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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 มิ.ย. 2019
- This is it! The comparison no one to date has done in this detail. This is Part 1 of 3 parts comparing Ktuner V2 to Hondata Flash Pro. No more speculation now you can see everything side by side. Hardware for hardware, Software for software, Base tunes for base tunes and dyno results to boot! Too much info gathered for one video so Subscribe now and hit the bell icon to get notified on the next follow up video!
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Thanks for putting in the hard work on comparisons between the 2. Both are great choices. I think it comes down to preference.
Christian Troy a lot of it is personal preference or even individual needs. It will all unfold through the next 2 videos. The choice may seem crystal clear by then 😁
great video man super helpful was so glad someone took the time to compare them directly - mind is made up now!
Thanks for the informative video. Always nice to have guys like you in the CTR community who we can all learn from.
Ian Williams thank you! The way I see it, we are all in this together. Thank you for the support!
Thanks for putting this together!
Been searching all over for this comparison. Want to get a little more fun out of my little R18 but was having trouble deciding between the two.
Been looking for a comparison between the two, im glad someone did it and make a quick summary of it. Great work.
KJ Wong thank you. I'm no different than the rest of you trying to find information. I managed to find a couple of videos talking about the two tuners and maybe the person talking has one of them but nowhere could I find both modules in one video. Everything I do on my channel is as much for my education as it is for my Viewers. Happy to share with all of you.
Thank you for making this. A real source I can trust!
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Michael, nice video as always. I really like the side by side comparison of these two tuning systems. I've yet to take the plunge with mods for my Type R (it's a 2018 MY I've owned it since Dec. '17). Shout-out to the guys at Hybridworks. I've had my Type R dynoed there before and their results seem consistent. Be aware that heat soak can sometimes cause later runs to read lower HP results than earlier ones (at least that's been my experience).
Angelo Gouvis definitely some quality guys at Hybridworks. I'll be addressing the lack of hp gain in part 2. STAY tuned!
Nice video. Just got a 93 tune hondata done by dealer. Traction control enabled. I am still getting used to using the flash pro, but I did connect it to the car to see what was flashed. My only mod is the PRL hi flow intake. Intercooler is planned but not much else beyond that.
Vasek Cekan great choice! Jealous you get 93 octane. In California all we get crappy 91
Yes! this is something i've been waiting for since i got my CTR. literally made the first payment like a week or so ago. I notice the last shop you went to was in Fremont and this one was in Vallejo. I assume that means you are in the bay area as well? I'm pretty newb and this is literally my first performance car and could use some guidance. looking forward to the rest of the videos been looking for this comparison since i got the car.
MiscRJX lots of other mod videos on my channel that should be helpful. Grats on your new car!
Another awesome video!! It’s cool to see all the things each tuner does!! I bought a 2019 civic Type R two months ago!! I have owned several Civic Si’s !! I traded a 2017 Si when I go the Type R!! I have had fun with it but only have put a few hundred miles on it so I am waiting to get through the break in period!!! I am going to keep the Type r for longer than I kept my Si’s!! I am going to just keep it completely stock!! But I do love seein what benefits people are getting with various tunes and modifications!! Keep up the incredible work Michael!! I love the channel!! Have a great week and God bless!!
Shaun Christensen always great hearing from you. Thanks for the continued support
You’re welcome Michael!! It’s always good talking to ya!! God bless ya!!
Thank you for the review. We know it takes time to create videos, so when you get a chance download our latest update we released June 12th. There are new Type R software features. Look forward to seeing part 2 & 3.
Hondata saw them just the other day as I was uploading this video. I like the notes. Let's see what it does. 😀
Hondata has so great options for my FN2 european typeR. KTuner was dropped out - because no features like variable launch control, full throttle shift, etc... no development and support for older cars :-( I love Hondata the programming is so simple, it has also support for gear ratio setup etc... Please hondata make more option updates in the future. Great job greetings from germany!
Why is the PRL intake not listed as a option for Hondata?
Hey max just want to know what did you put in your vent the red thing?
@@GridZilla Isn't Cali stopping companies from sending tunes there if you live in that state?
Thanks for another nice vid Michael. I made the decision to go with the AFE Scorcher GT Module, as I didn't want to mod my ECU. It doesn't offer the tun-ability and hp/torque gains of either Hondata, or Ktuner, but it does deliver a nice kick in the pants!
KG_ONE R still having fun with your car and that's all that matters!
KG_ONE R still having fun with your car and that's all that matters!
Were those......velociraptors ???!!! in the background there ?????? JK. Duuuuude, thank you for this vid! It gets really confusing trying to figure out evvvvverything one does vs. evvvverything the other does, and which is better. Great idea making this vid !
Jason Davis 😂 those little bastards can get mean sometimes. Thanks for watching!
I went with jb4 module. I had it on golf R and it worked well. I know flash tunes are better but I dont want to risk losing warranty and in Australia hondata and ECU unlock is expensive.
not yet. it could be your octane. what is it and what map are u using?
have you tried cataloging and posting on n54tech forum. terry can have a look at the logs.
