I forgot to mention this. For the side by side comparison tests I used the RF 15-35 on the R7 and the RF 24-70 on the R5. Both were shot in 4K Fine 24 fps Clog 3. I used the zooms to match the field of view. I also adjusted the aperture a bit higher on the R5 to get the depth of field to match as best as I could. The autofocus test was done using the same lens setup but both cameras were set to F2.8 to make the autofocus work as much as possible.
Hi Josh! I just bought my R7 to be my main camera and the RP will be my B camera. In the RP I have been using Technicolor Cinestyle as an alternative to C-LOG3, what do you think of this combo for video? What advice do you give me to achieve image uniformity? (Have you compared them?) Right now it's what I have for video production. Let's wait for Canon to release a new R MarkII
@@SaulCastillo I have never used the RP so I can't offer you any advice on how the images will look. Best thing I would recommend is practice as much as possible before taking the cameras out on a professional shoot. Experiment a bunch and see how close you can get them to match.
I'll say it again.This guy, hands down is the best Canon R7 reviewer on the entire internet. No other reviewer whether on TH-cam or or any website compares to you and your multiple Canon R7 videos posted so far. You answered pretty much every single question I could think of before buying the R7.
The R7 is turning out to be the killer app for Canon: it offers so much at an incredible pricepoint! Well done Canon. Now please do some more decent RF-S lenses too so that we are not obliged to sell our kidneys for the RF ones 😅
@@Josh_Sattin jup. but will they make l series grade lenses for rf-s ? maybe because of r7/10 sales. i just traded my left kidney for a rf15-35 2.8 but i fell deep into the rabbit hole and know i will go fullframe next gen
Dude I just gotta say, I’ve been watching your content like crazy the past week. I bought a c70 and am doing the thing where I binge all possible content until it gets delivered. But your videos are just great. Keep crushing it!
This is the 10th video im watching one after the another from your channel !! You are so informative compared to other creators... Thank you so much for all these information and please keep up the good work coming!
Nice to hear the thing about overheating. It is so frustrating in the R6. I am planning to move to R5 after the new firmware, but R7 sounds good. Thanks for this video, very nice!
Regarding the troublesome mini HDMI port; l shoot video for 2-6 hrs per on my Canon M50 and Sony A6400 cameras. I went through 3 mini HDMI cables each, all broke off. The Mini HDMI cables will break on the end, just too weak. I finally solved the problem, shot with both cameras now for 1 yr straight not 1 broken HDMI cable. I had to put a rig cage on each camera. Once l had that l got a UURig R068 Camera HDMI Cable Clamp. Now l plug in the mini HDMI to the port and simply tighten the UU Rig clamp and the HDMI is rock solid, won't move or damage it even if you directly hit the HDMI cable directly where it plugs into the camera. For me being forced to purchase a rig cage ended up being my favorite improvement to my set up. I shoot surf videos (Bali Surf Hunters TH-cam channel) with telephoto lens in the 400mm to 600mm range and since l got the rig cage have also added an external monitor, external mic, and recently, external V mount battery set up. It all depends on if you hand hold or shoot video on a tripod. If hand held, go for camera rig cage and UU rig clamp only. If shooting video on longer shoots with a tripod, go with the external monitor and external batteries, both are fantastic upgrades.
The R5 is noticeably sharper and has more resolution. One could really see it when both camera’s image is shown side by side. After all, it is a better camera so it is expected.
@@castielvargastv7931 not if it is downsampled… plus sensor size difference do matter as well. Quality of video doesn’t just depend on megapixels, or else even an iphone shooting 4K would look just as good 😂 Just saying…
@@jimmystewartuk sensor size does not matter at all. Most cinema cameras are apsc not full frame. A sony a7s 3 has 12 mp it does no downsanpling like the a74 does and its picture quality is not worse at all. 4k is 8 mp , full frame or not, thats just the way it is. 8 k is better for sure as it really has more resolution.
@@castielvargastv7931 I’m just saying the 8K downsample 4K from the R5, being a full frame camera as well, is noticeable in better image quality and resolution of what the image is produced in the R7. I’m no technical guru, I’m just saying I noticed a difference and that’s why the R5 is another level up
I just had the chance to try out the R7 on field today. Manage to shoot eagles from a boat in the sea. It turns out very good. The AF was so fast to lock on the subject and track well. Manage to get at least 70% keeper. Mind this is the first time i use the R7. It was pair with RF 100-500 L. Consider the sway movement of the boat and fast action of the birds dive to catch the meal. I consider this camera was way above my expectation for a sub 2k camera.
Josh, keep in mind many of the R7 buyers are current 7D, 7D mk 2, D80, D90 owners and likely already have numerous EF lens suited to crop sensor cameras so the current limitations of Canon crop sensor lens that are RF mount might not be as big a factor as you think. I believe you are coming at this from the perspective of a guy that owns higher end gear (Canon C70, R5 and expensive full frame class). The main reason owners got a Canon 7D or D90 is bang for the buck, likewise why getting the R7. With limitations in budget my bet is most of these camera owners in this demographic will not sell their old glass and replace it with RF lens when the Canon mount converter works fine. Example, I own a Canon 400mm f5.6 and Canon 70-200mm lens with a 1.4x teleconverter. There's no way l can afford to buy a new R7 and just sale those old lens with the old mount and buy a $2800 RF mount 100-500 lens.
For sure! The market for the R7 includes A LOT of different people. I made that comment because I'd like to see Canon commit a bit more to their crop sensor RF line in the future by putting out more crop RF lenses. That would also benefit C70 users too. It's easy enough to put the $100 EF-RF adapter on the R7 and use all of your EF and EF-S lenses. Thanks for watching!
