I was a windows user until I started to get into the technical details between x86 and ARM architecture. Got an MB M3 pro, and even it is pretty expensive I don't regret getting it. Would chose ARM over X86 any time. Apple has the vision for future technologies.
Indeed, I was in the same camp before Apple released their M1 MacBooks. I thought, “no way an iPhone chip could run a full desktop.” Then it came out, and the iPhone chip with 20% more CPU/GPU cores and run at a slight higher clock… was wiping the floor with Intel processors pulling 3-5x more power… life changed at that moment.
I am surprised that you were able to switch from Windows to a Mac. None of the embedded software development apps that I use at work are available for the Mac. I have never seen a Mac in any company that I have ever worked for because of this problem. Macs are a very niche product for things like video editing. They don't seem to have any other use
@@adityarohilla9396 Linux on desktop PC still > Mac Studio Mac Pro and Studio show the disaster of Apple product? overpriced machine with mediocre performance ...no wonder they called their macbook called their chip M series stand for mobility ...great on mobility
I think a 4090 should have been a more apples to apples comparison as M3 max is Apple's best, whereas a 4090 is almost 2x faster than the 4070 and that will make a huge difference especially in things like GPU effects score etc.
Yep, I was scratching my head with the comparison with the 4070. With the 4090, the prices of the two would come closer but the Windows machine would likely dust the M3 Max in raw, plugged-in performance. That would be the proper comparison IMO.
@@Cowicide 4090 will destroy M3 Max when it comes to brute GPU power. There's a reason why Nvidia didn't bother bringing new laptop GPUs this year, as 4090 is actually untouchable right now.
The thing is, as far as I know there is no 'creator' laptop with the 4090. Yeah, we could get a gaming laptop, but we'd loose some extremely important features that creators need, want. I was quite bummed to hear that ASUS put 'only and rtx 4070 on this 'top range' creator laptop, it should've been a 4080 at minimum to have dual media engines!
My benchmark 3d classroom renders. M3max 19 sec. Desktop rtx. 3090 17 desktop 4090 7 seconds . M1pro was over 3 minutes… I rendered while unplugged . No throttling while unplugged. M3 max is new. Wait for software support for raytracing . Viewport is so smooth and the entire machine never lag. M4 will be even better.
I've used both and currently have a maxed out M3 Max. I do like the OLED displays and the haptic trackpad on the Asus as they've finally cloned Apple's design! No longer a springboard. The Creator I upgraded to 64GB DDR5 5600 but it only runs at 4800. 4TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD. Pretty much maxed out. It's pretty stout for a Windows machine. However, being like all Windows laptops, performance drops off the cliff when the power cord is unplugged. The creator laptop fan runs all the time and particularly in performance mode, quite annoying and man does it get hot! It will charge off thunderbolt docks but if you're using a lot of CPU and GPU the battery will still drain even when plugged in. Also (this is more a Windows issue rather than specific to the Asus machine), HDR is handled poorly. You have to enable it all the time or have it off. Apple does it right and HDR content is displayed in a window or full screen on demand. I am looking forward to having an OLED display on a future generation of Macbook Pro!
One glaring mistake: the transistor node sizes are more of a marketing term rather than actual dimensions, so you cannot exactly compare intel 10nm with tsmc 3nm like that. A more accurate comparison would be something like NAND cell density for each of the nodes.
4:20 Something important to be clear at this point. Any process node is not comparable with any other, is just a name made for marketing. Intel 10 nm is not comparable with TSMC 3 nm, so it’s not true that you can fit three times transistors into the same space. Example: Its density it’s what matters, for example Intel 10 nm is denser than TSCM 7 nm by a little, which is counterintuitive to what people believe. Be careful with the marketing made by some companies. That’s why intel eventually changed their naming scheme to intel 7 process node, to make it seem more accurate to their competition. Pls like to make everybody know
It be 2 times the weight and suck the battery dry in 30 minutes. And sounds like a helicopter. Compaired to a M3. If you are a professional Apple is the only way to go if you use the machine on the road. Your time is money 2k can easy be earned back in time saved
@@cheezy2455 Do you really believe that it is possible to perform professional work on Adobe's software only on a battery? Because if you believe that I am ready to give you my dead macbook after the battery has finished all its health due to working only on battery (M2 PRO).
@@uribak9144how long did it takes for your m2 pro macbook to degrades all of its battery health and dead ? What is your cc ? And your usual daily use ?
Honestly any "media creator" is far better off using m3 max/pro with davinci resolve studio rather than a windows based laptop even with a 4090. But most people buying super highend windows laptops are usually engineers who need on site computational performance.
Not only that, but the softwares are usually windows only and if there’s a mac support, it’s usually a few updates behinds (looking at you Autodesk). I’ve been a big Apple fan over the years and the new Macbooks are something else over the competition, but with the end of Windows sideloading it’s not an option anymore
Great review. I like your balanced approach. Both look like great laptops for different audiences. One thing I really love about my M1 laptop is how quiet it is, even when under load, it barely makes a peep.
Fairly useless review in my opinion. These laptops aren't even in the same league. Test the ProArt against a 16" MacBook Pro that is similarly priced, give or take a couple of $200. That's a fairer comparison. This review is like testing the level of luxury in an Aston Martin to a Mazda.
Test the ProArt with a MacBook Pro with a Pro version of the chip. Another thing. You can configure a Widows laptop so that you don't need a TB4 dock, such as a CalDigit. These TB4 accessories are expensive and add to the total cost. And then there is the cost of software upgrades to work with current Apple systems and under Parallels with legacy Windows software. Apples are simply too expensive when factoring in total cost of the device and all necessary accessories and software updates to current ones from legacy software that still might meet one's needs.
@@nocommentarygaming2644Why would anybody with a brain buy a 4090 laptop? The GPU is literally crippled and you could get a desktop for a cheaper price and better performance than many laptops.
@@envynoir Because some people have lives outside their house and need a powerful device while moving between different locations frequently. Gaming laptops wouldn't exist if not for a demand (and thus a reason) for this type of device. Of course desktops give you better performance per dollar, but they sacrifice portability to get that. Both exist for a reason.
For a Dell 7780 you can pay more than €12,000. Not being able to upgrade my notebook would be a no-go for me. I bought an XMG notebook and started with just 1 TB of storage, because I was sure that storage prices would go down later. That really happened. So I added another 2 TB to the second slot. If I need more in future, I might replace the 1 TB with 4 TB. Then the total cost of my notebook will have reached about 2000 Euros with 6 TB of storage, 64 GB of RAM and a 144 Hz Display.
If you are a serieus creator time is money. You could use a workstation if you want faster tender times. But you are on the go or travel. Apple gives you the freedom to edit any where , you do not need to plug in or worry about battery life. Like he said the battery life is amazing. He can go 1 and 1/2 day on 1 charge. Do multiple renders. Its a amazing machine . asus are just using the wrong cpu. Amd is much more power effecient and are not far behind on the apple nodes. Also there gpu are moving to chiplit designs so more efficiency. And there is a 3th option comming Qualcomm. Windows on arm .. Who knows what the future will bring.
I like windows a lot but windows machines are not great. Windows machines has lot of problem. most common is heat and fan noise. so I switched to Macbook M2
@@cheezy2455 totally agree. Lifelong Windows user & got just a basic 14" M1 Pro and even it's as quick as my 5900X desktop in 90% of tasks. I got it for a little bit of freedom if I need to edit between jobs instead of needing to be tethered to a desk but it's become my primary machine because of how good it is. Totally silent, uses 1/10th the power of my desktop (I even recharge off solar power) and the battery life is insane. Never was a big fan of MacOS and have used plenty of Macs before but Apple Silicon is undeniable. Don't see Windows having an answer for quite some time tbh
@@cheezy2455 1 and half days on a single charge is bs, I couldn't do that on my m3 pro macbook pro (14 inch) even web browsing, let alone with creative / heavy work load apps open. I can suck the battery dry in under 5 hours with any performance software open. The battery life is a lot better than pc laptops but it's not 1 and a half days lol. I can't even do 1 day on battery even without pro apps, but the battery is still obviously impressive. Just lets not pretend you can get 12+ hours of real use.
I got an M2 Pro laptop last year to pair with my built desktop and it was the best decision. The things Apple are doing for creators is amazing. I used to hate apple (and still do), but i cant deny that as a creator machine the mac silicon is amazing. My desktop runs circles around the M2 Pro, but as an on-the-go one, i love my Mac
@@tonytech5520 Way less power consumption but also way less performance than an i9-13980HX. It will still be at least a year until Intel starts making all their CPUs (including HX ones) on Intel 4 like Meteor Lake is.
