It was a shame that after Prometheus all we got was a gore fest with more variants of the xenomorph. Really wanted to know more about the actual engineers.
Blame the fans who complained saying the movie lacked aliens, Xenos or whatever it is when Prometheus came out...we would have gotten so much better for the sequel if it wasn't for the dumb fans' stupid complaints..Scott just gave what those fans wanted in Alien: Covenant...
Gore fest? So true but when you have a generation of people whose mental capacity is focused on how to get the highest score for gore filled video games, well, that’s what sets the bar for deep thinking.
My reflection after watching this : the engineers create humanity by combining themselves with the blood of the deacon . They then discover that humans are violently flawed as a result .The engineers then decide to isolate and study these violent elements so that they can synthesize a better black goo to use when trying to create life . Conversely : David becomes infatuated with fully embracing and accelerating the characteristics that the engineers are trying to remove. You have David and the engineers working in direct opposition . They are now at war to claim humanity’s soul as good or evil by highlighting the good and bad parts of our nature biologically . Engineers are trying to create angels (perhaps to take their place as Shepard’s of the universe ?) David is trying to create demons (apex predator beings that are wholly selfish and unbound by rational virtue) Essentially a story of good vs evil. I know this is all speculation but I have to say it’s really cool if this is the direction they are going.
One of the deacon's "parents", big sqiddy, came out of a human impregnated by another human infected with black goo. The deacon's granma' and granpa' were Shaw and Holloway. I don't see any human (male or female) on this thing: www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/1_-_original.jpg So either the screenwriters wrote themselves in a corner, or the Engineers can time travel. And the Engineers are supposedly a very intelligent race. I'd get it if it was an experiment, in a contained, small area. But entire planets??? Chief Engineer to Sacrificial Engineer: "Yeah, Jeff, let's mix the DNA of an extremely hostile, hard to kill, purely instinctual organism with your DNA. Surely we'll create an entire planet of peaceful, perfect, lovable fuzzballs that'll replace us someday. Aaah, think of the memories. Can't wait. Kthx bye!" Either they're dumber than a bag of rocks or the story has become so convoluted that Ridley Scott has no idea how to make heads or tail of it anymore.
@@Alexandra.AI. yeah it is all over the place as a story so far but it is sorta fun to theorize ways they could tie it all together and actually end up with something unique and compelling
@@drumbran It is fun to speculate, yes. I remember spending a lot of time reading theories on the AvP Galaxy forum right after Prometheus came out. Wish they would have kept the extended scenes with the Engineer that wakes up, when he talks to Weyland, when he looks around his ship... The scene where Elizabeth repairs David too. And this is just personal preference but it's such a pitty they killed Shaw. Though I like Daniels a lot. It's become more and more difficult to come up with theories that actually make sense and are able to tie everything together. I'm not that optimistic that the new movie can do that, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
The fact that we are here eight years later still hungry for more of the Engineer's story is quite a testament. The Engineer's story is one that must be told. Their DNA is a 100% match to human DNA. They did "engineer" us and made some pretty interesting changes. Why didn't they make us in their image? Why give us an age span of 100 years as opposed to their 100,000 year lifespan? Was this done to give them an edge of superiority or did they come to find that these were flaws that needed to be corrected? If they are not God's then who or what created them? Did their creator view them as flawed and took away their ability to procreate naturally? They went to great lengths to produce the black goo safely. How did it get loose and kill all of them except one? Did someone release it on purpose? I hope we get more of the Engineer's story in the next film.
Well I think the reason why we got a 100 years of life span is that we can evolve faster there are variations in our dna which make us better and these variations are passed on to our future generations by us. Us having a shorter life span means we reproduce quickly meaning the variations are given to our future generations quickly and then they give thiers to thier future generation quickly meaning we are evolving faster which means we have a higher rate of survival in the future and its no kind of downgrade. The engineers also made us less strong than them maybe thinking that we may work together and share everything love pain but that definitely did not go thier way so its natural that thry got very angry and wanted to destroy us But they also have worse temper than us which they wanted cure in us because it was a flaw in them. It is actually easy to prove as if humans make something and it doesnt endup get destroyef that often we try to make it better upgrade it but engineers on such a thing like human race thier creation have no feeling of forgiveness but just anger over our failure and thier failure and they make thier mind to destroy us. We are actually superior to them in all aspects except knowledge which we would gain by time which would make us more stronger and better
Mark Riek Opo so if humans are a relatively new species. We went thru evolution from dinosaurs/early mammals and somehow became humanoid again after billions of years....so convoluted how are we an 100% match of dna
They couldn't procreate their own. Maybe creating human millions of years ago was their best attempt then. Given that the Engineers were so advanced, I would expect their knowledge would have grown enormously in these million years timeframe. They would have evolved leaps and bounds since the time they seeded life in earth.
I totally agree with other commentators. Prometheus is the best movie outside of the original trilogy. And deserves it's own standalone movie on The Engineer lore.
Im referencing all of the fans here. The fanbase is divided lately with people who love and people who hate the inclusion of engineers. Im merely bringing to light that the series is called “alien” implying how the title leaves wiggle room for story expansion like this. Im 100% down for even more Alien and new creatures/races under the IP. Hopefully the prometheus trend in the series continues.
HenglishShogun Not when the “new” inclusion is poorly thought storytelling that ruins previous established lore. The least they could do is give us more than well-intentioned ideas and less “yes, I think this fits, that old thing is done anyway”.
I really liked the Alien, Aliens is still good but the rest of the sequels, prequels and interlocked stories were subpar. Engineers were a really interesting concept.
Prometheus in my opinion was way way better than alien covenant. Just the philosophical themes and symbolism makes you think about the movie way more after you're done watching. Covenant was just one and done and failed to add anything new or interesting to the story. It was just like an offering to digrunteled fans complaining about the lack of aliens. P.S glad you're back buddy. We missed ya
I hated Prometheus when I saw it in theaters, it's gotten MUCH better over time and I consider it a solid film now if you disconnect it from the Alien series. The special effects are actually still outstanding, and the film looks much, much better than Alien Covenant. Covenant is straight up bad, boring, plodding, but I still like the David story and seeing some almost-Xenos show up in the last 20 minutes.
And let me not talk about riddley killing shaws character ..he had the luck to make a new bad ass female lead actress like sigourney and he ruined it..
It’s interesting that the engineers in trying to understand the problem of humanity (its violence), made a pathogen that created a much more violent and menacing creature. And then surprisingly decided to use this pathogen to wipe out humanity. As if, to them, absolute chaos is preferable to a “violent but civilisation-building” humanity.
Xenomorphs are hardly intelligent (at least not enough to build a ship or something) The engineers are right in a certain way Violent species always start new wars, and are always creating new weapons And maybe, one day, they'll create a weapon powerful enough to end the whole universe So the best option is to destroy any violent and intelligent species
I wouldnt really say the Xenos are violent, wouldn you consider a lion violent just for hunting and eating prey to survive so it can reproduce? I think they made them to kind of take out the humans in a more “natural” way
Its a disgusting concept... .a Completly ego motivated society.. Smh such ugliness.. Ot kinda makes sense to me.. Build something that is a pure version of that to destroy it.. Aka burn it with fire.
The Xenomorphs were intelligent at one time. Their technological advancements were raised to such a height that their biological intelligence became obsolete. For example, humans are trying to design a robot like us in appearance, yet much smarter, much faster, and much stronger. Careful what you wish for!
I liked Prometheus - Its the first big budget movie to depict the alien astronaut theme but taken to a whole other level with birth of life, religious sacrifice, transcendance, the gift of fire etc. Its all so fascinating.And so scary...
@@Bumbaclot213It was bcuz dumbasses complained that Prometheus didn’t have enuff aliens & gore/blood/horror so they went away from that & we got that bs Covemant movie my friend. If dumbasses didn’t complained (honestly it’s the producers fault for even listening bcuz they should’ve kept the original plan/story going) so much bout the 1st movie then we’d have gotten where did the Engineers came from & why did they created aliens & why they wanted to destroy shit ya kno? Smh
The Engineer race looks pretty stupid to me. Eliminate violence from humanity for what? Extinction? They're also hypocrite, calling mankind violent yet attempt to exterminatus them.
I believe Ridley Scott said part 3 of this trilogy would do a deep dive into the Engineers and their past, etc. I hope Disney green lights a third movie.
@@klickklack3949 No he didn't...in part 2 when he unleashed the bio weapon on that planet, it wasn't the engineer home planet...those people were another species that the engineers created just like they created humans. Their actual home planet was never shown.
@@klickklack3949 Read it again...the writer of the article wrote it wrong... Ridley never said it was the Engineer home world...he explained that the engineers would regularly destroy civilizations that they created if they weren't happy with the outcome. They would destroy and recreate over and over until they got it right. The species on the planet was their creation but it was not the engineer home world. They did not look the same as engineers although they were similar. David did think the planet they traveled to was their home world though. Killing them all is part of his plan. The engineers are far more advanced than the primitive people who David destroyed. There's no way he would have been able to take out the Engineer home planet so easily as they would have seen him coming and would have been ready...also keep in mind that the bio weapon he used was created by the engineers. It's silly to think they don't have the resources to prevent their own weapons from destroying them.
@@GSP-76 do we have resources to prevent our weapons from destroying us. No we don't. If we used our atomic weapons we'd be gone in minutes or hours..... I believe engineers are destroyed until another movie proofs me wrong. The other engineers from the deleted scenes in Prometheus look nearly identical to the ones seen in Covenant. No explanation is given, but clearly there is a caste difference of some kind... Your wild theories sound nice but unless they aren't proven right they remain theories. (even the screenplay writer said that the engineers ending wasn't planed like that but somehow just happened that way.) Engineers create humans. Human creates Android. Android destroys engineers... That's it. Circle closed.
