I just bought a 16 inch MacBook Pro. The only reason I opted for Macbook over XPS was the battery. Otherwise, I'd still be a Windows user. Yeah, this is my first MacBook and I like it.
@MBAPresents could you share what else you like or love in Mac besides battery. Also if you could list those which you aren't liking are difficult to adapt would be great
First time macbook user here as well. Only reason why I got my m2 max was because my boss gifted me one. At first I really don't like it. But learned to love it now 😂 I'm not even sure if I'm willing to go back on windows. 1. Only complaints about Mac are most premium apps are subscription based. 2. Keyboard is painted and not injection moulded. 3. Expensive 😅 I'll probably get a macbook air once this m2 max gives up on me. Although I really wish there's a macbook air version with fans that's not gonna put a hole on my wallet.
@@helbertgasconthey release the old macbook pro 13.3 with fans and even bigger battery than the air with the regular m1/m2 chips too atm. These provide even better battery life since its bigger but comes at the drawback of a older screen, 720p webcam, no MagSafe charging
@@ATechGuy-mp6hn I just recieved my m2 max like 2 months ago. I don't think I'll be upgrading anytime soon. But hopefully cheaper alternatives with fan will still be available that time. I'm a software developer so screen & webcam doesn't really mean much to me. 🙂
Love the Comparison. Though I am a HUGE Mac fan, Im glad Dell is catching up. I still have an old Dell laptop that runs (though not well). My one issue with your tests - no dont this personally boys - is that you often leave the windows machines plugged in. These are laptops. The whole purpose is for them to be portable and NOT be plugged in. So I wouldn't even give the stats for Windows machines plugged in because it's somewhat misleading. Anyway.... You guys always do a great job and I love your channel!! Keep it up boys!
Most other reviewers would show plugged in results for windows as well. Maxtech used to do more unplugged test but it’s too heavily favored towards the arm chip. But this gen of intel and Nvidia is surprisingly good unplugged in shorter burst. Kudos. Definitely unplugged the m2 pro is still more desirable. More battery and will put up a good fight or could even beat 13th gen intel and nvidia 4070. Did not mention power limits for the 4070 but I reckon should be lower spectrum, could be 80w. Good thing about maxtech is they do the test on the spot, unlike most reviews with slightly older data sets.
He should test with both. I use my laptop with a dock exclusively and I have one at home and at the office. It’s less about portability in the field and more that i can’t plug in storage devices into our network. (So the laptop just goes with me) Everyone’s use case is different. Some people will always have the laptop plugged in
As an I.T. professional working with an MSP, I still have to use an amd64 based laptop for work in the field. Apple Silicon is amazing but it falls flat on it's face for field related I.T. issues. Dell XPS' and Latitudes are what I have been using for years.
Great videos. Only one thing that bothering me is that when you comparing web cameras and mic sound, the windows laptops always are 2 times louder, so it looks like loudness comparison not quality. Suggest to adjust both volumes to the same levels so it would be more precise. Thanks!
Sadly, even then it would not be a fair representative of sound because of TH-cam compression. The sound test is not viable through the Internet. Only if you sit in the room and listen to the two computers with your own ears.
About Blender... all test I see are about rendering.. but you do rendering only once in a while... another useful comparison and test I never see is a measure of how easily ad smoothly you can load , move and modify complex and heavy scenes or models...
@@goobfilmcast4239 honestly speaking how many people do you know who do video editing while far from a power supply I feel the better point you can raise is that the mac has better bettery life and if its performance both machines weather plug to power or not are still capable and if you want it off power then check the previous video am sure he did that.
Here were tested only short tasks. If there will be test for exporting 20-40 mins video, the DELL will go down quite fast because it starts thorttling very fast.
@@asdbef3667x86 machines are dead, the future is arm based. Every x86 laptop needs to be plugged in, has awfull battery life and needs monster fans to keep it cool.
Get a gaming machine like PS5 or xbox. It will be much better than some laptop. Choosing a laptop just because of gaming performance is stupidity especially if you consider the battery life you will be forgoing with getting gaming laptops.@@asdbef3667
I don't care to game on a laptop. The experience tends to suck to me and lumping that much money into "a gaming" laptop that is gonna drain the crap out of your battery, weigh crap ton, and need to be plugged into the wall constantly anyway would make me just go to PC to begin with or at minimum a console.
IMO you should've also compared the build of the laptops. The MBP should be recognized of its outstanding build quality, hinge and design. But great comparision
They are about even. The xps has better keyboard, screen, and lighter in weight. The mac has better mouse pad, and calibration of display out of box. Both have a premium feeling build quality. Windows 11 better for many power users working with many files. Both have their os quirks, just different. Huge one for Mac is that it does not have the infamous issue with windows where if you first close lid, then unplug, sometimes will drain your battery. Windows nicer for 4k displays, but ever so slightly. The biggest difference is battery life. Xps only gets 2 or 3 hours real world on battery running visual studio with large projects, and for photo editing. In a year or two intel will catch up in this dept, but in the interim this is the deal breaker if you work unplugged.
Hey, what if you compare the XPS 16" with the Macbook Pro 16". Probably an on-point comparison video, cause then i believe both laptops will be at par and true comparison. I am using the XPS 15" 2019 model right now, and looking forward to upgrade to a new system soon. So just contemplating between the XPS 16' and the Macbook Pro 16", especially when it comes to which brand offers a better display and covers the maximum color gamut. would be really helpful. thanks in advance.
As a musician who mixes music: The Xps just applied a specific EQ curve to the output. Exaggerated the 2K-3K range. That’s what the human ear focuses on for loudness. As a result that piece of music you were playing is not sounding as the artist intended to. They would be shocked how exaggerated the high mids are. The true representation of that music was how it sounded on the MacBook. The XPS cannot deliver bass well. They either cut it out to get more loudness and on top of it they exaggerated the high mids. It’s just an EQ curve and you think it’s louder. The camera is better of course on the Macbook. Apple Silicon made the windows world to get to work and they have caught up in many areas as performance but the battery life suffers. If not for Apple Silicon they would’ve needed 10 years to get here with the drip performance advancements every year.
You really need to volume match the webcam clips. The xps webcam clip is even louder than your studio audio. The human brain loves loudness, so it’s impossible to compare audio quality without matching the volume properly.
Got my XPS 15 last week and I'm loving it so far! Nothing against Macbooks... I'm just used to Windows (both for work and personal). As for the video, they both seem like pretty solid choices.
that's the only correct answer, it's what you're used to. A friend of mine loves windows and I love apple, he specs his desktops out and builds them, so that he can game and edit videos. I personally have always used my Mac for music and video editing. I'm more familiar with apple.
Hi Max, Tom from El Salvador here. You should add a new benchmark to your comparisons: Topaz Video Ai. Upscaling a SD video to 8K. This is a test that eats a lot of GPU power...
The biggest issue I have with newer macbooks is you can’t replace the ram or the hard drive. Once the SSD hard drive is worn out, you have to replace the entire MacBook Pro motherboard, or replace the mac. That is the only reason I decided to pass on buying a MacBook Pro. With the newer Dell XPS notebooks I’ve seen the insides of, the hard drive and the ram was replaceable/upgradable. All SSD hard drives wear out after enough writes to the same memory locations, and because of that, they should be user replaceable.
@@chrisdavidson911 do you think it's normal that in 2024 apple uses 8gb of ram that swaps like crazy onto 256 gb SSD ? SSD that is soldered in (!) Near voltage lines that will finish it in a nanosecond (!)
If u have a lot of tasks battery life matters the most. Xps needs to be plugged it’s a huge setback also 2 hours of battery life when doing the tasks it’s meant for means you’d barely get any battery backup
Especially when you consider the size of the power brick you need to lug around with the XPS. When I leave home, I only need to take the MBP as it lasts all day.
