Thank you for this. It feels like an inside look I have only glimpsed at playing the games. The improvements you have made since your beginnings are astounding. Well done!
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On one hand I like the idea of the Qun, on the other I don't like how they act sometimes. I guess it just shows that no matter what kind of religion real or fictional, it can't be perfect.
The most epic video on youtube at the moment. Please continue! With Dragon Age Inquisition almost upon us we all need a history lesson or two. Amazing job you guys!
Wow. Just wow. This doesn't have anything to do with this video, but this was the most recent one, so I wanted to do it here. I remember subscribing to you when you started season two of the elder scrolls series, and that the fallout series was just beginning. I remember thinking: wow, this is such an underrated channel! Its unfortunate that he will probaly not be able to keep this up, because lore isn't a very popular subject (though I love it). I stopped watching you for about a year for no reason, and now I see how you have grown. Im really happy for you, and I hope you will keep this up!
Thanks for this perfect sereis I already watched all skyrim lore last year I guess, you guys are really amazing you should take an award or something, keep it up guys
Thank you Shoddy, I have a much better understanding of the religion and faiths of DA now! This was the first episode where I felt like the proverbial $#!T is about to hit the fan and I actually understood why. Again, it all comes down to religion. ie; "Inquisition".
The tevinter imperium caused the most pain as they created darkspawn thus causing the blights whuch is very naughty. Another good episode. Good to refresh leading up to inquisition!
Well, I think it's interesting when comparing the Magisters-turned-Darkspawn to militant religious groups like ISIS or Al Queda. Both have an understanding that their God's are not very... "good" per-say, yet they follow them anyways out of fear of punishment or expectation of divine reward. It's an excellent commentary on how some people do not understand morality; what it means to be good or bad, only bribery or consequence. Granted, morality differs on a person by person and cultural basis, though there are many virtues that are shared across the majority of them. There. I brought the gasoline. Now all we need is a spark.
Someguy029 its to my understanding that there isn't an "all good" god in religion, nor an "all evil" god. I.e. god is a god and the devil is a god. I believe to best example are Greek gods
My theory is that Fen'Harel is in fact, the entity known as the Maker. The Tevinter Magister Corypheus claimed that the Golden City was already corrupted when they arrived, and if true, the implications of this could be massive.
What I find weird is why Corypheus still seems to think the Old Gods actually like him. Dumat outright lied to him and brought him to the Golden City, which was already corrupted. This, in turn, corrupts Man and creates the First Darkspawn. It begs the interesting question of what corrupted the Golden City to begin with (unless it's always been corrupt) as well as a query as to why Corypheus would still be a faithful servant to them. The Tevinter Mages seem to be representative of what I dislike about some modern Religions, in which militant groups are fully aware that the Gods they worship are not good, yet they continue to worship based on fear of punishment or promise of reward. Or perhaps I'm reading too much into it. Maybe the original Dark Spawn already knew that the City was corrupted and went in regardless? That would make them pretty scummy. :P
Someguy029 Ultimately you have to figure out how much you can actually value the words of someone who's been a Darkspawn for over 1,000 years. While he may not think he's lying, The Taint does have a tendency to make someone somewhat unreliable.
It seams to me that Corypheus' conscious mind was stuck in the past, right when the magisters entered the golden city right before their corruption. This is why when you wake him, he is utterly confused as to how much time has past and what is going on. His unconscious mind, however, is very much controlled by the taint and is constantly calling for others with the taint. This is why he still thinks he's on the Old God's good side. Also, it is not known if the Golden City was corrupt before the magisters got there or was corrupted by them entering it. The Chantry would have us believe the later, but there are no details to say otherwise.
To be 100% honest, I'm not even entirely sure that Dumat actually deceived his followers... at least not intentionally. In all the research I've done regarding the game's lore, I've only found one thing saying that Dumat intentionally led the magisters to "golden" city in order to create the Darkspawn. And it doesn't outright say that he did; just that some ancient lore claims he did. Very big difference. I know the Chantry says that he did it to try to overthrow the Maker, but can the Chantry be trusted not to be biased in that regard given their history with the Magisters? Not to mention that Corypheus mentioned the city being tainted on their arrival. That contradicts Chantry lore. Plus I don't really get his motivation if he did. I mean, he essentially turned his worshipers into predominately souless drones of destruction (rather odd for a god to do, since Gods normally like reverence and praise). The few that are intelligent enough to actually think and communicate outside of the hive mind of the darkspawn either go insane with desire to return to the hive or are actively working to sever the Darkspawn from the call of the Old Gods (the one exception to both being Corypheus and he wasn't really around long enough to fully evaluate his mental state). I suppose one could make the case that he created them in order to free him from the prison he was placed in, but again, we're not entirely sure that everything we're told about the Old Gods is fact and not merely Chantry propaganda. We don't even know for a fact that it actually was the old gods these mages were talking to and not demons masquerading as them. And even if we accept the entire story as true, there's still the fact that the taint also warps the Old God, turning him into a twisted herald of destruction as well. Sounds like an unusual fate for a God to willingly condemn himself to. Again, a lot of what we get of Dragon Age history is filtered through the lens of the Andrastian Chantry, and that presents it's own biases (The Maker is said to be the person who imprisoned the old gods to begin with). You know what they say about history being written by the victors... Frankly, I'm not sure what to believe about Dumat and the Old Gods... Especially with Inquisition on the way, which looks like it's going to flip everything we know about religious lore on it's head. What I do know however is that it's definitely more of a grey area than this video implied (my only real issue with the video).
