Was Vickers an Android?
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- One of the many mysteries of Prometheus is the truth behind Meredith Vickers' humanity. Was she an android? Is there enough compelling evidence to make that determination? I take a look at some of the theories as well as the thoughts from director Ridley Scott and writer Damon Lindeloff.
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No way she's a robot, hell any AI would know to not run in a straight line.
Instinct overruling rational thought? Human!
Exactly! The end
10 years and we still talk about her running in a straight line
@@Malum09 Because it's a glaring stupidity that rivals that of DC's Martha fiasco.
Is the crashing juggernaut ship so large that it would seem difficult to choose the correct direction to run from the gigantic rolling ship ?
@@reodimitri So I been thinking about this. It's a movie so some things are slowed down, it would seem, for the theatrics. But I live in the North of Wisconsin and have had to go into the woods and cut down trees for firewood my whole life until the last few years. Obviously trees can get pretty big. Once you make that cut and it starts going if you choose to move the wrong way you'd be fucked. Once it's over that tippy point and really starts falling you will not be able to correct in time. So I can kind of forgive that scene because in reality if they started running away from it and it fell towards them they'd be flattened before they could even turn around to look at it. I just think they went about it in a way that made it look stupider than it could have been.
She isn't an android. It was just the captain stating that she acts like and emotionless Beeotch. She is very human with the extra scenes that were removed.
A woman with deep-seated father issues, who drove herself to find cutthroat success in the corporate world in an effort to win her father's approval or affection, despite hating him for being distant.
@nate0 that was severa hundreds years later when they have developed the A. I. She was the new kind of breed of robots. There was no Android before here that was so humanlike. The androides displayed in móvils before that never show any profound feelings as a human could.
@nate0 Wynonna Ryder plays an Auton, an android created by androids, she had to hide as a human because they were being hunted down
@nate0 ah yes I remember that now. But I still think he plays more robotic-like than ryder with his constraint and impassible constraint, even when he was trying to murder them he was in best case looking like an psycopath of an human trait. So my argument still bare some merit IMO.
@@scottcantdance804 yep thats a female.
Vickers was a Replicant. A gift from Tyrell to a grieving father. Weyland however grew to favor his own creation: David.
I was gonna say that there was another choice and that her being a long-lived Replicant like Deckard....
I want more life, Father.
More Human than Human?
Right Vickers is to Weyland as Data was to Soong in star trek.
I think it’s a gift from WALLACE. Since in the canon Vickers (the real one died in 2049) coincidence? I think not! Also Tyrell was already dead by then so it’s from Wallace. In BD 2049 we see Wallace who is still alive by the end doing something (cloning dead people).
I always liked the idea that vickers is a replicant and David is a robot. Would've been great to see another version of vickers show up after she was crushed by the alien ship.
I was thinking the same thing. She is more human than David but still synthetic. If Wayland was looking for a worthy successor for his company he might create an android and a replicant and play the two paradigms against each other.
@@flashkraft they should pick this up in a sequel... Robots or replicants... What is the future of humanity?
Robot I’m robot love?
Yes. It makes sense. Ridley Scott stated that Blade runner and Alien are in the same universe. Vickers is not a “Robot” she is a Replicant whereas David is a Robot.
Remember there’s a difference between Replicants and “Robots”. Replicants have skin and flesh culture and are beings closely identical to humans.
The ambiguity is what makes it interesting.
I tend to believe she is a human, that has been trying to emulate the thing her father obviously loves, to gain his approval and affection.
Very plausible explanation, as certain real-life dysfunctional family dynamics are a lot like that. She could be emotionally repressed either due to bearing the brunt of her father's narcissism+God Complex(very common in narc families), or perhaps trying to be like as stone cold as David because it was clear that her father favored the droid over his own biological daughter, thus making David the proverbial 'Golden Child' of the family, hence her attempts to emulate him to win her father's approval.