Nice review as always. I think it'd be interesting to try some longer tests....the Davinci export for example was over too quickly to see the thermal limitations of each device. I'd hazard a guess that the XPS would have throttled hard and the win to the MacBook would be much more pronounced. All the tests that you performed were quite bursty in nature, which I guess is how most people use their machines, but a number of people also use them for more sustained workloads - especially in this "pro" segment.
My 16" MacBook Pro with the M2 Max 32GB memory with 38 core GPU renders the Tug Boat in Blender 3.6 Cycles in ~57 seconds. This is with GPU only and no Metal RT. How am I getting more than twice as fast the render performance of a 16" MacBook Pro M2 Pro with 19 GPU cores? What's your render test settings?
Isn’t there a mix-up with the graphs when you’re showing Dell with or without being plugged in?
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NVIDIA has a huge installed base. No matter how many Macbooks Apple sells, it will never match NVIDIA in volume. So if you are a game or AI developer, it makes more sense to optimize for NVIDIA. But for Adobe and video editing tools, the Mac user base is more prominent. I don't think the scenario will change.
Apple competes with Dell and HP, not really with Nvidia. You can't go into the store and buy an Nvidia laptop. It makes high-end components that go into a few laptops. So Nvidia is making a profit on one component while Apple makes the entire profit from selling the device. As a result here is reality in terms of revenue. Nvidia had 27 billion in revenue in 2022. Apple had 394 billion in revenue. In terms of profits Apple had 99 billion and Nvidia had 10 billion. Apple as you can see is massively larger and more profitable. Nvidia is a great company but currently a boutique compared to Apple. The reason Nvidia stock price has grown recently has to do with using their GPUs to run server applications for AI, which is not a market in which Apple competes.
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@@bruxi78230 I agree with everything you said. But the graphics benchmark measures the 4070 performance, which is better for games and AI related workloads than Apple for reasons I mentioned above. Dell and HP do not make GPUs. Apple and NVIDIA may not compete regarding complete products, but they do compete in GPU technology performance. So if you are planning to buy a laptop and have to choose between an Macbook and a XPS, which is the motif of the video, you should consider your workload. There is no silver bullet, one option that is better is every context.
No, ray tracing is undoubtedly the future. Right now it seems a little like 5G, but the world is moving over bc it’s becoming more and more useful (even flat out necessary at times - Blender rendering!) M3 chips as well as A17 in upcoming iPhones should be getting hardware ray tracing. We should see some of these by the end of this year.
I have been running Dell XPS laptops since the mid-2000s. Hands down for the money you cannot beat them. The fact you get a dedicated graphics card is huge for me. Better high end specs for less money makes since the 2000s the win in my book. They last forever too. My 2008 XPS lasted until 2016. That 2016 XPS lasted until 2024, and I just bought the new XPS last week.
It comes.down to ecosystem. What do you prefer. They are almost the same on so many levels except battery life. Point is buy what you like, support who you want, its all more or less the same. Can the dell be upgraded or repaired in home if needed? Thats a huge difference too. Macbook has beyter cam but also other windows laptops to pick from. Id like to see it against some new amd processors.
just for upgradability I´d choose the XPS everyday, XPS has 2 slots for SSDs and for RAM so you can make it 128gb ram evenever you want and upgrade to 2 SSDs for a fair price, not that ridiculous mactax for SSDs and RAM, and the most important, SSDs wear out! sometimes fast, if that happens fixing your XPS would be a matter of minutes and less that $50, while the mac would requiere a new MB
Just an idea I have been thinking about when comparing Mac laptops with Windows laptops - price / investment. These two might be similar in price and Macs are often considered expensive, but in lets say 5 years, what is the Dell worth and what is the Mac worth? This might not be relevant up front, but from my experience it would count towards the next computer you buy. Macs holds it value in many years, while I expect a Dell does not have the same value. But I could be wrong?
Would love to see a comparison with vivid on. And is there a comparable software for windows? One of the biggest reasons I decided to by a MacBook, was the possibility to improve the brightness along with vivid far over the 500 nits threshold, to be better able to work outside. I'll guess that is not possible with the DELL?
The specs of the XPS showed that it has a 4070, which is the highest GPU spec available for the laptop. Whereas the MBP has the "base" 19 core GPU. I'd be very curious to see how the GPU benchmarks would look with the M2 Pro with the 30 core GPU. That's a $200 USD upgrade, sure, but we're not going to pretend like the Mac was ever competing on pure price as a value proposition. I think the 30-core GPU available for the M2 Pro would be a more apt comparison. Even that is the middle tier config for the Mac, because the M2 Max has a 38-core GPU
Who buys a MacBook for the GPU? The dedicated media engine for accelerate encoding/decoding? sure - but the GPU itself is very mediocre compared to much cheaper Windoes laptop. You primarily buy a MacBook for the software it runs, the build, screen and speakers. The CPU power is "enough" but not amazing, it is exceptionally efficient though. The GPU is actually the weakest point of the modern Mac experience. I wish they'd allow eGPUs.
4070 in xps has power limiter so if you want compare mac with 30 core gpu you shoud take other laptop with 4070. Besides that price comparison in this movie is valid only in US. For example xps 15 with i9 processor in Poland costs 4050 usd with taxes and m3 pro costs 4500 usd with taxes, it you upgrade to 30 core gpu price will increase to more than 5100 usd.
I have a MBP 16" M1 pro with 32 gb RAM and i really love it. Its been the best computer ive ever had. But ive been tempted to buy an XPS for some time now and watching this videos makes me really think about that option. I love the apple ecosystem as i also have an ipad pro M1. But, with the new galaxy tab and this XPS, its really hard for me not to be tempted to change ecosystems.
No no. I also have Windows + Samsung tab and it is not as good as MacBook + iPad. I have both ecosystems, one for work and personal. But gunna jump to full Apple. It's just easier.
long time windows user and currently using 14 m1 pro and ill never miss battery life on windows. That dell dies twice as fast as macbook, very terrible. windows laptops always play catch up but fail at battery department.
Bare in mind the windows laptop won't perform as well on battery life. Can cut the stats in half sometimes because windows reduces power to all the elements like CPU... So it can be a bit of a false sense of parity
A much more even comparison than the Macbook Air and unsurprisingly both machines are pretty even in most areas. The battery life on the MBP is shockingly good considering its compute power. After the previous video I went and compared the MBA with a 13" Latitude or XPS13 and found them to be roughly on par both performance and price wise. I'm a Mac guy so I would take the machine that natively runs OSX, but in this sector of the market there are some good choices across the board (I have a Latitude for work, which works OK).
Most people who are doing heavy tasks on these machines are going to be in an office or home where they can easily plug in. The only time's I've used my laptop when im out and about was for document processing and file management stuff, so I don't see a big issue with PCs throttling down when unplugged.
agreed, and MacBooks also throttle on battery in some cases. Rosetta emulation is significantly slower on battery in my experience with my M2 Pro. As a developer I use Docker containers every day that are a mix of native arm64 and emulated amd64. On battery, the arm64 images perform roughly the same - but jeez the amd64 containers start chugging on battery. Its x86 Java program images in my case but my theory is since Rosetta is partially hardware, that performance is significantly throttled on battery since its nowhere near as efficient as native.
It will always seem that Intel is catching up but that can be partly explained by throwing higher wattage at the job, and also the 18 month upgrade cycle which means at some points in their respective cycles, the Intels will have a years head start. Also, the M2 was really an M1+, the tock part of the tick-tock cycle, and missed out on the new GPUs which would have included RayTracing. The M3 Pro/Max/Ultras will be the de facto second-gen Apple Silicon M-chip, three years after the M1, which the M2 is based upon, so it could be argued that a 2020 Apple chip still fighting well against the latest and greatest 2023 Intel? The true test will be the 3nm M3s coming soon...