SamtheReb 69 But what reason did he have to do so? Additionally, don't forget that the fade use to be part of the physical world. It was Solas that separated them. Perhaps the black city was something Solas put there.
Pfft! "Peace?" The Chantry? All I hear when they open their pie holes is "kill", "die", "subjugate". I'm calling it! The Maker is actually one of the Old Gods!
***** It's pretty certain the old gods are real in some sense considering the Calling that leads the darkspawn to search for them. Also if you've played the franchise you'd know how short-sighted humans are; them getting a hold of magic just shows how unworthy they were to know of the same secrets as the elves was just asking for trouble since everything humans see they either destroy or conquer. Long live the Elvhenan!
NeoDragonCount More likely they are just puppets. Their Maker is Mythal. I bet that's what it is. Elven gods seal away Old Gods, Old Gods get revenge by luring humans into elf lands with promise of power, lead them to the Gold City, and let it corrupt them to create the darkspawn that in turn unseal the Old Gods. The ultimate revenge, having creatures that worship you destroy you and your chosen people...in your name.
The Andraste Chantry does kind of remind me of the Catholic church in the middle ages. Massive in size, power and trying to get into everyone's business ;).
Really appreciate the work you put into your videos :) Question: Do you write the text for the videos yourself and just follow the instructions of Lady Insanity or does she write all the the text?
I agree with the Chantry religion it makes most sense to me plus the magisters corrupting the golden city makes sense the heaven automatically being corrupted when they got their so they wouldn't know if it was golden or not plus this like mother giselle said lies they must tell themselves that instead believeing they have earned the scorn of the maker plus the old gods were just very powerful beings bending men to their will
The big question about the old god is: Was Dumat corrupted into an Archfiend before Dumat started speaking to the Mages? If so what power, force or being Corrupted Dumat? And if not What did Dumat hope to gain in a city that was seemingly blackened before the mages entered?
We don't honestly know. Everything regarding Dumat and the Old Gods is hearsay. The Chantry has their own opinion, but at the same time, so do the ancient magisters. And Tevinter. But I dare say that the magic shown in the Last Flight is indicative of why the Darkspawn blood is so unique and so terrifyingly important...and may involve the why the most powerful demons don't try and reach the Black City. But man is willing to make the risk.
lumpyspacecadet But would he know? Corypheus was tricked into entering the Black City and corrupted thus made a lackey of whatever force is behind the corruption. I think the only way to find out would be to go back to the source, the black city itself.
felt a little short would have been nice if you highlighted the orlesian and imperial chantry split as it is sorta a big deal and just plain cool as always great vid keep it up
Personally, I think the elven gods were ancient elven mages, perhaps some of the earliest elves. Maybe Mythal's pool was a way to communicate while they were in that deep elven sleep. Maybe the forgotten ones were other elves or the old gods of the tevinter imperium.
When Corypheus called for power in the Legacy DLC in the name of Dumat, something gave it to him. That, or it was just show and he's just uber-powerful on his own, which is also reasonable.
***** Scientific and technological progress require freedom, imagination, and ambition to be allowed to flourish. The Qun allows for none of these things.
Andraste is basically a cheap copy of St. Alessia from TES, As a character, Alessia predates Andraste and was basically the same thing: a religious woman who led a rebellion against corrupt mage-led overlords. In Alessia's case, it was the Ayleids (heartland high elves), but unlike Andraste's followers, they did not become afraid of mages. Even the Daedra were kept at bay far better than the demons (not to be confused with darkspawn) of Dragon Age, and mages aren't automatic targets for possession in TES.
There is a single mistake. Dumat didn't trick the magisters, the Maker punished them for entering his city, cursing them and corrupting them with there own sins.
Warden Wing Dumat tricked the magisters into entering the city promising it would make them gods but the moment they touched the city it was corrupted by their greed and turned into the Black City. As punishment the Maker cast them back down as corrupted reflections of themselves creating the first Darkspawn is the Chantry story which they should have told in this video. However in the Legacy DLC for Dragon Age II Corypheus reveals that the city was already Black and they contracted the taint when they entered the city not as Divine punishment.
Actually, seeing that Shartan was one of Andraste's disciples, and that she herself swayed many from worship of the Old Gods. The Chantry was not purely the result of human effort, but elven as well. But after the Imperium was defeated, the elves turned their back on the religion they helped create, and became reclusive isolationists, due to their greed and longing for the wondrous powers they once held in Elvhenan, instead of trying to adapt to a new world. I used to think that the humans were all to blame for the fall of the Dales, and while the Chantry's punishment for the Elven race certainly is still terrible, the elves are as much at blame for their fall.
Honestly this is one of the reasons I loved Dragon Age: Inquisition, the religious questions really hit home for me. (My Inquisitor was quite religious) While I love TES(more than DA) it could never hit that immersive religious feeling I got from DA, mainly due to TES being pagan.
I wouldn't believe in the Maker if my life depended on it. It demands too much, is too dogmatic and is too intangible for anyone, even its own worshippers. The Old Gods are powerful, but too deceptive to my liking. Dragons can be tricky after all. The Qun may relieve anxiety to those who are part of it, even non-Kossith beings, but those who don't understand it end up being victims. Notable Qunari are Sten a vanguard soldier and the mercenary Hissrad known to others as Iron Bull. The Stone is much more palpable and interesting in my perspective. Something you feel and become part of upon death is quite touching. As for the Elven Pantheon or Evanuris, the stories may be cool, but they are fairytales at best and the very foundations of them are falsified to a large extent. Thanks to Trespasser, the truth is now more abundantly clear.
