Bravo Doctors Fuhrman & Goldhammer. Thanks to your writings and recommendations I stopped eating added salt over 30 years ago, and happily SOS free now. No residential program required.
I really appreciate the doctors explaining why they're giving those different answers, and being able to then make an informed choice from where I am as well as better understand other people's choices because of where they are 💗
It makes sense we shouldn't be eating rock salt. We need celery and greens. From what I was told, animals only use salt licks when they are low on greens and, therefore, sodium.
Dr. Popper is right. Very few people can go directly from the SAD to vegan sos. In my case it took time. I started by adding fruits and veggies. Then a week later I stopped processed food. The following week I stopped animal products. The week after I stopped added salt. If I had tried to do it all at once, I don't think I could have. Yes if I had the money to go inpatient to True North or Furman Retreat I could have done cold turkey. In real life change is hard and there are many moving parts to the equation. As a layperson I say do whatever it takes time reach the goal of a healthy diet even if sustainability means a slightly slower route. What is a month or two trajectory to healthy diet compared to the rest of your life? Very little time. Some of us need baby steps.
I didn't know sodium existed in natural foods, but it makes sense. Paleolithic humans didn't extract salt and survived so many years with NONE of proccessed salt. That's BIG help, super insightful and revolutionary for me. I knew something was wrong with salt. I'm so grateful for this, thank you so much!
How would the 10 millions others wild species survive and thrive without salt shaker if sodium wasnt in all whole plant foods including fruits, our biological sodium need is only around 100-200mg daily long term. nutritionfacts.org/video/high-blood-pressure-may-be-a-choice/
@@maxmwegerano7400 Big bruh moment to all those doctors who say you need to eat salt. Damn it feels good to know how easier it is to be healthy. Just eat whole foods plant based, no extra stuff.
Having grown up in a family of hunters, I can assure you with 100% confidence that deer seek out salt licks. I've seen the results of their stopping to lick salt placed out to lure them in. The result filled my freezer as a child.
Those salt licks for animals are made by humans. How many actually exist in nature? I don't know of any that I've ever seen walking in the woods. Just being devil's advocate! I'm truly trying to understand the situation myself.
I think our systems are a bit different than servid or ruminant critters. Dr. McDougal says we're starchivores, sugar seekers. He also advocates salt... 🧂
@literalnewsheadlines9149 I'm passing out in the progress.I'm trying to heal back inflammation. With no salt but I can barely get through the day! Eating so much celery.
8:47 I've actually experienced that one and I though I was the only one. When I eat plant based whole foods only, I can tolerate heat abnormally good. I thought it was the absence of inflammation which causes our body temperature to rise but I guess it has to do with proccessed sodium intake as well.
Not so much heat specifically, but I used to have a sun sensitivity (PMLE); as little as 20 minutes of indirect Oklahoman sun made me blister. That went away once I started eating whole food plant based.
I exclusively eat a whole food plant based diet. I exercise daily, both my heart rate(42 bpm at rest) and blood pressure are very low. I add 3/4 teaspoon of Himalayan salt. Cutting out salt makes me extremely dizzy and fatigued.
If you try to limit it, don't completely stop it though, your body may adapt as the guy said. You may feel as energetic without it. Except if you have some special condition and your blood pressure is like that.
@@Joseph1NJ well it's way better than most salts. At least it doesn't have any additives. I assume the only reason they hate it is that it lacks iodine. I don't have to worry about that. I get iodine from a different source.
@@tonyg_fgc8152 Yes, I'll try to gradually reduce it instead of completely removing it and see how it goes. I just hope I don't faint in a middle of a training session.
@@quietstormaps struggle is real! been using Benson Seasonings, I'll pick up some Dulse tomorrow. What exactly is it and what amounts did you use? And when you buy it isn't contaminated with other garbage?
@@tonymaurice4157 Benson Table Tasty is a really great salt replacement. I use Aqua Veggies dulse. It's organic with no contamination from what I know. I order it off of Amazon and use about 2 tbsp a day.