I bet you can't even find a Macbook with intel anymore because they was dropped off for the basic task does it beat M1 in anyway that the basic CPU by mac making it a Tiny baby to intel which is way bigger Battery last longer faster cpu speeds faster driver updates supports new Mac updates - which intel can't get easy due to it needs M1 chips which intel can't even beat
i don't have the m3 max but i have the m1 max version and its performance doesn't translate the same as you suggest, a lot of my video editing, motion graphic and 3d work is way better on pc than mac. but sure when the power is plugged in
@@nullptr_yt even when it's plugged, i did tested after effects on my very old pc and it was faster on it than the m1 max, it was faster for preview and render, the same goes with 3D it's not only render time but viewport time, simulation time is faster on pc with an nvidia gpu. i wish what he is saying is right but on my m1 max it doesn't
I have a M2 Max with 32gb of RAM, and just picked up a ProArt with the RTX 4060 and 32gb of RAM to go along with the Macbook (there were occasions when I needed to run something on x86_64, and ran into a couple programs that needed an RTX gpu). I honestly wish I could combine the two laptops. In my opinion, the OLED screen looks nicer and the ProArt in ways is a sexier laptop with a nice variety of ports, but the M2 Max performs so much better with better battery life. I can easily notice a performance difference when editing photos on the two devices. The M2 Max just runs so much smoother, and you can definitely feel the ProArt chugging along compared to the Macbook (It's still a fast machine in terms of Windows based computers). The Macbook speakers also blow the ProArt's out of the water. I also find Mac OS runs smoother than Windows as well.
Given the outperformance by the top-spec M3 Max, it would be good to know which reduced spec MacBook Pro compares more directly with the ProArt & what it's price is.
It truly depends on your workflow. The ProArt has a touch screen that can be used with a compatible pen. If you lay the screen flat, you can easily draw on it. It is just too bad that neither Intel, nor AMD, has an answer to the power of the M3.
Intel just launched it's ultra processors that seem promising but still do not stack up to apples M series. Let's see what this year has to offer though.
AMD would get closer to Apple silicon, as they butcher Intel in efficiency and they use a much smaller process node. I don't understand why laptop manufacturers shun it in favour of Intel every time (although I've heard they're terrible to deal with when it comes to helping out with the design)
@@deeomayall i am a VFX Artist and i Grade as well Apart from AMD Both Apple and Intel Doesnt Fit my Needs, The Ryzen 9 7945HX Laptops Destroys Both AMD and Intel When it comes to Heavy Multi Threaded Loads. on The Desktop Side Even the Best spec'd out Apple M2 ULTRA and on the Desttop Struggles to Beat an RTX 3070 in 3D Rendering.
There is only one way to truly test which laptop is better. Put both of those laptops in max load and then put those laptop on your lap and see which one of them burns your lap due to uncontrollable unsafe heat.
@@level80888 You have no idea what you are talking about as you are comparing nm's between manufacturers :-D De8bauer made a great video about this exact topic which I would recommend you watch.
I have a question! Why all the test are mostly related to video editing or 3D on blender, I am a game developer who works with unreal engine 5, and compare to unreal, blender is a lite software( basically). I request an unreal engine 5, unity and maybe ZBrush tests. Because they are what I use and my criterias. Please consider my requests 🙏
Interesting. Your results counter mine directly. Granted I'm testing an M3 Pro rather than Max, but on my Premiere tests my ProArt is about 40% faster than my Mac. I have a standard video that I use for testing Premiere and Resolve... it's a 35 minute video in 4K, footage is a mix of ProRes and XAVC... it has zooming and scaling and lower thirds from After Effects and a LUT across the whole timeline. On my M3 Pro in Premiere it takes 42 minutes to export, and on my ProArt it's done in 23 minutes. Other test projects are yielding similar results. I haven't tested Resolve yet -- working on that soon. Initially my ProArt was slower, but I discovered that when the screen goes to sleep the CPU goes into a low power mode and only runs at about 15% of its normal speed. So I had to turn off the screen power saving. But once I did that the ProArt was clearly faster than the M3 Pro in every test I threw at it.
Are you talking about the my Asus application? And yes I agree with what you're saying He's the main reason why I decided to get this laptop and then he got stuff wrong in this video that just doesn't make sense, for example it didn't remember it's not a gigabit port it's a 2.5 gigabit port
@@Mmacrossfirekenai I don’t recall the exact numbers off the top of my head, but the Asus does slow down pretty significantly. I think the render time was in the 45-50 minute range. The Mac was essentially the same as when plugged in.
@@razorgarfyou know that people travel. If you are on the move you need a powerful AND efficient machine. Btw i am in a cabin each summer and only have a solar panel. Photos need to be imported and edited even on holidays 😀
Overall, the M3 Max is better for video/photo editors! I will give credit to Asus Pro Art 2023 as 2nd best for those that do not want MacOS or want to save some money for the business.
I am about buy a laptop for Unreal Engine. Pricewise, the M3 Max makes a lot of sense, but I don't how it would perform with ray tracing. Also, Unreal is prone to glitches and bugs and I am unsure on how the mac would handle it. This would be a real nice content, I think there is a lot of Unreal creators out there asking the same question.
I don't know if unreal 5 has ray tracing support on mac os yet. From the small amount of tests that actually do that. When reviewing the m3 max. It doesn't support it yet. I really do get annoyed by the lack of review regarding ue5 on m3 macs.
The UE5 engine is no joke, if you really want to work on it in a good and professional way, only a desktop PC with a 4090 and 4080 card. Beyond that, it's a waste of money... It's a different league of performance. There are studios that work with 3 4090 cards together.
@uribak9144 my setup is a 5950x, 128gb ram, rtx 4090 both liquid cooled (here in Brazil it is necessary). The problem is that I need to spend some time on business travels this year, and I need something to at least do some demonstrations to potential clients and do some jobs while traveling. Unfortunately, I can't have my desktop with me.
4:21 You are incorrect here, it definitely does not mean that. Now a days 3nm or 7nm or 10nm do not refer to any dimensions, it is just used to signify what technology the transistors use.
Wow. I wonder how Meteor Lake will turn out in comparison. I use a MacBook Pro M2Pro at work and love it. Lots of power and the battery lasts a long time. At home however, its all PCs (Intel) for me. I like to build my rigs and Apple blocked us modders years ago.
Time will tell how well the OS and different apps will be using the very low power cores in the Meteor Lake CPUs once the updates kick in. This will be interesting.
@@Fordance100 No Topaz works differently, as the performance of the graphics card itself is important and Topaz labs is also supposed to work with amd, that's why I'm asking.
A laptop with a 4070 is hardly "Window's Best". I get that you're trying to make a snappy, clickable title but this borders on misinformation. A Windows laptop with a 4090 will absolutely destroy Apple in 3D workflows.
@@DennisSchmitz You have no clue what you're talking about. Nearly all Windows laptops with a 4090 don't throttle (with the exception of the Zephyrus G14). Cooling systems in laptops are much more advanced than you're aware of. Unless you mean power throttling on battery, but nobody's going to me doing complex 3D workflows on battery so that doesn't matter.
@@nocommentarygaming2644 The GPU's in PC laptops are based on the Q-Max versions of the full blown cards, so you're not going to get anywhere near the true performance from what you get on a desktop version of a 4090 for example.
@@sampadkar19 that's sold as a gaming laptop. Which indeed is faster but lacks in different areas. He was comparing laptops made for productivity only.
If you want desktop replacement, less price, easier to upgrade, good screen, and big big installed storage, just go into pro art.. But if youre mobile preson, edit to go, using apple ecosystem (iphone, ipad), have money to buy the laptop and external ssd + all dongle hub, and already have windows pc, just go into macbook..
What would you recommend for Einstar scanning? Needs lots of ram and Geforce RTX 8 to 12 gb video ram. I9 processor laptop or mobile workstation. Only want to buy once and hopefully last forever. Want to do automotive hot rodding and reverse engineering. I do cad.
Waiting for the Qualcomm X Arm processor based Windows Laptops before my next Laptop upgrade. Still happy with my Alienware m15 r7 for video editing for now.
Based off the tests I've seen so far. That will likely just be another disappointment. I was also waiting because I still prefer windows but if Snapdragon launches and is same old. I will just get a Mac m3 pro
Hmmm. I don't think this comparison is really fair. The Mac costs a LOT more than the Asus. Comparing the ASUS with 32GB RAM and 1 TB hard drive with a M3 Pro machine ( the Mac still costs almost $900 more than the equivalent ProArt) the numbers are likely to be a lot more balanced.
"Productivity" in what and with what programs and do you make money with your machine or use it for fun and/or learning. One cannot answer such a broad question. Without any constraints 4090 is the best GPU, but if you had no constraints, why would you buy a 7600X as your CPU?
Are you reading the comments? I've asked three or four times now I want to see the studio book connected to an EGPU I know you have a lot of GPUs I would like you to run through the gauntlet or at least maybe three, this laptop is going to be my desktop replacement so I want to know what type of external upgrades I can do in the future.
I have an off topic question to ask, but you're the only one i can ask this because you've used the products I'm confused about. In my country both gigabyte aero z690 D and aero z790 G are available for almost the same price. You think it's worth picking up the older board for the premium features like thunderbolt and 10 gigabit lan? I've already bought the i5 13500 , in case it's relevant to my query. Thank you in advance 🙏.