What I want to find out about in Inquisition: if you play as a Dwarf, who is from a clan who 'weakened the Stone', will we learn more about that? Because as straight forward as their religion is, Dwarves like Varric--he can't be the only one--reject it all together; in DA2 he even seemed to hate it. So as psyched I am learning about the Qunari, I feel like I know less about the Dwarves; even with all the codex entries and two origin stories and two party members. Maybe because they don't even know who they are anymore like Elves.
The Maker will come down and create a "paradise" if the world is untied under one banner for peace? Might have spoiled what could be the ending or surprise part of DAI
Why is the Chantry in Orlais? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the headquarters in Fereldan? You know where Andraste was born, lived, and fought to free her people. Does no one find that weird?
We must alll submit to the Qun, there will be no peace until you learn to be happy with the role you have in society, one must not strive for happiness that will most likely bring you missfortune and dissapointment. Anaan esaam Qun!
Ashe | Lady Insanity You'll give it back when it matters, I think your friendship meter is blue enough, if not, I will hunt you down and bring you back to Par Vollen myself (don't worry, we're just role playing).
I'm surprised so many people like these lore videos tbh... While I can tell the creators are putting a lot of effort into these where's the depth? The Elder Scrolls lore videos on this channel are good because they go very in depth on the Elder Scrolls lore and only go quickly go over the basic lore as a reminder and to set the scene. This lore series however is focusing solely on the extremely basic lore that anyone who's played the game for more than a hour should already know making them extremely uninteresting. I guess this is because the focus of this lore series is to get people who haven't played Dragon Age to try it but I have to ask who watches lore videos on games they don't play? Aren't lore videos usually something people look at once they have put a lot of time into a game world and want to expand on their knowledge of it? And if you had never played the Elder Scrolls would watching a lore video on it even interest you at all? Nevertheless I feel I must say that I do respect the effort put into the videos despite finding them uninteresting..
***** There's plenty of lore for them to go off for creating more in depth Dragon age lore videos. Take this religion section... This section doesn't even include all the different religions in Thedas and barely even skims the beliefs of the religions it does go over. They could of went into depth into how the religions formed and what they are actually about as well as historical religious events. I am not even a massive Dragon Age fan and I could easily find 15mins worth of lore to go over on each specific religion on Thedas. Whereas they try and skim over the whole topic in like 6mins...
I get the feeling from this series that it is more of a advertisement for dragon age inquisition, and a refresher of what's going on than anything else.
the Dragon age series is based on making you make your own opinions and theories about the lore if you will ready any part of the lore or play any of the games you will see that its never good and evil its you who choose what to believe + its only now starting to answer some questions after DAI trespasser
The Qun has the best effect on Thedas. Why? Because which is better 7 or 1? If you chose 7 you are incorrect. 7=7 different religions fighting for their own beliefs 1=1 Nation under 1 religion. Thank you based Qun
the chantry sucks, i mean they should not care what the other mortal races warship or believe that just makes them no better then tavinter . So ShoddyCast i think, no offence but i think the chantry is the one that cause chaos because 1 they tried to make all elve worship the maker.
The way the Qun is adressed in this video is a little biased. The qunari don't view it as a religion. It could also be interpreted as a philosophy or a government system. And the statement that it's a threat to Thedas is reallly out of place. Why is the Qun more threatening than the expansion of Orlais or Tevinter? I think this video suffers from fictional xenophobia :P
Well it kinda is. It's a religion in the sense that it has a priesthood whose entire job revolves around studying the Qun and how the more vague subjects address things the Qun never encountered before. Same way religions in the real world try to interpret things their sacred texts never touched on.
Maybe you are right. But the same Qun also is constituted by workers, warriors, spies, etc. As the wiki puts it, "The Qun is a philosophy, a set of laws, a legislative guide, and a social architecture governing the Qunari." Also, it's not necessarily a worse kind of society, as the dialogues with Iron Bull try to demonstrate. It's ust a different one.
Despite the comparisons made between Islam and the Qun, it kinda sounds more like Confucianism. Though the other characteristics of the Qunari are like the Islamic empires
They all have their flaws. The chantry lies and twists historical events for the benefit of worshiping the maker. The Elves pride was their own downfall, the dwarves are probably the most sturdy but much too conservative to move forward. I would have a lot more respect for the qunari if they would piss off and stop trying to convert everyone. But these flaws make the dragon age universe that much more interesting imo.
Hexen agreed. The Qunari suck ass lol. They keep tryna invade single littke cities and lose every time. They need to just go back to their little rock they call a nation lol
As the inquisitor i am going to ban worship of the maker and let all mages roam free and seal all non mages inside a tower. if i could do that which we all know we cant lol
6 chapters and they still sound like robots.... why can't this series have wonderful voices like the other series? otherwise, great stuff, the voices just make it sound terrible
No? more like communism? or something of that sort? more atheistic based on empirical reasoning n need to say that sentients create order not that nature is already in order itself?
Spoiler Alert: By the time the game starts, the Chantry has lost the bulk of it's power as both the Templars and the Circle have forsaken it. They are now no more powerful than the Catholic Church is today. So I don't know why this video says it's the most powerful, if this is suppose to educate people for DA:I.
