Cooling CPUs will never be the same after using this!
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- Thermals paste is messy! But what happens when you dont use thermal paste at all??
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I think these are great for test benches because you can’t get a bad application. It’s more consistent test-to-test
Similar to that, I like using them when I'm testing a CPU or motherboard to sell. I'm only going to have it built up for maybe 30 minutes to an hour or two, so it seems a bit wasteful to use thermal paste. Plus, if I were to use paste, I'd have to properly clean it after the fact. So, it's just far easier to use a graphene sheet.
Or for someone who is super worried that they're not putting enough paste or they're putting too little past. For me, the price is too high for my use case.
@@shinaikoukayes and no. According to Roman, they’re single-use. It will compress under the cooler and stay that way. At least you’re gonna lose performance with each additional mount. That’s the difference to graphite pads. They’re reusable.
You can apply them bad in so many ways. 1. Touch them will destroy the anisotropic property of the sheet. 3. The more often you reuse them the more the thermal conductivity shrinks. Because every time you apply the sheet and compress it, it degrades.
@@andromydousThose are both the same thing 😅
The value for me is never changing/reappling paste. Especially for the family/friends builds.
😂
It not drying out is a plus too. Most of those builds won't be getting any maintenance over the years.
I have literally never had to change thermal paste even in 13 year old build. I don't know what kind of paste you use....Direct die applications should use a silver liquid that is fully conductive. (I know it's hard to apply, just learn :)
@@shanemitchell477thermal paste drying out is a known issue. Just because in your extremely limited experience it didn't happen (probably did and you just didn't notice)it doesn't mean it's not an issue.
@@shanemitchell477This man is still running a 1st Gen Intel CPU running on 32nm... RIP
As someone who works in graphene, its nice to see practical applications coming out!
Can you speak to the durability or lifespan of graphene sheets like this?
@@msn8ive graphene is strong in-plane, but any defects can vastly reduce that so durability is definitely an issue from tearing due to said defects. The lifespan is good as long as you are not moving it.
there are varying qualities, but generallt the thinner ones work better. they dont bend or twist well so its nice to get it close to the space available, and know how much of a gap is left between the cpu and the heatsink.
youd still need something to fill the gaps, its not soft, and doesnt fill those gaps... but you dont need so much... since its harder than the silver it should press through and still make contact.
i really wish i can get some legit graphene and try some stuff...
i usually leave the old stuff on there and burn it in... if it starts crumbling mix it into the new paste.
in theory you can do the same with the graphere as it falls apart... just you have to keep in mind its nanoparticles... if the pad ever breaks up on you. best vacume that thing out... pretty much the only downside is how fragile it is.
You must be a really small man or that must be A LOT of graphene for you to be able to work in it. Does it cool you off in the summer?
Coming out? These pads have been around for 6 years ^^
At least I have been using them for that amount of time.
The thermal grizzly ones have been around for at least 5 years now.
To be honest, as someone who often negelects changing their cpu paste, I might go with these in my next build since it's easier to change and less of a headache.
Nah. Endurance oriented pastes don't really need to be replaced for the life of a build, and they perform about the same at their worst (after aging) if not better than good carbon sheets.
Phase change polymer is an interesting option for something you want to just install for life in a laptop or GPU or some such like. Better performance than paste, close to liquid metal without the corrosion or the hazards or ageing.
How often does thermal paste dry out nowadays? I feel like that only happens with OEM paste and cheap pastes.
I haven't changed my paste like... ever. Unless there's some other maintenance going on with my loop that requires a reseat.
@@MomentoIraesame, I've never changed the paste unless I swapped coolers or processors.
@SianaGearz any products you know or would recommend for phase change polymers?
I really like how much attention to detail DerBauer has with their designs. These pads are honestly a huge deal for maintenance purposes. It's expensive but you're paying for the longevity and lack of maintenance. I picked up a few of these for my builds and I added them in my neighbour's kids' computers too so that they can be better maintained. I love these.
"These pads are honestly a huge deal for maintenance purposes: -- Agreed. I wish I knew about these sooner. Total game changer for me.
@@adamd1347 definitely worth it. I wonder what all these thermal paste companies are thinking right now knowing this has been out for a while XD
@@lurch789a big tube of paste is like $15
@@lurch789 Pointless comment as it has nothing to do with the lifespan of graphene - you obviously used all your training in materials science to espouse an opinion without justification for giving that opinion.
@@zorbakaput8537damn it’s just $15
Been using them on my 7950x and 7900 xtx. Solid performance and it's nice to not need to worry about things like pump-out on the GPU.
what is your GPU/hotspot delta on 7900xtx. Is it better or worse than before?
how is this compared to Honeywell PTM 7950?
Totally agree. If you have time to answer: What size are you using for the 7900 XTX? I’ve been trying to figure out which size to order for one of those.
@@arashikou6661just google the size of your GPUs die and get one big enough to cover it.
@@arashikou6661you need 25x25mm
Since I discovered these pads, I am only using it. It might not be the best for cooling, but it is so practical and clean. I don't have to worry if I used the thermal grease properly or clean it. Also the fact it does not degrade over time is a big +. I really love it.
@@user-mk4or5yu9r they explained in their comment
@@user-mk4or5yu9r because the convenience is worth the few degrees of temperature difference
@@user-mk4or5yu9rBecause it's enough cooling and it is practical. You don't need your CPU to be freezing cold.
@@user-mk4or5yu9rmy 13700kf been on fire anytime I put anything to it lol. If I stream and game it jumps to 90c
I've been using graphene pad for the past 5 years on 3 of my machines and they are solid performers and for someone like me who loves to upgrade its a huge time saver. And yes, I've reused them.