@@Y0_ltr I imagine USB 4 will go beyond it. My USB 4 drive works in my TB port but I have no idea if it works the other way around, do you? If it doesn't, that would be a pretty damming thing for those of us with TB drives.
Just one comment on Blender. We need to keep in mind, that with the M3 Max we have unified memory. So if we get more memory we can have scenes in the GPU that the maxed out Pro Art Laptop or any other laptop, and most desktop cannot. For instance, with 64GB of RAM and above, you can have complex scenes in Blender that you'd have to have a desktop RTX 6000 from $6,000 to be able to render in the GPU. And this is another impressive thing that you already covered in another of your videos. We have a laptop competing with a Desktop. And often, winning. But like you said. It doesn't mean that the ProArt cannot be a good option for a person that values the ability to use a pen for their photos and design for example.
There is no point even mentioning that - it's like comparing filament bulbs to LED. X86 is a space heater, not a processor. I got a mac while I wait for the competition to catch up.
That is what a lot of people say but I feel like that there is room of optimisation for X86. I mean Windows is bloated. And it has large Support for a lot of different Hardware but its not optimised. But I know what you mean maybe RISC based CPUs will take over CISC based CPUs in the Laptop Segment I dont know.
I have a love / hate relationship with Apple; since my first LCII color. I hate how they are so minimalist with the ports and how locked down they are, but love the functionality color accuracy, build and OS. I love the openess and parts availabilty of Lenovo lap tops. Have assembled multiple PC's from hand curated parts over the years, absolutely hate Windows OS 10 and 11. The struggle on both platforms continues.
Same here. I like Apple's durability and battery life, but hate their business practices (especially around RAM). Asus, Dell, Lenovo, and Framework are great for modularity and flexibility in their business line products. Except for Lenovo business lines, the build quality and durability tend to struggle past 3 years.
I LOVE my 2023 Proart Studiobook but I wish it had the 3d screen everyone made videos of. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the weight of this thing, its HEAVY. By far the best laptop i've ever used and maybe even better then any desktop i've used to date. The proart can go down to 60hz if you want to save battery life, its not only 160
"Only" 3-4x higher than the M3 Max in the last comparison vs the RTX4090 i9 comparison I've seen while still struggling to keep up with video and photo workflows like Resolve and Lightroom. The M3 Max Macbook was hovering around 70-80W while the RTX4090 machine was around 240W.
@@Superbus753 It's not 10 times the power draw. Under full load a max power 4090 laptop and a max power 4070 only should differ about 40w so well under half.
@@DennisSchmitz that would already be too much. The solar system in the summer cabin can only deliver 12V 10A. Doable with a macbook but not with those power eating windows laptops. Apple offers good power and efficiency.
Recently ordered M2 Pro, 16”. I’m engineer, so I don’t need a lot of GPU cores. Rather a lot of RAM :). Still consider as overpriced, but I’m locked to Apple platform, so I had no choice. M3 Max, from my experience, is ONLY needed for video/3D editing. That is the only gain you get from the Max cpu
I'm a design student, and I'm looking to buy a computer for motion graphics and 3D graphics work. Since I have to work between school, cafe, and home, I have to consider weight, heat, and noise. So MacBook seems like a great option for me. Because it's quiet in most situations, and it does perform well without plugging in a brick-like charger. But considering 3D work, Windows laptops with rtx 40 series graphics cards are quite attractive. I don't have a big budget. What should I do?
You just need to weigh how important each feature is to you. If you're doing any kind of 3D graphics work or AI, then unfortunately you kind of have to stick with a nvidia graphics card.
still no chance against m3max. M3max is 14900K(F) lvl, so even the 7945hx is a good margin behind. Stop the cinebench BS, you need mathematical concepts to test the cpu. Not marketing BS
What happened, you became like all Apple TH-camrs, you can make fun of people without enough knowledge, but those who really understand know that the ROG Swift 4090 Laptop is much faster than the Mac, especially in 3D.
@@level80888 It's a joke? Who determined that the ROG Swift 4090 Laptop is not able to do productive work faster than the two laptops here, it has all the necessary hardware. It's like saying my sports car is not designed for city driving, you realize how ridiculous that sounds.
@@uribak9144 It still is not targetting productivity for professionals its still a goddamn gaming laptop. your analogy would be like buying a lambo to go mudding or to do a rallyrace lol
@@christopherfortineux6937 That's exactly the genius of it, I create content in the UE5 engine and a gaming computer is the best thing to test the games and simulations I've created, actually I work more on a desktop computer but it's also a gaming computer. Both work and entertainment and pleasure at the same price... Honestly, that's what I miss in the Mac a lot, just a boring platform.
TL;DR - If you need to do "heavy lifting" tasks, like rendering 4K videos, just using the battery, then go with the Macbook. Otherwise, if you just want to save money, and you typically work near an outlet, then go with the Asus ProArt.
Best Man! Thank you very much for this comparison!!! This is what I was waiting for so long! Now I know what to buy, or lets say. After this figures I am even more convinced what fits to my needs 😊 THANK YOU ❤
Thanks for the review and also showcasing the Old Town of Riga :) I just wanted to chip in and say that I hope that the physical dial on the Proart is better than the one on the Zenbook Pro 14. I didn't get the laptop because of that, but nevertheless I was hopeful for the innovation, however I found it slowing me down in Photoshop. Keyboard shortcuts are way faster in my opinion and if you use an external mouse than I doubt one can beat that combo :)
Wait this has 4070? How is that windows best? The 4090 blows the 4070 out of the water. Is this a pro apple advertisement? Get a 4090 best window laptop and then compare.
@@UnidentifiedGecko It's never better. Not in anything. The 4090 laptop beats the 4070 desktop (by a small margin though).Go check out the framerates yourself. The 4080 desktop beats the 4090 laptop though
3D pro creators will buy Threadripper processors and multi gpu configs, not laptops. Test the 2023 M2 Apple Mac Pro Vs your Oppenheimer workstation...or...the new Mac Studio M3 Ultra 32 cores Vs the PRO WS TRX50 + 7975WX Threadripper 32 cores + 2XRTX4090
The difference is really too much if this is really the fastest windows laptop. But that MacOS is just not for me! Is there anything faster in windows? Maybe gaming series? Cuz anyway this ‘creator’ laptop hardly lasts 1 hour of active heavy use so a gaing laptop won’t be much of a difference. Windows users have to settle with bad battery life but it is still better imo to using the MacOS. Great video btw. But i really wished you actually did a more complex testing like converting 10k 45MP RAW files with edits (use a preset) into JPEGs, or using AI based softwares like aftershoot for facial recognition and stuff, maybe some really heavy vfx renders, not just blender benchmarks but other softwares that actual professionals in the field use, exporting from AE, working with complex vectors in Illustrator, etc. I mean my specific use case is doing tonnes of stuff with LR but I believe pros (not youtubers but actual industry pros or indie pros) would have their use cases much more complex. I mean benchmarks are good but they aren’t real world scenarios where I maybe exporting from LR but also at the same time editing a video in davinci or compositing a fusion fx or running a script in photoshop, etc. And I have seen windows laptops even 2x the cost of this Macbook where I live. So what’s the deal with those? If this is the fastest ‘creator’ laptop and is 1/2 the price, what about those expensive windows ‘gaming’ laptops with all creator needing specs like the oleds, the dci-p3, the 10bit color, etc?
I do not like the ProArt laptop because of the battery performance, the benchmark performance on the battery and the design. It's a subjective matter, but I prefer the M2/M3 design. I mean, if you buy a laptop, the purpose is portability. Of course, if you are a designer working on an office desk all day, you want to bring your computer home after work to continue working on some projects or even for personal usage (why not), you will always have an electric plug nearby. However, if your laptop is provided by your company, they will likely choose a Lenovo or another PC laptop if they care about their inventory cost. This is where PC laptops have an advantage over Macs : the pricetag. If you can pick your own laptop for work, it probably means that you are self-employed or a professional who doesn't need to use an encrypted company VPN to work. In this case, you can get a tax credit if you add your laptop as a work expense and the pricetag will likely be less of a problem. This is what my uncle does : he is a professional photographer with a website and he's incorporated but self-employed. His MacBook Pro went on his corporate credit card and adds it as a corporate expense. So if you're willing to buy a laptop for professional reasons, cost should not be a big deal for a laptop unless you are buying a huge inventory of laptops and you need to watch the expenses for your equipment inventory. Also it depends what you do because PC has a better software compatibility. That being said, if you want to work from a coffee shop, during your travels or even in the comfort of your balcony in your forest cottage, the battery performance is essential. Apple brings you way more portability and a true laptop experience.
One extra thing: If you are using linux to code, a lot of packages don't work well for specialized areas in MacOS ARM. In a windows laptop, you can install linux. Thats why I abandoned a MAC to a Windows laptop + linux.
