Jay should stick to telling people to GO OUT AND BY A RTX3090 right now for $1200 while you can :) .. that also aged really well.. he is on a roll this guy! Whatever he does... do the opposite and you should be golden. haha
why would he? he just made videos covering the issue, his CPU wasnt even affected. unlike his AMD CPU which WAS unstable. thats the reality - intel is more stable at its worst than AMD at its best. cope harder
7800x3D with Gigabyte b650 elite, gskill 6000 ram and 4090, been stable, no bluescreens, no slow startups. PBO on -30 and it's been good. It was my first build since owning a 4790k so was kind of nervous about not making any mistakes but thank God its been working great.
Yeah I myself have a 7950x3d build. Been stable with 6000 ram since day one. Really don’t know what Jay’s issue is but there’s no way in hell you give up the best gaming cpu and go for power hungry intel.
@@MustafaGT the issue is that Jay simply loves Intel and that's it. No other excuse or whatever - not sure why not just say it straightforward, same as he builds everything on GeForce cards. It's fine to be brand-fan and stick to it as long as it's good, but just damn admit it...
@@D2ee2aKolYoum 13th and 14th generation intel chips are experiencing severe stability issues. It's suspected that there is degradation of the chip itself under normal (not overclocked) loads. It starts with a few crashes here and there. The crashes become more frequent. It culminates in blue screens of death.
Having used both (well a 7800x3d) the stability issues on the AMD was worse for me. I already knew to set the power limits for the intel out of the box due to reading about it 6 months ago on a reddit post. I’d rather pay more for more stability, and for my use case the 14900k has lived up to that offered me better performance.
@@sav22rem22 Can't tell if you're attempting to be humorous or don't understand how different components with the same CPU can lead to different results.
Im still on am4 5900x its been such a great cpu and i will upgrade to the 9900x when it comes out next year. Getting first gen am5 was brave for anybody who did it but i thank them. Thanks for all the likes and comments.
My plan is to get a 7600x or 7700x and then use the AM5 platform for architectural upgrades when they change how CCD optimisation works for the next Zen products. Switching to LGA and pushing 3D Vcache to higher clocks and cores is just flying too close to the sun right now.
I had similar issues very early on with a 7950X, and it seemed like memory stability as well. Fast forward a week of debugging and I decided to disable the CPU's onboard AMD graphics in the device manager. I never had a memory issue again.
I've had endless issues since I built my R9 a few weeks ago, very similar to everything Jay is laying out here. I just turned switched off the integrated system, I'll report back here if it ends up helping!
@@huntermckinney5239No. Can't turn on EXPO with stability, Windows 11 current update cannot install, white static led on Asus motherboard occasionally comes on indicating an issue with GPU connection (i've reset it, it's secure.) All of this since I updated the bios - shoulda kept it factory like I always have lol. Considering just returning the board to Microcenter and seeing how another one pans out. As long as I keep HDR off the video is stable. Anyways thanks for checking back in. The joys of PC ownership.
I've been using AM5 since launch, running HyperX EXPO 6000mhz, started out with 7700x on release, then moved to 7900x 3D when it dropped, and now on 7800X 3D... besides the usual longer post times, the system is solid as a rock!
i had issues with my 7700x system, but after updating BIOS a bunch of times is working fine. That being said it isnt as hassle free as my old intel 7700k.
At our repair shop, we've seen a small handful of X3D systems come in with RAM instability, too. The solutions varied by computer. One had a dead CMOS bettery which resulted in the BIOS resetting every time he turned off his PC, and the stock BIOS setting kept enabling XMP at a speed the CPU absolutely hated; fixed with new CMOS battery and proper settings. Another had RAM that wasn't white-listed for the number of sticks (x4); the timings were off from other sticks on the white list; switched with "compatible" RAM, set XMP to supported speed, and it stabilized. Another refused to dual-channel with XMP turned on; updated BIOS and set RAM clocks to a speed listed on the mobo specs. On and on and on. We routinely refer to AMD CPUs, GPUs, and MOBOs as "fussy" and "finicky" because the tinkering seems to never end. Edit: "Instability" varied from failing Memtest to BSODs to hard shut offs during benchmarks.
The only times I ever had problems like that with RAM was when there were bent CPU pins but obviously the pins aren't bent in every one of these cases so I wonder what the CPU is doing to cause these errors, I wonder if it's the unrefined hardware or lack of software that will behave properly with the hardware it could be because of the goofy ass architecture AMD came up with too it sounds cool but doesn't seem like it's very reliable, might be fixed in future revisions
So, user incompetence 99% of the time. Never had a problem when actually finding out what parts everyone recommends in their own manuals. Its so fkn hard to read, isnt it.
"Fussy" and "finicky" are weird descriptors when users are failing to read their motherboard's QVL RAM compatibility. We know DDR5 is weird with 2< RAM sticks, even on Intel.
Well i got hacked 3 times it fried my brain and all this insane information from generation one you need a gen 3 it was even speeding up the way my mind process time ... interesting.. it was a ryzen 1700x.. that crappy company ripped me off 1000 dollars... but it was insanely powerful pc with bad gpu I built
@@johnstannard8366 5% is still 5%, and that's assuming they won't have to patch it again. And that's before you factor in the people microcode will not help because the processor is already fried!
@@Raptorman0909 that falls under false advertising doesn't it???? also what about people who had small issues, like random crashes that weren't really constant or people whom had shader loading issues on games, are those guys cooked too????
Memory Issues are a PITA . Please continue to use both platforms and let us know what is the best overall. Stability is more important when your rig is a daily driver not just a drag racer.
I have had nothing but problems with my 7950X3D. I ended up RMA'ing 2 of them (both of the main machines in the house)and was issued a refund by AMD for both. I replaced them with 7800X3D. No regrets. The stability has been night and day difference between the 2. I finally have some confidence in the brand again.
@@levinoppers8151 i upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d and to be honest it's not that much of an upgrade, so just dont waste your money, i mean it still depends on what games you play but still ...
Lets be honest, its going to be good for a fair few more years to come unless you are going bleeding edge with GPU, and throw in the growing support for handheld PC's with much weaker CPU and GPU performance, and I am betting you will be fine for in the very least, until the next console gen and even then it won't be that bad.
Bought a 7800X3D with a 4090 after your "Thread Controller" comments earlier in the year. Absolutely rock solid and fantastic for work and gaming. Side benefit, it all went in a Fractal Torrent Compact so it's small and quiet to boot.
@@musclecargarage2875 That's been my experience as well. Got a 7800x3d and a 4090 and it crushes everything I throw at it. I also have had an RAM issues like some people. I have in the past, though, so I think some of it is luck-of-the-draw.
@@kramnull8962 It's slower than higher core count CPUs but what quad core gets 18k in R23? It's ok to not like AMD CPUs but it isn't ok to be disingenuous.
As per Jayz 2 cents, 7950x3d has issues. Due asymmetric design i.e one of the cores has x3d and other doesn't. 7800x3d is single ccd so it should not have that issue.
Been running a 7900x non 3D with 6,000 cl36 since November 2022. Some initial teething issues getting it booted and stable, but every BIOS update has only made it more stable. No issues for a long time here, couldn't be happier with the overall performance.
I second this, been on AM5 from 2nd week of launch so practically a year, I get memory trainings for about 2 minutes once a month on random but that is it!!!
yup, my experience. 7900 non-x is incredibly efficient and i love not battling with power issues and bios updates because it is on a budget workstation/server. i need it up all the time and on a budget. i would opt for 7800x3d over 7900x3d any day. single ccd with v-cache is better then 2 ccd where only one has v-cache.
I had the exact same issues as you described. Clocking memory back, then eventually running stock. The only thing that fixed it. Was swapping out the CPU. The "bad" CPU for me was the 5800x. Buying a 5800x3d fixed the issue. So i don't think it's down to the 3d V cache. It's probably quality control issue with AMDs memory controllers.
Tbf, I had a 12900k that had the same issue, once I upgraded to a 13900k I could actually get the advertised speeds. I don't think that this is just an AMD issue.
When did you buy your 5800x? Aka, is it an earlier model? I've seen and heard a lot of issues with AMD and ram when the AM5 platform was first released. In August, I upgraded to a 7800x3d, 7900xt, and 32gb 6000mhz, and experienced virtually no issues. However, I'm not doing extensive technical stuff like streaming, video encoding, and everything is air cooled and not overclocked. I mainly ask because it seems a lot of youtubers and early adopters seem to still be having issues, while new adopters don't. Sometimes small QA changes can have big impacts, like a different pcb supplier, or extra support somewhere, or adding an extra .01% nickel to your alloy.
SAME! I purchased a 5800X back in January of 2022 and I would just have random restarts where the system would just literally black screen and well... restart... changed RAM, Mobo, PSU and still same problem until I finally decided it might be the CPU. January of this year I purchased the 5800X3D and bam, no more random restarting... A wild problem that I never really expected to be a problem.
early stepping 5800x i take it? my launch 5800x was garbage. could barely do 5.7ghz static at like 1.35v the best clocking 8c16t Zen 3 i've ever had was actually a 5700x that did 5.05 - 5.075ghz PBO/CO on the two best cores and 4.85ghz static at 1.31v
I had a 5900x runing with a 3600 mhz 32gig kit that was specifically tuned for ryzen. I had zero issue runing DOCP for 2 years. Now, i have a 7600 with a 32gig kit at 6000mhz. I had one issue with the OC. It started to bluescreen on me. I just clear cmos and redo the OC and now it works like previously. Biosses are poop. If you change things left and right, especially if you use ryzen master, some settings will be bugged and you have to clear cmos.
Running 7900X3D combined with the 7900XTX. This was my only AMD build in about 15 years, so far IT'S A BEAST. I don't "abuse" my PC as much as I used to so I haven't had any problems yet, gonna bookmark this for my records and will UPDATE IT IF I RUN INTO ANY PROBLEMS.
Do the problems talked about here (with Jay's setup for example) occur only when overclocking? Getting my AMD setup too and got bit worried about these issues. No plans to mess with the system, just run it default, so hopefully it goes problem free.
AMD is ok for casual gamers, but for streaming+gaming+browsers opened with multipletabs you'll experience stutters ans real 1% frame losses compared to Intel.
Putting almost best consumer PC pieces for "not abusing my PC" -what is wrong with you people. With a 7800x3d and 4080 rtx you would spend less and gain more with rt and lower consumption
That's a bummer that you've had so many problems with that 7950x3d. My 7800x3d has been rock solid since I bought on launch day. I'll admit, I do hesitate to update the bios just because it is perfectly stable and don't want to screw that up, so my bios is a few months old. The ram is running at 6000 cl 30 with manual timings as well as manually set SOC voltage of 1.2 and a modest -20 CO offset.
Same thing man, had mine a couple months now and running perfectly. Fingers crossed it stays this way. I found prioritising the 3d cache in the bios works wonders and makes sure games are using that CCD
Unless there's some breaking news about a security flaw or double digit percentage performance loss due to a bug, I don't update the BIOS if everything's stable. Why try to fix a wheel when it's not broken, after all?
@JayzTwoCents Now that the AMD system is torn down, I would love to see you try the CPU and Memory in different motherboards and see if you have any different results. Or do the issues with the memory continue to plague the system. If that is the case, then would another brand of the same speed memory change the outcome. I have always loved trouble shooting these types of issues. Perhaps a Colab with Gamers Nexus with the system components being tested by them is in order?
@@OutLanderUSNSilicone lottery wouldn’t affect this because he’s running at the manufacturer’s rated specs. Silicone lottery would be affecting overclocked systems or timings tweaked beyond what the manufacturer rated them for.
@@Poketroid23 My take on the OP here was a suggestion to try putting the CPU and RAM in different motherboards and try overclocking, as the crux of Jay's issues are that activating the XMP/EXPO/DOCP profiles don't work properly. Which could either be a loss at the silicon lottery or a bad BIOS/mobo.
@@DarkP1 The IMC's on AMD's cpu's can barely over clock compared to intel's. The max mhz support it far below what Intel has. For AMD to be the original pioneered of the "integrated memory controller" they've neglected for so long now to the point where it is a liability for their own cpu's now.
I’m running a 7950x3d and I haven’t had the problems you have. It’s been really stable with 6000 cl32. I’m running a 32gb kit at that speed on the crosshair gene. I’m running intel for a laptop Alienware x15 R2. It’s also really stable. I think the final comment makes the most sense, we finally have choice again in the cpu space and that’s good.
I did experience similar issues with my first 7950 x3d, bestbuy took it without issue as defective and the replacement is stellar! High performance, multitasking and gaming monster gaming...... Running EXPO 6400 zero crashes or boot issues.
It's actually really interesting to hear this. I'm currently running the 7800X3D on an ASRock X670E Steel Legend with G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO and AMD EXPO, and besides of memory training every time I update the BIOS (which makes sense) I had zero real issues. But I guess I'm just lucky and I have a good MOBO manufacturer.
ASRock used to be the bottom of all jokes as the quality was pathetic and only the people on very thight budget would touch them. That was until they got a new CEO who turned them around and they have been pumping good stuff. Asus used to be the king be the last couple of years , they are heding str8 down to where ASRock used to be. Funny enaugh AMD had the same story , before Lisa S took over as CEO they ware heading down to bancrupcy and a rummer was that intel was going to goble them (the years when Intel had no competition).
7800X3D with an ASRock X670E pg lightning, corsair 6000mhz 32CL RAM (which probably has some issues itself) I needed to put my RAM at 5400-5600 for the longest time because every few weeks it wouldn't boot anymore or my games would get "corrupt install file" errors when updating, now after a bios update for RAM I can run it on 5800mhz and have done so for the last couple of months without issue, still can't hit 6000mhz and when I do a memtest it has a few errors sadly but I blame that on faulty RAM, and at this point it isn't an issue yet so I'll just keep trucking.(can't afford to be without a pc for 2-3 weeks for them to RMA it)
I got a Gigabyte B650 AX and 7800x3d for a while now, not using EXPO but I had no issues at all for now. It is rocking. btw what are your temps? Mine stays on 30-40 idle and goes up to 60-70 on some loads, is yours ok?
After hearing this and Brad Shoemaker's experience, think I'm just going to stick with my 5800X3D til the next generation and see how things pan out, not in any huge hurry anyway, and definitely don't want to create additional headache for minimal gains at this point.
Better get a 13700K and turn off Hyper Threading. Then you have faster no. 9 to 16 cores. Also processor gets less warm (won't clock down much then), uses less energy. Change in Bios that speed can go up to 5800mhz for the first 4 cores. You have a lightning fast game PC then.
Kinda same problems I had to dealt with my 7800x3d, but I set BIOS to default and I don't get boot loops and blue screens anymore. Interesting to see this video from you and getting feedback or informations that these problems are on AMD's side not that I did something wrong.
annnnd... I am getting constant freezes at Idling with my 5800x. Never had any issues with Intel before. I had to tweak a bunch of numbers to let it stop freezing at idle and man the debugging process was painful af because it happens randomly and there's no logging whatsoever because the system suddenly dies. Thinking about going back to Intel honestly.
SAME. Everyone online is just saying AMD is God and it's my fault and now I'm glad I know it isn't just me. I'm just gonna stay with my old PC where bootup or crashes are something I never even had to think about and wait to see if the next gen fixes things
@@rh666 I had this problem on my Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master w9ith a 5900x...... I would assume the gigabyte software and windows update would keep all relevant drivers for my mobo up to date.... and I was wrong. Way wrong. Went to Gigabytes website and manually downloaded all the drivers for my system, installed them manually, and all the rarndom "freez while idle" problems went away
yo Jay it seems to me like the memory stability issue you were running into on am5 was that memory context restore ON but memory power down mode OFF leads to random crashes like you're describing. Leaving both on should make you stable if this is the issue. This is a very common issue for people used to turning off power down mode because it increased stability in ddr4 systems.
I built a new PC a few weeks ago. My first full upgrade in 10+ years, moving from an i7-3770 to an i5-13600K. It's wonderful. Seeing test results showing AMD performs better in some games gave me a moment of pause, but I've always had Intel so it's an easy buy for me. They are already overkill for 4K gaming, and I like that they shine in multiple areas and aren't only great at one thing. Really, unless AMD comes out with something that is the true all-around champ, I don't see myself leaving Intel. I'm thinking I got one of those golden samples too. I have mine overclocked to 5.5/4.2 at 1.2V. All stability and stress tests (AIDA64, OCCT, Prime95 etc..) pass without an issue. Maybe I could push it further. I haven't tried. As I've realized that overclocking is more about the "sport" of it and less about the performance gains, I don't feel it's worth it to push this as far as I can. In an hour of AVX2 testing in OCCT, one core reached 93. Without AVX instructions, I barely surpass 80C. This CPU is just a dream. I do have a Thermalright contact frame, btw, so that is likely adding to the efficacy of my Phantom Spirit.
Great CPU, oh and a breeze to overclock....though yours is so much better than mine as 1.2v is very impressive!!!!!! Have mine (13700K) running at a max 1.278v on an adaptive vcore hitting 5.5Ghz and temps are in the low 80's when pushing CineBench R24 multi-core test...Have a 360mm AIO and I got the Thermalright contact frame which does help...
I have been building gaming PCs since the late 90's, almost every AMD I have ever had I had issues with. I remember building my first AMD, 2 exact PCs at the same time, AMD 233mhz (yes I am that old) and mine worked fine but my friends kept blue screening, he had to change his clock speed to 200Mhz to fix it. I tried going AMD later in years and ran into compatibility issues with NVIDA cards. I justs gave up. I thought by now I could trust them and almost built and AMD over my current i9 a couple of years ago but I just don't think the reliability I have had with intel is worth the gamble. My old gaming PC which is first gen i7 still runs great, I have a first gen i5 laptop from MSI still runs, and the only things I have done to them is regular upgrades like more ram, SSD, and new gfx card.
