That's the problem with school, they waste your time with horse shit, then you pay the government as a thank you for feeding you horse shit, while you're broke looking for work because the horse shit was mostly useless in the working industry, then you have to focus on gaining something useful by yourself, then get paid for some good shit.
@@FightersMixHD If you study classical klingon poetry or the Political Science of Middle Earth sure... you could however study a real subject and have job offers thrown at you before you even graduate... see enginerring/law/medicine/physics/chemistry...
Christ..all the years I've been watching these films and it never dawned on me..your right..the similarities are there, hidden in plain sight..well done sir..another fantastic video..!!!
@@Menaceblue3 here's how I see it AvP: not good, worth a rewatch for the entertainment value. Prometheus: Shit. Total shit. But, worth a rewatch for the comedic value.
@@Euclides287 No that's not what I'm getting at. Had my friends say Prometheus was a good movie, but AvP was garbage, when they both came out. I thought Prometheus was a little lackluster, but a cheap enjoyable movie nonetheless. The same thing with AvP. A little lackluster bit enjoyable as well....
@@stofosaurus i liked avp. I avoided watching it for years because the concept and title is ludicrous. It was obviously a cashgrab. But it was well written. It's plot was logical. The writer wasnt on meth and lsd when they wrote it...
Well they are both loose adaptations of lovecraft’s “At the Mountain of Madness”. Which is funny considering people like to say the prequels took away the lovecraftian themes from the original movie.
I think it's more likely that Ridley watched AVP then forgot about it, but whilst writing Prometheus memories of it slipped in and he thought he was coming up with all these ideas himself.
I think it's more likely that Anderson read the 'book of Alien' that came out in 1979 and included all the preproduction material, then forgot about it, but whilst writing AvP memories of it slipped in and he thought he was coming up with all these ideas himself.
Also, let's not forget that both movies are clearly ripping off HPL's At The Mountains Of Madness, down to Antartica in one of them, and to starfish-shaped aliens in the other.
I guess both movies took ideas from the the original screenplay of Alien. In that screenplay, Kane was supposed to find the eggs inside a pyramid, not inside the derelict. In fact the pyramid was supposed to show the Alien life cycle through hieroglyphs.
@@taylorjeremy71 that’s actually what I like about the prequels. They are basically what the original Alien sequel movies were gonna be before Fox essentially told them to fuck off and brought in James because action makes more money.
@@CyberNorth-fc6wi Actually William Gibson's and Walter Hill's scripts were sequels to Aliens and Dan O'Bannon's was the original script for Alien : Starbeast. In each of these treatments the elements that Ridley stole are much more developed and make sense unlike the way Ridley used these ideas and just mashed them all together without any explanation leading to questions and confusion instead of a satisfying film. Also Jame's Aliens is a superior film to Prometheus and Covenant. You must be one of the "fans" that Ravens that fly with nightmare eyes was talking about. There were no planned sequels to Alien. The scripts being referenced were the original Alien and written and rejected scripts for Alien 3.
@@taylorjeremy71 wtf are you talking about? And get out of here with that not a true fan BS. Dan and Scott have both stated that they did have ideas that they wanted to do in Alien or do in potentially sequels, but fox didn’t even contact them to do sequels instead they jumped to James. Why are you bringing up Alien 3? Prometheus and covenant contain original ideas from the first movie and sequel ideas they had, nothing from Alien 3 or its other variations were used.
At least the expedition team in AVP was somewhat competent...which is more than you can say for the crew onboard the Prometheus beyond a handful of characters, lol. It is pretty crazy how there are so many similarities between the two movies though, seeing it all side by side I'm somewhat inclined to believe he re-used a lot of the ideas.
I think he may have been tricked into it by some of his staff to spite his throwing shade on their favorite comic book story. They took advantage of the fact he admitted he was unable to bear to watch it, and had him make a copy. And sense he is an artist who lives in a bubble filled with yes men, he will never know this unless someone tells him in a way that can pierce his yes man bubble induced cognitive dissonance. That shit is funny.
My justification is the crew in prometheus or hell humanity in general hasn't dealt with anything remotely similar to what's on prometheus and if you're using the stupid crew card let me highlight in the first Alien movie a guy looked directly into a strange organic pod after it opened and stared at it long after he saw something slither inside most people would freak out and back off they also ignored Ripley and let him inside the ship despite the fact that at this point it had melted through the helmet and latched on the melting through glass should've been the warning sign and I'm not saying the act of letting him in was idiotic ( the android did it) the fact that they were wanting to let him in not saying alien is stupid just that prometheus should have some tiny amount of slack cut
@@elihenline6089 He knew AvP took ideas from the StarBeast script, which he had far more knowledge of as it was an extensive aspect in the development of the ALIEN script. I'm not surprised he found AvP a travesty that was best ignored. Any similarities stem from the fact that Anderson was pilfering certain plot elements from the 1977 treatment that happened to be fundamental to the Prometheus script, where such elements were more justified.
Yes he is the engineer and Wolf Predator he the only one that matched Kevin Peter hall as the Predator we need him to do more Predator and alien movies he’s a giant and he’s perfect
I watched prometheus recently and i literally said to myself that the movie was essentially AVP lol odly enough avp is more fun to watch than prometheus for me. If i said the summary is a billionaire funds an expedition to a remote place and our characters get caught between two kinds of aliens, you wouldnt know which movie i was referring too.
Alright I'm dropping this fanfic idea here in case someone steals it (if they haven't already). Predators are the reason the Engineer ship didn't leave. Before departure, a small tribe of highly skilled Yautja covertly sabotaged the black goo housings which resulted in the infection of the crew. In the midst of the chaos the predators decided to have a little hunt and started picking some off (this is why some of the engineers in the pile appear as though holes have been blown through their heads rather than their chests) while they let the black goo do its work on others. They also disposed of the engineer borne trilobites which spawned. They then piled the bodies in one area as a message to others that may consider euthanizing the planet of their most favored quarry... However they left the one remaining engineer inside it's cryostasis chamber if ever it's favored quarry became unfavorable... A reliable failsafe so to speak. The enemy of your enemy may or may not be your friend...
I'd love to see comic and game threads pulled together. Dr. Kadinsky and the K-series from AVP extinction meets the red aliens from the Hive War comic. An HBO series about a colony that Weyland-Yutani uses as a testing ground, releasing facehuggers to infect different species and observe how they react and what the combos produce (cow alien, donkey alien, maybe the colony has a 'zoo' that's intended for releasing animals into the wild in the future so maybe cougars, hyenas, lions, wolves, etc.). Maybe there's animals who've already escaped and are out in the world. If they bring in Predators, maybe their hunting hounds from Predators 2010 could be impregnated for something truly grotesque and gnarly looking. The aliens develop two different hives, one natural and one given some kind of mutation by the scientists (how or where they got alien specimens can be explained as the series goes on) and they engage in a brood war over the remaining colonists and wildlife, giving the humans a chance to escape and survive while they wait for relief, all while Weyland scientists observe from terminals from some safe outpost.
I literally turned to my friend when we were watching "Prometheus" in the theater and said, "Are they remaking 'Alien vs. Predator'?!?" So...you know which said of the debate I fall on.
Lmao 😂 your friends must’ve been so annoyed they sound like they one of those alien fans that hate avp so much and always bring their lame excuse oh avp is not cannon bla bla bla 🤪🤪
@@adriel88_ yeah I get the same shit from people. Every fuckin time I talk about Alien. I keep hearing them bitch about how they don’t like the prequels 🙄 it’s like they were forced to watch them. So annoying.
I've always thought of that. Many beat to beat are similar. From the inaccurate pseudoscience/archaeologist to the character tropes. Except one is clearly better, at least one pays off with some interesting action rather than some wannabe deep philosophical tale.