The problem I had with the Hondata base 'tunes' (on an FA5) was they were way way to aggressive. I didn't mind too much as I knew I was going to be tuning the car but it was surprising to see the amount of knock after 1 run. I think I ran their stock 'tuned' map for like 10 mins before I switched back to stock and tuned from there.
I'm pretty sure that the factory high pressure fuel pump can't keep up with the demand that E85 puts on the fuel system. Probably why it made power down low but non up top.
Awesome video and great information!
Ben Cork very astute observations and very relavent. Part 2 will cover more of your comment. Thanks for watching!
Ben Cork
Definitely the stock fuel pump is a limitation on this car, but the limitation is fuel flow per cycle so it’s actually more a limitation at lower RPMs where you encounter peak boost.
The boost pressure drops at higher RPMs where peak power is generated. So even though the total fuel flow is higher, the flow per cycle is less.
For instance on my 93octane tune my fuel pump is at around 93% at peak torque, and 77% at peak power.
Ross Hines there are some other issues I ran into other than fuel pump limitations but everything is looking better. I'm going to try to get part 2 done soon.
Michael Baxi Media
Looking forward to part 2.
Hondata now also allows the type r to startup the car in r mode
Jonathan Henville yeah I saw that on the latest update. Though I still prefer S mode on startup
Being curious, why doesn't CA offer octane 93? Every station go to on the east coast has 87, 91 and 93 octane.
Nice video again!
jim payne wish I had a good answer for you. All I know is it's always been that way. I'm sure there are emissions reasons behind it with all the additives that have to be in our fuel here.
And in south Africa our regular fuel is 93 and our premium is 95.
Why not use the Hondata 91 octane with general downpipe, general intercooler map?
It’s right there on the list as i can see.
Also I’m not sure if the Prl downpipe map means catless or catted
Love Like a Hurricane that was the very first map I used in this video. 3 dyno runs. 1 with the 91 octane Ktuner stage 1, next with Hondata 91 Mapa D last with Hondata Flex fuel map
Okay, Michael, I'm new to your channel my name is Russo and I just got the 2021 Blue Honda Type R so I'm new to all this stuff!!! I have some questions for you about using the Ktuner v2 can I just buy the Ktuner v2 and go to work right away in my car with it or do I have to do something else to jailbreak the ECU before I can actually use it? If anybody can help me and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated !!!
No matter which tuner you go with you’ll have to jailbreak the ecu
Quick question, since hondata is a plug and play when it’s time to take it off, do you just remove it and it’s going back to stock. It’s for California carb purpose. I know my question is a bit crazy. I’m still learning the hondata.
Dayang Demar Hondata now has a Carb legal tune so you can run that tune without having to revert back to stock but worse case scenario you just reload the stock tune back in and you are good to go
Michael Baxi Media thank you for that clarification and information!!! I will save up to get a hondata!!
I'm curious of what the boost was at that got those awesome power numbers. Anyone know?
joshua land Boost isn’t what gets you the power on Ethanol. In fact the boost gets turned down a bit in favor of more timing.
Can you pull up the 06-09 S2000 base calibrations? Science of speed has base calibrations for their supercharger and turbo kits and I would like those if they are available when you buy a ktuner. Obviously you need a ktuner before you can even look at their base calibrations
s2k442 no idea. I have a Civic Type R. The modules are specific to my vehicle. Don’t recall what’s on the Ktuner as I no longer have it.
Won’t be able to pull up the basemaps until the flash tuner is locked to that vehicle
What does it take to Backfire? Can you load a tune to do so? Or what other work does one need for a stock car?
EXHAUST, DOWNPIPE, TUNE
KTuner definitely makes a little more power, but Hondata's graphs were a lot smoother.
It's all about the power.
Can I get some input and advice on turning a 2020 civic hatchback with the CVT? Can't seem to find a good source for information on tuning the CVT stuff. Your videos seems great, just not for my current car. Thanks.
Curtis Bull what advice are you looking for? Both the Ktuner and Hondata would suite you fine
@@GridZilla
Was wondering if I can tune to about 200 205 hp and still have good luck with the CVT?
Also I don't have a laptop computer, need to be able to tune the device, unplug from desktop computer, then take out to car for the download, is the Ktuner the only option without a laptop?
Thanks!
Curtis Bull yes Ktuner is your only option without a laptop. 200whp should be doable with the appropriate bolt ons
@@GridZilla so you feel that that would only be achievable with bolt ons? I figured I could do close to that with just a tune, do you know what the internal differences are in the 1.5 for the Accord and the Civic SI they're both making around the 200 horsepower Mark I believe?