What a great conversation. They all have really valid points. I love Dr. Fuhrman's knowledge about sodium toxicity, but he's wrong about human's not seeking out salt in our natural environment. Salt at one time was more valuable than gold and was traded like a commodity because it was so important for human health. Also love Pam Popper's statements. She is maybe the only one who is actually dealing with the majority of people in their "natural habitat." She's right.
I think people need to know the truth. All this time I have known that salt is not good for you but I never knew the reason why, so I never cut it out of my diet. If I had known all the things in this video I would have tried harder. Now, I'm finally convinced to cut the salt. It's not fair to withhold this information just because you think people will not even try to eat better because it's too much to deal with. Not fair at all. Tell the truth, and let us decide for ourselves and we can start with the basics and improve from there. Just help people get over the all or nothing attitude because it's that attitude that leads to failure, not the truth.
@@tonymaurice4157 I believe some people do need a little. I wrote this comment a long time ago. If you drink a lot of water, or if you exercise and sweat a lot you probably need some.
It is actually true. There are certain animals that do seek out salts and will climb on ridges in order to get to them. But that is because they require it and should not be compared to humans needs. We don't need to aquire salts as they do. I don't use salts. But it is very unrealistic in expecting to avoid it altogether. So many suitable products for Plant Base Use have some amount of salt. All one can do is to look for the lowest salt contents.
Good grief, every deer hunter in Appalachia knows you put out salt blocks to attract deer. Dr. Mills is 100% in what he said. Dr. Furhman, you border on rude.
How would the panel of doctors comment on the following statements: 1/ If our food does not taste good, we cannot absorb it well. 2/If a lot of water/liquids is consumed, like in hot weather, we need salt in order to avoid hyponatremia. 3/ High food consumption is a problem of the mind, not of the body. It is called gluttony. Therefore, the mind should be treated first and the body- after.
On point 3, when I eat WFPB SOS my gluttony goes away. I think gluttony is because the big food companies have specifically engineered their foods to be highly addicting to most people. For years I thought my gluttony represented a psychiatric sort of illness. Imagine my surprise when it went away on the wfpb sos way of eating. I am set free. Not sure if my experience is typical or atypical.
@@happycook6737 If it is just the processed industrial food that makes you consume more, I'd totally agree. However, there are people who can overeat on anything- they just love eating and eating a lot and that is all there is to it... And I'm talking real food here, freshly-made from high-quality ingredients- e.g Mediterranean local cuisine...how would a glutton resist overeating on such delicious stuff?
Lack of added and preadded salt can lead to reduced stomach acid in half. And this leads to problems. I went to WFPBSOS diet to reduce my BP from 140/90 to 105/70 and lower and stop pills. But I had constant heartburn, chest pain and throat pain without knowing the reason. I read that lack of salt can increase cholesterol and TG. My TC and LDL only decreased slightly. My TG increased a lot. So I am adding salt to my food (no processed food) and I already have improvement in my heartburn. No effect on BP yet. I had no problem ditching salt from taste perspective. No addiction problem there. How are people with no salt consumption getting Cl to produce stomach acid? I have no problem eating no salt but how to produce enough stomach acid? Where to get Cl from? I do not buy this compliance issue - when it is up to health people comply.
@@kerstinschuster4451 I stopped all fruit and oats, added some seeds and TG went from over 240 to 66. Also TC dropped to 170 from over 190. Also ApoB from 98 to 89. Added salt and BP did not move up. Sometimes it still drops below 100/70.
Dr fuhrman explained it. It happens when you go from very salty to no salt very quickly because your body is used to excrete a lot of salt because you ate too much of it. So it is transient. You can reduce your salt slowly over time to avoid passing out. If you are at very little or no salt after some time you are fine, even when doing sports. He said all of it.