Are they non conductive to electricity?
@@arrivedknight7632 I don't think many people would buy them if they were.
@@arrivedknight7632 17:39
@@arrivedknight7632 probably no and if they are, dont put them in the circuitry it's not like they will spill.
I've been using Carbonaut pads since my 3600XT. Upgraded to 5700XT and... no problems. I find it runs maybe a degree or two warmer than a really good paste application but... you can go back two years later and the CPU lifts up effortlessly. No twisting, no bent pins, no mess, nothing to clean... I'm surprised you haven't been using this. ThermalGrizzly is the shizz.
Were the Carbonaut pads on sale so many years ago? And i thought it was a brand new product?
For real
I was once took out my AIO to replace the paste, it was so hard I end up pulling the pump together with the CPU 😂
I was so shocked, I thought I just broke my motherboard together with the CPU 😂
@@Fate025I think he meant the previous product. It was like a soft cloth pad. Don't remember the product name. But TG definitely had a really comparable product before.
I used it on my 6700K but it was damaged (user error maybe?) so I could not use it anymore after the platform change to AM4.
Carbonaut is the predecessor Product@@Fate025
Carbonaut vs Kryosheet, @@Fate025
Thanks for sharing this Jay and Team!
I’ve been eyeing these for a new build but really wanted to see someone testing them before I bit that bullet.
No hassle, no mess, no thermo efficiency degradation is definitely a plus for a system I don’t plan to change cpu, mb, coolor on once built.
stay in between the sheets🫵🤣
I'm planning to use these for my watercooling loop. I always hated having to disassemble a loop to repaste the CPU and GPU, so this is great for me.
This video is a prime example about why I watch this channel and not other tech channels. One of Jay's videos helped me many years ago to make a good purchasing decision. I love that this is actual hands on instead of just a show and tell video. Using the thermal paste first and then two tests with the pad afterwards is exactly what viewers need.
Jay is great, but for the love of grud, please do not base purchasing decisions off of 1 person. Do your own research and as Jay says... read the f'n manual! 😂😂😂
@@swampmonkey420 The video was not a specific product. My previous PC died and I was doing research about the difference between AMD and Intel CPUs. Jay had a wonderful way to explain the differences. I knew that Intel usually overprices their products and every CPU change meant a new socket. Jay explained the PCIe lanes situation well. That also happened to be the year when AMD CPUs were finally better than Intel CPUs. Since money was and is a rare object, I had to go sort of low budget. Ended up getting a new first gen Ryzen CPU. Six years down the line, it still proved to be a great choice since it still out performes the Intel CPU that a friend of mine bought a year or two later. The only issue that I ran into recently, was one of the memory channels on the motherboard failing.
Please dont use Grud's name in vain, completely uncalled for...
There's none better than Gamer's Nexus though.
Not linus tech tips?
Womder why.
Lol
On the cost budgeting/value side. I normally buy at least 2 uses worth of thermal paste, because I dont build PCs very often, I need the option to retry if the first application is crappy. The graphine pad can already be reused so I'd be confident buying it once. So that boosts its value too.
In direct-die applications (GPU's and delidded CPU's), even if some of the initial gains compared to fresh LM are negated, the set-and-forget aspect of these pads is an extremely attractive proposition, particularly with copper cooler plates where LM has to be renewed regularly (ETA >> although each application does get more stable than the last as the copper gets 'saturated' with gallium).
Thanks Jay & company, great job showing both the comparison & reapplication. I need to tear down my laptop soon & replace thermals, I only want to do this once on my fragile old friend, hoping this will help, I always feel like I'll mess up on the paste, but the pad looks easy.
Thanks Jay, this was great information, I have been slowly parting out a new computer build and was debating whether to try the thermalgrizzly carbonaut or use the kryonaut. I honestly could not find much information on the graphene pads review wise so this is valuable knowledge you are imparting. Thanks again.
I'm a bit amazed that it isn't used more by tech channels.
It should make benchmarks more consistend because the graphene pad is always the same thickness where coolingpaste can be applied too thin, too thick or is can spread differently.
As an end-user, this seems really useful. Yes, it's more expensive than a 1 gram thermal paste tube but the appeal of "apply once and forget" is definitely there, especially if it's on par with one of, if not the top performing thermal paste on the market.
The conductive part is a little worrisome but as long as there is no contact with any motherboard components or traces, it should be fine.
I do wonder, can we see a GPU video with this pad in the future? Whether it's with the stock air cooler or a watercooling block is up to you of course!
One thing that minimizes the risk of conductivity is covering up the entire CPU except the top of the heat spreader with a contact frame replacing the default locking bracket. Thermal Grizzly also makes these, but their design is too dependent on correct screw torque, Thermalright bracket is cheaper and better in practice. It's meant to prevent the problem of 12/13th gen Intel bending under tightly screwed coolers, but the side benefit of protecting socket from thermal paste spillover was notable enough that they made an AMD version too.
@@Reirainsong Fun random fact. The Thermal Grizzly method of turning by a set amount is actually more accurate than a torque wrench when it comes to ensuring the right amount of force is applied to the fastener. German engineering for perfection vs "good enough".
Been running one of these in my PC for a couple of months now. Actually did provide a slight improvement to temps under load for me (3800XT at the time, compared against Noctua NH-2).
Also happened to have stuck itself to my D15S enough that when i swapped to a 3950X, it lifted away from the 3800XT, stayed on the cooler, and was perfectly positioned for me when I put the cooler back into place.