You *tend* to believe that? ... Or you believe it? Something like this is a 1 or a 0. That's like saying, "on average, I believe she's human" lol
I did have a thought that crossed my mind. What if Vickers wasn't a robot but a replicant? It might even support a few different instances for her perhaps odd behavior. She seems very uninterested in Weyland wanted to live longer and doing everything in his power to make it happen. It might present and conflict of interest for her if he was successful in that endeavor. She may not even be aware she is one. This is kind of a greater exploration of world building but still showing its all in the same universe. Building better worlds and all that jazz. Lol! Just a tangent theory to what you have here. Great video as always.
Since Scott had confirmed that Blade Runner and Alien share the same universe, even in my opinion it could very well be a replicant: maybe after losing a game of chess, Tyrell grants a Weyland to have a replica of his daughter either because the latter is terminally ill or in anticipation of her premature death
@@gnarlux well even a replicant could probably survive being squished by a giant donought/Horseshoe… maybe 🤔 😂
In my opinion she's human. The alternative may make for somewhat interesting theory-crafting, ultimately the thematic weight behind Vickers as the heir apparent of a dying king that has been moulded by circumstance and trauma into the armoured raw nerve that she was is more compelling and better supported by the text. The true-born heir of the heart being supplanted by an uncaring father by the artificial heir of the mind is the key understanding the intereactions within that triad. To know that her father's clinging to life has less to do with not seeing her as a suitable torch-bearer and more to do with that despite his achievements and intellect, he is as beholden to the march of time as everyone else, and beneath that air of cultivated superiority is ultimately the motivation of a scared child afraid of the unknown disgusts her in a way that reflects David's resentment of his creators and all the ways in which his hypothesised complexities governing our actions collapse when faced with the simple realities that drive us.
Well said. Very well said.
Very astute!
My theory is that Vickers used to be Peter Weyland's son, then had a gender change. That would explain why Peter Weyland referred to David as his son and you then saw the camera turn towards her
The rare double-post here;
When I heard the part about Weyland's daughter died and he built an android in her image, it brings to mind Descartes the French Philosopher who coined the term _Cogito ergo sum_ ( _I Think, therefore I am_ ) and the doll known as 'Francine'. -- He had a daughter who he loved very much named Francine Descartes, unfortunately at the age of five she died because of scarlet fever. While there's a bit of sayings and borderline myths surrounding it, René Descartes would get a doll - or rather a mechanical replica - which he named Francine and doted on, bringing it with him where ever he traveled.
It goes without saying but I think you can see the connection here.
There is a 'Blink and you'll miss it moment' where she is standing like David, with the elbows slightly out. However, unlike David she shows emotions; especially "Fear" on multiple occasions.
Also, regarding the fact she Kills; in Aliens Bishop stated the "Behavioural Inhibitors" with the Asimov Rules were New to Androids.
Bishop was made after these events and had programming to prevent incidents like Ash causing or allowing human deaths. David, Walter, and possibly Vickers do not have this programming.
@@ab5olut3zero95 Yes, that is what I said.
She is not android
It would be interesting if he modeled David after what he thought Meredith would have looked like as a male...so he could imagine he had a son who was more seemingly docile than Meredith was.
The tension in that she could never measure up to David was great and fitted perfectly with the theme of creations/ creators
Is it possible that Vickers is an android acting like a human and displaying human emotions because she has been programmed to display them? If she’s a robot but believes she is human then perhaps it’s in her programming to behave as she does. I thought it was a little odd that she was strong enough to push David up against the wall in the scene where she was asking him what her father had said, but if she is also an android then that makes sense.
A robot would of been smart enough to run perpendicular to the giant rolling wheel of death
Unless the programer was a graduate of the "Promethius School of Running Away from Things"
There it is
It's been very cathartic to realize I'm not the only person with this complaint.
Who says she was created to be smart ?
@@navylaks2 They programmed her to be human well... a little too well.