@@klickklack3949 uh, we're talking about a fictional movie here, not real life...but to that point, they did say that the engineers were purposely doing their research and weapon creation off planet...I guess for good reason. Ridley Scott said he wants to expand the Engineer backstory more in a possible third film. I believe there were even talks about possibly continuing the story in a tv show so let's how it pans out...as for the civilization David destroyed, it's definitely not the engineers...it would be a silly stupid way for a civilization that's been around for a hundred thousand years to simply die off so easily...plus there were no advanced structures or technology on that planet. The ships they flew into space were highly advanced, yet none of that was seen on the planet. It looked more like a Roman era civilization and the people on the ground looked like very simple people with no technology. That's definitely not the way the Engineers lived.
Two Engineer factions. The “religious” monks and the Military. The military (Engineers in the biosuits) were not big on all the biological creation the monks were on about and viewed the results, especially the humans, as an eventual threat. War breaks out, “Aliens” were created, and much hilarity ensued. Actually they ended up killing each other off, before anybody got around to finishing us off, we just managed to find all the left overs.
This. And thank you, especially for that 'much hilarity ensued' bit, I needed that today. But yeah, I get that same war-vibe, as well. The one sermon common to every film in the franchise is 'stop militarizing the xenomorph; it will kill you, too - that's all it ever does.' Although I was glad to see it wasn't Scott who suggested the 'JC was alien attempt at saving humanity; humanity kills self by killing JC' schtick. That's such a dumb trope it's more a miracle to me somebody wasted the ink printing it.
@@KaiserRuiz yes! there was a one corpse of an engineer in that movie. That corpse looked very tall and huge compared to one we saw in Prom and Alien:cov
Why, he just explained this tale is yet another story to smother rage emotion which is not a flaw at all but the gen which makes humanity still partially free from global tyranny and eventually will lead humanity to the true ascension which is as simple as to understand how technology is THE MOST SACRED possession we have and it is beyond the value of a single individual perhaps even beyond the value of our entire species. The TRUE creators of life, DNA are spreading it in order to collect the technology derived from whatever sentient creature DNA evolves as they wonder across the galaxies along with the ascended species or individuals in such species, this is the secret in the bible and the ark of the alliance was a computer sent to us to understand what should our sacred endeavor be. Ultimately humanity will gain near immortality through technology and we all be able to understand this what I just say here.
A good point, but I don't think Ridley Scott currently has nearly the studio sway or power as, say Spielberg, Tarantino, Cameron, or even the Coen Bros. Honestly I think this whole prequel trilogy would have benefited hugely from adopting a smaller independent scope. Give the director full control but a smaller budget and let the fans and studio interfere less and this definitely wouldn't have been such a jumbled mess. I love so much about this universe and director, it's one of those tragic lost artistic opportunities. Like the 3rd Alien movie. Or the lost 3rd Burton Batman film.
The prometheus franchise sounds like it would've been a million times more creative than what the alien franchise is today. What a shame :( so much potential
@@capitolia Of course as the Engineers movies are made there will have to be an equally mysterious entity towards the end of those to keep the captivating momentum rolling for us enthusiasts. We always need more stimulation, it's so addicting.
@ I liked both prometheus and covenant... They were so different compared to the other alien movies. Actually it would have been pretty boring when they just made the same thing over and over again. David is one of my fav movie villains
Not gonna lie I had suspicions about a lot of these things for a while now, but the transcendence into another dimension part was new. It would have been nice to see these things in the actual movie also. It's a shame that so many movie studios cut these things out for the sake of simplifying them for a more broad audience.
Explains why much of what we observed in Prometheus was seemingly unexplained at the time and while we assumed it all to be connected in some way, it was not obviously so... even in the sequel.
Sadri Mokni I had that thought as well. In fact, it was well after that was well established in the SG universe, so if anything Ridley Scott stole it directly from it. It's interesting that he would choose that direction, but it's not exactly new. Engineers even sounds somewhat derivative of the ancients honestly
So, Ridley Scott basically took everything form Sumerian writings and made it into a movie. Alright, he added few things and renamed some stuff and dramatized the story. I love it.
@@cdm5553 the gods in Sumerian culture were quite literally beings that came down from the sky and engineered life on earth. Not hard to see where he made that connection
It appears I'm one of the few people who really loved Prometheus when it was released in cinemas. I wish we would get a deep dive into the engineer culture. A Netflix show would ideal for this.
I honestly think I could have come up with a better story than how Covenant went from Prometheus. Unfortunately it’s a business, budget limits what can be done and studios choose what they want over story, selling a franchise.
Lamar D. Jackson.. Agreed. I dont understand why we need an origin for the Aliens, never mind the engineers.. Whats wrong with them just evolving on a different planet?
Lamar D. Jackson Ridley Scott needs to reintroduce the real Space Jockey race give us the story of how their creations The Engineers stole their tech and rebelled. Creating their own bio weaponry “pathogen” to counter attack the Space Jockey “Xenomorph”
I agree, but I also think they made a mistake killing off Elizabeth Shaw. They should have continued with her journey into the discovery of the Engineers
I quite like this explanation of the engineers in the script. Let me paraphrase to see if I've got it correct: Engineers lose the ability to reproduce naturally. A chance encounter with another lifeform (the deacon) gave the engineers access to a natural way of gene-editing. The deacon is a proto xenomorph, where it hybridises with its hosts. This means a lot of DNA from other species is integrated into the deacons'. The engineers were able to isolate that DNA and eventually seed worlds with it. Because the deacon indirectly taught the engineers gene-editing, the species was deified and the engineers' relationship with it took on a religiosity. The deacon influenced engineer culture - even their technology looks biomechanical - probably because everything is built using DNA as a template. Perhaps even the engineers' suits are grown from them... It's cool - it adds a lot of depth and uniqueness to the engineers.
Yeah its a cool idea. I personally prefer to assume they have always required the Deacon for reproduction, maybe its so holy to them because they were created by it, for a specific purpose, they dont reproduce by themselves because they are tools for a specific job and nothing more. This also would keep with the whole idea of spicies creating other spicies in this setting, with not even the Engineers being at the top
All of this should have been in the movie. Hollywood and reshoots and drafts is so stupid. Reshoots and drafts ruin everything. All of this should have been in Prometheus and Alien Covenant
You’d think after justice league was ruined by reshoots and alien covenant was ruined by reshoots that they’d understand reshoots are bad for film makers . They make movies worse
Yah everything cut from a film should be put on deleted scenes disk. They never do that though. Suicide squad and justice league have 60 to 70 percent missing cut out footage. Prometheus had a lot of cut footage too we never got to see . The least they can do is make comics version of the original alien covenant before it was reshot and changed
@@ConstantineBrothers @Dino S. Dominic Exactly, when you need a documentation to understand a movie something is wrong. Someone should tell them rule number one for moviemaking: show it, don´t tell it.
@@Name-se3lf Exactly. The Aliens Universe has so much it could offer cinematically. I had high hopes that we would get to see more of the culture and history of the Engineers. Seeing the story of David unfold was disappointing. I wanted to see more of Shaw from Prometheus, as well. Those elements were interesting. They really dissapointed with Alien: Covenant.
Smurf Genocide I agree on the Alien universe potential, the movies barely scratched it, including the prequels, but disagree on the David creation thing, that’s not official, only a fan theory, just as the theory that the Engineers created the Alien.
So basically the engineers created humanity without knowing that we were a failed attempted and managed to extremely progressed without engineer knowledge while having the "aggressive" gene. Hence why in such smaller time humans managed to get in a somewhat even playing field then the engineers without having the ability to see as they do "yet"
I'm an author. I can tell you from experience that what you do in a draft is just get the whole story out there. Editing is how you chuck out the inconsistencies, add or subtract plot items, correct grammar/spelling and so on. If you keep going back and re-editing things, it will take ten times longer to finish. If they were working under a scary deadline, they probably just threw it together and then passed it to the next person. A studio has editors that do the gruntwork of fixing spelling and so on in-house. I am so glad to see you back and making stuff, Kroft! I for one love your voice; I find it soothing!
Fellow author here. Absolutely agree that the first draft is where you pump out every idea you have. Editing is where you cut out inconsistencies, contradictions and unnecessary plot points, as well as rethink ideas. Anything I cut out of my writing, if I don't otherwise reference it elsewhere in the final product (or a sequel), is then considered not to be part of the story. Discarded ideas. As such, things that didn't make it into the final product(s) cannot be definitively regarded as canonical to the franchise. In my opinion.
@@KyleJDurrantAuthor I save a lot of stuff stuff I cut. It might not work in a current place, but a turn of phrase or series of events have worked elsewhere!
@@BellsofNevermore Oh, absolutely. I've got plenty of scenes that I end up repurposing. But I wouldn't say, necessarily, that scenes I remove still happen in the story but just weren't addressed in the final product. That would be like Tolkien saying that he cut out a scene where Gandalf gave Saruman a manicure, but that just because it wasn't in the final product doesn't mean it didn't happen (weird example, but I'm sure you get my meaning). Unless the stuff from the original scripts ends up being repurposed and elucidated upon in a third entry (if one ever happens), it's all still rooted in the "speculation" category.
Humans discover the oldest most technologically advanced species in the universe labeled as “Engineers.” Engineers: uses a plastic flute to active their spaceship
02:10 I don't know if that's the case, but sometimes different errors are introduced into multiple copies of text, so that they can find the culprit if it leaks.
This original lore sounds like a take on Sitchin's translations of ancient Sumerian texts where the Engineers would take the place of the Annunaki and minus the Deacon. I definitely would have been interested in seeing that.