Only weird issue I've ever had with AMD right now when I built a PC for somebody was random crashing/freezing unless I turned Global C-State Control off. This was on a flagship Gigabyte board with a non-3D 7950X. I've been hearing that intel also has its own issues so I think it's just a fact that both sides are on spotty grounds right now with a hit-miss situation per user. The main reason I tend to lean AMD right now though, is the huge power consumption discrepancy. Going by KitGuruTech's benchmark results (since I have no i9 on hand right now), the 7950X3D consumes 151w during 10min Cinebench 23, while 7950X consumes 205w, versus 13900K consuming 253w~300w. That's a whopping 100+watts difference. While power bills might not be a problem, the heat output is, especially where I'm located which is a tropical country.
tbf the 7950x3d was known to be "buggy" from the get go with their 2 ccd's in gaming, u can have a workaround with it tho. Like process lasso u can set an affinity core for every program u want or creating a batch file doing the same thing.
depends on what you're doing. the intel chips only turn into space heaters when you hammer all cores (not helped by the fact that motherboard makers tend to overvolt the hell out of those CPUs). when gaming, they use only slightly more power than the 7000 series and are not really all that hard to cool, even the 13900K. hardware canucks made a video about this.
AMD 5950x | ASUS Strix B550F Gamming | DDR4 Kingston Fury | Gygabyte RTX 3090 | NVME Samsung | Running for couple of years 100% stable and powerfull. I think I can have this computer for another two years and still be powerfull enough for Production and Personal Use.
You must be doing Cad or things of that nature to not have bought 7800X3D for gaming. It out does everything in most games and does it for about 50-80 watts than 500 watts or so of other chips that get beat by a 50- 80 Watt CPU with lower temps on top of it.
@@truthseeker6532The Ryzen 9 7950X will outlive the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in gaming because the X3D chips have clockspeed jitter problems and the 7950X has a lot of cores for fast shader compilation and smooth 1% lows if the game calls those cores for that. I own a Core i7-12700K and i don't have to worry about microstuttering or stuttering because of the smooth clocks and high core count.
I hope Intel continues to treat you well. I took a bit of a leap going for the 7800x3d (I do know about the 2 CCD vs 1 but it was the change to AMD and the RAM frequency issues) after being Intel my whole life. So far the only issue was the power supply nuking itself after only 2 years but I was so ready to blame it on the new platform. Knock on wood I'm hoping it keeps going well and hopefully skunkworks is rock solid as well (and fits in your house).
Best choice. I don't even know why anyone would go for anything else. I still can't believe the performance numbers while drawing soo little power, it's just bonkers. This cpu can easily last 5 years in a top tier gaming system and after that a potential 9800x3d can probably be just swapped in.
His problem is the 7950x3D sucks. The 7800x3D is good. I guess he wants more cores and faster RAM timings. He’s making a long winded excuse to go back to a dead platform and use way more power lol.
@@quintrapnell3605 Why do you care about power so much? I really don't get why people care so much about power, in their PCs while they have RGB everywhere and subsused cooling systems. i understand people like 3D cos better benchmarks I get it. But power? who cares unless is a laptop CPU power wont make a such difference anyway when choosing PSU. So why?
7800X3D only has a single CCD with the V-Cache on it. So it doesn't suffer from the problems he described with the 7950X3D. And for gaming there is not much point in more than 8 cores anyways.
That sucks to hear that you had so many issues with your system. I picked up my 7800x3d during the voltage issues and was worried because I’d picked out an Asus board along with it. But I must’ve been lucky because I haven’t had any issues with it all so far, PBO and ram set at 6000 too. It’s run like a top for me, but hopefully you have better luck on your new set up!
Running a 7950x3D since release, and yes it felt a big janky. But I have now settled, I have completely disabled their filesystem driver thingy so no more core parking, and I manually set the core affinity of *new games once* through ProcessLasso so they run on the correct CCD, and Process Lasso remembers of course. It's manual work once per new game, but for me it works great! Also power efficiency can't be beat.
Same here, Process Lasso is a great utility, my system has been stable since I built it and haven't noticed any of the issues Jay has mentioned. I run 64Gb of 6000MHz memery too (G.Skill), not had a single BSOD
@@Hombre1968 Same here, PC is running rock solid. I am also doing some light Curve Optimizer UV (just -10 on the 3D CCD and -15 on the non-3D) for a tad more thermal and efficiency gains, my RAM is also 6000 with manual agressive CL30 timings (I mostly just yoinked the timings from Buildzoids' 6000 OC video), these timings are more agressive than the standard 6000 CL30 XMP profile. Last uptime was 45 days straight, had to reboot for a windows update
@@aziaufa418 That's true, one less CCD to feed power to. But for people like me who need CPU horsepower during work (Homeoffice, dealing with big datasets and databases to churn through) but still like to game after work, the 7950x3D is the best of both worlds
I've been running a 5800X3D for a year and been very impressed with it. Power usage while gaming is around 50-80W and overall frametimes have been very smooth.
@@jebes909090Intel is having a lot of issues with the 13900k / 14900k (14900k one or two cases so far) with the CPU degrading over time and users having to lower the PCore ratio because it became unstable with the default 55x. I had a 13900KF and had to RMA it, now after a month I'm having same issues with the replacement.
Im useing the 7950x3d since March with 6000 cl30 corsair ram and useing curve optimizer and it works with 0 crashes, no bluescreen and fast boots. Ive always used intel cpus before and im currently kinda happy with the amd cpu.
Upgraded my intel 6700k, 16gb ddr4, nvidia evga 1080 hybrid, samsung 1tb SSD at the start of october. To a 7800x3d 32gb, sapphire nitro 7900xtx, samsung 990 m.2 2t. Loving it so far and the jump in gaming performance is astonishing. Im literally getting an extra 100fps in my games like warhammer total war 3 and baldurs gate 3.
I recently built my first system a few months ago using 7800x3D + 3080 and it has been treating me well. The temps are doing well under load, no crashes or random blue screens. What's funny is before building the PC, I was getting frequent crashes and blue screens on my 4 year old laptop because of Windows updates🙃
Glad it wasn't just me. I went through about two years where I swear every windows update murdered my system. There was one it would try, it would murder it, it would roll it back then two weeks later it would try it again and I couldn't find a way to just disable updates. That laptop now has Linux Mint on it and sits next to me for emails and web browsing. Linux refuses to acknowledge the presence of my discreet laptop graphics card so its not all sunshine and roses but I don't play games on it anyway.
Definitely true on keeping up with BIOS updates. When I first put together my Ryzen 5 3600 on X570 I couldn't get even 3200 MHz DDR4 stable, and there were lots of weird hiccups and micro stutters, the latter particularly annoying because it would also briefly freeze any audio playing. It took a year of updates to really get things sorted out to a point where it felt truly solid. I guess the real moral of the story is if you're going AMD, maybe buy in towards the end of a generation instead of the beginning, if you need absolute stability. Edit: Almost forgot that using the front USB would also cause it to completely lock up at times, though that was to AMD's credit one of the first things that went away with updates.
I had a similar issue to your weird hiccups on my previous X570 system with 5700X. It turned out for me that the thing causing the weird hiccups including in audio was the fTPM implementation. Since I am still on Windows 10, I just disabled the module and the hiccups went away for me. I am guessing by this point that is fixed for the X570 board I have (sitting in the other room in the box. I have a friend who is going to build a newer pc for themselves with it when they come to visit from out of state) but I haven't been using it for a while now so I can't be certain. I would hope so, and hopefully it doesn't cause the same stutter issues in Windows 11.
So, i can't speak about Ryzen 7XXX But i've had 3900X and 5950X on ASUS Z570 PRO board. It was the single worst experience with hardware i've ever had. I strongly believe their BIOS team is either incompetent or are simply trolling. The number of times they've released BIOS that would bug out on any frequency above 3200 is ridiculous. Every 2nd BIOS update was straight up broken. I've switched to another brand since then and had 0 problems with same RAM and CPU. I've promised myself to avoid AMD+ASUS combo at all costs.
5800x3d, absolutely amazing. Initially had some RAM stability, but Gigabyte 550b mobo firmware patches fixed it rather quickly and now RAM also runs at intended speeds. At the beginning one thing that got me spooked was how quickly it jumped to Tmax, practically instantaneously, no matter the clock or voltage. But was stable and almost doesn't throttle down during summer. I considered the super slight throttle-down an ok tradeoff. Having a Noctua NH-D15 with double fans and an open box btw.
Dude! I was exactly the same... like crapped myself the 1st time as it was sooo quick, like you say instantaneous! ...I'd used decent thermal paste, and a dual 120mm fan Thermalright Peerless Assassin. I updated to latest BIOS, and set the RAM settings manually, and it seems okay... I only get the occasional BSOD and that was when I've been in Microsoft Flight Simulator which would make anything but Threadripper with 4090 cry
I found it's sensitive to fan settings, though mainly more the fans ramping quickly until I set a delay in BIOS. Never had an issue with them getting to the max temperatures though (that's 90C or something?). Curve Optimiser is your friend here (there's the PBO2 tool which lets you do this on X3D), found that I had stability just using someone else's modest settings to achieve -30 on all cores (you're generally not supposed to just use other people's settings, but it was stable so whatever) and a sizeable reduction in power/temps while actually gaining a sliver more performance. Even if you can't quite manage that, it can at least let you lower those temps down to give yourself more headroom.
I love my 7950x3d. I use process lasso and prefer cache in bios. This pretty much takes away all issues especially if as you say a lot of games are less known that you play. ECLK is used to bring up frequency on the vcache ccd so you can OC a bit. I haven't experienced any of the memory issues you have so can't speak to that, running Buildzoid's timings at 6000. Got it delidded so temps are really good. I understand and respect your choice, hopefully others that have already purchased this chip can find these "fixes," especially use prefer cache in bios if you game a lot. The power usage still amazes me. End of rant, Thanks Jay!
@@NmsOnetk0you don't need a lasso. In bios choose cppc - by driver. And if the game is new, just add the game in the game bar. Or just use the tray program - v-cache.
7950x3d needs Process Lasso for max performance. Yes, it's a slight announce to be the thread director. Ccd0 for gaming only. Ccd1 for system tasks, background tasks, chrome, discord and everything else. Also offload all infinity interrupts into ccd1 as well. My average Dpc latency is under 1ms in latencymon. Buttery smooth and zero dips in gaming. Downside is there is a learning curve to set up the 7950x3d in this manner. Best CPU I have used so far.
@@jsktravels1307 nope, it does not. Any of my game always on cache ccd. If I alt-tab, it instantly goes to frequency ccd and back to cache after alt tab in game. Without game, in any software cache ccd in parked state and work only frequency ccd.
I came from a 3700x, upgraded to a 5700x and the x3d variant before going for the 7800x3d. AM4 x3d was just plug and play. I even had 4 sticks, no issues whatsoever and it was great. The 7800x3d on the other side gave me problems to no end. I don't shy away from manual tuning, but I experienced a lot of things you did Jay. Sometimes it was fine for a week and then wouldn't boot at all. Sometimes it would get stuck on Code 15, other times completely random ones. I'm running 4 sticks (which is stupid with 7th Gen AMD, I know) at 5400MT/s, but the system randomly freezes for a second every once in a while. I hope this is just a hickup on AMD's part with AM5 and the next generation will be more stable, otherwise I would jump to Intel.
I been having issues with my pc but then yesterday pc just BSOD running 7900x with 4080 strix and when i tried to boot back up code 15 over and over few more boots and it booted fine i just unplugged my monitor from gpu and it was fine, im defo going back intel with my next rig considering i have a budget of 10k for my next rig im just going all out and getting whatever i want
I just built a 14900k z790 setup last night and went with 32gb ddr5 (so I can OC to 8000M/T). Debating switching to 64gb @ 7000M/T. Took 3 days to do the custom loop. Epic insane system!
@@halflife82 Custom cooling? Sounds like you have a kickass PC there. I got my RAM up to 7200 now, but I bought this Corsair Dominator Titanium. This RAM was not cheap at all. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I over spent. 2 32GB sticks of this Dominator Titanium was $400, but it has no ceiling. I have been able to overclock it at will. It is great RAM.
@@chrisnieto3620 so, I don’t know. I was worried about crashing so I dropped it back down to 7000. So I haven’t found that out at 7200. it is stable at 7000 and I’m happy with that. I figured the extra 200 wouldn’t make much of a difference so I dropped it back to 7000.
7950x3D has worked flawless for me. Paired with process lasso and I have completely no complaints. Sad how CPU purchases are based on the silicone lottery.
I've been on AM5 - 7950x since December 2022. It's been going relatively well. I have great stability running tuned 2x32GB 6200mhz ram (hynix M die). The memory training is definitely longer. I've also had two boards die (Asus chipset died 8 months in or so and the Gigabyte board DOA). Outside of the memory training I'm quite happy with the performance.
@@mamamia5668 fortunately the timings are pretty tight. Started with buildzoid am5 standard timings, upped the speed and then worked on the sub timings slightly.
no really, 6000 is AMD prefered overclocked memory, AMD is said so theirself, you can go over 6000, but thats not 1 to 1 anymore for the ram@@mamamia5668
I put together a 7900x3d Linux Mint system last month. It has been rock solid with no issues at all after I updated to the latest 6.5 kernel. I bought 5200 memory because that is what AMD's site said was compatable. I thought that I missed the boat as many people were recommending 6000 memory. I am glad that I stuck with the 5200 memory seeing so many people complain about stability and constant memory reconfiguring.
5200MHz is the native max the chip supports, but all RAM is run overclocked. You’re missing out on about 10% performance with 5200 as Ryzen is heavily speed dependent
@@SpyderTracks GPU is usually the limiting factor and not RAM. If RAM is your limiting factor, you got a fkn problem. Losing 10% ram speed with DDR5 will never be felt unless you are building for blender or something like that. Or trying to run starfield. But why would you play that game is beyond me.
I'm about 2-3 weeks into my first AM5 build. A 7950x w/ 64Gb of Dominator Platinum and a 7900 XTX GPU. Considered for a bit to grab the 7950x3D and i'm kinda glad I didn't after watching this video. That said i'm super curious to see how the next weeks and months come as I ramp up my use on this new build (still use the old system some). So far everything is stable, no crashes or blue screens. Literally just installed and started going so everything is just set to the out-of-the-box settings at the moment. So far i'm pleased and really enjoy it all; definitely a good experience as i've typically been an Intel guy. Thanks for the video Jay (and team). I hope you are doing well. :)
I just went for the 7800x 3d because i didn't rely on Windows or AMD to be able to choose which core to put their processes on. I have a single ccd, everything will run through it. No issues with the 5800x3d as far as i know, so they couldn't blow it with the 7800x3d. Coming from an i7 6700k i noticed the upgrade. Specially after adding an RX7900xtx to it. Can't be happier so far! Sorry you had those issues Jay, thanks for your content!
tbh for me it feels like windows scheduler for intel P and E-cores is a problem for 79*0x3d, since P-cores clock higher, they are chosen for intensive tasks, so that way non x3d, which clock higher, gets intensive load, and now we get game bar to prevent that and force it back on x3d chip it really seems like that's a problem since only newest intel had different cores, so east way out for windows would be going by clock speed not by if is intel and is xth gen do that, which if my theory is right, ryzen 8000 with zen c cores will use that to it's advantage and game bar won't be needed, since c cores clock slightly lower and take half space, so e-cores with hyperthreading
I built my AM3+ FX-8350 system with help from your guide when your tutorial video came out initially, its has been great watching you all this time Jay! Your comments and experience with AM5/3D V-cache supports the suspicions I had. Im on AM4 with a Ryzen 5 3600 right now, I think i'll be quite satisfied upgrading to a 5950x with my current needs. I don't really see the point upgrading to AM5 yet. I wish you the best of health!
If you play mainly games the 5800x3d is a very solid chip that shares none of the stability issues he talks about here and is fairly competitive even against the newer chips. Highly recommend it, myself and 4 of my buddies use it.
You probably shouldn't pick the 5950x because is is expensive, has thermo throttling issues and is overkill for most use cases. For gaming, depending on system load, it can actually run slower than a 12 or 8 core version. My recommendation would be the R7 5800X3D ( +25 -> 50% gaming ) if gaming is what you want, the R9 5900X ( +120% computation ) if computation performance is your focus, or a R7 5700 ( +25% gaming and +36% computation ) if you just want to solid PC upgrade. I am rocking a R9 5900X setup for 65W ECO mode, which means a little less power under heavy multicore loads but also less thermo throttling.
Good old FX-8350 myself. Served me well up until about 2020. Built a new system with a 5800x zero problems with that ran very cool no stability issues at all. “Upgraded” to the 5800x3d and to be honest not that impressed with it. Only way to make it hit the advertised boost is to play around with PBO/-30 offset which to me shouldn’t be mandatory on a factory tune. Also the clock speed hit is considerable so unless you’re playing the specific games that benefit from a X3D I would just recommend a 5800x. Price is right and it does what it’s advertised to out of the box unlike the X3D variant.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ Switching from a 5800x, or even a 5700x, to a 5800X3D is a downgrade for most things aside from gaming. You also need very good (water) cooling, RAM running at DDR4-3600 XMP and a PCIe 4 capable motherboard ( 500 series chipset ) to really profit from it. With those your gaming performance gets near AM5 levels, and general computation power should also be okay.
I have a 7950x3D with 64GB 6000Mhz CL30. I have no instabilities, but the boot times, even with just the two sticks I have, are horrible without enabling some certain memory training exceptions in BIOS. I also noticed it being slightly slower than my prior 12700k when loading my Lightroom library, but it's more of a short latency thing than not loading or working. But it could also be just a subjective experience. At the end of the day, I'm glad I switched over when my Intel MB died. The lower power consumption did wonders for overall power usage and the better efficiency also lowered my temps by 10° across the board in the whole system. Other tasks also run much smoother, the MB IO at the same price is way better in my case and the way AMD Adrenaline looks and handles is much superior to Intels weird browser solution. That said, while I have no significant drawbacks or issues as of now, the boot times persist and are majorly annoying should I want to do a quick restart or quickly boot up from cold when I make a pitstop at home between two appointments.
The latest AGESA fixed my slow boots, but I am impressed that you got 64GB working at 6000MHz. That's not supposed to be stable for anyone. Does it pass a memory test?
@@jondonnelly3 I have stable 64GB (2x32GB) at 6000MHz CL30 with 7800X3D, slow boots fixed with setting called "Memory Context Restore" on Asus boards set from auto to enabled.