Highly recommend this for the convenience and performance.
I'm really glad you tested re-usability. That makes a big difference. The only thing better would be to do an actual CPU swap and test.
It would be interesting to see the results on a graphics card replacing the thermal past with the graphene sheets. Great video btw!
I imagine you could you got the right thickness and trimmed it to the right size.
I can only find PTM 7950 which all has 0.2mm thickness.. in vga they got different pad thickness.. should we just sandwich the ptm pad? Or do they have other thickness?
@@agentwafflez5094 im new to liquid metal.. how its good if only 2c difference? Is liquid metal a golden standard here?
@@andikaputra4761 It is, and if it's true that this pad is only 2c hotter than LM , that's really great.
It would be very difficult, the nature of these pads limits their thickness. You’d have to use copper shims etc. They also don’t compress, might be fine for memory modules but the heights of the caps and chokes and mosfets on the power delivery is not as tightly controlled so going with shims and this stuff makes it quite the challenge.
Ive been using one on my gaming build for the last few years. Being able to replace the cpu and not have to deal with any sort of mess was a game changer for me. Currently running a Ryzen 9 5950x and using a Be quiet dark rock pro 4 cooler and it stays very cool and have had no issue with thermal throttling or high temps. I definitely think its worth the price just for the ease of use and being able to re use it if you swap out and upgrade parts.
So I have a NH-D14 and get 85-90 and not sure if that is hot or if I should get a dark rock pro 4. Hopefully you get back to me id love to know if getting 80 or lower runs better. Have a 4090 also bit of a weird build.
@@dylanbeazley6739 That's on the warm side. Do you have your fans in same direction? How you controlling fan speed,letting the board do it,or manually?
That's a good cooler. Shouldn't be hitting that unless you have a Monster Intel Heater on that! Maybe you got the mount a little off when you did it,or not enough paste coverage. Doesn't take much to throw it off. I have the NH-D15 SE-AM4 and it's a BEAST !! I have 1 fan pulling,also makes it quieter,and other over Ram Pushing. (This may not work for most cause of the Height sitting above the Ram,I sit in Open Air so it Doesn't matter on My config)Seams to work best on my Ryzen 1800X.
I also used the Paste to try from Noctua,which does work VERY well,but my go to is Arctic Silver 5 ! You CAN'T go wrong with that !! Used it for years !
It doesn't hurt to check your pattern before you crank down and fire-up!
Just tidy-up the goo with a card,i personally use a toothpick and evenly spread it ALL over the CPU ! That way I KNOW it HAS FULL coverage across the whole die and not too much. I know someone is going to Grind on me for that ! POO ! It works for me ! I know LINUS would CRINGE at seeing that !
Hope that helps with your Temps ! 😎
Appreciate it mate I read the whole comment even though I worked it out haha. Had the cooler for 10plus years and the middle fan was much slower than the outer one I noticed a few days after my comment. Got a phantom spirit and now it's perfect :D Thanks again mate. @@phyde1885
I use this thing for a while and I love it. I tend to use CPUs long and try to get them through as many GPUs as possible so no dry out is helping. You have to note, that you can't use the pads multiple time. The graphene gets bent to fit the IHS and cooler, which is permanent.
What I know of it is the way the graphite molecules line up will either make it a conductor or an insulator. So having it line up vertically will cause the heat to transmit easily from one surface to the other.
Free idea. I would like to see if there's a performance difference between the KPX and the graphene sheets at liquid nitrogen temperatures. Also thermal paste will eventually freeze up but the graphene sheet could keep going. Maybe Jay will get back on the leaderboard?
Just before I built my current system I had to dismantle and refresh the thermal paste on my older system due to age. I saw these and decided to use it on my new system. My concern was if it would work comparably to the thermal paste that I was using. So I watched it very closely for the first month. It has worked perfectly for me and I am quite happy with it.
For my purposes I do not mind the extra cost for this convenience and cleanliness. I do agree that depending on your reason for the build/rebuild it may not be as cost effective as thermal paste. But for me it is worth it.
Graphene pads work as well, within "no discernable difference" from a decent high quality paste, it is reusable, but more expensive. If you don't reuse it, you wasted money. If you spent 20 minutes cleaning paste residue, then it kinda depends on what that time stopped you from doing, so for "professionals" testing CPUs, just that alone would be much of the extra money, even if not reused. But as an end user, it's benefit is mostly reusing it. That means the old CPU/socket needs to go to someone who either gets a paste solution (for example, a hand-me-down) or you sold it without on, for example, eBay, because otherwise this pad goes with the CPU, so it is not going to be reused.
You know I never gave these an in-depth look before, but this is definitely an eye opener, I do like the appeal that you can reuse it.
A couple of months ago I bought a Thermal Grizzly Wireview and the quality is amazing. I'd definitely try out this cooling pad if/when I need to change my thermal paste in the future.
This is game changing! I am so totally gonna use these from now on. Dealing with the thermal paste is literally the single, most annoying aspect of PC building. I wish I knew about this earlier this year when I built my new PC. Also, I bought a Thermalright Intel CPU bracket few months ago for this PC and been delaying the installation precisely because I dread dealing with the thermal paste. It's the time to say goodbye to that silver goop. Thank you Jay!
Edit: Ordered one, should be here in couple of days :)
Edit 2024-03-12: It works but, unfortunately, it's extremely brittle an falls apart easily when removed so it's not really reusable as I was hoping. But the temps are pretty much the same as with Arctic Silver paste and without all the mess.