Windows due to it's HAL structure and backward compatibility will always means it's not as lean when using the same configuration, and x86 will be less energy efficient due to CISC being more robust. The trade off is that Windows have cheap devices running on Pentium and Athlon, and can run many ancient DOS Apps, it also have touch screen laptops and convertibles, you will have to get Ipad Pro to get Touch Screen on Apple. Windows is just more diverse.
A Mac laptop is not better than the latest AMD or Intel laptops for most users. This is because native ARM versions of most apps are not available and most people will end up running x86 versions of their apps using Rosetta 2. Apps running under Rosetta 2 are several times slower than native apps. The worst people to review Macs are TH-camrs because of the very good native ARM apps available for video editing, which is all that they ever talk about.
That's a no se. Basically all apps have been made to work natively. I don't know what you are talking about here. Even if running under rosetta, performance is higher than on last gen Intel macbooks. You are spreading lies.
@@ZhuJo99 exactly. The Photoshop/Premiere Pudget benchmarks still run via Rosetta. With native versions 30-50% performance increases over Rosetta are quite easy to achieve which also shows in the Premiere Render test here. The 4090 only outperforms the M3 Max in 3D-related tasks such as Blender, Cinema4D, Unreal, Unity and especially games. Anything else usually runs better on the Macbook - also without having to worry about throttling or your next electricity bill.
@@ZhuJo99 OK. I have now read that it would be crossover that I would need rather than Rosetta 2 to run my embedded software development x86 windows apps on an Arm Mac. I believe that the extra complexity of running Crossover means that a Mac would be a lot less useful for me to use at work than I thought.
@@ZhuJo99 I have worked for 40 years as an embedded software development engineer. I have never seen a Mac at work because the tools that I use are only available on Windows and Linux. The only use I could make of an Arm Mac at home would be to edit documents and to play x86 Mac steam games under Rosetta 2. Only around 1/4 of my 800 game Steam library would work on a Mac and the 3 times performance penalty means that they would work slower than they would on my rather old i5 gaming PC.
Most people use their laptop at a desk or table where you can plug in. It is great to have good battery life but not a deal breaker unless you do your rendering in the garden or some place with no access to a socket.
So surprising the newest Windows machine still cannot compete. The money is certainly cheaper but if we're not comparing "best bang for the bucket", we're comparing new intel machines that are supposed to compete with Apple Silicon. the new Intel Ultra chips are still slower than the latest i9 too. What the heck is going on
x86 is getting to show it's limits. Soon it will not be possible to use it in laptops, that's a fact. There is a reason why nobody makes serious laptops with it and there are no mobiles with x86. It simply is not possible. And forget about passively cooled laptops like Macbook Air too.
@@ZhuJo99 You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. There are plenty of Windows laptops that destroy even the most kitted out Macbook Pro for a fraction of the price. And while ARM is a little bit more efficient than x86, the large difference here is due to the process architecture - the i9-13980HX is on Intel 7 while the M3 Max is on 3 nm. Once Intel and AMD catch up (as we begin to reach the limits of physical transistor size), the difference in efficiency and battery life will be much smaller. And if you think nobody makes laptops with x86, take a look at the market share for Windows vs. Macs (and remember that many Macs are still running on x86 CPUs).
@@billymania11 Big changes means passively cooled laptops in same category like Macbook Air? With same performance? Same or better GPU? With ability to use such processor in tablets? And running on battery for same time, with small power adapter and not huge 330 W monstrosities with weight of another 1 kg? And regarding processors in same category as M3 Pro/Max with same or better performance, running completely silent for 18 hours and only turning fans when really pushed to limits? Come on, Intel has not been able to do that for like, 30 years, why it should be different? They are NOT able to do that. x86 is a limit here and it will be only worse. Not even AMD is able to do completely passively cooled processor with same performance per watt as M1/M2/M3. Their power consumptions starts at 35 W, while WHOLE M3 Pro 14" Macbook requires 10 W. That means with display turned to 70 %, browsing the web. When under load, it's 60 W for whole machine. I measured it straight from wall.
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the pen enabled touchpad is seriously something i cant believe more companies dont do, as a creator this is pure gold
Why would you when anyone who uses a pen tablet already has a wacom
would u bring wacom everywhere?@@ed61730
It’s annoying as hell using a pen on a wobbly laptop screen that has your arm raised the entire time.
I was suprised that the m3 could keep up with the 4070. Mac is stepping up their GPU game, glad to hear
4070 is not considered the fastest, so imagine what the result will be on ROG Swift 4090 Laptop
@@uribak9144 also imagine how many watts it gonna suck. and gonna last only 30mins on battary.
Possibly due to Dynamice Cache. More efficient use of the GPU.
@@nullptr_yt Well Nvidia is expected to release the RTX 5000s series in 2025. Looking forward to seeing how big of the jump they take next.
It doesn't use that much GPU. Plus 4070 only has 8 GB vRAM.
I was a windows user until I started to get into the technical details between x86 and ARM architecture. Got an MB M3 pro, and even it is pretty expensive I don't regret getting it. Would chose ARM over X86 any time. Apple has the vision for future technologies.
I switched from Windows to Macbook M2 and I am super happy.
Indeed, I was in the same camp before Apple released their M1 MacBooks. I thought, “no way an iPhone chip could run a full desktop.”
Then it came out, and the iPhone chip with 20% more CPU/GPU cores and run at a slight higher clock… was wiping the floor with Intel processors pulling 3-5x more power… life changed at that moment.
changed my windows PC to Apple Mac studio literally regretting it my PC was half the price of this shitty MAC still was 5x more powerfull...
I am surprised that you were able to switch from Windows to a Mac. None of the embedded software development apps that I use at work are available for the Mac. I have never seen a Mac in any company that I have ever worked for because of this problem. Macs are a very niche product for things like video editing. They don't seem to have any other use
@@adityarohilla9396 Linux on desktop PC still > Mac Studio Mac Pro and Studio show the disaster of Apple product? overpriced machine with mediocre performance ...no wonder they called their macbook called their chip M series stand for mobility ...great on mobility
I think a 4090 should have been a more apples to apples comparison as M3 max is Apple's best, whereas a 4090 is almost 2x faster than the 4070 and that will make a huge difference especially in things like GPU effects score etc.
Yep, I was scratching my head with the comparison with the 4070. With the 4090, the prices of the two would come closer but the Windows machine would likely dust the M3 Max in raw, plugged-in performance. That would be the proper comparison IMO.
@@Cowicide 4090 will destroy M3 Max when it comes to brute GPU power. There's a reason why Nvidia didn't bother bringing new laptop GPUs this year, as 4090 is actually untouchable right now.
The thing is, as far as I know there is no 'creator' laptop with the 4090. Yeah, we could get a gaming laptop, but we'd loose some extremely important features that creators need, want. I was quite bummed to hear that ASUS put 'only and rtx 4070 on this 'top range' creator laptop, it should've been a 4080 at minimum to have dual media engines!
And the power draw?? We are speaking of laptops which are ment to be mobile not desktops.
My benchmark 3d classroom renders. M3max 19 sec. Desktop rtx. 3090 17 desktop 4090 7 seconds . M1pro was over 3 minutes… I rendered while unplugged . No throttling while unplugged. M3 max is new. Wait for software support for raytracing . Viewport is so smooth and the entire machine never lag. M4 will be even better.
I've used both and currently have a maxed out M3 Max.
I do like the OLED displays and the haptic trackpad on the Asus as they've finally cloned Apple's design! No longer a springboard.
The Creator I upgraded to 64GB DDR5 5600 but it only runs at 4800. 4TB Samsung 990 Pro SSD. Pretty much maxed out. It's pretty stout for a Windows machine.
However, being like all Windows laptops, performance drops off the cliff when the power cord is unplugged. The creator laptop fan runs all the time and particularly in performance mode, quite annoying and man does it get hot!
It will charge off thunderbolt docks but if you're using a lot of CPU and GPU the battery will still drain even when plugged in.
Also (this is more a Windows issue rather than specific to the Asus machine), HDR is handled poorly. You have to enable it all the time or have it off. Apple does it right and HDR content is displayed in a window or full screen on demand.
I am looking forward to having an OLED display on a future generation of Macbook Pro!
Does the fan get super loud? I'm looking for a windows laptop to record music on
@@vxrock100 It's loud enough (woosh sound) that a mic is going to pick it up from a few feet away.
One glaring mistake: the transistor node sizes are more of a marketing term rather than actual dimensions, so you cannot exactly compare intel 10nm with tsmc 3nm like that. A more accurate comparison would be something like NAND cell density for each of the nodes.
4:20 Something important to be clear at this point. Any process node is not comparable with any other, is just a name made for marketing. Intel 10 nm is not comparable with TSMC 3 nm, so it’s not true that you can fit three times transistors into the same space.