@@jurajbalazi8581same for me. I got an Asus board as well and that's the setting I was talking about prior. It speeds up my post and boot time to about 15-20s with the expo running stable and all. Without it it's more like 60-80s, sometimes even longer. With my Intel before it was 3-4s post and boot max at times. I have no instabilities otherwise. MemTest86 returns no errors, prime95 can run full boar and my usual stuff of video renders, Animation and 3D modeling as well as the big panorama stitching I do all Mac out the 64GB of RAM and without any crashes. It's just the post and boot times that have become majorly annoying and no new Bios version has fixed that so far.
I've been using a 7900X non 3D without any issues for a while now. EXPO with 6000MHz in the BIOS is working fine. I have managed to get an offfset on curve optimizer that is rock solid and gives me pretty insane scores on 10 minute Cinebench R23 runs. I have memtested the rig also and it really has been flawess. No BSOD no nothing. My rig works rock solid, so I am happy with it. Oh and the CPU cooler is an AIO 360. So this is my experience with a non 3D AMD chip.
Anyone ignorant with an AMD component in their system will think the AMD component is at fault when stuff goes wrong. Their bad reputation is extremely undeserved. Idk what GPU you have but if it's AMD and you posted this on Reddit people would somehow blame the AMD GPU for it I swear.
Jay you did hit it right on the nose at the end, that the dual ccd 7900X3D and 7950X3D are 1st gen designs even if the X3D is 2nd gen design. For me, I went with the Asus Crosshair X670E Hero and 7950X3D paired with 64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000 EXPO memory. I had early teething issues, but since have been running rock solid. I have the 7950X3D on a liquid cooled loop with my Red Devil Radeon RX 7900 XTX using a Alphacool block. Temps get no higher than between 76-79 degrees during summer with ambient temps. Bios is ver. 1709
Thanks for giving AMD a college try Jay. Damn that build give mee goosebumps every time I look at it, it's just so good! May your frames be high, your latency low, and your bugs be gone!
For a few months now, I’ve had a 7950X3D, 64gb DDR5-5600, MSI Pro 670-P Motherboard, 2x 2TB NVMe, Gigabyte RTX4090 running Windows 11 Pro. After hearing all of the memory problems Jay jad, I’m hallucinating to say so far my system has been flawless. When gaming CPU & GPU temps at 65c.
I also got the 7950X3D in my system and being glad that it is running good so far. No memory issues, no crazy "new CPU random shitti errors" or such. Also running G.skill Trident 6000Mhz without any problems.. Its so annoying that somehow systems are working totally fine and others got strange errors, random bluescreens and stuff. For sure, all is manufactured and there always can be production errors in some CPUs or Mainboards etc.. So I am glad that i went the way for the AMD cpu (came from Devils Canyons Intel) and I dont regret it so far. The only thing I regret is that I go with a 3080ti isntead of an 4090.. My ASUS TUF 3080ti has coil whining straight out of hell.. holy fuck never heard such a bad whining.. So I am doing an similar decission that i will switch my 3080ti TUF with an other 4090 card (lookin right now for the right one and hoping that the black deals will offer me any good prices :D ) So like you, do what you want with your system, all is totally fine. I mean YOU are the one who is sitting at it so do what you want
A very large part of me thinks some of these are Windows issues. It's happened before. AMD or Intel release something and we get all sorts of weird errors, even some BIOS errors after MS convinced the freaking world they needed extended BIOS access for "security". Two years later MS finally releases a patch and things start working. :(
I bought an 7800X3D+X670E on launch day. I went for Corsair Dominator 5200 (relatively slow speed, 2 sticks) and I haven't experienced any issues whatsoever so far. It has been a great experience. I have been very careful to always go for the latest BIOS, especially with that voltage debacle. I came from an 3950X X570 and that one was unfortunately a terrible experience until the BIOS was patched up. I couldn't use USB properly for several months. After the BIOS patching, that system has been running rock solid.
from ZEN is whole desing of ccd bad idea to future, - becouse on math projects on boinc is KING intel with monolitics cache witch is best for mathematic, calculations, like PRIME or more dificult,, i will buy intel after my 2990WX amd,,,
I've been going back and forth between games and music production on 7950x w g.skil 6000mhz ram cl30.... it hasn't missed a beat yet! Very impressed but get good cooling... it's hot 🔥 🥵
Jay, can you do an update video to this? Where are you at now in opinion to the two platforms? Whats coming out next and any idea what your next build will have?
He always seems to just go Intel, even with the stuff coming out about their silicon degradation because all Intel can do on their crappy chips is to hotrod the power limits to try to eke out the performance crown for that particular generation at the cost of having ridiculous 300-350W TDPs on their processors.
Well, I haven't turned off my 8350 for about 15 years... sure the occasional power outage ( or hurricane) but essentially, it's been running all day every day. So I would have to say my experience has been a good one if not a dated one... I've always been a fan of AMD and am interested in building a new system so I'm taking this information to heart... Thanks J...
Sad to hear you had so much issues with the new AMD platform. Personally I have the 7950x and 64gb 6000mhz ram, and I have not had one single issue related to that. I have made sure to keep my bios and drivers up to date.
@@ShimejiiGaming Yeah, 7950x3d is a chip that wants to do it all and doesn't really succed anywhere, unless you're willing to disable the non-3d chiplet in the bios everytime you want to game.
@@ShimejiiGaming I am running the 7800x3d with 96Gb 6400Mhz memory and have zero issues. Heat or otherwise... but then again my primary goal was game performance not multitasking. So far I have not had a single crash which is awesome. My previous system was a pre-built system and I was not happy with almost from the get go. The current system is built by me and I have loved it
Same CPU here, 7950x with 64GB of EXPO 6000 RAM from Gskill. Latest firmware with the ASUS motherboard and seems to be very stable. It does seem to be the 7950x3D CPU that is having some weirdness issues like this :(
Once I got everything up and running and installed the proper drivers, I haven't had any issues. I am running 2 sticks of 32GB at 6000 mhz without problems, and really have only played AAA titles, so I can't say how well the core parking works in other cases. It does run a bit hotter than I am used to at idle because of the thick IHS but otherwise I've been pretty happy.
I don't have any issues, but I have the 7800X3D, so it doesn't need to park cores or make use of Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications. The chiplet with the extra cache is always running.
Just like Tavarish’s P1 Evo build, it’s your PC, put whatever parts you want. I do enjoy the breakdown of the different CPUs and the quirks of the 7950X3D, a lot of people might not know that The memory issues could just be the board or a bad bin too, like Linus’s review sample of the 7950X3D, but that’s not something as a normal user you should have to constantly deal with Personally on a 7800X3D, also have another Pc with a 7800X3D on my friend’s PC I built and works great. In fact haven’t had an issue with CPUs between trying out a 12600k and upgrading from AM4 to AM5
At least Jay has the computer built and fully working. Tavarish rushed the crap out of a very special car and half-assed it as always. The P1 is essentially now an upbadged 675LT without the hybrid system. Don't compare Jay to Tavarish. Just don't.
@@TheMC1X and you forgot the purpose of tavarish's P1 right? it is to attempt to break a world record for fastest McLaren not to satisfy idiot fanboys ill also remind you that P1 basically a 720s and tavarish's P1 is flood damaged where electronics are next to impossible to restore hybrid system weighs 400lbs including battery and it is a 176hp motor with technology from 10 years ago which is already ancient by today's standards new battery costs $160k regardless it being made with cells from a123systems or from panasonic and you can't take tesla cells because compartment was built in mind of a original battery and those batteries fail him taking out that entire assembly,shoving in long block 720s engine and tuning it for 1300hp is significantly better than trying to make that system both work and make it more powerful and heritage P1 has is basically F1 which did not have hybrid system so if anything it is actually more original than rest of P1's
@@xthelord1668 But why throw away $600k on a wrecked P1?!?! Could have spent much less and gotten any other wrecked McLaren and made that the "fastest" McLaren.
I’m using 7800x3d, I had severe memory timing issues with CL39 DDR5 ram and then swapped to CL32 DRR5 RAM and I still get occasional crashes but not nearly as often. I want to review your previous videos to see how you dealt with it. Eventually I’ll get CL30 RAM that’s on my motherboard manufactures list. I totally emphasise with your decision to go back to Intel for the stability because RAM and CPU should be plug and play and be stable when using over clocking profiles. I just play games that are very CPU heavy.
its ytour board not the ram , i had same issue with gigabyte b650 and i decided im done with gigabyte and bought the msi tomakawk b650 and literally not a single crash since i switched 9 months ago the gig board is absolute dogshit and caused all my memory timing issues to the point i would crash on every single restart. literally every single problem gone by switchng my motherboard to msi bottom line buy a quality MB DO NOT BUY GIGABYTE !!! LITERALLY THE WORST COMPANY IN THE GAMING SPACE
I’ve been using my 7800X3D since August and aside from similar hung RAM issues at 6000Mhz, my experience has been great! It is amazing for a lot of the newer intensive games that I play and I hardly ever notice any issues with the exception of the first two minutes of gameplay every other time I start up Resident Evil 4
Strange that this is comes down to the mainboard. I have a 7800x3d CPU as well and a mainboard from Gigabyte (Aorus Master) and run it perfectly on 6000 Mhz. Also some mainboard seem to have loading times up to 30 second to windows. So the memory training take a lot of time. (this also based on mainboard) I dont have that either (10 second max). So when somebody go for amd make sure you pick the right mainboard. And dont pay 1.000 dollar for them... it is just silly.
@@mcrib2499 I think you may be right, and it could also be a batch based issue because I have seen people with my same motherboard achieve a consistent 6000Mhz without any issues
It is interesting to hear all of this. I've followed a bit of Jayz 7950x3d saga because I went all in on my CPU and got myself a 7950x3d. I was able to run PBO with 4 Dimms at 6400 MHz EXPO. I really wonder if it was a motherboard problem or bad silicon lottery. Sucks to have so many problems. As a newbie to building my own PC I feel a bit like I experienced some dumb luck. Even so, I'll take it lol. I know anyone can say I never had that problem, or I've had that same problem and it doesn't mean much. It's very interesting to say the least.
It's definitely an ASUS problem. Their forums and subreddit have new threads related to this junk every day. It's a shame J2c is so far out of the loop. I mean.. a quick email to Steve would have revealed it.
Same here. MSI ACE, dropped in 6400MHz Kingston 48GBx2 CL32 with 7950X3D, ticked expo/auto and the way it went. Used same ram and cpu for out other system except board was Asrock X670EPG Lightning, it too saw ram 6400MHz and have had zero issues.
@@n3o717 I'm running the MSI x670e Ace as well. Gskill ram with the same timings. 64 gb 6400 mhz, CL32. The thing is I've heard folks say motherboard doesn't matter anymore since the controller is on the CPU. I can't say I know, but I can say that anecdotally I've seen many of these folks rocking Asus boards. *shrug*
This was me with a 5950X. That processor got a little wonky when utilizing large I/O transfers. It also didn't like our plugins. No issues with Intel and it's great at productivity and gaming.
I also switched from Ryzen to Intel recently, when 12th gen came out. Biggest driver for me was I/O; the Intel platform had more bandwidth to the PCH (so, less contention) and more lanes available on the PCH and this fit my needs more than what AMD was doing at the time.
@@slickysan Right? And it has 20+ upvotes?! LOL. What on earth is this guy doing that he feels he's anywhere near saturating it? Seriously, what workload on what hardware that's even close to half of it? Sounds like another case of "I want more because someone told me theoretically there's more headroom on PCIE 5, despite even the newest hardware being unable of saturating the *previous* gen". ;)
Mirroring the other suggestions, I'd also be interested in doing some troubleshooting with the old set up to see if the issues were caused by the 7950X3D, the ram, the motherboard, or some weird combination of the 3. As mentioned Asus has had issues with memory on their motherboards, but that seems less likely to address the software optimization of the CCD selection dependent on workloads.
This reminds me of when i had issues with my 10980xe pc at home i have 4x32gb sticks of 3600MTs ram which is overclocked to 3800MTs and was running perfectly for a few weeks. Then i started getting random blue screen and initially thought my cpu oc was unstable but that didn't fix it and lowering the memory speed to 3733MTs seemed to fix it then the blue screen started again so i lowered it further and it seemed to help and i ended up loeering my ram speed all the way to 3400MTs and then i finally figured out it was actually corsair icue crashing my pc all along as I'd somply selected the software and hit to delete and i assumed it was deleted but all of the driver Dll files remained without the othrr necessary files causing my pc to randomly crash but it it didn't mention icue or anything in the windows error log and the error code it gave was most commonly because of an unstable overclock anyways once i figured that out and disabled icue in services.msn and deleted the remaining files my pc stopped blue screening and i was able to put my memory speed back to 3800MTs without issue. I knoe you probably don't care about my little story it just shows that sometimes issues cam be what you least expect like in jays case it probably is memory but there's a good chance that it is something else entirely if dropping memory speed doesn't seem to really help.
The problem is most people who have stability issues are trying to run RAM at their advertised timings and speed. The highest official ram speed supported by Zen4 is 5200. Anything higher will be up to silicon lottery and soc voltage settings. I have been very stable running 6200 30-35-35 timings with my 7950x on MSI ACE x670e. My ram is rated at 6400 32-39-39 but I have never gotten that stable at soc voltage 1.25V (don't want to go any higher). If I don't keep the uclk = mclk, I could be stable but I lose performance at that point.
I think you’re right on with the single CCD being the way to go with x3D chips. I’m currently running a 7800x3D - it’s rock solid and I’ve had no trouble with ram at 6000. In fact, this is probably the most stable PC I’ve ever had (Asus ProArt x670E for mobo and a 7900xtx for gpu.) I am curious though: Did you ever try swapping the cpu or motherboard? I do wonder if something in your setup was defective. I’m sure you’ve gone over this in a video at some point, but I don’t remember
@@Gamesemag funny. but I've had AMD's on and off from the K6, through the Athlon and Thunderbird, Second Gen Ryzen to current Zen 4. They've all been stable. They all did their job just fine. If you've had stability issues, it's probably because of the motherboard brand you used, or you thought that because they were unlocked for overclocking you could just wind them up 50% like the good old days of a Celeron 300. The reason why Intel started locking down their gear was the amount of complaints from customers who destroyed their gear by overclocking the hell out of it.
My 7950x (non-3D) was completely stable until the whole 1.3 V SOC thing. It then took MANY bios revisions for it to become stable again. As you say, a lot of random blue screens, errors etc that were not easy to place blame on. Thankfully (after about 4 months of bios updates) the system is now stable again.
I have switched back to Intel since going through all generations of Zen, had issues, mostly memory related, on all of my Zen builds whilst always using the best quality parts. Now I am back on Intel for about 8 months and it has been a blessing, I almost forgot how it was to be on a truly stable platform.
can you tell me what problems. I always suspected something just be off with ryzen but people in reddit highly praised it. They also praised amd graphics card but it turned out it has lots of issues with indie games
That has been always an issue with the Ryzens. I had a 2700X on a MSI X470 Board back then and I never could get the rated 3200 MHz of my RAM. I was stuck at 3000 MHz. And now I have a 7950X3D on an Asus Strix X670E and had initially the same problem: RAM rated for AMD at 6000 MHz, stable only up to 5200 MHz. But obviously I´ve been more lucky than you, because a BIOS Update 1 month later gave me the stability at 6000 MHz and now I´m completely fine. And now I´m very glad, not having an overheating 14900K with double the power consumption and stability issues.
As a 7950X owner, the problems are different but still present. I had a horrendous time for over a year getting this thing to run with EXPO on with some DDR Trident Z Neo EXPO 6000mhz RAM. It's only in the last few weeks it's actually been usable. They released a BIOS recently that fixed a few issues, and then within the BIOS I had to disable AMD Memory Context Restore in TWO different places in the BIOS. After doing that I've finally got no problems booting quickly, not crashing when waking from sleep and generally everything seems fine. It did require a full format and reinstall of Windows 11 too though, because it seems like all the crashes had corrupted some OS files somewhere. Definitely considering going back to Intel on my next build though, I can't remember ever having this level of issues with the blue brand...
RAM instability was what put me off AMD back when they launched the 5000 series. Bought a 5800X and a X570 Gigabyte motherboard. The 3800MHz CL18 RAM I bought from G.skill would NOT run at the advertised speed at all. Returned the RAM and got 3600MHz CL16 RAM and the same problem existed... Returned that for 4000MHz CL18 RAM and still the same fucking problem. Returned the 5800X and the X570 board for an Intel 10700K and a Z490 motherboard and popped the 4000MHz CL18 memory in *that* *was* *specifically* *"optimized"* for AMD. The system did a boot loop once, and started right up at the proper XMP settings of 4000MHz CL18 and hasn't had any issues since. Intel gets a bad rep. But nothing beats just plain old stability, which Intel will always have the advantage of.
There are issues with sleep forcing and then getting stuck on bad memory timings on a lot of different systems but the AM5 stuff really highlights the issue, to the point where some motherboard manufacturers are completely disabling the ability to put the computer to sleep from the bios. You'll likely fix all of your issues completely if you clear CMOS and then either leave the computer running or shut it down rather than sleeping/hibernating it.
first time ever in 25 years I made the switch to AMD and it's been all good on my 7800X3D and MSI 650 mobo since black friday. gonna buy AMD now for my 9 year old this coming black friday
It’s a bummer to hear about the instability and it makes total sense why you’re doing the Skunkworks adventure the way you are, which is looking amazing. Thanks for the great talking head piece.
I've had a 7950x non 3D since launch and have also had tons of memory stability issues, my 64gb 6000mhz Hyper X Beast just won't POST at the full EXPO speed. I've tried multiple BIOS updates etc, no luck. Only way to keep the system stable is keep the RAM at 5200mhz, any higher and eventually it either BSOD's or randomly won't POST over time. Super annoying and I'm probably gonna go back to Intel myself for my next system upgrade, more people need to here about these issues so hopefully AMD can address this down the line. Keep up the great work Jay 👍
Overall, I've had a great time with my 7950X3D, it's in a rig with a 7900 XTX, 64GB CL30 6000mhz gskillz RAM on a ROG Strix B650E-I. Haven't had any of the issues mentioned here, but I also understand that it's a case by case basis. It worked out well for me.