Heh, for me nothing about working inside the case is anywhere near as annoying as having to deal with all the goddamn cables I have... Actually unplugging the computer enough to move it somewhere where I can work on it, and then having to plug it back in, is by far the worst part of any upgrade operation... =)
I think you're a clinical insane if the paste is the single most annoying thing about building a PC
don`t be rude to random joes that dread even unscrewing anything close to the cpu, sincerely, a random joe who gets anxiety even thinking about it@@danijelb.3384
@@danijelb.3384Count me as insane, then. It is definitely the most annoying (along with hard drive backups). Anything that needs maintenance lest it fail unpredictably is annoying imo
it's not game changing, it's a scam, if someone is saying something different, he is paid by thermal grizzly, I already tested it
Bro, I was literally looking at these yesterday before buying the goop. Perfect timing.
I remember asking about this months ago, thanks for covering this Jay & team!
I used a kryosheet on my 7900xt and couldn't be happier. Hotspot Temps rarely, if ever, go over 80°c now. Before that, I had constant pump-out issues with paste. Totally worth it, highly recommend!
I really love the video, but I think this content would greatly benefit from you providing graphs for the data as well so that we can better visualize the relationship between the thermals and the voltage
Buy your own stuff and test it
@@MurdahBassRecords Don't get defensive, I've been subscribed to Jay for over almost a decade now. I was watching him when he used to do COD Commentary back in the ancient times.
Constructive criticism is not an attack on the content creator, and is part of a having a healthy community.
I expressed how and why the graphs would be beneficial to the audience without say anything to put down Jay's ability as a content creator and a Tech enthusiast.
I trust his results, I'm simply saying that graphs would provide a nice visual so the audience can better understand the real-time relationship between the temperatures and voltages between the two products he tested.
Edit: You got some nice freestyle man, why don't you put more energy into that instead of trying to white knight for a TH-camr that doesn't know you exist?
Whats the point of this video then? It was a good suggestion@@MurdahBassRecords
@99mage99 im not reading your autobiography not sure why u wasted your time. . If u want certain content. Create it. Test things yourself. All i said. Simple. Take the advice. Or Dont. Idgaf.
@@MurdahBassRecords "you" not "u"
English>eng
I've used these, as well as the IC graphite pads, for a while for cooling. In my experience they are indeed very sensitive to pressure. I don't a have a proper "high performance" test or comparison but the performance was good at that end and quite poor at the low end. Also I found that they are very fragile. They easily tear so you need to be very carefull taking them off especially when you have pieces overhanging. Also at the cooler side, for example the intel stock coolers (especially the older ones with a cylindrical copper slug) were very damaging to them. The kryosheets were more fragile than the IC pads by the way, the IC pad I still have is still kinda square while the kryosheet has more of a Texas shape now
Hey Jay, thanks for showing ambient temp now! I think it's a great addition.
great news. I've never heard of these but am whilling to try it out! Thank you J!
Imagine a thin sheet like what they have, but because the orientation of the molecules, it only transfers heat from the thin side to the other thin side. So they squish a bunch of them together then cut more sheets the opposite way. Think Damascus steel where they change the orientation for a different pattern. This is why they are so expensive for the size you get.
This steel technology originated from India not Damascus it's racist to use this term.
@@notinterested8452 Don't care.
@@tumultoustortellini exactly why I'm ordering you.
@@notinterested8452 nerd emoji
@@notinterested8452so what do you call it so one knows what you are talking about?
I have to give a vote for the longevity. This would be great for servers, embedded systems, and also for your friends and family builds because it should just work. Someone mentioned a test bench sure that would be handy as well. So I see this as great for anyone who values reliability over absolute performance. So now you need to try it with LN? It can't freeze so it may be great for extreme cooling
I'll definitely be interesting to see how this holds up 3-5 years out.
@@me0262 it's just carbon, it literally cannot get worse unless somehow it gets torn
Can confirm. I've got several IC Graphite brand graphene pads on numerous different systems that I've been running for 5+ years without any issues. I've swapped coolers on a few of them, had a mobo failure on one and swapped it out used the same pad, cooler, and CPU, no problems at all. Heck the system I'm using right now to write this has an old 3950x with a graphene pad and a Noctua nh-u12s (to fit in the rack beside my desk) and have had no problems with longevity or temps. Did my own tests years ago and found them to be on par (within margin of error) of most thermal pastes I was using at the time.
The best part really is when something happens and you have to remove it you're not stuck trying to pry the cooler off the CPU without damaging anything, no mess- no fuss. I am honestly surprised to see you so late to join the party on this one. A number of other channels also came to similar conclusions years ago when they came out. There are plenty of stories of people reusing the same pad 30+ times on test benches.
Awesome product, the ease with which it applies is easily worth it for me.
For overlockers and benchmarkers this is perfect aswell, quickly swap processors and no difference in thermopaste application.
Graphene is amazing. It can even be used to repair a severed spinal cord.
Also used in tennis racquets! The possibilities are limitless! XD
Graphene is also in that "mystery shot" the sheep took the last 3 years.
@@maxisoulcaliber8941 Take your meds bud
@@maxisoulcaliber8941who cares, as he mentioned it works for repairing spinal cords, it’s perfectly safe in most cases so long as there’s not graphene powder involved. Hell I have titanium in my body, but I’m not exploding
Graphine aluminum alloy would revolutionize material application. Full aluminum cars etc.
I used one of these on my first totally new build in 8 years. With the Kryosheet my old NH-U12A performs several degrees better even taking into account the great efficiency of the 7800X3D. It did cost about the same as 3 small paste tubes but I reckon it's worth it.