As I watched this I grew more and more embarrassed for Ridley Scott. I had never noticed the similarities honestly but now I can't unsee them. And the scary thing is that as I watched this I began to realize that AVP largely handled the material BETTER in a lot of these cases. The characters in AVP are mostly by the numbers, cookie cutter, but they don't act wildly inconsistent like they do in Prometheus. In Prometheus you've got mapping balls but Fifield and the scientist still get lost, they are terrified of an alien mummy that is clearly thousands of years old but later the scientist guy basically tries to make out with a clearly dangerous albino space-cobra. As you point out one version of Weylan mostly just wants to be remembered, the other one wants ACTUAL IMMORTALITY which, now that I consider it, is probably the most childish dumb shit I've seen in a big budget sci-fi film (Scott seems to have a fetish for people demanding longer life spans from their creator for some reason as it happens in Blade Runner as well). He seriously puts himself secretly on board in cryosleep because he just ASSUMES the aliens can help him live forever. AVP knows what it is, monster movie schlock, not high art, but Prometheus attempts and, I would argue, UTTERLY FAILS to touch upon heady serious themes about creation, faith, souls, etc. A lot of Prometheus never pays off or makes any sense, from the carvings that clearly show a Xenomorph queen to the idea that Engineers are genetically identical to us (which makes no sense on any level at all), to the importance of Vickers being Weylan's daughter, etc. Both are clearly HEAVILY inspired by Chariots of the Gods and the idea of ancient astronauts but once again I think the Prometheus version is actually DUMBER. After all Shaw and Holloway just assume it's an invitation and also that the engineers engineered us and Holloway sulks like a child when he realizes he's not going to get to talk to the Engineers. Again somehow, as cheesy and stupid as AVP is Prometheus manages to be dumber and more childish while pretending to be way way smarter. It's so sad but this video has actually made me APPRECIATE Alien Vs Predator and feel super embarrassed for Sir Ridley Scott.
The difference between avp and prometheus is one is a pretty good movie with logical writing and characters and the other made everyone wonder if Ridley Scott had Dementia or has just gotten into hard drugs
Its an interesting theory. As a fan of the 2004 film AvP it does hurt to hear the creators never wanted such a crossover despite the large fan following it created. Until this review I never thought about the similarities these two films had and given Ridley's opinion on AvP as a whole and resent treads in Hollywood I'm not surprised. Hollywood as of late has been in a trend of reusing/rehashing old tropes and ideas. A lot of films end up feeling similar because of it. If Scott is being honest and never seen AvP then he's fallen into the same mire that many of Hollywood's directors have with over using certain tropes. If he's lying then it does paint the scenario in a different light though one I'm not sure I like. Alien Covenant was a terrible film in my opinion with how it told its story, and whether or not you agree is entirely up to you. I mention it though because it makes me wonder if Scott really knows what's best for the franchise, or if he's slipping into the same train that many feel Lucas an Spielberg have when they did Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Regardless as a fan of the AvP setting I'll just have to disagree with Ridley. Still great video man always love and enjoy your deep dives into the mythos of both worlds.
I don't think Scott even knows what he's doing or where he wants his story to go, Covenant is so loosely linked to Prometheus that it almost feels like they're from entirely different creators... Dunno if he's already senile or something, but he definitely has to leave the franchise, without new blood to revitalize it this universe may find it's end... At least in regards to high quality content...
Maybe because it was the first Alien film without Ripley involved, though that concept was familiar to fans of the comics. And it probably shouldn't have been set on Earth. But it's a solid, fun monster movie. I actually wish it spent a bit longer with its doomed characters, it's all a bit rushed (like a ten minute xeno gestation?!) But it is so much less pretentious than Prometheus.
@@jneilson7568 why not you can have the last alien movie tie in to AvP because the queen is frozen on Earth when the Ripley clone finally returns to earth😲
@@garyb8055 That's a good way of looking at it, true, it would tie it together if they'd stuck with following the Resurrection plotlines (there was at least one sequel novel). My own preference is that the Aliens weren't on Earth until at least the Earth War comics. And even then, it's a shame all of Ripley's efforts to stop the Alien kind of became pointless! But I like having more Aliens too 😅
@@jneilson7568 Yeah, definitely a fun and nonpretentious monster movie 😍. I really liked the how it and requiem set up Weyland-Yutanis genesis. And explains how the company knew about the alien and the jump in technology needed to make something like the Nostromo.
@@skepticalmagos_101 I think people who were familiar with the idea of AvP didn't care for it being modern day as opposed to the Ripley era as that cut out the Colonial Marines, like trying for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without bothering with the bread. The design of the Predators was also lacking, as opposed to the imposing P1 or the agile P2 of their respective films AvP's design was like the Yautja equivalent of meathead dudebros (maybe they just ate too much steroid beef). Something about the execution of the team-up at the end also seemed ham-fisted, it wasn't new to the IP what with Machiko but the film had less of that and more an Anchorman "I hate you but goddam I respect you" hamminess. Also there was the familiar issue where properties that earned their respect on mature ratings get toned down for a wider audience that rarely (if ever?) results in a satisfying follow up. To its credit, Requiem for its flaws did a better job in that regard than AvP.
I don’t blame Ridley for not understanding how similar they were since he didn’t watch AVP. I blame the writers; Jon Spaihts and Damon Lindelof. There’s just no conceivable way I can imagine that they didn’t take direct inspiration from AVP after watching this. My mind is blown.
You can call it Karma since Ridley went so harsh and said ugly things towards the avp and insulting avp fans because avp has fans lots of fans and let’s be honest Scott insulted us by making fun of the movies sure they aren’t masterpiece like they’re predecessors but no one can’t deny de fight scenes were epic we were there to see alien and predator duke it out and that’s what we got 🥰🥰🥰 now karma in the sense that Ridley mocked the movie so much that his Prometheus is so similar lmao 😂 I call it Karma for Mr Scott lol
@@fizikz9647 no they weren’t ok there’s lots of people who love the avp movies can you have a little respect for the people that do love the movies please have some respect 😒😒😒 the second one was the best one it had the best predator ever in any predator movie yeah I know it’s a dark movie but I got used to it and I can see what’s happening I can see the battle scene nice and clear AVP requiem is better than Predators and The Predator have some respect for the avp fans please MR. 😏😏
@@fizikz9647 at least in avp the xenomorphs are still referred to as Acient Serpents in your shitty prequels they were created by a emotional robot with girl periods called David 😂😂😂😁😁🤷🏾♂️ don’t be a clown 🤡 bro don’t do this to yourself
I always liked to believe that everything is connected. I can explain it with a bit of stretching. Charles Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen in AvP) created his company Weyland Industries and the events in that movie took place. When he passed, his holdings in the company were either given to his wife or next of kin (a son) in 2004. It’s said on the Weyland Corporation website that Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce in Prometheus) was born on October 1, 1990. When he came of age, he could have taken his shares in the either defunct or waning Weyland Industries to restructure or create the new Weyland Corporation in 2012. There’s nothing that directly states Peter is not the son of Charles, other than the accent and birthplace. Which can be easily explained as Charles married an English woman and they were in India when he was born. This would still keep the logic that the Bishop android was designed to look like his creator (Michael Bishop / Michael Weyland, “Bishop II” in the Alien 3 credits), if we’re still believing he’s human. ...I can’t keep that one straight anymore.
Kroft talks about movies made a video called "Did the Engineers Create the Predators ? PROOF" talking about how the two series are in the same universe. I both like and recommend his video.
They're basically the same movie, but one was made with a much larger budget and by Ridley Scott... ...and yet AVP is still somehow the more watchable movie.
Exactly. I saw it again recently for the first time in 10 years and it makes me realize that the characters in Prometheus made the entire film a miserable drag between "interesting" scenes.
