. Also, the R7 can record video in C-Log, the R8 does not. Serious content creators will want to use C-Log for full control of video editing.
Thanks for the comment! Speaking in non-technical terms, would you say that if i put an RF 35mm lens on the R7 will the field of view more closely resemble that of 56mm focal length?
The R8 does record in C Log 3. If you need help finding it I can happily walk you through the menus.
I know because I own both the cameras. Several cameras that all film in C Log 3
They all seem to match well in post.
Lastly, there are plenty of "serious" content creators that use standard profiles.
Thanks again for your comment!👍
Thanks for the vídeo and good job on it. I’m thinking change to the new R8. In your opinion what is best for street and night photography and for cars/portrait shots?
I would pick a full-frame camera and a bright lens. Something like a 2.8 or a 1.8 would be ideal.
Consider following me on Instagram. I have a lot of street photos on there and I post what camera and lens combo I use for every image.
Thanks for the support. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@TMVVisualMedia thanks for your answer 😊. I started following you too 😊
Thanks for the support!!
GREAT video and thanks for sharing. I am getting back into the swing of things but deciding if I should just stick to my EOS Rebel T3 1100D and then upgrade to the R7. I know what I have is old but it works. LOL 🤣📸
Best camera to use is always the camera you already own.
@@TMVVisualMedia WOW, thanks 🤗 You should put that in fortune cookie. haha
For someone looking to be a professional and make a living out of photography, I would recommend the R7 over the R8. A few reasons being, the dual card slot (this is a necessity for peace of mind), bigger battery (which is also the same battery in the higher end cameras so when you upgrade you can use your same batteries) and IBIS which is really just a nice to have but I feel like at that price point a camera should have it.
Edit: Oh and a larger buffer on the R7 if your type of photography work requires that like wildlife or sports.
Totally agree. The R7 has all the pro features a professional needs. R8 is much more aimed at the intro level/aspiring photographer and videographer/content creator.
Thanks for the comments!
@@TMVVisualMedia Yea, it’s just too bad the number in conjunction with sensor size seems to be throwing many aspiring photographers off. I’ve seen alot of them saying they’ll be getting the R8 to start off their career because all too often full frame is pushed as the best of the best when then R7 is a much better professional camera for the same price.
I believe the R8 is an appropriate stepping stone into creative work. Especially paid creatine work.
Good job on the video but I don’t get it… you’re comparing an APSC with a FF based on price? I just upgraded from M6MarkII to R6MarkII. I wanted to upgrade from APSC to FF. The R7 and R8 are two entirely different formats? Was the point that you don’t understand the pricing? The R7 is the Flagship of the APSC line, the R8 is the new entry level for FF. When upgrading you can choose to go to the flagship APSC or make your move into FF with the entry level R8… it is the format transition point. Does that help?
I appreciate the comment.
I certainly am not confused by the cameras. Both cameras are plenty capable and they have there differences. It sounds like you went directly into the premium line of Canon cameras. That's wonderful. Others may not have that luxury. Some may be restricted by funds and may be stuck between the tough choice of going with a flagship R7 apsc and an entry level full frame. The cost is the only similarity and an average consumer or the beginner may need some guidance.
Thanks again. Enjoy your R6 mark 2. Let me know how you like it.
You had me at "killer footage of your kid's sports".
🤣 I wasn't even exgerating that part.
You could make a Nike commercial with these sort of cameras. I suppose it depends on the lens and the users skill level though.
Thanks for this video buddy.
I am upgrading from a 77D and my use case involve wildlife (50% birds, 50% big animals), indoor video - talking head on and TH-cam, may be some dance videos outdoors for my wife, at times some family events. Better battery and dual memory card not needed. I intend to use my canon 50mm and 70-300 lens for now.
My would have taken the R8 but the Apsc really helps with wild life. Unless a 150-600 sigma ef would do the trick, I need to work with my 70-300.
🙏
Thanks for the comment.
R7 all the way. Sound like you will use your camera a lot. R7 would be ideal for you.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@TMVVisualMediathank you so much ❤ was in fomo of full frame 😅
@yannnk the full frame is nice. But the cameras are for two different users.
The R7 is the best option for more experienced users.
Thanks for the comparison video. Personally the book of night time photography. Astro stuff. I'm thinking the R8 bigger sensor and low light gathering capabilities would be best suited for me. Do you have any recommendations for longer telephoto lenses? I currently have Canon EF 200 mm l series which is great for nebulas and galaxies but I'm looking for more reach to shoot planets in our solar system. The only glass I can find is really expensive for bright glass around 400 mm
Oooo great question! 😄
I think you might be surprised with the R7. Yes it's a crop sensor but it will also give you that tiny bit of extra reach you may want. 📸
I would look at the 100 to 500 RF L lens. Yes it's a premium lens but I think that lens will probably be the last lens you will ever need to buy for the type of work you do. 💰📸
Consider sharing your social media handle so the community and I may see your work. 📸
Thanks again for the comment. Stay in touch and let us know what you decide! 🤝
@@TMVVisualMedia thanks for the reply. You just brought something to my attention. I need to set up a flickr and maybe a new dedicated IG account to document my progress from complete noob to somewhat lesser noob lol
@@TMVVisualMedia I just shot the total eclipse in the suburbs of Cincinnati. I got some super detailed Bailey's beads and diamond ring. I guess they would make great first post images on a new account.
@Bubbz2024 do it.
How would the R8 and rf 100 - 400mm lens be as a Combo? I am think about buying the 35mm and the zoom.
Great question!
I owned that lens for a while and I traded it after I had it for a year. It's a lens with a lot of reach and it will let you capture some distant scenes. I think if it's used as an introductory lens to zooms it's great for a beginner. I believe you will run I to some optical limitations with the lens after a while because it's a variable aperture lens.
Over all I rate that specific lens a 5 out of 10.
The 35mm however is a 10 of 10 lens in my opinion. Killer lens.
Photography is awesome and I enjoy helping when I can. Please let me know if you have any questions and consider checking out my social media. I post almost daily photos taken with my gear. I add the camera and lens combo in the descriptions of my photos so people have an idea of how the shot was made.
Hello 👋🏼 I need your advice I want to buy a camera for pet photography (mostly indoor) and I’m a beginner, I started with an old canon 550D and want to upgrade to mirrorless but I don’t have a big budget + as I’m not a professional I don’t see any point to buy super expensive for now. Still confused about crop and full frame. To my understanding full frame is better? So should I get r8 or r7? Or maybe r10 or r50? I’m thinking more about r7 or r8 both have advantages and disadvantages… and what type of lens would you recommend for pet photography? Thank you for your answer 🙏🏻☺️
Thanks for the question!