When Apple got M3 Pro/Max, Intel got also faster CPUs and Nvidia/AMD got faster GPUs. Here's my take on it... Apple's chips is mostly about less (electric) power and better battery life. It's not about "better raw performance than Intel+Nvidia". And it's also about control and profit: the SoC architecture means you cannot upgrade RAM and SSD after purchase, which means you have to buy a Mac with a better config that cost more which will make Apple earn more money. The control is that Apple can develop their chips only based on their own Mac roadmap. There's really Intel CPUs that's equal to Apple's chips in raw performance. Intel got 100s of CPUs. Some of them are really really good/fast! For - true average - users it doesn't matter if you got an Intel CPU or Apple M1/M2 std/pro/max/ultra. The reality is that the current Macs got no Intel options, so you have to go for Apple's own chips. And most users it's gonna be a very small difference if you got a Mac with M1, M2 or M3. When talking raw performance. The more pro user you are and the more of a work tool your Mac is, the more benefit with a newer and faster Apple chip. But of course, the M3 family WILL be really great for Mac users that got a Mac that's "too old" now and must be replaced with something newer. I need a new desktop Mac and I will probably go for Mac Studio M2 Max 32/2000. I think I cannot wait for M3 Max. PCs with Intel is not an option here. I don't care if there's some desktop PCs with better raw performance or lower price. I need Mac OS, period :)
@@cjeelde Apple chips have/had better raw power than Intel. apple chips aren't just about lower power. its about better efficiency which is a measure of both power usage and raw performance which Apple handily beats Intel at both. Nvidia is a different story tho, now while i do think apple still beats Nvidia in efficiency it still can't match since Nvidia isn't afraid to throw microwave oven levels of wattage at their GPU. (and to be fair they have gotten pretty efficient as well as can be seen with the 40w RTX 4070). oh also they need ray tracing to truly compete with nvidia
Why does Dell put a shiner reflective screen in this computer? Seems like that would result in a lot of screen glare from the room lighting where the computer is used.
Not quite happy with XPS 9530 no. 3 of. 3 laptop purchases in 4 days. Returned 2. Restocking fee on no. 2. 1. HP Envy 360. Had all the features I wanted. Stunned over wifi disconnect issue. Returned but found out later my home cable modem-router has to be swapped out for new. Now I wish I had kept it. Too late after the next purchases. Sill to change my cable modem, so I can set up the DELL. Laptop 3. 2. Lenovo Ideapad. First saw that SC cards stick 2/3 way out. Returned for this reason and paid restocking. Unacceptable for this reason. 3. DELL XPS 9530. I don't like that SD slot takes in card 2/3 of the way. Many other brands which still have SD, only take in card 1/3 of the way. I can live with this in as is, in the DELL. When was this all changed? NOW I remember the HP still had old clock in click out ' most of the way, type. No touchscreen. The only one of these 3 which did not have touchscreen Does not fold over. The HP did.
how about color accuracy for XPS screen? oled can look very vibrant but colors actually way off. I had 16inch m1 max and several windows laptops, including i9 +4060 but for that mobile computing does Mac wins nearly everything except gaming. Only would go windows with decent RTX cards for AI and machine learning, but you need desktops to do proper job. Tried used ROG + XG mobile 3080 with 16gb vram, similar result to m1 max but mac crushed more often due to limited support to pytorch and xformer. Still for mobile computing nothing beats Macbook pro consider the all rounded ability plus outstanding battery life
saying the MBP wins "there" because its got a specific charging port... i'd say, you'll also have to carry that specific (otherwise useless) charging cable. where as a usb-c cable can be used for multiple things... also you should do non-M chip laptop comparisons with and without power plugged in. because they usually boost less, if they run without charger plugged in
Can someone tell me if not supporting certain Windows software in a native mode makes a difference? Does all the best Windows software now have a Mac native mode version? Or am I going to have to run an emulator or virtual windows? What speed hit am I going to take? The hardware is important but if I can’t run all of my software, or it lags, that’s just as big of a deal! Help please…
What are you trying to do and be specific. Don't just say "run windows" or something vague. We have no clue of your intentions so say what you're trying to accomplish using what?
What I can take away from those comparisons between high end Macs and PCs is that the price tag in ratio to the specs is narrower than ever, of course when it comes to ram and ssd options Apple is far from cheap.
Since Apple is going to focus on gaming, are they going to incorporate retracing on the M3 processor? I remember hearing something about Apple possibly adding retracing on the M3 processor.
Doubtful, raytracing is largely irrelevant until you have enough classical rendering horsepower that fhe performance hit is still playable. Apple simply can't compete with either AMD or Nvidia on GPU performance and raytracing support would just be a gimmick when your GPU can't even hit 1080p 60 on modern games. Even if the M3 somehow quadrupled GPU performance over M2 - they'd still be behind and it'd ruin the MacBook's efficiency. If Apple were serious about gaming they'd build a seperate machine from the Air/Pro line that was thicker and used a lot more power. It wouldn't be very on-brand for them though.
It's more of a matter of price though. Dell XPS with 4070 can be found for around $2.5k MSRP which is the same as the base 16 in M2 Pro Macbook Pro. The M2 Max is just extremely expensive and for those prices you can get a 4080 XPS 17 or even many 4090 laptops.
wrong comparison it should have been the MacBook Pro 16 with the dell precision 5680 with the oled compared to the MacBook 16. That's an honest price to performance comparison
Speakers should not be tested with bass-heavy pop music but with symphonic music, using passages that have widely contrasting loud and soft dynamics. A good speaker should have high dynamic range in soft passages and a lot of transparency in loud passages. A bass-heavy set of speakers often produces a compressed sound in which dynamics and transparency are lost.
Y'all really need to proof all of your graphs before you put them in videos. Almost every single video has some kind of error in at least one of the graphs. At 5:34 your graph makes it look like the MBP loses performance when unplugged. Tighten up Max!
exactly i dont think ive seen a single video without a mistake is the graph . he obviously doesnt care at this point multiple people have pointed it out already . it takes seconds to fix the mistake
I just bought a MacBook last Sunday. As a long-time Windows user, I can say that the MacBook is a little bit better for me. Not only is it the most efficient laptop I have ever had, but it is also one of the most powerful without needing to be plugged in all the time. In fact, I only need to charge this Mac once every 2 days, depending on usage. So yeah, basically, my Windows laptop can never compete with a Mac when it comes to efficiency and battery life. I know that there are some Windows laptops out there with good battery life, but those are mostly Chromebooks and weak-performing laptops. So yeah, when you're looking for a laptop with a good camera, speakers, build quality, and privacy safeguards, Macs are there for you. I don't think I will be going back to Windows anytime soon. I hope Windows recovers soon. I'm also hoping that Intel or AMD will produce something as tough and efficient as M1/M2 chips.
6 hours vs 12 hours is not in the same league. But if I didn’t absolutely HATE fan noise I’d like the machine with ability to play triple A games easily. Now I’d choose the 14 inch MBP. It’s a better overall computer. But still need a purpose built gaming PC at home. Really don’t game on the go any ways.
You would have to give me a Dell for free to use one. I bought a Dell laptop for my gf years ago, and have owned a couple Dell high end monitors and the tech support is SO bad that I felt like I was dealing with online tech scammers (this is to say the least). And all three products needed servicing within months of purchase. Nightmare. On the other hand, bought an iPhone 6s, 2015 iMac, Apple TV years ago and still use them to this day with no issues ever. When I needed to change my phone battery I had Apple do it, and the tech accidentally messed up the camera. So Apple gave me a brand new one, for free, 2 years past warranty, and I didn't even buy from Apple (got it thru my phone provider). Bloody amazing.