How why? They are weak beings, they got wiped out by a android and an ancient ship of there's. Also they are mindless beings the dude just stares at humans and immediately tries to kill them, he's outnumbered and out gunned! He knows how far humans would have to get to stand in front of him and it would be wise to attempt to communicate wirh them and understand things before killing them!
@@brentmichael4770 lol they didnt get wiped out, it was not the engineers home planet where david dropped the pathogen. And also he did communicate with david and tho seeing that humans couldnt communicate with them only their robots can, so he was most likely even more disappointed.
I feel like it's so much lore that the Engineers deserve their own series. I will not be satisfied until then. Love the video. I hope the next film doesn't end it. It's too much happening and so many unanswered questions.
Agreed. It would be a massive mistake to just walk away from the story. There is so much material they could/should cover to tie things up. Despite the parts where the films fail....I love the story
They messed it up already in Alien Covenant. Elizabeth Shaw is dead and they killed off the Engineers. Shaw was such a great character. Perhaps the Ripley of the alien prequels.
@@leiapweasecomeback798 That is true Ridley Scott mentioned he was working on a Alien Covenant sequel script over a year ago but aside from Disney confirming to continue the Alien franchise under fox now 20th century studios, we still don't know if Disney will make Ridley Scotts film believed to be called Alien Awakening or go into another direction.
imagine the frustration the writers and director must feel due to all the content they were made to cut, Its left so many loose ends for us! I hope the follow up film rumored to have just gone into production fills them in.
Will there ever be a prometheus sequel? Its been so long and I'm tired of waiting. The engineer storyline is the most interesting thing in the Alien/Predator universe imo.
the chinese market** we were cool with it but since everyone is money hungry..they wanted the movie to hit china..Chinese market didnt like the religous base plot...the plot was forced to he changed and that's one of the reasons noomi rapace was fired as the star of the movie
The Engineers were a concept from the original Alien movie (of course) and were already being described in more detail in the extended Alien universe novels back in the mid 90s, I believe one shows up to save the day in one of the final chapters of the ALIENS - Earth Hive novel.
This is a multitude of ancient stories/mythology mainly Sumer, Babylon, Arkadia and most probably more. And Stargate is based on a lot of mythology many so called Stargates around the planet. And a little halo
Who knows maybe a species or something like them do really exist. It would explain the repetition of them showing up in various ancient and modern mythologies. We can never know for sure, but I have seen a thing or two that makes me question the reality we are presented in some ways. It's best not to dwell with such little evidence to go on, but it's also best to keep at least an open mind to the possibility. You need good evidence to rule these things out also.
I think everyone overlooked this detail. The engineer at the begining of Prometheus had a very human like body, but the one they encounter later in the film looks quite different and it's unclear if he's wearing a suit or if that is some kind of deacon/engineer hybrid.
All in all, I liked Prometheus. But I had issues with parts of it throughout the movie. What was revealed here, would have fixed those parts. Good going!
This was a really great summary! Absolutely fascinating! So many of those scenes were literal takes on ancient drawings, such as the Mayan spaceman drawing/carving. Much of the lore can be found in Native-American culture, which all refer to a race of giants which lived here, including Gitche Manitou, Kitchikewana, Glooscap, Nanabojo, Metacomet, and many many more. In fact, all cultures have a piece of the puzzle, or a window into this common past.
As someone else said, "ever notice how all the instruments looking for intelligent live are pointing away from Earth?" A brilliant, thought-provoking film.
Jon Spaihts script was pretty much a straight forward Alien prequel with not much excitement in the script so Lindelof came up with the whole engineers story which Ridley really liked and continued forwards. The documentary is called The Furious Gods: Making of Prometheus and its in the 4 disc collectors blu ray release, an amazing doc for any Alien fan, thanks for the video Kroft, its been awfully quite since the Disney merger, at least this is some good content for us Alien fans, hoping to get some news on the “upcoming” movie/serie or at least some news about the “upcoming” Aliens game in the near future
Engineer lands on Earth, prepared to share their scientific lexicon..... _They look over and see someone eating bat soup_ ~Packs up, travels back to Engineer Land.
Being a casual Alien fan, my subscribing to your channel has made me a true believer. Especially with the Ancient Astronauts overtones! Thank you for all your efforts!
The thing that bugged me a lot is how the engineer they found was so mindless and resulted to violence so fast! could have easily tricked them into a room and locked them away with the black goo etc. For such an advanced race, the engineer made some very dumb quick choices to deal with the situation
@Deez Nuts If they are quick to violence why didn't they wipe each other out? Reason undermines violence. It's implausible that a species could advance intellectually while abandoning reason so quickly and compulsively.
@Deez Nuts That's a different proposition. The trait they would have to possess to determine when violence is necessary and when it is unavoidable is reason. In order to not go extinct they wold have to operate with reason and not with involuntary reactions. They have to cooperate far more than not. What you were defending was the proposition that being quick to violence (being a common trait) doesn't mean your species is not advanced and not what you state in your second post: a race that reasons and considers the alternatives might see the need to act violently. Being quick to violence is an involuntary reaction not a considered response.
I agree, but also consider that particular Engineer was just a grunt soldier/pilot. I don't think they were all super enlightened scientists necessarily. Also consider since he knew Humans had shown up there for some reason, he could surmise things had gone very wrong and probably overreacted to them, since humans were probably like vermin to them anyway
Can't Get Right I always thought that he was angered by seeing that humans created David, the perfect life form. Even more perfect than the engineer himself. He wanted to destroy them all.
I don’t believe that the engineers were trying to understand why humans are so violent, because clearly the engineers themselves behave very violently. The first film Prometheus, towards the end when the older Peter Weyland had David to wake up the last remaining engineer so that he could ask him questions, the engineer ended up killing all of them, and that’s pretty violent to me. That same engineer ended up coming after Elizabeth Shaw by following her to the ship, and when he found her, he was very violent.
I thought David was able to read and operate Engineer stuff because it's in Sumerian Cueniform. This is a "nod" to Zachariah Sitchen who declared that our immortal creators (the Annunaki) were aliens who created us using their own DNA. David is shown early in the film learning a variety of ancient languages, hence his grasp of Engineer-speak. The idea of the Engineers transcending physical form was done to death by 2001 and Star Trek The Motion Picture so it was too derivative.
Sitchen isn't the originator of the man being from aliens concept. The Babylonian Enuma Elisha states humans were created when the gods sacrificed one of their sub god slave race called the Igigi and used the blood/DNA to create humans to do the Igigi work since the Igigi were complaining about the tedious labor and were rebelling against Enlil. The bible picks up on this theme centuries later in Genesis ch 2 where the biblical god created Adam to be a slave in some garden to "til the soil". Sitchen just gave some far out interpretations
I read in dark horse comics that the engineers were a slave race created/ served the space jockeys race.The engineers rebelled . I remember that the jockeys race had all the technology and the engineers took/stole the technology for themselves. Thanks again for your show.
@@intuativefiha5771 it’s a work of fiction and in work of fiction the author/writer/producer/director is the maker and in that sense they are essentially “god” for the characters he/she created...or you didn’t get the joke.
@@tjuk8050 well tbh, hairs are one of those useless things in human body that serves no purpose. As it's documented everywhere that as human beings evolves, they will lose all hairs. And since engineers are very evolved race, it's not a shocker that they are hairless.
You took the works right from my mouth, his voice is very calming, I've watched his videos over and over, it's been awhile since we had a alien video so it felt like something was missing in my life, can't get enough
@@kroft_movies Where are you from? Your accent is cool but I can't really place where in the world it's from. I'm glad you're still putting out these videos. Thanks for all the hard work!
Does anybody else find it fascinating and creepy that even the Engineers - a grand, advanced race - still seek a higher state of being? Essentially their entire race dying in order to transcend to an unfathomable existence. I mean, just imagine that: You meet your creator, who gifts your race knowledge that will change you forever. Your creator wishes to enlighten you and for your race to follow in their steps. Your creators wish for their own end - death of the physical self - so that they can transcend to the next plane, whatever that may be. It's like a cult and Kool-Aid scenario. Nightmarish, fascinating. I love it. Thanks for another great vid, It Kroft. I also love your choice of background music for your videos. It really adds to the atmosphere.
So we still don't know where the xenomorph really came from, since the engineers only found one of them. More importantly; they made a philosophical horror movie and accidentally removed all the philosophy.
I don't know man that conversation between David and Shaw's husband was pretty philosophical. It's almost nihilistic. Imagine we meet our creator face to face and ask him why or what is our purpose and their answer is "meh, I was bored and because I could." Would definitely destroy any facet of destiny or purpose in the human condition if that was the answer.
I love the introduction of the Engineers. I was hoping to see more of the original Engineers in Covenant. But I find the Engineer subspecies in Covenant interesting considering that it was heavily implied that they worshiped the main Engineers. The Engineer murals, how they all came out to greet David in celebration when he came thinking he was an Engineer in Covenant. Also only having one city on that planet shows that this place was more of a planet of study. Probably like Earth except they are not failed projects like we were. I wish they stuck to the original narrative of learning about the Engineers and what drives them. Hoping to see more of the original Engineers in future movies. Possibly even what creatures impregnated an Engineer to create the first Decan. Was it the original Xenomorph species? I would like to see more Neomorph too.
There's a reason why Ridley was pressured to stop that original story from going into production. He was getting way too close to disseminating via media information about our own existence and origins that would have been too jarring and thought provoking for the amount of people he had influence over. It would have been a beneficial thing, which is a damn shame. That story needs to be told.