Then why do animals travel 10s of miles to lick salt off of salt caves??? Why do horses and other animals crave and lick salt blocks on hot days??? Please im SOOOOO confused about salt and i wanna put it to rest once and for all.. Why are we still arguing about this? Why are there no solid studies about this that we can all agree on??? What about other Electrolytes??? Potassium magnesium excetera are those dangerous to???
This is wrong. They’re basing they’re studies off of people you eat the standard American diet. We need good sodium and a lot of it specially when we’re working out or doing a lot of physical activity. Sodium is a very important electrolyte. Processed salts are the problem not natural salt
Yeah sodium is a very important electrolyte, what he said though was that we take all we need from natural foods, no need to add anything on top. Also we don't just lose sodium when we work out, he specifically talked about this! It's the excess salt we eat that gets excreted with sweat. If you cut adding salt, your body will retain the one it gets from natural foods and it won't go away with your sweat, you'll just sweat.
Possibly just autism spectrum .. the data didn't fit into the box so it feels like sharp corners and may take a bit to be assimilated. Or maybe I'm projecting :) just want to give him the benefit of the doubt
Have you compared data with Hindu Indians majority of whom are all vegetarians. How does their health stats compare to the rest of the non vegetarian people.
Does anyone else find Fuhrman a tad too obnoxious? Rude to Mills. He is so intolerant of anyone who isn't on his bandwagon. Even when he speaks about nutrition you can hear the hostility in his voice. I guess when you think you have found the light, 'unhealthy' mere mortals like us are below contempt.
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Bravo Doctors Fuhrman & Goldhammer. Thanks to your writings and recommendations I stopped eating added salt over 30 years ago, and happily SOS free now. No residential program required.
I'm passing out without salt. Celery just doesn't give me enough
@@tonymaurice4157Did you wake up?
I love how Dr. Goldhammer is nodding at everything Dr. Fuhrman says. Love those guys!!🙌🏼🤓❤️
I really appreciate the doctors explaining why they're giving those different answers, and being able to then make an informed choice from where I am as well as better understand other people's choices because of where they are 💗
Moderation what Popper says is what kept me on a yoyo diet. It's best to quit cold turkey.
It makes sense we shouldn't be eating rock salt. We need celery and greens. From what I was told, animals only use salt licks when they are low on greens and, therefore, sodium.
Dr. Popper is right. Very few people can go directly from the SAD to vegan sos. In my case it took time. I started by adding fruits and veggies. Then a week later I stopped processed food. The following week I stopped animal products. The week after I stopped added salt. If I had tried to do it all at once, I don't think I could have. Yes if I had the money to go inpatient to True North or Furman Retreat I could have done cold turkey. In real life change is hard and there are many moving parts to the equation. As a layperson I say do whatever it takes time reach the goal of a healthy diet even if sustainability means a slightly slower route. What is a month or two trajectory to healthy diet compared to the rest of your life? Very little time. Some of us need baby steps.
We love all of these people and their answers 🥦❤
I didn't know sodium existed in natural foods, but it makes sense. Paleolithic humans didn't extract salt and survived so many years with NONE of proccessed salt. That's BIG help, super insightful and revolutionary for me. I knew something was wrong with salt. I'm so grateful for this, thank you so much!
Celery and Swiss Chard and big sources of sodium.
Bruh ofc it does why would u require to chew rocks it doesn't even remotely make sense.
How would the 10 millions others wild species survive and thrive without salt shaker if sodium wasnt in all whole plant foods including fruits, our biological sodium need is only around 100-200mg daily long term.
nutritionfacts.org/video/high-blood-pressure-may-be-a-choice/
@@maxmwegerano7400 Big bruh moment to all those doctors who say you need to eat salt. Damn it feels good to know how easier it is to be healthy. Just eat whole foods plant based, no extra stuff.
I'm passing out without salt. Celery just doesn't give me enough
I put salt on everything,I didn't realize it..I'm stopping starting today!