Seems like on most comparisons the Dell is plugged in while the MacBook is on battery. Seems like that creates a bias comparison. Clearly the Dell chews up more power in order to compare to the Mac!
In terms of video quality i.e. editing, images and script its one of your best ...i got bit emotional in the end even though i m not obese but i do see people around me suffering from it
What did you guys do to be so impressed with the XPS speakers?! My 16” M1 Pro absolutely obliterates my XPS 9530. Not even in the same stratosphere. This is as true for the battery and webcam as it is for the speakers. Having said that, the RTX 4070, even if at 40W, really does impress. Graphics on the mac are great, too, but for everything BUT (of course) AAA gaming. I went from the 9500 to the 9530 and I'm really happy with how Dell seems to have improved the XPS lineup. Now it desparately needs a refresh.
haveing these two exact laptops which you think has the better display overall? cause im really thinking about the display on a laptop, for consuming content
@@spyrosstyl7378 Hands down the mini-LED of the M1-M3 Pro's/Max's. Don't get me wrong, the FHD+ on the XPS 9530 is really nice for streaming and consuming media content; I've grown fond of the non-glare aspect of its matt display. However, it can't touch the mini-LED in terms of true-to-life picture, colours, etc. Also, if you work with text (i.e., you write a lot), the sharpness of fonts and the like on the Mac are, in a word, incredible.
@@JimKanaris thanks a lot for the info , but i meant more like a comparison with the oled 3.5k dispaly of the dell, cause bviously mac will have a much better screen in comparison with an full HD screen but in comparison with oled 3,5k ?thats my key concern, if its realy veryclose and it depends on how trained its the eye then ill go first time with apple mac
@@spyrosstyl7378 I see! I had an OLED (7590) and an UHD+ (9500) XPS. It made me very nervous when I opted for the FHD+ last May. However, I was pleasantly surprised. I didn’t miss the other displays but I can’t be sure whether that was due to having the mini-LED. Like I said, I was nervous about the FHD. Perhaps Dell’s improved on their OLED and UHD displays? They’re no doubt superior to the FHD in similar but different ways to the mini-LED. I guess it boils down to whether it’s $400-dollars-extra superior or whatever they’re going for now. If I didn’t have the mini-LED, I think I’d go with the OLED/UHD. But, again, the FHD is really, really nice.
@@JimKanaris so in your honest opinion? having seen both uhdplus and macbooks pro display, which is better?overall im tending to go with mac cause speakers play very improstant role when consuming content and as you said their speakers are out of thi world xd
Own M1 Air and waiting more than 2 years to have compatible SW to my needs...seems SW companies are more leaning to a real GPU power as the RTX 40...I dont think M3 will make any different in this area. power efficiency is great but...
I like laptop comparisons! Suggestion: $1700 Dell Alienware X16 (Intel Core i7-13700H and RTX 4060) vs. $3500 Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 (M2 Max with 38-Core GPU)
Next let's see the Dell XPS 17-inch 9730 vs the M2 Macbook Pro 16-inch. - Battery life, refresh rate, and web camera are all in Macbooks favor. - The ability to game, Azure, Power BI, and Nvidia GPU are in Dell XPS' favor.
MBP is - again - just too inflexible - Apple's standard. Got an i7 (old) XPS 17 with 16 Gb RAM and 1 Tb nvme. Added 2 Tb nvme and replaced 16 with 64 Gb RAM while still keeping the price lower then MBP's base model. The i7 is cool and quiet, best performer/watt with little to no throttling. The TOUCHSCREEN is impressive and I have a workflow around it that eliminates the need of a separate wacom tablet or mouse. I can use it anywhere and is compatible with projectors, Poly, Yealink systems, etc. @Max Tech - I wish to see Lightroom Classic editing, maybe some AI use. Exporting is irrelevant, most photographers hit Export button and go for a cup of tea.
I own both an xps 15 and an m1 MacBook Pro. A big difference is the charger and dock requirements. XPS requires 130w for full power and most docks don’t provide over 100w. XPS will get a low power warning when using on cal digit 4 TB dock.
Davinci resolve, Premier Pro, for example. Im not against Blender, just it is a must do to mention that it is still not optimized, and can be confusing to viewers about overall performance because that looks like a direct sponsorship for Dell@@applexperiment
@@nazargorevyi1697 don't you think they've had enough time to optimize it tho? both apple and blender team? and lets not pretend there isn't a hardware difference which causes the better performance on nvidia chips, so its likely no amount of optimizing will help the macbook catch up. Just admit apple isn't as good for someone looking to do specifically 3d rendering right now. i do think that will change if apple really does add ray tracing cores to their chips tho
It’s a bit a shame, that Dell didn’t put a vapor chamber on Dell Xps 15, unlike XPS 15, the bigger brother XPS 17 has a vapor chamber and perform way much better in terms of power and thermal 😭
I just bought a 16 inch MacBook Pro. The only reason I opted for Macbook over XPS was the battery. Otherwise, I'd still be a Windows user. Yeah, this is my first MacBook and I like it.
Same
@MBAPresents could you share what else you like or love in Mac besides battery. Also if you could list those which you aren't liking are difficult to adapt would be great
First time macbook user here as well. Only reason why I got my m2 max was because my boss gifted me one.
At first I really don't like it. But learned to love it now 😂 I'm not even sure if I'm willing to go back on windows.
1. Only complaints about Mac are most premium apps are subscription based.
2. Keyboard is painted and not injection moulded.
3. Expensive 😅 I'll probably get a macbook air once this m2 max gives up on me. Although I really wish there's a macbook air version with fans that's not gonna put a hole on my wallet.
@@helbertgasconthey release the old macbook pro 13.3 with fans and even bigger battery than the air with the regular m1/m2 chips too atm. These provide even better battery life since its bigger but comes at the drawback of a older screen, 720p webcam, no MagSafe charging
@@ATechGuy-mp6hn I just recieved my m2 max like 2 months ago. I don't think I'll be upgrading anytime soon. But hopefully cheaper alternatives with fan will still be available that time. I'm a software developer so screen & webcam doesn't really mean much to me. 🙂
Love the Comparison. Though I am a HUGE Mac fan, Im glad Dell is catching up. I still have an old Dell laptop that runs (though not well). My one issue with your tests - no dont this personally boys - is that you often leave the windows machines plugged in. These are laptops. The whole purpose is for them to be portable and NOT be plugged in. So I wouldn't even give the stats for Windows machines plugged in because it's somewhat misleading. Anyway.... You guys always do a great job and I love your channel!! Keep it up boys!
Yeah mostly uses the windows machines when they are plugged in, I noticed that too
Most other reviewers would show plugged in results for windows as well. Maxtech used to do more unplugged test but it’s too heavily favored towards the arm chip. But this gen of intel and Nvidia is surprisingly good unplugged in shorter burst. Kudos.
Definitely unplugged the m2 pro is still more desirable. More battery and will put up a good fight or could even beat 13th gen intel and nvidia 4070. Did not mention power limits for the 4070 but I reckon should be lower spectrum, could be 80w. Good thing about maxtech is they do the test on the spot, unlike most reviews with slightly older data sets.
100% agree on that.
I totally agree with this. Test with the windows plug in is totally misleading.
He should test with both. I use my laptop with a dock exclusively and I have one at home and at the office. It’s less about portability in the field and more that i can’t plug in storage devices into our network. (So the laptop just goes with me)
Everyone’s use case is different. Some people will always have the laptop plugged in
As an I.T. professional working with an MSP, I still have to use an amd64 based laptop for work in the field. Apple Silicon is amazing but it falls flat on it's face for field related I.T. issues. Dell XPS' and Latitudes are what I have been using for years.
Yeah obviously M series has only been out for a little over 4 years.