Since you are just getting started I would recommend the R7. It's a lovely camera and it will have features that will be very helpful.
Animals are often fast moving and the R7 is a great system. As for the lens. I would recommend the kit lens that co es with the camera. Later on you can upgrade when you find out what it is you need.
Let me know if you have any other questions!
The lens recommendation you gave for the R7 is that just good for head shots or is it good for portraits to?
Thanks for the question! 😊
It's important to remember the crop factor when looking at lenses for the R7. The 35mm f1.8 on the R7 will be a beautiful pairing for both headshots and portraits; due to the crop factor, the 35 will be close to 50mm, which is ideal for both headshots and portraits. 😍
The 50mm on the R7 will be closer to 85mm. And that is an ideal focal length for close-up portraits. 📸
Let me know if you have any other questions. I use and own a lot of these lenses. I'm happy to help. You can also see my work on my social media, and on every image I post, I note what camera and lens combo I'm using.
Thanks again!
Hi Vic, thanks for the video - I am at the point of upgrading from my EOS M6 Mkii with EF-m 15-45mm/EF-m 55-200mm lenses. I am so torn between the R7 with the kit RF 15-150mm which would work for most travelling and hiking purposes and perhaps coupling with the RF 100-400mm for the extra reach. However, t R8 has now come along and has really put a spanner in the works for my decision process, especially when partnered with the RF-24-240mm which will serve as a good travel combo. I know you like the primes, but budget and potability are key for me. My concern is that would I miss the opportunity to go to a FF body, but like the IBIS of the R7 and obviously to extra reach/cropping potential granted by the higher res sensor and crop 1.6 factor. I do a fair amount of video work (mainly on GoPro 11) due to its fantastic auto levelling , but it is very wide - hence the appeal of the IBIS on the R7. I mainly shoot family/travel stuff and getting reference materiel for landscape/bird paintings (I am an artist) , and taking photos of my paintings for the purposes of making prints of them so detail important. I know its hard to answer, but will yearn for not changing to full frame at this point? Anyway, I thought I would contact you and see what advice you have as I keep flipping between the two!
Thanks for the comment. I can surely tell that this has been a sort of conundrum for you. You're not alone. Many have asked me the same question. Albeit not so eloquently.
If you're asking me directly I will answer directly. It's time to go full frame.
You are correct when mentioning that I don't like the kit zooms. But it's not entirely because of the lens itself. Those zooms have a purpose. I believe that all camera makers can do better when providing kit lenses it seems like sort of a trap to the consumer.
Also, I have owned several of the lenses you mentioned. I sold all of them back except the 24-105 variable aperture. I kept it because it had dropped in value so drastically that it was cheaper to keep it forever than to sell it for anything.
I hope my direct approach to answering your question didn't offend. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Happy to help! I also have several videos on the R8, feel free to check them out. The R8 is coming out later this week!
@@TMVVisualMedia Great thanks for taking the time to reply - I've subscribed. I may well take the plunge! Cheers, Quintin
Very keen about usage needs and a nature lover, you are equally important customer to canon than just an amateur or pro. Will camera designers pay attention to such users ,,,also thank the crucial part of debate brought about by many keen users along with the reviewer .
Thanks for the comment.
Now I’m even more confused. I am getting in to shooting for the first time since 1999 when nothing was digital. My main focus will be videoing and still photography of my daughter playing indoor volleyball and some beach. Should I focus on the more user-friendly capabilities of the R8, or go with the R7, which is better sports? Although, I’ve heard the R8 is better in low light low, which is very common inside a lot of these convention centers where volleyball tournaments are played. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated from your audience.
Thanks for the question!
I think you will enjoy the R7.
It has super fast shutter speed that leaves the R8 in the dust.
The R8 is better in low light but for someone just getting started you won't notice a difference in a lit gymnasium. When it comes to low light it matter when youre talking about concert venues or even street photography at night.
The better question for sports will be what lens you will be getting. I have mentioned in a few of my videos that the kit lens are not very good but for someone getting started a kit lens is ok. You will learn there limitations rather quickly. I recommend the budget RF STMs all the time.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy to help.
Is 35mm good for landscape, casual protraits and travel with R8??
I use my 35mm as my daily driver. I think it's perfect for all the things you mentioned.
I highly recommend the 35mm for everyday and casual shooting and filming. It's nice.
I have the R, and I'm looking for a second Canon R series that does longer than 30 minutes of video because that limit has been rather frustrating. I'd be interested to see how some of the cropped ones would work with my Sigma 50mm, which, pro tip, looked exactly the same as the Canon RF 50mm L series one, it's just 1.4 not 1.2 which doesn't matter considering the Sigma one was like half the price of the Canon one. Really nice bokeh too.
As much as I'd love the R6 mk2 it's so expensive, and I still like my R for photos. So I'm eyeing the R7. It would probably be a great fit for the 24-105 that came with the R, and then I could put my large Sigma 150-600 telephoto lens on the R if I'm far enough away, or use the 50mm one for a more wide angle.
A lot of choices. Let me know what you find out.
I choose the R7 over the R8 as my primary camera, and with the 0.71 speed booster I have a close enough field of view as a full frame with in body IBS, larger battery, and the ability to quickly change to a sports camera when I need it. It's a perfect all around portrait/sports/automotive/general use photography.
Thanks for the comment.
I mostly do theatre/stage photography. Which camera would be best for it? The R7 or R8?
Great question!
I would recommend the R7 for any sort of professional work or capturing professionals in any field. The R7 has a lot of desirable features.
R8 is great but it's more for hobbiest and walking around town kinda camera.
Let me know if you have any other specific questions.
Great video thanks,new subscriber here 💯
Thanks!
What do i choose if i like a travel camer to take family pics and landscapes? And what lens to use?
Thanks for the question! If you like the R8 I would choose a 24mm lens or at most a 35mm lens.
If you like the R7 I would choose a 16mm lens of a 24mm lens. Nice and wide with little distortion.
@@TMVVisualMedia which is better if I just boight 1 lens?
Hmmm
If I could only have one lens and one camera body I would do the R7 with the RF24mm
That's a nice kit.
How do you address or solve the r8 battery issue when filming videos?
I carry extra batteries for the camera. That's the easiest way to address the low battery life.
Another option that I have is rigging out the R8 with a monitor and a V mount battery. It's an expensive investment. But worth it.