@@dualityomk9854 bro Ridley Scott is a talented director but as a person his a piece of shit not only he made fun of AVP he also made fun of us the fans and I feel like he insulted us trying to make us seem like we’re losers and don’t know shit just because we love and like AVP Scott thinks he owns alien just because he did the first one he did Neill Bloomkamp dirty and also manage to fucked up the alien prequels I don’t give a fuck what the toxic alien fans thinks I’m not talking about the good fans I’m talking about the toxic ones that hate avp so much they bash us all the time oh avp isn’t cannon bla bla bla fuck you like AVP is awesome and there many of us who love it and will stand behind it bro facts
It's a real messed up thing to say about AVP. Considering how much Paul Anderson praised Alien and Aliens. I realize AVP wasn't the greatest film ever but its still very entertaining and the Predator Pyramid was really cool..👽🛸
@@MykeHavoc it was the fight scenes were epic the first show down when the alien kills chopper predator no one can’t deny it is a legendary moment and you get goosebumps
@@MykeHavoc the aliens were fantastic when grid alien blows Celtic predator head and he starts screaming and screeching man 😟😟😟 that shot looks scary 😟 with the alien on top of the dead predator screaming victory over the pile of skulls what a beautiful shot that was
I honestly like to think AVP is cannon, exclusively for the similarities and contrast of both the Weyland characters, Charles accepts both his death and even recognizes his folly and dies attempting to protect other people, whereas Peter is the exact opposite.
It’s just the same sci fi tropes repeating in both films. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. However, which film is better? For me it’s AvP, it was more fun to watch!
Wonderful video! I recently read JW Rinzler's book on Alien which discusses many of the original ideas that were discarded and didn't make it into the original movie due to constraints of time or budget, or simply because they were considered too daft or complex. Not surprisingly most have been gleefully recycled by the subsequent movies in the franchise. Prometheus includes ideas that Ridley Scott discussed with Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett back in the 1970s so it is easy to see how AVP also dredged up such similar nuggets from the writing kitty litter.
Scott's new "Alien" movies suck in my opinion. AVP is an awesome concept for a 1990 comic by Dark Horse Comics. Someone needs to film a movie based on it.
First i was: "Noou way, man." After this video: "mein got, I've been blind.." But somehow it's fitting: the whole alien-saga has always been about lifecycles, birth and death. Rebirth and resurrection. Now the man who started this all, in one way or the other, travels the same kind of journey, way back and way in the future. And as in the Alien: Resurrection, Covenant rebirths aliens again through horrific experiments, death and huge suffering to the main character of previous movie. To create unnatural life just because they can do it. Like the Engineers! "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" In the Resurrection, artificial programming almost caused a genocide. In Covenant, it did just that. Yey, connections all around! I gotta say this series in all it's ups and downs just keep on giving year after year! Scared shitless since '92 and now i have to watch these yet again but this time the AVP:s included :D
I love AVP it's a very fun movie. It's an excuse to make movie monsters fight. It knows what it is and embraces it. Prometheus was trying way too hard to be profound. But it didn't understand what makes something profound.
Another similarity: Neither was worth spending movie theatre ticket prices on. The ol "I'm so glad I waited til it came on DVD/TV/etc" line was definitely meant for movies like these two. 😆
Why can't Jim Cameron just make another Aliens movie. Hell, I'd even settle for Neil Blomkamp's pitch. These Prometheus/Covenant movies are right up there with Alien Resurrection as far as worst Alien movies go. Yep I didn't mind Alien 3 (extended version). I'm sure I'll get bashed for this! 😆
It's funny because The Predator franchise continues on with the crossover while Alien completely ignores it, if you remember the newest Predator movie had some Easter Eggs related to AVP
Yes it had the AVP spear with the alien tail and I loved it 🙂🙂🙂 great Easter Egg 🥰🥰 Shane Black likes the avp movies and he spoke on a interview before the movie released he said that he thinks the avp story shouldn’t be ignored and should be continued also the spaceship of the latest Predator movie looks real similar to the design of the avp spacecraft on the interior I love ❤️ seeing the alien spear on the movie 🥰🥰🥰
@@byrdface94 Disney is stupid if they really wanna make money they should put lot of money into making AVP 3 they don’t have to reboot it we all remember the ending of AVP REQUIEM were Yutani had the predator plasma gun that’s where the humans reverse engineer it and obtain all their advance tech seen in alien franchise so I say they should set AVP 3 in space in a different planet like the first avp comic and have a female protagonist play as Machico Noguchi the human predator and hire a good director and trust me the movie will brake the box office if people see a trailer with these words AVP 3: in space no one can run and this time it’s war man I tell you people gonna loose their shits lol 😝
@@byrdface94 ima be honest with you I love both avp films but my favorite one is avpr but not gonna lie the first battle in avp when the alien stabs chopper with its tail and lift him up and they see each other face to face gotta be one of the most legendary historical moments in cinema history 🥰🥰
It's not a remake, or a coincidence. AVP was likely based off a story treatment that was floating around, a story treatment Ridley probably wanted to use. That's probably why he is so butthurt about AVP.
Been saying this since day one when I saw Prometheus. As it stands... Alien vs. Predator (2004) > Prometheus (2012) Can’t wait for Disney/Fox to make a new Aliens vs. Predator film in time.
The new alien vs predator movie should a reboot and be similar to the 2010 video game. It should be in the future with colonial marines in a jungle planet.
Here's a fun fact: The AVP movie was ALMOST a page by page telling of the comic. Mainly the PLANET and TIME ZONE was changed. -_- and yeah..... And the early 2000's gimmick with the "BUT I HAVE A GUN" chick, acting all bad ass.... XD only to be the SECOND PERSON TO GET KILLED! XD She was holding her GUN and..... -_- okay, I'm getting ahead of myself.
This is so great🤣 - been a fan of the franchise forever but only recently watched alien v predator and my jaw dropped numerous times at all the similarities. Found it so funny too after looking into Ridleys opinions on that movie only to then go and make wat he made, it really cracked me up Im so stoked u put this out there ..made me feel a lot less alone in my observations
I liked "AvP" but didn't care that it was cut down to a PG-13 rating. Since Darkhorse comics started the series, there was rumor I heard, that in the original storyline or proposed idea for "Alien 3", everyone gets killed off by the Alien, except for Ripley, who was taken by Waylen-Yutani in a cliffhanger. The creature all alone, in a close-up shot, there were three glowing red dots pointed at its head.
Prometheus isn't even a better horror movie than AVP. However, I think that the really dumb scientists from Pro would have fit better in AVP. Then we could laugh at them instead of cringing.
i could totally see the predators being the engineer's answer to their own creation: the xenomorph. Or the predators could simply be another by-product of the engineer's life-making antics
Damn, you beat me to it. I've been watching the two movies repeatedly, making notes to do the exact same video. Yes, there are other similarities such as the running from the queen shot you showed is almost identical to the running from the rolling ship scene. You can also find jabs at Alien Resurrection, such as David riding a bicycle and making one handed swoosh shots with a basketball. I believe Scott was taking jabs at a lot of stuff, flexing his director's music and subsequently making an ass out of himself. For all of its flaws AVP is a superior movie, unpretentious and entertaining.
I honestly think AvP was a more fun movie. It's not very smart though. Prometheus got rather incomprehensible by act 3, almost like it was trying to shoehorn the Aliens into a narrative that wasn't initially supposed to have them.
Honestly, Prometheus is an adaptation of Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness." Spoilers follow, but if you've seen one or read the other, they're largely the same story: A group of scientists of different fields travel to then-unexplored (circa 1930something) frozen wasteland of Antarctica. They find aliens frozen in the ice, which when revived kill some of their crew. The humans discover an ancient city that predates humanity. They uncover information within the city showing that these aliens likely were responsible for the creation of humanity and indeed all life on Earth. Oh, and then there's also a rogue shape-shifting alien killing machine that this species created that is now after the remaining scientist/explorers. Parallels? You could say that.