Great videos. Only one thing that bothering me is that when you comparing web cameras and mic sound, the windows laptops always are 2 times louder, so it looks like loudness comparison not quality. Suggest to adjust both volumes to the same levels so it would be more precise. Thanks!
Sadly, even then it would not be a fair representative of sound because of TH-cam compression. The sound test is not viable through the Internet. Only if you sit in the room and listen to the two computers with your own ears.
@@jamesnyers1721 but you still hear the diference ;)
Yes, that webcam test had the sound volume so high, it is not a real representation.
About Blender... all test I see are about rendering.. but you do rendering only once in a while... another useful comparison and test I never see is a measure of how easily ad smoothly you can load , move and modify complex and heavy scenes or models...
Honestly impressed with dell I genuinely thought the 16 inch would leave it in the dust
@@goobfilmcast4239 honestly speaking how many people do you know who do video editing while far from a power supply I feel the better point you can raise is that the mac has better bettery life and if its performance both machines weather plug to power or not are still capable and if you want it off power then check the previous video am sure he did that.
Here were tested only short tasks. If there will be test for exporting 20-40 mins video, the DELL will go down quite fast because it starts thorttling very fast.
It did lol....
Dell XPS 15-inch competes with the 14-inch MBP.
The Dell XPS 17-inch (9730) competes with the 16-inch M2 MBP.
Great to see x86 machines catching up. I switched to M1 a while ago and miss all my PC games.
you are gonna regret the switch
Catching up by pumping more juice in? That's the problem with Windows laptops.
@@asdbef3667x86 machines are dead, the future is arm based. Every x86 laptop needs to be plugged in, has awfull battery life and needs monster fans to keep it cool.
Get a gaming machine like PS5 or xbox. It will be much better than some laptop. Choosing a laptop just because of gaming performance is stupidity especially if you consider the battery life you will be forgoing with getting gaming laptops.@@asdbef3667
I don't care to game on a laptop. The experience tends to suck to me and lumping that much money into "a gaming" laptop that is gonna drain the crap out of your battery, weigh crap ton, and need to be plugged into the wall constantly anyway would make me just go to PC to begin with or at minimum a console.
IMO you should've also compared the build of the laptops. The MBP should be recognized of its outstanding build quality, hinge and design. But great comparision
They are about even. The xps has better keyboard, screen, and lighter in weight. The mac has better mouse pad, and calibration of display out of box. Both have a premium feeling build quality. Windows 11 better for many power users working with many files. Both have their os quirks, just different. Huge one for Mac is that it does not have the infamous issue with windows where if you first close lid, then unplug, sometimes will drain your battery.
Windows nicer for 4k displays, but ever so slightly.
The biggest difference is battery life. Xps only gets 2 or 3 hours real world on battery running visual studio with large projects, and for photo editing. In a year or two intel will catch up in this dept, but in the interim this is the deal breaker if you work unplugged.
@@michaelkhalsatrack pad* mouse pad ks a whole diff thing but i also often do the typo
Hey, what if you compare the XPS 16" with the Macbook Pro 16". Probably an on-point comparison video, cause then i believe both laptops will be at par and true comparison. I am using the XPS 15" 2019 model right now, and looking forward to upgrade to a new system soon. So just contemplating between the XPS 16' and the Macbook Pro 16", especially when it comes to which brand offers a better display and covers the maximum color gamut. would be really helpful. thanks in advance.
As a musician who mixes music: The Xps just applied a specific EQ curve to the output. Exaggerated the 2K-3K range. That’s what the human ear focuses on for loudness. As a result that piece of music you were playing is not sounding as the artist intended to. They would be shocked how exaggerated the high mids are.
The true representation of that music was how it sounded on the MacBook.
The XPS cannot deliver bass well. They either cut it out to get more loudness and on top of it they exaggerated the high mids. It’s just an EQ curve and you think it’s louder.
The camera is better of course on the Macbook.
Apple Silicon made the windows world to get to work and they have caught up in many areas as performance but the battery life suffers.
If not for Apple Silicon they would’ve needed 10 years to get here with the drip performance advancements every year.
So wait, XPS is plugged in and MacBook on battery in these tests? Not really a fair comparison. Wth.
Being plugged in for Mac does not impact at all
@@Jahangir_Hossain_CAit does 100% when running premiere and after effects
You really need to volume match the webcam clips. The xps webcam clip is even louder than your studio audio. The human brain loves loudness, so it’s impossible to compare audio quality without matching the volume properly.
Got my XPS 15 last week and I'm loving it so far! Nothing against Macbooks... I'm just used to Windows (both for work and personal).
As for the video, they both seem like pretty solid choices.
Can it handle games?
that's the only correct answer, it's what you're used to. A friend of mine loves windows and I love apple, he specs his desktops out and builds them, so that he can game and edit videos. I personally have always used my Mac for music and video editing. I'm more familiar with apple.
Why do you give points based on bass?
Hi Max, Tom from El Salvador here. You should add a new benchmark to your comparisons: Topaz Video Ai. Upscaling a SD video to 8K. This is a test that eats a lot of GPU power...
It's the sound of roaring fans that does it for me with virtually any windows laptop. We are spoiled by apple silicon in that regard.
100%
The Dell XPS sounds much better and performance is about equal now! Wow Dell definitely improved!
Thank you, what do you think if we put there also the swift x16? Whi h place will it have?
You have the Dell plugged in all the time ?
Did I miss what processor is in the XPS? i7 or i9?
The biggest issue I have with newer macbooks is you can’t replace the ram or the hard drive. Once the SSD hard drive is worn out, you have to replace the entire MacBook Pro motherboard, or replace the mac. That is the only reason I decided to pass on buying a MacBook Pro.
With the newer Dell XPS notebooks I’ve seen the insides of, the hard drive and the ram was replaceable/upgradable.
All SSD hard drives wear out after enough writes to the same memory locations, and because of that, they should be user replaceable.
💯 being able to upgrade ram and SSD - is making a laptop more useful in the long-term
How long do you think they last?
@@chrisdavidson911 not very long, according to people who fix them
@@hhkk6155 they'd also say that about regular HDD
@@chrisdavidson911 do you think it's normal that in 2024 apple uses 8gb of ram that swaps like crazy onto 256 gb SSD ? SSD that is soldered in (!) Near voltage lines that will finish it in a nanosecond (!)
If u have a lot of tasks battery life matters the most. Xps needs to be plugged it’s a huge setback also 2 hours of battery life when doing the tasks it’s meant for means you’d barely get any battery backup
Especially when you consider the size of the power brick you need to lug around with the XPS. When I leave home, I only need to take the MBP as it lasts all day.
Nice review as always. I think it'd be interesting to try some longer tests....the Davinci export for example was over too quickly to see the thermal limitations of each device. I'd hazard a guess that the XPS would have throttled hard and the win to the MacBook would be much more pronounced. All the tests that you performed were quite bursty in nature, which I guess is how most people use their machines, but a number of people also use them for more sustained workloads - especially in this "pro" segment.
My 16" MacBook Pro with the M2 Max 32GB memory with 38 core GPU renders the Tug Boat in Blender 3.6 Cycles in ~57 seconds. This is with GPU only and no Metal RT. How am I getting more than twice as fast the render performance of a 16" MacBook Pro M2 Pro with 19 GPU cores? What's your render test settings?
Isn’t there a mix-up with the graphs when you’re showing Dell with or without being plugged in?
NVIDIA has a huge installed base. No matter how many Macbooks Apple sells, it will never match NVIDIA in volume. So if you are a game or AI developer, it makes more sense to optimize for NVIDIA. But for Adobe and video editing tools, the Mac user base is more prominent. I don't think the scenario will change.