I may do a video about it. 🤔
Muchas GRACIAS
I'm on the fence but I think the R7 will be better for my work needs thanks to dual card slots and superior battery life. The lens selection for aps-c is a bit lackluster, but I think I'll just get an EF adapter and use EF-S lenses.
Thanks for the comment.
You can use RF glass. I am unsure of the drawbacks off the top of my head. It may be worth looking into.
@@TMVVisualMedia there's no fixed aperture 17-55 zoom in the RF lens lineup, the closest equivalent is a 14-35 f/4 but that's a 2.000$ lens.
Yeah that's a tough find for any native brand. Your best bet will be to go to the used market. But a fixed aperture lens within the last ten years will be close to 1000.
Fixed aperture zooms are expensive. Don't forget about the crop factor.
Let me know if you have any other questions about lenses. I own several.
Hello Take My Victure. So I was considering getting the canon r8 for professional private content creation on my soon to be website. I've got a few questions.
1. Do you think the R8 will be a good fit for high quality videos, so far from I have seen I think it will be because I only to have each video 3-10mins long. Or do you reckon I go for a higher budget camera maybe like the R6 or even the Sony FX30. I don't mind spending the extra bucks if it does make that much of a difference
2. The Canon RF50mm F1.8 STM, do you think it will be a good fit for a home studio where there isn't too much room.
If any one else has any answers or tips it will be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Thanks for the question!
I think the R8 is going to be plenty of camera for creating content. It's going to be a great system.
Instead of buying a more expensive camera I would save that money and buy high quality SD cards V90's and several batteries as well as a handy tripod and lights.
As for the lens, I would say that in a full frame, the 50mm focal length is rather tight. It is super cheap and it belongs in everyone's kit. But I would suggest something a little wider. Something like a 24mm or 35mm depending on your space. If your budget allows it I would suggest looking at the 15-35mm f2.8 or the 14-35 f4.
The lens and camera combo I use in my talking heads is an R6 with the 15-35mm f2.8. It's tremendous.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Cheers!
@@TMVVisualMedia Thank you very much, this was very helpful
@@TMVVisualMedia. Hello once again I've been looking around for a good tripod. In your humble opinion what would be a good value for money tripod for the R8
What do you need the tripod to do?
This is the exact kit that I use.
K&F tripod
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Ulanzi video fluid head
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K&F multi-angle kit
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This kit is not the best or the most expensive but it's last me for many years now.
There are other options but this is exactly what I use.
Let me know if you have any other questions!
I was really on the fence between these two cameras until yesterday when I had an SD card failure. I don't have a heavy investment in lenses, so I could go either way, but losing hours worth of irreplaceable work was the nail in the coffin for the R8, so I ordered the R7. Video is not my primary need, and frankly, I think there are better options than either of these cameras if that is the priority.
What a bummer!
I definitely would not recommend the R8 for any sort of paid professional work.
I believe it's also important to note the importance of high-quality SD cards. Properly formatting the card and replacing them every so often.
of course, SD card failures happen and I hope it doesn't happen to anyone. But at a pro level, we need to have redundancy.
Thanks for the comment. I'm certain that it will help others in their purchasing decision.
I'm going to pin this comment because I believe it to be important.
Thanks for commenting. Where might we find your work?
What’s other options would you go with I’m asking I’m new to all this
@@TMVVisualMedia what other camera Would you. Recommend I’m new to all this I want to Oder something that will last and be awesome
Happy to help!
Welcome to the confusing world of photography gear.
Can you remind me what sort of photography and videography you want to dabble in?
It really depends on your budget. But I think that the R8is going to be tailor-made for beginners.
But I would stick with full frame if it's within your budget
I'm considering the R7 for aviation photography (plane spotting) for still's over video. It sounds from your review that the R7 would be ideal?
I would agree!
Make sure you get a faster lens than the kit lens.
Thanks for the comment!
I was considering to add a tamron 400mm lens 🤔
@@scottb8201 very cool. I'm not familiar with that particular lens. You will need an adaptor though.
Also camera is a crop sensor so that 400mm will be closer to a 600mm and it will give you crazy amount of reach.
@takemyvicture yep that's the whole point of sticking with cropped s we sensor and pair with the appropriate lens to match the camera. I'll watch the video. Cheers.
I am planning to switch from my Canon 6D to a Mirrorless. Got the usual EF 24-105 and a range of manual lenses. Which one between R7 & R8 would be ideal for me? I usually do a lot of travel photography. Nothing much other than that. And yes, once again, that will be my only camera body. Thank you in advance.
I think in your case you would like the R7. It's super if it's going to be your only camera. You will likely not need to upgrade for a very long time.
The R8 is great but I think it's more of an entry level camera. It's still very good. But R7 wins for your use case.
@@TMVVisualMedia Thank you so much for your prompt reply. Really Really appreciate this!!
which lens should I get for wide angle landscape photography for R7?
Thanks for the question!
If your looking for wide angle and youre on a budget. I would look at the 16mm. If you have a large budget I would look at the 15-35mm f2.8.
I own both. Let me know if you have any other questions.
Keep in mind the crop factor with the R7.
What would your recommend for a sports videographer
Probably the R7. Because its much faster.
Hii, do you think that the R8 would be a good fit for me? I'm starting in photography in my spare time and I do videos and shorts films in college :) sounds like a great camera
I think it's an excellent camera for beginners. Perfect for videos and excellent for photos.
Thanks for the comment! Let me know if you have any questions about lenses.
I have a M50 MK II and looking for an update next year.
I take pictures of indoor dance competitions and often go to ISO 12.800 with Tamron EF f2.8 lens 24-70mm and 1/250 sesc so I need a better camera so in doubt between a R7 with a speedbooster, R8, R6 or R6 MK II.
Any advice, since they differ 1.300 euro in price?
Thanks for the question!
I also own the M50. Great little camera.
If it's in your budget I would go all the way to the R6 Mark 2 or the R6 Mark 1.
There are some great deals on the original R6 but if you can fit it into your budget the R6 Mark 2 will future-proof you and your camera needs for the next 10 years.
Let me know if you have any other questions!
Consider checking out the latest prices with the links in my description. I also have a list of items that I own and recommend.
Let me know what you decide!
@@TMVVisualMedia Thanks for the info.
I take about 3K pictures per event, so in 1 year I took about 40.000 pictures.
In view of the fact that the mechanical shutter of the M50 MKII is rated for 100.000 I can expect in 1 year it will become unreliable.
Does the R6 (MK II) has an electronic shutter ?