Josh thank you for doing these R7 videos! They are super informative and helped me decide to purchase the R7 kit 150mm lens yesterday. Now I have to watch and like all your other videos on the R7. Already subscribed 😎
I love these reviews Josh. Very thorough. You are really leading the pack on getting deep into the R7’s features. I’ve learned a lot from your videos. I love that the R7 picture quality is very compatible with the R5.
It's really good to see a reviewer who addresses the needs of the people at the budget end of the market (thanks for your tip about Resolve). I am using your video on settings as a reference tool. I was interested in your comments about the histogram not displaying on the screen, had you noticed that it does however display in the viewfinder?
need a r6 mark ii vs r7 comparison. Then im ready to make my 1st purchase. i need the better overall quality camera between the 2. for photos/videos/vlogging.
@@musicman8942 Maybe he just wanted to justify the more expensive caamera. For me, the difference in image and so on was no enough for the extreme jump in price
@@JebrilKessler Exactly. I don't see that, at least in what was shown that the R5 was all that much better if at all. Now if he really got down into the weeds with regards low light performance the R5 might come out better.
I could tell which was which via picture but video definitely seemed nearly identical, I’m still on the fence which direction to go, this was a great video, very informative:)
i am planning to buy a new camera to replace my old 70D and i have been watching alot of comparison video about R6, R7, R10, sony A7IV etc. Buy i guess i am going to buy R7 after watching many of your video. The auto-focus seems the best now even comparing to R5, the 4K 60p Clog3 which i needed , and actually the higher pixel even its APS-C. with watching your video about the speedbooster 0.71x, i guess this would be the last puzzle for me to fix the issue about the FF matter. I came up with the conclusion to buy R7 with 0.71x speedbooster would be the best option to me. Thanks for your video, I learnt much from you about the optical knowledge and the application of different camera & lenses. Keep up the good work ! Gave you my subscription, you deserve it!
Another incredibly useful video, thank you!! I have to say, I actually kind of preferred the image of the R7 over the R5 in a couple of cases... And since I've been using my EOS R with the Viltrox speed booster anyway, I'm completely comfortable with that option on the R7. VERY interesting!
Really nice comparison. Just got my R7 as a B-Cam for my R5 two weeks back, pretty happy so far. Depending on your use case, one big difference is how they handle external recording. The R7 (like the R6) cannot record internally and externally at the same time... which is a real shame. On my R5 I often times record 8k Raw internally which is output to my Atomos Ninja V as 4k Fine (with HDMI Raw disabled). So I got a nice, easy to handle ProRes Proxy to work with. Also something to consider if you need redundancy, which is not easily possible with external recorders on the R7.
I found out the hard way about that when doing a livestreaming.. that R6 doesn't do internal record + hdmi out at same time, so I have to get my R5 to replace the R6.
The limited lens options really hurt this system. I have an R7 with 18-150mm, a 10-18mm efs, and 24-105 ef. When using the ef glass and adapters people need to be mindful the stabilization benefits are not even close to what you get with rf lenses. That's to be expected but it is very different for video. Also I can't get past the way better lens options I have for my Sony a6600. I still use it for all my wedding videos. It has way lesser IBIS quality, lesser video codecs, but it still functions better for event shooting due to way better lens options. I barely use my r7 at weddings. I do like the image though
So what you are saying is that the ibis stabilization doesn't kick in with ef lenses? Does the the R6 with ibis stabilization do better with the EF lenses?
I really want to love this camera. I can live with the lack of 4K 60 fine mode. But for me they basically killed it by turning off the LED screen when outputting HDMI. It just severely limits it’s utility.
@Bevan Ward Normally I do not output to an out board monitor. I find it heavy, not really in terms of weight (though it makes the gimbal feel less balanced to hold), but extra gear and batteries and stuff that makes me less nimble. I tried using an Ninja on my latest shoot in rural Guatemala in rugged terrain . I found it so annoying after the first day that I stopped using it. Even though trying to look at the F-log In daylight is nigh impossible. I still found myself looking at the XT-3 screen because that’s where I could control focus. Secondly you can’t control autofocus with it, so you’d be forced to click on the blank screen for where you want to focus. Thirdly if you are streaming you can’t send any information to the HDMI output, so you’re shooting without the full information. It’s just not a limitation I want to live with. Especially when there are other cameras like the Fuji XH2-S that don’t have such an Ill-conceived limitation. It’s also possible I may go with the R5 instead to not have to deal with a second lens system with my C70. So congrats Canon I guess - forcing me to potentially give them more money.
@Bevan Ward The Átomos Zato Connect makes it more workable if it ever gets out of the beta stage. At the least I wouldn’t have to a monitor AND and encoder both connected to the camera.
You didn’t mention it, so I’m not sure if it has it, but the R5 has video presets. Makes jumping between different video settings incredibly easy, it’s why I went with the R5 over the R6. It’s one of those small things that makes a big difference
Subbed! Thank you Josh. More review vids and sample footage from these new RF canon cameras please :) Would you do Clog post-workflow and grading/luts/presets at some point as well? Premiere?
Thanks! Please go and take a look at my channel. There are several detailed videos on these cameras already. Here is one about exposing and grading: th-cam.com/video/JCDaz1Ewirg/w-d-xo.html
Josh, great review as always! I have a question for you, how much use do you get out of the Calibrite ColorChecker Passport Video card? Are you primarily just using the gray card included with it or do you make more use of it overall. Trying to decide whether to buy the Calibrite ColorChecker Passport Video or just a gray card. Thanks again for all your efforts!