Apple competes with Dell and HP, not really with Nvidia. You can't go into the store and buy an Nvidia laptop. It makes high-end components that go into a few laptops. So Nvidia is making a profit on one component while Apple makes the entire profit from selling the device.
As a result here is reality in terms of revenue. Nvidia had 27 billion in revenue in 2022. Apple had 394 billion in revenue. In terms of profits Apple had 99 billion and Nvidia had 10 billion. Apple as you can see is massively larger and more profitable. Nvidia is a great company but currently a boutique compared to Apple. The reason Nvidia stock price has grown recently has to do with using their GPUs to run server applications for AI, which is not a market in which Apple competes.
@@bruxi78230 I agree with everything you said. But the graphics benchmark measures the 4070 performance, which is better for games and AI related workloads than Apple for reasons I mentioned above. Dell and HP do not make GPUs. Apple and NVIDIA may not compete regarding complete products, but they do compete in GPU technology performance. So if you are planning to buy a laptop and have to choose between an Macbook and a XPS, which is the motif of the video, you should consider your workload. There is no silver bullet, one option that is better is every context.
Why's the Dell screen so magenta?
Poor factory color calibration
How long do you think until the M series got ray tracing core built in? Is ray tracing niche enough of a task?
No, ray tracing is undoubtedly the future. Right now it seems a little like 5G, but the world is moving over bc it’s becoming more and more useful (even flat out necessary at times - Blender rendering!)
M3 chips as well as A17 in upcoming iPhones should be getting hardware ray tracing. We should see some of these by the end of this year.
Dell 90% plugged in so way needlaptop?if you compare two laptops way using charger?
I have been running Dell XPS laptops since the mid-2000s. Hands down for the money you cannot beat them. The fact you get a dedicated graphics card is huge for me. Better high end specs for less money makes since the 2000s the win in my book. They last forever too. My 2008 XPS lasted until 2016. That 2016 XPS lasted until 2024, and I just bought the new XPS last week.
I think MB 14 should be compared to the XPS 15 and MB16 to XPS 17. That'll make a fair comparison imo
xps with 14th gen will be insane
It comes.down to ecosystem. What do you prefer. They are almost the same on so many levels except battery life. Point is buy what you like, support who you want, its all more or less the same. Can the dell be upgraded or repaired in home if needed? Thats a huge difference too. Macbook has beyter cam but also other windows laptops to pick from. Id like to see it against some new amd processors.
In gaming the xps is much better
just for upgradability I´d choose the XPS everyday, XPS has 2 slots for SSDs and for RAM so you can make it 128gb ram evenever you want and upgrade to 2 SSDs for a fair price, not that ridiculous mactax for SSDs and RAM, and the most important, SSDs wear out! sometimes fast, if that happens fixing your XPS would be a matter of minutes and less that $50, while the mac would requiere a new MB
Just an idea I have been thinking about when comparing Mac laptops with Windows laptops - price / investment. These two might be similar in price and Macs are often considered expensive, but in lets say 5 years, what is the Dell worth and what is the Mac worth? This might not be relevant up front, but from my experience it would count towards the next computer you buy. Macs holds it value in many years, while I expect a Dell does not have the same value. But I could be wrong?
You can upgrade windows laptop to make them last longer
Great video as always! Mislabeling of the graphs at 5:36 tho ❤
Would love to see a comparison with vivid on. And is there a comparable software for windows? One of the biggest reasons I decided to by a MacBook, was the possibility to improve the brightness along with vivid far over the 500 nits threshold, to be better able to work outside. I'll guess that is not possible with the DELL?
The specs of the XPS showed that it has a 4070, which is the highest GPU spec available for the laptop. Whereas the MBP has the "base" 19 core GPU.
I'd be very curious to see how the GPU benchmarks would look with the M2 Pro with the 30 core GPU. That's a $200 USD upgrade, sure, but we're not going to pretend like the Mac was ever competing on pure price as a value proposition.
I think the 30-core GPU available for the M2 Pro would be a more apt comparison. Even that is the middle tier config for the Mac, because the M2 Max has a 38-core GPU
pretty sure the 4070 would still win
actually you're forgetting that the dell xps has 4080 as well
he used the i7 instead of the i9 too
Who buys a MacBook for the GPU? The dedicated media engine for accelerate encoding/decoding? sure - but the GPU itself is very mediocre compared to much cheaper Windoes laptop. You primarily buy a MacBook for the software it runs, the build, screen and speakers. The CPU power is "enough" but not amazing, it is exceptionally efficient though. The GPU is actually the weakest point of the modern Mac experience. I wish they'd allow eGPUs.
4070 in xps has power limiter so if you want compare mac with 30 core gpu you shoud take other laptop with 4070. Besides that price comparison in this movie is valid only in US. For example xps 15 with i9 processor in Poland costs 4050 usd with taxes and m3 pro costs 4500 usd with taxes, it you upgrade to 30 core gpu price will increase to more than 5100 usd.
Instead of XPS, you should have used Dell Precision laptops 7000 series
I have a MBP 16" M1 pro with 32 gb RAM and i really love it. Its been the best computer ive ever had. But ive been tempted to buy an XPS for some time now and watching this videos makes me really think about that option. I love the apple ecosystem as i also have an ipad pro M1. But, with the new galaxy tab and this XPS, its really hard for me not to be tempted to change ecosystems.
Dont't be. The Dells lose a lot of values and power in just a year or two and don't hold up as well.
No no. I also have Windows + Samsung tab and it is not as good as MacBook + iPad. I have both ecosystems, one for work and personal. But gunna jump to full Apple. It's just easier.
long time windows user and currently using 14 m1 pro and ill never miss battery life on windows. That dell dies twice as fast as macbook, very terrible. windows laptops always play catch up but fail at battery department.
Bare in mind the windows laptop won't perform as well on battery life. Can cut the stats in half sometimes because windows reduces power to all the elements like CPU... So it can be a bit of a false sense of parity
i like this unbiased version of video.. usually i kinda sense a lil bit of biase
What about the new Surface Laptop Studio 2 compared with the M2 Max?
A much more even comparison than the Macbook Air and unsurprisingly both machines are pretty even in most areas. The battery life on the MBP is shockingly good considering its compute power. After the previous video I went and compared the MBA with a 13" Latitude or XPS13 and found them to be roughly on par both performance and price wise. I'm a Mac guy so I would take the machine that natively runs OSX, but in this sector of the market there are some good choices across the board (I have a Latitude for work, which works OK).
Thanks Max! Great job:)
Most people who are doing heavy tasks on these machines are going to be in an office or home where they can easily plug in. The only time's I've used my laptop when im out and about was for document processing and file management stuff, so I don't see a big issue with PCs throttling down when unplugged.
agreed, and MacBooks also throttle on battery in some cases. Rosetta emulation is significantly slower on battery in my experience with my M2 Pro. As a developer I use Docker containers every day that are a mix of native arm64 and emulated amd64. On battery, the arm64 images perform roughly the same - but jeez the amd64 containers start chugging on battery. Its x86 Java program images in my case but my theory is since Rosetta is partially hardware, that performance is significantly throttled on battery since its nowhere near as efficient as native.
It will always seem that Intel is catching up but that can be partly explained by throwing higher wattage at the job, and also the 18 month upgrade cycle which means at some points in their respective cycles, the Intels will have a years head start. Also, the M2 was really an M1+, the tock part of the tick-tock cycle, and missed out on the new GPUs which would have included RayTracing. The M3 Pro/Max/Ultras will be the de facto second-gen Apple Silicon M-chip, three years after the M1, which the M2 is based upon, so it could be argued that a 2020 Apple chip still fighting well against the latest and greatest 2023 Intel?
The true test will be the 3nm M3s coming soon...
When Apple got M3 Pro/Max, Intel got also faster CPUs and Nvidia/AMD got faster GPUs.