No issues here. 7700x 6750. No crashes and overlooked as much as I could. Had many intels since upgrading from a 4200 FX all those years ago. Currently really happy with the set up 👌
I have always had both brands in my house since Phenom 2. Both brands are great and now with Ryzen AMD is competitive again. I'll still always use both. They are both great. I haven't used X3D though. I'll probably wait until the issues get sorted out.
@@georgefoley9793 same cpu running 24/7 since 2011 it even mined Bitcoin back on the days on it, the last 1-2 years it started bit to slow with updated on o/s etc if you push it but for normal general non game usage or editing its fine but one of most success cpus after amd Athlon x2 - socket 939, after the release of Phenom 2 the failures came before the first Ryzen got released .and after ryzen came intel got stuck after the 6800k series until lately with over pumping same architecture and stupid +++ to catch up cause they need to change new fabs they might be ready around 2026
His issues are specific to the 7950X3D, not 3D in general. I don't understand why every commenter seems to have not actually watched the video. The 7800X3D has only one chiplet, so it doesn't need to park cores nor rely on Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications.
I'm perfectly happy with my 5800x3d for now. Stable, not worrying about temps cause they are completly under control. My main reason to stay away from intel is...well I got tired of intel. I had intel based systems up until 2020 when I went to the AM4 3700x. Upgraded to the 5800x3d last year and been happy with that since. Didn't make the leap to AM5 because the temps and figured I'd let AMD stew until next generation to see if they could get that kind of performance while lowering temps the next go around. I still plan to stay away from intel though simply because...I got tired of intel after so many years -.-
They would never lower the temps. Since they can guarantee that the silicone would withstand 95°C for its design lifetime, all CPUs will be pushed so that they are primarily temperature limited. Honestly, 95°C is much more easy to get used to compared to 300W+ for a desktop CPU (Intel right now).
@@jassenjj Can just enable ECO Mode or ideally put a power limit on the CPU. Lose some multicore perf but in games its practically non-existent. I think Optimum did a video on those settings called "Fixing Ryzen 7000 - PBO2 Tune (insanity)"
7800x3d user here. I use Gskill 6000cl30 (Trident Z Neo) kit and it works flawlessly. New BIOS also added support for higher speeds, one of my friends is running a 6600 kit on a Aorus board and it's running fine too. Maybe the IMC on chip isn't good on Jay's.
Which kit specifically do you have? Is it the 2x16 or the 2x32? CL30 or CL32? I've got the same memory on my list of parts to buy, thinking I might bump up to 2x32gb, but the only one officially listed as supported by my motherboard choice (asus rog strix B650E-F) is the 2x16gb CL30 version..while it lists the 2x32gb cl32 being supported. Both 6000mhz. Odd that just changing from 32 to 64gb the board says it goes from cl30 support to cl32 support. Although the g.skill website says that 2x32gb (cl30) works fine with the B650 boards.
@@slandshark I'm using 2x16 kit. It is odd that the motherboard QVL doesn't include 2x32 kit for your motherboard at cl30 but it'll most probably work.
I feel kinda blessed, 7950x3d Gigabyte X670 board, T-Force 6000mhz ram xmp RX7800XTX and I've not had issues with stability. I don't think i'm getting 100% performance but I went all team red.
I have had very similar issues (memory training loops, not hitting expected MHz, long or failed boots after having the system off for hours) with 7950X (non-3D), Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero, and 2x32GB Vengeance sticks that are supposed to run 5600 with EXPO, the system is only stable at
Some thoughts over my experience in these recent years. I ditched Asus mb for gigabyte as they seem more stable. I have read a lot about problems with expo ram kits. My preference is gskill xmp ram kits. I have worked with them in my last two builds (5800x, 7950x) and they're running rock solid. My job involves a lot of 3d rendering so everyday is like a stress test 😂.
ASUS has become increasingly unreliable over the years and even more appalling is the fact that their support has completely gone down the tubes. ASUS isn't nearly the company they were 5 years ago. ASUS likely still makes some good system boards but I wouldn't chance buying one because ASUS support is vast becoming an oxymoron. GIGABYTE, on the other hand, has really stepped up to the plate over the years. It's almost as though they found ASUS old client policy list, hired the best hardware developers they could get, and followed ASUS old model. If they stick to what they are doing they're going to pass ASUS both in quality components and customer satisfaction.
Several years ago i switched to AM4 with a X570 Tomahawk and a R7 3700X and i choose an expensive G.Skill XMP 3600 CL15 Kit (aim was to tune the memory to its limits) and oh my i never got the system stable at XMP speeds for about 1,5years. Then i switched to an R9 5900X, changed to an PCIe 4 m.2 and to a RX 6800XT and suddenly the RAM and the system worked as if nothing had happened before. My BIOS was always up to date. But since then it worked like a charme. I am satisfied at last since i value efficiency over raw power. Anyways saw both sides in one system and yeah it can be really annoying.
@@scannerman777 That's interesting. I used to always go with gigabyte because they were solid for me, but for my 7950x3d build I went with a gigabyte aero g board and it was nothing but problems for months- constant blue screens and crashing. I swapped to an asus strix x670e-a board and it has not crashed once. After I was satisfied and increases the speeds of my ram, it did start taking longer to boot but no crashing or blue screens at all.
When I built my system late last year, I was on a 7th gen i7 and decided to give AMD a try, as I had some good experiences with some of their older CPU's back in the mid 2000s. I ended up with a 7700x, and was a bit salty when the X3D CPU's came out a couple of months later. But after hearing your story, I'm glad I ended up with the standard chip. My system has been completely rock solid with 32gigs (2 16gb sticks) of Teamgroup 5200mhz DDR5. At my age, I'm happy to do less tweaking, and just have a good stable mid-range setup that I can step up in a couple of years as I need.
The 7700 is the sweet spot in terms of value, performance and power efficiency. Doesn't require an expensive VRM solution and a hefty cooler like the 13600K does.
"But after hearing your story, I'm glad I ended up with the standard chip." His issue is specific to the 7950X3D, not the 7800X3D. The latter has one chiplet, so it doesn't need to park any cores nor rely on Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications. I've been using it for the last 3 months with zero issues - running 6000 *MT/s* CL30, also from Team Group. Only took me a few hours to build it, get the applicable chipset drivers, and start playing games. I take many of the "I have issues with X, Y, and Z" comments with a grain of salt. I've dealt with five 3D chips now, two of which were for my own system (5800 & 7800), and no hiccups.
I'm sitting on my 2011 Gateway with an i5-2300 quad core with 3 FF windows and 32 tabs open (including 3 youtube, a Kongregate game, Facebook, etc) along with Irfanview and a mouse clicker all running. 2.8 Ghz CPU is popping a touch over 3 Ghz but still only 28-30% utilization... though my 12 gb of DDR3 is sweating a bit. Without closing anything, I can pop open Toontown with no issues (I know it's not a "real" game... and don't make fun of me, it's FUN). I've tried killing this thing with Photoshop... it won't die (like my Buick)! I agree about age and driving a Buick 😁, when I was building pcs, starting 20 years ago... it was fun and challenging (we couldn't use a mouse on our BIOS back then, kiddies). Now I just want it to work with minor tweaking... I didn't go AMD, but my CyberPower only ran me 850 with a 13400f, 1tb NVME gen4, 4060 card (beats my 7700 Ghost by a bit)... XMP was no big deal, BIOS flashed easy and can support 14th gen if I find one on the side of the road. My biggest issue so far is figuring out what the error codes on all these pulsing LED's fans mean! My biggest concerns have been... well, getting OG MSPaint onto Win11 (I know it's not a big deal, but that's how easy this was)... oh and I can't stop the mouse from cycling LED colors.
Why am I not using my new PC? It's too clean , don't want to muck it up. Kidding, need to wipe this and hand it off to my mom, locating and moving 12 years worth of files. And FULLY set up the CyberPower with everything I'll use... Ninite got me halfway there.
I have a 7800x3d and it works pretty great, my ram is also 6000MHz specifically the Gskill Trident Z5 with a B650 AX motherboard. The only issue I'm having with it that I didn't have with my previous 3900x is that during shader comps the CPU temps go insane. Normally at 100% it hovers around 80c, but during shader comps I've had it reach as high to 88c. But other than that it has been surprisingly stable and performs extremely well, it almost doubled my fps in some games and almost completely eliminated stutters. Also If you're not using the integrated GPU on the 7800x3d make sure to disable it in bios.
@@SekiberiusWelkesh the temps seem a bit close to tjmax at load. Have you used curve optimizer? Mine runs at - 30 curve optimizer stable. Switched to 360mm aio and temps do not cross 80c on full load, that is with the newer bios. The older bios allowed me to drop till - 39 CO and temps did not budge past 72c.
@@undiyos I ended up turning maximum power to 99% and it pretty much never goes above 70c anymore, performance is about the same as well. I discovered what was causing it, it was the V-Cache, which is apparently normal behavior.
Thanks for letting us know why you switched to Intel again, you really have good points why you did this. Talking about your stability issues, i had the same kind of problems for the last 3/4 year since i build my personal AM5 system. Started with a 7700X and later moved on to a delidded 7950X after Der 8auer's waterblock for delidded CPUs came out. Just managed about 3-4 weeks ago to get this system running with 6000 MHz on my G.Skill RAM after following the instructions of a video called "Easy memory timings for Hynix DDR5 with Ryzen 7000" from Actually Hardcore Overclocking. Don't kno if your HyperX Kit uses a Hynix memory but if so you maybe want to try this by yourself. I never had an issue since i set the paramaters manually like described in this video. Have a nice one, cheers.
The mistake I see Jay making is not properly stress test his RAM after changing RAM settings. Running default RAM settings is not magically 100% stable on most systems, Jay not doing the things the right way is giving him the issues. Having solid stable RAM on a Ryzen system is very important, on top of that he started to add curve optimizer settings on his CPU. Many overclockers will shake their heads how he did things, this is very wrong way of doing overclock on Ryzen.
I would like to see what it takes to fix this issue. Does swapping the CPU for another 7800x3D or same motherboard resolve the problems? Would love this to be a video
He should've swapped to the 7950X (non-3D) for 16 cores (32 threads) of all high-performance goodness. That's what I use, with the same motherboard as Jay and everything runs perfect, EXPO memory speeds as well.
My AMD build was an absolute nightmare, it wouldn't stop restarting at random. It got to the point of doing it multiple times a day and no one could figure out why. So glad I swapped over to Intel and Nvidia because so far this system is working just fine
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aged like milk
Been using Intel since 2012 but It's over for Intel ggs bro I think Im gonna switch to AMD
I came here to say this.
Yea
Jay should stick to telling people to GO OUT AND BY A RTX3090 right now for $1200 while you can :) .. that also aged really well.. he is on a roll this guy! Whatever he does... do the opposite and you should be golden. haha
More liked aged like raw milk (raw milk spoils faster in case you didn't know)
Where's the "After switching I went back to AMD" video?
Its out, check that out 🤣🤣
@@haneterujoseon7350 LOOOOOL
@@haneterujoseon7350yeah I was gonna say. lol
why would he? he just made videos covering the issue, his CPU wasnt even affected. unlike his AMD CPU which WAS unstable. thats the reality - intel is more stable at its worst than AMD at its best. cope harder
@@theendurance And maybe you can have better overclock with INTEL. I give 40%+ overclock performance (score) with my intel .... old CPU of course
7800x3D with Gigabyte b650 elite, gskill 6000 ram and 4090, been stable, no bluescreens, no slow startups. PBO on -30 and it's been good. It was my first build since owning a 4790k so was kind of nervous about not making any mistakes but thank God its been working great.
Yeah I myself have a 7950x3d build. Been stable with 6000 ram since day one. Really don’t know what Jay’s issue is but there’s no way in hell you give up the best gaming cpu and go for power hungry intel.
rip
He should have tested that system with other brand ram modules.
@@MustafaGT the issue is that Jay simply loves Intel and that's it. No other excuse or whatever - not sure why not just say it straightforward, same as he builds everything on GeForce cards. It's fine to be brand-fan and stick to it as long as it's good, but just damn admit it...
@@utawamaruI mean its clear that nvidia has better gpus so its okay.
This didn't age well
why
@@D2ee2aKolYoum 13th and 14th generation intel chips are experiencing severe stability issues. It's suspected that there is degradation of the chip itself under normal (not overclocked) loads. It starts with a few crashes here and there. The crashes become more frequent. It culminates in blue screens of death.
@@anduinxbym6633 Man good thing I got the i9 11th gen instead of the 13th when it came out, guess I dodged a bullet.
Right
@@anduinxbym6633 11 and 12 gen still exist and the same performance no issues
Better update this vid because people are getting misled if they still watching this...
Having used both (well a 7800x3d) the stability issues on the AMD was worse for me. I already knew to set the power limits for the intel out of the box due to reading about it 6 months ago on a reddit post. I’d rather pay more for more stability, and for my use case the 14900k has lived up to that offered me better performance.
same@@wr2899 Same set my PL 1/2 to 253 watts and download the MicroCode update No issues since I got it
@@wr2899I’ve never had stability issues out of my 7800x3d. Sounds like user error
@@sav22rem22 Can't tell if you're attempting to be humorous or don't understand how different components with the same CPU can lead to different results.
@@wr2899 Swicthed to 7800x3d after my 14700k and im more happy than before . AMD wins
Im still on am4 5900x its been such a great cpu and i will upgrade to the 9900x when it comes out next year. Getting first gen am5 was brave for anybody who did it but i thank them.
Thanks for all the likes and comments.
I’ve got the same cpu and it’s awesome.
same! paired mine with a 4080 from MSI. there's nothing I can throw at it to really make it show it's 'age'.
My plan is to get a 7600x or 7700x and then use the AM5 platform for architectural upgrades when they change how CCD optimisation works for the next Zen products. Switching to LGA and pushing 3D Vcache to higher clocks and cores is just flying too close to the sun right now.
@@heyitsterry The only thing I can think of, other than benchmarks, in gaming maybe cities skylines 2, or the next battlefield.
Same plan! I will get next AMD with 5000 series Nvidia.
I wonder how Jayz will look back to this video with the i7/i9 instability issues.
lol - now with the 14900K it's like "famous last words"
Yea I’m curious how many of those stability issues are due to motherboards throwing gobs of volts to CPU’s……
@@dropmymonkey7073 Congratulations, you're spouting 2 months old misinformation. Intel has put that hypothesis behind long ago.
"This aged like milk"
Intel said it will be a fix in mid August, just voltage issue
i guess you need to reverse back to ryzen
You’re right. I recently got the 14900k i9 and it makes many games I could previously run pretty well unplayable ☠️
@@Doc_Elijah Turn off Enhanced Multi Core, it will help a lot with performance and keeping your CPU Cooler.
@@WercSmarT
LOL crippling your CPU to run stable, ouch
@@SMGJohn I still get 39000 points on Cinebench, it’s fine. I’m not losing enough performance to make a difference, might as well run cooler.
@@WercSmarT
I too enjoy buying hardware I have to deliberately cripple for it to be stable, mate.
Do you look yourself in mirror at times??
I had similar issues very early on with a 7950X, and it seemed like memory stability as well. Fast forward a week of debugging and I decided to disable the CPU's onboard AMD graphics in the device manager. I never had a memory issue again.
I've had endless issues since I built my R9 a few weeks ago, very similar to everything Jay is laying out here. I just turned switched off the integrated system, I'll report back here if it ends up helping!
@@daldladladid it?
did it @@daldladla
@@huntermckinney5239No. Can't turn on EXPO with stability, Windows 11 current update cannot install, white static led on Asus motherboard occasionally comes on indicating an issue with GPU connection (i've reset it, it's secure.) All of this since I updated the bios - shoulda kept it factory like I always have lol. Considering just returning the board to Microcenter and seeing how another one pans out. As long as I keep HDR off the video is stable. Anyways thanks for checking back in. The joys of PC ownership.
@@daldladlaany updates at this moment
I've been using AM5 since launch, running HyperX EXPO 6000mhz, started out with 7700x on release, then moved to 7900x 3D when it dropped, and now on 7800X 3D... besides the usual longer post times, the system is solid as a rock!
You must be super rich to be able to do that, jeez! 😂
Thanks for sharing. Good to hear people that are not in it for the views had a good experience.
@@Otto45 Depending on the country, you can afford this kind of setup easily with median income. It is not like a car or a house.
Owning a couple computer stores gives me the advantage lol
i had issues with my 7700x system, but after updating BIOS a bunch of times is working fine. That being said it isnt as hassle free as my old intel 7700k.
At our repair shop, we've seen a small handful of X3D systems come in with RAM instability, too. The solutions varied by computer. One had a dead CMOS bettery which resulted in the BIOS resetting every time he turned off his PC, and the stock BIOS setting kept enabling XMP at a speed the CPU absolutely hated; fixed with new CMOS battery and proper settings. Another had RAM that wasn't white-listed for the number of sticks (x4); the timings were off from other sticks on the white list; switched with "compatible" RAM, set XMP to supported speed, and it stabilized. Another refused to dual-channel with XMP turned on; updated BIOS and set RAM clocks to a speed listed on the mobo specs. On and on and on. We routinely refer to AMD CPUs, GPUs, and MOBOs as "fussy" and "finicky" because the tinkering seems to never end. Edit: "Instability" varied from failing Memtest to BSODs to hard shut offs during benchmarks.
The only times I ever had problems like that with RAM was when there were bent CPU pins but obviously the pins aren't bent in every one of these cases so I wonder what the CPU is doing to cause these errors, I wonder if it's the unrefined hardware or lack of software that will behave properly with the hardware it could be because of the goofy ass architecture AMD came up with too it sounds cool but doesn't seem like it's very reliable, might be fixed in future revisions
So, user incompetence 99% of the time. Never had a problem when actually finding out what parts everyone recommends in their own manuals. Its so fkn hard to read, isnt it.
My new AMD system is kicking ass, really stable and fast, even though my CPU is non x3d its the 7900, I put that in for a power efficient build.
"Fussy" and "finicky" are weird descriptors when users are failing to read their motherboard's QVL RAM compatibility.
We know DDR5 is weird with 2< RAM sticks, even on Intel.
people when they use non recommend parts and they dont work properly (shocking): 😒😒😠😡😡😡🤬🤬😔😔😓
No problem, a microcode change and 10% reduction in performance and we're good to go!