@@lurch789 You are wrong. The best paste, newly applied will be better, but it doesn't take much of a drop in quality of paste to get lower than a graphene pad. And not much in the way of drying out for a high quality paste to be worse than a graphene pad. The best use case for paste is high quality paste often reapplied, but that is also the best use case for graphene pads.
In general, there is no difference between a good paste and these pads of graphene. If you hardly ever use them, it is 20 dollars you didn't need to spend, because for 2-3 years you might not need another 5$ tube, but "on average" over that time, the pad would have been better, just nowhere near where you should care about it.
The major use of it is if you test CPUs. You get a lot of cost with a new coat of grease, and the hourly cost to remove the paste enough to fit some more paste is vast, compared to the cost of the paste. But if you use a pad, then you get a pair of tweezers and just remove then replace the CPU and put the pad back, and you should get the same cooling in either case. Test 20 CPUs and 1 pad is needed, and no cleaning time. You may need to replace after scores of changes, mind, it is only graphene after all.
About the only case it might not work for is LN2 cooling, but you don't use paste either.
@@markhackett2302 How long does it take for a good paste to start degrading and increasing the cpu temperature by a few degrees? I might go for the pad for my 5800X3D, I would hate to replace paste every once in a while.
@@markhackett2302these are one time use due to the direction of the carbon bonding.
Looked into this years ago. It would be good for a long term laptop but I’d highly advise against reusing for obvious reasons
I've been using these pads for 3 years, the same 2 for my machines removing coolers and changing coolers the whole time. Super reusable but I'm now seeing some pulling apart on one. Well worth the money and convenience for me!
I have a similar product that I bought a couple of years ago from Innovation Cooling. It's marked as a graphite thermal pad. I'm putting together a new PC, so I might give this a try and see how things work out.
The PTM7950 isn't like this pad, and if you tried to remove an applied one, it will tear. However, the nature of it being phase-change means if you chill it, you should be able to pick it up, and then heat it to reform it into a single flat sheet again.
Sounds ridiculous, but if you say so....
- puts device into the freezer -
Yeah I already removed and reapplied the PTM-7950 on my GPU several times now, zero temp changes.
@@Jadebones I would maybe do something like use a Peltier cooler from like a phone cooler, or even flat icepack. Just to avoid any possible moisture build up elsewhere on the board.
But you could just carefully scrape or peel it off, when the device is off and left to cool down as much as possible - maybe leave it in the garage if the temperature is very cold. Just need to make sure the pad is as cold as possible to make it easier to remove.
Once you get it all off, you can just put it into a mold or something, heat it with a hairdryer, and then press it flat, and it will become one sheet again. It’s a bit like super fragile molding clay.
@@Anti3D-0isn't it gpu got a different thickness on their cooling pad? How did u make ptm 7950 cover the gap? Sandwich it?
PTM is used to replace the thermal paste, not thermal pads@@andikaputra4761
We used these as well for our submerged server solutions, since I really despise heat I usually go for low TDP CPUs, so while I never bothered with them for my own computers, I guess I have the spare headroom to run it, especially since I tend to clean/upgrade my PC yearly or bi-yearly.
I've been using them on a 12600k and a 5800x3d build. Both are working amazing and basically matched the paste it had before.
I would really like to see how cleanly the graphene sheets can be cut. Given that the material is conductive, do you have to worry about a "frayed" edge that might drop conductive dust into your system? I would also like to see how fragile the sheets are. Would the average PC builder need to be extra gentle with the graphene sheet to avoid destroying it or can the sheet withstand a bit of bending?
I haven't checked to confirm, but another commenter said there's a non-conductive variant, so that would be the way to go for 99% of us.
Great video, but like a few people mentioned, it would be great if we could see graphs in comparison to Noctua's paste, Arctic Silver paste, Cryonaut's non-graphene pad, and this graphene pad. Visuals help us just as much as your tests and we can reference them when we're at Microcenter.
@@lurch789 To be fair, it's kind of hard to really mess up a thermal paste application. Tests have shown that different methods yield roughly the same results.
Still, I'm going with thermal paste for my new build. I'm a creature of habit and, although it may be less convenient, I find myself wanting to apply the paste. Also, a 4g tube of MX-4 costs less than half of what a pad costs, although the value is obviously there if you plan to use the pad for many years/builds.
You have made a ton of great videos, but this is one of my favorites. I once bought some solvent to clean up messy thermal paste. My outdoor trashcan that I threw the solvent away in after cleaning a CPU smelled horrible for months (the waste was on a coffee filter that was inside of two plastic bags and yet my garbage can still got contaminated by the smell). Not having to clean thermal paste again really appeals to me.
Honestly, best use case for this is something that you need to last a long time and run hot. You know it won't degrade over time which is a big benefit. Maybe for like mining machines or just a gaming PC that you plan on using for 5+ years. Great video.
The 33 x 33 for AM5 has been working great for my 7600X. Also got a 29 x 25 for my 6950 XT and cut the excess off. Both are running great/better than they were on a less than 2 week old application of MX6 paste. If your cooler or application process is less than ideal then this can take up some slack.
What's the temp difference compared to mx6?
@mangatom192 I second this question, as I've never seen a video where a pad beat MX6.
And I'm running a 6950XT, and searched a lot.
I find it amusing how ppl say x is better than y but no information about Z as to what temp values
No way in hell it beats mx6, I wouldn’t doubt it being somewhat close but without proof not believing it, mx6 is very good paste and hangs with the expensive stuff pretty closely
@@mangatom192PBO -30 / + 200 mhz OC 7600X with a Phantom Spirit air cooler and MX6 was hitting 78° C in Cinebench R23. On the pad it hasn’t exceeded 75° C on a 10 minute loop.