Here's my take on it...
Apple's chips is mostly about less (electric) power and better battery life. It's not about "better raw performance than Intel+Nvidia". And it's also about control and profit: the SoC architecture means you cannot upgrade RAM and SSD after purchase, which means you have to buy a Mac with a better config that cost more which will make Apple earn more money. The control is that Apple can develop their chips only based on their own Mac roadmap.
There's really Intel CPUs that's equal to Apple's chips in raw performance. Intel got 100s of CPUs. Some of them are really really good/fast!
For - true average - users it doesn't matter if you got an Intel CPU or Apple M1/M2 std/pro/max/ultra. The reality is that the current Macs got no Intel options, so you have to go for Apple's own chips.
And most users it's gonna be a very small difference if you got a Mac with M1, M2 or M3. When talking raw performance. The more pro user you are and the more of a work tool your Mac is, the more benefit with a newer and faster Apple chip.
But of course, the M3 family WILL be really great for Mac users that got a Mac that's "too old" now and must be replaced with something newer.
I need a new desktop Mac and I will probably go for Mac Studio M2 Max 32/2000. I think I cannot wait for M3 Max. PCs with Intel is not an option here. I don't care if there's some desktop PCs with better raw performance or lower price. I need Mac OS, period :)
@@cjeelde Apple chips have/had better raw power than Intel. apple chips aren't just about lower power. its about better efficiency which is a measure of both power usage and raw performance which Apple handily beats Intel at both. Nvidia is a different story tho, now while i do think apple still beats Nvidia in efficiency it still can't match since Nvidia isn't afraid to throw microwave oven levels of wattage at their GPU. (and to be fair they have gotten pretty efficient as well as can be seen with the 40w RTX 4070). oh also they need ray tracing to truly compete with nvidia
I checked the Dell price, it's $2399 now just days 8 days after this video was published.
Why does Dell put a shiner reflective screen in this computer? Seems like that would result in a lot of screen glare from the room lighting where the computer is used.
Not quite happy with XPS 9530 no. 3 of. 3 laptop purchases in 4 days. Returned 2. Restocking fee on no. 2.
1. HP Envy 360. Had all the features I wanted. Stunned over wifi disconnect issue. Returned but found out later my home cable modem-router has to be swapped out for new. Now I wish I had kept it. Too late after the next purchases.
Sill to change my cable modem, so I can set up the DELL. Laptop 3.
2. Lenovo Ideapad. First saw that SC cards stick 2/3 way out. Returned for this reason and paid restocking. Unacceptable for this reason.
3. DELL XPS 9530.
I don't like that SD slot takes in card 2/3 of the way. Many other brands which still have SD, only take in card 1/3 of the way. I can live with this in as is, in the DELL.
When was this all changed? NOW I remember the HP still had old clock in click out ' most of the way, type.
No touchscreen. The only one of these 3 which did not have touchscreen
Does not fold over. The HP did.
You should look beyond the HP too such as the Asus s13 oled or the Huawei Matebook x pro
What’s the CRI for both monitors
Can you get a 6GHz connection on the Dell Xps
how about color accuracy for XPS screen? oled can look very vibrant but colors actually way off. I had 16inch m1 max and several windows laptops, including i9 +4060 but for that mobile computing does Mac wins nearly everything except gaming. Only would go windows with decent RTX cards for AI and machine learning, but you need desktops to do proper job. Tried used ROG + XG mobile 3080 with 16gb vram, similar result to m1 max but mac crushed more often due to limited support to pytorch and xformer. Still for mobile computing nothing beats Macbook pro consider the all rounded ability plus outstanding battery life
How do you show the fan speed and CPU temperature in the status bar?
saying the MBP wins "there" because its got a specific charging port...
i'd say, you'll also have to carry that specific (otherwise useless) charging cable. where as a usb-c cable can be used for multiple things...
also you should do non-M chip laptop comparisons with and without power plugged in. because they usually boost less, if they run without charger plugged in
Can someone tell me if not supporting certain Windows software in a native mode makes a difference? Does all the best Windows software now have a Mac native mode version? Or am I going to have to run an emulator or virtual windows? What speed hit am I going to take? The hardware is important but if I can’t run all of my software, or it lags, that’s just as big of a deal! Help please…
What are you trying to do and be specific. Don't just say "run windows" or something vague. We have no clue of your intentions so say what you're trying to accomplish using what?
What I can take away from those comparisons between high end Macs and PCs is that the price tag in ratio to the specs is narrower than ever, of course when it comes to ram and ssd options Apple is far from cheap.
Since Apple is going to focus on gaming, are they going to incorporate retracing on the M3 processor? I remember hearing something about Apple possibly adding retracing on the M3 processor.
Doubtful, raytracing is largely irrelevant until you have enough classical rendering horsepower that fhe performance hit is still playable. Apple simply can't compete with either AMD or Nvidia on GPU performance and raytracing support would just be a gimmick when your GPU can't even hit 1080p 60 on modern games. Even if the M3 somehow quadrupled GPU performance over M2 - they'd still be behind and it'd ruin the MacBook's efficiency. If Apple were serious about gaming they'd build a seperate machine from the Air/Pro line that was thicker and used a lot more power. It wouldn't be very on-brand for them though.
how about thermals in the keyboard zone? some youtubers says it is too warm to the touch in the keyboard area.
Comparing a 4080 laptop with a M2 Max 38c would be more fair than a 4070 laptop with M2 Pro. The 4070 should be paired against a M2 Max binned 30c.
It's more of a matter of price though. Dell XPS with 4070 can be found for around $2.5k MSRP which is the same as the base 16 in M2 Pro Macbook Pro. The M2 Max is just extremely expensive and for those prices you can get a 4080 XPS 17 or even many 4090 laptops.
Thanks Max for these comparisons; I think the chip that best competes against the NVidia rtx gpu is the Apple M2 Max gpu. Greetings.
They can only compete in video editing. But in gaming and solidwork they are nothing.
One more comparison needed vs the pro max !
I wonder how the M3 Max will compare with the XPS 17
wrong comparison it should have been the MacBook Pro 16 with the dell precision 5680 with the oled compared to the MacBook 16. That's an honest price to performance comparison
Please compare the new Mac Pro M2 Ultra 8TB - 256GB with a Threadripper Pro + RTX4090 with similar price/specs.
Speakers should not be tested with bass-heavy pop music but with symphonic music, using passages that have widely contrasting loud and soft dynamics. A good speaker should have high dynamic range in soft passages and a lot of transparency in loud passages. A bass-heavy set of speakers often produces a compressed sound in which dynamics and transparency are lost.
Y'all really need to proof all of your graphs before you put them in videos. Almost every single video has some kind of error in at least one of the graphs. At 5:34 your graph makes it look like the MBP loses performance when unplugged. Tighten up Max!
exactly i dont think ive seen a single video without a mistake is the graph . he obviously doesnt care at this point multiple people have pointed it out already . it takes seconds to fix the mistake
in LR is 1:1 preview or standard preview generated ?
I just bought a MacBook last Sunday. As a long-time Windows user, I can say that the MacBook is a little bit better for me. Not only is it the most efficient laptop I have ever had, but it is also one of the most powerful without needing to be plugged in all the time. In fact, I only need to charge this Mac once every 2 days, depending on usage. So yeah, basically, my Windows laptop can never compete with a Mac when it comes to efficiency and battery life. I know that there are some Windows laptops out there with good battery life, but those are mostly Chromebooks and weak-performing laptops. So yeah, when you're looking for a laptop with a good camera, speakers, build quality, and privacy safeguards, Macs are there for you. I don't think I will be going back to Windows anytime soon. I hope Windows recovers soon. I'm also hoping that Intel or AMD will produce something as tough and efficient as M1/M2 chips.