Del Toro was apparently was going to finally to get his “At the Mountain of Madness” movie made only for the studio to hear about “Prometheus” and cancelled because they didn’t want to be accused of ripping it off.
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px that's crazy, studios don't usually mind having two similar movies competing at once! I'd definitely watch that story twice over - sci fi has basically been stealing from it for decades anyway.
Ironically, he and many alien fans fervently deny AvP as canon, however there is nothing that actually says they can’t fit together. And if you think about it, the predators being the race who corrupted us into violence, away from the engineer desires, and subsequently being the ones who pushed the engineers far enough to need to use bio-weapons in their wars... It makes quite a bit of sense.
Omfg 🙀 bro so basically the Predators are the fallen angels of Lucifer and the engineer are Gods angels Omfg 😳😳😳😱😱😱😱😱 Im loosing my shits bro I’m screaming 😳😳🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
@@josiahcmiller me too I hope they make a actual appearance down the line I don't know why some people hate the rage war trilogy it introduce some cool ideas that can be explored
Prometheus just have a more shiny and pretentious shell to me is unbearable i only like the removal operation for how graphic it was and the Deacon (even though didn't do anything)
Pot calling the kettle here...Ridley's two prequels were awful. Not just awful, they intentionally tried to undo so much of the great work of other filmmakers (including himself).
I think it's completely ridiculous but entertaining non the less. Great video like always. How you manage to come up with more content then the franchise itself is beyond me lol.
Personally I think it's more likely that both films rely on old tropes, stories of explorers on doomed voyages and stories of ancient civilizations have both been around for a very long time, not to mention all the old horror and sci-fi tropes. Combine elements from those tropes and you get Prometheus or AVP... You also get The Thing, 2001, Event Horizon, and countless other movies, shows, books, and games.
What made Prometheus bad though was how absolutely braindead the whole cast was. Like their first reaction to seeing a dead alien head is to shock it back to life.
I agree. This movie happened because they found the dumbest people with a degree and stuffed the in a ship. But this video actually corrects my view on things. Now i know Prometheus fits nicely into the same b-movie category as AvP does.
@@Brakiri That is what i thought while watching Prometheus. Its a ok B-movie like you would see in the 80s. But nothing more. The second it tried to take itself seriously is when it really lost me too.
My first thought after watching Prometheus (10 years ago!) was how similar it was to AvP, which I thought was quite funny, whether it was intentional or not, so I'm glad someone else has seen that. The main connection is the Von Daniken nonsense about alien intervention in human evolution - Pyramids in AvP, DNA in Prometheus. You also had it in The Crystal Skull. An early rendition of the Alien eggs was in a giant pyramid, and the 'skull' dome in Prometheus is from Giger's Dune concept, so you have all that going on too. You could argue - lack of ideas = mining similar territory.
Agreed. I think they both stole/homaged the mood of that scene from Aliens. But then Prometheus so heavily echoed AvP,.it takes it way beyond an accidental reference.
I always knew that these films were similar but when compared like this the truth is crazy to believe. Prometheus is a blatant copy. It's still enjoyable nonetheless.
Basically you pointed out how much of a quack Ridley Scott has become over the years without his supporting writing team to balance the plot, cinematography, and tone of the films....💯
Shaw and Lex both have sad backstories concerning deceased fathers.
Good point!
I wish there was a subject called Alien Theory when I was in college.
Oooo me too I'd have a masters degree ♥
The amount of pointless studies subjects they do have in college now, they may as well have an Alien Theory one.
That's the problem with school, they waste your time with horse shit, then you pay the government as a thank you for feeding you horse shit, while you're broke looking for work because the horse shit was mostly useless in the working industry, then you have to focus on gaining something useful by yourself, then get paid for some good shit.
Lol
@@FightersMixHD
If you study classical klingon poetry or the Political Science of Middle Earth sure... you could however study a real subject and have job offers thrown at you before you even graduate... see enginerring/law/medicine/physics/chemistry...
I never really noticed all those similarities in these two films. I guess that's why we love our Alien Theory. The Alien fan's treasure.
well said! im dying 4 more films
Christ..all the years I've been watching these films and it never dawned on me..your right..the similarities are there, hidden in plain sight..well done sir..another fantastic video..!!!
I’m with You, on that...
& I almost totally feel duped 🙄💢❗️
I didn't see it either
Same I've seen avp 30 times or so as it's my more favorite of the 2
It's quite funny how many similarities there are between the two movies after Ridley's comments on how bad AvP was.
AvP: bad
Prometheus: good
They're both the same....
@@Menaceblue3 When you look at the number of dumb decisions made by the characters in Prometheus can you really say it's a good film?
@@Menaceblue3 here's how I see it
AvP: not good, worth a rewatch for the entertainment value.
Prometheus: Shit. Total shit. But, worth a rewatch for the comedic value.
@@Euclides287
No that's not what I'm getting at.
Had my friends say Prometheus was a good movie, but AvP was garbage, when they both came out. I thought Prometheus was a little lackluster, but a cheap enjoyable movie nonetheless.
The same thing with AvP. A little lackluster bit enjoyable as well....
@@stofosaurus i liked avp. I avoided watching it for years because the concept and title is ludicrous. It was obviously a cashgrab. But it was well written. It's plot was logical. The writer wasnt on meth and lsd when they wrote it...
"I was not a fan of Alien Vs. Predator"
*Goes on to make it again.
Well they are both loose adaptations of lovecraft’s “At the Mountain of Madness”. Which is funny considering people like to say the prequels took away the lovecraftian themes from the original movie.
Which is also influenced The Thing
*Goes in thinking April fools*
*Walks out thinking* "Hmm...this may have merit"
Same
Exact same!
I concur... I was skeptical but walked away surprised by the valid parallels noted by Alien Theory. Interesting. 👍🏽
I think it's more likely that Ridley watched AVP then forgot about it, but whilst writing Prometheus memories of it slipped in and he thought he was coming up with all these ideas himself.
He didn't write shit
More likely Damon Lindendorf who wrote the movie was taking stuff directly from AvP
I think it's more likely that Anderson read the 'book of Alien' that came out in 1979 and included all the preproduction material, then forgot about it, but whilst writing AvP memories of it slipped in and he thought he was coming up with all these ideas himself.
It's like poetry, they rhyme
Your eyes didn't see it, but your brain did
Spot on :)
Millburn is the key to all of this!!
It took 12 years to make!
Until Disney gets their hands on it and hires jarjar Abrams
Also, let's not forget that both movies are clearly ripping off HPL's At The Mountains Of Madness, down to Antartica in one of them, and to starfish-shaped aliens in the other.
Spot on!
I guess both movies took ideas from the the original screenplay of Alien. In that screenplay, Kane was supposed to find the eggs inside a pyramid, not inside the derelict. In fact the pyramid was supposed to show the Alien life cycle through hieroglyphs.
I've noticed a lot of " Ridley's ideas" came from screenplays by Dan O'Bannon, Walter Hill, and William Gibson.
@@taylorjeremy71 I've noticed a lot of "fans" mistakenly attach scrapped ideas to Ridley. It's kind of disgusting.
@@taylorjeremy71 that’s actually what I like about the prequels. They are basically what the original Alien sequel movies were gonna be before Fox essentially told them to fuck off and brought in James because action makes more money.