Thank you! I use both in different situations. For super quick stuff I just use the grey card, but I do use the color checker too for some stuff. It depends on what I am doing.
Hey Josh, how likely do you think it is that the R6 will get the same overheating updates that the R5 got? If it does, it feels like it would be impossible to choose between these three cameras. Thanks, keep up the great work!
You're welcome. I of course have no information on this, but I am very doubtful they will give the R6 the same sort of overheating update. I hope I'm wrong though. Thanks for watching!
During your intro and when you were doing the focus test it was easy to pick out the r5. I can tell the difference with a crop sensor when it comes to the quality of the bokeh. Assuming you were using the same lens.
Great review! My biggest interest is about dynamic range and color grade reliability in terms of color banding cause I need a B cam for underwater shooting exclusively. I own a Komodo X UW right and I’m not whiling to buy a second system for thousands of dollars. So the R7 is definitely my first option
Can you test the rolling shutter performance when shooting fast moving objects like cars, running people, planes? and see if the jello effect is pronounced when vlogging hand held, or even just panning a but faster than the average person would?
Sorry I don't have a rolling shutter comparison. You can see a little bit of handheld vlogging in this video on the R7: th-cam.com/video/L4o3nXrz3_Y/w-d-xo.html And in this video on the R5: th-cam.com/video/kjCH-lns3Es/w-d-xo.html
Can you post an affiliate link with just the R7 body? This was an excellent video showing such a great comparison of the two. I'd like to make sure you get your slice but it looks like you only have the R7 withkit lens linked.
Hi Josh, great video once again. I have been shooting with the 80d and SL2 for some years and am looking to upgrade into the R7. If I shoot only in 1080p, is the image quality A LOT better in the R7 or am I only going to notice the difference when shooting 4k?
I would be happy to see a low light test of R5 vs R7 with a speedbooster (with the same ef glass). If there is a video like this somewhere, I'd love to see it.
i say this again Really wishing this came out same time as the R6 as i would have picked this up and bough more glass Still happy with the R6 though! excellent review, any chance of giving the R10 a spotlight for people strapped for cash??
Thank you. I've thought about reviewing the R10, but probably not. It doesn't shoot in a log profile and I wouldn't really have any use for it in my workflow.
i currently have had a Canon 80D for a long time and have been depsertley researching for months on different full frame cameras for both high quality photography along with stunningly crisp Video for a number of scenarios. I have been buying alot of Sigma Lenses that are EF mount which sucks because the cameras that are obviously better are ones like the Sony A7siii, Sony A7R V, Canon R5 (What I am most leaning towards) which all have different mounts that I would buy adapters to fit my current lenses. I have been debating for so long but deserve an upgrade in quality from what I currently use. Any recomendations on any cameras I did not mention or any I did mention! Do you think the R5 would be perfect for me? I would really appreciate any suggestions from people who have used many different cameras and would like to help me buy the perfect one!
I am in a similar boat, excluding the photography part. I am considering the s5iix, but I continue to land on the conclusion that an adapted 18-35 + Black Pro-Mist Filter and an R7 is an unbeatable combo for people like me. I wonder if you actually got something. Regards!
Ohh man there are 2 completely different tools One r7 is more focused on doc filming, another R5 full frame much more focused on "art " filming . It seems that r7 has all needed canon benefits C log 3 . What I would like to see extra waveform and nd filters 🙂
Now that they've fixed overheat on R5 they just need to remove 30 min record limit and it will the grail camera! It's an absolute beast. I never need to record longer than maybe 10 minutes at a time so I have zero complaints.
Thanks for the video! Super helpful. Just wanted to ask though, are you sure the base ISO for the R7 is 800? I've heard that the base ISO for Clog 3 is 800, but the base ISO for the R7 sensor is actually different. Is that a thing?
I feel like canon should do a update on th3 canon r5 and give us more codec flavors for videos and another clog that you could push a little bit of dynamic range so that the r5 remain relevant.
@@movielover2172 forget zve10 . Its either r7 or xt4. If you want to stay in aps-c grab xt4. if you want upgrade to FF or proper cinema camera later grab R7.
Man maybe I get an R7, but that being said - I have ZERO regrets getting the R5. It’s the best camera I’ve ever owned. I got it as a photo camera first and video second and it’s worked brilliantly for it. Thanks for the awesome video Josh!
I think you are correct. I got used to the R7 and then tried that in the R5 and couldn't figure out how to do it. The operating system is not exactly the same between the two cameras.
Thank you for sharing the comparision, planning to buy the R7, mostly I shoot 4k 60 fps, Requires more wide angle shots, want to use my existing ef-s 10-18 wide angle lens on R7 with adapter. But in some documentation I had read R7 disables 4k 60 fps mode with ef-s lens attached. Is it true. Not had time to have a hands on R7..
I honestly never liked 60fps for video. So I'll probably never use it on my 90D or my R7. I do like the 120fps slow mo video. I only shoot most of my video in 24 or 30fps anyways.
I won't be making that comparison since the R5 is over 2x the cost. I did do a R6 II vs R5 video. There is a lot that is similar between the R6 II and R8. th-cam.com/video/4H3BJlLmgVE/w-d-xo.html
The R5 was easily identifiable as having better IQ even with youtube compression, but I agree that they're close enough "for most people." Now I hate it when people say that ("for most people"), because for anybody who wants the best IQ -- whether you need it or not -- you know who you are, and you (hopefully) know it's a classic case of diminishing returns to chase that last 5-10% percent. Of course, the elephant in the room is these are hybrid cameras, so many buyers want stills too, and R5 gives you your money's worth over the R7.