I have to say, I'm disappointed in this lore series. The others, Elder Scrolls and Fallout, are fantastic! They go into great depth, and provide great information about the worlds these games take place in. This one however only goes skin deep and have a lot of errors, (I will admit, this one seemed better than some of the previous ones). While the elder scrolls and fallout series may have had their errors, the lore went deep enough that it was not obvious unless you happened to read some obscure book in the game. The errors in the dragon age series are things that even if you played the game for the action and didn't really pay attention to the story, you would probably pick up on. And the depth of the lore is just not there. Everything covered so far I can pick up just by playing the game in a very straight forward manner, the exception to this is anything to do with inquisition, but I expect that it will be the same. The other Lore Series were great because they cover things that you wouldn't know unless you went through the world and read every book you could find and talked to every NPC you ran into. I feel that this series could have been done much better, with longer, more in depth content, and some fact checking. Right now, it feels like it is nothing more than a marketing ploy, an advertisement for Dragon Age Inquisition.
Kevin Burgess yea cool your christian but don't describe the other shit as shit religion is shit but beliving in something bigger is great and all if you want whatever
The Chantry=biggest load of murderer's, slaver's and hypocrite's Thedas will ever see. Andraste freed the elves. The Chantry (Andraste's apparent follower's) butcher the Dalish due to the trivial fact of the fact they worship a different god *gasp* a different race worshipping their own god?? BLASPHEMY!! and force what elves they could into alienage's. Yeah, following the teaching's of Andraste really well there, aren't you Chantry? fucking asshole's. Not to mention the inhumane imprisoning of mage's. Really hope we can seriously cripple the Chantry and Templars in DA:I
Very original response. I just think Dragon Age doesn't have the most interesting lore. It rips from a bunch of different fantasy tropes. I love Shoddycast and the professionalism and quality of the videos, but it's wasted on Dragon Age. It would be sick if they eventually did 40k lore. 40k has MUCH more rich and original lore. Too much, maybe.
W Scott I like VoT, but it's video presentation is lacking. Just a series of pictures. Shoddycast has the whole package in lore presentation and could really do 40k justice, visually.
Samuel Passow Meh, there's a lot of people doing 40k lore videos if you dig deep enough into youtube, what I don't see a whole lot of are Warhammer Fantasy lore videos, which personally I feel would fit more with Shoodycast's theme.
Thank you for this. It feels like an inside look I have only glimpsed at playing the games. The improvements you have made since your beginnings are astounding. Well done!
"Managing" mages really sums up the Chantry's position, great writing again :)
Question of the Week: Which religion has caused the most pain on Thedas? The most good?
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The worst religion on Thedas has been the church of the atom. Yes, fucking confessor Cromwell can now cross universes, so watch out boys.
Yay. Now we can have flame wars about fake religions too. Woohoo!
The old gods did caused the most pain without a doubt.
As for who did the most good, it really up to debate.
On one hand I like the idea of the Qun, on the other I don't like how they act sometimes. I guess it just shows that no matter what kind of religion real or fictional, it can't be perfect.
The Chantry's god, for the same reason that any omnimax god is responsible for all the problems in the world.
The most epic video on youtube at the moment. Please continue! With Dragon Age Inquisition almost upon us we all need a history lesson or two.
Amazing job you guys!
Wow. Just wow. This doesn't have anything to do with this video, but this was the most recent one, so I wanted to do it here. I remember subscribing to you when you started season two of the elder scrolls series, and that the fallout series was just beginning. I remember thinking: wow, this is such an underrated channel! Its unfortunate that he will probaly not be able to keep this up, because lore isn't a very popular subject (though I love it). I stopped watching you for about a year for no reason, and now I see how you have grown. Im really happy for you, and I hope you will keep this up!
Thanks for this perfect sereis I already watched all skyrim lore last year I guess, you guys are really amazing you should take an award or something, keep it up guys
Thank you Shoddy, I have a much better understanding of the religion and faiths of DA now! This was the first episode where I felt like the proverbial $#!T is about to hit the fan and I actually understood why. Again, it all comes down to religion. ie; "Inquisition".
You should also thank Ashe Lady Insanity
Hey guys, just quick thank you for the super awesome work you guys do. Just started playing Inquisition and finding this most helpful. THANK YOU
The tevinter imperium caused the most pain as they created darkspawn thus causing the blights whuch is very naughty. Another good episode. Good to refresh leading up to inquisition!
Someone will start a debate about real-world religion here, just watch. This is TH-cam after all. I'll be bloody impressed if it doesn't happen.
Well, I think it's interesting when comparing the Magisters-turned-Darkspawn to militant religious groups like ISIS or Al Queda. Both have an understanding that their God's are not very... "good" per-say, yet they follow them anyways out of fear of punishment or expectation of divine reward. It's an excellent commentary on how some people do not understand morality; what it means to be good or bad, only bribery or consequence. Granted, morality differs on a person by person and cultural basis, though there are many virtues that are shared across the majority of them.
There. I brought the gasoline. Now all we need is a spark.
Someguy029 Potato
Someguy029 its to my understanding that there isn't an "all good" god in religion, nor an "all evil" god. I.e. god is a god and the devil is a god. I believe to best example are Greek gods
Someguy029 *Drops Lit Match* LET THE WORLD BURN
Nope. You're the only one kanker =P
I'm so happy there's no debate about real world religion
My theory is that Fen'Harel is in fact, the entity known as the Maker. The Tevinter Magister Corypheus claimed that the Golden City was already corrupted when they arrived, and if true, the implications of this could be massive.