RIP Raptor Lake 2023-2024. Good run boys.
Well i got hacked 3 times it fried my brain and all this insane information from generation one you need a gen 3 it was even speeding up the way my mind process time ... interesting.. it was a ryzen 1700x.. that crappy company ripped me off 1000 dollars... but it was insanely powerful pc with bad gpu I built
It's not a 10% drop 5 % max
@@johnstannard8366 5% is still 5%, and that's assuming they won't have to patch it again. And that's before you factor in the people microcode will not help because the processor is already fried!
@@Raptorman0909 that falls under false advertising doesn't it????
also what about people who had small issues, like random crashes that weren't really constant or people whom had shader loading issues on games, are those guys cooked too????
Memory Issues are a PITA . Please continue to use both platforms and let us know what is the best overall. Stability is more important when your rig is a daily driver not just a drag racer.
I have had nothing but problems with my 7950X3D. I ended up RMA'ing 2 of them (both of the main machines in the house)and was issued a refund by AMD for both. I replaced them with 7800X3D. No regrets. The stability has been night and day difference between the 2. I finally have some confidence in the brand again.
AMD is lucky you still are their customer tbf@@th3count
Wtf is a PITA
@@Nevsack63True
@@Nevsack63 pain in the ass
I have the 5800X3D and it works really well. Stable, good memory stability. But its also end of a platform.
Are the 1% low's any good? I'm thinking of upgrading from the 5600 to 5800x3d
End of a platform is not a bad thing. It means that it's mature technology. Which is why you have such stability in the first place.
Seems like x3d is stable with 5000 series but not yet with the 7000 series
@@levinoppers8151 i upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d and to be honest it's not that much of an upgrade, so just dont waste your money, i mean it still depends on what games you play but still ...
Lets be honest, its going to be good for a fair few more years to come unless you are going bleeding edge with GPU, and throw in the growing support for handheld PC's with much weaker CPU and GPU performance, and I am betting you will be fine for in the very least, until the next console gen and even then it won't be that bad.
Bought a 7800X3D with a 4090 after your "Thread Controller" comments earlier in the year. Absolutely rock solid and fantastic for work and gaming. Side benefit, it all went in a Fractal Torrent Compact so it's small and quiet to boot.
7800X3D is the best CPU for gaming.
@@musclecargarage2875 That's been my experience as well. Got a 7800x3d and a 4090 and it crushes everything I throw at it. I also have had an RAM issues like some people. I have in the past, though, so I think some of it is luck-of-the-draw.
same system, same experience; rock solid performance
@@Av3nger89 No it doesn't. It gets 18K R23 scores. That's quad core numbers......
@@kramnull8962 It's slower than higher core count CPUs but what quad core gets 18k in R23? It's ok to not like AMD CPUs but it isn't ok to be disingenuous.
: The 7800X3d is the best gaming CPU of 2023
: The X3D has the most problems with RAM and System stability
Wtf?
I can't make a decision like this omfg
Amd beat intel get more views on youtube. its simple.
As per Jayz 2 cents, 7950x3d has issues. Due asymmetric design i.e one of the cores has x3d and other doesn't. 7800x3d is single ccd so it should not have that issue.
Been running a 7900x non 3D with 6,000 cl36 since November 2022. Some initial teething issues getting it booted and stable, but every BIOS update has only made it more stable. No issues for a long time here, couldn't be happier with the overall performance.
I second this, been on AM5 from 2nd week of launch so practically a year, I get memory trainings for about 2 minutes once a month on random but that is it!!!
I just built a 7900x/7800xt system with 64 GB of 6000 and I love it
yup, my experience. 7900 non-x is incredibly efficient and i love not battling with power issues and bios updates because it is on a budget workstation/server. i need it up all the time and on a budget.
i would opt for 7800x3d over 7900x3d any day. single ccd with v-cache is better then 2 ccd where only one has v-cache.
I have to agree, i've had no issues with my 6000m/t kit since launch. Due to the 1.3v issues, i haven't upgraded my bios since initial set up.
7700x here coming from 10700k. First amd cpu and the experience was amazing. I really like it.
I had the exact same issues as you described. Clocking memory back, then eventually running stock. The only thing that fixed it. Was swapping out the CPU. The "bad" CPU for me was the 5800x. Buying a 5800x3d fixed the issue. So i don't think it's down to the 3d V cache. It's probably quality control issue with AMDs memory controllers.
Tbf, I had a 12900k that had the same issue, once I upgraded to a 13900k I could actually get the advertised speeds. I don't think that this is just an AMD issue.
When did you buy your 5800x? Aka, is it an earlier model? I've seen and heard a lot of issues with AMD and ram when the AM5 platform was first released. In August, I upgraded to a 7800x3d, 7900xt, and 32gb 6000mhz, and experienced virtually no issues. However, I'm not doing extensive technical stuff like streaming, video encoding, and everything is air cooled and not overclocked.
I mainly ask because it seems a lot of youtubers and early adopters seem to still be having issues, while new adopters don't. Sometimes small QA changes can have big impacts, like a different pcb supplier, or extra support somewhere, or adding an extra .01% nickel to your alloy.
SAME! I purchased a 5800X back in January of 2022 and I would just have random restarts where the system would just literally black screen and well... restart... changed RAM, Mobo, PSU and still same problem until I finally decided it might be the CPU. January of this year I purchased the 5800X3D and bam, no more random restarting... A wild problem that I never really expected to be a problem.
early stepping 5800x i take it?
my launch 5800x was garbage. could barely do 5.7ghz static at like 1.35v
the best clocking 8c16t Zen 3 i've ever had was actually a 5700x that did 5.05 - 5.075ghz PBO/CO on the two best cores and 4.85ghz static at 1.31v
I had a 5900x runing with a 3600 mhz 32gig kit that was specifically tuned for ryzen. I had zero issue runing DOCP for 2 years. Now, i have a 7600 with a 32gig kit at 6000mhz. I had one issue with the OC. It started to bluescreen on me. I just clear cmos and redo the OC and now it works like previously. Biosses are poop. If you change things left and right, especially if you use ryzen master, some settings will be bugged and you have to clear cmos.
Running 7900X3D combined with the 7900XTX. This was my only AMD build in about 15 years, so far IT'S A BEAST. I don't "abuse" my PC as much as I used to so I haven't had any problems yet, gonna bookmark this for my records and will UPDATE IT IF I RUN INTO ANY PROBLEMS.
Do the problems talked about here (with Jay's setup for example) occur only when overclocking? Getting my AMD setup too and got bit worried about these issues. No plans to mess with the system, just run it default, so hopefully it goes problem free.
excactly the setup i want to get. can you share you complete list of specs? i'm curious to what MB you're using, RAM too
AMD is ok for casual gamers, but for streaming+gaming+browsers opened with multipletabs you'll experience stutters ans real 1% frame losses compared to Intel.
Putting almost best consumer PC pieces for "not abusing my PC" -what is wrong with you people.
With a 7800x3d and 4080 rtx you would spend less and gain more with rt and lower consumption
This is my first AMD CPU in 15 years also 🤣😂😂
That's a bummer that you've had so many problems with that 7950x3d. My 7800x3d has been rock solid since I bought on launch day. I'll admit, I do hesitate to update the bios just because it is perfectly stable and don't want to screw that up, so my bios is a few months old. The ram is running at 6000 cl 30 with manual timings as well as manually set SOC voltage of 1.2 and a modest -20 CO offset.
Ive had the 7950x3d since july and its bee great for me
Im planning on getting a 7800x3d with 6000 cl 30 RAM too.
Same thing man, had mine a couple months now and running perfectly. Fingers crossed it stays this way. I found prioritising the 3d cache in the bios works wonders and makes sure games are using that CCD
Unless there's some breaking news about a security flaw or double digit percentage performance loss due to a bug, I don't update the BIOS if everything's stable. Why try to fix a wheel when it's not broken, after all?
@@blarghmcblarghson1903 Agreed
@JayzTwoCents Now that the AMD system is torn down, I would love to see you try the CPU and Memory in different motherboards and see if you have any different results. Or do the issues with the memory continue to plague the system. If that is the case, then would another brand of the same speed memory change the outcome. I have always loved trouble shooting these types of issues. Perhaps a Colab with Gamers Nexus with the system components being tested by them is in order?
If it's silicon lottery losses, it's not gonna matter what they go in. If it's BIOS related, well, good luck.
@@OutLanderUSNSilicone lottery wouldn’t affect this because he’s running at the manufacturer’s rated specs. Silicone lottery would be affecting overclocked systems or timings tweaked beyond what the manufacturer rated them for.
@@Poketroid23 My take on the OP here was a suggestion to try putting the CPU and RAM in different motherboards and try overclocking, as the crux of Jay's issues are that activating the XMP/EXPO/DOCP profiles don't work properly. Which could either be a loss at the silicon lottery or a bad BIOS/mobo.
I would have changed the memories before the cpu, I had memory issues with both cpu brands it's not like it's exclusive to amd
@@DarkP1 The IMC's on AMD's cpu's can barely over clock compared to intel's. The max mhz support it far below what Intel has. For AMD to be the original pioneered of the "integrated memory controller" they've neglected for so long now to the point where it is a liability for their own cpu's now.
I’m running a 7950x3d and I haven’t had the problems you have. It’s been really stable with 6000 cl32. I’m running a 32gb kit at that speed on the crosshair gene. I’m running intel for a laptop Alienware x15 R2. It’s also really stable. I think the final comment makes the most sense, we finally have choice again in the cpu space and that’s good.
I did experience similar issues with my first 7950 x3d, bestbuy took it without issue as defective and the replacement is stellar! High performance, multitasking and gaming monster gaming...... Running EXPO 6400 zero crashes or boot issues.
I want to get this chip for streaming over the 7800x3d do you think that the 7950x3d would be good for that
It's actually really interesting to hear this. I'm currently running the 7800X3D on an ASRock X670E Steel Legend with G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO and AMD EXPO, and besides of memory training every time I update the BIOS (which makes sense) I had zero real issues. But I guess I'm just lucky and I have a good MOBO manufacturer.
ASRock used to be the bottom of all jokes as the quality was pathetic and only the people on very thight budget would touch them.
That was until they got a new CEO who turned them around and they have been pumping good stuff.
Asus used to be the king be the last couple of years , they are heding str8 down to where ASRock used to be.
Funny enaugh AMD had the same story , before Lisa S took over as CEO they ware heading down to bancrupcy and a rummer was that intel was going to goble them (the years when Intel had no competition).
You shouldnt have any of Jays issues as your 7800X3D only uses one CCD and no parking is required.
I've got exacly the same cpu and mobo and no problems at all too. I have even pushed my ram at 6200.
7800X3D with an ASRock X670E pg lightning, corsair 6000mhz 32CL RAM (which probably has some issues itself) I needed to put my RAM at 5400-5600 for the longest time because every few weeks it wouldn't boot anymore or my games would get "corrupt install file" errors when updating, now after a bios update for RAM I can run it on 5800mhz and have done so for the last couple of months without issue, still can't hit 6000mhz and when I do a memtest it has a few errors sadly but I blame that on faulty RAM, and at this point it isn't an issue yet so I'll just keep trucking.(can't afford to be without a pc for 2-3 weeks for them to RMA it)
I got a Gigabyte B650 AX and 7800x3d for a while now, not using EXPO but I had no issues at all for now. It is rocking. btw what are your temps? Mine stays on 30-40 idle and goes up to 60-70 on some loads, is yours ok?
After hearing this and Brad Shoemaker's experience, think I'm just going to stick with my 5800X3D til the next generation and see how things pan out, not in any huge hurry anyway, and definitely don't want to create additional headache for minimal gains at this point.
When I ran my 3800 before it also took 2 years before I could run full memory speed. So I just upgrade to 5800x3d
I just upgraded to a 5800x3d from a 3600 two weeks ago. I feel zero need to upgrade anytime soon
@@robo-ert5754it’s a good cpu no need to upgrade anytime soon
same
What Intel chip should I go with
This is why I went with 7800X3D, because I didn't want to deal with the split CCD management. My g-skill 6000 32GB kit has been solid.
who needs insane fps in indie games?🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue indie games aren't relevant here
@@vgm6025 oh yes they are since jaystwocents says they are🤣
Better get a 13700K and turn off Hyper Threading. Then you have faster no. 9 to 16 cores. Also processor gets less warm (won't clock down much then), uses less energy. Change in Bios that speed can go up to 5800mhz for the first 4 cores. You have a lightning fast game PC then.
@@jankees4037 and undervolt for better thermals to🤣
Kinda same problems I had to dealt with my 7800x3d, but I set BIOS to default and I don't get boot loops and blue screens anymore. Interesting to see this video from you and getting feedback or informations that these problems are on AMD's side not that I did something wrong.
annnnd... I am getting constant freezes at Idling with my 5800x. Never had any issues with Intel before. I had to tweak a bunch of numbers to let it stop freezing at idle and man the debugging process was painful af because it happens randomly and there's no logging whatsoever because the system suddenly dies. Thinking about going back to Intel honestly.
No no if you switch, you are just an Intel fanboy!!
SAME. Everyone online is just saying AMD is God and it's my fault and now I'm glad I know it isn't just me. I'm just gonna stay with my old PC where bootup or crashes are something I never even had to think about and wait to see if the next gen fixes things
@@rh666 I had this problem on my Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master w9ith a 5900x...... I would assume the gigabyte software and windows update would keep all relevant drivers for my mobo up to date.... and I was wrong. Way wrong. Went to Gigabytes website and manually downloaded all the drivers for my system, installed them manually, and all the rarndom "freez while idle" problems went away
yo Jay it seems to me like the memory stability issue you were running into on am5 was that memory context restore ON but memory power down mode OFF leads to random crashes like you're describing. Leaving both on should make you stable if this is the issue. This is a very common issue for people used to turning off power down mode because it increased stability in ddr4 systems.
I built a new PC a few weeks ago. My first full upgrade in 10+ years, moving from an i7-3770 to an i5-13600K. It's wonderful. Seeing test results showing AMD performs better in some games gave me a moment of pause, but I've always had Intel so it's an easy buy for me. They are already overkill for 4K gaming, and I like that they shine in multiple areas and aren't only great at one thing.
Really, unless AMD comes out with something that is the true all-around champ, I don't see myself leaving Intel.
I'm thinking I got one of those golden samples too. I have mine overclocked to 5.5/4.2 at 1.2V. All stability and stress tests (AIDA64, OCCT, Prime95 etc..) pass without an issue. Maybe I could push it further. I haven't tried. As I've realized that overclocking is more about the "sport" of it and less about the performance gains, I don't feel it's worth it to push this as far as I can. In an hour of AVX2 testing in OCCT, one core reached 93. Without AVX instructions, I barely surpass 80C. This CPU is just a dream.
I do have a Thermalright contact frame, btw, so that is likely adding to the efficacy of my Phantom Spirit.
Great CPU, oh and a breeze to overclock....though yours is so much better than mine as 1.2v is very impressive!!!!!! Have mine (13700K) running at a max 1.278v on an adaptive vcore hitting 5.5Ghz and temps are in the low 80's when pushing CineBench R24 multi-core test...Have a 360mm AIO and I got the Thermalright contact frame which does help...
I have been building gaming PCs since the late 90's, almost every AMD I have ever had I had issues with. I remember building my first AMD, 2 exact PCs at the same time, AMD 233mhz (yes I am that old) and mine worked fine but my friends kept blue screening, he had to change his clock speed to 200Mhz to fix it. I tried going AMD later in years and ran into compatibility issues with NVIDA cards. I justs gave up. I thought by now I could trust them and almost built and AMD over my current i9 a couple of years ago but I just don't think the reliability I have had with intel is worth the gamble. My old gaming PC which is first gen i7 still runs great, I have a first gen i5 laptop from MSI still runs, and the only things I have done to them is regular upgrades like more ram, SSD, and new gfx card.
Only weird issue I've ever had with AMD right now when I built a PC for somebody was random crashing/freezing unless I turned Global C-State Control off. This was on a flagship Gigabyte board with a non-3D 7950X. I've been hearing that intel also has its own issues so I think it's just a fact that both sides are on spotty grounds right now with a hit-miss situation per user.
The main reason I tend to lean AMD right now though, is the huge power consumption discrepancy. Going by KitGuruTech's benchmark results (since I have no i9 on hand right now), the 7950X3D consumes 151w during 10min Cinebench 23, while 7950X consumes 205w, versus 13900K consuming 253w~300w. That's a whopping 100+watts difference. While power bills might not be a problem, the heat output is, especially where I'm located which is a tropical country.
same issue with c-state
tbf the 7950x3d was known to be "buggy" from the get go with their 2 ccd's in gaming, u can have a workaround with it tho. Like process lasso u can set an affinity core for every program u want or creating a batch file doing the same thing.
depends on what you're doing. the intel chips only turn into space heaters when you hammer all cores (not helped by the fact that motherboard makers tend to overvolt the hell out of those CPUs).
when gaming, they use only slightly more power than the 7000 series and are not really all that hard to cool, even the 13900K. hardware canucks made a video about this.
AMD 5950x | ASUS Strix B550F Gamming | DDR4 Kingston Fury | Gygabyte RTX 3090 | NVME Samsung | Running for couple of years 100% stable and powerfull. I think I can have this computer for another two years and still be powerfull enough for Production and Personal Use.
I'm pairing up that CPU with a RX 7900 GRE on an Asus Prime X370- A. In a few years, I'll update the motherboard. I think I'll be good for awhile.
phenom x6 1090t, 12 years running at full capacity, without issues. 24 dolars deepcool cpu cooler, amazing temps 21, 22 years experience techinician
7950x here, same issues. I'm glad Jay spoke out about this, I thought I was going insane.
You must be doing Cad or things of that nature to not have bought 7800X3D for gaming.
It out does everything in most games and does it for about 50-80 watts than 500 watts or so of other chips that get beat by a 50- 80 Watt CPU with lower temps on top of it.
@@truthseeker6532The Ryzen 9 7950X will outlive the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in gaming because the X3D chips have clockspeed jitter problems and the 7950X has a lot of cores for fast shader compilation and smooth 1% lows if the game calls those cores for that.
I own a Core i7-12700K and i don't have to worry about microstuttering or stuttering because of the smooth clocks and high core count.