I am using an SL2 and T5 as B Roll, for video of church bible study. I am considering a new camera. Would this R7 be a good option? It really looks good to me.
If you want to stay in the Canon ecosystem then the R7 is a great video camera and packs a lot of value. Check out my full review of the R7: th-cam.com/video/M0vCb9MI--o/w-d-xo.html
@@Josh_Sattin yeah that's very good, but I wonder how it will look if I am just going forward and filming for example a other person in front of me or just nature. I wonder if there are wobbles in the corners
The R7 has an APSC sensor (1.6x crop from full frame). The R5 has a full frame sensor. For the examples shown I shot both the R5 and R7 in 4K fine and used a zoom lens on both to get them to match as closely as possible.
@@Josh_Sattin Ok, but I didn’t hear you mention that in your video. Without that detail, there is no way to know what you have done. As you mentioned, you could have forced the r5 into crop mode either by using an EF-s or RF-S lens or going with the cropped mode 4k with 5.1 oversample. All of these could have been compared too. Also, what two lenses did you use on each camera? I feel another video on this from you. I enjoy your vids. Thanks!
Not necessarily. More powerful computer? I’d say almost definitely. But you don’t need an 8K monitor to make heavy use of 8K footage. I edit all of my 4K footage on a 1440p monitor and it does a great job, for similar reasons why 8K downsampled to 4K looks so much better than 4K. Even beyond that, the greater advantage of high res footage is “cropability”. With ultra high res footage, you can maintain a high-fidelity image after digitally cropping.
@@Josh_Sattin The way I can tell the difference between the two was the depth of field and background blurring , there was significantly less bokeh on the R7 samples..
I tried my best to match the depth of field with different apertures, but it's tough to get it exactly the same. I could have set the R5 to F11 and the R7 to F2.8 to try and trick people, but that wasn't the point of the comparisons or this video. Overall image quality was more about what I was trying to demonstrate there. I hope you were able to see that.
I forgot to mention this. For the side by side comparison tests I used the RF 15-35 on the R7 and the RF 24-70 on the R5. Both were shot in 4K Fine 24 fps Clog 3. I used the zooms to match the field of view. I also adjusted the aperture a bit higher on the R5 to get the depth of field to match as best as I could. The autofocus test was done using the same lens setup but both cameras were set to F2.8 to make the autofocus work as much as possible.
Hi Josh! I just bought my R7 to be my main camera and the RP will be my B camera. In the RP I have been using Technicolor Cinestyle as an alternative to C-LOG3, what do you think of this combo for video? What advice do you give me to achieve image uniformity? (Have you compared them?) Right now it's what I have for video production. Let's wait for Canon to release a new R MarkII
@@SaulCastillo I have never used the RP so I can't offer you any advice on how the images will look. Best thing I would recommend is practice as much as possible before taking the cameras out on a professional shoot. Experiment a bunch and see how close you can get them to match.
I'll say it again.This guy, hands down is the best Canon R7 reviewer on the entire internet. No other reviewer whether on TH-cam or or any website compares to you and your multiple Canon R7 videos posted so far. You answered pretty much every single question I could think of before buying the R7.
I really appreciate the kind words. I'm so glad to hear my videos have been helpful for you. Thanks for watching!
I believe you Chuck Norris. And Josh, you are a legend 🙏🏽.
Thanks. You are too kind. I don't think I have reached legend status though.
Facts
The R7 is turning out to be the killer app for Canon: it offers so much at an incredible pricepoint! Well done Canon. Now please do some more decent RF-S lenses too so that we are not obliged to sell our kidneys for the RF ones 😅
Agreed!
@@Josh_Sattin jup. but will they make l series grade lenses for rf-s ? maybe because of r7/10 sales. i just traded my left kidney for a rf15-35 2.8 but i fell deep into the rabbit hole and know i will go fullframe next gen
Yes R7 seems like everything a creator would want except the lens selection is poor
Dude I just gotta say, I’ve been watching your content like crazy the past week.
I bought a c70 and am doing the thing where I binge all possible content until it gets delivered.
But your videos are just great. Keep crushing it!
Thank you for the kind words! Enjoy the C70!
This channel is a videographers dream, been here for a while and every vid is legit amazing!
Thank you for the kind words!
This is the 10th video im watching one after the another from your channel !! You are so informative compared to other creators... Thank you so much for all these information and please keep up the good work coming!
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Nice to hear the thing about overheating. It is so frustrating in the R6. I am planning to move to R5 after the new firmware, but R7 sounds good. Thanks for this video, very nice!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Regarding the troublesome mini HDMI port; l shoot video for 2-6 hrs per on my Canon M50 and Sony A6400 cameras. I went through 3 mini HDMI cables each, all broke off. The Mini HDMI cables will break on the end, just too weak.
I finally solved the problem, shot with both cameras now for 1 yr straight not 1 broken HDMI cable. I had to put a rig cage on each camera. Once l had that l got a UURig R068 Camera HDMI Cable Clamp. Now l plug in the mini HDMI to the port and simply tighten the UU Rig clamp and the HDMI is rock solid, won't move or damage it even if you directly hit the HDMI cable directly where it plugs into the camera.