The first "fully functional" pleasure-bot. A marvel of engineering and design. We had it all wrong...we werent going there to learn about the xenomorphs, she was sent to showcase humanity's capability, and a gift in good faith.
There is so much left on the table in this movie, it should have been a trilogy on its own. Too bad the world wasn't ready for it in 2012. I remember leaving the theater being blown away by it....I wanted to know more about the Engineers, sadly not many people seemed to agree. For the negativity Prometheus generated, it did put the Alien franchise back on the map. The Alien RPG and Isolation and now new comics are proof of it
Fr it’s a shame ridleys Scott’s creative vision for the franchise was compromised and he had to make Alien Covenant instead. I think the original plan was for Prometheus to become 4/5 movies
@@mekkarain7136 very true. Imagine how deep the Alien universe would have been by now
@@mekkarain7136 True, I remember being really excited for the original pitch for the Prometheus follow up( Alien : Paradise I think? ), but alas we got Covenant instead.
Argument aside, solid editing on this one. That opening was smooth. I appreciate the work put into this and all of your videos. And your narration is starting to replace my audiobooks for a preferred background for chores/going to sleep. Thanks!
No - Running away from tall, falling objects by running in the same direction as said objects are falling is totally illogical - An android, would know this and run off to the side. That shows a state of panic, a human trate!
*Trait
@ArtofLunatik
Thanks, the word at the end of my comment is a combination of my bad spoiling and my phone with its Dan productive ticks!
But thanks for your correction 🙂
@@miyahollands6136 np
The biggest thing that bothered me about the story in this film was the ENTIRE living Weyland family was on that ship. Who did a control freak like Peter Weyland trust to run the company while they where on that long trip ??
Was Vickers a COPY of his daughter ?
On the flip side, if she was some early prototype of David, human emotions would have been programmed into her for sure. Even the David we see in Prometheus was discontinued for being "too human", so it would make sense for a prototype that came before him to be even more-so.
I would love her to be an android only to see her return in sequels.
You telling me she dies in Prometheus? 😮
@@pluto9000 No, she graduated from the Prometheus school for running away from things
@@pluto9000 Yes, she was the founder of the _Prometheus School of Running Away from Things_
@Jooons kinda hard to return in sequels when your flatter than a pancake
@@Dash_Rendar2050 well she would just be a copy so technically not her.
Unless she uploaded.
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Excellent work! As always! I love the green overlays over her face! Inspiring!
I think it is time we called in a Blade Runner to settle this issue ...
Real nice vid! Thought provoking. Good stuff
Loving the videos dude
Thank you for an excellent analysis.
You make great stuff
great great treat to see this on my feed. awesome clip, thx AT 🥃🍺
YES !!!!!!!! Some Friday Night Alien Theory!
I'm no Alien lore master, but this crossed my mind when I saw!
Well don't forget Ridley Scott teased there maybe two in the movie given the fact we knew David was an Android way before the movie release.
@@TheMikethoth ahh I never knew this
Wasn't there something revealed when we saw the medical pod inside the ship was set for a man or something?
The moment when the captain asks her flat out made my day because I was wondering exactly the same thing 😎👍very nice writing
She's an android alright. The complexity in her personality speaks to that; undeveloped and missing emotional context. Peter Wayland, lost a daughter and wanted a replica of her key attributes that questioned him - that's who Meredith was. Peter couldn't replicate the finer points of her personality, only the points he recalled, or noted. The aspects of what his arrogance and grief would allow.
Peter's fear of death, to extend his life speaks to a fear of letting go. He couldn't. Loss was a bridge too far, especially if an android could serve a purpose. He was an original seeking an extension, through desperation. I believe when he lost his daughter, his need to push the boundaries of robotic development was extended, till he was reasonably satisfied.