I hope Intel continues to treat you well. I took a bit of a leap going for the 7800x3d (I do know about the 2 CCD vs 1 but it was the change to AMD and the RAM frequency issues) after being Intel my whole life. So far the only issue was the power supply nuking itself after only 2 years but I was so ready to blame it on the new platform. Knock on wood I'm hoping it keeps going well and hopefully skunkworks is rock solid as well (and fits in your house).
Best choice. I don't even know why anyone would go for anything else. I still can't believe the performance numbers while drawing soo little power, it's just bonkers. This cpu can easily last 5 years in a top tier gaming system and after that a potential 9800x3d can probably be just swapped in.
His problem is the 7950x3D sucks. The 7800x3D is good. I guess he wants more cores and faster RAM timings. He’s making a long winded excuse to go back to a dead platform and use way more power lol.
@@quintrapnell3605 Why do you care about power so much? I really don't get why people care so much about power, in their PCs while they have RGB everywhere and subsused cooling systems. i understand people like 3D cos better benchmarks I get it. But power? who cares unless is a laptop
CPU power wont make a such difference anyway when choosing PSU. So why?
7800X3D only has a single CCD with the V-Cache on it. So it doesn't suffer from the problems he described with the 7950X3D.
And for gaming there is not much point in more than 8 cores anyways.
@@quintrapnell3605 AMD sells something that sucks and wastes someone's time. Common AMD Fan reaction.. YOU BOUGHT THE WRONG ONE!
That sucks to hear that you had so many issues with your system. I picked up my 7800x3d during the voltage issues and was worried because I’d picked out an Asus board along with it. But I must’ve been lucky because I haven’t had any issues with it all so far, PBO and ram set at 6000 too. It’s run like a top for me, but hopefully you have better luck on your new set up!
95% of people didn't have issues with ASUS boards. So, it's more like, you need to be extremely unlucky to have that issue.
That makes me feel much better (I'm thinking of getting a 7800X3D).
What is your board?
I feel Jay is gonna look at this video and go, "D'oh!"
Running a 7950x3D since release, and yes it felt a big janky.
But I have now settled, I have completely disabled their filesystem driver thingy so no more core parking, and I manually set the core affinity of *new games once* through ProcessLasso so they run on the correct CCD, and Process Lasso remembers of course.
It's manual work once per new game, but for me it works great!
Also power efficiency can't be beat.
Same here, Process Lasso is a great utility, my system has been stable since I built it and haven't noticed any of the issues Jay has mentioned. I run 64Gb of 6000MHz memery too (G.Skill), not had a single BSOD
@@Hombre1968 Same here, PC is running rock solid. I am also doing some light Curve Optimizer UV (just -10 on the 3D CCD and -15 on the non-3D) for a tad more thermal and efficiency gains, my RAM is also 6000 with manual agressive CL30 timings (I mostly just yoinked the timings from Buildzoids' 6000 OC video), these timings are more agressive than the standard 6000 CL30 XMP profile.
Last uptime was 45 days straight, had to reboot for a windows update
7800x3d still on top regarding power
@@aziaufa418 That's true, one less CCD to feed power to.
But for people like me who need CPU horsepower during work (Homeoffice, dealing with big datasets and databases to churn through) but still like to game after work, the 7950x3D is the best of both worlds
@@JayanWarden Hi Jayan, which motherboard and Ram did you go with? Thanks
I've been running a 5800X3D for a year and been very impressed with it. Power usage while gaming is around 50-80W and overall frametimes have been very smooth.
I'm getting one today to upgrade from my Ryzen 5 3600.
Had to pick one up for my AM4 socket before they discontinue at some point.
Here i am, swapping out my 5950x because it was the biggest piece of garbage ever created.. I never had so many issues.. I hope it serves you well.
@@RngmonsterX Not had any problems with my 5950x
Same, paired with a 4070 Ti it's been smashing any game I've thrown at it :)
@thegiantgaming7592 I did the same upgrade (3600 > 5800X3D) and it was 100% worth it.
I built my first system this year and I went with the 13th gen intel. So far it's been treating me well.
thats why i stick with intel. intel is always stable. amd, not so much
I also went for an i5-13600kf and I love it
@@jebes909090Intel is having a lot of issues with the 13900k / 14900k (14900k one or two cases so far) with the CPU degrading over time and users having to lower the PCore ratio because it became unstable with the default 55x.
I had a 13900KF and had to RMA it, now after a month I'm having same issues with the replacement.
My 12700k since Nov 21' has been flawless so far.
It’s should be awesome in the winter 🔥🔥🔥!
Im useing the 7950x3d since March with 6000 cl30 corsair ram and useing curve optimizer and it works with 0 crashes, no bluescreen and fast boots. Ive always used intel cpus before and im currently kinda happy with the amd cpu.
what motherboard are you using?
@@coke4274 sorry for the super late response im
Useing the gigabyte x670e aorus master
I would appreciate it if you could tell me which motherboard and RAM you are using.
@@Aolzarin Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB(2x16) 6000MT/s CL30
It's spelled "using".
Love how the algorithm is digging up all these videos now that we know how bad 13/14 Intels really are.
And i can't find more than 5 new videos about this! TH-cam is hiding it!!
Upgraded my intel 6700k, 16gb ddr4, nvidia evga 1080 hybrid, samsung 1tb SSD at the start of october. To a 7800x3d 32gb, sapphire nitro 7900xtx, samsung 990 m.2 2t. Loving it so far and the jump in gaming performance is astonishing. Im literally getting an extra 100fps in my games like warhammer total war 3 and baldurs gate 3.
I recently built my first system a few months ago using 7800x3D + 3080 and it has been treating me well. The temps are doing well under load, no crashes or random blue screens. What's funny is before building the PC, I was getting frequent crashes and blue screens on my 4 year old laptop because of Windows updates🙃
Glad it wasn't just me. I went through about two years where I swear every windows update murdered my system. There was one it would try, it would murder it, it would roll it back then two weeks later it would try it again and I couldn't find a way to just disable updates. That laptop now has Linux Mint on it and sits next to me for emails and web browsing. Linux refuses to acknowledge the presence of my discreet laptop graphics card so its not all sunshine and roses but I don't play games on it anyway.
I'm using the same config myself actually. I'm also liquid cooling both in a FD Meshify 2.
Definitely true on keeping up with BIOS updates. When I first put together my Ryzen 5 3600 on X570 I couldn't get even 3200 MHz DDR4 stable, and there were lots of weird hiccups and micro stutters, the latter particularly annoying because it would also briefly freeze any audio playing. It took a year of updates to really get things sorted out to a point where it felt truly solid. I guess the real moral of the story is if you're going AMD, maybe buy in towards the end of a generation instead of the beginning, if you need absolute stability.
Edit: Almost forgot that using the front USB would also cause it to completely lock up at times, though that was to AMD's credit one of the first things that went away with updates.
I had a similar issue to your weird hiccups on my previous X570 system with 5700X. It turned out for me that the thing causing the weird hiccups including in audio was the fTPM implementation. Since I am still on Windows 10, I just disabled the module and the hiccups went away for me. I am guessing by this point that is fixed for the X570 board I have (sitting in the other room in the box. I have a friend who is going to build a newer pc for themselves with it when they come to visit from out of state) but I haven't been using it for a while now so I can't be certain. I would hope so, and hopefully it doesn't cause the same stutter issues in Windows 11.
So, i can't speak about Ryzen 7XXX
But i've had 3900X and 5950X on ASUS Z570 PRO board. It was the single worst experience with hardware i've ever had.
I strongly believe their BIOS team is either incompetent or are simply trolling.
The number of times they've released BIOS that would bug out on any frequency above 3200 is ridiculous.
Every 2nd BIOS update was straight up broken.
I've switched to another brand since then and had 0 problems with same RAM and CPU.
I've promised myself to avoid AMD+ASUS combo at all costs.
Watching this while still on a overclocked 2500k sandy bridge. Does surprisingly well in a lot of gaming applications.
5800x3d, absolutely amazing. Initially had some RAM stability, but Gigabyte 550b mobo firmware patches fixed it rather quickly and now RAM also runs at intended speeds. At the beginning one thing that got me spooked was how quickly it jumped to Tmax, practically instantaneously, no matter the clock or voltage. But was stable and almost doesn't throttle down during summer. I considered the super slight throttle-down an ok tradeoff. Having a Noctua NH-D15 with double fans and an open box btw.
Dude! I was exactly the same... like crapped myself the 1st time as it was sooo quick, like you say instantaneous! ...I'd used decent thermal paste, and a dual 120mm fan Thermalright Peerless Assassin. I updated to latest BIOS, and set the RAM settings manually, and it seems okay... I only get the occasional BSOD and that was when I've been in Microsoft Flight Simulator which would make anything but Threadripper with 4090 cry
I found it's sensitive to fan settings, though mainly more the fans ramping quickly until I set a delay in BIOS. Never had an issue with them getting to the max temperatures though (that's 90C or something?). Curve Optimiser is your friend here (there's the PBO2 tool which lets you do this on X3D), found that I had stability just using someone else's modest settings to achieve -30 on all cores (you're generally not supposed to just use other people's settings, but it was stable so whatever) and a sizeable reduction in power/temps while actually gaining a sliver more performance. Even if you can't quite manage that, it can at least let you lower those temps down to give yourself more headroom.
I had the same thing and undervolted in BIOS and now I have a stable under 50C while playing Cyberpunk at High to Ultra settings.
@@GrandHighGamer Thanks for sharing, wasn't aware of the PB02 tool... I'll give it a go"
what does issues with ram stability look like?
I love my 7950x3d. I use process lasso and prefer cache in bios. This pretty much takes away all issues especially if as you say a lot of games are less known that you play. ECLK is used to bring up frequency on the vcache ccd so you can OC a bit. I haven't experienced any of the memory issues you have so can't speak to that, running Buildzoid's timings at 6000. Got it delidded so temps are really good. I understand and respect your choice, hopefully others that have already purchased this chip can find these "fixes," especially use prefer cache in bios if you game a lot. The power usage still amazes me. End of rant, Thanks Jay!
Can you give me either a link or quick steps to use process lasso? What exactly is it?
@@NmsOnetk0you don't need a lasso. In bios choose cppc - by driver. And if the game is new, just add the game in the game bar.
Or just use the tray program - v-cache.
7950x3d needs Process Lasso for max performance.
Yes, it's a slight announce to be the thread director.
Ccd0 for gaming only.
Ccd1 for system tasks, background tasks, chrome, discord and everything else.
Also offload all infinity interrupts into ccd1 as well.
My average Dpc latency is under 1ms in latencymon.
Buttery smooth and zero dips in gaming.
Downside is there is a learning curve to set up the 7950x3d in this manner.
Best CPU I have used so far.
@@jsktravels1307 nope, it does not. Any of my game always on cache ccd. If I alt-tab, it instantly goes to frequency ccd and back to cache after alt tab in game.
Without game, in any software cache ccd in parked state and work only frequency ccd.
@@jsktravels1307can you please share how you eventually set it up in BIOS as per your best working experience?
Thank you!
I came from a 3700x, upgraded to a 5700x and the x3d variant before going for the 7800x3d. AM4 x3d was just plug and play. I even had 4 sticks, no issues whatsoever and it was great. The 7800x3d on the other side gave me problems to no end.
I don't shy away from manual tuning, but I experienced a lot of things you did Jay. Sometimes it was fine for a week and then wouldn't boot at all. Sometimes it would get stuck on Code 15, other times completely random ones.
I'm running 4 sticks (which is stupid with 7th Gen AMD, I know) at 5400MT/s, but the system randomly freezes for a second every once in a while.
I hope this is just a hickup on AMD's part with AM5 and the next generation will be more stable, otherwise I would jump to Intel.
sounds like a u problem
Running a 7800X3D since July with 2 sticks of 16GB of 6000MT/s in Dual Channel ... no problems whatsoever *shrug*
what made you upgrade from a 3700x to the 5700x before the 3dcpu ?
I been having issues with my pc but then yesterday pc just BSOD running 7900x with 4080 strix and when i tried to boot back up code 15 over and over few more boots and it booted fine i just unplugged my monitor from gpu and it was fine, im defo going back intel with my next rig considering i have a budget of 10k for my next rig im just going all out and getting whatever i want
what is your motherboard? give INFORMATION
Yeah, my i9 14900k is running 7000 M/T DDR5 64 GB rock solid sturdy and stable.
I just built a 14900k z790 setup last night and went with 32gb ddr5 (so I can OC to 8000M/T). Debating switching to 64gb @ 7000M/T. Took 3 days to do the custom loop. Epic insane system!
@@halflife82 ive heard that the 14900k draws a lot of power and can get hot has this happen to yours?
@@halflife82 Custom cooling? Sounds like you have a kickass PC there. I got my RAM up to 7200 now, but I bought this Corsair Dominator Titanium. This RAM was not cheap at all. As a matter of fact, I'm sure I over spent. 2 32GB sticks of this Dominator Titanium was $400, but it has no ceiling. I have been able to overclock it at will. It is great RAM.
@@jameysummers1577 does your games crash with that high memory speed? Also thinking of upgrading to 7200 mhz
@@chrisnieto3620 so, I don’t know. I was worried about crashing so I dropped it back down to 7000. So I haven’t found that out at 7200. it is stable at 7000 and I’m happy with that. I figured the extra 200 wouldn’t make much of a difference so I dropped it back to 7000.
7950x3D has worked flawless for me. Paired with process lasso and I have completely no complaints. Sad how CPU purchases are based on the silicone lottery.
I highly suspect his ASUS motherboard was more to blame tbh.
I've been on AM5 - 7950x since December 2022. It's been going relatively well. I have great stability running tuned 2x32GB 6200mhz ram (hynix M die). The memory training is definitely longer. I've also had two boards die (Asus chipset died 8 months in or so and the Gigabyte board DOA).
Outside of the memory training I'm quite happy with the performance.
Depending on your timings. Thats really slow memory, wouldnt be surprised if it caused bottlenecks in some games
@@mamamia5668 fortunately the timings are pretty tight. Started with buildzoid am5 standard timings, upped the speed and then worked on the sub timings slightly.
no really, 6000 is AMD prefered overclocked memory, AMD is said so theirself, you can go over 6000, but thats not 1 to 1 anymore for the ram@@mamamia5668
@@mamamia5668 lol no it's not, unless the CL is like 40+
@@joshholmes1372 6200mhz is zzz build man. We need that 7000+ cl 35 and under :)
I put together a 7900x3d Linux Mint system last month. It has been rock solid with no issues at all after I updated to the latest 6.5 kernel. I bought 5200 memory because that is what AMD's site said was compatable. I thought that I missed the boat as many people were recommending 6000 memory. I am glad that I stuck with the 5200 memory seeing so many people complain about stability and constant memory reconfiguring.
What kind of board did you get? Gigabyte typically is more flaky with memory
@@timothygibney159 MSI X670E Tomahawk
5200MHz is the native max the chip supports, but all RAM is run overclocked. You’re missing out on about 10% performance with 5200 as Ryzen is heavily speed dependent
nah really most application will barely noticeable difference@@SpyderTracks
@@SpyderTracks GPU is usually the limiting factor and not RAM. If RAM is your limiting factor, you got a fkn problem. Losing 10% ram speed with DDR5 will never be felt unless you are building for blender or something like that. Or trying to run starfield. But why would you play that game is beyond me.
I'm about 2-3 weeks into my first AM5 build. A 7950x w/ 64Gb of Dominator Platinum and a 7900 XTX GPU. Considered for a bit to grab the 7950x3D and i'm kinda glad I didn't after watching this video. That said i'm super curious to see how the next weeks and months come as I ramp up my use on this new build (still use the old system some). So far everything is stable, no crashes or blue screens. Literally just installed and started going so everything is just set to the out-of-the-box settings at the moment. So far i'm pleased and really enjoy it all; definitely a good experience as i've typically been an Intel guy.
Thanks for the video Jay (and team). I hope you are doing well. :)
any update or changes on the new AMD build? I've read comments on stability issues or microstuttering problems with the 7800x3d.
I just went for the 7800x 3d because i didn't rely on Windows or AMD to be able to choose which core to put their processes on. I have a single ccd, everything will run through it. No issues with the 5800x3d as far as i know, so they couldn't blow it with the 7800x3d. Coming from an i7 6700k i noticed the upgrade. Specially after adding an RX7900xtx to it. Can't be happier so far! Sorry you had those issues Jay, thanks for your content!
Shoot i'm coming from an i7 6700 to the 7800 x3d, and got a 3070ti for a deal. I'm just waiting on my cooler and memory to come in, super stoked!
tbh for me it feels like windows scheduler for intel P and E-cores is a problem for 79*0x3d, since P-cores clock higher, they are chosen for intensive tasks, so that way non x3d, which clock higher, gets intensive load, and now we get game bar to prevent that and force it back on x3d chip
it really seems like that's a problem since only newest intel had different cores, so east way out for windows would be going by clock speed not by if is intel and is xth gen do that, which if my theory is right, ryzen 8000 with zen c cores will use that to it's advantage and game bar won't be needed, since c cores clock slightly lower and take half space, so e-cores with hyperthreading
@@1Grainer1 this isnt legible!
@@wavsiriusyea it is. u just have to know more about cpus than "this one is blue and this one is red" to understand what he was talking about
@@Crunkmaster r/whoosh
I built my AM3+ FX-8350 system with help from your guide when your tutorial video came out initially, its has been great watching you all this time Jay! Your comments and experience with AM5/3D V-cache supports the suspicions I had. Im on AM4 with a Ryzen 5 3600 right now, I think i'll be quite satisfied upgrading to a 5950x with my current needs. I don't really see the point upgrading to AM5 yet. I wish you the best of health!
If you play mainly games the 5800x3d is a very solid chip that shares none of the stability issues he talks about here and is fairly competitive even against the newer chips.
Highly recommend it, myself and 4 of my buddies use it.
I still running the AMD 8350FX on a ROG Crossair V formula Thunderbolt....still run.s awesome for my need's .If it ain't broke don't fix it.