What's wild about the Kryosheets is they've been out for a while, GN has mentioned them many times, but I hardly see anyone talk about or test them
Testers usually frequently exchange stuff in their setup or upgrade frequently on their home pc. That is why long term results are rare
I'm using this on my ryzen 7 5800x3D and temps are great! I love the cleanliness of going this route making disassembly in the future much easier.
This is dope, thanks for sharing
The benefit to a graphene sheet is not the mess but the longevity. The sheet will perform the same on day 1k as it did on day 1, thermal paste dries out or gets pumped out and loses performance over time. For the average user the mess isn't a problem, it's apply once and that's that. At most they may reapply paste 1 time.
Well thats great to know. Granting this graphene is not the great kind of one we hear about to get the massive thermal conductivity they must be made carefully and pure if they are to have those massive thermal conductivity performances
@@andrewreynolds912 Your reply is confusing to me, the graphene sheets from Thermal Grizzly are the best on the market for thermal conductivity.
@@JETWTF my friend I study graphene and I had to understand why their not perfect from every manufacturer I can tell you yes the ones from thermal grizzly are good but what im saying is if the graphene was pure and much better quality manufactured it would of been a much higher thermal conductivity performances it could reach hundreds to thousands of times better than the best thermal pastes!
@@andrewreynolds912so what would be stopping a company from incorporating that high quality graphene into a sheet for CPU cooling? is it that much more expensive? harder to make?
@@Crunkmaster it's more expensive and harder to make it makes it much more complicated if you did it pure graphene because the more pure, the more less you're gonna have bad alinements with the atoms on a nano scale tho I suggest you still do research oh how it affects it and why less and more cruder graphene is worse than purer
My daughter tried to install her own CPU upgrade... The socket ended up needing a rather expensive professional repair job (I just didn't have the tools for it, although I tried). This stuff sounds like a godsend. Definitely using it when I do another build in the future.
it is mechanical engineering materials for this type of applications
Those things look awesome for testing.. no way you can mess up the application. I probably don't need to run out and stock up on them, I build systems that stay put together for 10 years or more, and they are pricey, but there most definitely is a pretty good sized market for these graphene pads! Great Jay, awesome bro!!
These work really well especially if your testing a lot of products and have to install and uninstall and reinstall the cpu constantly. I have ran some tests and they do hold decent temps.
Considering the room he's in is much colder than mine and his system was an open test bench whereas mine is a closed system inside a case, I'm pleased to see that our temps are quite similar under heavy load and my CPU is a 7950X3D with thermal grizzly kryonaut paste applied. That means if my system was completely opened up and my room chilled down to 19 C then my temps would be better than his Intel under the same conditions, not bad.
I got 0 improvement on my 13700K compared to Arctic MX6.
But it did not get worse, and now I don't have to do any maintenance.
So it's a win.
My previous build is having the cooler mounted on liquid metal (with delid too) for 8 years now, and did not move one inch.
That's pretty much all you should expect. No, or little worse, but a lot cleaner, yet a lot more expensive. Is not having to reapply or do a cleanup worth 20 dollars? Then it is "fine".
Good job Jay. Answered all my questions. Thanks.
Great video. Definitely gonna be using one on my next build
Swapped out paste on my 7900 XTX for the Kryosheet (25x25). A few degrees cooler on the delta at the same 464W, and keeps the delta in the 30's when pushing 550W with the AsRock BIOS I flashed on my Merc 310. Keeps it cooler than stock, but the big win comes with no more paste pump out! lol Thinking about getting one for my 5800X3D, but it stays pretty cool as it is. After the 2nd failed mount, with the pad moving, I decided the third time around to use a 4 tiny tiny dots of thermal past at the very edge at the corners of the pad, which kept it in place while mounting. Doesn't seem to affect the performance, as it's still cooling better than the stock paste.
just curious how is the ASRock ARGB software? Is it still trash as I've heard or is it...usable now?
bruh what do you mean 464w 550w? like whats thosr symbol even mean?
Well@@lurch789, seeing as the stock hotspot delta was only 21C at 464W, and I only gained a couple of degrees over stock paste with the Kryosheet. Doesn't seem like it was too mediocre. I have some NT-H1 and MX-4, but with the pump out on this card I didn't really feel like taking that card apart again in a few months to repaste, so don't care which one is really best, but the people on the Merc 310 forums have done most of that testing for me.
I just want consistency, which the kryosheet will provide, while performing better than most paste.
@@whitygoose that power use on his GPU and he use custom firmware so you can pull even more power
I'm using the IC Diamond Graphite pad. Have reused it now 5 times, and still solid performance. They are cheaper than the Kryosheet, too. I would not want to go back to thermal paste just to gain maybe 1-3 degrees C in temperature. These pads are so convenient. Also, no tear so far on this pad. Best purchase I ever made. (oh and the cooler is a massive NH-D15, so lots of weight and pressure). Current CPU is a 5800X, but I had this for my previous chip which was a 3600X. And I will reuse this again (hopefully if it fits) on a 7800X3D.