Curtis Bull no idea
hello Michael, about the HP with the flex-fuel map, i think the ethanol fuel will not give you more horse power and torque if you dont tune the ignition. when you use standard gas your ignition is tuned to don’t risk « auto ignition ». the ethanol don’t give you power but it will push the boundaries of auto-ignition and thanks to that, you can now tune ignition to win more HP, securely.
are you ok with my opinion ? (Ethanol = push auto-ignition limit=more ignition advance= more HP and TQ safely)
(Sorry for the speech i’am not English speaking^^)
Anthony Sola the flex fuel tune with the Hondata is supposed to address all the issues you mentioned but it did not. More details to come but you are on the right track
😉. i’ll see in the next vidéo. thank you for the job on your channel. and long live and prosper to you and your family🖖🏻
💪🏻🔥🇯🇵hondata🇯🇵🔥💪🏻
Why is the PRL intake not listed as a option for Hondata?
aaron3378 the PRL high volume intake wasn’t available yet when this was filmed
Awesome work thank you for sharing. Please remove the music from the background it becomes annoying when you try to focus on what you saying.
I’d like to see part 2. Hondata is too specific on mods. One intake to the next will not make a difference cause all except hks use the same size diameter. Injen short ram does worse cause heat soak. Intercooler will have some effect but really it should lower boost numbers cause cold air is more capable of hitting power. I’m wondering with flex fuel did you even change the fuel?? Hope to find out part 2.
I want to know if other than traction control can Hondata do more than ktuner?
I’m a tuner. I’m used to architecture like Cobb with everything adjustable not limited like this.
Part 2 will clarify some things for you but agree on the too specific part. It can get too complicated for the average user. Still handy for those that like to tinker
I always read for RSX 02/04 Hondata. 05/06 KTuner. This still true? Also can they be used with a nice Dell Tablet that runs Windows?
Not sure. I works call Hondata to find out
Hondata Flashpro can hold 2 maps which you can upload to your jail broken Bosch ecu with or without a laptop. Hondata can change it to hold more maps in the future updates. Hondata is definitely focused on the Type R platform and since I’ve owned my race version Hondata Flashpro, I’ve updated multiple times and they’re continuously coming out with more updates. 30% Ethanol calibration, Traction control, Flex Fuel, fuel pump control, etc. Hondata has been tuning Hondas fir decades. Hondata ftw! Fyi I personally would never tune my own vehicles and will use Hondata’s ots map all done by Daniel @ Church automotive who I have personally known has extensive tuning experience with many Honda Race teams. Hondata and Daniel have a close relationship with Hondata’s research and development.
Hondata is the best imo
what happens if i flash the ecu but dont used the recommended 91/93 octane?
What fuel do you plan on using?
@@GridZilla "regular" gas at the pump...guess it would be 87 or 89.
PoonDestruction I wouldn't recommend using less than 91 octane whether you time your ecu or not. You are begging for trouble.
Is there a tune for a honda civic sport tourining 2020
Think so yeah
Hondata Flaspro is compatible with Acura TL Type S?
Not sure if they make a Flashpro for the TL
Can I buy your k tuner at a discount, since you no longer using it? I'm not able to afford the retail price
Frederick Santana that’s been long gone! 😁
Ugh! Thanks for letting me know though lol. I'm saving for it
Frederick Santana 👍🏽 Stay strong brotha. It’s a nice upgrade
@@GridZilla Thank you! 😊 I just love the LCD display. The Hondata is awesome too
Are there any ktuner shops in nor cal?
DWEEZ916 M if by Ktuner shops you mean shops that tune using Ktuner I don't know that there's a better place than Hybridworks in Vallejo. If you are just trying to buy the module you can purchase at a number of places online
Michael Baxi Media ok yea I already have ktuner but I’m rocking a basic tune. The tuner in Vallejo uses hondata. I’ve contacted them before and I was just wondering before I switched to hondata just because it’s easier to get to.
DWEEZ916 M Anthony at Hybridworks can tune in ktuner as well. He just prefers Hondata
Michael Baxi Media thanks for the info
Let's talk turkey.
Ktuner is safer and makes more power
Both base maps had some misfiring Ktuner doesn’t make any more power than Hondata and Vice Vera but the range of customization beyond the base Maia is superior with the Flashpro
am i the only one wondering about the turkeys running around?
lol
Turkeys in the yard!!!
kongology oh yeah there's a flock of them.
What’s ur Instagram ???
Eastcoastfk8s @grid_zilla
Make a summary in the description or at the intro, I don't have time for a 25min video
Matthew Schrader hard to summarize in a decently short paragraph how to navigate through each tuner
Matthew Schrader Pussy, suck it up. If you want to know the details you’ll watch the video
In the future, will you please, Please, PLEASE, not play lame music in the background during the entire portion where you are talking? It doesn't make your videos better, more professional, or more interesting. It makes them cheesy and difficult to watch. I found it so distracting and annoying I about could not watch the entire thing, and missed a lot of what you said.
No Name thank you for your feedback
I didnt have any issues with it, actually alot of other youtubers do the same. Michael just be you, it's your channel and your car.
Dear you yourself are too slow, like just 35hp car, tune up please, speed up man
irfanamughal thanks for the feedback