What I find weird is why Corypheus still seems to think the Old Gods actually like him. Dumat outright lied to him and brought him to the Golden City, which was already corrupted. This, in turn, corrupts Man and creates the First Darkspawn. It begs the interesting question of what corrupted the Golden City to begin with (unless it's always been corrupt) as well as a query as to why Corypheus would still be a faithful servant to them. The Tevinter Mages seem to be representative of what I dislike about some modern Religions, in which militant groups are fully aware that the Gods they worship are not good, yet they continue to worship based on fear of punishment or promise of reward. Or perhaps I'm reading too much into it. Maybe the original Dark Spawn already knew that the City was corrupted and went in regardless? That would make them pretty scummy. :P
Someguy029 Ultimately you have to figure out how much you can actually value the words of someone who's been a Darkspawn for over 1,000 years. While he may not think he's lying, The Taint does have a tendency to make someone somewhat unreliable.
It seams to me that Corypheus' conscious mind was stuck in the past, right when the magisters entered the golden city right before their corruption. This is why when you wake him, he is utterly confused as to how much time has past and what is going on. His unconscious mind, however, is very much controlled by the taint and is constantly calling for others with the taint. This is why he still thinks he's on the Old God's good side.
Also, it is not known if the Golden City was corrupt before the magisters got there or was corrupted by them entering it. The Chantry would have us believe the later, but there are no details to say otherwise.
To be 100% honest, I'm not even entirely sure that Dumat actually deceived his followers... at least not intentionally. In all the research I've done regarding the game's lore, I've only found one thing saying that Dumat intentionally led the magisters to "golden" city in order to create the Darkspawn. And it doesn't outright say that he did; just that some ancient lore claims he did. Very big difference. I know the Chantry says that he did it to try to overthrow the Maker, but can the Chantry be trusted not to be biased in that regard given their history with the Magisters? Not to mention that Corypheus mentioned the city being tainted on their arrival. That contradicts Chantry lore.
Plus I don't really get his motivation if he did. I mean, he essentially turned his worshipers into predominately souless drones of destruction (rather odd for a god to do, since Gods normally like reverence and praise). The few that are intelligent enough to actually think and communicate outside of the hive mind of the darkspawn either go insane with desire to return to the hive or are actively working to sever the Darkspawn from the call of the Old Gods (the one exception to both being Corypheus and he wasn't really around long enough to fully evaluate his mental state). I suppose one could make the case that he created them in order to free him from the prison he was placed in, but again, we're not entirely sure that everything we're told about the Old Gods is fact and not merely Chantry propaganda. We don't even know for a fact that it actually was the old gods these mages were talking to and not demons masquerading as them. And even if we accept the entire story as true, there's still the fact that the taint also warps the Old God, turning him into a twisted herald of destruction as well. Sounds like an unusual fate for a God to willingly condemn himself to. Again, a lot of what we get of Dragon Age history is filtered through the lens of the Andrastian Chantry, and that presents it's own biases (The Maker is said to be the person who imprisoned the old gods to begin with). You know what they say about history being written by the victors...
Frankly, I'm not sure what to believe about Dumat and the Old Gods... Especially with Inquisition on the way, which looks like it's going to flip everything we know about religious lore on it's head. What I do know however is that it's definitely more of a grey area than this video implied (my only real issue with the video).
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Fun fact: The old gods were all high dragons, meaning they were all female.
SamtheReb 69 But what reason did he have to do so? Additionally, don't forget that the fade use to be part of the physical world. It was Solas that separated them. Perhaps the black city was something Solas put there.
Saw the title of the video and thought,"Oh god the comment section." Was surprised to not see a flame war.
Pfft! "Peace?" The Chantry? All I hear when they open their pie holes is "kill", "die", "subjugate".
I'm calling it! The Maker is actually one of the Old Gods!
That would be pretty good.
***** I'm more pro-elven gods myself.
***** It's pretty certain the old gods are real in some sense considering the Calling that leads the darkspawn to search for them.
Also if you've played the franchise you'd know how short-sighted humans are; them getting a hold of magic just shows how unworthy they were to know of the same secrets as the elves was just asking for trouble since everything humans see they either destroy or conquer. Long live the Elvhenan!
NeoDragonCount
More likely they are just puppets. Their Maker is Mythal. I bet that's what it is. Elven gods seal away Old Gods, Old Gods get revenge by luring humans into elf lands with promise of power, lead them to the Gold City, and let it corrupt them to create the darkspawn that in turn unseal the Old Gods. The ultimate revenge, having creatures that worship you destroy you and your chosen people...in your name.
Lightscribe225
Have I stated how much I LOVE this franchise? :)
No debating on real world religions in the comment section? I think I just entered.....The Twilight Zone.
I am quite surprised as well. Maybe people found that subject quite irrelevant to this video? Impressive to say the least.
CHRISTIANITY - GO!
Ashe | Lady Insanity lol look at you Ashe... trying to stir up trouble ;)
Ashe | Lady Insanity
When talking about the Andraste Chantry you almost might as well be talking about Christianity...
The Andraste Chantry does kind of remind me of the Catholic church in the middle ages. Massive in size, power and trying to get into everyone's business ;).
Really appreciate the work you put into your videos :) Question: Do you write the text for the videos yourself and just follow the instructions of Lady Insanity or does she write all the the text?
I wrote all of the scripts. The awesome people at Shoddycast produced the rest.