For me being forced to purchase a rig cage ended up being my favorite improvement to my set up. I shoot surf videos (Bali Surf Hunters TH-cam channel)
with telephoto lens in the 400mm to 600mm range and since l got the rig cage have also added an external monitor, external mic, and recently, external V mount battery set up. It all depends on if you hand hold or shoot video on a tripod. If hand held, go for camera rig cage and UU rig clamp only. If shooting video on longer shoots with a tripod, go with the external monitor and external batteries, both are fantastic upgrades.
Just got my R7 last week, thanks for all the videos really shows how amazing this little camera is for the price.
You're welcome. It's a great camera for sure. Thanks for watching!
The R5 is noticeably sharper and has more resolution. One could really see it when both camera’s image is shown side by side. After all, it is a better camera so it is expected.
Thats wrong! A 4k video has 8 megapixels. Thats what 4 k is. It does not matter if a r5 or anr7 does it 4k resolution is the same
@@castielvargastv7931 not if it is downsampled… plus sensor size difference do matter as well. Quality of video doesn’t just depend on megapixels, or else even an iphone shooting 4K would look just as good 😂 Just saying…
@@jimmystewartuk sensor size does not matter at all. Most cinema cameras are apsc not full frame. A sony a7s 3 has 12 mp it does no downsanpling like the a74 does and its picture quality is not worse at all. 4k is 8 mp , full frame or not, thats just the way it is. 8 k is better for sure as it really has more resolution.
@@castielvargastv7931 I’m just saying the 8K downsample 4K from the R5, being a full frame camera as well, is noticeable in better image quality and resolution of what the image is produced in the R7. I’m no technical guru, I’m just saying I noticed a difference and that’s why the R5 is another level up
I just had the chance to try out the R7 on field today. Manage to shoot eagles from a boat in the sea. It turns out very good. The AF was so fast to lock on the subject and track well. Manage to get at least 70% keeper. Mind this is the first time i use the R7. It was pair with RF 100-500 L. Consider the sway movement of the boat and fast action of the birds dive to catch the meal. I consider this camera was way above my expectation for a sub 2k camera.
Hey man.. Just wanted to say thanks for all these vids on R7. Enjoying your channel overall now😎
You’re very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Josh, keep in mind many of the R7 buyers are current 7D, 7D mk 2, D80, D90 owners and likely already have numerous EF lens suited to crop sensor cameras so the current limitations of Canon crop sensor lens that are RF mount might not be as big a factor as you think.
I believe you are coming at this from the perspective of a guy that owns higher end gear (Canon C70, R5 and expensive full frame class). The main reason owners got a Canon 7D or D90 is bang for the buck, likewise why getting the R7. With limitations in budget my bet is most of these camera owners in this demographic will not sell their old glass and replace it with RF lens when the Canon mount converter works fine.
Example, I own a Canon 400mm f5.6 and Canon 70-200mm lens with a 1.4x teleconverter. There's no way l can afford to buy a new R7 and just sale those old lens with the old mount and buy a $2800 RF mount 100-500 lens.
For sure! The market for the R7 includes A LOT of different people. I made that comment because I'd like to see Canon commit a bit more to their crop sensor RF line in the future by putting out more crop RF lenses. That would also benefit C70 users too. It's easy enough to put the $100 EF-RF adapter on the R7 and use all of your EF and EF-S lenses. Thanks for watching!
I think what we are finding, with video, is the way the camera processes the image is the most important thing. So different from photos.
exactly. the sony fx6 vs the a7s3/fx3 is the perfect example of that.
Josh thank you for doing these R7 videos! They are super informative and helped me decide to purchase the R7 kit 150mm lens yesterday. Now I have to watch and like all your other videos on the R7. Already subscribed 😎
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
I love these reviews Josh. Very thorough. You are really leading the pack on getting deep into the R7’s features. I’ve learned a lot from your videos. I love that the R7 picture quality is very compatible with the R5.
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!
It's really good to see a reviewer who addresses the needs of the people at the budget end of the market (thanks for your tip about Resolve). I am using your video on settings as a reference tool. I was interested in your comments about the histogram not displaying on the screen, had you noticed that it does however display in the viewfinder?
need a r6 mark ii vs r7 comparison. Then im ready to make my 1st purchase. i need the better overall quality camera between the 2. for photos/videos/vlogging.
Fantastic comparison Josh!
Thanks Jay!
I would actually say that the R7's autofocus is much better than the r5 as you can see here where the r5 is nearly a second behind the r7
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That was very noticeable in the video
@@musicman8942 Did he still say the r5 had better autofocus?
@@JebrilKessler yes he did and I don't understand why; even my wife who's not the world's best photographer/videographer caught that
@@musicman8942 Maybe he just wanted to justify the more expensive caamera. For me, the difference in image and so on was no enough for the extreme jump in price
@@JebrilKessler Exactly. I don't see that, at least in what was shown that the R5 was all that much better if at all. Now if he really got down into the weeds with regards low light performance the R5 might come out better.
I could tell which was which via picture but video definitely seemed nearly identical, I’m still on the fence which direction to go, this was a great video, very informative:)
i am planning to buy a new camera to replace my old 70D and i have been watching alot of comparison video about R6, R7, R10, sony A7IV etc. Buy i guess i am going to buy R7 after watching many of your video. The auto-focus seems the best now even comparing to R5, the 4K 60p Clog3 which i needed , and actually the higher pixel even its APS-C. with watching your video about the speedbooster 0.71x, i guess this would be the last puzzle for me to fix the issue about the FF matter.
I came up with the conclusion to buy R7 with 0.71x speedbooster would be the best option to me.