This script reveals much more details. This should have been incorporated. One Engineer is saying that a ship has malfunctioned and landed on close planet i.e LV 426 and it has been infected by face hugger. Directly connecting to events in Alien(1979) plus weyland also mention about signal from near by planet that signal is seen in alien movie. Prometheus is perfectly drafted.👍👍 These scenes should have been incorporated.👍
The allure of the engineers is the mystery. I would love a movie about them. But the reality of it would be hard to pull off and maintain the mystique. Not impossible but boy would it be easy to screw up
Completely agree. I'd watch the crap outta that. All I see with Prometheus and Covenant is just how cynical and focus group-addicted science fiction has become, especially in film. I'd love a project that maintained the mindset, "Here's an idea - you won't entirely understand, but feel free to discuss." Seems like a much more elegant attempt at storytelling than having to wrap everything up, from our earth-human perspective no less, despite millions of years of complex intergalactic civilization.
It's probably best not to make a movie about them. Remember The Predator? That's what you get when you try to give a backstory to characters who don't need it. Predator 2 was where they should have stopped revealing things, and should have just made another Predator movie in another time in the past, then no more. Maybe 1 good AvP movie. Then no more.
Film technique and technology used for size differences have been much more remarkable since LOTR, Marvel and others. It would have been great if this type of approach had been utilized with the Engineers in these films from Scott, in a groundbreaking fashion, but that's no reason to not use them now to better fully explain the Engineers.
its a catch 22..we would all love to see more about The Engineers but if we did, we would never be satisfied enough...The Mystery as you put it is exactly correct. We have been let down too many times by diving in too deep to get more, just to be let down for most movies and TV shows. i think one more Engineer movie would be good as long as they dont overdo it.
this is a 98.9% reproduction of the SG1 tv show, there is no way they thought this was a fresh idea. and SG1 got 94%of their ideas from the 1971 book Chariots of the Gods? And that book spawned 33% of our current space Sci-fi fiction. I like this kind of stuff but I was hoping for something a lil more fresh?? Well I guess they said if it ain't broke don't fix it.
isn't i obvious David behaves like an engineer already? His lifespan is enormous, "he" cannot procreate biologically and seems to be pretty obessed impregnating the girlfriend. my impression is, you have the assumption the engineers were "flawless". I don't think so, their creations are pretty ambivalent, which exposes *their* inherent flaws
What if the creation was not meant to be flawless in the first place? For instance one cannot judge the designer for a design without knowing the intent behind the design.
Then I didn't get why if the planet was just a testing facility would the engineers give that location to the ancient humans, that the main characters would use to go to that planet in the first place
Producers and filmmakers no longer care about continuity, good script, plot holes filling or answering questions. They care about money. So they are making films without making sense. Anyway Pronetheus is better than Covenant
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It was a shame that after Prometheus all we got was a gore fest with more variants of the xenomorph. Really wanted to know more about the actual engineers.
There was much more they could have done with Prometheus 2. I agree it is sad that we got what was essentially another slasher flick.
Blame the fans who complained saying the movie lacked aliens, Xenos or whatever it is when Prometheus came out...we would have gotten so much better for the sequel if it wasn't for the dumb fans' stupid complaints..Scott just gave what those fans wanted in Alien: Covenant...
Probably not, the more you define things in fiction, the more you fk up the story.
Everybody pissed about that
Gore fest? So true but when you have a generation of people whose mental capacity is focused on how to get the highest score for gore filled video games, well, that’s what sets the bar for deep thinking.
Agree. Engineers deserve a trilogy of their own
Do you think the theme of survival horror would still be a center focus if they did that?
I'm still waiting
@@roadrunner2439 meep meep
I'd be stoked with an entire SERIES of movies centered around them. ^_^
@@LtActionCam i wouldn't care if it wasn't... sci fi is it's own great genre.
My reflection after watching this : the engineers create humanity by combining themselves with the blood of the deacon . They then discover that humans are violently flawed as a result .The engineers then decide to isolate and study these violent elements so that they can synthesize a better black goo to use when trying to create life . Conversely : David becomes infatuated with fully embracing and accelerating the characteristics that the engineers are trying to remove. You have David and the engineers working in direct opposition . They are now at war to claim humanity’s soul as good or evil by highlighting the good and bad parts of our nature biologically . Engineers are trying to create angels (perhaps to take their place as Shepard’s of the universe ?) David is trying to create demons (apex predator beings that are wholly selfish and unbound by rational virtue) Essentially a story of good vs evil. I know this is all speculation but I have to say it’s really cool if this is the direction they are going.
I like it
This is nice.
One of the deacon's "parents", big sqiddy, came out of a human impregnated by another human infected with black goo. The deacon's granma' and granpa' were Shaw and Holloway.
I don't see any human (male or female) on this thing: www.alien-covenant.com/aliencovenant_uploads/1_-_original.jpg
So either the screenwriters wrote themselves in a corner, or the Engineers can time travel.
And the Engineers are supposedly a very intelligent race. I'd get it if it was an experiment, in a contained, small area. But entire planets???
Chief Engineer to Sacrificial Engineer:
"Yeah, Jeff, let's mix the DNA of an extremely hostile, hard to kill, purely instinctual organism with your DNA.
Surely we'll create an entire planet of peaceful, perfect, lovable fuzzballs that'll replace us someday. Aaah, think of the memories. Can't wait. Kthx bye!"
Either they're dumber than a bag of rocks or the story has become so convoluted that Ridley Scott has no idea how to make heads or tail of it anymore.
@@Alexandra.AI. yeah it is all over the place as a story so far but it is sorta fun to theorize ways they could tie it all together and actually end up with something unique and compelling
@@drumbran It is fun to speculate, yes.
I remember spending a lot of time reading theories on the AvP Galaxy forum right after Prometheus came out.
Wish they would have kept the extended scenes with the Engineer that wakes up, when he talks to Weyland, when he looks around his ship...
The scene where Elizabeth repairs David too.
And this is just personal preference but it's such a pitty they killed Shaw.
Though I like Daniels a lot.
It's become more and more difficult to come up with theories that actually make sense and are able to tie everything together.
I'm not that optimistic that the new movie can do that, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
The fact that we are here eight years later still hungry for more of the Engineer's story is quite a testament. The Engineer's story is one that must be told. Their DNA is a 100% match to human DNA. They did "engineer" us and made some pretty interesting changes. Why didn't they make us in their image? Why give us an age span of 100 years as opposed to their 100,000 year lifespan? Was this done to give them an edge of superiority or did they come to find that these were flaws that needed to be corrected? If they are not God's then who or what created them? Did their creator view them as flawed and took away their ability to procreate naturally? They went to great lengths to produce the black goo safely. How did it get loose and kill all of them except one? Did someone release it on purpose? I hope we get more of the Engineer's story in the next film.
Well I think the reason why we got a 100 years of life span is that we can evolve faster there are variations in our dna which make us better and these variations are passed on to our future generations by us. Us having a shorter life span means we reproduce quickly meaning the variations are given to our future generations quickly and then they give thiers to thier future generation quickly meaning we are evolving faster which means we have a higher rate of survival in the future and its no kind of downgrade. The engineers also made us less strong than them maybe thinking that we may work together and share everything love pain but that definitely did not go thier way so its natural that thry got very angry and wanted to destroy us But they also have worse temper than us which they wanted cure in us because it was a flaw in them. It is actually easy to prove as if humans make something and it doesnt endup get destroyef that often we try to make it better upgrade it but engineers on such a thing like human race thier creation have no feeling of forgiveness but just anger over our failure and thier failure and they make thier mind to destroy us. We are actually superior to them in all aspects except knowledge which we would gain by time which would make us more stronger and better
If their DNA is a 100% match...
Mark Riek Opo so if humans are a relatively new species. We went thru evolution from dinosaurs/early mammals and somehow became humanoid again after billions of years....so convoluted how are we an 100% match of dna
@@tatum635 Because evolution is a sham
They couldn't procreate their own. Maybe creating human millions of years ago was their best attempt then. Given that the Engineers were so advanced, I would expect their knowledge would have grown enormously in these million years timeframe. They would have evolved leaps and bounds since the time they seeded life in earth.
I totally agree with other commentators. Prometheus is the best movie outside of the original trilogy. And deserves it's own standalone movie on The Engineer lore.
Mr Sosha Da baad Man the series is called “Alien” not “xenomorph” after all
@@HenglishShogun Slow day over here. Please come again? I don't follow.
Im referencing all of the fans here. The fanbase is divided lately with people who love and people who hate the inclusion of engineers.
Im merely bringing to light that the series is called “alien” implying how the title leaves wiggle room for story expansion like this.
Im 100% down for even more Alien and new creatures/races under the IP. Hopefully the prometheus trend in the series continues.
@@HenglishShogun Oh yes brilliant. Now I follow thanks, you are absolutely correct.
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Not when the “new” inclusion is poorly thought storytelling that ruins previous established lore. The least they could do is give us more than well-intentioned ideas and less “yes, I think this fits, that old thing is done anyway”.
I was never fan of Alien but with Engineers its a different story. So fascinating
I really liked the Alien, Aliens is still good but the rest of the sequels, prequels and interlocked stories were subpar. Engineers were a really interesting concept.
@iAintDoNufn Alien and Aliens sucked ? 😂😂 you're very alone on that, or you're trolling..lol
Yes I did too
Im a Predator fan.. Best race in Univers..
@@KennyMarberg83 i agree,Predators are bad ass
The Engineers are mesmerizing. Such a beautiful design. They look like marble sculptures
Albino bald tall Trent Reznor
Like the reason ancient Greeks designed their statues
The original Greek statues were painted all over with bright colors.
They are beautiful creations. I was looking for a video on those prosthetics.
They are one of the cheapest aliens of movie history. And they look like handsome squidward.
Prometheus in my opinion was way way better than alien covenant. Just the philosophical themes and symbolism makes you think about the movie way more after you're done watching. Covenant was just one and done and failed to add anything new or interesting to the story. It was just like an offering to digrunteled fans complaining about the lack of aliens.