Yes.
It has mechanical, electronic, and electronic 1st curtain.
Make sure you do your research. I have had my camera past the 1 year mark and past the shitter count. No problme.
@@TMVVisualMedia Thanks, I will rent a camera next year, probably the 6 m II and keep my M50 as spare and extra camera.
@@TMVVisualMedia Last question 🙂; In the 3 Custom Scenes; can you fix for example the standard focus point, ISO and diafragma and if I want assign one of those to the thumbwheel?
I would like to use for example:
SC1; Dancing in Landscape f2.8 1/250 sec ISO auto max 12.800
SC2; Dancing in Portrait f2.8 1/250 sec ISO auto max 12.800
SC3; Group pictures with f4, 1/100 sec and a lower ISO limit max 6.000
ok.... r7 or r8 for concerts in small clubs (500 people) with ok lighting.... my M6ii does a great job but thinking about getting a new one but not sure which one??
I would definitely consider getting the R8. It's a full-frame camera and I think you will have some great photos from it.
Remember to consider skipping the kit lens and pick up a bright lens. Something like a f1.8 or f2 fixed aperture.
Let me know of you have any other questions.
Wonderful video with perfect suggestions. I am wildlife enthusiasts, I am going ro buy R8 but after your suggestion especially bird's photography I think R7 is best, also battery life is good. So kindly suggest me your recommendation with telephoto zoom lens(~600mm) and general kit lens under this budget.
I have read everywhere, for wildlife R7 any day, R8 for landscape, portrait, street, and content. Because R7 is better with telescopic, which is added advantage for wildlife, specially birding. If not shooting birds or any other action and not doing functions shoot e.g weddings, birthdays, then R8 anyday.
Damn bro. I just gpt the R8 in the mail and just ordered the R7 today lol. I'm on my way to become a professional photographer for both sports and portraits. So I gotta see which fits me best.
Did you consider the R6 or the R5? Or do you want to have two bodies?
I’m a Nikon guy always have. Coming from D 700 and D3 I decided to get into mirrorless by getting the z50 and kit lenses. The form factor was so compact I started using it for street photography to see how it shot. The kit lens are good but I wanted better quality. I then mounted manual focus Voigtlander 40mm and 56mm. The magic was revealed! I then decided to build up pro lenses around this setup by purchasing the Z 24-70 |2.8 to do a wedding. I have since then stopped purchasing anything further as this little mirrorless camera is doing it all! Because I’m no longer shooting professional event photography. I’m finding more enjoyment in dabbling with other brands. I’m wanting into birding photography for sheer enjoyment. The R8 has definitely caught my attention😊.
Thanks for the comment!
The R7 would be nice for birding. A little bit more reach and some semi-pro-level features. Also, the two cameras cost the same for the body only. Depending on where you are in the world.
I wouldn't recommend the R8 for paid work but for a hobbiest. I think it's ideal.
I may pick one up for myself as a C cam.
can you recommend others that can zoom also? example 24-50 or 24-75 for the R8
When it comes to zoom lenses for the R8 I would only consider recommending ones that have stabilization. I personally own the 24-105 and it's a great starter zoom to get your feet wet. But my favorite zoom is the 70-200 f2.8.
That lens is a monster. I also own the 28-70 f2 and that's another premium L series lens. But it,, unfortunately, doesn't have stabilization.
So I wouldn't recommend that one.
That was a great question! Let me know what youre trying to film or photograph. I can be more specific.
I will always say to start with a budget prime as a first lens. It's the best way to learn.
@@TMVVisualMedia thank you for taking the time to write all that, im trying to firs of all film normal TH-cam channel video about gym,interviews and vlogs, and I wanna do a lot but a lot of short cinematic videos vertical, I juts found a RF 24-50mm f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Lens, do you think it would be okay? its 200 the lenses, I don't want to spend more than 300 before tax on the lenses
I hear you. If that's where your budget is at then thats an ok lens.
But I'm going to double down on a message that I've remained consistent on. "I do not recommend and kit lenses" and it's not because I want my viewers to spend more money. I have nothing to gain. My message is that I have come to learn that budget primes are optically superior than any budget zoom. Thats a fact and not an opinion.
I was of the similar mindset when I started out a few years ago. I would tell myself "yeah but with a zoom I would be able to do so much more and I could do a tight shot and then I could get wide if I needed to!" but at the time I didn't understand the science behind the optics.
What I understand now is how to make money with budget primes and slowly improve my skills to charge a premium for my service to be able to afford premium glass.
What I would look into would be the nifty fifty thats a 200 dollar lens and learn how to monetize the awesome R8 and rf50 1.8 combo and learn the basics of filming, composition and editing.
Consider following me on Insta or tik tok I share more photos and video you can see some of my work and how I have progressed.
I'm here to help.
@@TMVVisualMedia Thank you again for the responses, no disrespect but I don't get why I kit lenses is not good If it can do 24-50 and the other only 50 for around the same price, I totally understand the part of growing slowly yo buy premium glass too, im very open to that but what would be the science behind those 2 glasses that would make me buy the 50mm instead of the 24-50 kit lenses,
thank you again bro :)
It's very simple.
I am not an optical engineer but I have been able to use all sorts of lenses and been able to buy many of them. I have used them for paid work and for passion projects.
The issue does not come from the fact that they are zooms. It more to do with the f stop. The f stop is how the aperture of the lens is quantified using a number. A lower number like f1.8 or f2.8 allows much more light to hit the camera sensor. The R8 has arguable the best sensor that canon has to offer.
The budget prime that you are referring too and all budget zooms have whats called a variable aperture. That'd the 5.6 or 7.0. Meaning that at the widest focal length of 24, you will be at the lower number and as you zoom the lens decreases its aperture letting less light in.
You mentioned what you wanted to do. Film interviews in a gym, conduct interviews and TH-cam videos. With that variable aperture zoom, you will not be able to get quality video out of the lens. Which would be a shame. For such a nice sensor.
Then the problem comes in when you realize that you are now limited by the lens and can not create the video that you want to create. So you decide to sell the lens. Only to find out it's essentially worthless.
I speak from experience. Btw do you have any experience with cinematography and video editing?
Happy to go into more detail if need me too.
I work in college athletics and have been debating on if I should get the R7 or the R8. I’m mostly looking to get a combination of photos and videos for our teams. If you have experience taking sports photo, which one do you think would be a better fit?
Great question!
For that specific use case I would get the R7. It's a superior camera for sports and fast moving subjects.
Additionally it's camera that you will grow into with little time.