No your not 😂
I'm passing out without salt. Celery just doesn't give me enough
@@tonymaurice4157Did you wake up again?
Having grown up in a family of hunters, I can assure you with 100% confidence that deer seek out salt licks. I've seen the results of their stopping to lick salt placed out to lure them in. The result filled my freezer as a child.
Lol nice thx info
What’s your point
Finished video.. I got your point. The doctor that said that it wasn’t true should get smacked
But bears and raccoons will seek out people junk food too...
Those salt licks for animals are made by humans. How many actually exist in nature? I don't know of any that I've ever seen walking in the woods. Just being devil's advocate! I'm truly trying to understand the situation myself.
Dr Milton is right. Deer,goat ,elephant,etc.. wild animals eat natural salt and minerals as they need
Yes I'm for Milton on that one and he also had facts and studies to back up his information.
I think our systems are a bit different than servid or ruminant critters.
Dr. McDougal says we're starchivores, sugar seekers. He also advocates salt... 🧂
Then why is he overweight?
I'm passing out in the progress.I'm trying to heal back inflammation. With no salt but I can barely get through the day! Eating so much celery.
He thinks humans are herbivores though? Humans, like all hominids and primates, have a frugivorous digestive system.
I'm for Dr Milton!
Why?
@literalnewsheadlines9149
I'm passing out in the progress.I'm trying to heal back inflammation. With no salt but I can barely get through the day! Eating so much celery.
This is really edifying, thank you.
8:47 I've actually experienced that one and I though I was the only one. When I eat plant based whole foods only, I can tolerate heat abnormally good. I thought it was the absence of inflammation which causes our body temperature to rise but I guess it has to do with proccessed sodium intake as well.
I used to sweat like a pig when I was omnivorous. My work buddies are all sweating more than me so it must be the diet.
i can say for myself that since i lost weight and never ate added salt foods. heat doesnt bother me as it would back then.
Not so much heat specifically, but I used to have a sun sensitivity (PMLE); as little as 20 minutes of indirect Oklahoman sun made me blister. That went away once I started eating whole food plant based.
It's so true!
I exclusively eat a whole food plant based diet. I exercise daily, both my heart rate(42 bpm at rest) and blood pressure are very low. I add 3/4 teaspoon of Himalayan salt. Cutting out salt makes me extremely dizzy and fatigued.
"Himalayan bullshit salt," Dr Michael Greger. Jus sayin'
7:15
If you try to limit it, don't completely stop it though, your body may adapt as the guy said. You may feel as energetic without it. Except if you have some special condition and your blood pressure is like that.
@@Joseph1NJ well it's way better than most salts. At least it doesn't have any additives. I assume the only reason they hate it is that it lacks iodine. I don't have to worry about that. I get iodine from a different source.
@@tonyg_fgc8152 Yes, I'll try to gradually reduce it instead of completely removing it and see how it goes. I just hope I don't faint in a middle of a training session.
This video was my wake up call. I struggle with adding salt to my food. That's gotta change.
I'm passing out without salt. Celery just doesn't give me enough
@@tonymaurice4157 I was able to kick the salt habit. I use dulse in my food and it has been a life saver. I know the struggle, lol.
@@quietstormaps struggle is real! been using Benson Seasonings, I'll pick up some Dulse tomorrow. What exactly is it and what amounts did you use? And when you buy it isn't contaminated with other garbage?
@@tonymaurice4157 Benson Table Tasty is a really great salt replacement. I use Aqua Veggies dulse. It's organic with no contamination from what I know. I order it off of Amazon and use about 2 tbsp a day.
@@quietstormaps But
Isn't dulse loaded with sea salt?
Do they wash off the sea salt?
What a great conversation. They all have really valid points. I love Dr. Fuhrman's knowledge about sodium toxicity, but he's wrong about human's not seeking out salt in our natural environment. Salt at one time was more valuable than gold and was traded like a commodity because it was so important for human health. Also love Pam Popper's statements. She is maybe the only one who is actually dealing with the majority of people in their "natural habitat." She's right.