P.S glad you're back buddy. We missed ya
I hated Prometheus when I saw it in theaters, it's gotten MUCH better over time and I consider it a solid film now if you disconnect it from the Alien series. The special effects are actually still outstanding, and the film looks much, much better than Alien Covenant. Covenant is straight up bad, boring, plodding, but I still like the David story and seeing some almost-Xenos show up in the last 20 minutes.
Idk why but I never thought Prometheus was bad. I liked the cinematography and plot but the characters were all pretty annoying imo.
Totally agree
And let me not talk about riddley killing shaws character ..he had the luck to make a new bad ass female lead actress like sigourney and he ruined it..
Let's be fair, it's a masterpiece compared to anything in any of the other new sci fi soft reboots... Covenant included sadly!
It’s interesting that the engineers in trying to understand the problem of humanity (its violence), made a pathogen that created a much more violent and menacing creature. And then surprisingly decided to use this pathogen to wipe out humanity. As if, to them, absolute chaos is preferable to a “violent but civilisation-building” humanity.
Xenomorphs are hardly intelligent (at least not enough to build a ship or something)
The engineers are right in a certain way
Violent species always start new wars, and are always creating new weapons
And maybe, one day, they'll create a weapon powerful enough to end the whole universe
So the best option is to destroy any violent and intelligent species
I wouldnt really say the Xenos are violent, wouldn you consider a lion violent just for hunting and eating prey to survive so it can reproduce? I think they made them to kind of take out the humans in a more “natural” way
Its a disgusting concept... .a Completly ego motivated society.. Smh such ugliness.. Ot kinda makes sense to me.. Build something that is a pure version of that to destroy it.. Aka burn it with fire.
The Xenomorphs were intelligent at one time. Their technological advancements were raised to such a height that their biological intelligence became obsolete. For example, humans are trying to design a robot like us in appearance, yet much smarter, much faster, and much stronger. Careful what you wish for!
Do you think suffering is better than no suffering?
I liked Prometheus - Its the first big budget movie to depict the alien astronaut theme but taken to a whole other level with birth of life, religious sacrifice, transcendance, the gift of fire etc.
Its all so fascinating.And so scary...
So much deeper than the horror movie trope that alien is, or the action movie trope of predator eh? They should do more with these engineer beings
Shame the sequel was shite - I was hoping we would see where they came from
Yeah it seemed there was a tension btw these philosophical themes and a thriller/ monster mash up. Prob cause of the studios
Absolutely terrifying
@@Bumbaclot213It was bcuz dumbasses complained that Prometheus didn’t have enuff aliens & gore/blood/horror so they went away from that & we got that bs Covemant movie my friend. If dumbasses didn’t complained (honestly it’s the producers fault for even listening bcuz they should’ve kept the original plan/story going) so much bout the 1st movie then we’d have gotten where did the Engineers came from & why did they created aliens & why they wanted to destroy shit ya kno? Smh
This originally intended plot is profoundly beautiful and epic. It's sad how it was not fully presented by the movies.
The Engineer race looks pretty stupid to me. Eliminate violence from humanity for what? Extinction? They're also hypocrite, calling mankind violent yet attempt to exterminatus them.
I just want the Space Jockey design back.....
@@khai96x Scientists probably don't consider it violence when putting down a monkey after it has produced the usable data either.
@@aceofdub its really because of alien 1 and 2. they are up there with greatest scifi ever
@@Stoppskylten more like taking advantage of a pandemic
I love the large engineers, their look is so fascinating, the way they move their bodies and stuff.
There's something angelic about them, like whole. You kind of feel for them being disappointed by humans.
@@ronmessico8012 True! But I'm not the biggest fan of humanity myself, we can be so cruel and selfish.
You should marry an engineer, sounds like you're REALLY into them 🤷🏻♂️
@@ScrumDelly no it's fine, I found K-pop and those guys are the sweetest
I believe Ridley Scott said part 3 of this trilogy would do a deep dive into the Engineers and their past, etc. I hope Disney green lights a third movie.
But how when David killed them all
@@klickklack3949 No he didn't...in part 2 when he unleashed the bio weapon on that planet, it wasn't the engineer home planet...those people were another species that the engineers created just like they created humans. Their actual home planet was never shown.
@@klickklack3949 Read it again...the writer of the article wrote it wrong... Ridley never said it was the Engineer home world...he explained that the engineers would regularly destroy civilizations that they created if they weren't happy with the outcome. They would destroy and recreate over and over until they got it right. The species on the planet was their creation but it was not the engineer home world. They did not look the same as engineers although they were similar. David did think the planet they traveled to was their home world though. Killing them all is part of his plan.
The engineers are far more advanced than the primitive people who David destroyed. There's no way he would have been able to take out the Engineer home planet so easily as they would have seen him coming and would have been ready...also keep in mind that the bio weapon he used was created by the engineers. It's silly to think they don't have the resources to prevent their own weapons from destroying them.
@@GSP-76 do we have resources to prevent our weapons from destroying us. No we don't. If we used our atomic weapons we'd be gone in minutes or hours..... I believe engineers are destroyed until another movie proofs me wrong.
The other engineers from the deleted scenes in Prometheus look nearly identical to the ones seen in Covenant. No explanation is given, but clearly there is a caste difference of some kind... Your wild theories sound nice but unless they aren't proven right they remain theories. (even the screenplay writer said that the engineers ending wasn't planed like that but somehow just happened that way.)
Engineers create humans. Human creates Android. Android destroys engineers... That's it. Circle closed.
@@klickklack3949 uh, we're talking about a fictional movie here, not real life...but to that point, they did say that the engineers were purposely doing their research and weapon creation off planet...I guess for good reason.
Ridley Scott said he wants to expand the Engineer backstory more in a possible third film. I believe there were even talks about possibly continuing the story in a tv show so let's how it pans out...as for the civilization David destroyed, it's definitely not the engineers...it would be a silly stupid way for a civilization that's been around for a hundred thousand years to simply die off so easily...plus there were no advanced structures or technology on that planet. The ships they flew into space were highly advanced, yet none of that was seen on the planet. It looked more like a Roman era civilization and the people on the ground looked like very simple people with no technology. That's definitely not the way the Engineers lived.
Two Engineer factions. The “religious” monks and the Military. The military (Engineers in the biosuits) were not big on all the biological creation the monks were on about and viewed the results, especially the humans, as an eventual threat. War breaks out, “Aliens” were created, and much hilarity ensued. Actually they ended up killing each other off, before anybody got around to finishing us off, we just managed to find all the left overs.
Yusssssss
And you've just given the synopsis of Raised By Wolves.
@@berrygirlfinn obviously what Ridley Scott planned for this prequel.
This. And thank you, especially for that 'much hilarity ensued' bit, I needed that today. But yeah, I get that same war-vibe, as well. The one sermon common to every film in the franchise is 'stop militarizing the xenomorph; it will kill you, too - that's all it ever does.' Although I was glad to see it wasn't Scott who suggested the 'JC was alien attempt at saving humanity; humanity kills self by killing JC' schtick. That's such a dumb trope it's more a miracle to me somebody wasted the ink printing it.
Kind of like planet of the Apes with Gorillas (Hunt Leader) Orangutans (Dr. Zaius) and Chimpanzees. (Cornelius)
They missed a massive trick with this. Imagine how hyped this would be if they went with original draft and made it more about the Engineers 😔
I would love that.
Wasn't there a corpse of an engineer on a ship looking just the same as in prometheus in the original Alien movie 1979?
I wish Denis Villeneuve took this and made it as good and as exciting as he did with Dune.
@@KaiserRuiz yes! there was a one corpse of an engineer in that movie. That corpse looked very tall and huge compared to one we saw in Prom and Alien:cov
@@sanaluv4487 but how do we explain that there where eggs already on the ship instead of the black goo. This is confusing to me lol
This needs a netflix or hbo series to get through all details. It would be dope see the engineer lore play out instead of just being alluded to.
Watch Raised By Wolves directed by Ridley Scott
@@mr.musical1853 Raised by wolves was amazing and showed what he can do with t.v.
Why, he just explained this tale is yet another story to smother rage emotion which is not a flaw at all but the gen which makes humanity still partially free from global tyranny and eventually will lead humanity to the true ascension which is as simple as to understand how technology is THE MOST SACRED possession we have and it is beyond the value of a single individual perhaps even beyond the value of our entire species. The TRUE creators of life, DNA are spreading it in order to collect the technology derived from whatever sentient creature DNA evolves as they wonder across the galaxies along with the ascended species or individuals in such species, this is the secret in the bible and the ark of the alliance was a computer sent to us to understand what should our sacred endeavor be. Ultimately humanity will gain near immortality through technology and we all be able to understand this what I just say here.
Maybe a show about a war with the yautja
It would be boring.
They could’ve just made 3 awesome movies explaining all this.
A good point, but I don't think Ridley Scott currently has nearly the studio sway or power as, say Spielberg, Tarantino, Cameron, or even the Coen Bros. Honestly I think this whole prequel trilogy would have benefited hugely from adopting a smaller independent scope. Give the director full control but a smaller budget and let the fans and studio interfere less and this definitely wouldn't have been such a jumbled mess. I love so much about this universe and director, it's one of those tragic lost artistic opportunities. Like the 3rd Alien movie. Or the lost 3rd Burton Batman film.
@Gasper Vidovic exactly what a shame
@@jessefriesen9121 so much wasted potential and creative energy to create a unique mythology we’d all hoped for just wasted by Hollywood parasites
No they couldn't, they didn't get funding because people complained about it too much.
Like let's prequel the shit out of this?