+Ashe | Lady Insanity nice job
I agree with the Chantry religion it makes most sense to me plus the magisters corrupting the golden city makes sense the heaven automatically being corrupted when they got their so they wouldn't know if it was golden or not plus this like mother giselle said lies they must tell themselves that instead believeing they have earned the scorn of the maker plus the old gods were just very powerful beings bending men to their will
These videos are fucking amazing. The narration is better then most televised documentaries. Keep it going!
No Imperial Chantry? The Archon is most displeased.
The big question about the old god is: Was Dumat corrupted into an Archfiend before Dumat started speaking to the Mages? If so what power, force or being Corrupted Dumat? And if not What did Dumat hope to gain in a city that was seemingly blackened before the mages entered?
We don't honestly know. Everything regarding Dumat and the Old Gods is hearsay. The Chantry has their own opinion, but at the same time, so do the ancient magisters. And Tevinter. But I dare say that the magic shown in the Last Flight is indicative of why the Darkspawn blood is so unique and so terrifyingly important...and may involve the why the most powerful demons don't try and reach the Black City. But man is willing to make the risk.
Good point, so I guess then the burning question is still; What the blood-soaked hell are the Darkspawn exactly?
We need to ask good old Corypheus about that.
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But would he know? Corypheus was tricked into entering the Black City and corrupted thus made a lackey of whatever force is behind the corruption. I think the only way to find out would be to go back to the source, the black city itself.
Two weeks from today! Here I come inquisition!
felt a little short would have been nice if you highlighted the orlesian and imperial chantry split as it is sorta a big deal and just plain cool as always great vid keep it up
Oh man, I don't know if it would happen, but it would be so epic if we could go to the corrupted Golden City.
I personally prefer the Chantry. It's teachings are good when put into practice. What do the rest of you think?
so pumped for inquisition started playing origins and dragon age 2 again i just swap between the 2 though i enjoy 2 more
The Trickster God of the Elves is likely the Maker to humans since they arrive to face the elves around the same time as his turning on them.
So uh... what's the name of that dalish song at the end there? Twas very pretty and very dragon age-esque (obviously lol).
No entry for the Imperial Chantry
No entry for Rivian past religion
No entry on the Chassind and their religion.
Personally, I think the elven gods were ancient elven mages, perhaps some of the earliest elves. Maybe Mythal's pool was a way to communicate while they were in that deep elven sleep. Maybe the forgotten ones were other elves or the old gods of the tevinter imperium.
When Corypheus called for power in the Legacy DLC in the name of Dumat, something gave it to him.
That, or it was just show and he's just uber-powerful on his own, which is also reasonable.
Thank you! The Qun!
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Scientific and technological progress require freedom, imagination, and ambition to be allowed to flourish. The Qun allows for none of these things.
Andraste is basically a cheap copy of St. Alessia from TES, As a character, Alessia predates Andraste and was basically the same thing: a religious woman who led a rebellion against corrupt mage-led overlords. In Alessia's case, it was the Ayleids (heartland high elves), but unlike Andraste's followers, they did not become afraid of mages. Even the Daedra were kept at bay far better than the demons (not to be confused with darkspawn) of Dragon Age, and mages aren't automatic targets for possession in TES.
Does anyone know the name of the ending song?
How have I only just come across this series?!
Feeling's mutual, I'm way late for the party.
Is that song at the end in Elven? I thought I heard the word "lethalin" amongst others
What is the name of the Outro song again? I forgot.
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Thank you!
Thank you sir!
I've been looking for a sacred answer such as you'res for a long time, glad to have found it.
What song is that playing at the end of the video?
WHAT MUSIC DO YOU GUYS USE FOR THESE?! IT'S BEAUTIFUL!!!
There is a single mistake. Dumat didn't trick the magisters, the Maker punished them for entering his city, cursing them and corrupting them with there own sins.
Warden Wing You should check out the Legacy DLC for Dragon Age II. :D
what do you mean? Ive played through it many times and I dont remember ever hearing about Dumat tricking the magisters.
Warden Wing Dumat tricked the magisters into entering the city promising it would make them gods but the moment they touched the city it was corrupted by their greed and turned into the Black City. As punishment the Maker cast them back down as corrupted reflections of themselves creating the first Darkspawn is the Chantry story which they should have told in this video. However in the Legacy DLC for Dragon Age II Corypheus reveals that the city was already Black and they contracted the taint when they entered the city not as Divine punishment.
Man this needs to be updated Dragon Age Inquisition at so much lower like the black divine that was in the to tventure Imperium and stuff
Actually, seeing that Shartan was one of Andraste's disciples, and that she herself swayed many from worship of the Old Gods. The Chantry was not purely the result of human effort, but elven as well. But after the Imperium was defeated, the elves turned their back on the religion they helped create, and became reclusive isolationists, due to their greed and longing for the wondrous powers they once held in Elvhenan, instead of trying to adapt to a new world. I used to think that the humans were all to blame for the fall of the Dales, and while the Chantry's punishment for the Elven race certainly is still terrible, the elves are as much at blame for their fall.
Honestly this is one of the reasons I loved Dragon Age: Inquisition, the religious questions really hit home for me. (My Inquisitor was quite religious)
While I love TES(more than DA) it could never hit that immersive religious feeling I got from DA, mainly due to TES being pagan.
You forgot the Imperial Chantry.
This is awesome!
Whats the song at the end called?