@@CyberNorth-fc6wi Actually William Gibson's and Walter Hill's scripts were sequels to Aliens and Dan O'Bannon's was the original script for Alien : Starbeast. In each of these treatments the elements that Ridley stole are much more developed and make sense unlike the way Ridley used these ideas and just mashed them all together without any explanation leading to questions and confusion instead of a satisfying film. Also Jame's Aliens is a superior film to Prometheus and Covenant. You must be one of the "fans" that Ravens that fly with nightmare eyes was talking about. There were no planned sequels to Alien. The scripts being referenced were the original Alien and written and rejected scripts for Alien 3.
@@taylorjeremy71 wtf are you talking about? And get out of here with that not a true fan BS. Dan and Scott have both stated that they did have ideas that they wanted to do in Alien or do in potentially sequels, but fox didn’t even contact them to do sequels instead they jumped to James. Why are you bringing up Alien 3? Prometheus and covenant contain original ideas from the first movie and sequel ideas they had, nothing from Alien 3 or its other variations were used.
At least the expedition team in AVP was somewhat competent...which is more than you can say for the crew onboard the Prometheus beyond a handful of characters, lol. It is pretty crazy how there are so many similarities between the two movies though, seeing it all side by side I'm somewhat inclined to believe he re-used a lot of the ideas.
After he made fun of the movies and laugh at the avp fans 🙄🙄🙄 the audacity of Scott I tell ya 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I think he may have been tricked into it by some of his staff to spite his throwing shade on their favorite comic book story. They took advantage of the fact he admitted he was unable to bear to watch it, and had him make a copy. And sense he is an artist who lives in a bubble filled with yes men, he will never know this unless someone tells him in a way that can pierce his yes man bubble induced cognitive dissonance. That shit is funny.
My justification is the crew in prometheus or hell humanity in general hasn't dealt with anything remotely similar to what's on prometheus and if you're using the stupid crew card let me highlight in the first Alien movie a guy looked directly into a strange organic pod after it opened and stared at it long after he saw something slither inside most people would freak out and back off they also ignored Ripley and let him inside the ship despite the fact that at this point it had melted through the helmet and latched on the melting through glass should've been the warning sign and I'm not saying the act of letting him in was idiotic ( the android did it) the fact that they were wanting to let him in not saying alien is stupid just that prometheus should have some tiny amount of slack cut
Part 2 of your argument doesn’t hold water as it was ash who let the alien on board, the secret robot with ulterior motives.
@@elihenline6089 He knew AvP took ideas from the StarBeast script, which he had far more knowledge of as it was an extensive aspect in the development of the ALIEN script. I'm not surprised he found AvP a travesty that was best ignored. Any similarities stem from the fact that Anderson was pilfering certain plot elements from the 1977 treatment that happened to be fundamental to the Prometheus script, where such elements were more justified.
Weyland board meeting "we must find Ian White, the company's fate depends on it"
Yes he is the engineer and Wolf Predator he the only one that matched Kevin Peter hall as the Predator we need him to do more Predator and alien movies he’s a giant and he’s perfect
Ah-HaHa 🤣‼️
James Cameron enters the room.
We need an alien terminator??
I watched prometheus recently and i literally said to myself that the movie was essentially AVP lol odly enough avp is more fun to watch than prometheus for me. If i said the summary is a billionaire funds an expedition to a remote place and our characters get caught between two kinds of aliens, you wouldnt know which movie i was referring too.
Alright I'm dropping this fanfic idea here in case someone steals it (if they haven't already).
Predators are the reason the Engineer ship didn't leave. Before departure, a small tribe of highly skilled Yautja covertly sabotaged the black goo housings which resulted in the infection of the crew. In the midst of the chaos the predators decided to have a little hunt and started picking some off (this is why some of the engineers in the pile appear as though holes have been blown through their heads rather than their chests) while they let the black goo do its work on others. They also disposed of the engineer borne trilobites which spawned. They then piled the bodies in one area as a message to others that may consider euthanizing the planet of their most favored quarry...
However they left the one remaining engineer inside it's cryostasis chamber if ever it's favored quarry became unfavorable... A reliable failsafe so to speak.
The enemy of your enemy may or may not be your friend...
I’d watch it.
I mean no matter how you look at it, I think we can all agree that an adaptation of the Dark Horse comics would be awesome.
A series. If it was taken seriously and done as well as the comics .. and alien theorie's take on them it would rival GOT
@@charlesreid9337 oh absolutely. Earth War, Concrete Jungle, Outbreak. hell yeah
Let's hope Disney doesn't do avp like they did star wars legends
I'd love to see comic and game threads pulled together. Dr. Kadinsky and the K-series from AVP extinction meets the red aliens from the Hive War comic.
An HBO series about a colony that Weyland-Yutani uses as a testing ground, releasing facehuggers to infect different species and observe how they react and what the combos produce (cow alien, donkey alien, maybe the colony has a 'zoo' that's intended for releasing animals into the wild in the future so maybe cougars, hyenas, lions, wolves, etc.). Maybe there's animals who've already escaped and are out in the world. If they bring in Predators, maybe their hunting hounds from Predators 2010 could be impregnated for something truly grotesque and gnarly looking.
The aliens develop two different hives, one natural and one given some kind of mutation by the scientists (how or where they got alien specimens can be explained as the series goes on) and they engage in a brood war over the remaining colonists and wildlife, giving the humans a chance to escape and survive while they wait for relief, all while Weyland scientists observe from terminals from some safe outpost.
This franchise shouldn't continue imo.
I completely forgot Spud from Trainspotting was in AvP ;D
Choose life
I literally turned to my friend when we were watching "Prometheus" in the theater and said, "Are they remaking 'Alien vs. Predator'?!?" So...you know which said of the debate I fall on.
Lmao 😂 your friends must’ve been so annoyed they sound like they one of those alien fans that hate avp so much and always bring their lame excuse oh avp is not cannon bla bla bla 🤪🤪
@@adriel88_ yeah I get the same shit from people.
Every fuckin time I talk about Alien. I keep hearing them bitch about how they don’t like the prequels 🙄 it’s like they were forced to watch them.
So annoying.
Well... when I saw this video I thought you were insane. Eight minutes in and I'm starting to agree with you! Great job!!
This movies have obviously the same structure..its even more noticeable in this video..great job !!
I've always thought of that. Many beat to beat are similar. From the inaccurate pseudoscience/archaeologist to the character tropes. Except one is clearly better, at least one pays off with some interesting action rather than some wannabe deep philosophical tale.
Avp whoop whoop 🏆 avp whoop whoop 🏆
Ian white is racking up some decent kill streaks 😂😂
Geez. When you put it that way and look it that way, it's almost impossible not to at least consider it.
As I watched this I grew more and more embarrassed for Ridley Scott. I had never noticed the similarities honestly but now I can't unsee them. And the scary thing is that as I watched this I began to realize that AVP largely handled the material BETTER in a lot of these cases.
The characters in AVP are mostly by the numbers, cookie cutter, but they don't act wildly inconsistent like they do in Prometheus. In Prometheus you've got mapping balls but Fifield and the scientist still get lost, they are terrified of an alien mummy that is clearly thousands of years old but later the scientist guy basically tries to make out with a clearly dangerous albino space-cobra.
As you point out one version of Weylan mostly just wants to be remembered, the other one wants ACTUAL IMMORTALITY which, now that I consider it, is probably the most childish dumb shit I've seen in a big budget sci-fi film (Scott seems to have a fetish for people demanding longer life spans from their creator for some reason as it happens in Blade Runner as well). He seriously puts himself secretly on board in cryosleep because he just ASSUMES the aliens can help him live forever.
AVP knows what it is, monster movie schlock, not high art, but Prometheus attempts and, I would argue, UTTERLY FAILS to touch upon heady serious themes about creation, faith, souls, etc. A lot of Prometheus never pays off or makes any sense, from the carvings that clearly show a Xenomorph queen to the idea that Engineers are genetically identical to us (which makes no sense on any level at all), to the importance of Vickers being Weylan's daughter, etc.