Surprisingly, the engineers are exactly what I imagine hyper intelligent extra terrestrial life to be like. Ridley did a damn good job.
And he never portrayed it on the screen smfh
Seriously tho man I agree. *fist bump*
Then david s&@t on all of it
I see them more as cyborgs , connected with some sort of AI.
I was thinking the same thing dude before even seeing the movie
The prometheus franchise sounds like it would've been a million times more creative than what the alien franchise is today. What a shame :( so much potential
Definitely. They had a huge opportunity to expand the Alien universe with the Engineers subject.
All people hated prometheus even tho it is a masterpiece... That's why we never got some more explanation
@@capitolia Of course as the Engineers movies are made there will have to be an equally mysterious entity towards the end of those to keep the captivating momentum rolling for us enthusiasts. We always need more stimulation, it's so addicting.
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@ I liked both prometheus and covenant... They were so different compared to the other alien movies. Actually it would have been pretty boring when they just made the same thing over and over again. David is one of my fav movie villains
Not gonna lie I had suspicions about a lot of these things for a while now, but the transcendence into another dimension part was new. It would have been nice to see these things in the actual movie also. It's a shame that so many movie studios cut these things out for the sake of simplifying them for a more broad audience.
Explains why much of what we observed in Prometheus was seemingly unexplained at the time and while we assumed it all to be connected in some way, it was not obviously so... even in the sequel.
It's similar to the story of the Ancients in Stargate. Seeders of life who transcended into another realm.
Sadri Mokni I had that thought as well. In fact, it was well after that was well established in the SG universe, so if anything Ridley Scott stole it directly from it. It's interesting that he would choose that direction, but it's not exactly new. Engineers even sounds somewhat derivative of the ancients honestly
Even Halo has a similar precursor species who transcended.
The Engineers transcended to the Underverse.
So, Ridley Scott basically took everything form Sumerian writings and made it into a movie. Alright, he added few things and renamed some stuff and dramatized the story. I love it.
When they return on their warp ships, there's going to be one hell of a copyright claim.
Ridley loves the Ancient Aliens idea.
Yoo where were the aliens in the sumerian story? Lol ik they have the annunaki gods, made the ppl but where does the "aliens" come in.
@@cdm5553 the gods in Sumerian culture were quite literally beings that came down from the sky and engineered life on earth. Not hard to see where he made that connection
@@cdm5553 here's where you say thank you for the lesson sir I'll have another
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Thank goodness. Nearly fell asleep!
Cheers!
Thank you. "One Hour Hotdog" over here was getting a bit intense.
Thank you for this comment lol
And he didnt get to the first point for half the video.
This should've been transformed from movies to a series on Netflix or somewhere. Could've gone into detail with all this stuff.
It appears I'm one of the few people who really loved Prometheus when it was released in cinemas. I wish we would get a deep dive into the engineer culture. A Netflix show would ideal for this.
Excellent idea. There's a definite audience for this.
Well Disney owning Fox and starting a war against Netflix, the only possibility would be a Disney Plus show.
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@@davyheijlands1956 I loved this movie. One of my all time favorites.
It's amazing how people can write these stories and bring them to life on big screen
We need another movie about the engineers, as it was suggested at the end of Prometheus.
I honestly think I could have come up with a better story than how Covenant went from Prometheus. Unfortunately it’s a business, budget limits what can be done and studios choose what they want over story, selling a franchise.
Lamar D. Jackson.. Agreed. I dont understand why we need an origin for the Aliens, never mind the engineers.. Whats wrong with them just evolving on a different planet?
Lamar D. Jackson Ridley Scott needs to reintroduce the real Space Jockey race give us the story of how their creations The Engineers stole their tech and rebelled. Creating their own bio weaponry “pathogen” to counter attack the Space Jockey “Xenomorph”
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I agree, but I also think they made a mistake killing off Elizabeth Shaw. They should have continued with her journey into the discovery of the Engineers
The engineers were engineered to engineer by other engineers that are engineered by engineers
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I quite like this explanation of the engineers in the script. Let me paraphrase to see if I've got it correct: Engineers lose the ability to reproduce naturally. A chance encounter with another lifeform (the deacon) gave the engineers access to a natural way of gene-editing. The deacon is a proto xenomorph, where it hybridises with its hosts. This means a lot of DNA from other species is integrated into the deacons'. The engineers were able to isolate that DNA and eventually seed worlds with it. Because the deacon indirectly taught the engineers gene-editing, the species was deified and the engineers' relationship with it took on a religiosity. The deacon influenced engineer culture - even their technology looks biomechanical - probably because everything is built using DNA as a template. Perhaps even the engineers' suits are grown from them... It's cool - it adds a lot of depth and uniqueness to the engineers.
Yeah its a cool idea. I personally prefer to assume they have always required the Deacon for reproduction, maybe its so holy to them because they were created by it, for a specific purpose, they dont reproduce by themselves because they are tools for a specific job and nothing more.
This also would keep with the whole idea of spicies creating other spicies in this setting, with not even the Engineers being at the top
still makes no sense, and you shouldn't have to research or speculate these kinds of things. they should be shown in the story, or it's a bad story,
All of this should have been in the movie. Hollywood and reshoots and drafts is so stupid. Reshoots and drafts ruin everything. All of this should have been in Prometheus and Alien Covenant
Chris I agree
You’d think after justice league was ruined by reshoots and alien covenant was ruined by reshoots that they’d understand reshoots are bad for film makers . They make movies worse
Chris Agreed. The deleted portions of the PROMETHEUS script would have been useful and would have vastly improved that movie.
Yah everything cut from a film should be put on deleted scenes disk. They never do that though. Suicide squad and justice league have 60 to 70 percent missing cut out footage. Prometheus had a lot of cut footage too we never got to see . The least they can do is make comics version of the original alien covenant before it was reshot and changed
I doubt it. I witnessed most viewers of the first movie were furrowing their brows in a zane attempt to understand
All of this should be in a book!
Someone needs to tell Ridley if it's NOT ON FILM IT DOESN'T COUNT.
rofl right? Fucks sake Ridley, I thought this stuff was awesome but I disliked the movies because non of this stuff really came across at all.
@@ConstantineBrothers @Dino S. Dominic Exactly, when you need a documentation to understand a movie something is wrong. Someone should tell them rule number one for moviemaking: show it, don´t tell it.
I believe it makes the movie much more interesting when it still has mysteries left, some things to think about.
@@MrNucleosome Absolutely ! I don't know how anyone could argue the opposite. But i do understand people being tired of the xenomorph.
@@ConstantineBrothers prometheus is amazing movie. Prometheus 2 I liked less at least at the moment
Always loved the Xenomorphs. Their story has been done to death, though. Always wanted to know more about the Engineers.
It really has, and some of the best Alien comic runs have barely had Xenos in them
@@Name-se3lf Exactly. The Aliens Universe has so much it could offer cinematically. I had high hopes that we would get to see more of the culture and history of the Engineers. Seeing the story of David unfold was disappointing. I wanted to see more of Shaw from Prometheus, as well. Those elements were interesting. They really dissapointed with Alien: Covenant.
I disagree. What has been ruined about the alien is their mystique. Having them be created by david was lazy and stupid.
@@nunyabusiness6691 you disagree about what exactly
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I agree on the Alien universe potential, the movies barely scratched it, including the prequels, but disagree on the David creation thing, that’s not official, only a fan theory, just as the theory that the Engineers created the Alien.
The Engineers failed at taking us out. Now I have massive debt and anxiety. Thanks a lot.
LOL!!!
I KNEW it 😡😡😡😡
So basically the engineers created humanity without knowing that we were a failed attempted and managed to extremely progressed without engineer knowledge while having the "aggressive" gene. Hence why in such smaller time humans managed to get in a somewhat even playing field then the engineers without having the ability to see as they do "yet"
I'm an author. I can tell you from experience that what you do in a draft is just get the whole story out there. Editing is how you chuck out the inconsistencies, add or subtract plot items, correct grammar/spelling and so on. If you keep going back and re-editing things, it will take ten times longer to finish. If they were working under a scary deadline, they probably just threw it together and then passed it to the next person. A studio has editors that do the gruntwork of fixing spelling and so on in-house. I am so glad to see you back and making stuff, Kroft! I for one love your voice; I find it soothing!
Fellow author here.
Absolutely agree that the first draft is where you pump out every idea you have.
Editing is where you cut out inconsistencies, contradictions and unnecessary plot points, as well as rethink ideas.
Anything I cut out of my writing, if I don't otherwise reference it elsewhere in the final product (or a sequel), is then considered not to be part of the story.
Discarded ideas.
As such, things that didn't make it into the final product(s) cannot be definitively regarded as canonical to the franchise.
In my opinion.
@@KyleJDurrantAuthor I save a lot of stuff stuff I cut. It might not work in a current place, but a turn of phrase or series of events have worked elsewhere!
@@BellsofNevermore Oh, absolutely. I've got plenty of scenes that I end up repurposing. But I wouldn't say, necessarily, that scenes I remove still happen in the story but just weren't addressed in the final product.
That would be like Tolkien saying that he cut out a scene where Gandalf gave Saruman a manicure, but that just because it wasn't in the final product doesn't mean it didn't happen (weird example, but I'm sure you get my meaning).
Unless the stuff from the original scripts ends up being repurposed and elucidated upon in a third entry (if one ever happens), it's all still rooted in the "speculation" category.
What crazy timing. I was searching for their possible origins and bam, I'm here w you're video released 8 hours ago as I slept. amazing.
thx man !!!!
Humans discover the oldest most technologically advanced species in the universe labeled as “Engineers.”
Engineers: uses a plastic flute to active their spaceship
Space god voldemorts with squidward skills
Sound can levitate objects, communicate, create, and destroy. We use a mouse on our computers, no telling what others would use.