I wouldn't believe in the Maker if my life depended on it. It demands too much, is too dogmatic and is too intangible for anyone, even its own worshippers. The Old Gods are powerful, but too deceptive to my liking. Dragons can be tricky after all. The Qun may relieve anxiety to those who are part of it, even non-Kossith beings, but those who don't understand it end up being victims. Notable Qunari are Sten a vanguard soldier and the mercenary Hissrad known to others as Iron Bull. The Stone is much more palpable and interesting in my perspective. Something you feel and become part of upon death is quite touching. As for the Elven Pantheon or Evanuris, the stories may be cool, but they are fairytales at best and the very foundations of them are falsified to a large extent. Thanks to Trespasser, the truth is now more abundantly clear.
What I want to find out about in Inquisition: if you play as a Dwarf, who is from a clan who 'weakened the Stone', will we learn more about that? Because as straight forward as their religion is, Dwarves like Varric--he can't be the only one--reject it all together; in DA2 he even seemed to hate it. So as psyched I am learning about the Qunari, I feel like I know less about the Dwarves; even with all the codex entries and two origin stories and two party members. Maybe because they don't even know who they are anymore like Elves.
The gods were all Prothean. Before they found us, we could only count as high as our toes. They took pity.
The Maker will come down and create a "paradise" if the world is untied under one banner for peace? Might have spoiled what could be the ending or surprise part of DAI
What was the ending song?
yay more lore!!!
You should have mentioned about Imperial Chantry.
The video makes it sound like Dumat turned the magisters into the first darkspawn. There is no detail about how the Chantry describes the second sin.
Loving this
Why is the Chantry in Orlais? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the headquarters in Fereldan? You know where Andraste was born, lived, and fought to free her people.
Does no one find that weird?
2:49 The Chantry speak many things… yet truth is not one of them.
You should totally do a new set of lore vids, like maybe one the bestiary of thedas?
Praise the Mighty Talos!!!!!!!!
I agree with you Zennawolf1
Not so interesting this one, but I kinda knew it this part would not be so interesting, but now I am worried if they will do the Blight part good?
So, about that Elvish pantheon and the role of Fenherel...
Varric should be a Paragon .... of manliness. To not make someone a god with chest hair like that is madness.
i like the dalish religion best ^^
no mentioning imperial chantry?
Not for this one. Too much to say about it and couldn't fit into time constraints.
Ashe | Lady Insanity okay, so i asked you before and got no answer but ill try again. why the time constraints? or at least what is causing them?
We must alll submit to the Qun, there will be no peace until you learn to be happy with the role you have in society, one must not strive for happiness that will most likely bring you missfortune and dissapointment. Anaan esaam Qun!
*steals the Tome of Koslun* MUAHAHAHA.
Ashe | Lady Insanity Protect the thief!
Ashe | Lady Insanity You'll give it back when it matters, I think your friendship meter is blue enough, if not, I will hunt you down and bring you back to Par Vollen myself (don't worry, we're just role playing).
Bro Show *lifts my staff* YOU SHALL NOT, PASS!!!!!!!! *hits the staff on the ground and creates an earthquake*
ALL OF YOU ARE FOOLS! THE TEVINTER IMPERUIM SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!!
The best religion is obviously The Way of The Open Palm. The worst is The Way of The Closed Fist.
The dwarfes and the Qunari has the best religions.
My inquisitor will be a Atheist.
I'm surprised so many people like these lore videos tbh...
While I can tell the creators are putting a lot of effort into these where's the depth? The Elder Scrolls lore videos on this channel are good because they go very in depth on the Elder Scrolls lore and only go quickly go over the basic lore as a reminder and to set the scene. This lore series however is focusing solely on the extremely basic lore that anyone who's played the game for more than a hour should already know making them extremely uninteresting. I guess this is because the focus of this lore series is to get people who haven't played Dragon Age to try it but I have to ask who watches lore videos on games they don't play? Aren't lore videos usually something people look at once they have put a lot of time into a game world and want to expand on their knowledge of it? And if you had never played the Elder Scrolls would watching a lore video on it even interest you at all? Nevertheless I feel I must say that I do respect the effort put into the videos despite finding them uninteresting..
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There's plenty of lore for them to go off for creating more in depth Dragon age lore videos. Take this religion section... This section doesn't even include all the different religions in Thedas and barely even skims the beliefs of the religions it does go over. They could of went into depth into how the religions formed and what they are actually about as well as historical religious events. I am not even a massive Dragon Age fan and I could easily find 15mins worth of lore to go over on each specific religion on Thedas. Whereas they try and skim over the whole topic in like 6mins...
I get the feeling from this series that it is more of a advertisement for dragon age inquisition, and a refresher of what's going on than anything else.
the Dragon age series is based on making you make your own opinions and theories about the lore if you will ready any part of the lore or play any of the games you will see that its never good and evil its you who choose what to believe + its only now starting to answer some questions after DAI trespasser
The Qun has the best effect on Thedas. Why? Because which is better 7 or 1? If you chose 7 you are incorrect.
7=7 different religions fighting for their own beliefs
1=1 Nation under 1 religion. Thank you based Qun
the chantry sucks, i mean they should not care what the other mortal races warship or believe that just makes them no better then tavinter . So ShoddyCast i think, no offence but i think the chantry is the one that cause chaos because 1 they tried to make all elve worship the maker.
Dragon Age really doesn't have any GOOD religions, just ones that do less harm.