Both are clearly HEAVILY inspired by Chariots of the Gods and the idea of ancient astronauts but once again I think the Prometheus version is actually DUMBER. After all Shaw and Holloway just assume it's an invitation and also that the engineers engineered us and Holloway sulks like a child when he realizes he's not going to get to talk to the Engineers. Again somehow, as cheesy and stupid as AVP is Prometheus manages to be dumber and more childish while pretending to be way way smarter.
It's so sad but this video has actually made me APPRECIATE Alien Vs Predator and feel super embarrassed for Sir Ridley Scott.
I knew i wasn't the only one who caught similarities between them!
This is a fantastically well illustrated analysis
The difference between avp and prometheus is one is a pretty good movie with logical writing and characters and the other made everyone wonder if Ridley Scott had Dementia or has just gotten into hard drugs
I’m surprised a lot of people actually appreciate avp more so now than ever before
Its an interesting theory. As a fan of the 2004 film AvP it does hurt to hear the creators never wanted such a crossover despite the large fan following it created. Until this review I never thought about the similarities these two films had and given Ridley's opinion on AvP as a whole and resent treads in Hollywood I'm not surprised. Hollywood as of late has been in a trend of reusing/rehashing old tropes and ideas. A lot of films end up feeling similar because of it. If Scott is being honest and never seen AvP then he's fallen into the same mire that many of Hollywood's directors have with over using certain tropes. If he's lying then it does paint the scenario in a different light though one I'm not sure I like. Alien Covenant was a terrible film in my opinion with how it told its story, and whether or not you agree is entirely up to you. I mention it though because it makes me wonder if Scott really knows what's best for the franchise, or if he's slipping into the same train that many feel Lucas an Spielberg have when they did Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Regardless as a fan of the AvP setting I'll just have to disagree with Ridley. Still great video man always love and enjoy your deep dives into the mythos of both worlds.
I don't think Scott even knows what he's doing or where he wants his story to go, Covenant is so loosely linked to Prometheus that it almost feels like they're from entirely different creators... Dunno if he's already senile or something, but he definitely has to leave the franchise, without new blood to revitalize it this universe may find it's end... At least in regards to high quality content...
As an avid alien fan I've always found avp1 setting quite enjoyable and engaging. Can't understand why ppl dislike it. :/
Maybe because it was the first Alien film without Ripley involved, though that concept was familiar to fans of the comics. And it probably shouldn't have been set on Earth. But it's a solid, fun monster movie. I actually wish it spent a bit longer with its doomed characters, it's all a bit rushed (like a ten minute xeno gestation?!) But it is so much less pretentious than Prometheus.
@@jneilson7568 why not you can have the last alien movie tie in to AvP because the queen is frozen on Earth when the Ripley clone finally returns to earth😲
@@garyb8055 That's a good way of looking at it, true, it would tie it together if they'd stuck with following the Resurrection plotlines (there was at least one sequel novel).
My own preference is that the Aliens weren't on Earth until at least the Earth War comics. And even then, it's a shame all of Ripley's efforts to stop the Alien kind of became pointless! But I like having more Aliens too 😅
@@jneilson7568 Yeah, definitely a fun and nonpretentious monster movie 😍.
I really liked the how it and requiem set up Weyland-Yutanis genesis. And explains how the company knew about the alien and the jump in technology needed to make something like the Nostromo.
@@skepticalmagos_101 I think people who were familiar with the idea of AvP didn't care for it being modern day as opposed to the Ripley era as that cut out the Colonial Marines, like trying for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich without bothering with the bread.
The design of the Predators was also lacking, as opposed to the imposing P1 or the agile P2 of their respective films AvP's design was like the Yautja equivalent of meathead dudebros (maybe they just ate too much steroid beef).
Something about the execution of the team-up at the end also seemed ham-fisted, it wasn't new to the IP what with Machiko but the film had less of that and more an Anchorman "I hate you but goddam I respect you" hamminess.
Also there was the familiar issue where properties that earned their respect on mature ratings get toned down for a wider audience that rarely (if ever?) results in a satisfying follow up. To its credit, Requiem for its flaws did a better job in that regard than AvP.
I don’t blame Ridley for not understanding how similar they were since he didn’t watch AVP. I blame the writers; Jon Spaihts and Damon Lindelof. There’s just no conceivable way I can imagine that they didn’t take direct inspiration from AVP after watching this. My mind is blown.
You can call it Karma since Ridley went so harsh and said ugly things towards the avp and insulting avp fans because avp has fans lots of fans and let’s be honest Scott insulted us by making fun of the movies sure they aren’t masterpiece like they’re predecessors but no one can’t deny de fight scenes were epic we were there to see alien and predator duke it out and that’s what we got 🥰🥰🥰 now karma in the sense that Ridley mocked the movie so much that his Prometheus is so similar lmao 😂 I call it Karma for Mr Scott lol
@@adriel88_ they were shit movies and the second one is filmed so incompently that it's so dark you cant see anything
@@fizikz9647 no they weren’t ok there’s lots of people who love the avp movies can you have a little respect for the people that do love the movies please have some respect 😒😒😒 the second one was the best one it had the best predator ever in any predator movie yeah I know it’s a dark movie but I got used to it and I can see what’s happening I can see the battle scene nice and clear AVP requiem is better than Predators and The Predator have some respect for the avp fans please MR. 😏😏
@@fizikz9647 Avp is better than that shit Prometheus and alien covenant 😌😌 clearly you don’t know what your talking about dude 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@fizikz9647 at least in avp the xenomorphs are still referred to as Acient Serpents in your shitty prequels they were created by a emotional robot with girl periods called David 😂😂😂😁😁🤷🏾♂️ don’t be a clown 🤡 bro don’t do this to yourself
You did not FOOL me today, Derek!
13 minutes later: ...hell, you're right! ;-)
I always liked to believe that everything is connected. I can explain it with a bit of stretching.
Charles Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen in AvP) created his company Weyland Industries and the events in that movie took place. When he passed, his holdings in the company were either given to his wife or next of kin (a son) in 2004.
It’s said on the Weyland Corporation website that Peter Weyland (Guy Pearce in Prometheus) was born on October 1, 1990. When he came of age, he could have taken his shares in the either defunct or waning Weyland Industries to restructure or create the new Weyland Corporation in 2012.
There’s nothing that directly states Peter is not the son of Charles, other than the accent and birthplace. Which can be easily explained as Charles married an English woman and they were in India when he was born.
This would still keep the logic that the Bishop android was designed to look like his creator (Michael Bishop / Michael Weyland, “Bishop II” in the Alien 3 credits), if we’re still believing he’s human. ...I can’t keep that one straight anymore.
Kroft talks about movies made a video called "Did the Engineers Create the Predators ? PROOF" talking about how the two series are in the same universe. I both like and recommend his video.
FYI - Ridley said in an tv-interview that he liked AVP - i saw it, so recall it.
He loved AVP and lied about not watching it. Its a clear copy paste and honestly these movies need each other to survive
This is an april fool’s joke but honestly it’s pretty genius. the real one being dunked on here is ridley scott in the end hahahahaha
They're basically the same movie, but one was made with a much larger budget and by Ridley Scott...
...and yet AVP is still somehow the more watchable movie.
Exactly. I saw it again recently for the first time in 10 years and it makes me realize that the characters in Prometheus made the entire film a miserable drag between "interesting" scenes.