You probably shouldn't pick the 5950x because is is expensive, has thermo throttling issues and is overkill for most use cases. For gaming, depending on system load, it can actually run slower than a 12 or 8 core version. My recommendation would be the R7 5800X3D ( +25 -> 50% gaming ) if gaming is what you want, the R9 5900X ( +120% computation ) if computation performance is your focus, or a R7 5700 ( +25% gaming and +36% computation ) if you just want to solid PC upgrade.
I am rocking a R9 5900X setup for 65W ECO mode, which means a little less power under heavy multicore loads but also less thermo throttling.
Good old FX-8350 myself. Served me well up until about 2020.
Built a new system with a 5800x zero problems with that ran very cool no stability issues at all.
“Upgraded” to the 5800x3d and to be honest not that impressed with it. Only way to make it hit the advertised boost is to play around with PBO/-30 offset which to me shouldn’t be mandatory on a factory tune.
Also the clock speed hit is considerable so unless you’re playing the specific games that benefit from a X3D I would just recommend a 5800x. Price is right and it does what it’s advertised to out of the box unlike the X3D variant.
@@South_0f_Heaven_ Switching from a 5800x, or even a 5700x, to a 5800X3D is a downgrade for most things aside from gaming. You also need very good (water) cooling, RAM running at DDR4-3600 XMP and a PCIe 4 capable motherboard ( 500 series chipset ) to really profit from it. With those your gaming performance gets near AM5 levels, and general computation power should also be okay.
I have a 7950x3D with 64GB 6000Mhz CL30. I have no instabilities, but the boot times, even with just the two sticks I have, are horrible without enabling some certain memory training exceptions in BIOS.
I also noticed it being slightly slower than my prior 12700k when loading my Lightroom library, but it's more of a short latency thing than not loading or working. But it could also be just a subjective experience.
At the end of the day, I'm glad I switched over when my Intel MB died. The lower power consumption did wonders for overall power usage and the better efficiency also lowered my temps by 10° across the board in the whole system. Other tasks also run much smoother, the MB IO at the same price is way better in my case and the way AMD Adrenaline looks and handles is much superior to Intels weird browser solution. That said, while I have no significant drawbacks or issues as of now, the boot times persist and are majorly annoying should I want to do a quick restart or quickly boot up from cold when I make a pitstop at home between two appointments.
The latest AGESA fixed my slow boots, but I am impressed that you got 64GB working at 6000MHz. That's not supposed to be stable for anyone. Does it pass a memory test?
@@jondonnelly3 I have stable 64GB (2x32GB) at 6000MHz CL30 with 7800X3D, slow boots fixed with setting called "Memory Context Restore" on Asus boards set from auto to enabled.
@@jurajbalazi8581same for me.
I got an Asus board as well and that's the setting I was talking about prior. It speeds up my post and boot time to about 15-20s with the expo running stable and all. Without it it's more like 60-80s, sometimes even longer. With my Intel before it was 3-4s post and boot max at times.
I have no instabilities otherwise. MemTest86 returns no errors, prime95 can run full boar and my usual stuff of video renders, Animation and 3D modeling as well as the big panorama stitching I do all Mac out the 64GB of RAM and without any crashes.
It's just the post and boot times that have become majorly annoying and no new Bios version has fixed that so far.
I've been using a 7900X non 3D without any issues for a while now. EXPO with 6000MHz in the BIOS is working fine. I have managed to get an offfset on curve optimizer that is rock solid and gives me pretty insane scores on 10 minute Cinebench R23 runs. I have memtested the rig also and it really has been flawess. No BSOD no nothing. My rig works rock solid, so I am happy with it. Oh and the CPU cooler is an AIO 360. So this is my experience with a non 3D AMD chip.
What mobo and ram are you running in this rig?!
@@jarls5890 MSI MAG B650 Carbon WiFi and Kingston Fury Beast KF560C36BBEAK2-32
32GB (16GB 2G x 64-Bit x 2 pcs.)
DDR5-6000 CL36 288-Pin DIMM Kit
That is so funny, because I am having those exact issues with my 11900k and memory not being stable. Just waiting for 15th gen to make a switch.
Update your bios.
@@lillen141 I did, it's up to date.
Anyone ignorant with an AMD component in their system will think the AMD component is at fault when stuff goes wrong. Their bad reputation is extremely undeserved.
Idk what GPU you have but if it's AMD and you posted this on Reddit people would somehow blame the AMD GPU for it I swear.
@@Altrop AMD 100% deserve their reputation.
Jay you did hit it right on the nose at the end, that the dual ccd 7900X3D and 7950X3D are 1st gen designs even if the X3D is 2nd gen design. For me, I went with the Asus Crosshair X670E Hero and 7950X3D paired with 64GB G.Skill DDR5-6000 EXPO memory. I had early teething issues, but since have been running rock solid. I have the 7950X3D on a liquid cooled loop with my Red Devil Radeon RX 7900 XTX using a Alphacool block. Temps get no higher than between 76-79 degrees during summer with ambient temps. Bios is ver. 1709
Thanks for giving AMD a college try Jay. Damn that build give mee goosebumps every time I look at it, it's just so good! May your frames be high, your latency low, and your bugs be gone!
For a few months now, I’ve had a 7950X3D, 64gb DDR5-5600, MSI Pro 670-P Motherboard, 2x 2TB NVMe, Gigabyte RTX4090 running Windows 11 Pro.
After hearing all of the memory problems Jay jad, I’m hallucinating to say so far my system has been flawless. When gaming CPU & GPU temps at 65c.
I also got the 7950X3D in my system and being glad that it is running good so far. No memory issues, no crazy "new CPU random shitti errors" or such. Also running G.skill Trident 6000Mhz without any problems.. Its so annoying that somehow systems are working totally fine and others got strange errors, random bluescreens and stuff. For sure, all is manufactured and there always can be production errors in some CPUs or Mainboards etc.. So I am glad that i went the way for the AMD cpu (came from Devils Canyons Intel) and I dont regret it so far.
The only thing I regret is that I go with a 3080ti isntead of an 4090.. My ASUS TUF 3080ti has coil whining straight out of hell.. holy fuck never heard such a bad whining.. So I am doing an similar decission that i will switch my 3080ti TUF with an other 4090 card (lookin right now for the right one and hoping that the black deals will offer me any good prices :D )
So like you, do what you want with your system, all is totally fine. I mean YOU are the one who is sitting at it so do what you want
Do you use any unfervolting value? (curve optimizer) oe
or just out of the box?
Thank you!
A very large part of me thinks some of these are Windows issues. It's happened before. AMD or Intel release something and we get all sorts of weird errors, even some BIOS errors after MS convinced the freaking world they needed extended BIOS access for "security". Two years later MS finally releases a patch and things start working. :(
cap fps or uv a little to lower voltages, coilwhine is gone.
i think its mostly ram, its the most sensitive part of am5 anything past 5200 isnt even officially supported@@halycon404
I also switched from i7-4790K to AM5 this year :)
I bought an 7800X3D+X670E on launch day. I went for Corsair Dominator 5200 (relatively slow speed, 2 sticks) and I haven't experienced any issues whatsoever so far. It has been a great experience. I have been very careful to always go for the latest BIOS, especially with that voltage debacle.
I came from an 3950X X570 and that one was unfortunately a terrible experience until the BIOS was patched up. I couldn't use USB properly for several months. After the BIOS patching, that system has been running rock solid.
I feel Jay wanted an excuse to go back to Intel no matter what.
@@KingcoleIIV he didn't even try RMA an obvious IMC degradation fault lol. really not very experienced with PCs.
the 2 different CCDs is a weird idea, I'd just go with either 7800X3D or 7950X on AM5 depending on what you mostly do.
from ZEN is whole desing of ccd bad idea to future, - becouse on math projects on boinc is KING intel with monolitics cache witch is best for mathematic, calculations, like PRIME or more dificult,, i will buy intel after my 2990WX amd,,,
@@asean5459 Intel will be switching from monolithic designs soon as well. The CPUs are just too darn big.
If you're doing mostly gaming, go with the 7800X3D. Works great right out of the box
I've been going back and forth between games and music production on 7950x w g.skil 6000mhz ram cl30.... it hasn't missed a beat yet! Very impressed but get good cooling... it's hot 🔥 🥵
@@ReverusN What's your gpu?
Jay, can you do an update video to this? Where are you at now in opinion to the two platforms? Whats coming out next and any idea what your next build will have?
He always seems to just go Intel, even with the stuff coming out about their silicon degradation because all Intel can do on their crappy chips is to hotrod the power limits to try to eke out the performance crown for that particular generation at the cost of having ridiculous 300-350W TDPs on their processors.
Well, I haven't turned off my 8350 for about 15 years... sure the occasional power outage ( or hurricane) but essentially, it's been running all day every day. So I would have to say my experience has been a good one if not a dated one... I've always been a fan of AMD and am interested in building a new system so I'm taking this information to heart... Thanks J...
@@1newme425 His electricity bill his money his choice.
Sad to hear you had so much issues with the new AMD platform.
Personally I have the 7950x and 64gb 6000mhz ram, and I have not had one single issue related to that. I have made sure to keep my bios and drivers up to date.
Mostly an 7950x3D Issue. Hes not alone and its a TON of people that have the issue. 7800x3D doesnt have the issue either for the most part afaik.
@@ShimejiiGaming Yeah, 7950x3d is a chip that wants to do it all and doesn't really succed anywhere, unless you're willing to disable the non-3d chiplet in the bios everytime you want to game.
@@ShimejiiGaming I am running the 7800x3d with 96Gb 6400Mhz memory and have zero issues. Heat or otherwise... but then again my primary goal was game performance not multitasking. So far I have not had a single crash which is awesome. My previous system was a pre-built system and I was not happy with almost from the get go. The current system is built by me and I have loved it
Same CPU here, 7950x with 64GB of EXPO 6000 RAM from Gskill.
Latest firmware with the ASUS motherboard and seems to be very stable.
It does seem to be the 7950x3D CPU that is having some weirdness issues like this :(
@ShimejiiGaming Knock on wood.... but I'm running 7950x3D and 64gb of 6000mhz ram for the last six month and haven't had any issues.
Once I got everything up and running and installed the proper drivers, I haven't had any issues. I am running 2 sticks of 32GB at 6000 mhz without problems, and really have only played AAA titles, so I can't say how well the core parking works in other cases. It does run a bit hotter than I am used to at idle because of the thick IHS but otherwise I've been pretty happy.
I don't have any issues, but I have the 7800X3D, so it doesn't need to park cores or make use of Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications. The chiplet with the extra cache is always running.
Had the 7950X3D for like a year now and i love it no blue screens or crashes it works great, also i run 6000mhz DIMMs
Just like Tavarish’s P1 Evo build, it’s your PC, put whatever parts you want. I do enjoy the breakdown of the different CPUs and the quirks of the 7950X3D, a lot of people might not know that
The memory issues could just be the board or a bad bin too, like Linus’s review sample of the 7950X3D, but that’s not something as a normal user you should have to constantly deal with
Personally on a 7800X3D, also have another Pc with a 7800X3D on my friend’s PC I built and works great. In fact haven’t had an issue with CPUs between trying out a 12600k and upgrading from AM4 to AM5
At least Jay has the computer built and fully working. Tavarish rushed the crap out of a very special car and half-assed it as always.
The P1 is essentially now an upbadged 675LT without the hybrid system.
Don't compare Jay to Tavarish. Just don't.
It's not a P1, please stop calling it that. lol
@@TheMC1X and you forgot the purpose of tavarish's P1 right? it is to attempt to break a world record for fastest McLaren not to satisfy idiot fanboys
ill also remind you that P1 basically a 720s and tavarish's P1 is flood damaged where electronics are next to impossible to restore
hybrid system weighs 400lbs including battery and it is a 176hp motor with technology from 10 years ago which is already ancient by today's standards
new battery costs $160k regardless it being made with cells from a123systems or from panasonic and you can't take tesla cells because compartment was built in mind of a original battery and those batteries fail
him taking out that entire assembly,shoving in long block 720s engine and tuning it for 1300hp is significantly better than trying to make that system both work and make it more powerful
and heritage P1 has is basically F1 which did not have hybrid system so if anything it is actually more original than rest of P1's
I was not expecting to see a " crossing the streams" between Jay and Freddy...
@@xthelord1668 But why throw away $600k on a wrecked P1?!?! Could have spent much less and gotten any other wrecked McLaren and made that the "fastest" McLaren.
I’m using 7800x3d, I had severe memory timing issues with CL39 DDR5 ram and then swapped to CL32 DRR5 RAM and I still get occasional crashes but not nearly as often. I want to review your previous videos to see how you dealt with it. Eventually I’ll get CL30 RAM that’s on my motherboard manufactures list.
I totally emphasise with your decision to go back to Intel for the stability because RAM and CPU should be plug and play and be stable when using over clocking profiles. I just play games that are very CPU heavy.
its ytour board not the ram , i had same issue with gigabyte b650 and i decided im done with gigabyte and bought the msi tomakawk b650 and literally not a single crash since i switched 9 months ago
the gig board is absolute dogshit and caused all my memory timing issues to the point i would crash on every single restart. literally every single problem gone by switchng my motherboard to msi
bottom line buy a quality MB DO NOT BUY GIGABYTE !!! LITERALLY THE WORST COMPANY IN THE GAMING SPACE
@@fullsend_ny7948 Haha well said mate. I've long been done working with GigaShyte products. Some people still sing their praises.....
7800x3d has only one ccd, you shouldn't get those memory issues. have you tried other bios/mobo combos?
@@fullsend_ny7948 i think you may be right. 7800x3d shouldn't have issues like larger, two ccd, cpus.
@@sakatababa Well the AMD platform in general has its own set of issues with memory.
I’ve been using my 7800X3D since August and aside from similar hung RAM issues at 6000Mhz, my experience has been great! It is amazing for a lot of the newer intensive games that I play and I hardly ever notice any issues with the exception of the first two minutes of gameplay every other time I start up Resident Evil 4
Strange that this is comes down to the mainboard. I have a 7800x3d CPU as well and a mainboard from Gigabyte (Aorus Master) and run it perfectly on 6000 Mhz. Also some mainboard seem to have loading times up to 30 second to windows. So the memory training take a lot of time. (this also based on mainboard) I dont have that either (10 second max). So when somebody go for amd make sure you pick the right mainboard. And dont pay 1.000 dollar for them... it is just silly.
@@mcrib2499 I think you may be right, and it could also be a batch based issue because I have seen people with my same motherboard achieve a consistent 6000Mhz without any issues
@@mcrib2499 Aorus Master B650E or X670E? 10 seconds is with MCR (Memory Context Restore) enabled or disabled?
@@playfriik I have the B650e
It is interesting to hear all of this. I've followed a bit of Jayz 7950x3d saga because I went all in on my CPU and got myself a 7950x3d. I was able to run PBO with 4 Dimms at 6400 MHz EXPO. I really wonder if it was a motherboard problem or bad silicon lottery. Sucks to have so many problems. As a newbie to building my own PC I feel a bit like I experienced some dumb luck. Even so, I'll take it lol. I know anyone can say I never had that problem, or I've had that same problem and it doesn't mean much. It's very interesting to say the least.
Small sample size problems, like a sample size of 1.
It's definitely an ASUS problem. Their forums and subreddit have new threads related to this junk every day. It's a shame J2c is so far out of the loop. I mean.. a quick email to Steve would have revealed it.
Same here. MSI ACE, dropped in 6400MHz Kingston 48GBx2 CL32 with 7950X3D, ticked expo/auto and the way it went. Used same ram and cpu for out other system except board was Asrock X670EPG Lightning, it too saw ram 6400MHz and have had zero issues.
@@n3o717 I'm running the MSI x670e Ace as well. Gskill ram with the same timings. 64 gb 6400 mhz, CL32. The thing is I've heard folks say motherboard doesn't matter anymore since the controller is on the CPU. I can't say I know, but I can say that anecdotally I've seen many of these folks rocking Asus boards. *shrug*
@@VndNvwYvvSvv Really need to look at more like at 10 -100 to get any real opinion.
This was me with a 5950X. That processor got a little wonky when utilizing large I/O transfers. It also didn't like our plugins. No issues with Intel and it's great at productivity and gaming.
That doesn't happen for a friend that has a Ryzen 9 5900X, his system more stable than mine with the Alder Lake i7-12700K (best i7 in a decade IMO).
I also switched from Ryzen to Intel recently, when 12th gen came out. Biggest driver for me was I/O; the Intel platform had more bandwidth to the PCH (so, less contention) and more lanes available on the PCH and this fit my needs more than what AMD was doing at the time.
AM5 will have more support than intels mobos
GIve me a real scenario where you had gains from that setup. One. I dare you. I double dare you mofo.
@@slickysan Right? And it has 20+ upvotes?! LOL. What on earth is this guy doing that he feels he's anywhere near saturating it? Seriously, what workload on what hardware that's even close to half of it? Sounds like another case of "I want more because someone told me theoretically there's more headroom on PCIE 5, despite even the newest hardware being unable of saturating the *previous* gen". ;)
@@VndNvwYvvSvv Indeed lmao. I'm still waiting for that scenario, but the guy bailed. He specifically mentioned "his needs" :)))))
@@slickysanBailed? He probably has not even read your commentS
Mirroring the other suggestions, I'd also be interested in doing some troubleshooting with the old set up to see if the issues were caused by the 7950X3D, the ram, the motherboard, or some weird combination of the 3. As mentioned Asus has had issues with memory on their motherboards, but that seems less likely to address the software optimization of the CCD selection dependent on workloads.
This reminds me of when i had issues with my 10980xe pc at home i have 4x32gb sticks of 3600MTs ram which is overclocked to 3800MTs and was running perfectly for a few weeks.
Then i started getting random blue screen and initially thought my cpu oc was unstable but that didn't fix it and lowering the memory speed to 3733MTs seemed to fix it then the blue screen started again so i lowered it further and it seemed to help and i ended up loeering my ram speed all the way to 3400MTs and then i finally figured out it was actually corsair icue crashing my pc all along as I'd somply selected the software and hit to delete and i assumed it was deleted but all of the driver Dll files remained without the othrr necessary files causing my pc to randomly crash but it it didn't mention icue or anything in the windows error log and the error code it gave was most commonly because of an unstable overclock anyways once i figured that out and disabled icue in services.msn and deleted the remaining files my pc stopped blue screening and i was able to put my memory speed back to 3800MTs without issue.