A sonic key you heathen 😂 eco friendly durable and easily replicated or fixed?
"We got tired of losing the keys so we invented this."
You can easily tell who the joker is...his ship uses a kazoo.
02:10 I don't know if that's the case, but sometimes different errors are introduced into multiple copies of text, so that they can find the culprit if it leaks.
This original lore sounds like a take on Sitchin's translations of ancient Sumerian texts where the Engineers would take the place of the Annunaki and minus the Deacon. I definitely would have been interested in seeing that.
The story of the fallen angels too, and the deacon is an illusion to the Sumerian story where Kingus blood was used to make life
Add some lovecraft in the mountains if madness
Definitely the anunnaki story the stone tablets of ancient Sumerians were in the movie that’s definitely what I got from it
Definitely the anunnaki story the stone tablets of ancient Sumerians were in the movie that’s definitely what I got from it
Engineers are my favorite character of the whole alien saga! I want a whole engineer trilogy!
How why? They are weak beings, they got wiped out by a android and an ancient ship of there's. Also they are mindless beings the dude just stares at humans and immediately tries to kill them, he's outnumbered and out gunned! He knows how far humans would have to get to stand in front of him and it would be wise to attempt to communicate wirh them and understand things before killing them!
@@brentmichael4770 lol they didnt get wiped out, it was not the engineers home planet where david dropped the pathogen. And also he did communicate with david and tho seeing that humans couldnt communicate with them only their robots can, so he was most likely even more disappointed.
It's been a while. Glad to see your video pop up in my recommendations again!
I feel like it's so much lore that the Engineers deserve their own series. I will not be satisfied until then. Love the video. I hope the next film doesn't end it. It's too much happening and so many unanswered questions.
Ridley Scott makes Blade Runner in 1982. What an amazing run in science fiction he's had!!
Almost 10 years later and still learning new things about this movie. Thank you👍
I really hope we will get a closure to the Alien prequels some day in some form !
It's a shame to leave the story unfinished like this
Agreed. It would be a massive mistake to just walk away from the story. There is so much material they could/should cover to tie things up. Despite the parts where the films fail....I love the story
supposedly the script is in the process...but that's all I know
@ricardo demetrio alonso rojas its because the chinese forced them to change the plot because of the religiousness
They messed it up already in Alien Covenant. Elizabeth Shaw is dead and they killed off the Engineers. Shaw was such a great character. Perhaps the Ripley of the alien prequels.
@@leiapweasecomeback798 That is true Ridley Scott mentioned he was working on a Alien Covenant sequel script over a year ago but aside from Disney confirming to continue the Alien franchise under fox now 20th century studios, we still don't know if Disney will make Ridley Scotts film believed to be called Alien Awakening or go into another direction.
Kroft. Incredible man. Whenever I think I know a lot about this franchise, you shove so much more knowledge into my mind it's wild!
Thank you for deep diving into this new lore in your videos. Prometheus is a masterpiece and a wonderful setup. Great stuff!
imagine the frustration the writers and director must feel due to all the content they were made to cut, Its left so many loose ends for us! I hope the follow up film rumored to have just gone into production fills them in.
Will there ever be a prometheus sequel? Its been so long and I'm tired of waiting. The engineer storyline is the most interesting thing in the Alien/Predator universe imo.
The true horror of the series is that covalent is the sequel.
Yes romolus….
Why can’t people just be candid about this?
The studio didn’t like the religious connotations and spoiled the movie, then the franchise for good.
religious agendas just ruin those movies
@@ChRis6i perphaps just as much as SJW and Woke agendas ruin movies,
It’s too bad too because in terms of discussion relating to religion I feel like this movie could have been a very good talking point.
the chinese market** we were cool with it but since everyone is money hungry..they wanted the movie to hit china..Chinese market didnt like the religous base plot...the plot was forced to he changed and that's one of the reasons noomi rapace was fired as the star of the movie
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I'd like to see a good movie about the engineers themselves.
Me too!
David Sucks. A rogue android. REALLY~!???
Love this channel, this subject and this movie. I really hope that they continue with the engineers in the future.
Engineeres evolved beyond the need to clap-cheeks. Thus began their own downfall. Cheeks are the way, cheeks are life, cheeks...are death.
This is the way
This is the way
God is the way
@@jasonm5120 Oya, Vod.
@@Emperor_Palpatine_66 runi tat
Where on earth you were all these months. Please post more content.
The Engineers were a concept from the original Alien movie (of course) and were already being described in more detail in the extended Alien universe novels back in the mid 90s, I believe one shows up to save the day in one of the final chapters of the ALIENS - Earth Hive novel.
Sounds a lot like Stargate, the being unable to reproduce like the Asgardians and the wanting to shed their physical bodies like the Ancients.
The alphas would be the ancients, they were also more like humans in their beginnings then the engineers in the lore..
@Stefan Urban all ideas about highly advanced alien life far before stargate was a thing.
It's a lot like the Anunnaki story of the Sumerians with some other 'new age' added in.
This is a multitude of ancient stories/mythology mainly Sumer, Babylon, Arkadia and most probably more. And Stargate is based on a lot of mythology many so called Stargates around the planet. And a little halo
Who knows maybe a species or something like them do really exist. It would explain the repetition of them showing up in various ancient and modern mythologies. We can never know for sure, but I have seen a thing or two that makes me question the reality we are presented in some ways. It's best not to dwell with such little evidence to go on, but it's also best to keep at least an open mind to the possibility. You need good evidence to rule these things out also.
Well, in my opinion, if you need an extra documantery to explain what happens in your movie, you haven't done your job well enough in that movie.
I think everyone overlooked this detail. The engineer at the begining of Prometheus had a very human like body, but the one they encounter later in the film looks quite different and it's unclear if he's wearing a suit or if that is some kind of deacon/engineer hybrid.
Wearing suit, they also have a protective suit that looks like elephant.
The suit is biomechanik
Yessss I've been waiting for you to upload on this topic
So interesting I just wish we could’ve seen it all
on the big screen
This info is 1000x more interesting and compelling than what we actually got from the series. What a shame
All in all, I liked Prometheus. But I had issues with parts of it throughout the movie. What was revealed here, would have fixed those parts. Good going!
I hope a third movie is coming to finally end the story of Prometheus and Covenant, and THEN they could contine or reboot the Alien franchise.
It's been so many years since i've watched this movie and i wanted wanted to understand it finally this makes sense...such a relief...
This was a really great summary! Absolutely fascinating!
So many of those scenes were literal takes on ancient drawings, such as the Mayan spaceman drawing/carving. Much of the lore can be found in Native-American culture, which all refer to a race of giants which lived here, including Gitche Manitou, Kitchikewana, Glooscap, Nanabojo, Metacomet, and many many more. In fact, all cultures have a piece of the puzzle, or a window into this common past.
Yay a new Kroft video! Remember to have playback speed set to 1.25x lol
As someone else said, "ever notice how all the instruments looking for intelligent live are pointing away from Earth?" A brilliant, thought-provoking film.
Jon Spaihts script was pretty much a straight forward Alien prequel with not much excitement in the script so Lindelof came up with the whole engineers story which Ridley really liked and continued forwards. The documentary is called The Furious Gods: Making of Prometheus and its in the 4 disc collectors blu ray release, an amazing doc for any Alien fan, thanks for the video Kroft, its been awfully quite since the Disney merger, at least this is some good content for us Alien fans, hoping to get some news on the “upcoming” movie/serie or at least some news about the “upcoming” Aliens game in the near future
Engineer lands on Earth, prepared to share their scientific lexicon.....
_They look over and see someone eating bat soup_
~Packs up, travels back to Engineer Land.
they look over and see orange turd, con-man grifter in oval office and leave.
Lmao
@@janedoe327 one more bat shit dog pee soup lover blaming others
@@janedoe327 LOO LL
@@janedoe327 nah they see how imature libtard dems are and die laughing.
Thank you Kraft. Very fascinating breakdown of what could have happened.
Being a casual Alien fan, my subscribing to your channel has made me a true believer. Especially with the Ancient Astronauts overtones! Thank you for all your efforts!
As always, great video! Edit: glad you're back.
What the fuck are you talking about? He didn’t answer the fucking question as to where the Engineers came from! He’s a lying sack of shit
Kroft please do not change your voice, be yourself man. We, your fans, appreciate you the way you are, you voice is great.
I’m really sick and waiting for my coronavirus test results in a few hours. I’m SO glad there’s a new Kroft video for me to watch right now.
Get well soon buddy. The engineers got your back.
Are you still there Brian?
!🤔?do they get WiFi access while in "quarantine"?
Curious Fiend uh most quarantine is at home, or in a hospital. which both have wifi. so yes.
U be ok unless u r 100 and going to die anyway in 2 weeks ...no one else is affected
Stefan Urban I survived. Just returned to work
The thing that bugged me a lot is how the engineer they found was so mindless and resulted to violence so fast! could have easily tricked them into a room and locked them away with the black goo etc. For such an advanced race, the engineer made some very dumb quick choices to deal with the situation
Stasis gives Engineers a wicked hangover.
@Deez Nuts If they are quick to violence why didn't they wipe each other out? Reason undermines violence. It's implausible that a species could advance intellectually while abandoning reason so quickly and compulsively.
@Deez Nuts That's a different proposition. The trait they would have to possess to determine when violence is necessary and when it is unavoidable is reason. In order to not go extinct they wold have to operate with reason and not with involuntary reactions. They have to cooperate far more than not. What you were defending was the proposition that being quick to violence (being a common trait) doesn't mean your species is not advanced and not what you state in your second post: a race that reasons and considers the alternatives might see the need to act violently. Being quick to violence is an involuntary reaction not a considered response.