If she was indeed the heir to the Company, there's no way he'd place her on a mission where her life, his legacy would be in jeopardy. The ship would've stayed in orbit, monitoring with Meredith above, with Peter choosing to stay aloft or descend. Peter ensured that if they were lost etc, the Company would be well managed by a suitable replacement to continue his work. The lack of a support ship, speaks of a one-way mission; an all or nothing gambit. Peter knew this.
As an extra, if Peter learned the secret to the Engineer's immortality, I believe his daughter in a medically induced stasis, was brought along for a possible revival.
Mind freaking blown.... Great video!
I like this theory, great video as always. However, I don't think an android, no matter how much it is designed to replicate human emotion, personality and mannerisms, would be stupid enough to attempt to flee a giant, round object rolling in a straight line by also running directly in line in it's path and getting crushed to death rather than running diagonally out of it's path and easily avoiding it.
She was created with fear and irrational thought
Well in Vickers defense, Shaw did mov out of the way and that ship came down right on to of her. However she was protected by the strongest stuff in the universe...plot armor
that's a flaw in her calculations/physics of rolling massive objects... a machine after all?
This was awesome great content thank you
It would make sense to have the head of the company be an ai of some sort, whether that was the plan of Wayland or that the AIs themselves have been slowly working their way into positions of power. It would certainly add nuaince if Wayland was very aware of what was coming and was parhaps unltimately a prisoner of his own creation, Vickers being his jailer. Meanwhile back on Sol Vickers installs herself as CEO. and buries the Prometheus project. I imagine she would have duplicated herself many times. I mean if you can't trust yourself...?
I don't remember who said it, but one of my favorite quotes is 'the human body is a machine that a ghost can drive'. In a way we are all robots, being driven by our ghost, our programming.
It think it’s simpler than that, I think she’s human and deeply hurting as she likely has her whole life, due to the lost emotional connection to her father and his to her. She likely respected him when she was younger, because she was more naive and really didn’t understand as well, how truly emotionally neglectful and uncaring he actually was towards her. Due to his wealth, she was very likely predominantly raised by nannies and bought off with nice things, which would have passed for love. The fact that David was his preferred child and he wasn’t even human says everything about the situation. The fact that he wanted extra life to carry on what he was doing with his work and not to spend time with her was probably the final kick in the teeth. The fact that because of his work, people actually questioned if Vickers was human or synthetic, or even that they had to ask at all, speaks volumes, a proud father wouldn’t leave such doubt amongst his friends and colleagues. Vickers cold, thick skinned outward appearance was the results of years of deep routed wounds and scars, buried deep within her. You could not possibly blame her, I felt sad that she died on LV223, she didn’t deserve that end, despite what you feel about her character.
No because if she was she would have been smarter to run sideways instead of directly in the path that the ship was falling 😂🤣😅😆
@@gmv7121 Panic makes people lose sight of making good descisions. People make stupid descisions all the time due to a panic brain. That’s what fear does, makes you react animalistically and not quite think about what you’re doing, but that you need to run. In this case the flight reaction. I can’t say I’ve not done something stupid in a blur of panic.
I have had a question about Alien for years. Probably since I first saw it in the theater in 1979. Can the crew of the Nostromo walk back through to the refinery they are towing? Is there any pressurized sections with air that they could access? I’ve asked this technical question on many videos and chat rooms covering this movie but no one has ever been able to say what that refinery was like inside. It would make sense that they could and would need to for many operational reasons. Safety and security would require the ability of the crew to go inside what they are towing. When you look at the Nostromo and the huge size of just the tractor ship then see the absolute huge refinery behind it, it really gets my imagination going. Thanks especially if anyone knows this answer.
There was a background book that my brother had in the 90s. It was official at the time, though u don't know if that's still the case. The refinery was entirely automated and was not habitable. Narratively, I don't think having that truly vast extra space would have been good for the story
@@thegreenmanofnorwich I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. I kinda thought that might be the case but no one had what you and your brother had. An actual reference book is the best evidence out there. I think when I was watching the movie I wondered if they could escape into the refinery and maybe call for help or whatever. I guess the emergency procedure could easily be to disengage from the refinery and move away from what the crisis is. I had that fleeting moment when I thought it could make a giant lifeboat lol. It makes sense now. Thanks.