Thanks for your video, I learnt much from you about the optical knowledge and the application of different camera & lenses.
Keep up the good work ! Gave you my subscription, you deserve it!
You're welcome. I'm glad to hear that you have been enjoying the videos. Thanks for watching!
What is the price on the speed booster? Doesn't that cost at least 400-500 dollars? Also, doesn't it trigger vignetting with wide lens on the borders?
Hi Josh, thanks for this another great video about the R7. I'm waiting for mine and your videos are full of inspiration... greetings from Belgium ;-)
You're welcome. I hope you get your R7 soon. Thanks for watching!
Another incredibly useful video, thank you!! I have to say, I actually kind of preferred the image of the R7 over the R5 in a couple of cases... And since I've been using my EOS R with the Viltrox speed booster anyway, I'm completely comfortable with that option on the R7. VERY interesting!
Really nice comparison. Just got my R7 as a B-Cam for my R5 two weeks back, pretty happy so far.
Depending on your use case, one big difference is how they handle external recording. The R7 (like the R6) cannot record internally and externally at the same time... which is a real shame. On my R5 I often times record 8k Raw internally which is output to my Atomos Ninja V as 4k Fine (with HDMI Raw disabled). So I got a nice, easy to handle ProRes Proxy to work with. Also something to consider if you need redundancy, which is not easily possible with external recorders on the R7.
I found out the hard way about that when doing a livestreaming.. that R6 doesn't do internal record + hdmi out at same time, so I have to get my R5 to replace the R6.
Great camera the R7. Thank you for the video. Saludos Amigo.
gracias👍🏻📸🏝🌋🌴🌊☀️
R7+speedbooser vs R6 vs R5 for professional video and photo/wedding? would be a nice test.
Unfortunately I do not have a R6.
The limited lens options really hurt this system. I have an R7 with 18-150mm, a 10-18mm efs, and 24-105 ef. When using the ef glass and adapters people need to be mindful the stabilization benefits are not even close to what you get with rf lenses. That's to be expected but it is very different for video. Also I can't get past the way better lens options I have for my Sony a6600. I still use it for all my wedding videos. It has way lesser IBIS quality, lesser video codecs, but it still functions better for event shooting due to way better lens options. I barely use my r7 at weddings. I do like the image though
So what you are saying is that the ibis stabilization doesn't kick in with ef lenses? Does the the R6 with ibis stabilization do better with the EF lenses?
Which lenses are the most crucial that you look for?
Thank you man for all the amazing job you do in your video!
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Great Video love your work New sub
Thank you so much!
I really want to love this camera. I can live with the lack of 4K 60 fine mode. But for me they basically killed it by turning off the LED screen when outputting HDMI. It just severely limits it’s utility.
@Bevan Ward Normally I do not output to an out board monitor. I find it heavy, not really in terms of weight (though it makes the gimbal feel less balanced to hold), but extra gear and batteries and stuff that makes me less nimble. I tried using an Ninja on my latest shoot in rural Guatemala in rugged terrain . I found it so annoying after the first day that I stopped using it. Even though trying to look at the F-log In daylight is nigh impossible. I still found myself looking at the XT-3 screen because that’s where I could control focus. Secondly you can’t control autofocus with it, so you’d be forced to click on the blank screen for where you want to focus. Thirdly if you are streaming you can’t send any information to the HDMI output, so you’re shooting without the full information. It’s just not a limitation I want to live with. Especially when there are other cameras like the Fuji XH2-S that don’t have such an Ill-conceived limitation. It’s also possible I may go with the R5 instead to not have to deal with a second lens system with my C70. So congrats Canon I guess - forcing me to potentially give them more money.
@Bevan Ward The Átomos Zato Connect makes it more workable if it ever gets out of the beta stage. At the least I wouldn’t have to a monitor AND and encoder both connected to the camera.
Thank you for such a detailed review! Keep it up!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
You didn’t mention it, so I’m not sure if it has it, but the R5 has video presets. Makes jumping between different video settings incredibly easy, it’s why I went with the R5 over the R6. It’s one of those small things that makes a big difference
Yeah, the R7 has the C1 C2 C3 on the dial which you can use for video. That was so weird they left that out of the R6.
@@Josh_Sattin dang that really is a high value camera then!
Subbed! Thank you Josh. More review vids and sample footage from these new RF canon cameras please :) Would you do Clog post-workflow and grading/luts/presets at some point as well? Premiere?
Thanks! Please go and take a look at my channel. There are several detailed videos on these cameras already. Here is one about exposing and grading: th-cam.com/video/JCDaz1Ewirg/w-d-xo.html
Thanks man, you deserve more subs!
You’re welcome and thank you for the kind words!
Josh, great review as always! I have a question for you, how much use do you get out of the Calibrite ColorChecker Passport Video card? Are you primarily just using the gray card included with it or do you make more use of it overall. Trying to decide whether to buy the Calibrite ColorChecker Passport Video or just a gray card. Thanks again for all your efforts!
Thank you! I use both in different situations. For super quick stuff I just use the grey card, but I do use the color checker too for some stuff. It depends on what I am doing.
Super video with so much comparison
Excellent presentation. Thanks. Subscribed.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Thank you veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy much =)
I'm loving the R7 videos =)
You are very welcome. Thanks for watching!
Excellent review. Thank you!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Hey Josh, how likely do you think it is that the R6 will get the same overheating updates that the R5 got? If it does, it feels like it would be impossible to choose between these three cameras. Thanks, keep up the great work!