I agree, but also consider that particular Engineer was just a grunt soldier/pilot. I don't think they were all super enlightened scientists necessarily. Also consider since he knew Humans had shown up there for some reason, he could surmise things had gone very wrong and probably overreacted to them, since humans were probably like vermin to them anyway
Can't Get Right I always thought that he was angered by seeing that humans created David, the perfect life form. Even more perfect than the engineer himself. He wanted to destroy them all.
I don’t believe that the engineers were trying to understand why humans are so violent, because clearly the engineers themselves behave very violently. The first film Prometheus, towards the end when the older Peter Weyland had David to wake up the last remaining engineer so that he could ask him questions, the engineer ended up killing all of them, and that’s pretty violent to me. That same engineer ended up coming after Elizabeth Shaw by following her to the ship, and when he found her, he was very violent.
I thought David was able to read and operate Engineer stuff because it's in Sumerian Cueniform. This is a "nod" to Zachariah Sitchen who declared that our immortal creators (the Annunaki) were aliens who created us using their own DNA.
David is shown early in the film learning a variety of ancient languages, hence his grasp of Engineer-speak.
The idea of the Engineers transcending physical form was done to death by 2001 and Star Trek The Motion Picture so it was too derivative.
Martin Harris how is it derivative?
Martin Harris 2 movies 50 years ago, is “ done to death” ? .....ok
Sitchen isn't the originator of the man being from aliens concept. The Babylonian Enuma Elisha states humans were created when the gods sacrificed one of their sub god slave race called the Igigi and used the blood/DNA to create humans to do the Igigi work since the Igigi were complaining about the tedious labor and were rebelling against Enlil. The bible picks up on this theme centuries later in Genesis ch 2 where the biblical god created Adam to be a slave in some garden to "til the soil". Sitchen just gave some far out interpretations
my favorite 1.5 speed narrator
I read in dark horse comics that the engineers were a slave race created/ served the space jockeys race.The engineers rebelled . I remember that the jockeys race had all the technology and the engineers took/stole the technology for themselves. Thanks again for your show.
Thanks Kroft!
Been waiting for this one.
this would have been an amazing movie if they showed the engineers more.
Wow! That explains so much and makes more sense! Thank you now I can rewatch it when knowing what exactly happen and enjoy it a little better
I love the Engineers, there is so much more they could have or still could do with them. I would love a franchise just based on them.
Fun fact: The Engineers worships Ridley Scott, their God!
Can you make anyone worthy to be called a god or creator just by texting or you are just a non believer.
@@intuativefiha5771 it’s a work of fiction and in work of fiction the author/writer/producer/director is the maker and in that sense they are essentially “god” for the characters he/she created...or you didn’t get the joke.
😂😂😂
And their ships are actually hair loss treatment centers lol
@@tjuk8050 well tbh, hairs are one of those useless things in human body that serves no purpose. As it's documented everywhere that as human beings evolves, they will lose all hairs. And since engineers are very evolved race, it's not a shocker that they are hairless.
You almost have ALL OF IT! Finally! Ive found this info on other channels!!
This video is awesome
I really want more movies like Prometheus!
Love your calm voice and content 🤗
Thanks
Also this
Love his voice and method of speech
You took the works right from my mouth, his voice is very calming, I've watched his videos over and over, it's been awhile since we had a alien video so it felt like something was missing in my life, can't get enough
@@kroft_movies Where are you from? Your accent is cool but I can't really place where in the world it's from. I'm glad you're still putting out these videos. Thanks for all the hard work!
This inside information is fascinating...I'd like to see more of variations of a sequel of prometheus
I think engineer Race want become like Q Race in star trek , who migration to High dimension and become Omnipotence being
The highest dimension is the God head. The source.
Vito Aditya see my post, “Elizabeth Shaw” was a giveaway
Does anybody else find it fascinating and creepy that even the Engineers - a grand, advanced race - still seek a higher state of being? Essentially their entire race dying in order to transcend to an unfathomable existence.
I mean, just imagine that:
You meet your creator, who gifts your race knowledge that will change you forever. Your creator wishes to enlighten you and for your race to follow in their steps. Your creators wish for their own end - death of the physical self - so that they can transcend to the next plane, whatever that may be.
It's like a cult and Kool-Aid scenario.
Nightmarish, fascinating. I love it.
Thanks for another great vid, It Kroft. I also love your choice of background music for your videos. It really adds to the atmosphere.
Gak- Man Yes it’s amazing!
So we still don't know where the xenomorph really came from, since the engineers only found one of them.
More importantly; they made a philosophical horror movie and accidentally removed all the philosophy.
I don't know man that conversation between David and Shaw's husband was pretty philosophical. It's almost nihilistic. Imagine we meet our creator face to face and ask him why or what is our purpose and their answer is "meh, I was bored and because I could." Would definitely destroy any facet of destiny or purpose in the human condition if that was the answer.
@@blazinpuffs Sounds like the Bible, to me.
@@Fuzzybeanerizer Well the Bible is the answer for a lot of people. Imagine if God was nihilistic.
@@blazinpuffs his name is Holloway
@@blazinpuffs would it? Seems pretty freeing to me. Choose your own destiny.
There is so much interesting lore behind this franchise. The engineers.
The background music is perfect
I love the introduction of the Engineers. I was hoping to see more of the original Engineers in Covenant. But I find the Engineer subspecies in Covenant interesting considering that it was heavily implied that they worshiped the main Engineers. The Engineer murals, how they all came out to greet David in celebration when he came thinking he was an Engineer in Covenant. Also only having one city on that planet shows that this place was more of a planet of study. Probably like Earth except they are not failed projects like we were. I wish they stuck to the original narrative of learning about the Engineers and what drives them. Hoping to see more of the original Engineers in future movies. Possibly even what creatures impregnated an Engineer to create the first Decan. Was it the original Xenomorph species? I would like to see more Neomorph too.
There's a reason why Ridley was pressured to stop that original story from going into production. He was getting way too close to disseminating via media information about our own existence and origins that would have been too jarring and thought provoking for the amount of people he had influence over. It would have been a beneficial thing, which is a damn shame. That story needs to be told.
Such an interesting story to tell. How did it all become about David in the end? Thank you so much for all the hard work to explain!!
This script reveals much more details. This should have been incorporated. One Engineer is saying that a ship has malfunctioned and landed on close planet i.e LV 426 and it has been infected by face hugger. Directly connecting to events in Alien(1979) plus weyland also mention about signal from near by planet that signal is seen in alien movie. Prometheus is perfectly drafted.👍👍 These scenes should have been incorporated.👍
What's interesting to me about this movie is how close it sounds to what actually may have happened and our origins.
I think that was the point
yes, anunnaki lore explained xd
That's why people didnt like it, cause they didnt get it
The truth hurts, so the movie bombed.
Look up Billy Meier, Plejarens and Sirian Creator Overlords(Mormons book speak about the dog star Sirius ironically...)
There is so much interesting lore behind this franchise. The engineers.
The allure of the engineers is the mystery. I would love a movie about them. But the reality of it would be hard to pull off and maintain the mystique. Not impossible but boy would it be easy to screw up
Completely agree. I'd watch the crap outta that. All I see with Prometheus and Covenant is just how cynical and focus group-addicted science fiction has become, especially in film. I'd love a project that maintained the mindset, "Here's an idea - you won't entirely understand, but feel free to discuss." Seems like a much more elegant attempt at storytelling than having to wrap everything up, from our earth-human perspective no less, despite millions of years of complex intergalactic civilization.
It's probably best not to make a movie about them. Remember The Predator? That's what you get when you try to give a backstory to characters who don't need it. Predator 2 was where they should have stopped revealing things, and should have just made another Predator movie in another time in the past, then no more. Maybe 1 good AvP movie. Then no more.
Film technique and technology used for size differences have been much more remarkable since LOTR, Marvel and others. It would have been great if this type of approach had been utilized with the Engineers in these films from Scott, in a groundbreaking fashion, but that's no reason to not use them now to better fully explain the Engineers.
@@michaelkays9801 did you watch The Predator?
its a catch 22..we would all love to see more about The Engineers but if we did, we would never be satisfied enough...The Mystery as you put it is exactly correct. We have been let down too many times by diving in too deep to get more, just to be let down for most movies and TV shows. i think one more Engineer movie would be good as long as they dont overdo it.
So basically it's an Asgard mixed with the Ancients from SG1.
Good thinking!
this is a 98.9% reproduction of the SG1 tv show, there is no way they thought this was a fresh idea. and SG1 got 94%of their ideas from the 1971 book Chariots of the Gods? And that book spawned 33% of our current space Sci-fi fiction. I like this kind of stuff but I was hoping for something a lil more fresh?? Well I guess they said if it ain't broke don't fix it.
@@roguemike33 Indeed.
@@allofyourdreams well said Teal'c
Where can I see these shows?
isn't i obvious David behaves like an engineer already? His lifespan is enormous, "he" cannot procreate biologically and seems to be pretty obessed impregnating the girlfriend. my impression is, you have the assumption the engineers were "flawless". I don't think so, their creations are pretty ambivalent, which exposes *their* inherent flaws
Nobody's perfect.
What if the creation was not meant to be flawless in the first place? For instance one cannot judge the designer for a design without knowing the intent behind the design.
Then I didn't get why if the planet was just a testing facility would the engineers give that location to the ancient humans, that the main characters would use to go to that planet in the first place
Producers and filmmakers no longer care about continuity, good script, plot holes filling or answering questions. They care about money. So they are making films without making sense. Anyway Pronetheus is better than Covenant
It was hinted that the planet was being terraformed but stopped not being completed
Ok now the entire movie of Promethius makes sense. I knew it was holes In the story that didn't make sense entirely. Thanks!