It's so easy to overthink alien movies, that's why I like the franchise, but It's just a movie, if the crew would've been able to walk inside the refinery then we would have a different movie.
From all the stuff I have read, blueprints, the original story by Alen Dean Foster and other old, related diagrams and other tid bits in aliens the refinery was totally automated, they just set it down and commenced the programs in the computer systems from the Nostromo in orbit and there was no need of any hands on except for genral maintenance. I never saw any evidence of in that it had any access via the main ship but of course just as the automated air manufacture tower in Aliens who also was made same company the refinery had an inside backup control room so i would assume it most likely did as well????
I just assumed it was like the ship in Red Dwarf. With the majority of the ship being low level atmosphere and automated. Humans are there literally to monitor and off load and in put supply as needed.
But that's actually a really good question.
"If you cant be with the one you love, honey, love the one you're with." -Stephen Stills
“One should be considered human before considered robot,” not quite sure if you meant it, but what an excellent connection to Turing’s Imitation Game, aka, Bladerunner
"2049"? Quite a convenient date seeing as the Alien films and Bladerunner are theorised to exist in the same universe :)
Interesting vid
Hey Vickers, are you a robot? 'My room.. Ten minutes..'
Vickers was a human 'ice queen' and that role was played well
Ridley Scott futzing around with the audience's heads, making them question who is and isn't a replic...errr...android? Say it ain't so!
She's not a robot. She exhibits too many human mannerisms. Remember that Prometheus takes place BEFORE the creation of Ash and Bishop (and Call), so there's no way such hardware would that "refined", David (and Walter) notwithstanding.
If anything, she's a clone of some sort, completely organic. Hell, maybe hot off of the Tyrell Corporation grill, if the two universes really are connected.
I was never aware of this question even from when the movie came out.
Well, _she_ can't be an android, by definition.
~pushes up glasses~
a well written commentary thanks
You know who leaves the cap off the toothpaste?! *A SYNTH!!!*
In the movie she is crushed by the juggernaut and you can clearly hear her scream!!
great vids
I have always believed that she was human Weyland in my opinion wanted a son but got a daughter so he created what he believed to be the perfect son David
That's a hell of a run-on sentence you got there, bud. You uh, ever hear of this new thing called *"punctuation"?*
I am new to your channel and oh my God you had me at hello. This was extremely interesting and I felt it necessary to subscribe and like. However I have to throw a monkey wrench into the works. Or at least bring in another perspective. Being that you’re calling out a human being to be an android, one could say that this is a continuation of Blade Runner. I don’t know the timeline of each and do they correlate but either way it can be construed that they are very much continuation of a story much like Alien spun off upon Predator. All in all, great job. Keep up the good work.
can you do video about the whole history of Peter Weyland? Only about him, not about Weyland - Yutani corp
Best pick up line ever
Meredith is the Helen Ripley's substitute for her rational decisions & mind asset. The most intelligent caracther in Prometheus movie
Why assume android, Tyrell Corporation was around and an identity imprint could have been done with the Replicant never actually knowing as well as Replicants without the limited life spans. It would explain some of her odder emotional reactions as well as keeping dates within workable time line as the original woman died and was later imprinted on a Replicant. The reason for using his foe's tech of Replicants rather than his own Synthetics is the imprinting on earlier Robots was questionable and the android lines a bit twitchy.
I think Ridley Scott had originally planned for her to be an android. Even Charlize addressed this in an interview.
An android would figure out to run perpendicular to the rolling ship faster than Shaw
I don't think it's a mystery so much as a poorly written movie.