R7 all the way.
Let me know if you have any questions about lenses. That's the tougher question.
Let me know what you decide. Happy to help!
@@TMVVisualMediathank you for the response! I definitely think I’m leaning towards getting the R7 but then the question is about the lens. I was looking between getting the cannon RF 70-200 mm lens or the sigma sport 70-200 mm lens and get the EF-RF adapter. I know the RF is nicer quality but a lot more expensive.
@@phillesfan98 Canon glass is a premium product.
I always ask people to consider renting from a reputable rental house if you can fit it in your budget. It will cost about a hundred bucks for a week. Something close to that.
But it saves you the hassle of buying something you don't need just yet.
I always rent first.
I own several lenses. Including the 70-200 from canon. It's a dream. But I rented it first. Then I saved up for it after a few gigs.
A R8 foca 100% assuntos em movimento!
I may add the R7 with my R6 mkii and and the new sirui anamorphic lens that are just coming out. Great info thanks.
Thanks for the view! And the comment!
@@TMVVisualMedia I'm following because like you I love all this stuff too! Looking forward to more content.
@@CoffeeTalkandTechJohnRyan gracias amigo! Let me knownif you have any collab ideas. Maybe we can work on something together someday.
R7 vs R8 sports at night under stadium lights. What would be best?
I think for sports the R7 will be better. Especially if you pair it with a super bright and long lens. Like a 85 f2 or the the 70-200 2.8
I am not a professional photographer but trying to upgrade after 10 years. I am totally confused and need some guidance. I have a Canon 600D (APSC) with 18-55 and 55-250 EF-S lenses. I struggle to capture photos indoors and in low light because an ISO of above 320 would start to show noise. I want to upgrade to full frame and thinking of the R6-II but if I have to use my existing lenses, the effective resolution would be around 8-10 megapixels in crop mode and that’s disappointing. For this reason I am drawn towards the R7 so that I can still use my existing lenses… but since it’s a crop sensor I am worried about the low light performance and noise.
Thanks for the question! I'm happy to help.
A few things to consider: there is no contest between the the R7 and the R6 mark 2. The R6 is with out a doubt the better camera. It's also about a 1000 dollars more than the R7.
Second thing to consider. Neither of your EF-s lenses will work on your RF cameras without an adaptor.
Third, both of those lenses have a variable aperture. Meaning that when you increase the focal length the lens let's in less light. Making the whole scene darker.
Fourth, often times to improve your image quality you need to consider the optics of the lenses before you just go out a replace the camera body. It's all about the lenses you use than it is about the camera body. The lens doesn't have to be incredibly expensive either.
Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy to help! Feel free to check out my Instagram I share photos on there and in the description I add what camera and lens was used to capture the image.
One advice : don't make your choice based on these 2 EF-S lenses, they don't worth it.
If you consider that R6-II could be an option : buy a R8 and put the $1000 you saved in one or few lens, you will get much better results.
If you consider the R7 is an option to keep you 2 EF-S lens, buy a R10 instead , give it a try with your 2 lens, and buy one or 2 fix prime lens with the saved money
Thank you both for the guidance. One last question... Do you know how is the ISO performance on R7? How far can we push the ISO before catching noise in a indoor situation with a normal room light?
I don't know the number. But it shouldn't be too difficult to find on the internet.
The Rfs 18-150mm surprisingly good and sharp!
My best lens is the RF 14-35mm L. So fun to play with!
Also, the full frame lenses work great on the crop cameras.
I like the STM primes.
They are my most recommended lenses. Budget friendly and easy to use.
@@TMVVisualMedia I like the zooms because I hate fumbling with changing lenses.
Always afraid I’ll drop one!
That's a real fear for sure.
I have only come to like the L series zooms.
@@TMVVisualMedia oh yes!
I think everyone should treat themselves to at least 1 L glass in their kit🥳
I got an R7 for a year now since I’m into bird photography, but I’m also getting an R8 mainly for street photography. Does it really make sense to own both of these cameras?
I own 5 Canon cameras. Lol, I might be the wrong person to ask.
But I love every single one of them and they all do something different very well. What I mean is that they all have a specific job in my kit.
Also, I am a freelancer. So my side income comes from photo and video work. That's something to consider as well.
I'm actually planning on getting the R7 here pretty soon. I was going to get a second R8 but I decided to go for the top-of-the-line crop sensor camera Canon has to offer.
@@TMVVisualMedia The R7 is an awesome apsc camera! I was gonna get an R6m2, but opted for an R8 since it has the same sensor and is much cheaper as well as lighter.
@maxidrivemaxidrive4330 let me know your thoughts on the R8. I love mine.
Thanks again for the comment!
Can you please recommend RFzoom for travelling?
Depending on your budget I would get the RF 24-105mm. If you have a large budget I would get the RF 24-70mm.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@TMVVisualMedia 24 105 f4?
Yes. That's a fantastic lens for traveling!
What do you recommend for recording a still video filming only the face, neck to shoulders and with the background blurred?
Thanks for the question!
You are referring to a talking head video.
I would recommend either of cameras in the video. And I would recommend a lens that has a low aperture. F2.8 or lower.
Let me know if you have any other questions. You can also check the links in the description to see the gear that I use.
@@TMVVisualMedia Thank you very much!! My only interest is a camera to stop on my tripod and make a head video! I will not take pictures! For videos like this which one would you prefer?
The R8 with RF 24mm f1.8.
@@TMVVisualMedia thanks!!!! 🙏🙏
No problem. Let me know how it goes!
i am stuck on weather to upgrade or not, r10,, or the r7, or the ff r8. i take care of the marketing and internet presence at a small town iowa ford dealership. i take all the stills of the inventory and short vid clips. i recently started a youtube page for how to- why to videos. i also woulf like to start shooting internet based commercials. currently i have a T8i with 3 different lenses. spare batteries and hot shoe mic kit. i dont know if i really need 4 k vid yet but the option with good af would be great.
shooting conditions in iowa can be hot, wet, snow and ice..etc...
please give me your professional opinions...
If youre doing any sort of professional work for a business I would seriously consider the R7.
It's a great camera with some pro-level features that will future-proof your content creation for at least the next 5 to ten years.
Let me know if you have any other specific questions.
@@TMVVisualMedia your feelings on the t8i compared to these?
@TAZTALKS2022 respectfully, there is no comparison. The R system cameras you have mentioned are in a league of there own and they have the latest technology available in them.