Example: Its density it’s what matters, for example Intel 10 nm is denser than TSCM 7 nm by a little, which is counterintuitive to what people believe. Be careful with the marketing made by some companies. That’s why intel eventually changed their naming scheme to intel 7 process node, to make it seem more accurate to their competition.
Pls like to make everybody know
what u say is true brother, I was also thinking the same when he was emphasizing it.👍
To keep things fair (similar price, similar memorysize) a 4090m laptop would have been better.
It be 2 times the weight and suck the battery dry in 30 minutes. And sounds like a helicopter. Compaired to a M3. If you are a professional Apple is the only way to go if you use the machine on the road. Your time is money 2k can easy be earned back in time saved
@@cheezy2455 Do you really believe that it is possible to perform professional work on Adobe's software only on a battery? Because if you believe that I am ready to give you my dead macbook after the battery has finished all its health due to working only on battery (M2 PRO).
@@uribak9144how long did it takes for your m2 pro macbook to degrades all of its battery health and dead ? What is your cc ? And your usual daily use ?
@@uribak9144yeah you should give me your MacBook. I’ll replace the battery and use it on battery with good apps. Adobe is so washed now.
@@cheezy2455 And how much do you think macbook would hold on during hard work on the battery?
Honestly any "media creator" is far better off using m3 max/pro with davinci resolve studio rather than a windows based laptop even with a 4090. But most people buying super highend windows laptops are usually engineers who need on site computational performance.
Not only that, but the softwares are usually windows only and if there’s a mac support, it’s usually a few updates behinds (looking at you Autodesk). I’ve been a big Apple fan over the years and the new Macbooks are something else over the competition, but with the end of Windows sideloading it’s not an option anymore
Not really, Media Creators is far better off with Win11+AMD.
Great review. I like your balanced approach. Both look like great laptops for different audiences. One thing I really love about my M1 laptop is how quiet it is, even when under load, it barely makes a peep.
Fairly useless review in my opinion. These laptops aren't even in the same league. Test the ProArt against a 16" MacBook Pro that is similarly priced, give or take a couple of $200. That's a fairer comparison. This review is like testing the level of luxury in an Aston Martin to a Mazda.
Or actually test against Windows best, since a 4070 laptop is nowhere near a 4090 laptop (and there are creator laptops with 4090s).
Test the ProArt with a MacBook Pro with a Pro version of the chip. Another thing. You can configure a Widows laptop so that you don't need a TB4 dock, such as a CalDigit. These TB4 accessories are expensive and add to the total cost. And then there is the cost of software upgrades to work with current Apple systems and under Parallels with legacy Windows software. Apples are simply too expensive when factoring in total cost of the device and all necessary accessories and software updates to current ones from legacy software that still might meet one's needs.
Actually I would like see premier running on screen and watching that numbers
@@nocommentarygaming2644Why would anybody with a brain buy a 4090 laptop? The GPU is literally crippled and you could get a desktop for a cheaper price and better performance than many laptops.
@@envynoir Because some people have lives outside their house and need a powerful device while moving between different locations frequently. Gaming laptops wouldn't exist if not for a demand (and thus a reason) for this type of device. Of course desktops give you better performance per dollar, but they sacrifice portability to get that. Both exist for a reason.
For a Dell 7780 you can pay more than €12,000.
Not being able to upgrade my notebook would be a no-go for me. I bought an XMG notebook and started with just 1 TB of storage, because I was sure that storage prices would go down later. That really happened. So I added another 2 TB to the second slot. If I need more in future, I might replace the 1 TB with 4 TB. Then the total cost of my notebook will have reached about 2000 Euros with 6 TB of storage, 64 GB of RAM and a 144 Hz Display.
Nice review. The mac is blazingly fast, but I would still choose the ProArt, more for the money and I prefer that platform.
If you are a serieus creator time is money. You could use a workstation if you want faster tender times. But you are on the go or travel. Apple gives you the freedom to edit any where , you do not need to plug in or worry about battery life. Like he said the battery life is amazing. He can go 1 and 1/2 day on 1 charge. Do multiple renders. Its a amazing machine . asus are just using the wrong cpu. Amd is much more power effecient and are not far behind on the apple nodes. Also there gpu are moving to chiplit designs so more efficiency. And there is a 3th option comming Qualcomm. Windows on arm .. Who knows what the future will bring.
Only use Pro Art 2023 if you don't travel to events. Event examples: Weddings, award shows, concerts, or anniversary parties.
I like windows a lot but windows machines are not great. Windows machines has lot of problem. most common is heat and fan noise. so I switched to Macbook M2
@@cheezy2455 totally agree. Lifelong Windows user & got just a basic 14" M1 Pro and even it's as quick as my 5900X desktop in 90% of tasks. I got it for a little bit of freedom if I need to edit between jobs instead of needing to be tethered to a desk but it's become my primary machine because of how good it is. Totally silent, uses 1/10th the power of my desktop (I even recharge off solar power) and the battery life is insane. Never was a big fan of MacOS and have used plenty of Macs before but Apple Silicon is undeniable. Don't see Windows having an answer for quite some time tbh
@@cheezy2455 1 and half days on a single charge is bs, I couldn't do that on my m3 pro macbook pro (14 inch) even web browsing, let alone with creative / heavy work load apps open. I can suck the battery dry in under 5 hours with any performance software open. The battery life is a lot better than pc laptops but it's not 1 and a half days lol. I can't even do 1 day on battery even without pro apps, but the battery is still obviously impressive. Just lets not pretend you can get 12+ hours of real use.
I got an M2 Pro laptop last year to pair with my built desktop and it was the best decision. The things Apple are doing for creators is amazing. I used to hate apple (and still do), but i cant deny that as a creator machine the mac silicon is amazing. My desktop runs circles around the M2 Pro, but as an on-the-go one, i love my Mac
whats about intel core ultra processors??
Not available to buy yet... :)
Similar performance just some neural cores that apple always had as Neural Engine.
@@iamakkkshayLess power consumption.
@@tonytech5520 Way less power consumption but also way less performance than an i9-13980HX. It will still be at least a year until Intel starts making all their CPUs (including HX ones) on Intel 4 like Meteor Lake is.
I bet you can't even find a Macbook with intel anymore because they was dropped off for the basic task
does it beat M1 in anyway
that the basic CPU by mac making it a Tiny baby to intel which is way bigger
Battery last longer
faster cpu speeds
faster driver updates
supports new Mac updates - which intel can't get easy due to it needs M1 chips which intel can't even beat
i don't have the m3 max but i have the m1 max version and its performance doesn't translate the same as you suggest, a lot of my video editing, motion graphic and 3d work is way better on pc than mac. but sure when the power is plugged in
@@nullptr_yt even when it's plugged, i did tested after effects on my very old pc and it was faster on it than the m1 max, it was faster for preview and render, the same goes with 3D it's not only render time but viewport time, simulation time is faster on pc with an nvidia gpu.
i wish what he is saying is right but on my m1 max it doesn't
I have a M2 Max with 32gb of RAM, and just picked up a ProArt with the RTX 4060 and 32gb of RAM to go along with the Macbook (there were occasions when I needed to run something on x86_64, and ran into a couple programs that needed an RTX gpu). I honestly wish I could combine the two laptops. In my opinion, the OLED screen looks nicer and the ProArt in ways is a sexier laptop with a nice variety of ports, but the M2 Max performs so much better with better battery life. I can easily notice a performance difference when editing photos on the two devices. The M2 Max just runs so much smoother, and you can definitely feel the ProArt chugging along compared to the Macbook (It's still a fast machine in terms of Windows based computers). The Macbook speakers also blow the ProArt's out of the water. I also find Mac OS runs smoother than Windows as well.
Appreciate your input, very useful. Yeah off power the Mac is just so much nicer, but I also would expect Industry leading screen on a 4K Mac.
As soon as you said one is half the price of the other, I could guess right away which one was over priced
Haha
Not over priced, one will last you far longer and will actually hold its value
Was the windows laptop plugged while running the test, as windows perform more when plugged
that means is a full Desktop that can't even be upgrade because the part is needs is a GPU which laptop can't support because is need a 3rd party tool
Given the outperformance by the top-spec M3 Max, it would be good to know which reduced spec MacBook Pro compares more directly with the ProArt & what it's price is.
That would destroy the narrative that was preordained.
What about durability and repairability scores? and what about heat management?
It truly depends on your workflow. The ProArt has a touch screen that can be used with a compatible pen. If you lay the screen flat, you can easily draw on it. It is just too bad that neither Intel, nor AMD, has an answer to the power of the M3.
Try The AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX Laptops
Intel just launched it's ultra processors that seem promising but still do not stack up to apples M series. Let's see what this year has to offer though.
@@00hmath00snapdragons too
AMD would get closer to Apple silicon, as they butcher Intel in efficiency and they use a much smaller process node. I don't understand why laptop manufacturers shun it in favour of Intel every time (although I've heard they're terrible to deal with when it comes to helping out with the design)
@@deeomayall i am a VFX Artist and i Grade as well Apart from AMD Both Apple and Intel Doesnt Fit my Needs, The Ryzen 9 7945HX Laptops Destroys Both AMD and Intel When it comes to Heavy Multi Threaded Loads. on The Desktop Side Even the Best spec'd out Apple M2 ULTRA and on the Desttop Struggles to Beat an RTX 3070 in 3D Rendering.