The way the Qun is adressed in this video is a little biased. The qunari don't view it as a religion. It could also be interpreted as a philosophy or a government system. And the statement that it's a threat to Thedas is reallly out of place. Why is the Qun more threatening than the expansion of Orlais or Tevinter? I think this video suffers from fictional xenophobia :P
Well it kinda is. It's a religion in the sense that it has a priesthood whose entire job revolves around studying the Qun and how the more vague subjects address things the Qun never encountered before. Same way religions in the real world try to interpret things their sacred texts never touched on.
Maybe you are right. But the same Qun also is constituted by workers, warriors, spies, etc. As the wiki puts it, "The Qun is a philosophy, a set of laws, a legislative guide, and a social architecture governing the Qunari."
Also, it's not necessarily a worse kind of society, as the dialogues with Iron Bull try to demonstrate. It's ust a different one.
looks like the narrators got the Qun right this time
Has anyone realised how many more views the fallout and elder scrolls videos get than dragon age
defiantly the maker's religion. I think the Qun could do the most good
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I think Fenhiral or how ever you say it is what humans is what humans know as the maker
Despite the comparisons made between Islam and the Qun, it kinda sounds more like Confucianism. Though the other characteristics of the Qunari are like the Islamic empires
They all have their flaws. The chantry lies and twists historical events for the benefit of worshiping the maker. The Elves pride was their own downfall, the dwarves are probably the most sturdy but much too conservative to move forward. I would have a lot more respect for the qunari if they would piss off and stop trying to convert everyone. But these flaws make the dragon age universe that much more interesting imo.
Hexen agreed. The Qunari suck ass lol. They keep tryna invade single littke cities and lose every time. They need to just go back to their little rock they call a nation lol
So, the chantry is basically the medieval Catholic Church. Damn, well say goodbye to the old gods forever.
As the inquisitor i am going to ban worship of the maker and let all mages roam free and seal all non mages inside a tower. if i could do that which we all know we cant lol
6 chapters and they still sound like robots.... why can't this series have wonderful voices like the other series?
otherwise, great stuff, the voices just make it sound terrible
I don't agree. They sound wonderful.
Honestly they sound like classic teachers.
Qunari is a kind of anagram for Quran?
No? more like communism? or something of that sort? more atheistic based on empirical reasoning n need to say that sentients create order not that nature is already in order itself?
actually ShoddyCast have a sweetroll on me *****
Spoiler Alert:
By the time the game starts, the Chantry has lost the bulk of it's power as both the Templars and the Circle have forsaken it. They are now no more powerful than the Catholic Church is today. So I don't know why this video says it's the most powerful, if this is suppose to educate people for DA:I.
I still do not trust that Andraste character and the Chantry.
I have to say, I'm disappointed in this lore series. The others, Elder Scrolls and Fallout, are fantastic! They go into great depth, and provide great information about the worlds these games take place in. This one however only goes skin deep and have a lot of errors, (I will admit, this one seemed better than some of the previous ones). While the elder scrolls and fallout series may have had their errors, the lore went deep enough that it was not obvious unless you happened to read some obscure book in the game. The errors in the dragon age series are things that even if you played the game for the action and didn't really pay attention to the story, you would probably pick up on. And the depth of the lore is just not there. Everything covered so far I can pick up just by playing the game in a very straight forward manner, the exception to this is anything to do with inquisition, but I expect that it will be the same. The other Lore Series were great because they cover things that you wouldn't know unless you went through the world and read every book you could find and talked to every NPC you ran into. I feel that this series could have been done much better, with longer, more in depth content, and some fact checking. Right now, it feels like it is nothing more than a marketing ploy, an advertisement for Dragon Age Inquisition.
go ahead check nobody goes into a real religious debate in these comments...ikr mind blown
+8bit Lost why? this has nothing to do with our religion.
Kevin Burgess what is our religion?
MY religion is christian. Other peoples, muzlum and othershit
Kevin Burgess yea cool your christian but don't describe the other shit as shit religion is shit but beliving in something bigger is great and all if you want whatever
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Played Dragon Age.
I hated both its lore, its models and the game mechanics.
The Chantry=biggest load of murderer's, slaver's and hypocrite's Thedas will ever see.
Andraste freed the elves.
The Chantry (Andraste's apparent follower's) butcher the Dalish due to the trivial fact of the fact they worship a different god *gasp* a different race worshipping their own god?? BLASPHEMY!! and force what elves they could into alienage's. Yeah, following the teaching's of Andraste really well there, aren't you Chantry? fucking asshole's.
Not to mention the inhumane imprisoning of mage's.
Really hope we can seriously cripple the Chantry and Templars in DA:I
ve dragon age more then skyrim
yes!.. finally miss female voice pronounced QUN correctly..
…this is not canon
Dragon Age lore is weak sauce. Do 40k instead!
Do it yourself if you don't like it.
search Vaults of Terra, good guy.
Very original response. I just think Dragon Age doesn't have the most interesting lore. It rips from a bunch of different fantasy tropes. I love Shoddycast and the professionalism and quality of the videos, but it's wasted on Dragon Age. It would be sick if they eventually did 40k lore. 40k has MUCH more rich and original lore. Too much, maybe.
W Scott I like VoT, but it's video presentation is lacking. Just a series of pictures. Shoddycast has the whole package in lore presentation and could really do 40k justice, visually.
Samuel Passow Meh, there's a lot of people doing 40k lore videos if you dig deep enough into youtube, what I don't see a whole lot of are Warhammer Fantasy lore videos, which personally I feel would fit more with Shoodycast's theme.