@@TMVVisualMedia ty
Hi, I'm not pro, but have already lost some sd cards, because my MacBook air doesn't have cardreader, so i had to use adapters. And as i found out , unfortunately using adapters is dangerous, because your card can die every time you turn it into the adapter. It wasn't wedding video, but it was wife's bakery's video for Instagram and she had to prepare all cheesecakes againe and shoot it again. Twice ! We lost about 300$ buying ingredients and about two days for shooting. After this we wil never use one-card camera. We bought Sony because it has 4k 30mb , which any Canon doesn't have ( and it's a pity!)
for us this bitrate more then enough , we dont shoot in dynamic scenarium, and it doesn't take a lot of space. Canon R8 now is the B cam and it will never be the A cam.
So, if you use camera as most of my friends use the bycicle ( to make several photos for Facebook once a year and put it on the wall to make everyone think, that they are a great sportsmen) - one card camera will be enough, or if your shoot a lot for the pleasure or "for art". But if your video has any money- value i don't see any reason to take a risk in 2023, when we have a lot of such a great dual-card cameras for any price.
Thanks for the comment!
I have bought an canon 100 to 400 lens do you think that's a good idea I have R7
I owned that lens.
It wasn't my favorite. I returned it and saved up for the 70-200 f2.8
I think it's an excellent intro to the super-telephoto lenses. I ran into its limitations very quickly.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
The RF18-150mm has a close minimum focusing distance, excellent image quality, and a good magnification factor for close-up subjects. You can't find a lighter weight lens with that much zoom range. It's the opposite of garbage.
Thanks for your input.
Is it a variable aperture? Pardon me for the generalization but it's my opinion that Canon can do a better job in supplying an entry level lens that does not have a variable aperture.
It would be better to give an option for a fixed aperture.
It's my opinion that any variable aperture lens isn't very good.
Thanks for the comment!
People has unrealistic expectation, and they don't understand the purpose of a light and compact superzoom.
Thanks for the comment!
The RF 35MM IS STM is gonna be a beast on the R8. I’m buying 2 more batteries and a few UHS2 cards for 4K. Carrying around a 1TB Samsung SSD for easy file offloading !
That does sound like a beast of a combo! The 35 has stabilization as well. Thats probably the best lens and camera combo I know of.
Perhaps the RF24 stm would also be good.
What will you be filming/photographing?
@@TMVVisualMedia Yeah the drawbacks of the R8 are of course smaller batteries, one card slot, no IBIS or joystick. But I’m mainly after it for video, and 4K no crop.
I'm strongly considering it for a C cam to live fixed on my desk. It shoots c-log so it will match the rest of my cameras.
Thanks for the comment btw!
@@TMVVisualMediaI sure hope it’s C log and not C log 3 I’ve heard different things
@@calenbolo, it is C log 3. I mispoke.
Photography is my hobby and I mostly shoot stills. I am planning to replace my 3 years old Sony a7 III with a full frame camera and i like Canon's Dual Pixel focus system. I like R8 due to its price. But only the negative aspects that bother me are " No IBIS" and single SD card slot in R8. i really found dual card system is very useful. So, unable to take a decision.
It's a tough choice.
Have you looked at the original R6? The price has been lowered and it jas all the features youre looking for.
Let me know if you have any questions.
@@TMVVisualMedia Sure. Thanks
Trust me, you don't need IBIS for stills. Get a lens with some form of IS is all you need. Heck even without both many of us won't notice when shooting with the 50mm prime for example. I never had card fail on me, for sure it can happen, but with high quality cards chances are very slim. And as it's your hobby and not job I can see no reason for dropping a camera because it doesn't have card slots.
I'm very happy with the R8 as a hobby photographer, it's all I ever wanted. Sure I did a 9 year leap (upgraded from a 700D :D ) so I guess everything is an upgrade, but I like shooting at night and indoors a lot. I especially like to travel light and it's weird to say that an FF camera is lighter than the APS-C alternative in this case, so for me it was a clear choice.
@ThaGamingMisfit, I'm glad you found a camera that works for you!
I don’t think you will need ibis unless you’re vlogging all the time. Or if you’re using big zoom lenses
I use to have a photography buisness with my wife. I had a Canon 5D mark III. with a lot of great lenses. my Wife took all of the photography equipment in the divorce. I really want to get back in to photography, but I don't have the money to replace all the gear. I mostly do portrait, landscape, food, and macro. But I'm also starting a vlog with someone else which camera do you recommend for me the R8 I really like the full frame on my 5D. it took great concert shots. but the R7 seems more robust, and it has the two card slots with the IS.
Thanks for the question!
I'm a full-frame guy. So that would be my recommendation.
But the R7 did just receive a price drop and if you plan on doing some paid gigs later down the road I would recommend the R7.
Keep in mind the crop factor though if you want to do vlogs. You will need a wide lens.
Let me know if you have any specific questions and consider checking out my links for the most recent prices.
It's a tough choice and Canon didn't make it any easier on us.
Let me know what you decide.
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I love my R7. I feel it's the better camera with having more options. I have a 5D mark III. So it's not like I don't know the advantages of full frame. I do very well.
Very cool. I may be picking up an R7 here soon. I'm kinda interested in the rumor of a R7c.
Thanks for the comment.
@takemyvicture You're welcome. My R7 is the best camera I've owned. Even better than my 5D3 and my 90D.
its so hard to decide, i dont know if i should go for an r6mark2, r7 or an r8. Im not in for it for the filming but kids sports, portrait and nature.
If you have the R6 mk2 as an option. Then it's a no-brainer. The R6 mk2 is a superior camera. The R6 mk2 will be the last camera you ever buy.
I own the R8 and it's tremendous. I will be buying the R7 eventually but I will have to secure a few more gigs to afford it.
If I could go back in time I still would buy the R8 first. The full frame is so good. But I did choose the R8 because I already own the R6 and the R5 which have all the pro features that the R8 is missing.
If I had no camera and it was between the R7 and R8 I would be picking the R7 because of the missing features of the R8.
Also, they just dropped in price since I made this video. Check out the most recent price I the links in my description. And let me know what you decide. Happy to help answer any questions.
@@TMVVisualMedia Thanks for the reply, much appreciated. One thing i dont want is the warping you can get when it comes to sport images, and ofc i want images with good sharpness and color(family photos). You know i want to be satisfied with my eyes watching them with the family later on. The objective im leaning for it the Canon RF 70-200/4L IS USM
What camera would you recommend for photography?
I love the R8 for photos.
Thanks for the question!