There is only one way to truly test which laptop is better. Put both of those laptops in max load and then put those laptop on your lap and see which one of them burns your lap due to uncontrollable unsafe heat.
The comparison is not fair. A mid range (4070) versus high end. You should compare it with a RTX 4090 laptop
no point. 10nm will always loose to 3nm. Wait for Lunar lake.
@@level80888 4090 is on 4 nm, what are you talking about?
@@nocommentarygaming2644 intel on 10nn
@@level80888 You have no idea what you are talking about as you are comparing nm's between manufacturers :-D De8bauer made a great video about this exact topic which I would recommend you watch.
@@nocommentarygaming2644 cpu, not gpu
I have a question! Why all the test are mostly related to video editing or 3D on blender, I am a game developer who works with unreal engine 5, and compare to unreal, blender is a lite software( basically). I request an unreal engine 5, unity and maybe ZBrush tests. Because they are what I use and my criterias. Please consider my requests 🙏
Interesting. Your results counter mine directly. Granted I'm testing an M3 Pro rather than Max, but on my Premiere tests my ProArt is about 40% faster than my Mac. I have a standard video that I use for testing Premiere and Resolve... it's a 35 minute video in 4K, footage is a mix of ProRes and XAVC... it has zooming and scaling and lower thirds from After Effects and a LUT across the whole timeline. On my M3 Pro in Premiere it takes 42 minutes to export, and on my ProArt it's done in 23 minutes. Other test projects are yielding similar results. I haven't tested Resolve yet -- working on that soon.
Initially my ProArt was slower, but I discovered that when the screen goes to sleep the CPU goes into a low power mode and only runs at about 15% of its normal speed. So I had to turn off the screen power saving. But once I did that the ProArt was clearly faster than the M3 Pro in every test I threw at it.
Are you talking about the my Asus application? And yes I agree with what you're saying He's the main reason why I decided to get this laptop and then he got stuff wrong in this video that just doesn't make sense, for example it didn't remember it's not a gigabit port it's a 2.5 gigabit port
Could it be the dual Media Engine on the Mx Max chips? Pro only has 1 media engine.
What are the speed differences between the two unplugged ?
@@Mmacrossfirekenai I don’t recall the exact numbers off the top of my head, but the Asus does slow down pretty significantly. I think the render time was in the 45-50 minute range. The Mac was essentially the same as when plugged in.
@@TokyoNeko8 Don’t know. I don’t have access to a Max to test.
Thanks for putting the energy efficiency test in there. It's a great concern for people using solar electricity
The 50 people in woods?
@@razorgarfyou know that people travel. If you are on the move you need a powerful AND efficient machine. Btw i am in a cabin each summer and only have a solar panel. Photos need to be imported and edited even on holidays 😀
Overall, the M3 Max is better for video/photo editors!
I will give credit to Asus Pro Art 2023 as 2nd best for those that do not want MacOS or want to save some money for the business.
Exactly!
I am about buy a laptop for Unreal Engine. Pricewise, the M3 Max makes a lot of sense, but I don't how it would perform with ray tracing. Also, Unreal is prone to glitches and bugs and I am unsure on how the mac would handle it. This would be a real nice content, I think there is a lot of Unreal creators out there asking the same question.
The UE5 engine is a mess of bugs on the Mac, plus no Mac comes close to the capabilities of the 4090, especially on RT.
I don't know if unreal 5 has ray tracing support on mac os yet. From the small amount of tests that actually do that. When reviewing the m3 max. It doesn't support it yet. I really do get annoyed by the lack of review regarding ue5 on m3 macs.
Yes, the 4090 is a monster. But the efficiency of the Mac is tempting. Also, I would love to see how the AMD 7800m performs.
The UE5 engine is no joke, if you really want to work on it in a good and professional way, only a desktop PC with a 4090 and 4080 card. Beyond that, it's a waste of money... It's a different league of performance. There are studios that work with 3 4090 cards together.
@uribak9144 my setup is a 5950x, 128gb ram, rtx 4090 both liquid cooled (here in Brazil it is necessary). The problem is that I need to spend some time on business travels this year, and I need something to at least do some demonstrations to potential clients and do some jobs while traveling. Unfortunately, I can't have my desktop with me.
4:21
You are incorrect here, it definitely does not mean that. Now a days 3nm or 7nm or 10nm do not refer to any dimensions, it is just used to signify what technology the transistors use.
Pretty sure you're wrong. Could you link me to somewhere that states that?
Wow. I wonder how Meteor Lake will turn out in comparison. I use a MacBook Pro M2Pro at work and love it. Lots of power and the battery lasts a long time. At home however, its all PCs (Intel) for me. I like to build my rigs and Apple blocked us modders years ago.
Time will tell how well the OS and different apps will be using the very low power cores in the Meteor Lake CPUs once the updates kick in. This will be interesting.
But what about DaVinci Resolve?
I was really surprised that it wasn't compared.
Plenty of other tests in actual work out there.
DR usually shows an even bigger advantage since the M1 Macbook unless you're editing RAW video. But seems like that has been fixed on the M3 Max.
Prolly it can make M3 look bad.
Can you include Topaz Video AI in the test's?
Nvidia GPU should win.
@@Fordance100 Why?
@@yusufhatake1377 , Nvidia GPUs are good at AI from hardware perspective, more importantly software support. 99% models are trained with Nvidia GPU.
@@Fordance100 No Topaz works differently, as the performance of the graphics card itself is important and Topaz labs is also supposed to work with amd, that's why I'm asking.
@@yusufhatake1377 AMD use HIP to hook up Nvidia cuda. It's not native support. It's slower and buggy.
A laptop with a 4070 is hardly "Window's Best". I get that you're trying to make a snappy, clickable title but this borders on misinformation. A Windows laptop with a 4090 will absolutely destroy Apple in 3D workflows.
*until it starts throttling.
@@DennisSchmitz You have no clue what you're talking about. Nearly all Windows laptops with a 4090 don't throttle (with the exception of the Zephyrus G14). Cooling systems in laptops are much more advanced than you're aware of. Unless you mean power throttling on battery, but nobody's going to me doing complex 3D workflows on battery so that doesn't matter.
@@nocommentarygaming2644actually many Mac users use complex tasks on battery cause they can last for hours compressed to 30 min on windows 😂
@@nocommentarygaming2644 The GPU's in PC laptops are based on the Q-Max versions of the full blown cards, so you're not going to get anywhere near the true performance from what you get on a desktop version of a 4090 for example.
@@mainsequence1055 I'm aware, but I just meant there's no thermal throttling. 4090 laptops are still very powerful by most people's standards.
Can you compare MacBook M3 Max to a 4090 laptop for AI?
Bro compared a $2,500 laptop with a $4,000 laptop and called it a day.
Another Apple TH-camr In The Making
Hahaha, you're new to the channel? :)
@@theTechNotice that's not the point here.
Bruv. He is comparing the best laptop in terms of OS.
The pricing is a secondary factor.
@@AngelFromHeaven000 then the best laptop should've been the Legion 9i
@@sampadkar19 that's sold as a gaming laptop. Which indeed is faster but lacks in different areas.
He was comparing laptops made for productivity only.
For skechup with vray rendering interiors which one will be better ?
what specific specs this macbook pro m3 max has???
was the proart plugged for the performance comparison?
If you want desktop replacement, less price, easier to upgrade, good screen, and big big installed storage, just go into pro art..
But if youre mobile preson, edit to go, using apple ecosystem (iphone, ipad), have money to buy the laptop and external ssd + all dongle hub, and already have windows pc, just go into macbook..
Was the mac with metal rt turned on during the blender gpu test? Anyway, amazing video as always.
That setting even pushes it further.
Still for 3D modelling and gaming, Windows still is the better platform.
For anything else get a Macbook.
What would you recommend for Einstar scanning? Needs lots of ram and Geforce RTX 8 to 12 gb video ram. I9 processor laptop or mobile workstation. Only want to buy once and hopefully last forever. Want to do automotive hot rodding and reverse engineering. I do cad.
Waiting for the Qualcomm X Arm processor based Windows Laptops before my next Laptop upgrade. Still happy with my Alienware m15 r7 for video editing for now.
Based off the tests I've seen so far. That will likely just be another disappointment. I was also waiting because I still prefer windows but if Snapdragon launches and is same old. I will just get a Mac m3 pro
how about mac performance with windows installed in a dedicated partition? Have you had a chance to try that out?
You cant do that with the M series macs due to them being arm based
@@jacksonsmoot9380 damm i didn't know that would prevent you from doing it! Sneaky bastards at apple...