Would you say that it's better than metal liquid thermal paste
@@jsadecki1 Probably not, but they are very, very convenient. For instance, I just did a swap of motherboard, CPU and RAM in my system. All I had to do was remove my cooler, remove the pad, replace the components, put the pad back on the new CPU (after cutting it down to size for this one), and adding the cooler. That's it. Nothing needed to be cleaned. The surface was still completely shiny clean on the cooler. I am pretty sure that the liquid metal thermal paste performs better by a few degrees (there are YT videos comparing the two), but I personally just never had any thermal issues. I do not overclock my CPUs (they kinda do that on their own those Ryzen CPUs), and I never ran into a thermal throttling situation. This pad has now survived several upgrades.
@bellotriggerfish I'm 2 seconds away from getting one do you think I should I'm currently idling at 29 degrees on computer startup on liquid metal
@@bellotriggerfish also thank you for the quick response
@@bellotriggerfishwell for some reason when I read your comment and never showed the extended version of the comment when I was reading it and my email thank you very much I'm pretty sure I'm going to move to one of these only problem as my liquid metal has eaten away at my cooler at least the last one and I've just bought on you cooler to replace the exact same one with the exact same liquid metal so I'm wondering as my eating away copper contact will mean that this pad won't work what do you think
Just wanted to look at the tests, thanks mate.
I've been using these for almost 2 years now on 3 laptops, and 2 desktop Intel CPU's and they work awesome. They are multi use, but they do get a bit more brittle over time so I use tweezers to be as gentle as possible when removing and re-applying on a new CPU. Well worth the money IMO.
I haven't seen un update on thermal pads for a few years, curious to see how they perform these days
They don't out perform good paste and application.
@@SymbolicLogic24while true, for the cost and the quality of life improvement it brings over paste, far outweaigh the loss of efficiency for many builds, especialy for the pc's of ppl who close to never do maintenance on their pc, so the market is massive, due to how many dont know/care about their tech
@@magnusls this is nonsense, its wild to me that you havnt been paid to state what you just said...
@@skupire6547 Yea, sure man, the 2° or so that you give up are SO not worth the significant quality of life upgrade this offers, no way, totally wild...
@@skupire6547 Its true though. My friend never cleans or messes with his pc. i literally go over there sometimes and just start cleaning it without him asking because he has flat out told me that hed rather just wait for the pc to start slowing down to mess with it. so something like this would make better for him because he would maintenance it more often
Easy fix for putting it on vertical mounts is to use a small drop of thermal paste to hold it in place
which would make conductivity much worse
yeah but then u lose the longevity because the thermal paste wil create a thin layer of worse conductivity when it dries out
every interface between materials is a barrier to conduction, @@chris_3729, thats why thermal paste is supposed to only fill the bits where the metal doesnt touch
I bought one and i already used it for two am4 mounts, trimmed it down a bit for am5 then mounted it on two CPU’s again. There’s one direction in which folding it makes it instantly crumble but treat it like it’s made of gold and I can see re-using this for a very long time.
needed these when i was upgrading my old lady's cpu cooler to an AIO, cpu got pulled out with the stock cooler and it bent 4 pins. luckily got them straightened out and everything works fine now
I am SO pissed off that I didn't know about this two days ago .. when I finished my first build in TWELVE YEARS.
I use them on my consoles and lower end laptops.
Edit: I actually have never used these sheets I use the carbonaut sheets. I would love to see testing comparison between the two preferably by GN.
How's contact pressure though? The consoles don't overheat?
@@SkateClipsAndTips I've never had an issue and I'll never have to take it off again. I haven't tried it on the latest generation but I imagine it would work on the Xbox series x. I know it won't work on the PS5
Sounds tempting for my Asus TUF A16. Cpu of course, not gpu.
@@dobermanownerforlife3902 I put them on both but in a laptop I probably wouldn't do it on anything higher than a 60ti series.
@@MageLeaderInc 7600S
I've had a few over the past few years. Love them. Use them for test bench clean and easy to change cpu no mess. Love em. No heat issues with what I use them for
I think they were designed mostly with people who have to install and uninstall CPUs/Coolers a lot, such as reviewers, but also, tech/computer repair places when trying to diagnose CPU/Mobo issues when taking a CPU and putting it in a Known Good board to rule out it being the CPU, or just the Socket on the motherboard.
Hey Jay, I know you're smarter than me but having experience with this substance, it is very beneficial to trim it down as it will cool better. If its hanging over, it will not put all the heat it draws out of the CPU into the cooler. I know that sounds strange, but that stuff works soooooo well, that its very picky about how it performs. Plus it can tear off and drop down and touch something electrical, and then shorts start happening.
Fun fact, my kids like to take a piece of it and let it take the heat out of their fingers and cut through an ice cube with it. Come-on their kids.
Fun Fact 2: If you cool a GPU with this stuff, only do it with water cooling as an air cooler will actually heat up the GPU, why? because it works sooooo good, that it will take the heat from the memory on the card and some of the heat will flow into the GPU instead of the cooler, but a water block will work fine and give you about 10-12C cooler. Enjoy!!!
Most graphite pads would be aligned with the graphene layers 'stacked' like a box of paper. This would be great at spreading heat side-to-side, but mediocre at transferring heat in the Z-direction. These are apparently unique in that they're aligned edge-on, which makes them even more fragile but should make the heat transfer _through_ the sheet (into the cooler) much quicker. However, this would give them a 'grain', with one direction 'across' the sheet fast-transfering and the other slower. I wonder if that means there's an optimal rotation for certain CPUs (I'm especially thinking of the higher-end X3D AMD CPUs, with one high-clocked and one 3D cache stacked (more heat-sensitive, lower-clocked) set of cores. Would you want to arrange them so that heat transfer BETWEEN the chiplets is slower than heat transfer ACROSS and 'UP'?
cool thought
I wonder if it is "zillion" of small strips rotated 90 degree and put back as one sheet?