@@TMVVisualMedia thank you
Yeah, the R series 85mm F1.2prime is $CDN3500 making it over $CDN3,955 or a hairs breath below $4,000! and the body itself is about $CDN2542.5. So just to get setup at a prosumer level is going to cost me $CDN6550!
It's an expensive endevour.
Have you considered the Rf 85 f2? I own that lens as well. It's very nice. I have made plenty of money with that lens.
Actually, I started to make money with a Canon M50 a few years back. It's what provided me the funds to level up year over year.
You don't need pro gear to start making money. Or to be a "prosumer"
Let me know if you have any specific questions.
You also have to multiply 1.6 to the apeture. Not only the focal length. That's the worst thing with crop sensor in my opinion.
Thanks for the comment. I was playing with an r7 at my local shop and I tried out my fast lenses. It seemed to show the correct f stop.
I will have to look into that. Because im about to pick up another camera and I wanted to get the R7 for streaming.
Aperture doesn’t change.
Yes the focal length will change, but the aperture stays the same. F/2.8 or whatever you use. It’s the depth of field that will be different. So f/2.8 will look like a f/5.6
Sorry, 2.8 will appear to have a depth of field of 4.6
R8 all the way
Would you also consider the R8 a good camera for wildlife pics like birds etc.
For faster-moving subjects, I would have to recommend the R7.
It's an APS-C sensor camera but it has more pro level features that would be better suited to capture unpredictable subjects. In addition to the pro features the R7 would add a 1.6 crop to any lens giving you an extra amount of reach that is helpful for birds and wildlife.
Let me know if you have any other questions. I released a video recently talking about the R7 and the R8 comparison. But if you have seen it and still have questions let me know.
Happy to help you decide on a lens as well. It can be a tough choice and they are rather expensive as well.
Thank you. I’m new to it all. Kids are grown and out now. I finally have some spare change to spare lol. Time to get this hobby going I’ve always wanted to do. I really enjoy your videos on TH-cam. I will look up the R7 to R8 video you have. I have not seen that one yet. Thanks again
Awesome! Thanks for the support.
For wedding photo sessions and a reel video , wich one should i have R7 or R8 ??
I would choose the R7.
Thanks for your question!
@@TMVVisualMedia thank you ❤❤
What about stills?
Great question!
I love my copy of the R8 for stills. I would recommend getting a lens with stability though. And I have to admit that the R8 is my everyday carry. BUT! When I am in my studio and have other options for still I often leave the R8 for just video capture and use an R6 or R5 for photos.
The R7 would be higher on my list for stills though. It's a superior camera overall in my opinion but it has a smaller sensor which it why I decided to get the R8.
Let me know if you have specific questions. Happy to help. Also consider following me on social media so you may see more examples of photos taken with the R8. I post the gear I used in the description of every photo and video I upload.
Thanks again for the comment!
For soccer from the side lines some close up shots with tracking of the player and ball. Both in the day and night with lights ? R7 or r8?
Thanks in advance
Thanks for the question!
R7 for sure. The R7 is Canon highest tier APSC camera. It's great.
I would urge you to spend some time looming at lenses next. Not all lenses are the same. Let me know if you need any recommendations. Happy to help.
Thank you for the fast reply! Really appreciate im trying to buy the camera before the start of the season. I want the 70-200 but its out of my price range for right now. I was thinking the ef 55-250 ? Or what do you recomend
I try to remain consistent with my recommendation. If you watch my other videos you may hear me say that im not a big fan of kit lenses or variable aperture zooms. They really suffer at the far end of the focal lengths.
The R7 is a 33 mp camera I believe and it has great reach because of crop factor.
The lens your referring to will be fine for getting started but you will run into it's limitations very quickly. Feel free to check out any of my other videos. I own a lot of lenses.
Renting is always an awesome and budget friendly option that really lets you learn a lens before you buy. Happy to help.
I hate the fact that the R8 doesn’t have Stabilization. But couldn’t a quality gimble fix that?
Definitely a major bummer. I still love my copy of the R8 though.
Hola! Buen vídeo. Me encuentro en esa disyuntiva de la R7 o la R8 y pues, ya de por sí, sé que el lente de kit vale mierda. Es un buen inicio jajajajja xD. Creo que voy por la R7. Saludos desde Chile!.
Saludos amigo!
Me dejas saber si tienes preguntas. El R7 es una camera fantastica. Yo, decide con la R8 por que el sensor es mas grande.
Pero un dia voy a comprar la R7 tambien.
The numbers are not confusing, Smaller is better
Thanks Jon.
The R8 Look like a fantastic FF photocamera with some really basic video capabilities.
The video is really good I have found. At least for what I use it for.
Thanks for the comment!
The 18-150 kit lense is actually pretty darn good. You saying kit lenses are trash is just your very own opinion and not facts.
Thanks for the comment!
The L series lenses and the budget STM primes are superior lenses. That is fact.
I'm glad you like the 18-150. I just believe that Canon and all Camera makers can do better when it comes to kit lenses. They are choosing not to.
Thanks again for the comment!
You had me at “the kits lenses are trash!!”
Some people got really offended when I said that. Lol. It's really not about the money. It's more about all Camera makers. They really should and can provide better glass in a kit.
Thanks for the comment!
@@TMVVisualMedia those people are dumb. The kit lenses are trash!!
Im in this situation right non deciding... But first i need the money..
Go for the R8 if you don't need IBIS. Go with the R7 if you plan to make money with the camera.
Thanks for the comment!
@@TMVVisualMedia il stick with my M50 mark ii right now i dont need to change.. but if i find a good bargain i will buy an used R8...
M50 is good. It's the first camera I had that made me enough money to buy the R6.
Love the m50.
So the R8 is not good for still imageS in your oppinion?
I think the R8 will be great for stills. I think it won't perform very well for handheld video without IBIS. The footage will be shaky if it's not stabilized.
It's a good camera. Im actually going to buy it for myself after a few more paid jobs.
It has a wonderful sensor though.
Does this mean a batch upload tutorial soon? 😏
I was thinking about doing it this weekend! Thanks for the comment.
What is the exact release date of the r8?
Canon USA is taking pre orders now.
These sorts of releases never have fixed dates because the pre orders get priority and will likely not be available for walk in purchases for several weeks after they are commercially available. April 18th is the date that I see them arriving.
Again, it's tough to say an exact date. And then that's not considering any logistical issues that always come up with a product like this. Unless its preordered, don't expect to get one for at least a month.
You may be able to find a random shop that may have one. But most retailers are certified canon sellers so they operate with the same limitations as the bigger stores.
I hope that helps.