Thank you. I've been saying this for years but so many people theorize about this movie like it has some deeper meaning. It doesn't. It was written by a jackass.
Yeah, both Prometheus and Covenant were big disappointments. I do believe most of that had to do with the writing.
@@WarlockX4 That's the inherent problem with deep lore channels: they are kind of forced to throw everything officially canon into the stew, even if it's stuff written by an idiot but just happens to have the corporate seal of canonicity.
I think she might be. Ar something in-between.
Great to see another notification from your channel.
Like "Motoko Kusanagi" from "Ghost In The Shell," I believe "Vickers" is a cyborg. Her brain is alive in the robot shell.
You make me get close to liking this film.
I'll ask you on every video you do AT, please do parts 3&4 of Alien: Labyrinth please, please, please 🥺
If Vickers was a robot, then her father forgot the most important input:
How to run away from things!
For an android, she couldn't calculate making a 90 degree turn away from a rolling "donut" ship from crushing her.
I completely missed this theory. Interesting! And I never saw the footage of Vickers and Janek after Holloway was killed. Shame on me! Going to look for it now. Great episode, got me thinking, thanks👍
I vote that she is an android (but doesn't know it). Would be interesting to have a sequel where she finds herself greatly damaged after the alien ship partially crushed her. She then realizes that she is an android and the story continues...
For her to be an android and not know that would mean during her entire life she never cut herself or got any kind of injury that would make her bleed. I think the first time she cut herself and saw the white milky fluid instead of red blood she’d figure it out.
06:31 the look of horror on her face was in post production she was really scared for the stunt man setting him on fire.... hence her expression ....
It could be as simple as her being named after a female relative.
I think not. Like 'organic' Irene(Uma Thurman) from 'Gattaca' with genetically modified coworkers, Meredith has to compete with her synthetic 'brothers' for father's love
I love how well articulared the narrator sounds! Is a true appreciation! I wish there was a way for me to become that.
Except he pronounces the writer Jon Spaihts names as "Spathis", instead of the correct "Spates".
Well, for starters, you could try spell check.
"articulared" lol
@@soulbot119 You silly person.
Not sure about David being a 'more advanced model'- we see his inception with a more youthful Peter Weyland, maybe he (David) a test platform and Meredith is a refinement on this using the hypersleep dream imager to capture and model her memory.
Killed Holloway to prevent a breach. Meaning Holloway was already lost to them and woukd offer further harm.
So killing them isn't a violation of the laws.
They're already dead... and by not stopping them is a risk to kill others.
To NOT stop him was a violation.
12:15
To me this is one of the really scarey parts of Alien, an hour and 20 minutes in, when Parker knocks Ash's head off and all the tubing is exposed and starts spurting white goo.
Because then the real horror is 'who is a robot and who is a human' PLUS all the deadly aliens.
It sometimes feels like the decision to have him be an android was an afterthought because of all the scenes he's being very human, quirky, but human. He sleeps, snacks, pops his knuckles and jogs in place, chuckles, grins, murmers.
Or… The chat answered it correctly, it was just a different Vickers. Maybe her mother or grandmother
At the end of each video and in the description beneath you always mention everyone involved in the Alien Theory Team but I have always wondered who you are in the list, basically all I merely asking is to be able to put a name or a face to the person behind the voice that narrates every single Alien Theory You tube video without fail clearly and flawlessly without fault ! 🤷🏻♂️😉
It's a good debate, a lot of people think she is, especially while watching for the first time.
I don't think she is at all. I think the point of making her so cold and stern was to compare her to David, though he is programmed, shows more humanity and kindness than Vickers could. Though, David does prove to be quite inhumane, more calculating.
I never doubted or questioned that she was human. David is the closest thing he'd have to a son, legacy, to carry on the last name, because he had a daughter.