I think people need to know the truth. All this time I have known that salt is not good for you but I never knew the reason why, so I never cut it out of my diet. If I had known all the things in this video I would have tried harder. Now, I'm finally convinced to cut the salt. It's not fair to withhold this information just because you think people will not even try to eat better because it's too much to deal with. Not fair at all. Tell the truth, and let us decide for ourselves and we can start with the basics and improve from there. Just help people get over the all or nothing attitude because it's that attitude that leads to failure, not the truth.
I'm passing out without salt. Celery just doesn't give me enough
@@tonymaurice4157 I believe some people do need a little. I wrote this comment a long time ago. If you drink a lot of water, or if you exercise and sweat a lot you probably need some.
@flattlandermontgomery1524 seaweed Finally balanced me out and that way I don't use table salt anymore
Extremely valuable health information 🙏
I'm passing out in the progress.I'm trying to heal back inflammation. With no salt but I can barely get through the day! Eating so much celery.
Pam has the wisdom
Then why is she wearing makeup?
I'm passing out in the progress.I'm trying to heal back inflammation. With no salt but I can barely get through the day! Eating so much celery.
@@Hisloyalservantslistenlove613c prolly because she wants to
@@tonymaurice4157 maybe sprinkle a little bit, just to get acclimated and slowly taking it out?
@@aquie4d999 No.Because then I will get more inflamed than my pressure will go up
It is actually true. There are certain animals that do seek out salts and will climb on ridges in order to get to them.
But that is because they require it and should not be compared to humans needs. We don't need to aquire salts as they do.
I don't use salts. But it is very unrealistic in expecting to avoid it altogether. So many suitable products for Plant Base
Use have some amount of salt.
All one can do is to look for the lowest salt contents.
If you're saying they seek it out because they require it, why would humans be so different as to not require salt?
I'm passing out without salt. Celery just doesn't give me enough
Great video
Good grief, every deer hunter in Appalachia knows you put out salt blocks to attract deer. Dr. Mills is 100% in what he said. Dr. Furhman, you border on rude.
I feel like the 2 guys on the left are basically saying, "do exactly what we say or you will be left behind". Sounds like the W.E.F, etc.
I am not plant based but think I have been mislead in eating sodium chloride . Starting a liquid diet for the week then doing some fasting !
How would the panel of doctors comment on the following statements:
1/ If our food does not taste good, we cannot absorb it well.
2/If a lot of water/liquids is consumed, like in hot weather, we need salt in order to avoid hyponatremia.
3/ High food consumption is a problem of the mind, not of the body. It is called gluttony. Therefore, the mind should be treated first and the body- after.
On point 3, when I eat WFPB SOS my gluttony goes away. I think gluttony is because the big food companies have specifically engineered their foods to be highly addicting to most people. For years I thought my gluttony represented a psychiatric sort of illness. Imagine my surprise when it went away on the wfpb sos way of eating. I am set free. Not sure if my experience is typical or atypical.
@@happycook6737 If it is just the processed industrial food that makes you consume more, I'd totally agree. However, there are people who can overeat on anything- they just love eating and eating a lot and that is all there is to it... And I'm talking real food here, freshly-made from high-quality ingredients- e.g Mediterranean local cuisine...how would a glutton resist overeating on such delicious stuff?
Lack of added and preadded salt can lead to reduced stomach acid in half. And this leads to problems. I went to WFPBSOS diet to reduce my BP from 140/90 to 105/70 and lower and stop pills. But I had constant heartburn, chest pain and throat pain without knowing the reason. I read that lack of salt can increase cholesterol and TG. My TC and LDL only decreased slightly. My TG increased a lot. So I am adding salt to my food (no processed food) and I already have improvement in my heartburn. No effect on BP yet. I had no problem ditching salt from taste perspective. No addiction problem there. How are people with no salt consumption getting Cl to produce stomach acid? I have no problem eating no salt but how to produce enough stomach acid? Where to get Cl from? I do not buy this compliance issue - when it is up to health people comply.