@@TMVVisualMedia Thank you for your answer, it helped me a lot. I was confused that i could'nt find a specific release date. I live in Germany and will pre order the R8 soon. I hope i will get it by May because i am planning to take a Trip to norway.
That would be a great camera to use.
@@TMVVisualMedia Yes, I think so too. I still have one question though. Does the R8 suit my needs better than the R7? I mainly want to shoot Videos of Landscapes and maybe do some vlogging, so a full frame camera would be better for me right ? I am not really interested in wildlife photography or things like that. I can live with the non-existent IBIS in the R8 because I will mainly be filming with a gimbal and the small battery doesn't bother me too much, because I'll just carry several batteries with me. I watched your Video which helped me a lot with my decision to go with the r8 but i would appreciate your personal opinion.
Thank you so much it is very nice to have creators like you who help their community 👍
I think the R8 is going to be a better camera in the long run.
I would start looking into lenses. Depending on your budget. You should look into some info about that. I have plenty of lenses that I have made little reviews on. But let me know if you need some help.
Off the top of my head, I would recommend a stabilized lens and then a wide angle lens.
Over all though a full frame camera is going to be a great entry level camera for anyone getting into video.
Happy to help.
Well obviously I haven't used the R8 yet. I did own and compare the R7 with the R6 M2 extensively for 3 days. I was mostly focused on continuous shooting autofocus. The R6M2 blow the R7 out of the water. Subject tracking was much stickier hardly any back focus which is very prevalent in the R7. I had worked exclusively with jammin on the R7 performance concerns. Perhaps they've been a software update by now. But I sold the R7 and went with the R6M2. My point is is that the R8 having the exact same sensor and software as the R6M2 will be my new travel and B camera. Love your thoughts on you testing.
The R6 m2 is a beast. Arguably Canons best camera. In my opinion. I'm excited to try the updated R5. Thanks for the comment by the way. I recently got my hands on an R8 at a local shop that was demo-ing it. Kinda small in the hand.
The R8 will also be great though. I think it's going to sell like crazy. It may not be available to buy walk-in for a while.
@@TMVVisualMedia I love the weight and ergonomics of the R7.. For the r10 was just way too small and feels crappy in the hand. Did the camera feel more like the R10 or RP or R7? I just don't want to feel like it's crappy
I have to admit that it felt better in the hand than the R10 and R7. But the R8 was kinda light. Very similar feeling to the R7 I think. I don't know the exact weight off the top of my head of the R7.
For some reason, I attribute weight to higher quality. Kinda like when you pick up a hefty tool. It feels more premium. Or when you pick up a nice pair of sun glasses that have a little weight. It's hard to explain.
So the R8 felt light in the hand. But I also own the R6 and the R5. Both of those cameras fill the hand and have a super premium feel to them.
I may have mentioned in the video that I'm considering the R8 as a C - cam that will live fixed on my desk for talking heads.
Its also awesome for the videographer that is just getting started. The R8 will sell like crazy.
Let me know what you decide though. I'm curious to see what people create with the camera.
@@TMVVisualMedia thanks for the reply and meantime I got my hands on an x100v and using that for my upcoming trip to Washington d.c.. based on the release date of the R8 and won't be in until the middle of my trip. If feels more like the R7 great but if it feels like the r10 that's going to be a big-time problem.
Enjoy your trip! I went to DC last year. A lot of things to photograph.
Consider adding me on social media so I may see some of your work.
Why not Nikon Z??
Because I like the Canon ecosystem.
Personal preference.
Thanks for the comment!
Kit lenses are very good value for money if bought in the - ehm - kit 😂
Thanks for the comment!
Agree they are cheaper than buying them separately. I think they have to be bundled with a "kit" Because it's the only way they can sell them.
R8 or R7? I bought a Lumix S5 IIx 😬 note: Canon shooter for over 12 years
Very cool. Is that the Lumix with the open gate sensor?
@@TMVVisualMedia yes it is
this is a bad comparison. Full frame vs APS-C. I think $1499 for this camera is a steal compare to R6 II or R3 for AF system. 😀😀😀
Thanks for your opinion.
The comparison is mostly based around the confusion same price.
Thanks for your input!
I think the R7 is a reference to the 7D but now they’re trying to lit too many ff bodies in and don’t know what to call them all.
Thanks for the comment!
I'm not sure who there numbering guy is but it seems to be all over the place. 😆
I have to comment --- the recommendation not to get the kits lens for me destroyed the credibility of this video.... the RF-S 18-150mm lens is the reincarnation of the EF-M 18-150mm lens for the M series... both lenses are probably the best superzoom Canon has ever made ---- very versatile, sharp for a zoom of this range, and a great focal length range. If I had to own an R7 and could only own one lens, absolutely that's the lens I would choose. Plus it's a great price when purchased with the body as a kit.
Thank you for your opinion!
Respectfully I disagree. I appreciate your comment though!
@@TMVVisualMedia Hear me out here. Calling a lens 'absolute trash' is a very strong comment, and quite unprofessional, unless you back it up or qualify your statement carefully. Maybe it's 'trash' for a demanding product photographer looking for a good low-light prime lens to shoot with in a studio, but for daytime and general use in a variety of situations the 18-150 is a very good - even arguably an excellent - all-rounder lens, depending on your needs. My experience (and that of others, based on reviews, forums, and many responses posted here to your video) are more balanced. Many photographers find the 18-150 to be a good and useful lens for their purposes. I would encourage you to choose your words more carefully.
I appreciate the encouragement. But I have considered my words very carefully and I stand by my statements.
In content creation I have learned to respect other peoples opinion in hopes that they may respect mine. It is ok to disagree.
My experience with all kit lenses is that they are trash. And im not referring to the people that use them nor am I referring to the people that can only afford kit lenses. I'm referring to the company. Canon and Sony and other brands can do a better job with providing better options at a reasonable price to kits. But they choose not to they choose to provide very limiting zooms in the hopes you buy an absurdly priced lenses. Have you noticed their are no mid tier lens options that are native to any camera brand. They are all sub 500 dollars or +1500 dollars. They pigeon hole you intentionally.
When I was first starting out I wish someone had been direct with me and had educated me on how limiting variable aperture lenses really were. At least for my use cases.
I started with photography with one goal in mind. I wanted to make money with my gear. I have learned that for a very similar price you can get a budget prime that is vastly superior to any variable zoom lens.
Once again, I appreciate you comment and your opinion. I believe it's ok to disagree.
Where may we find your work online I would love to see your photography. Feel free to share your handle.