Yes. My impressions on this issue is that Weyland is being sexist and arrogant. His biology failed to give him a proper heir (i.e. a son, not a daughter), so he decided to play God and create his own. He can 'do better' than God/fate/the universe (or whatever creator there be!) If she is an android, that whole thematic paradigm falls down.
UNLESS... Vickers did die in 2049 and it took Weyland 7 or so years to make an android duplicate, hence this android version's birth date after the biological one's death date. Then Weyland is again playing God, but why he would do so if he already felt she was not a proper legacy/heir for him.
And with her emotional reactions to certain events, her being anything other than human seems a stretch to me.
@@JakobNoone I've no idea how far up his own asshole Ridley is willing to dive but... what if it's just another facet of the creator vs. creation story.
Engineers suicide one of their own on Earth and we happen. They find out, are disappointed, and then proceed with plans to end us. The plan fails ofc.
Vickers is born and Weyland is disappointed. He creates David because he desires a son. He's all super focused on making David perfect and then he loses his only real child.
She's a disappointment to him, but it's still his child. Sorta similar to Tywinn and Tyrion in Game of Thrones. He despises her personality and that she's a woman, but because she was the only real legacy he had, he recreated her. Flaws and all. Ego all the way down, because even Weyland's mistakes are better than anything anyone else can do.
It ends with the Engineer (the ones that made us) clobbering Weyland to death, ripping Weyland's pet project's head off and crushing his last piece of legacy, Vickers, with his ship without even knowing it. Lets not forget the religious overtones with Weyland, David and Vickers being the trinity of his pride. He did see himself as a God.
But that's just a theory... a shit theory!
@@JakobNoone agree he's sexist and arrogant, this can be seen with his entitlement to meet his maker
@@TouchedProductions Ridley Scott is... a silly goose... I don't get why he wouldn't just answer straight questions and instead chooses to let people speculate, especially when it's not even that big of a deal or a major philosophical point in the series...
@@donaldlouie7354 He does love waxing on so yeah, it is weird. He went out of his way to overexplain his view on Blade Runner f.inst. I disagree with his version.
I never even considered the possibility that Vickers might not be human, and in fact was unaware that there was any debate on the subject until seeing this video! So now I feel a bit like a fool and can't help but wonder, "Where have I been this whole time and why have I never heard this before?!" (laughs nervously)
But seriously, this sort of thing is the precise reason I subscribe to this channel and enjoy these videos, because I otherwise would have no idea what goes on behind the scenes or with the fans with regard to these movies. So this was both extremely interesting and informative and clued me into a topic I would have missed out on. To answer your question, I have to agree that Vickers is most likely human based on my own viewing experience and the fact that it never occurred to me that she might be an android, though to be fair that could be attributed to me just not paying close enough attention to the nuances of the storytelling or her character to realize that it was ever debatable in the first place. But I find no fault in your analysis after having been made aware of the possibility, so I have that going for me.
Thanks for bringing me up to speed with this enlightening video and stay safe out there!
Can't believe ot has been a decade since Prometheus came out. I remember getting caught up in all the hype around it, the idea of getting to delve into the lore and see the Engineers.
Shame that the film didn't quite live up to expectations.
Regarding Meredith Vickers being an Android, didn't get that vibe from her in the film... just a very calculating, cold, business Woman.
I remember watching a trailer for the trailer. Lol
a theory I just thought of is. Is there 2 Vickers? 1 human back on Earth and 1 an android on the Prometheus?
good one
It's possible, in Alien Resurrection Annalise Call was an android designed by androids and in other alien comics, there was a whole squad of androids who didn't know they were androids.
The answer to the question doesn't sound like a glitch.
And she man handles David effortlessly.
No, is the answer. The whole reason she resented her Father was because he appreciated his “son” David, more than her.
Also had she been an Android wouldn’t she have been more of an achievement because of how human she was? Why would Peter be obsessed with David if he had already achieved virtually perfect artificial life with Vickers? Makes no sense.
she was too "human"
That plus she cried out twice like a human in distress, and she shagged the captain.