You're welcome. I of course have no information on this, but I am very doubtful they will give the R6 the same sort of overheating update. I hope I'm wrong though. Thanks for watching!
I soooo wish this would happen. I have an R6 and R7 and I'm trying to decide if I should dump the R6 for another R7.
That’s a tough call. If you are mostly video I’d say that would be a good move. And then you have matching cameras. I’d take a R7 over a R6 for video.
During your intro and when you were doing the focus test it was easy to pick out the r5. I can tell the difference with a crop sensor when it comes to the quality of the bokeh. Assuming you were using the same lens.
Great review! My biggest interest is about dynamic range and color grade reliability in terms of color banding cause I need a B cam for underwater shooting exclusively. I own a Komodo X UW right and I’m not whiling to buy a second system for thousands of dollars. So the R7 is definitely my first option
Can you test the rolling shutter performance when shooting fast moving objects like cars, running people, planes? and see if the jello effect is pronounced when vlogging hand held, or even just panning a but faster than the average person would?
Sorry I don't have a rolling shutter comparison. You can see a little bit of handheld vlogging in this video on the R7: th-cam.com/video/L4o3nXrz3_Y/w-d-xo.html
And in this video on the R5: th-cam.com/video/kjCH-lns3Es/w-d-xo.html
I did get it right. there was more details in the beard but it was really close.
Can you post an affiliate link with just the R7 body? This was an excellent video showing such a great comparison of the two. I'd like to make sure you get your slice but it looks like you only have the R7 withkit lens linked.
Absolutely! It was only available as kit only for so long. Here you go. Thanks for the support!
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Hi Josh, great video once again. I have been shooting with the 80d and SL2 for some years and am looking to upgrade into the R7. If I shoot only in 1080p, is the image quality A LOT better in the R7 or am I only going to notice the difference when shooting 4k?
From what I’ve seen from several reviews and tests, the 1080p is way better than the 80 & 90d with comparable lenses.
@@ziyaadruhomally6435 awesome thanks!!
I would be happy to see a low light test of R5 vs R7 with a speedbooster (with the same ef glass). If there is a video like this somewhere, I'd love to see it.
i say this again
Really wishing this came out same time as the R6 as i would have picked this up and bough more glass
Still happy with the R6 though!
excellent review, any chance of giving the R10 a spotlight for people strapped for cash??
Thank you. I've thought about reviewing the R10, but probably not. It doesn't shoot in a log profile and I wouldn't really have any use for it in my workflow.
Thank you Josh, this video contains some very useful information!
16:50 I'm not looking for an extra body myself but the detectives in my basement are.
i currently have had a Canon 80D for a long time and have been depsertley researching for months on different full frame cameras for both high quality photography along with stunningly crisp Video for a number of scenarios. I have been buying alot of Sigma Lenses that are EF mount which sucks because the cameras that are obviously better are ones like the Sony A7siii, Sony A7R V, Canon R5 (What I am most leaning towards) which all have different mounts that I would buy adapters to fit my current lenses. I have been debating for so long but deserve an upgrade in quality from what I currently use. Any recomendations on any cameras I did not mention or any I did mention! Do you think the R5 would be perfect for me? I would really appreciate any suggestions from people who have used many different cameras and would like to help me buy the perfect one!
I am in a similar boat, excluding the photography part. I am considering the s5iix, but I continue to land on the conclusion that an adapted 18-35 + Black Pro-Mist Filter and an R7 is an unbeatable combo for people like me. I wonder if you actually got something.
Regards!
I really want to see you reviewing the canon r7 with the sigma 50mm f1.4 art .. for portrait and b roll ♥️
Unfortunately I don't have that lens.
@@Josh_Sattin is that a sign ? Cuz i thinking about getting one next week 🥲💔
Yousif Osama it’s an astounding lens, get it!!!
Ohh man there are 2 completely different tools
One r7 is more focused on doc filming, another
R5 full frame much more focused on "art " filming .
It seems that r7 has all needed canon benefits
C log 3 . What I would like to see extra waveform and nd filters 🙂
DCI 4K is what I love using.
Now that they've fixed overheat on R5 they just need to remove 30 min record limit and it will the grail camera! It's an absolute beast. I never need to record longer than maybe 10 minutes at a time so I have zero complaints.
Thanks for the video! Super helpful. Just wanted to ask though, are you sure the base ISO for the R7 is 800? I've heard that the base ISO for Clog 3 is 800, but the base ISO for the R7 sensor is actually different. Is that a thing?
You're welcome. Base ISO for Clog 3 is 800 in both cameras.
I feel like canon should do a update on th3 canon r5 and give us more codec flavors for videos and another clog that you could push a little bit of dynamic range so that the r5 remain relevant.
Agreed. I made a video about that: th-cam.com/video/PGp2-Mu5ElI/w-d-xo.html
You are great man! One day you will have millions of subscriber,that's for sure.
Should I Buy R7 or Sony ZVE10 or XT4?Can you help me?
It's mainly for video, sometimes photography
@@movielover2172 forget zve10 . Its either r7 or xt4. If you want to stay in aps-c grab xt4. if you want upgrade to FF or proper cinema camera later grab R7.
Man maybe I get an R7, but that being said - I have ZERO regrets getting the R5. It’s the best camera I’ve ever owned. I got it as a photo camera first and video second and it’s worked brilliantly for it. Thanks for the awesome video Josh!
You're welcome Brandon! Yeah, the R5 is a great camera, especially how you use it.
The RFS 18 - 150 mm is quite sharp tbh. Is it cutting edge - no!