I knoe you probably don't care about my little story it just shows that sometimes issues cam be what you least expect like in jays case it probably is memory but there's a good chance that it is something else entirely if dropping memory speed doesn't seem to really help.
How did you figure that it was iCue? Did you see it running on task manager or something? @oliverboi
@joebourgoin6554 i noticed that the same DLL was running right before it crashed by looking at the windows logs shortly before the fatal crash errors
Did you read the crash dump file to see what could be happening?
They don't do anything rigorous like that on this channel. He just says words.
The problem is most people who have stability issues are trying to run RAM at their advertised timings and speed. The highest official ram speed supported by Zen4 is 5200. Anything higher will be up to silicon lottery and soc voltage settings. I have been very stable running 6200 30-35-35 timings with my 7950x on MSI ACE x670e. My ram is rated at 6400 32-39-39 but I have never gotten that stable at soc voltage 1.25V (don't want to go any higher). If I don't keep the uclk = mclk, I could be stable but I lose performance at that point.
I think you’re right on with the single CCD being the way to go with x3D chips. I’m currently running a 7800x3D - it’s rock solid and I’ve had no trouble with ram at 6000. In fact, this is probably the most stable PC I’ve ever had (Asus ProArt x670E for mobo and a 7900xtx for gpu.)
I am curious though: Did you ever try swapping the cpu or motherboard? I do wonder if something in your setup was defective. I’m sure you’ve gone over this in a video at some point, but I don’t remember
$10 says it's a motherboard issue.
@@Gamesemag Are you okay? Do you need someone to talk to? Is everything okay lil buddy?
he forgot his meds.@@nickwort123
@@AndyViant It's a CPU issue. I had the same, swapped CPU after months of testing and tweaking, and everything just works now.
@@Gamesemag funny. but I've had AMD's on and off from the K6, through the Athlon and Thunderbird, Second Gen Ryzen to current Zen 4.
They've all been stable. They all did their job just fine.
If you've had stability issues, it's probably because of the motherboard brand you used, or you thought that because they were unlocked for overclocking you could just wind them up 50% like the good old days of a Celeron 300.
The reason why Intel started locking down their gear was the amount of complaints from customers who destroyed their gear by overclocking the hell out of it.
My 7950x (non-3D) was completely stable until the whole 1.3 V SOC thing. It then took MANY bios revisions for it to become stable again. As you say, a lot of random blue screens, errors etc that were not easy to place blame on. Thankfully (after about 4 months of bios updates) the system is now stable again.
I also think he had some IOD degradation here.. Its the MB's fault for sure.
I have switched back to Intel since going through all generations of Zen, had issues, mostly memory related, on all of my Zen builds whilst always using the best quality parts. Now I am back on Intel for about 8 months and it has been a blessing, I almost forgot how it was to be on a truly stable platform.
Passt, silent...
can you tell me what problems. I always suspected something just be off with ryzen but people in reddit highly praised it. They also praised amd graphics card but it turned out it has lots of issues with indie games
@@AK-tf3fc bro, I have amd and everything is fine... Why chicken have to be scared so quick...
@@BornInArona because i am spending my 1 year salary on it. We have only 2000 usd gdp per capita but have to pay twice what americans pay.
@@AK-tf3fc where are you from?
That has been always an issue with the Ryzens. I had a 2700X on a MSI X470 Board back then and I never could get the rated 3200 MHz of my RAM. I was stuck at 3000 MHz.
And now I have a 7950X3D on an Asus Strix X670E and had initially the same problem: RAM rated for AMD at 6000 MHz, stable only up to 5200 MHz.
But obviously I´ve been more lucky than you, because a BIOS Update 1 month later gave me the stability at 6000 MHz and now I´m completely fine.
And now I´m very glad, not having an overheating 14900K with double the power consumption and stability issues.
As a 7950X owner, the problems are different but still present. I had a horrendous time for over a year getting this thing to run with EXPO on with some DDR Trident Z Neo EXPO 6000mhz RAM. It's only in the last few weeks it's actually been usable. They released a BIOS recently that fixed a few issues, and then within the BIOS I had to disable AMD Memory Context Restore in TWO different places in the BIOS. After doing that I've finally got no problems booting quickly, not crashing when waking from sleep and generally everything seems fine. It did require a full format and reinstall of Windows 11 too though, because it seems like all the crashes had corrupted some OS files somewhere. Definitely considering going back to Intel on my next build though, I can't remember ever having this level of issues with the blue brand...
No only what you said, but a lot of people don't realize he is talking about the X3D chips, not the normal X chips.
RAM instability was what put me off AMD back when they launched the 5000 series. Bought a 5800X and a X570 Gigabyte motherboard. The 3800MHz CL18 RAM I bought from G.skill would NOT run at the advertised speed at all. Returned the RAM and got 3600MHz CL16 RAM and the same problem existed... Returned that for 4000MHz CL18 RAM and still the same fucking problem. Returned the 5800X and the X570 board for an Intel 10700K and a Z490 motherboard and popped the 4000MHz CL18 memory in *that* *was* *specifically* *"optimized"* for AMD. The system did a boot loop once, and started right up at the proper XMP settings of 4000MHz CL18 and hasn't had any issues since.
Intel gets a bad rep. But nothing beats just plain old stability, which Intel will always have the advantage of.
There are issues with sleep forcing and then getting stuck on bad memory timings on a lot of different systems but the AM5 stuff really highlights the issue, to the point where some motherboard manufacturers are completely disabling the ability to put the computer to sleep from the bios. You'll likely fix all of your issues completely if you clear CMOS and then either leave the computer running or shut it down rather than sleeping/hibernating it.
I have always said that. Sleep always causes issue no matter the brand of parts inside the case. It has been that way since windows 7.
It's always been buggy as hell on desktops. Works fine on laptops
first time ever in 25 years I made the switch to AMD and it's been all good on my 7800X3D and MSI 650 mobo since black friday. gonna buy AMD now for my 9 year old this coming black friday
It’s a bummer to hear about the instability and it makes total sense why you’re doing the Skunkworks adventure the way you are, which is looking amazing. Thanks for the great talking head piece.
I've had a 7950x non 3D since launch and have also had tons of memory stability issues, my 64gb 6000mhz Hyper X Beast just won't POST at the full EXPO speed.
I've tried multiple BIOS updates etc, no luck. Only way to keep the system stable is keep the RAM at 5200mhz, any higher and eventually it either BSOD's or randomly won't POST over time.
Super annoying and I'm probably gonna go back to Intel myself for my next system upgrade, more people need to here about these issues so hopefully AMD can address this down the line. Keep up the great work Jay 👍
Overall, I've had a great time with my 7950X3D, it's in a rig with a 7900 XTX, 64GB CL30 6000mhz gskillz RAM on a ROG Strix B650E-I. Haven't had any of the issues mentioned here, but I also understand that it's a case by case basis. It worked out well for me.
same :) ,y experience has been blissful tbh
No issues here. 7700x 6750. No crashes and overlooked as much as I could. Had many intels since upgrading from a 4200 FX all those years ago. Currently really happy with the set up 👌
I have always had both brands in my house since Phenom 2. Both brands are great and now with Ryzen AMD is competitive again. I'll still always use both. They are both great. I haven't used X3D though. I'll probably wait until the issues get sorted out.
Loved Phenom II! I still own Phenom II X6 1055T, and it has been the longest lasting CPU ever.
@@georgefoley9793 same cpu running 24/7 since 2011 it even mined Bitcoin back on the days on it, the last 1-2 years it started bit to slow with updated on o/s etc if you push it but for normal general non game usage or editing its fine but one of most success cpus after amd Athlon x2 - socket 939, after the release of Phenom 2 the failures came before the first Ryzen got released .and after ryzen came intel got stuck after the 6800k series until lately with over pumping same architecture and stupid +++ to catch up cause they need to change new fabs they might be ready around 2026
His issues are specific to the 7950X3D, not 3D in general. I don't understand why every commenter seems to have not actually watched the video. The 7800X3D has only one chiplet, so it doesn't need to park cores nor rely on Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications.
I'm perfectly happy with my 5800x3d for now. Stable, not worrying about temps cause they are completly under control. My main reason to stay away from intel is...well I got tired of intel. I had intel based systems up until 2020 when I went to the AM4 3700x. Upgraded to the 5800x3d last year and been happy with that since. Didn't make the leap to AM5 because the temps and figured I'd let AMD stew until next generation to see if they could get that kind of performance while lowering temps the next go around. I still plan to stay away from intel though simply because...I got tired of intel after so many years -.-
They would never lower the temps. Since they can guarantee that the silicone would withstand 95°C for its design lifetime, all CPUs will be pushed so that they are primarily temperature limited. Honestly, 95°C is much more easy to get used to compared to 300W+ for a desktop CPU (Intel right now).
@@jassenjj Can just enable ECO Mode or ideally put a power limit on the CPU. Lose some multicore perf but in games its practically non-existent. I think Optimum did a video on those settings called "Fixing Ryzen 7000 - PBO2 Tune (insanity)"
7800x3d user here. I use Gskill 6000cl30 (Trident Z Neo) kit and it works flawlessly. New BIOS also added support for higher speeds, one of my friends is running a 6600 kit on a Aorus board and it's running fine too. Maybe the IMC on chip isn't good on Jay's.
Which kit specifically do you have? Is it the 2x16 or the 2x32? CL30 or CL32? I've got the same memory on my list of parts to buy, thinking I might bump up to 2x32gb, but the only one officially listed as supported by my motherboard choice (asus rog strix B650E-F) is the 2x16gb CL30 version..while it lists the 2x32gb cl32 being supported. Both 6000mhz. Odd that just changing from 32 to 64gb the board says it goes from cl30 support to cl32 support. Although the g.skill website says that 2x32gb (cl30) works fine with the B650 boards.
@@slandshark I'm using 2x16 kit. It is odd that the motherboard QVL doesn't include 2x32 kit for your motherboard at cl30 but it'll most probably work.
I feel kinda blessed, 7950x3d Gigabyte X670 board, T-Force 6000mhz ram xmp RX7800XTX and I've not had issues with stability. I don't think i'm getting 100% performance but I went all team red.
I have had very similar issues (memory training loops, not hitting expected MHz, long or failed boots after having the system off for hours) with 7950X (non-3D), Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero, and 2x32GB Vengeance sticks that are supposed to run 5600 with EXPO, the system is only stable at
i did too, it seems to have sorted itself over time...
Some thoughts over my experience in these recent years. I ditched Asus mb for gigabyte as they seem more stable. I have read a lot about problems with expo ram kits. My preference is gskill xmp ram kits. I have worked with them in my last two builds (5800x, 7950x) and they're running rock solid. My job involves a lot of 3d rendering so everyday is like a stress test 😂.
Would never touch Asus, Asrock, nasty boards. I have had trouble with intel n AMD,.
ASUS has become increasingly unreliable over the years and even more appalling is the fact that their support has completely gone down the tubes. ASUS isn't nearly the company they were 5 years ago. ASUS likely still makes some good system boards but I wouldn't chance buying one because ASUS support is vast becoming an oxymoron. GIGABYTE, on the other hand, has really stepped up to the plate over the years. It's almost as though they found ASUS old client policy list, hired the best hardware developers they could get, and followed ASUS old model. If they stick to what they are doing they're going to pass ASUS both in quality components and customer satisfaction.
Several years ago i switched to AM4 with a X570 Tomahawk and a R7 3700X and i choose an expensive G.Skill XMP 3600 CL15 Kit (aim was to tune the memory to its limits) and oh my i never got the system stable at XMP speeds for about 1,5years. Then i switched to an R9 5900X, changed to an PCIe 4 m.2 and to a RX 6800XT and suddenly the RAM and the system worked as if nothing had happened before. My BIOS was always up to date. But since then it worked like a charme. I am satisfied at last since i value efficiency over raw power.
Anyways saw both sides in one system and yeah it can be really annoying.
@@scannerman777 That's interesting. I used to always go with gigabyte because they were solid for me, but for my 7950x3d build I went with a gigabyte aero g board and it was nothing but problems for months- constant blue screens and crashing. I swapped to an asus strix x670e-a board and it has not crashed once. After I was satisfied and increases the speeds of my ram, it did start taking longer to boot but no crashing or blue screens at all.
Which gigabyte mb did you use for your 7950x build?
When I built my system late last year, I was on a 7th gen i7 and decided to give AMD a try, as I had some good experiences with some of their older CPU's back in the mid 2000s. I ended up with a 7700x, and was a bit salty when the X3D CPU's came out a couple of months later. But after hearing your story, I'm glad I ended up with the standard chip. My system has been completely rock solid with 32gigs (2 16gb sticks) of Teamgroup 5200mhz DDR5. At my age, I'm happy to do less tweaking, and just have a good stable mid-range setup that I can step up in a couple of years as I need.
The 7700 is the sweet spot in terms of value, performance and power efficiency. Doesn't require an expensive VRM solution and a hefty cooler like the 13600K does.
"But after hearing your story, I'm glad I ended up with the standard chip."
His issue is specific to the 7950X3D, not the 7800X3D. The latter has one chiplet, so it doesn't need to park any cores nor rely on Xbox Game Bar to identify game applications. I've been using it for the last 3 months with zero issues - running 6000 *MT/s* CL30, also from Team Group. Only took me a few hours to build it, get the applicable chipset drivers, and start playing games. I take many of the "I have issues with X, Y, and Z" comments with a grain of salt. I've dealt with five 3D chips now, two of which were for my own system (5800 & 7800), and no hiccups.
I'm sitting on my 2011 Gateway with an i5-2300 quad core with 3 FF windows and 32 tabs open (including 3 youtube, a Kongregate game, Facebook, etc) along with Irfanview and a mouse clicker all running. 2.8 Ghz CPU is popping a touch over 3 Ghz but still only 28-30% utilization... though my 12 gb of DDR3 is sweating a bit. Without closing anything, I can pop open Toontown with no issues (I know it's not a "real" game... and don't make fun of me, it's FUN). I've tried killing this thing with Photoshop... it won't die (like my Buick)!
I agree about age and driving a Buick 😁, when I was building pcs, starting 20 years ago... it was fun and challenging (we couldn't use a mouse on our BIOS back then, kiddies). Now I just want it to work with minor tweaking... I didn't go AMD, but my CyberPower only ran me 850 with a 13400f, 1tb NVME gen4, 4060 card (beats my 7700 Ghost by a bit)... XMP was no big deal, BIOS flashed easy and can support 14th gen if I find one on the side of the road. My biggest issue so far is figuring out what the error codes on all these pulsing LED's fans mean!
My biggest concerns have been... well, getting OG MSPaint onto Win11 (I know it's not a big deal, but that's how easy this was)... oh and I can't stop the mouse from cycling LED colors.
Why am I not using my new PC? It's too clean , don't want to muck it up. Kidding, need to wipe this and hand it off to my mom, locating and moving 12 years worth of files. And FULLY set up the CyberPower with everything I'll use... Ninite got me halfway there.
I have a 7800x3d and it works pretty great, my ram is also 6000MHz specifically the Gskill Trident Z5 with a B650 AX motherboard. The only issue I'm having with it that I didn't have with my previous 3900x is that during shader comps the CPU temps go insane. Normally at 100% it hovers around 80c, but during shader comps I've had it reach as high to 88c. But other than that it has been surprisingly stable and performs extremely well, it almost doubled my fps in some games and almost completely eliminated stutters.
Also If you're not using the integrated GPU on the 7800x3d make sure to disable it in bios.
It has a integrated gpu huh?
Which cooler?
@@undiyos Currently using an NH-D15
@@SekiberiusWelkesh the temps seem a bit close to tjmax at load. Have you used curve optimizer? Mine runs at - 30 curve optimizer stable. Switched to 360mm aio and temps do not cross 80c on full load, that is with the newer bios. The older bios allowed me to drop till - 39 CO and temps did not budge past 72c.
@@undiyos I ended up turning maximum power to 99% and it pretty much never goes above 70c anymore, performance is about the same as well.
I discovered what was causing it, it was the V-Cache, which is apparently normal behavior.
Thanks for letting us know why you switched to Intel again, you really have good points why you did this.
Talking about your stability issues, i had the same kind of problems for the last 3/4 year since i build my personal AM5 system. Started with a 7700X and later moved on to a delidded 7950X after Der 8auer's waterblock for delidded CPUs came out.
Just managed about 3-4 weeks ago to get this system running with 6000 MHz on my G.Skill RAM after following the instructions of a video called "Easy memory timings for Hynix DDR5 with Ryzen 7000" from Actually Hardcore Overclocking.
Don't kno if your HyperX Kit uses a Hynix memory but if so you maybe want to try this by yourself. I never had an issue since i set the paramaters manually like described in this video.
Have a nice one, cheers.
The mistake I see Jay making is not properly stress test his RAM after changing RAM settings.
Running default RAM settings is not magically 100% stable on most systems, Jay not doing the things the right way is giving him the issues.
Having solid stable RAM on a Ryzen system is very important, on top of that he started to add curve optimizer settings on his CPU.
Many overclockers will shake their heads how he did things, this is very wrong way of doing overclock on Ryzen.
I would like to see what it takes to fix this issue. Does swapping the CPU for another 7800x3D or same motherboard resolve the problems? Would love this to be a video
swapping cpu dont solve sorry
I'm positive he troubleshot, he talked about a ton of steps. AMD cuts corners, plain and simple and doesnt have the R/D for good drivers.
He should've swapped to the 7950X (non-3D) for 16 cores (32 threads) of all high-performance goodness. That's what I use, with the same motherboard as Jay and everything runs perfect, EXPO memory speeds as well.
It's obviously an IMC degradation issue which if he was more experienced, he would have RMA'd it. 2012 isn't very long in Computer terms lol.
My AMD build was an absolute nightmare, it wouldn't stop restarting at random. It got to the point of doing it multiple times a day and no one could figure out why. So glad I swapped over to Intel and Nvidia because so far this system is working just fine
i had the same issue with one of my amd builds i ended up turning off C states in bios and restart issues went away
That actually sounds like a power supply or critical heat issue.
Did you even bother to actually troubleshoot it?
@@Altrop swapped all the parts, fresh install of everything, temps were well within normal, plus various other software fixes attempted
And this is why I avoid Amd like the plague.
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