It's a bit like owning a fancy Lamborghini and thinking about strapping some bags on the roof. Kind of an unexpected combo, right? 🤣
@@yndukana2008 you see a lamborghini, i see a way overpayed mercedes 🤣
Hmmm. I don't think this comparison is really fair. The Mac costs a LOT more than the Asus.
Comparing the ASUS with 32GB RAM and 1 TB hard drive with a M3 Pro machine ( the Mac still costs almost $900 more than the equivalent ProArt) the numbers are likely to be a lot more balanced.
Maybe do a followup video with M3 Max vs ROG Swift 4090 Laptop?
If he measures power draw, throttling and noise, sure!
@@DennisSchmitz most don't mind thy use windows
In the "RAW" score does it include Prores RAW because the Apple silicone has dedicated decoders and encoders for their Prores RAW.
could you do a comparison with the m3 max and a ryzen 9 please? :)
Hi! May you please consider comparing these two laptops vs the ASUS Rog Zephyrus G16 2024? Thanks!
Which GPU do you recommend for productivity for AMD Ryzen 5 7600X with 64GB RAM?
"Productivity" in what and with what programs and do you make money with your machine or use it for fun and/or learning. One cannot answer such a broad question. Without any constraints 4090 is the best GPU, but if you had no constraints, why would you buy a 7600X as your CPU?
Are you reading the comments? I've asked three or four times now I want to see the studio book connected to an EGPU I know you have a lot of GPUs I would like you to run through the gauntlet or at least maybe three, this laptop is going to be my desktop replacement so I want to know what type of external upgrades I can do in the future.
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How long does it take for windows taskbar to burn-in with these oled laptops?
Depends on who made the panel and how often it sits there. You can get some temporary image retention but that can even happen on LCDs
I have an off topic question to ask, but you're the only one i can ask this because you've used the products I'm confused about.
In my country both gigabyte aero z690 D and aero z790 G are available for almost the same price.
You think it's worth picking up the older board for the premium features like thunderbolt and 10 gigabit lan?
I've already bought the i5 13500 , in case it's relevant to my query.
Thank you in advance 🙏.
Does thunderbolt has a future? 🤔
@@Y0_ltr I imagine USB 4 will go beyond it. My USB 4 drive works in my TB port but I have no idea if it works the other way around, do you? If it doesn't, that would be a pretty damming thing for those of us with TB drives.
What about vs Ryzen 9, zephyrus duo with rtx 4090 ?
How many fps M3 gets in MSFS2020?
Just one comment on Blender. We need to keep in mind, that with the M3 Max we have unified memory. So if we get more memory we can have scenes in the GPU that the maxed out Pro Art Laptop or any other laptop, and most desktop cannot. For instance, with 64GB of RAM and above, you can have complex scenes in Blender that you'd have to have a desktop RTX 6000 from $6,000 to be able to render in the GPU. And this is another impressive thing that you already covered in another of your videos. We have a laptop competing with a Desktop. And often, winning. But like you said. It doesn't mean that the ProArt cannot be a good option for a person that values the ability to use a pen for their photos and design for example.
Great review. What about fans spinning up and heat differences between them both when under stress?
There is no point even mentioning that - it's like comparing filament bulbs to LED.
X86 is a space heater, not a processor. I got a mac while I wait for the competition to catch up.
get an apple M machine, and you'll forget the fans exist
I see the numbers in a picture.Can I see that software running that numbers?
Please Compare The AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX Laptops against the Apple M3 i think it will be Proper Showdown
It's not the transistor size, it's the CPU architecture
That is what a lot of people say but I feel like that there is room of optimisation for X86. I mean Windows is bloated. And it has large Support for a lot of different Hardware but its not optimised. But I know what you mean maybe RISC based CPUs will take over CISC based CPUs in the Laptop Segment I dont know.
Lol you should have use the new i9 14900HX ....why did you compare old model CPU?
I have a love / hate relationship with Apple; since my first LCII color. I hate how they are so minimalist with the ports and how locked down they are, but love the functionality color accuracy, build and OS. I love the openess and parts availabilty of Lenovo lap tops. Have assembled multiple PC's from hand curated parts over the years, absolutely hate Windows OS 10 and 11. The struggle on both platforms continues.
Same here. I like Apple's durability and battery life, but hate their business practices (especially around RAM).
Asus, Dell, Lenovo, and Framework are great for modularity and flexibility in their business line products. Except for Lenovo business lines, the build quality and durability tend to struggle past 3 years.
I LOVE my 2023 Proart Studiobook but I wish it had the 3d screen everyone made videos of. Only thing I'm not a fan of is the weight of this thing, its HEAVY. By far the best laptop i've ever used and maybe even better then any desktop i've used to date. The proart can go down to 60hz if you want to save battery life, its not only 160
I wouldnt use a 4070 for video editing. You should Ihave used the ROG Swift 4090 Laptop which is closer to price of the Mac
And 10 times the power draw😂
"Only" 3-4x higher than the M3 Max in the last comparison vs the RTX4090 i9 comparison I've seen while still struggling to keep up with video and photo workflows like Resolve and Lightroom.
The M3 Max Macbook was hovering around 70-80W while the RTX4090 machine was around 240W.
@@Superbus753 It's not 10 times the power draw. Under full load a max power 4090 laptop and a max power 4070 only should differ about 40w so well under half.
@@DennisSchmitz that would already be too much. The solar system in the summer cabin can only deliver 12V 10A. Doable with a macbook but not with those power eating windows laptops. Apple offers good power and efficiency.
Recently ordered M2 Pro, 16”. I’m engineer, so I don’t need a lot of GPU cores. Rather a lot of RAM :). Still consider as overpriced, but I’m locked to Apple platform, so I had no choice. M3 Max, from my experience, is ONLY needed for video/3D editing. That is the only gain you get from the Max cpu
I'm a design student, and I'm looking to buy a computer for motion graphics and 3D graphics work. Since I have to work between school, cafe, and home, I have to consider weight, heat, and noise. So MacBook seems like a great option for me. Because it's quiet in most situations, and it does perform well without plugging in a brick-like charger. But considering 3D work, Windows laptops with rtx 40 series graphics cards are quite attractive. I don't have a big budget. What should I do?
You just need to weigh how important each feature is to you. If you're doing any kind of 3D graphics work or AI, then unfortunately you kind of have to stick with a nvidia graphics card.
The MBP has a Mini LED backlit panel with ~10k Mini LEDs doing ~2,5k dimming zones.
It also has proper color management while Windows just stretches sRGB onto a P3 D65 panel 😩
wait what really? @@DennisSchmitz
Where can i confirm this? I've never heard of windows being unable to properly support dci p3 @@DennisSchmitz
You should use result with power chord plugged in
Why on Earth does plugging in affect the display color depth?
think if the display need more power to work is could be saved if they don't make it small battery
the best windows laptop is the zen 4 16c one though?
still no chance against m3max. M3max is 14900K(F) lvl, so even the 7945hx is a good margin behind. Stop the cinebench BS, you need mathematical concepts to test the cpu. Not marketing BS
What happened, you became like all Apple TH-camrs, you can make fun of people without enough knowledge, but those who really understand know that the ROG Swift 4090 Laptop is much faster than the Mac, especially in 3D.
Rog is gaming laptop, not productivity.
@@level80888 It's a joke? Who determined that the ROG Swift 4090 Laptop is not able to do productive work faster than the two laptops here, it has all the necessary hardware.
It's like saying my sports car is not designed for city driving, you realize how ridiculous that sounds.
@@uribak9144Enjoy your 2 hour battery life laptop lol
@@uribak9144 It still is not targetting productivity for professionals its still a goddamn gaming laptop. your analogy would be like buying a lambo to go mudding or to do a rallyrace lol
@@christopherfortineux6937 That's exactly the genius of it, I create content in the UE5 engine and a gaming computer is the best thing to test the games and simulations I've created, actually I work more on a desktop computer but it's also a gaming computer. Both work and entertainment and pleasure at the same price... Honestly, that's what I miss in the Mac a lot, just a boring platform.
TL;DR - If you need to do "heavy lifting" tasks, like rendering 4K videos, just using the battery, then go with the Macbook. Otherwise, if you just want to save money, and you typically work near an outlet, then go with the Asus ProArt.
Honest video - you pointed plus and minus for both.
Best Man!
Thank you very much for this comparison!!!
This is what I was waiting for so long!
Now I know what to buy, or lets say. After this figures I am even more convinced what fits to my needs 😊
THANK YOU ❤
You can squeeze more performance out of macOS if you're willing to fine-tune some nvram and kernel parameters...
4:51 Fractal North about to say hello to gravity!
Great review. Do some people believe EVERYONE games? For those of us who don’t, I really appreciate this comparison.
Thanks for the review and also showcasing the Old Town of Riga :) I just wanted to chip in and say that I hope that the physical dial on the Proart is better than the one on the Zenbook Pro 14. I didn't get the laptop because of that, but nevertheless I was hopeful for the innovation, however I found it slowing me down in Photoshop. Keyboard shortcuts are way faster in my opinion and if you use an external mouse than I doubt one can beat that combo :)
point of story that here is not about who have better cpu so much then for which company/cpu applications/softwares are better optimised
Wait this has 4070?