I think that's what it's supposed to be, yes. @@alexbold4611
This question sounds really smart (I’m still a n00b when it comes to building lol) but I’m interested if you get a reply :)
I feel like i saw you talking about those pads about 3-5 years ago when i was building my first pc which your videos helped with
Ive been using Thermal Grizzly Carbanaut Thermal Pads for quite awhile now and its been a breathe of fresh air when it comes time to upgrade a CPU or AIO. Highly recommend!
It would be interesting to see how it will be long term. If they do melt with prolong high use or if it just stays like it does in the video. Definitely a great product to mitigate the paste change for those who don't know how, or don't want to.
Graphene has a melting point above 3600° C, so that probably isn't a risk. If your CPU is that hot you don't have a CPU anymore and haven't for a long time :P
20 minute gang.
These graphene pads are actually pretty cool. Works well enough with the 3600 (non x) and box cooler.
Edit:
If anyone is wondering why I would do that, it's because the system went to my son (old enough to live/work on his own) and I know for certain the computer will receive minimum maintenance. My personal belief is that these pads will maintain their integrity over a long period of time. Thereby mitigating some of the risks cause by pastes that degrade and cause thermal issues.
have had this installed on my pc for 2 yrs ..still going strong
Aside from the reapplication of the pad you also have to account for how many times you'd reapply paste for those that do maintenance. It is really cool to see these pads keeping up! (pun intended)
The excuse of thermal paste being messy is because of over application. As you said the surface of the cpu lid and cooler block have "microscopic irregularities" You only need to apply a thin layer of paste. Obviously having metal to metal is ideal heat transfer. I know the debates of how much to put on has been covered. Any build up of unnecessary paste is a heat block, especially if its squished out the sides and gathers into the nooks. That is not an acceptable. every surface counts. I like the thin sheets, that's how thin the paste should be.
Or you could lap your CPU and cooler
Your passion for the tech world really shines through in this video. I appreciate the attention to details and the insights that often go unnoticed. I hope to convey the same passion in my videos
I have been using this on my Gen 6 i7 for quite a few years at a 7% overclock. I don’t remember the brand that I used when I built this setup but I have reseated a couple times with no issues.
Hey Jay it would be awesome to see more paste alternatives
Test it with no paste or pad so we have a base comparison.
Put your hand on the stove to see if you get burnt
Bruh video is only 30min old and already three bots in the comment section.
TH-cam in a nutshell. Remember people, always report these annoying pests!
Informative video Jay, been waiting to see a video about these from other channels.
Only downside i see is that these graphene pads are Veeery fragile, so this won't be suitable for everyone...
Thinking back on the 12V cables melting and how it was Partially user error.
Just saying that not everyone is carefull when it comes to hardware in general, which is kind of an understatement.
That said, graphene in general is pretty much the future in how durable and versatile it is.
Carbon nano tubes is in the same category but is also hard to manufactor.
If more people did they'd be dealt with quicker, but we're conditioned to be passive
@@_BangDroid_ Conditioned by tubey doing nothing (because they benefit financially from bots).
Thinking about switching to this when I go full custom loop. Both are inspired by watching you guys!
Thanks for the though, I just bought a sheet for my AM5 Ryzen 7 7700X along with a Thermalright AM5 CPU Contact Frame, to go onto my Asrock Livewire Mobo to be cooled with a 360mm AIO, And you talk about those crevices in the mating surfaces, I've heard of some Serious Gamer's "lapping the surfaces" to get a better lay of the thermal paste.
Used one of these graphene sheets for a while now as the interface between my AM4 CPU and water block. Because its a cpu/motherboard full cover block it was a high risk of pulling the CPU out of the socket if the block was removed using TIM paste.
I run these on my asrock 7900xtx aqua, due to the hotspot problems that card has. They have worked fantastic and can handle the heat with the card pulling close to 700 watts overclocked. 3120mhz core.
My 12900K is a furnace. My idle is 35c at idle with a 360 AIO. It jumped to 100 as soon as I start cinebench until I undervolted it by -125. I see it peeking in the low 80's now. I'm ordering one of these now.
Happy to see that you have a video on testing these pads, i have a bad habbit of watching one or two youtubers that does pc testing.
But im still on the fence if i should use Kryonaut or Carbonaut on my new pc build.
Got a little spooked knowing that Carbonaut is conductiv O.O
i've been using the carbonaut flaps for about 2 years now, they're slightly thicker and worse performance wise but they can take multiple applications, these from what I understand are intended to be used once, from what I saw in roman's video they are quite fragile (compared to the carbonaut flap at least) so might be worth it if your rig's gone stay together for a couple years but if you frequently swap CPU or cooler the carbonaut might be better for that (yea 1-3 degree's worse but not 1 maybe 2 use).
Been using those for over a year now and they are great. Amazing what happens when you read specifications...
Coincidentally I started using Carbonaut the same week Kyrosheet was released and so far I'm very happy with it. Much easier than paste to deal with. I would love to see a comparison between the two. My uninformed understanding is that Kyrosheet is has better thermal conductivity but is slightly less durable than Carbonnaut due to differences in molecular structure reasons as a result of their slightly different manufacturing process. Would love to learn more.
Yes, same situation here. I would also like to see a direct comparison
Built my first pc buid this year and used this as it seemed to make more sense than dealing with the mess
I have been using the graphine grizzly pads for every PC I have built. I built my 1st PC in 2019 after watching Jay's and Paul's build videos. They literally taught me how but I never use paste. GN reviewed graphine and I was sold.