What happened at 5:34
6 hours vs 12 hours is not in the same league. But if I didn’t absolutely HATE fan noise I’d like the machine with ability to play triple A games easily. Now I’d choose the 14 inch MBP. It’s a better overall computer. But still need a purpose built gaming PC at home. Really don’t game on the go any ways.
Dell i7 model ?
You would have to give me a Dell for free to use one. I bought a Dell laptop for my gf years ago, and have owned a couple Dell high end monitors and the tech support is SO bad that I felt like I was dealing with online tech scammers (this is to say the least). And all three products needed servicing within months of purchase. Nightmare.
On the other hand, bought an iPhone 6s, 2015 iMac, Apple TV years ago and still use them to this day with no issues ever. When I needed to change my phone battery I had Apple do it, and the tech accidentally messed up the camera. So Apple gave me a brand new one, for free, 2 years past warranty, and I didn't even buy from Apple (got it thru my phone provider). Bloody amazing.
You can use both Nvidia and the Intel integrated GPU for soem tasks like that video render/export. You get even better performance like that.
Seems like on most comparisons the Dell is plugged in while the MacBook is on battery. Seems like that creates a bias comparison. Clearly the Dell chews up more power in order to compare to the Mac!
In terms of video quality i.e. editing, images and script its one of your best ...i got bit emotional in the end even though i m not obese but i do see people around me suffering from it
you didnt mention the specs of the dell processor and ram and the ram of the mac either
Why the hell are the Dells always plugged into electricity in these reviews while the Mac is unplugged. That is cheating.
I was waiting for this. Seriously.
with macbook you get the whole package, no compromises, this is its differentiating factor from the rest of the non-apple laptops
Bro kindly do comparison on plugged out also
What did you guys do to be so impressed with the XPS speakers?! My 16” M1 Pro absolutely obliterates my XPS 9530. Not even in the same stratosphere. This is as true for the battery and webcam as it is for the speakers. Having said that, the RTX 4070, even if at 40W, really does impress. Graphics on the mac are great, too, but for everything BUT (of course) AAA gaming. I went from the 9500 to the 9530 and I'm really happy with how Dell seems to have improved the XPS lineup. Now it desparately needs a refresh.
haveing these two exact laptops which you think has the better display overall? cause im really thinking about the display on a laptop, for consuming content
@@spyrosstyl7378 Hands down the mini-LED of the M1-M3 Pro's/Max's. Don't get me wrong, the FHD+ on the XPS 9530 is really nice for streaming and consuming media content; I've grown fond of the non-glare aspect of its matt display. However, it can't touch the mini-LED in terms of true-to-life picture, colours, etc. Also, if you work with text (i.e., you write a lot), the sharpness of fonts and the like on the Mac are, in a word, incredible.
@@JimKanaris thanks a lot for the info , but i meant more like a comparison with the oled 3.5k dispaly of the dell, cause bviously mac will have a much better screen in comparison with an full HD screen but in comparison with oled 3,5k ?thats my key concern, if its realy veryclose and it depends on how trained its the eye then ill go first time with apple mac
@@spyrosstyl7378 I see! I had an OLED (7590) and an UHD+ (9500) XPS. It made me very nervous when I opted for the FHD+ last May. However, I was pleasantly surprised. I didn’t miss the other displays but I can’t be sure whether that was due to having the mini-LED. Like I said, I was nervous about the FHD. Perhaps Dell’s improved on their OLED and UHD displays? They’re no doubt superior to the FHD in similar but different ways to the mini-LED. I guess it boils down to whether it’s $400-dollars-extra superior or whatever they’re going for now. If I didn’t have the mini-LED, I think I’d go with the OLED/UHD. But, again, the FHD is really, really nice.
@@JimKanaris so in your honest opinion? having seen both uhdplus and macbooks pro display, which is better?overall im tending to go with mac cause speakers play very improstant role when consuming content and as you said their speakers are out of thi world xd
You should also do a proper gaming test.
why is color of two displays so different? :-?
Own M1 Air and waiting more than 2 years to have compatible SW to my needs...seems SW companies are more leaning to a real GPU power as the RTX 40...I dont think M3 will make any different in this area. power efficiency is great but...
I notices that the colors of the MacBook pro display are way better than the XPS which shit to magenta.
The fact that the Mac book is not plugged in makes it the winner over all for me
It's the first time that a windows laptop is sounding better then a macbook
I don’t think so its just clearer and louder not better bass is harder to maintain within the clarity.
I think he ment overall@@sarpgunaydin
@@CarlWangNielsenOverall the macbook won tho
you cant really tell from the video bro. one sound balance and other sound bassy. you need to hear em in real life.
@janiwr.m9068 than*
Battery life is the most important stat on a laptop. As long as Apple silicon offers greater battery life than windows, there is NO comparison.
I like laptop comparisons!
Suggestion: $1700 Dell Alienware X16 (Intel Core i7-13700H and RTX 4060) vs. $3500 Apple MacBook Pro 16 2023 (M2 Max with 38-Core GPU)
Where is z fold coverage
Next let's see the Dell XPS 17-inch 9730 vs the M2 Macbook Pro 16-inch.
- Battery life, refresh rate, and web camera are all in Macbooks favor.
- The ability to game, Azure, Power BI, and Nvidia GPU are in Dell XPS' favor.
MBP is - again - just too inflexible - Apple's standard. Got an i7 (old) XPS 17 with 16 Gb RAM and 1 Tb nvme. Added 2 Tb nvme and replaced 16 with 64 Gb RAM while still keeping the price lower then MBP's base model. The i7 is cool and quiet, best performer/watt with little to no throttling. The TOUCHSCREEN is impressive and I have a workflow around it that eliminates the need of a separate wacom tablet or mouse. I can use it anywhere and is compatible with projectors, Poly, Yealink systems, etc.
@Max Tech - I wish to see Lightroom Classic editing, maybe some AI use. Exporting is irrelevant, most photographers hit Export button and go for a cup of tea.
When it comes to laptop speakers, I don't care about bass, I just want speakers that are very loud and clear and that's what the xps delivers
I own both an xps 15 and an m1 MacBook Pro. A big difference is the charger and dock requirements. XPS requires 130w for full power and most docks don’t provide over 100w. XPS will get a low power warning when using on cal digit 4 TB dock.
which one would you keep if you had to return one
@@deadstar962 the MacBook. I'd keep that one. I don't require anything Windows specific.
Interesting that you point out blender so much, but no word that it is still not optimized for Apple silicon...
Then what should he use to compare the graphics performance that's on both platforms at least suggest that🤷🏾♂️
Davinci resolve, Premier Pro, for example. Im not against Blender, just it is a must do to mention that it is still not optimized, and can be confusing to viewers about overall performance because that looks like a direct sponsorship for Dell@@applexperiment
@@nazargorevyi1697 don't you think they've had enough time to optimize it tho? both apple and blender team? and lets not pretend there isn't a hardware difference which causes the better performance on nvidia chips, so its likely no amount of optimizing will help the macbook catch up. Just admit apple isn't as good for someone looking to do specifically 3d rendering right now. i do think that will change if apple really does add ray tracing cores to their chips tho
5:36 - the upper bar should be that PC laptop?
It is called xps15.. remember it very well it is destroying your macbook
Imagine putting in a 4070 and then capping the performance with too little wattage.
It’s a bit a shame, that Dell didn’t put a vapor chamber on Dell Xps 15, unlike XPS 15, the bigger brother XPS 17 has a vapor chamber and perform way much better in terms of power and thermal 😭
Nice video
Why no video Iphone 14 pro max vs Samsung fold 5 ?
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@@movieblues4614 Yea i have fold 5 and sell my 14 pro max cuz battery sucks
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