How is that windows best?
The 4090 blows the 4070 out of the water.
Is this a pro apple advertisement?
Get a 4090 best window laptop and then compare.
A 4090 laptop card is worse than a desktop 4070 at times lol
@@UnidentifiedGecko
It's never better. Not in anything. The 4090 laptop beats the 4070 desktop (by a small margin though).Go check out the framerates yourself.
The 4080 desktop beats the 4090 laptop though
@@h1a8 oh I think I meant the Ti mb. None the less still crazy how much a difference power consumption makes in a graphics card
3D pro creators will buy Threadripper processors and multi gpu configs, not laptops. Test the 2023 M2 Apple Mac Pro Vs your Oppenheimer workstation...or...the new Mac Studio M3 Ultra 32 cores Vs the PRO WS TRX50 + 7975WX Threadripper 32 cores + 2XRTX4090
Serious Pro creators will do exactly this
The difference is really too much if this is really the fastest windows laptop. But that MacOS is just not for me! Is there anything faster in windows? Maybe gaming series? Cuz anyway this ‘creator’ laptop hardly lasts 1 hour of active heavy use so a gaing laptop won’t be much of a difference. Windows users have to settle with bad battery life but it is still better imo to using the MacOS. Great video btw. But i really wished you actually did a more complex testing like converting 10k 45MP RAW files with edits (use a preset) into JPEGs, or using AI based softwares like aftershoot for facial recognition and stuff, maybe some really heavy vfx renders, not just blender benchmarks but other softwares that actual professionals in the field use, exporting from AE, working with complex vectors in Illustrator, etc. I mean my specific use case is doing tonnes of stuff with LR but I believe pros (not youtubers but actual industry pros or indie pros) would have their use cases much more complex. I mean benchmarks are good but they aren’t real world scenarios where I maybe exporting from LR but also at the same time editing a video in davinci or compositing a fusion fx or running a script in photoshop, etc. And I have seen windows laptops even 2x the cost of this Macbook where I live. So what’s the deal with those? If this is the fastest ‘creator’ laptop and is 1/2 the price, what about those expensive windows ‘gaming’ laptops with all creator needing specs like the oleds, the dci-p3, the 10bit color, etc?
Hello! Thanks for the detailed comparison. Can you test the after effects next time? There is a benchmark for this - SHOCK BENCH AE
I do not like the ProArt laptop because of the battery performance, the benchmark performance on the battery and the design. It's a subjective matter, but I prefer the M2/M3 design. I mean, if you buy a laptop, the purpose is portability. Of course, if you are a designer working on an office desk all day, you want to bring your computer home after work to continue working on some projects or even for personal usage (why not), you will always have an electric plug nearby. However, if your laptop is provided by your company, they will likely choose a Lenovo or another PC laptop if they care about their inventory cost. This is where PC laptops have an advantage over Macs : the pricetag. If you can pick your own laptop for work, it probably means that you are self-employed or a professional who doesn't need to use an encrypted company VPN to work. In this case, you can get a tax credit if you add your laptop as a work expense and the pricetag will likely be less of a problem. This is what my uncle does : he is a professional photographer with a website and he's incorporated but self-employed. His MacBook Pro went on his corporate credit card and adds it as a corporate expense. So if you're willing to buy a laptop for professional reasons, cost should not be a big deal for a laptop unless you are buying a huge inventory of laptops and you need to watch the expenses for your equipment inventory. Also it depends what you do because PC has a better software compatibility. That being said, if you want to work from a coffee shop, during your travels or even in the comfort of your balcony in your forest cottage, the battery performance is essential. Apple brings you way more portability and a true laptop experience.
try one with M3 Pro with the new Asus 2024 G16 AI Intel CPU?
One extra thing: If you are using linux to code, a lot of packages don't work well for specialized areas in MacOS ARM. In a windows laptop, you can install linux. Thats why I abandoned a MAC to a Windows laptop + linux.
No davinci benchmark? 😢
Now compare the proart to a m3 pro MacBook that you can get for the same $2499 price
Finally came the day when I actually bought an M3 Max because of my man here with amazing Content Creators focused videos.
Well,,, given the resolution limit on the Asus,,,,,,, that’s a big big limitation. 😢
Windows due to it's HAL structure and backward compatibility will always means it's not as lean when using the same configuration, and x86 will be less energy efficient due to CISC being more robust. The trade off is that Windows have cheap devices running on Pentium and Athlon, and can run many ancient DOS Apps, it also have touch screen laptops and convertibles, you will have to get Ipad Pro to get Touch Screen on Apple. Windows is just more diverse.
A Mac laptop is not better than the latest AMD or Intel laptops for most users. This is because native ARM versions of most apps are not available and most people will end up running x86 versions of their apps using Rosetta 2. Apps running under Rosetta 2 are several times slower than native apps. The worst people to review Macs are TH-camrs because of the very good native ARM apps available for video editing, which is all that they ever talk about.
That's a no se. Basically all apps have been made to work natively. I don't know what you are talking about here. Even if running under rosetta, performance is higher than on last gen Intel macbooks.
You are spreading lies.
@@ZhuJo99 exactly. The Photoshop/Premiere Pudget benchmarks still run via Rosetta. With native versions 30-50% performance increases over Rosetta are quite easy to achieve which also shows in the Premiere Render test here.
The 4090 only outperforms the M3 Max in 3D-related tasks such as Blender, Cinema4D, Unreal, Unity and especially games. Anything else usually runs better on the Macbook - also without having to worry about throttling or your next electricity bill.
@@ZhuJo99 OK. I have now read that it would be crossover that I would need rather than Rosetta 2 to run my embedded software development x86 windows apps on an Arm Mac. I believe that the extra complexity of running Crossover means that a Mac would be a lot less useful for me to use at work than I thought.
@@paulharrison8379 always use what you actually need for work, not what you like to have. It's nonsense to create x86 Windows software on a Mac.
@@ZhuJo99 I have worked for 40 years as an embedded software development engineer. I have never seen a Mac at work because the tools that I use are only available on Windows and Linux.
The only use I could make of an Arm Mac at home would be to edit documents and to play x86 Mac steam games under Rosetta 2. Only around 1/4 of my 800 game Steam library would work on a Mac and the 3 times performance penalty means that they would work slower than they would on my rather old i5 gaming PC.
Most people use their laptop at a desk or table where you can plug in. It is great to have good battery life but not a deal breaker unless you do your rendering in the garden or some place with no access to a socket.
Can work on the go without plugin the laptop already a big win for me.
I can finish more projects.
Great video. Thank you
So surprising the newest Windows machine still cannot compete. The money is certainly cheaper but if we're not comparing "best bang for the bucket", we're comparing new intel machines that are supposed to compete with Apple Silicon. the new Intel Ultra chips are still slower than the latest i9 too. What the heck is going on
x86 is getting to show it's limits. Soon it will not be possible to use it in laptops, that's a fact.
There is a reason why nobody makes serious laptops with it and there are no mobiles with x86. It simply is not possible.
And forget about passively cooled laptops like Macbook Air too.
@@ZhuJo99 You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. There are plenty of Windows laptops that destroy even the most kitted out Macbook Pro for a fraction of the price. And while ARM is a little bit more efficient than x86, the large difference here is due to the process architecture - the i9-13980HX is on Intel 7 while the M3 Max is on 3 nm. Once Intel and AMD catch up (as we begin to reach the limits of physical transistor size), the difference in efficiency and battery life will be much smaller.
And if you think nobody makes laptops with x86, take a look at the market share for Windows vs. Macs (and remember that many Macs are still running on x86 CPUs).
Meteor Lake is where you will see the big changes from Intel.
@@billymania11 True but they perform far worse overall than the Raptor Lake HX CPUs due to their reduced clock speeds and core counts.
@@billymania11 Big changes means passively cooled laptops in same category like Macbook Air? With same performance? Same or better GPU? With ability to use such processor in tablets?
And running on battery for same time, with small power adapter and not huge 330 W monstrosities with weight of another 1 kg?
And regarding processors in same category as M3 Pro/Max with same or better performance, running completely silent for 18 hours and only turning fans when really pushed to limits?
Come on, Intel has not been able to do that for like, 30 years, why it should be different? They are NOT able to do that. x86 is a limit here and it will be only worse.
Not even AMD is able to do completely passively cooled processor with same performance per watt as M1/M2/M3.
Their power consumptions starts at 35 W, while WHOLE M3 Pro 14" Macbook requires 10 W. That means with display turned to 70 %, browsing the web. When under load, it's 60 W for whole machine. I measured it straight from wall.
I'd love to see the NVIDIA pro cards tested against the M3.
A quality review. thank you.
Pro Art needs windows 11 pro for workstation to utilize the cores and scheduling