High triglycerides come from too much sugar, even natural sugars.
@@kerstinschuster4451 I stopped all fruit and oats, added some seeds and TG went from over 240 to 66. Also TC dropped to 170 from over 190. Also ApoB from 98 to 89. Added salt and BP did not move up. Sometimes it still drops below 100/70.
Hah, totally agree with Pamela and Alan. They're both right. 😂
I'm passing out without salt. Celery just doesn't give me enough
Dr fuhrman explained it. It happens when you go from very salty to no salt very quickly because your body is used to excrete a lot of salt because you ate too much of it. So it is transient. You can reduce your salt slowly over time to avoid passing out. If you are at very little or no salt after some time you are fine, even when doing sports. He said all of it.
Thx
Then why do animals travel 10s of miles to lick salt off of salt caves??? Why do horses and other animals crave and lick salt blocks on hot days??? Please im SOOOOO confused about salt and i wanna put it to rest once and for all.. Why are we still arguing about this? Why are there no solid studies about this that we can all agree on???
What about other Electrolytes??? Potassium magnesium excetera are those dangerous to???
…to be continued, Fuhrman vs Mills.
I'm passing out in the progress.I'm trying to heal back inflammation. With no salt but I can barely get through the day! Eating so much celery.
We eat it for the iodine do we not?
I think the main factor is advertisement. To compete with the food industry threre would have to be an equal amount of advertisement.
I'm passing out in the progress.I'm trying to heal back inflammation. With no salt but I can barely get through the day! Eating so much celery.
This is wrong. They’re basing they’re studies off of people you eat the standard American diet. We need good sodium and a lot of it specially when we’re working out or doing a lot of physical activity. Sodium is a very important electrolyte. Processed salts are the problem not natural salt
Yeah sodium is a very important electrolyte, what he said though was that we take all we need from natural foods, no need to add anything on top. Also we don't just lose sodium when we work out, he specifically talked about this! It's the excess salt we eat that gets excreted with sweat. If you cut adding salt, your body will retain the one it gets from natural foods and it won't go away with your sweat, you'll just sweat.
Guys you're on the same team..stop your you know what
All farmers put out salt blocks for their cows, they do need salt,
Oh nice ending
00:53 man on the right of the table is sleeping
Oh she sends people to him
Dr Fuhrman is not a listener. Dr Popper pays attention to her patient.
?? Ego?? Feeling superior??
Possibly just autism spectrum .. the data didn't fit into the box so it feels like sharp corners and may take a bit to be assimilated. Or maybe I'm projecting :) just want to give him the benefit of the doubt
@@BethShearon you are definitely projecting.
@@JustChill-zd4ib thank you for commenting; I wanted to find this yesterday and had no idea where it was
Have you compared data with Hindu Indians majority of whom are all vegetarians. How does their health stats compare to the rest of the non vegetarian people.
“Processed” salt as opposed to what?
Sodium that exists in natural foods.
Natural salt in veggies like celery
@@traciekenney oh man is celery salty. It is so noticeable in my daily salad.
And Fuhrman makes an ass out of himself yet again.
Pam Popper = B list.
Go carnivore not vegan!
Omg. How did a lion learn to type?
Carnivore is nonsense.
Does anyone else find Fuhrman a tad too obnoxious? Rude to Mills. He is so intolerant of anyone who isn't on his bandwagon. Even when he speaks about nutrition you can hear the hostility in his voice. I guess when you think you have found the light, 'unhealthy' mere mortals like us are below contempt.
all plant based people are like that
@@incorectulpoliticRight. That's why everyone I know loves to use any excuse they can to continue brutalizing animals.
That woman was more annoying than the guy so no idea what you talking about
Who is that woman ugh she doesn't get.