These are amazing videos on video! Has anyone seen the same comparison for stills shooting? I’d love to see how they compare
Maybe I am missing something but I noticed you can customize the Q menu on the R7, but not on the R5. Is that right?
I think you are correct. I got used to the R7 and then tried that in the R5 and couldn't figure out how to do it. The operating system is not exactly the same between the two cameras.
Thank you for sharing the comparision, planning to buy the R7, mostly I shoot 4k 60 fps, Requires more wide angle shots, want to use my existing ef-s 10-18 wide angle lens on R7 with adapter. But in some documentation I had read R7 disables 4k 60 fps mode with ef-s lens attached. Is it true. Not had time to have a hands on R7..
I don't think that is true, but I don't have any EF-S lenses to test.
Hi Josh, may I know if canon R7 can record to both card slot with 4k resolution ( creating a backup recording) thanks
I honestly never liked 60fps for video. So I'll probably never use it on my 90D or my R7. I do like the 120fps slow mo video. I only shoot most of my video in 24 or 30fps anyways.
can you put canon speed booster on the r7 to get more the full frame look with ef lenses ?
th-cam.com/video/_SZ9scyk8yI/w-d-xo.html
How about r5 vs. r8? 👀
I won't be making that comparison since the R5 is over 2x the cost. I did do a R6 II vs R5 video. There is a lot that is similar between the R6 II and R8.
th-cam.com/video/4H3BJlLmgVE/w-d-xo.html
I always look at bokeh first when two cameras are put side to side😂
The R5 was easily identifiable as having better IQ even with youtube compression, but I agree that they're close enough "for most people." Now I hate it when people say that ("for most people"), because for anybody who wants the best IQ -- whether you need it or not -- you know who you are, and you (hopefully) know it's a classic case of diminishing returns to chase that last 5-10% percent. Of course, the elephant in the room is these are hybrid cameras, so many buyers want stills too, and R5 gives you your money's worth over the R7.
The R6 continues to be the 4k 60 beast.
This just makes me want to drop my R6 and pick up an R7 for video lol
I am using an SL2 and T5 as B Roll, for video of church bible study. I am considering a new camera. Would this R7 be a good option? It really looks good to me.
If you want to stay in the Canon ecosystem then the R7 is a great video camera and packs a lot of value. Check out my full review of the R7: th-cam.com/video/M0vCb9MI--o/w-d-xo.html
Do u like R7 more then R8? why?
th-cam.com/video/9yo9FYBozCc/w-d-xo.html
Hello, I am a Videographer from Paraguay. Can you make a video where you test the R7 IBIS with sigma 18-35 in video mode?
There is a vlogging test in this video with the R7 and Sigma 18-35 and IBIS turned on: th-cam.com/video/L4o3nXrz3_Y/w-d-xo.html
@@Josh_Sattin yeah that's very good, but I wonder how it will look if I am just going forward and filming for example a other person in front of me or just nature. I wonder if there are wobbles in the corners
you can buy a r6 and r7 for same price of r5
A little confused! Isn’t the 4k from the R7 cropped compared to that from the r5 (4khq) or are you using the 5.1k cropped mode 4k from the r5?
The R7 has an APSC sensor (1.6x crop from full frame). The R5 has a full frame sensor. For the examples shown I shot both the R5 and R7 in 4K fine and used a zoom lens on both to get them to match as closely as possible.
@@Josh_Sattin Ok, but I didn’t hear you mention that in your video. Without that detail, there is no way to know what you have done. As you mentioned, you could have forced the r5 into crop mode either by using an EF-s or RF-S lens or going with the cropped mode 4k with 5.1 oversample. All of these could have been compared too. Also, what two lenses did you use on each camera? I feel another video on this from you. I enjoy your vids. Thanks!
RF 15-35 on R7 and RF 24-70 on R5.
Is compatible with rf 100-500?
You can use the RF100-500 on both of these cameras.
It's also worth mentioning that buying an 8K camera assumes an 8K monitor and possibly a more powerful computer
Not necessarily. More powerful computer? I’d say almost definitely. But you don’t need an 8K monitor to make heavy use of 8K footage. I edit all of my 4K footage on a 1440p monitor and it does a great job, for similar reasons why 8K downsampled to 4K looks so much better than 4K. Even beyond that, the greater advantage of high res footage is “cropability”. With ultra high res footage, you can maintain a high-fidelity image after digitally cropping.
Could tell by highlights
Did you use the same lenses?
RF 15-35 on R7 and RF 24-70 on R5.
@@Josh_Sattin The way I can tell the difference between the two was the depth of field and background blurring , there was significantly less bokeh on the R7 samples..
I tried my best to match the depth of field with different apertures, but it's tough to get it exactly the same. I could have set the R5 to F11 and the R7 to F2.8 to try and trick people, but that wasn't the point of the comparisons or this video. Overall image quality was more about what I was trying to demonstrate there. I hope you were able to see that.
@@Josh_Sattin appreciate your keeping it honest! Great video all around!
@@bsant7 Thanks!
Hi man, Can I record movies in 2 slots on canon r7 ?
Yes you can.
Opening scene. R5 is far cleaner
No way the r7 AF is faster lmao
Ordered my R7 May 24 body only still waiting LOL
R7 with kit lens is available right now: geni.us/Uf5rTv
@@Josh_Sattin would rather put that money towards the tascam xlr adapter or a speed booster.
Just use speed booster 0.71 and problem solved :)
Kind of comparing apples to oranges. $3800.00 FF camera to $1500.00 APS C.
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