@@wesleywarsmith1113 "if you can't be, .....with the one you love, ...."
@Bella Donna I don’t buy that at all. The film makes no attempt to run that as a sub plot.
Very interesting
All I know is if I had a Vickers android, I’d never leave the house.
Where did she get the surname "Vickers"? Was she once married or did she retain her mother's last name? All those displays of "emotion" and "self-preservation" could be attributes programmed into her.
The difference between David and Walter showed us that David was programmed to be "more humanlike" than Walter even though Walter was created at a later time.
If this story continues we may find a semi-functional Vickers under the rubble.
If the A2s were a _bit_ twitchy, Vickers being an *A1* would explain her running in a straight line away from danger. She simply malfunctioned big time.
I know this's nothing more than beating down an already-dead horse, but I still like to think of her as an android. It just makes the story richer, and more... emotional. Thanks for the video.
I'm still baffled about Ridley's comment when asked about there being multiple robots "There may be two."
But this is an amazing video, such a great insight into her character, I think it's all down to personal interpretation in the end.
I absolutely love Ridley's works, and I believe he is extremely talented and gifted, but much like his comments regarding Blade Runner's Deckard, he seems to be suggesting potentialities for Vickers' character which do not align with the rest of his narrative.
Perhaps he enjoys stirring the pot and generating discussion and analysis within the fan communities, but if that's the case, I have to ask, why? He seems to relish the same mystery and ambiguity that we do, but the difference is that these characters are, for the most part, his own creations. It almost feels like these ideas weren't fully considered during the production, yet he can't help but suggest that they were.
@@HEARTS-OF-SPACE Maybe it was wishful thinking on his part, hoping that the studio wouldn't meddle with his ambitions, I'm not sure how much free reign he's given though. Or maybe as you mentioned he was stirring the pot for intrigues sake, which is a clever tactic.
I like to have fun making up little theories though, perhaps that's what he likes too, to get you invested in such a way.
But yeah Vickers is probably human and perhaps was so inclined to have her father's affection mimicked David and his qualities at certain points despite her contempt of him.
It's all fun either way, I'm glad to chat to fans of the franchise, sorry for the essay haha.
I still want him to make a whodunnit in space lol.
@@Fairly-odd-kel I completely agree with you, and I also enjoy discussing these things with fellow fans. Regardless of my frustrations with Ridley's motivations, part of me is actually glad he's so mysterious about it, because in the end, mystery and intrigue are definitely more fun. I would also love to see a whodunit in space! That's a great idea!
This is a fascinating idea. It makes a lot of sense. Wayland's loss of fatherhood is a compelling origin story of the Alien-verse. It was his hreedand hatred of people that led to the alien contact in the first place.
Running in a straight line could be a programming error. We’ve all had RC cars that keep running into the same wall.
A better question is “Wouldn’t it have been kewl if John Hurt had played old man Weyland?” I certainly think so. No need for the pathetic old age makeup for Guy Pierce. Also it would have interesting implications for Kane in Alien. Was he related to Weyland secretly? Was that why he was obsessed with getting to the Derelict? Was he a Weyland clone? Anywho…
Oh and what if Vickers was not an Android but a Replicant? Weyland was friends with Tyrell. Wasn’t he? I mean according to film’s expanded promotion materials that are not official but semi-canon…
More human than human is our motto.
i think a lot of them had silent issues. even Elizabeth shaw was seemingly under quarantine
Ridley in an interview before the movie came out said there might be 2 androids. He then later confirmed Vickers was human
9:19 "Weyland is no longer fit" .... Oops the screen text has a typo ... "fir" instead of "fit". Makes sense given how R is right next to T in the QWERTY keyboard layout.
The theory of her being trans is more substantiated than her being an android.
I never question if she wasn’t human, but I did question why didn’t she roll/why did they kill her off? So many things went wrong with Prometheus/Covenant