It's OK Ridley, AvP fans will be diplomatic with their opinions of Prometheus too ;)
RS acted offended when i told him i had to go drop off a steaming pile of promethius at the toilet
haha well said
@@dualityomk9854 bro Ridley Scott is a talented director but as a person his a piece of shit not only he made fun of AVP he also made fun of us the fans and I feel like he insulted us trying to make us seem like we’re losers and don’t know shit just because we love and like AVP Scott thinks he owns alien just because he did the first one he did Neill Bloomkamp dirty and also manage to fucked up the alien prequels I don’t give a fuck what the toxic alien fans thinks I’m not talking about the good fans I’m talking about the toxic ones that hate avp so much they bash us all the time oh avp isn’t cannon bla bla bla fuck you like AVP is awesome and there many of us who love it and will stand behind it bro facts
@@dualityomk9854 even Requiem despite being so dark is better than Prometheus The Predalien was fucking epic
@@adriel88_ wow, do you always get drunk before misreading a comment and replying to someone online?
You are right-on with this analysis. I love much about Prometheus but wish it didn't contain so many AVP overlays.
No matter who you get to play the founder of Weyland-Yutani, Ian Wight will kill them.
😶
Fire line 👌
Love it! 😂
It's a real messed up thing to say about AVP. Considering how much Paul Anderson praised Alien and Aliens. I realize AVP wasn't the greatest film ever but its still very entertaining and the Predator Pyramid was really cool..👽🛸
I straight up despise Paul WS Anderson's filmography, but even I can admit that AVP is super entertaining.
@@MykeHavoc it was the fight scenes were epic the first show down when the alien kills chopper predator no one can’t deny it is a legendary moment and you get goosebumps
@@MykeHavoc the aliens were fantastic when grid alien blows Celtic predator head and he starts screaming and screeching man 😟😟😟 that shot looks scary 😟 with the alien on top of the dead predator screaming victory over the pile of skulls what a beautiful shot that was
@@MykeHavoc what do you mean regarding the cinematography? I didnt notice anything out of the ordinary when watching the film.
@@cadkls I said nothing about the cinematography.
I honestly like to think AVP is cannon, exclusively for the similarities and contrast of both the Weyland characters, Charles accepts both his death and even recognizes his folly and dies attempting to protect other people, whereas Peter is the exact opposite.
@8:58 That’s insane that the same actor Ian gets to kill Weyland in two separate films.
It’s just the same sci fi tropes repeating in both films. It’s not necessarily a bad thing. However, which film is better? For me it’s AvP, it was more fun to watch!
Wonderful video! I recently read JW Rinzler's book on Alien which discusses many of the original ideas that were discarded and didn't make it into the original movie due to constraints of time or budget, or simply because they were considered too daft or complex. Not surprisingly most have been gleefully recycled by the subsequent movies in the franchise. Prometheus includes ideas that Ridley Scott discussed with Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett back in the 1970s so it is easy to see how AVP also dredged up such similar nuggets from the writing kitty litter.
Scott's new "Alien" movies suck in my opinion. AVP is an awesome concept for a 1990 comic by Dark Horse Comics. Someone needs to film a movie based on it.
Yes 🙌 people cannot deny the concept is so badass it’s like they were meant for eachother
Lol no
@@adriel88_ Ew no
Weirdly the AVP movies fit into alien continuity better than Covenant does
First i was: "Noou way, man."
After this video: "mein got, I've been blind.."
But somehow it's fitting: the whole alien-saga has always been about lifecycles, birth and death. Rebirth and resurrection. Now the man who started this all, in one way or the other, travels the same kind of journey, way back and way in the future. And as in the Alien: Resurrection, Covenant rebirths aliens again through horrific experiments, death and huge suffering to the main character of previous movie. To create unnatural life just because they can do it. Like the Engineers! "Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" In the Resurrection, artificial programming almost caused a genocide. In Covenant, it did just that. Yey, connections all around!
I gotta say this series in all it's ups and downs just keep on giving year after year! Scared shitless since '92 and now i have to watch these yet again but this time the AVP:s included :D
I love AVP it's a very fun movie. It's an excuse to make movie monsters fight. It knows what it is and embraces it. Prometheus was trying way too hard to be profound. But it didn't understand what makes something profound.
I don't believe Scott's claim that he hasn't seen AVP. He wants to have plausible deniability.
Another similarity: Neither was worth spending movie theatre ticket prices on. The ol "I'm so glad I waited til it came on DVD/TV/etc" line was definitely meant for movies like these two. 😆
Why can't Jim Cameron just make another Aliens movie. Hell, I'd even settle for Neil Blomkamp's pitch. These Prometheus/Covenant movies are right up there with Alien Resurrection as far as worst Alien movies go. Yep I didn't mind Alien 3 (extended version). I'm sure I'll get bashed for this! 😆
It's funny because The Predator franchise continues on with the crossover while Alien completely ignores it, if you remember the newest Predator movie had some Easter Eggs related to AVP
Yes it had the AVP spear with the alien tail and I loved it 🙂🙂🙂 great Easter Egg 🥰🥰 Shane Black likes the avp movies and he spoke on a interview before the movie released he said that he thinks the avp story shouldn’t be ignored and should be continued also the spaceship of the latest Predator movie looks real similar to the design of the avp spacecraft on the interior I love ❤️ seeing the alien spear on the movie 🥰🥰🥰
Black sucks as a writer. Where the hell does this guy get his reputation from!?
It should be continued so much they could do with an expanded universe that contains engineers predators and aliens, im sure disney is aware though
@@byrdface94 Disney is stupid if they really wanna make money they should put lot of money into making AVP 3 they don’t have to reboot it we all remember the ending of AVP REQUIEM were Yutani had the predator plasma gun that’s where the humans reverse engineer it and obtain all their advance tech seen in alien franchise so I say they should set AVP 3 in space in a different planet like the first avp comic and have a female protagonist play as Machico Noguchi the human predator and hire a good director and trust me the movie will brake the box office if people see a trailer with these words AVP 3: in space no one can run and this time it’s war man I tell you people gonna loose their shits lol 😝
@@byrdface94 ima be honest with you I love both avp films but my favorite one is avpr but not gonna lie the first battle in avp when the alien stabs chopper with its tail and lift him up and they see each other face to face gotta be one of the most legendary historical moments in cinema history 🥰🥰
It's not a remake, or a coincidence. AVP was likely based off a story treatment that was floating around, a story treatment Ridley probably wanted to use. That's probably why he is so butthurt about AVP.
I've thought about this for years. Nice work.
Short answer: yes
Long answer: CORRECT
Been saying this since day one when I saw Prometheus. As it stands...
Alien vs. Predator (2004) > Prometheus (2012)
Can’t wait for Disney/Fox to make a new Aliens vs. Predator film in time.
The new alien vs predator movie should a reboot and be similar to the 2010 video game.
It should be in the future with colonial marines in a jungle planet.
Here's a fun fact: The AVP movie was ALMOST a page by page telling of the comic. Mainly the PLANET and TIME ZONE was changed. -_- and yeah..... And the early 2000's gimmick with the "BUT I HAVE A GUN" chick, acting all bad ass.... XD only to be the SECOND PERSON TO GET KILLED! XD She was holding her GUN and..... -_- okay, I'm getting ahead of myself.
This is so great🤣 - been a fan of the franchise forever but only recently watched alien v predator and my jaw dropped numerous times at all the similarities. Found it so funny too after looking into Ridleys opinions on that movie only to then go and make wat he made, it really cracked me up Im so stoked u put this out there ..made me feel a lot less alone in my observations
When you speak, your voice is so piercingly sinister. I love it.
Fascinating to see the similarities...
Next episodes: AvP is a remake of Stargate; Blade Runner 2049 is a remake of Solaris; Critters is a remake of Gremlins.
Star trek and star wars exists in the same universe 🤯
And Tenet is the prequel to Twins!
My mom saw Prometheus and randomly said that it resembles Alien vs Predator. Now we have a whole video on it.
Thanks Mom.
I like AvP better than Prometheus. I never realized how similar they are. Seems weird Scott claims never to have seen AvP.
I know this is a Joke, but I've always thought these plots were exactly the same after I first saw Prometheus.
I liked "AvP" but didn't care that it was cut down to a PG-13 rating. Since Darkhorse comics started the series, there was rumor I heard, that in the original storyline or proposed idea for "Alien 3", everyone gets killed off by the Alien, except for Ripley, who was taken by Waylen-Yutani in a cliffhanger. The creature all alone, in a close-up shot, there were three glowing red dots pointed at its head.
Prometheus isn't even a better horror movie than AVP. However, I think that the really dumb scientists from Pro would have fit better in AVP. Then we could laugh at them instead of cringing.
i could totally see the predators being the engineer's answer to their own creation: the xenomorph. Or the predators could simply be another by-product of the engineer's life-making antics
I absolutely love what they tried to do in prometheus . One of my favorite movies
This explains why I kept feeling deja vu during Prometheus.
Damn, you beat me to it. I've been watching the two movies repeatedly, making notes to do the exact same video. Yes, there are other similarities such as the running from the queen shot you showed is almost identical to the running from the rolling ship scene. You can also find jabs at Alien Resurrection, such as David riding a bicycle and making one handed swoosh shots with a basketball. I believe Scott was taking jabs at a lot of stuff, flexing his director's music and subsequently making an ass out of himself. For all of its flaws AVP is a superior movie, unpretentious and entertaining.
I honestly think AvP was a more fun movie. It's not very smart though.
Prometheus got rather incomprehensible by act 3, almost like it was trying to shoehorn the Aliens into a narrative that wasn't initially supposed to have them.
I never thought of it that way. But seeing your presentation made me think. I still like AVP better.
Honestly, Prometheus is an adaptation of Lovecraft's "At the Mountains of Madness." Spoilers follow, but if you've seen one or read the other, they're largely the same story: A group of scientists of different fields travel to then-unexplored (circa 1930something) frozen wasteland of Antarctica. They find aliens frozen in the ice, which when revived kill some of their crew. The humans discover an ancient city that predates humanity. They uncover information within the city showing that these aliens likely were responsible for the creation of humanity and indeed all life on Earth. Oh, and then there's also a rogue shape-shifting alien killing machine that this species created that is now after the remaining scientist/explorers. Parallels? You could say that.
Del Toro was apparently was going to finally to get his “At the Mountain of Madness” movie made only for the studio to hear about “Prometheus” and cancelled because they didn’t want to be accused of ripping it off.
@@JohnWilliams-wl9px that's crazy, studios don't usually mind having two similar movies competing at once! I'd definitely watch that story twice over - sci fi has basically been stealing from it for decades anyway.
@@jneilson7568 It was different since it wasn’t something made to compete or cash in. Plus they were already hesitate to make before hand.
1:25 love how Scott tells us his movie is “not bad actually.”
Ironically, he and many alien fans fervently deny AvP as canon, however there is nothing that actually says they can’t fit together.
And if you think about it, the predators being the race who corrupted us into violence, away from the engineer desires, and subsequently being the ones who pushed the engineers far enough to need to use bio-weapons in their wars...
It makes quite a bit of sense.
Have you ever read the rage war trilogy it introduce a race called the drukthai one never show up but it is hinted they had a war with the engineers
@@bughuntwilson5937 I listened to the audiobooks! Really liked how they introduced another race in there.
Omfg 🙀 bro so basically the Predators are the fallen angels of Lucifer and the engineer are Gods angels Omfg 😳😳😳😱😱😱😱😱 Im loosing my shits bro I’m screaming 😳😳🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
@@josiahcmiller me too I hope they make a actual appearance down the line I don't know why some people hate the rage war trilogy it introduce some cool ideas that can be explored
I remember watching Prometheus back in 2012 and beeing reminded of AVP in the "no weapons scene".
I'll go with both, it may be a remake but it is also April 1st
AvP is the better Prometheus.. and it's not even that good.
I can't pick one over the other. It's like a reverse Sophie's Choice.
Prometheus just have a more shiny and pretentious shell to me is unbearable i only like the removal operation for how graphic it was and the Deacon (even though didn't do anything)
AvP is more popcorn, Prometheus is like a wannabe art film, they both kinda suck though.
Pot calling the kettle here...Ridley's two prequels were awful. Not just awful, they intentionally tried to undo so much of the great work of other filmmakers (including himself).
I think it's completely ridiculous but entertaining non the less. Great video like always. How you manage to come up with more content then the franchise itself is beyond me lol.
So very interesting!! Great review, man. Thx for this channel. It always feeds the alien obsessed side of me. ❤️
Personally I think it's more likely that both films rely on old tropes, stories of explorers on doomed voyages and stories of ancient civilizations have both been around for a very long time, not to mention all the old horror and sci-fi tropes. Combine elements from those tropes and you get Prometheus or AVP...
You also get The Thing, 2001, Event Horizon, and countless other movies, shows, books, and games.
The irony here is that AVP (For all of it's faults) Is infinitely better than Alien covenant.
You sir are a god. Nailed it. I always knew there was a reason I like avp more than prometheus.
Pretty cool comparison. Great work on the video. I had never thought of this before.
What made Prometheus bad though was how absolutely braindead the whole cast was. Like their first reaction to seeing a dead alien head is to shock it back to life.
I agree. This movie happened because they found the dumbest people with a degree and stuffed the in a ship. But this video actually corrects my view on things. Now i know Prometheus fits nicely into the same b-movie category as AvP does.
None of them had a recognizable human response to any of it. AvP at least seems.to have real people, albeit with mostly shallow, rushed characters.
@@Brakiri That is what i thought while watching Prometheus. Its a ok B-movie like you would see in the 80s. But nothing more. The second it tried to take itself seriously is when it really lost me too.
My first thought after watching Prometheus (10 years ago!) was how similar it was to AvP, which I thought was quite funny, whether it was intentional or not, so I'm glad someone else has seen that. The main connection is the Von Daniken nonsense about alien intervention in human evolution - Pyramids in AvP, DNA in Prometheus. You also had it in The Crystal Skull. An early rendition of the Alien eggs was in a giant pyramid, and the 'skull' dome in Prometheus is from Giger's Dune concept, so you have all that going on too. You could argue - lack of ideas = mining similar territory.
I munch prefer the Aliens vs Predator movie timeline . Bringing the 2 Species together makes sense .
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I believe AvP is a better movie than Prometheus. And I love Prometheus. But AvP was a great ride.
Yes it was 🤗🤗
Glad this is getting discussed here, because the crew meet and greet scene in AvP was awfully similar to the Prometheus scene.
Agreed. I think they both stole/homaged the mood of that scene from Aliens. But then Prometheus so heavily echoed AvP,.it takes it way beyond an accidental reference.
I absolutely love Alien Vs. Predator!! I thought it was Amazing from a new perspective.🙌
This is fucking WILD! Great job on the comparisons. My gut says it's just coincidence but who the hell knows. Weirder things have happened.
Not sure which one is more daft, AvP or Prometheus. But it doesn't really matter.
I always knew that these films were similar but when compared like this the truth is crazy to believe. Prometheus is a blatant copy. It's still enjoyable nonetheless.
Basically you pointed out how much of a quack Ridley Scott has become over the years without his supporting writing team to balance the plot, cinematography, and tone of the films....💯
I for one loved AvP. The first one only, the rest sucked. I´d choose that over Prometheus anytime!
“So we go to Prometheus, which was not bad actually”... Weird take, as Prometheus felt less “Alien” than even AVP did.
Okay, this video did the impossible TWICE: it made me somehow like each film even more. You're a mad genius, sir; a mad genius, I say!